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How do most Japanese view WW2 today?

Okay, I myself am actually a Korean, and I want to tell you the reason for the WW2 things.
WW2 isn't ancient history. It's only been 70 years since the war.
1) Korea is really just...frustrated.
※True. Korea is a small country but it had defeated millions of men back in the old days, and it would have been shame to be defeated by Japan. (I shouldn't continue. It's gonna get silly if I keep on going.)
2) It's a painful history.
※Even 1st Graders in Korea are taught about the war. And they teach that Dokdo is Korean. (I actually tested you guys out in the forum thing. :p And I faked as a Japanese in a Korean blog and believe me, the response wasn't pretty. But I am a Korean, it's true.)
3) Korean people fear WW2 events being repeated.
※I wouldn't want that to happen. But guns are history. If there is another war, the species homo-sapiens is toast. NUKES!!!! :O
4) Liancourt rock dispute.
※I'd rather rant about communism.
That's for me, guys. PEACE OFF!

Japan did not concern Korea was defeated because we did not fight..
anf Japan never thought Japan won. Just wanted korea to reform..
Russia was aiming at Korea clearlyat that time.
that was why Japan made Korea an independent country by shimonoseki treaty


Korean Courtiers Observation Mission's Views on Meiji Japan and Projects of Modern State Building

Huh Donghyun (Kyunghee University)

1. Foreword:

So far as the Korean Courtiers Observation Mission thought to reflect their Japanese experiences in Korea, its trip to Japan can be considered an epoch-making event in the history of Korean modernization. The Mission - 12 middle-ranked officials, 27 attendants (students included), 12 translators (among them 2 Japanese), and 13 lackeys, 64 persons in total - stayed in Japan for 4 month in 1881, making a detailed observation of its modern structures. That was the first serious attempt to introduce Western institutions, using Japan as a model, in Korean history.
The tasks of the Mission members included, for example, detailed reporting on such special things as training of Japanese infantry or work of Japanese customs.
Asa result, the Mission members produced more than 80 books of reports, which concentrated what they learned on Meiji industry, politics, economy, society, culture, and education. As the delegation of specialists who could systematically understand and appreciate Japanese modernization, the Mission can be rightfully compared with Japan's Iwakura Embassy (1871). Iwakura Embassy's scribe, Kumi Kunitake (1839∼1931), published his <Account of Travel to America and Europe> (<Beio kairan jikki>) in 5 volumes in 1876, thus making the Embassy travel an important occasion in the story of introducing Western modernity by Japanese government and populace[1]. As the reports made by the members of Korean Mission were not published, they certainly were not as influential as Kumi's <Account...>. However, their reports, with all these detailed accounts about thing Western they contained, were devoured by the "progressives" interested in introducing Western ideas and institutions, and were important for breaking down traditional pejorative views of West and Westernized Japan, held by Confucian conservatives. So, the reports were the primary materials used by Korean authorities in their quest for "self-strengthening" and "opening" in the 1880s, when they needed to assess Japan's posture on Westernization.
The aim of the present paper is to understand what were the characteristics of the modernity the members of the Mission encountered in Japan, and how their experiences were reflected in the process of Korea's own reforms. So, the first subject of analysis in the present paper is what were the differences between Meiji's symbol of modernity, "kokumin kokka", and its models, the nation-states of Europe. Then, the present author will attempt to show how various images of modernity encountered by the Mission's members in Japan, influenced their worldviews and thinking patterns. In the end, the present author will try to find the reasons of Korea's failure to build modern state independently in the differences of modern experiences of Korean Mission and Iwakura Embassy.

2. The Symbol of Modern Japan - Japanese-styled Nation-State ("kokumin kokka"):
Japan the members of Korean Mission could look at in 1881, was enthusiastically immersed in "bunmei kaika" ("civilization and progress") - implanting the structures that emerged in Europe after French Revolution. For example, infantry was built on French model, Navy - on British, education - on American, Imperial House - on British, and Constitution - on German, all these models being re-fashioned in accordance with Japan's circumstances. The dictionary definition of "bunmei kaika" is "the atmosphere of Westernization in Early Meiji Period"[2]. But Japanese modernity symbolized by "bunmei kaika" was not simply implanting of Western institutions: it was also a restoration of Japan's own ancient Imperial system. It was characterized by a kind of "symbiosis" between Western modernity and Japanese antiquity. In a way, it was an "antithesis" to Western modernity in many aspects, Western texts being misread and misunderstood, Japan's "West" being based on misinterpretations[3]. In any case, by 1881 when the Mission came to Japan, the archetypes of Japanese modernity were more or less complete, Japanese "kokumin kokka" being their symbol.
The modernity Meiji Japanese struggled to build was visualized in the form of "kokumin kokka" - Japanese form of nation-state. Nation-state, a product of European modernity, was designed as a mechanism of "human liberation" by French revolutionaries, and was an aim to quest about and to implement for Meiji Japanese. For the Koreans of the reform period in late 19th C., it was an aim they failed to accomplish, and it remains an "unfinished project" for South Koreans today[4]. We can summarize latest theories on the character of the nation-states in non-Western regions in the following points[5]:
First, in a nation-state, be it politically republican or monarchical, authoritarian or democratic, the subject of the statehood is the nation. The judgment on whether the given state conforms to the criteria for being a nation-state, is left to the peer states, the degree of "civilization" – read Westernization – being the implied criterion.
Second, for unifying the populace into a "nation", the state needs a range of institutional mechanisms, beginning with the organs of dominance and oppression – army, police, government, parliament, etc. – and ending with print capital, educational system, and such ideological instruments as religion or family values. To have a strong ideology of "national unity" is a prerequisite.
Third, nation-state exists only as a part and parcel of the international network of nation-states. It must secure its own position in the international system of nation-states, and, even while claiming to be "culturally original", has to emulate its foreign peers.
As an "imagined community", the nation-state had to unite its nation/citizens economically (unification of land ownership relationship, transport system, monetary system, and weights and measures), politically (by constitution, parliament, and conscript army), symbolically/intellectually (national population register, national political parties, museums, schools, newspapers), and culturally (national flag, anthem, pledge, literary canon, and history). In a word, be it democratic or not, the nation-state in non-Western regions is primarily an "imagined community", using "nation" as its single unit.

1) The Establishment of State-Unification Mechanisms:

The state-unification mechanisms of Meiji state witnessed by the Korean Mission in 1881 were based on the following pattern. Meiji Restoration centralized the political power in Japan, and it certainly did not mean a bona fide restoration of ancient imperial institutions: using the Emperor as a symbol of state unity, the "clan clique" legitimized the powers it obtained[6]. The administrative mechanisms of the new government were an attempt into Japanization – "re-invention" of sorts – of modern Western institutions, rather than a return to old, T'ang Dynasty-inspired Imperial structures[7]. In 1881 when the Korean Mission came to Japan, the central government in reality monopolized all powers, although on the surface, the formalities of Western division of powers were duly observed[8]. Outside of the government, active "People's rights" movement advocating constitutional government, was enthusiastically campaigning for an elected assembly. Having already established the basis for modern conscript army, Japan of 1881 was actively preparing an independent judiciary system and "modern" Penal Code.
In fact, the Japanese-styled undemocratic nation-unifying institutions the members of Korean Mission could witness, were not sufficient for building a modern pluralist civil society in the conditions of underdeveloped "third estate". As the later historical developments have shown us, undemocratic governmental institutions of early Meiji period were "pregnant" with militaristic potential from the very beginning. But, despite all this, Japan of that time was heading towards constitutional government, had formal division of powers, and – at least, on the surface, - looked as developing politically in the modern direction. Japanese governmental structures were the closest possible model for Korea, which also did not possess a developed "third estate".

2) Capitalism-oriented Unification of Economy:

Japan visited by the Korean Mission already had its space "civilized" enough to encourage free movement of products, as well as people, information, and knowledge. Meiji government was keen to ensure the balanced development of the country by building roads and railroads, introducing modern postal and telegraph systems, and also encouraging the growth of modern sea transportations – in a word, by modernizing and unifying transport and communications. The impression of "modernity" and "comfort" was strongly given by city roads, illuminated by the lamps at nights, full of rickshaws and carriages. This type of "civilization of space" was impressive enough to captivate the Mission members[9].
In Meiji period and after, Japan, under strong governmental guidance, was growing into a modern capitalist power, introducing modern company laws, unifying monetary system, reforming its tax statutes, and beginning the process of primitive accumulation of capital through disposition of samurai pensions and other measures. The first task for Meiji government was to build a central financial institute, as a prerequisite for a centralized state. In 1869, The Ministry of Finances, given rather wide jurisdiction also over internal policy questions, was established, and the Ministry of Industry, established in 1870, started to build governmental industries, with railroads and ship-building in focus, introducing capitals and know-how in telegraph communications, building industry, and shi-building, from Europe[10]. Internally, Japan was laying the foundation of economical unity on its way to modern capitalism, and in foreign policy, it was beginning to flex its muscles in the direction of imperialist colonial aggression, pursuing expansionist policies that included acquisition of Okinawa, aggression against Taiwan, and forcible "opening" of Korea.

3) Cultural Unification Aimed at Creating a "Nation":

Meiji government's "bunmei kaika" strategy meant establishing centralized political regime through implanting European "civilization", and then "civilizing" Japanese people in accordance with Western criteria. To create horizontally equal "nation", Meiji government first abolished hereditary status system, and then established uniform household registration system for the whole populace. In 1872 the regulations on school were promulgated, "modern" schools were an important mechanism for creating uniform "nationals". Also the trade in human beings was abolished and freedom of movement and employment guaranteed. In 1873, old lunar calendar was supplanted with Western solar (Gregorian), thus "synchronizing" Japan's time with that of Europe. At the same time, regulations on newspapers promulgated in 1871, harshly restricted criticism of government in media, making them largely establishment's propagandist tools. Shinto was made into the state religion and used as a tool for unifying the populace, and old customs, like mixed bathing of both sexes, that Europeans perceived as "barbarian" were prohibited in an attempt to make the country look "civilized" by Western standards[11]. So, the members of Korean Mission were to witness all the great changes in customs and mores, which followed the "civilizing" Westernizing policies.


3. Korean Mission's Projects of Statehood:

1) Two Viewpoints on Modernizing Japan:

The depth and breadth of a human's perception of the world depend on his/her education and experiences, and Korean Mission's members were no exception. They understood Japan's new institutions on the base of their previous knowledge, and, to the extent they could approve of the novelties, were going to apply them for reforming Korea. They were judging new Japan on the basis of two different ideological viewpoints.
Such Mission members as Ŏ Yunjung (1848∼1896) and Hong Yŏngsik (1855-1884), were influenced by an earlier "Enlightenment" thinker, Pak Kyusu (1807-1877), and befriended such reformers as Kim Hongjip (1842-1896), Pak Yŏnghyo (1861-1939), and Kim Okkyun (1851-1894), becoming eventually members of the reformist group. Even at the point of their appointment to the Mission they were free enough from the traditional Confucian ideas on insurmountable differences between "barbarism" and (Chinese Confucian) "civilization", and Korea's "honored" status as "little China" to be able to look at Japan objectively. But the rest of the Mission was still judging the world by old Confucian standards.
It can be well seen from an anecdote told to its readers by <Chōya Sinbun> (May 20th, 1881)[12] in an article rendering what happened between the Mission members when they visited Japanese Consulate in Pusan before boarding steamer for Japan:
"When Consul Kondo met the Mission members in Pusan, ch'amūi Sim Sanghak put a hand over his eyes. The Consul asked him whether he had an eye disease and might need doctor's assistance, but at that moment Ŏ Yunjung, a progressive, went ahead and said: 'Sim's eye disease is to be washed away by Japanese air and water'. Sim, a conservative, was angry at the remark and urged Ŏ to explain himself, and Ŏ said: 'Your eyes, gentlemen, are more than healthy, but you are nothing more than blind men with open eyes, for you do not know how to look at the things properly. Now, as we will go to Japan to witness its civilization, and will get a chance to wash away [Confucian conservatism] from the hearts, we will open our eyes in the way that we will not have to worry even if our actual eyesight will become very poor'. A heated discussion followed that remark".
We can find two interesting things from that dialogue. First, we can know that, in Ŏ's eyes, such of his fellow Mission members as Sim Sanghak (1845-?) were just "blind men with open eyes", object of "re-education" in "civilization" in the course of trip to Japan. Second, we fell that Ŏ prided himself on being able "to look at things properly", using novel criteria. It was only natural that the yardstick used for judging Japan, was different in the cases of Ŏ or Hong Yŏngsik, who already had such new frame of reference as "civilization and reforms", on the one hand, and other, more conservative Mission members, on the other hand. Therefore, there were great differences in the width and breadth of their understanding of Meiji nation-state, and their plans for reforming Korea with use of Japanese precedents[13].
For Ŏ or Hong, already liberated from Confucian dogmatism, the observations in Japan were a chance to finalize their own blueprints for Korean reforms[14]. Especially important for them were meetings with such eminent "statist" (kokukenron) thinkers as Fukuzawa Yukichi (1835-1901), and observations over "civilization reforms" implemented by the Meiji government, which convinced them in necessity of centralized state-promoted reforms, in other words, "reforms from above through enlightenment of people"[15]. As the following personal report to Kojong on the occasion of return from Japan shows, they felt positive about Japan's development, and regarded its "rich state, strong army" policies as well-suited for the given situation[16]:

"Kojong: People say that Japan's system is great and policies are strong. And what did you observe?

Hong Yŏngsik: The system there is really well built, but it is composed of many different things. Many different projects are being promoted simultaneously, and the result is chronic financial deficit. I cannot say that their military policies are not strong. But they are promoted by diligent, constant labor, daily and nightly. It was not that difficult to achieve what Japan has achieved, given the scale of the efforts.

Kojong: Is it the same as in the Warring States period in ancient China, when only enrichment and strengthening were sought after?

Ŏ Yunjung: That is really the case. Compared with today's great Warring States period, that in ancient Chinese history was just a small Warring States period. All countries are competing with each other by their intellect. (…). In such situation, only enrichment and strengthening will keep the country safe, and the rulers should unite with the ruled in the self-strengthening efforts."

Ŏ and Hong can be called "advocates of the establishment of Japan-like modern nation-state", for they dreamt of reviving Japanese Meiji experience they witnessed on the spot, at home[17].
But, for the most of the rest of the delegation, 4-odd month of the sojourn in Japan were not enough to change the Confucian beliefs they were educated into from the childhood[18]. They were lamenting the fact that sacrifices to Confucius were discontinued in Japan, and mourned over the decay of Japanese Confucianist tradition[19]. Thus, they could not but use the Confucian yardstick for judging the appearance of "modernizing" Japan, and, quite naturally, were rather critical of it. They acknowledged that, "externally", Japan did strengthened, but criticized its financial deficit, as well as "excessive" Westernization of everyday life. Pak Chŏngyang (1841-1905), on return to Korea, confessed his impressions to Kojong in the following way[20]:

"Kojong: What would you say on Japan's strengths and weaknesses?

Pak Chŏngyang: Judging from Japan's outward appearance, it looks rather rich and strong. It is not that its territory isn't vast, and it isn't that its army isn't strong. Its buildings and machines look outwardly luxurious and well made. But, if you look deeper beyond the surface, there are plenty of weaker points as well. After beginning its intercourses with the West, Japan was just fond of cleverish things without a thought about the deficiency of its finances. Every time a new machine is being installed, enormous debts to other countries are incurred. The profits from usage of those machines hardly can offset the debts if the interests are to be calculated together too. In the meanwhile, the Westerners are poking their noses into everything, making the Japanese feel very constrained. Everything is thus being aped after the West, beginning with the policies and customs above, and ending with clothes and food below.

Kojong: The Japs (waein) like the customs of other countries, and even changed their clothes in accordance with the Western ways. They could not find the golden mean. That is their loss."

Not only Pak was so critical. Cho Junyŏng (1833-1886) lamented that, aside from the land and its populace, nothing traditional can be found in "reformed" Japan, and Kang Munhyŏng (1831-?) commented that to "shamelessly emulate West" meant more losses than gains in the long run[21].
At the same time, many of the Mission members, like Cho Junyŏng, seemingly thought that "their military system, armaments, machines, and agricultural practices, so far as they strengthen the state and enrich the people, are worth taking example from"[22]. In a word, they acknowledged that outwardly Japan had been strengthened, but criticized the Westernization of life and customs, as well as financial debacle. We can say that they advocated selective introduction of the industrial, agricultural, and military technologies needed for guaranteeing state's survival and people's economic well being, so far as basic traditional values were not touched upon. As supporters of importation of these Japanese "modern" systems that did not severely clash with Confucian values, they should much greater flexibility than the Confucian conservatives who advocated "the defense of orthodoxy and expunction of heterodoxy" (wijŏngch'ŏksa). It seems that the elements of Japan's new "modern" institutions witnessed by them, impressed them greatly and led to certain changes in their Confucian values in the long run.
Sim Sanghak and others, whom Ŏ Yunjung characterized as "open-eyed blind men", did not divest themselves of their Confucian mentality, but they could be called advocates of "Eastern morality and Western skills" (tongdosŏgi), for they did agree to the selective introduction of "modern" institutions.

2) "Double-headed Carriage" of Korean Reforms:

a) The Prototype of the State Kapsin Coup Leaders Dreamt of: Discussion on Building a "Nation-State":

For Ŏ Yunjung and other advocates of the establishment of a nation-state, the modern state institutions witnessed in Japan, were an important model. They considered Japanese type of a modern state a viable model for putting into practice in Korea. It is clear when we look at the project of the modernization of statehood, authored by Ŏ Yunjung[23].
Ŏ Yunjung wanted to introduce to Korea the mechanisms for unifying the populace witnessed in Japan. Seemingly, Japanese example in mind, he thought about a future modern Korean state with rather symbolic monarch, an emblem of "people's unity", and real power in the hands of modernizing reformist elite, working through central governmental institutions. He believed that constitutionalism was to be delayed until the moment the people re-made into a modern "nation" through strengthening of state's power and prestige and creating a strong army, would be capable of participating in the government. For making such "reforms from above" a success, building an effective bureaucracy was the key. The way of making bureaucracy into a subject of governance capable of effectively managing resources and leading the populace proposed by Ŏ Yunjung, envisioned discontinuation of traditional Confucian state exams (kwagŏ), more meritocratical system of official promotions, and permission for bureaucrats to engage in commercial activities. He also sought the establishment of "modern" judiciary, as the prerequisite for acquiring truly independent position in the international relationship and developing commerce, and was especially preoccupied with abolishing these cruel "feudal" punishments that became a pretext for concluding unequal treaties. He was also an active advocate of building a modern army.
Then, his vision of economic unification emphasized building of modern transport and communicational infrastructure as a prerequisite for more intensive intellectual, commercial, and human exchanges. After it, modern industry was, just like in Japan, to be built through the state's encouragement and under the state's active protection. As to the ways of financing industrialization, he thought of more centralized financial system and modernization of taxes, and also proposed to concentrate capitals by creating bigger companies in the manner of Japanese zaibatsu, return to Korea its tariff autonomy and actively use money coming from custom duties, and introduce foreign investment. He may be considered the first in Korea to propose centralized foreign borrowing by the government and come up with a plan of state-led economic development.
Lastly, as to the unification of nation and its culture, he found the reason for Korea's delayed progress in the veneration of Confucianism, and considered Western ideology and Christianity a possible ideological alternative useful for substituting Confucianism in the process of the "reforms from above". He also proposed several social reforms aimed into creating modern "nation", including educational reform and abolition of hereditary status system. He thought about sending students to the West and active adoption of new culture directly from there as well.
Such radical proposals were similar to the ideas of such reformers as Kim Okkyun, Hong Yŏngsik, and Pak Yŏnghyo, and indeed formed a prototype of their program proclaimed during the 1884 abortive Kapsin coup. In the letter sent to Fukuzawa Yukichi on December 20, 1881, Ŏ Yunjung characterizes Kim Okkyun, Pak Yŏnghyo, and Sŏ Gwangbŏm as his "intimate friends", and asks to "render assistance" to them during their upcoming trip to Japan[24]. The anecdote telling us that during his visit to Japan Kim Okkyun always carried with him Ŏ Yunjung's travelogue, <Chungdonggi>, and the phrase from Pak Yŏnghyo's memoirs that the 1882 mission to Japan provided an important momentum for the preparations for 1884 aborted coup, all show how strong was Ŏ Yunjung's influence on the radical reformers.

b) The Theory of "Eastern Morality and Western Skills": Great Influence among Confucian Literati:

It is clear that for the rest of the Mission members – reformist-minded Ŏ and Hong excluded – 4 month-long sojourns in Japan was an opportunity to take a fresh look at Korea's future. But it was not enough to come to the negation of deeply inbred Confucian ideas. The result was the theory of compromising "Western Skills" – new things useful for strengthening the state and helping the populace – with "Eastern morality" – traditional culture and governmental institutions. Main points of the vision of statehood based on that theory are[25]:
First, the proponents of that theory were deeply interested in Japanese "restoration" of ancient imperial institutions, centralized government, division of power, and effective administrative and bureaucratic organization, but were negative on the idea of enhancing "people's rights". In reality, the object of their primary interest was Japanese judiciary, police, and army.
Second, having been reared in the traditional virtues of "economizing the resources" and "loving the commoners", they, their high esteem for Meiji Japan's outward efflorescence notwithstanding, were seriously worried by it financial deficiency and the dire straits the poor had been finding themselves in. Unlike Ŏ, they were in favor of only selective adoption of Meiji industrial policies, being specially interested in financially profitable transport and communicational infrastructure, modern mining technologies and equipment, technical education, museums and industrial fairs - and their educational role, as well as promotion of novel agricultural techniques and education.
Third, they were mainly very critical about the changes in Japanese society and customs. Of course, they understood that, for the sake of promoting industry, the changes in traditional hereditary status system and professional hierarchy are inevitable. From the viewpoint of "Confucian utilitarianism" (iyong husaeng), they were positive about newspapers as promoters of public enlightenment, and such institutions as blind and dumb schools, or Western medical facilities. But, in the end, they, with all their positive attitudes towards modern Western technology, could not understand that the driving forces of "bunmei kaiwa" were Western ideas, and that these ideas were exactly the soil, which made the technical civilization blossom. Their "strategy for state's survival" was basically a makeshift plan centered on the introduction of Western technology and arms and not conducive to the establishment of a nation-state, as traditional values remained sacrosanct.
At the same time, the idea of "selectively introducing" things Western soon gained certain popularity among Confucian intelligentsia and provided momentum for the movement of memorializing the court in favor of "civilization". It was re-maid into a state policy by the following declaration of Kojong issued after Imo Soldiers' Mutiny, on August 5, 1882[26]:

"Some of the discussants are worried that the intercourses with the West may lead to being infected with the [Christian] heterodoxy, and this worry reflects a deep concern for our [Confucian] literacy and correct mores. But the intercourses and the ban against [Christian] religion may coexist simultaneously, and the treaties and trade just follow the international law. If the dissemination of the [Christian] heterodoxy in the inland will be prohibited from the very beginning, how can the commoners, reared in the teachings of Confucius and Mencius and imbued with orthodox rituals and etiquette, turn backs on the good and begin following the evil suddenly on one morning? (…) As their religion is evil, it should be kept at distance, just as voluptuous songs or prettied-up women, but, if their technologies are useful, why should they be avoided in such spheres as agriculture, sericulture, medicine, military, ship-building, or transport? We should simultaneously reject their religion and accept their skills. Moreover, as actual discrepancy in strength [between us and them] is already big, how will we defend ourselves from their insults and slights, if not through accepting their skills?"

After 1882 Imo Soldiers' Mutiny, when Chinese policies towards Korea became overtly imperialistic, and the anti-Western mood penetrated even the commoners' society, the program of "Eastern Morality and Western Skills", quite similar to China's own contemporary attempts at "self-strengthening" through "Western affairs" (yangwu), seemingly was the only practical course Korean court could afford itself to take.


4. What the Korean Mission's Experience Lacked: Comparison with Iwakura Mission:

The dispatch of the 1881 Mission to Japan is a momentous event in the history of Korea's reception of Western institutions. It was a chance for the Mission members to feel the necessity of either to build a nation-state in Korea or, at least, accept Western technology and arms, and afterwards their statehood projects influenced Korean society and politics greatly. Mission's trip to Japan was also an important landmark in the history of Korean-Japanese contacts: for the first time, the traditional roles of "exporter" and "importer" of the advanced culture were traded. And it was also the first time Japan was designated as the "development model" Korea had to follow. For the first time in history, as many as 12 high-ranked officials traveled all around Japan, learned manifold aspects of its life first-hand, attempted to utilize their Japanese experiences in Korea's own reforms, and were going to send students to Japan afterwards to learn more in details. If we look at the Mission's achievements inside the framework of Korean history, comparing them with the much less tangible attainments of, for example, 1881 Mission to China (yŏngsŏnsa) or 1883 Mission to the USA and Europe (pobingsa) – both did not leave any meaningful records – they seem truly outstanding.
But, once the object of comparison would be the Missions sent to Europe from Japan in bakumatsu period or Iwakura Mission, sent already after the Meiji restoration, the weaknesses of the 1881 Korean Mission are more visible. Through this kind of comparison, we can understand the limitations of traditional Korea's efforts in introducing Western patterns.
Japan's Westernizing efforts were epitomized by sending abroad both diplomatic missions and students. There were, all in all, 6 diplomatic missions sent by the bakufu to the West before the restoration: in 1860, 80-strong mission went to the USA, in 1862, 38-strong mission toured various European states, etc. Students were sent to the Netherlands and Russia (1862 and 1865 respectively), and the would-be main protagonists of the restoration, Satsuma and Chosu, also sent students to Britain secretly.
Those missions, sent for clarifying Europe's educational, political, and military systems, explored almost all thinkable achievements of Western civilization, beginning with parliamentary politics, armies, state monopolies and social security institutions, and including medicine, hospital management, schools, telegraph, post, building industry, ports, and even bonded warehouses. Especially in the case of 1862 mission, the explorations were highly well organized: the lower ranked mission members daily reported on their observations to their superiors, and the latter compiled detailed reports on each single country observed: Britain, France, Russia, etc[27].
Most outstanding seemed to be the activity of one of the mission members named Fukuzawa Yukichi. He was struck with admiration when he and his fellow mission members took a train for the first time, and recorded in his diary even the size of the train, its speed, size of the rails, etc. He was also interested in the railroad management, banking system, and the divided management of Egyptian railroads by France and Britain. On the basis of those experiences, he could afterwards describe the structure of modern Western states systematically in his famous treatise, <The Situation in the West>, which also contained a vision for Japan's new statehood. The book – which became a 150-200 thousand copies-selling bestseller – effectively implanted into the Japanese minds the dream of establishment of a modern nation-state – the product of Western modernity.
Fukuzawa was not the only one who dreamt of realizing western modernity in Japan. These dreams were common for those Japanese who got a chance to "breathe foreign air" in the bakumatsu days. Ikeda Chohatsu, the head of the 3rd mission to Europe, who was sent there under the pressure of jōi isolationists to negotiate the closure of Yokohama, recognized the unfeasibility of his mission, and, braving death, came back and proposed several measures to the bakufu. The proposals he risked his life for, were mostly based on his personal experiences in Europe, and included sending permanent embassies to all European countries, concluding treaties of friendship with all independent foreign states, sending students to France, exchanging information with European newspapers, allowing Japanese to travel abroad for commercial and academic purposes, and so on. Kodai Tomoatsu, who lad the delegation of Satsuma students to Europe, came to admire the commercial and industrial blossoming of London and other major European cities. He promised European traders to establish trading companies in Japan, and also made contracts for building telegraph and railway lines between Kyoto and Osaka, as well as shipbuilding and armament-making facilities. Kurimoto Zyoun, sent to France in 1867, came back with the Napoleonic Code translated into Japanese. Then he published a sort of introduction to the new Western civilization - <Additional Records from the Dawn Window> (1869). There all kinds of Western things Kurimoto could not but admire and envy – Napoleonic Code, city planning, railways, parliaments, public loans, armies, intensive agriculture, educational systems, and so on – were described[28].
Although in the chaos of bakumatsu days the Europe-related information collected by the diplomats and students was not fully used, it was utilized in the process of building Japanese nation-state after the Meiji Restoration. Those who went to Europe during the bakumatsu days then made use of their experience, accompanying Iwakura Mission as secretaries.
Iwakura Mission, a large-scale governmental delegation, was sent to Europe and America 10 years before the Korean Mission came to Japan. Iwakura, given the title of the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, was accompanied by 4 deputies – State Counselor Kido Takayoshi, Financial Minister Okubo Toshimichi, Senior Counselor to the Ministry of Industry Ito Hirobumi, and Junior Counselor to the Foreign Ministry Yamaguchi Naoyoshi, - as well as 41 middle-ranked bureaucrats from various governmental institutions, 18 aids, and 43 students. Just 4 months after traditional feudal "domains" were abolished and substituted by "prefectures" (ken), the new-born Meiji government, which made its first steps to the creation of a nation-state, afforded itself to send abroad half of its leaders, together with the key managers of various governmental agencies and the participants of diplomatic missions of bakumatsu days, in a 100-odd strong delegation[29].
The character and aims of the Iwakura Mission were made clear in the farewell speech by Sanjo Sanetomi, then head of the State Council[30]:

"Exchanges with foreign countries are decisive for the stability or crisis of the state, and the abilities of the envoys are decisive for either glorifying or disgracing the state. Now, after the Restoration, we are going to achieve an equal place among the countries of the world, and this duty is to be discharged by you ten thousand li away from the homeland. The success of our foreign and domestic policies, the great enterprise of tomorrow all depend, in fact, on your departure and your ability to fulfill your duties. The Ambassador is an elder, who has a record of meritorious service for the Restoration. You, his deputies, are all the props and stays of the state, and your, attendants, are also outstanding people of the generation. You should cooperate in the spirit of faithful respect to this great aim, to ensure that your duty will be fulfilled. I know that your wishes will be realized in the near future. Go! Changing steamers in the sea, changing trains on the land, go, and win a reputation all over the world, and come back safely."

Iwakura Mission, which departed in November 1871 with such a strong sense of "great duty", spent following year and ten month touring officially the "advanced countries" of the Western world: USA, Britain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, etc. On the way back, it also had a chance to observe the state of things in the less developed parts of the world, namely Middle East and South Asia[31].
As Sanjo mentioned in his speech, Ambassador Iwakura and his deputies Okubo and Kido were among the major figures of the Restoration, to come to the heights of power after their return home. On basis of the knowledge and information obtained during the trip abroad, Okubo presented his <Opinion on the Constitutional System of government>, and Kido – his <Proposal to Formulate the Constitution>. So, they were able to begin to realize their project of building a nation-state along the European model they witnessed, just after their return home[32].
Having painfully realized that West's modern successes were not achieved overnight, they understood that, for overcoming its backwardness and entering the ranks of modern states, Japan had to simultaneously develop industry, judiciary, education, military, and all other spheres. That was the context of their rejection of Saigo's plan to "conquer Korea" on their return home. In Okubo's refutation of that plan he wrote: "Recently, the government is raising various industries in its quest for the wealth and strength. In most cases, successes can be expected only in a few years. Fleet and army, education, judiciary, industrial schools, wasteland reclamation – all these things do not give results overnight."[33]
Middle-ranked bureaucrats and students that accompanied the Mission also contributed in the formation of Japan-styled nation-state, distinguishing themselves in various spheres. Moreover, the results of the Mission's trip were all included into the <Account of Travel to America and Europe> compiled by Kumi Kunitake, and became a part of public informational domain. As Kumi himself wrote, he "edited and published the results of the Mission's trip for the sake of development of the general public knowledge". It means that he perceived the Mission as a representative of Japanese "nation", not of the Emperor, and, on the basis of such understanding, shared Mission's results with the nation[34].
Korean missions that went abroad to "learn modernity", were, unlike their Japanese counterparts, unofficial. It can be said that this difference reflects the different posture of the two governments in the matter of accepting modern institutions. Although 12 Korean courtiers and their assistants diligently discharged their mission of observing things Japanese for 4 months, from the very beginning their experience was not to be fully utilized in the process of Korea's modernization. First of all, they came to Japan with Kojong's secret orders as private individuals, and it hardly could have been other way: the atmosphere of dogmatic Confucian dominance was too strong in Korea. Also they had, in comparison with Japan's missions of bakumatsu and early Meiji times, the following limitations:
First, Koreans witnessed Japan's modernization efforts 20 years after Meiji reforms had begun, and their acquaintance with modernity was virtually limited to the experience of only one of its variations – the experience of Japan's Meiji project. Korean diplomats or students stayed in Japan for the periods ranging from 4 months to 1 year – the period of time insufficient for digesting of the achievements of Japan-styled nation-state or Europe's modern intellect. There was high possibility that they would take the modernity "translated" – or, in many cases, rather "misread" and "misinterpreted" by the Meiji intellectuals – in place of its European original. As a result, they could not but roam in the labyrinth of "triple-translated modernity", created in the process of interactions between West and Japan, suffering from much worse intellectual chaos than their Japanese contemporaries[35]. The 1881 Korean Mission members, who were first ever Koreans to encounter the Meiji-coined logographical words used for translating borrowed western terms, experienced enormous difficulties in understanding the meanings behind these new combinations of Chinese characters[36].
Second, as Fukuzawa stressed, Meiji missions were strongly conscious about their aim of comprehending the main points of West's intellectual and material achievements for the sake of obtaining an equal place in the "community of the nations", and were mostly staffed with the energetic individuals who were in the positions of power. On the other side, the members of the 1881 Korean Mission, being, of course, a group of outstandingly able courtiers, were – with the exception of Ŏ Yunjung and Hong Yŏngsik – hardly more than King's "vassals" who, living in the world of feudal notions, simply followed King's order and participated in the Mission regardless of their personal intentions. The Mission's attendants were mostly chosen on the basis of their personal relationship with the individual courtiers, and, - except Yun Ch'iho (1865-1945) and Yu Giljun (1856-1914) who were scheduled to remain in Japan for further studies, - lacked both in bureaucratic experience and professionalism. The rest of the 1881 Mission – more than 20 lackeys and interpreters of traditional yŏkkwan background – were also hardly aware of the issues of modernity enough to help the courtiers to understand modern things better.
Third, Japanese missions considered it important to publish their experiences, thus sharing them with the nation, but Korean courtiers were not interested in such things. On return to Korea, they spent on average around two months, writing their "Reports" and "Observations" in the traditional style with the help of petty officials good at calligraphy, to show the King how well they fulfilled his secret orders. These "Reports" and "Observations", hand-written and bound with silk, were presented to Kojong and used then by the King or higher officials in the process of decision-making as reference materials, but hardly exerted any influence in the larger community[37].

5. Conclusion:

The 1881 Korean Mission members were able to relate the shock they felt in the encounter with Japan's "bunmei kaiwa", to Korea's rulers, contributed in changing their value system, and influenced their decision-making process. In this respect, we can say that their Japanese experiences were socially – not only personally – meaningful. Their trip also signified the "trading of roles" in the history of Korean-Japanese cultural exchanges. The ideas of either establishing a nation-state or reforming existing structures ("Eastern morality") on the basis of "Western skills" that the Mission members came to in the result of their trip became two most important sources of inspiration for Korea's reforms of the 1880-1890s. We can say that at that period, Korea could follow either Chinese moderate way of "Eastern morality, Western skills"-type reforms, or Japanese way of building a nation-state. From our today positions, the latter seems to be more desirable. The former, which acknowledged only Western technical superiority and did not recognize the importance of its basis, modern Western ideas, was, in fact, rather an anachronism.
The fact that those Mission members who were in favor of Japanese way, were in minority, suggested that the ensuing process of Korean modernization would not be smooth. But, in a broader prospective, it may be also argued that the modern experiences in Japan also could have seriously changed the views of those "Eastern morality, Western skills" advocates who were still more flexible towards Western institutions than traditional Confucian conservatives, and imbued them with the awareness of the necessity of building a nation-state in Korea. In fact, even Fukuzawa Yukichi, when he was touring Europe in 1862, could not understand how a product of Western modernity – democracy – worked in practice[38]. But then, on the basis of his observations in the West, he grew into a modern "enlightenment" thinker. It is sure that the information on Western modernity he obtained on the spot could not been understood by him immediately at that moment, but influenced his worldview in the longer prospective nevertheless. In the same way, some of those Mission members who first stood on the "Eastern morality, Western skills" positions, became, in 10 years, leading actors of the radical Kabo Reforms (1894-1895), aimed at the establishment of modern nation-state. Pak Chŏngyang became Education Minister and Prime Minister, Yi Hŏnyŏng – Minister of Internal Affairs, Ŏm Seyŏng – Minister of Agriculture and Industry in the reform governments. The main organ of the Kabo reforms – The State Deliberative Council on Civil and Military Affairs (kun'guk kimuch'ŏ) – had the system of "collective leadership" not dissimilar with Meiji Institutions, which were positively, appreciated by the "Eastern morality, Western skills" advocates. The system of elective local assemblies (hyanghwe) the reformers wanted to implant in Korea was also largely modeled after Meiji system of local self-rule, highly acclaimed by the erstwhile "Eastern morality, Western skills" partisans. Judging from these features of their reformist agenda, they also seem likely to have understood the necessity to build a nation-state in the long term. But why the ideas of Ŏ Yunjung, who advocated the establishment of a nation-state, were doomed to failure? There were many reasons, and one of them was the ill-starred Kapsin 1884 coup – ironically, masterminded by Ŏ Yunjung's closest fellow thinkers. The other was Chinese interference and conservative Confucian reaction that only intensified after the coup's failure.
Ŏ Yunjung, Yu Giljun, Yun Ch'iho, and other former Mission members or attendants, who were accused of "sympathies" to the masterminds of the 1884 Kapsin coup and either sent out to petty official posts or repressed, could return on the political stage and put their new statehood projects into practice only during the 1894 Kabo Reforms. They were thinking about Cabinet-centered constitutional monarchy able to unify the country, introduction of limited popular representation, creation of police system, modernization of laws, and raising a standing army. As to the methods of economical unification, they considered increasing state income through regularizing royal finances, improvement of tax collection, developing new tax income sources, and government-led promotion of private industrial enterprise. These plans were to be financed by loans from Japan. As to the national unification, they advocated creating a nation through abolishment of hereditary status system and building of a modern educational system. To assert Korea's sovereignty and independence internationally, tributary relationship with China was to be abolished.
As, not unlike the radical masterminds of the Kapsin coup, they planned to establish a nation-state with Japanese assistance, and as in reality their nation-making efforts aided, to some degree, Japan's imperialist aggression, they hardly can be absolved from the charges of "reformist" collaboration with the Japanese imperialism. The lack of independent self-consciousness so conspicuous in their projects remains a common inherent weakness of all Korean governments from the 1884 coup times up to our days. Ŏ Yunjung's plans of Japan-modeled nation-building were the prototype of the nation-creating programs of almost all Korean reformist movements, from 1884 up to the time of the so-called "patriotic enlightenment movement" (the 1910s). The reason was the visible viability of the Japanese model, although it distorted the ideals of Great French Revolution – popular sovereignty, equality, and freedom.
Lack of any consideration of human rights in the government models developed by Koreans themselves in the time of the modernizing reforms attempts in the 1880-1900s, makes these models similar to the authoritarian systems established in post-colonial South and North Korea, especially to the South Korean military dictatorships after 1961. Especially interesting is the fact that the plans for centralized government-led modern state-building and foreign loans-financed economical development worked out by Ŏ Yunjung's, look like a prototype of the state-building and developmental strategies implemented by the military governments after the coup on May 16, 1961. Time and spatial differences notwithstanding, both could not overcome the Meiji nation-building model – characteristically non-democratic, unrelated to the universalistic ideals of modernity.
In the end, we should emphasize that the forces that stood behind the Meiji project of nation making, preferred to differentiate themselves for the imagined "West", made into Japan's "Other", and went by the course of reviving Japan's ancient "traditions", a far cry from Western universalism. For one example, they used the barely preserved Shinto and Imperial institutes for the cultural unification, in place of Western Christianity. But, while Meiji Japanese authorities wanted the carefully revived, protected, and nurtured Shinto to be a counterweight to Christianity, Ŏ Yunjung – as well as Kim Okkyun and other Kapsin coup organizers – considered Christianity a good substitute for Confucianism, an instrument for achieving "strength and wealth" and "civilizing the people". I wish to note that this opinion difference in the question of the reception of Christianity was afterwards reflected in very different patterns of accepting Christianity in Japan and Korea.
Korean Courtiers Observation Mission's Views on Meiji Japan and Projects of Modern State Building



why did Japan annexed...

The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-1) - YouTube
The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-2) - YouTube
The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-3) - YouTube
 
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"If you try to forget the past, you lose one eye..."

Japan did not free Korea. In order to devour Korea, Korea had to be an independent country.

If Japan had freed Korea, how can you describe the annexation of Korea?

Oh wait, Nippon said...."To help Korea..."

That doesn't make sense. Korea had suffered hunger and many Korean men had died aiding Japan in war.

3 Koreans had died serving as "suicide pilots" aka Kamikaze.

I've got a book I want you to read.

Go to the nearest library and check out the book: When my name was Keoko

It will explain everything. I cried while I read this.
 
at first, to protect Japan, Japan wanted korea to modernize themselves and avoid chinese influenced like stupid ryanbang and neo Confucianism.
However, it was impossible. korea became pro-Russian It would accept Russian troops in Korean .
as for Japan, Russian army stands in front of Japan.

ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」ツ(Kouaron)
kaishu katsu announced 窶愿コツ青エ窶凖アナ暖ヒ彑( sino-japan alliance doctrine, japan-china- korea together and make the east asia union to resist Russian)
Katsu Kaishテ?ォ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it was called kouaron.
Tarui considerd before china-Japan alliance, japan must do amalgamation with korea equally...窶佚・窶愬陳坂?。窶溺ヒ彑ツ』ツ(1885窶扼ツ)
テヲツィツステ、ツコ窶「ティ窶板、テ・ツ絶?ー - Wikipedia
yokichi Fukuzawa said " it is impossible
after sino-japan war, kouaron窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑 lost that value.....
however ideology of kouaron was still existing as mainstream in japan at that time..

This koaron had a big influence on Korea.
窶披?コ窶覇窶ケテ」ツ(ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ)was a believer of ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」
he hoped amalgamation with japan equally.
Iljinhoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a coutry that won against Russia(japan) and korea(lowest in asia) are going to an amalgamation eqauly.

they were so serious and demanded to japan

Ito was angry "Why should Japan amalgamate equally with Korea?"
so Japan suppressed ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ Through korean PM 窶披?コナ?ツョ窶廃ツ。
the obstacle that korean wanted was Ito ........though Ito seriously thought about Korea.

then An Jung-geun killed Prime minister Ito.
it is understood clearly that Korea can not changeit themselves..
 
at first, to protect Japan, Japan wanted korea to modernize themselves and avoid chinese influenced like stupid ryanbang and neo Confucianism.
However, it was impossible. korea became pro-Russian It would accept Russian troops in Korean .
as for Japan, it means Russian army stands in front of Japan.
then Russo-japan war was happend

ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」ツ(Kouaron)
kaishu katsu announced 窶愿コツ青エ窶凖アナ暖ヒ彑( sino-japan alliance doctrine, japan-china- korea together and make the east asia union to resist Russian)
Katsu Kaishテ?ォ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it was called kouaron.
Tarui considerd before china-Japan alliance, japan must do amalgamation with korea equally...窶佚・窶愬陳坂?。窶溺ヒ彑ツ』ツ(1885窶扼ツ)
テヲツィツステ、ツコ窶「ティ窶板、テ・ツ絶?ー - Wikipedia
yokichi Fukuzawa said " it is impossible
after sino-japan war, kouaron窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑 lost that value.....
however ideology of kouaron was still existing as mainstream in japan at that time..

This koaron had a big influence on Korea.
窶披?コ窶覇窶ケテ」ツ(ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ)was a believer of ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」
he hoped amalgamation with japan equally.
Iljinhoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a coutry that won against Russia(japan) and korea(lowest in asia) are going to an amalgamation eqauly.

they were so serious and demanded to japan

Ito was angry "Why should Japan amalgamate equally with Korea?"
so Japan suppressed ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ Through korean PM 窶披?コナ?ツョ窶廃ツ。
the obstacle that korean wanted was Ito ........though Ito seriously thought about Korea.

then An Jung-geun killed Prime minister Ito.
it is understood clearly that Korea can not changeit themselves..
 
An Jeung gun cut his finger. He is a hero. He devoted his life against Japanese oppressors and chin-il-pa.

I admire him.


Well, you're Japanese and I'm Korean. Apparantly, we will never agree. As a Korean, what I believe will last me a million years.


Well, What might have happened if Japan won the World war? Would I be Korean?
 
at first, to protect Japan, Japan wanted korea to modernize themselves and avoid chinese influenced like stupid ryanbang and neo Confucianism.
However, it was impossible. korea became pro-Russian It would accept Russian troops in Korean .
as for Japan, it means Russian army stands in front of Japan.
then Russo-japan war was happend

ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」ツ(Kouaron)
kaishu katsu announced 窶愿コツ青エ窶凖アナ暖ヒ彑( sino-japan alliance doctrine, japan-china- korea together and make the east asia union to resist Russian)
Katsu Kaishテ?ォ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it was called kouaron.
Tarui considerd before china-Japan alliance, japan must do amalgamation with korea equally...窶佚・窶愬陳坂?。窶溺ヒ彑ツ』ツ(1885窶扼ツ)
テヲツィツステ、ツコ窶「ティ窶板、テ・ツ絶?ー - Wikipedia
yokichi Fukuzawa said " it is impossible
after sino-japan war, kouaron窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑 lost that value.....
however ideology of kouaron was still existing as mainstream in japan at that time..

This koaron had a big influence on Korea.
窶披?コ窶覇窶ケテ」ツ(ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ)was a believer of ツ「窶ケツサヒ?クヒ彑ツ」
he hoped amalgamation with japan equally.
Iljinhoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a coutry that won against Russia(japan) and korea(lowest in asia) are going to an amalgamation eqauly.

they were so serious and demanded to japan

Ito was angry "Why should Japan amalgamate equally with Korea?"
so Japan suppressed ヒ?ェツ進窶ーテッツ Through korean PM 窶披?コナ?ツョ窶廃ツ。
the obstacle that korean wanted was Ito ........though Ito seriously thought about Korea.

then An Jung-geun killed Prime minister Ito.
it is understood clearly that Korea can not changeツ it as a modern state themselves..
 
My Reply: Be ready to be crushed.

Yay!!! Ito is dead!!! 대한독립 만세! (meaning: Horray for Korean freedom)


I got a question. If Japan won World war 2, would there be Korea? China might have been devoured. I am happy that USA won WW2.


Another Q; What kind of history would be more reliable? The records of the one who conquered, or the one who got conquered?

BTW, It's colonized, not annexation.


JAPAN TRIED TO DESTROY MY CULTURE. BUT YOU FAILED. YOU CAN NEVER DESTROY IT MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (what?) AND JAPANESE CULTURE IS NOT SUPERIOR IT'S UNIQUE LIKE ALL OTHER CULTURES
:LOL:
 
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An Jeung gun cut his finger. He is a hero. He devoted his life against Japanese oppressors and chin-il-pa.
I admire him.
Well, you're Japanese and I'm Korean. Apparantly, we will never agree. As a Korean, what I believe will last me a million years.
Well, What might have happened if Japan won the World war? Would I be Korean?
JAPAN TRIED TO DESTROY MY CULTURE. BUT YOU FAILED. YOU CAN NEVER DESTROY IT MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (what?)
:LOL:


The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-1) - YouTube
The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-2) - YouTube
The Truth of Japan's annexation of the Korean Peninsula(3-3) - YouTube

what is korean culture at that time?
why dont you wear white hanbok? where is Ryanbang?
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I think you should read books which western ppls wrote as evidences.

anyway it does not matter for a Japanese how korean history was..becuase we dont care about it
therefore Do not border Japanese history. it is simple...
 
Western people are not in this. Japan is not changing at all no wonder asia doesn't trust japan
 
What is Korean culture that time? The thoughts of the people, the way of living and the personalities of the people.
 
And, you bordered your own history. Don't blame me. It's not our fault that Korean and Japanese history collided.
 
Pebbles can't grow into boulders. Boulders become pebbles. Btw, I don't watch videos.

You don't answer my question, but I do. Isn't that unfair?

Why won't you stop linking videos and start ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS????

and Korea and china doesn't trust Japan :p

all in the past... HA! It's only been 70 years.
 
You support your opinions with videos. I feel so stupid for answering you.

Right now, I'd rather rant about communism.

There are many smart Japanese out there, but I don't think you're one of them. If you wanna talk to me, got to:

http://naver.jp/Korra

User:Fionna The Hero - The Adventure Time Wiki. Mathematical!

you are a negative person, so I'll be negative to you too.

What you should know: colonization is caused by greed. It's not wanted from colonies.

this was from: A 6th grade Korean girl studying in Brent. BAIBAI
 
Caster is Uyoko, and a waste of time to discuss with. They are a very small minority of Japanese that can't admit that Japan were bad guys in WWII. It's hard to comprehend. Most modern people are able to admit what their ancestors did wrong, but the Uyoko feel sorry for themselves since... I don't know. I know how to separate myself from history. Uyoku's self-respect is based on their grandpa or something. They try to flood places with 'facts', but with only a little digging, you'll find that they're simply bitter racists.

Just keep in mind, Japanese have no respect for these people. They wrap themselves in the flag, and pretend they represent their country, but they are simply a loud, ignorant minority. In English culture, we'd just laugh at these types, but in Japan they tend to simply ignore them and pretend they don't exist. That's Japanese manners. Whenever she sees Uyoku, the first words out of my wife's mouth is ツ催??ォ.
 
Mirror for Americans: Japan
I have just read a Japanese translation of an American book entitled "Mirror for Americans: Japan". It was originally written in 1948 by Helen Mears, who was an expert on oriental history and cultures in the prewar era, and came to Japan in the aftermath of the Great East Asian War to help the Allied occupation forces formulate new labor laws.
The main theme of the book was why Japan got into the reckless war. The book says, Japan could not avoid the war in terms of its relations with the Western powers. The powers used deceptive policies against Japan. With a calm but very objective reasoning, the author reveals that what Japan did was the same as what the powers had already done. She continues, Japan was the best student of modernization and Westernization, following what the powers showed decades before. That is, the student was Japan and the powers were the teacher in this sense. Japan's condemned actions in Asia were just the reflection of the Western powers themselves in a mirror. I guess that the title of the book was thus made.
I'm going to write about my father-in-law who passed away a few years ago. He had worked in a small southern island as a mechanic on fighter planes during the last war. He sometimes told me stuff about the war, and there were a lot of differences from what I learned in school and from his story. I didn't believe that he was telling a lie, but I didn't think that the history textbook wasn't correct either. Getting back on the right track, the author started the story with her flight between the U.S. and Japan. It took several days to fly between both countries at that time. She had to repeat stopovers on the islands in the Pacific Ocean, and consequently she saw native people's daily life. What she wrote about the natives was just the same as my father-in-law used to talk to me. I realized that the history textbook was not correct. My Father Gone - Japanese Surgeon's Daily Life
Understandably, General Douglas MacArthur, the omnipotent Supreme Commander in the occupied Japan, prohibited publishing this book in Japan. It was as late as 1995 that the book was translated into Japanese and published in Japan. The original version is said to have been criticized by American people and she was labeled as a defender of a vicious Japan.
She didn't mean to defend Japan. She questioned the justification of the Western powers which insisted that only Japan should be condemned in the modern Far Eastern history and also doubted the way of identifying Japanese people as traditionally belligerent, and the way of thinking that America, therefore, should educate them. Her research and analysis was dispassionate and fully acceptable to me.
International relations are mostly ruled by the logic of the strong nations, and it was clearly demonstrated in the Far East in the first half of the last century, I suppose. Japanese education is still also controlled by the U.S. view of history. There are so many things we have to learn from Ms. Mears' book.
Is it still too early to think about the causes and effects of the war serenely, beyond a dichotomy between winners and losers?
Mirror for Americans: Japan - Japanese Surgeon's Daily Life

let's see..
she wrote about korea why japan annexed..i am going to introduce..
anyway it is going to be intrereting

meiji diplomacy
diplomacy of Meiji
 
BTW. I do not Judged about Korea by Today's value
If it says in today's sense of values, I will oppose to Korean annexation.

anyway Korean was the Japanese at that time
as for ww2. most korean dreamed as same as the Japanese.
so was the Tiwanese.

 
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Caster is Uyoko, and a waste of time to discuss with. They are a very small minority of Japanese that can't admit that Japan were bad guys in WWII. It's hard to comprehend. Most modern people are able to admit what their ancestors did wrong, but the Uyoko feel sorry for themselves since... I don't know. I know how to separate myself from history. Uyoku's self-respect is based on their grandpa or something. They try to flood places with 'facts', but with only a little digging, you'll find that they're simply bitter racists.

Just keep in mind, Japanese have no respect for these people. They wrap themselves in the flag, and pretend they represent their country, but they are simply a loud, ignorant minority. In English culture, we'd just laugh at these types, but in Japan they tend to simply ignore them and pretend they don't exist. That's Japanese manners. Whenever she sees Uyoku, the first words out of my wife's mouth is 最悪.

They think Asia owes the Japanese gratitude for colonization, and are vexed that the "thank you" notes don't pour in to Japan.

Or well, its hard to know what is going on in the head of an uyoku. Basically, not a whole lot. But what little does go on is an affront to decency and reason.

About the only thing I can think of that is good is that they tend to dig up information, but we all know they only deal in information that seems to help them.

There is an uyoku on JT called Nigelboy. Any time the sex slaves come up, he insists they were all respected and paid comfort women and dredges up a lot of information like name lists and wage documents. Thing is, its all pre-1941. He just won't admit that everything went to hell with the comfort woman system after that and it became a sex slave system. But hey, then again, even those I side with against the uyoku also have trouble seeing the comfort woman system as anything but barbarity from the start. Of course, that only aids the uyoku in remaining stupid, because there is something wrong with that too and they can smell that something is wrong.

I don't think the comfort woman system was so bad at first. I see it as just an attempt to legitimize prostitution that is always rampant where ever there are soldiers gathered. But as the war went to hell for Japan, the system went to hell too. It got harder to find willing prostitutes and so they started getting unwilling ones. Inhuman, intolerable and disgusting though, and nothing but shame for Japan and no excuses for it.
 
They think Asia owes the Japanese gratitude for colonization, and are vexed that the "thank you" notes don't pour in to Japan.
Or well, its hard to know what is going on in the head of an uyoku. Basically, not a whole lot. But what little does go on is an affront to decency and reason.
About the only thing I can think of that is good is that they tend to dig up information, but we all know they only deal in information that seems to help them.
There is an uyoku on JT called Nigelboy. Any time the sex slaves come up, he insists they were all respected and paid comfort women and dredges up a lot of information like name lists and wage documents. Thing is, its all pre-1941. He just won't admit that everything went to hell with the comfort woman system after that and it became a sex slave system. But hey, then again, even those I side with against the uyoku also have trouble seeing the comfort woman system as anything but barbarity from the start. Of course, that only aids the uyoku in remaining stupid, because there is something wrong with that too and they can smell that something is wrong.
I don't think the comfort woman system was so bad at first. I see it as just an attempt to legitimize prostitution that is always rampant where ever there are soldiers gathered. But as the war went to hell for Japan, the system went to hell too. It got harder to find willing prostitutes and so they started getting unwilling ones. Inhuman, intolerable and disgusting though, and nothing but shame for Japan and no excuses for it.


. most them were so poor and sold their bodies for living even in japan.
there were many Japanese comfort women more than korean
korea was far more poorer than japan. and prostitute was so common.
there is no need to force them. it was just money talk. it would not do that kind of troublesome. even kids would understand it


this original movie was made 1950 . there was not confort women issue
even today, korean prostitutes protest anti-prostitution law in korea. how many sourh korean prostitute are there in Japan ? it is said more than 20,000. how about in US and Ausrlaria,? it is getting big problem...

Korean and Japanese women in war zones during WW2.



anyway, most Japanese think it is not good about that.
First of all, even uyoku do not regard even prostitution as good.
 
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Originally from Yamaguchi Prefecture on the Sea of Japan, Yoshida was stationed in Korea, then a colony of Japan, during World War II; he claimed that he assisted police to kidnap over 2,000 women from various rural areas of the Korean peninsula to serve as comfort women.[3] After the war, he ran as a Japanese Communist Party candidate in the 1947 Shimonoseki city council elections, but was defeated.[1]



Memoirs controversy

In 1977 and again in 1983, Yoshida published memoirs about his actions during the war.[3] His books and a subsequent 1991 media interview have been credited with bringing about an apology to Korea by Foreign Affairs minister Yōhei Kōno.[4] As Yoshida's memoirs became widely known, he began to attract suspicion. Ikuhiko Hata, a historian at Takushoku University and one of Yoshida's leading critics, pointed to inconsistencies between Yoshida's 1977 and 1983 memoirs, using these to assert that his claims are fabricated.[3] South Korean newspaper interviews with residents of Jeju Island, where the forced recruitment allegedly took place, found no one who admitted to remembering a sweep through a button factory there which Yoshida detailed in his 1983 memoirs.[2][3] In May 1996, weekly magazine Shūkan Shinchō published remarks by Yoshida made to them in an interview, admitting that portions of his work had been made up. He stated that "There is no profit in writing the truth in books. Hiding the facts and mixing them with your own assertions is something that newspapers do all the time too".[5][6][7] In June 2009, 李栄薫(이영훈), who is a professor of Seoul National University, argued that Yoshida's testimony has spread among Korean society after Yoshida published books.[8][9]

Since then, historians seeking to deny or downplay the existence of comfort women commonly mention Yoshida and his testimony. The inaccuracy of Yoshida's claims are used to cast doubt on the existence or extent of forced prostitution under Japanese rule in World War II.[10]

Learn and talk about Seiji Yoshida, Comfort women, Japanese activists, Japanese communists, Japanese military personnel of World War II
 
. most them were so poor and sold their bodies for living even in japan.
there were many Japanese comfort women more than korean
korea was far more poorer than japan. and prostitute was so common.
there is no need to force them. it was just money talk. it would not do that kind of troublesome. even kids would understand it


this original movie was made 1950 . there was not confort women issue
even today, korean prostitutes protest anti-prostitution law in korea. how many sourh korean prostitute are there in Japan ? it is said more than 20,000. how about in US and Ausrlaria,? it is getting big problem...

Korean and Japanese women in war zones during WW2.



anyway, most Japanese think it is not good about that.
First of all, even uyoku do not regard even prostitution as good.


Exerpt from when my name was Keoko: "You will be sent to Japan to sew uniforms. Salary will be paid in Korea to your Korean family...."

THAT'S WHEN COMFORT WOMEN BEGAN.
 
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She wrote the book recently, it's a historic fiction. shut up uyoku. Try researching next time.
 
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