Right wing japanese.

[TwistedMac]

"get the foreigners out of japan!"

http://www.twisted-irony.com/slasken/rightwing.jpg

my questions are:
how common is this? is this something you see *all the time*?
how is it recieved? do most japanese agree? do most japanese agree (but only behind locked doors) or do most japanese consider them basically the same as when we see racists yelling in the street? or is it somewhere in between?

picture is courtesy of Ken Lee (http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Japan/photo2793.htm) (Kentokyo (http://www.trekearth.com/members/kentokyo/))

edit: trekearth arent big fans of linking pics, so i hosted it on my own server...

[PaulTB]

picture is courtesy of Ken Lee (http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Japan/photo2793.htm) (Kentokyo (http://www.trekearth.com/members/kentokyo/))

Dude. You've been totally bandwidth-stealer-switch-piccy'ed. :relief:

[EDIT] Hmm, NOW it appears ... :?

[TwistedMac]

aaaah, it's one of them XD, i'll just host it on my site then =P.. didnt know since it shows up to me since i've loaded the pic before..=P

Hmm, NOW it appears ... :?
that's cuz you clicked the link with his name right? ^^ it's a link to the original place of the pic... which would make you load it =P

[PaulTB]

aaaah, it's one of them XD, i'll just host it on my site then =P.. didnt know since it shows up to me since i've loaded the pic before..=P
I suspect it displays after you've visited their site. How do they do that? :clueless: (Actually I've got a rough idea - I just want to annoy mikecash with extra smilies :D ) [EDIT] And there it disappears again ... :okashii:

Anyway to answer your question as much as I can (e.g. not very) as far as I know mainstream Japan doesn't have any more sympathy for rightwing extremests (<- damn I can't spell that word) than, say, the UK* does.

* e.g. a touch less than France and the US do at the moment :relief:

[Mike Cash]

More than being annoyed by the gratuitous smilies, I'm curious how he arrived at the idea that the uyoku's obsession has to do with getting foreigners out of Japan.

[TwistedMac]

i don't much know what the uyoku is -_- sorry.. the taker of the picture claimed it to be something of the sorts here (http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Japan/photo2793.htm)

[PaulTB]

More than being annoyed by the gratuitous smilies, I'm curious how he arrived at the idea that the uyoku's obsession has to do with getting foreigners out of Japan.
Obsession by association? [EDIT] On second throughts he's probably been reading this guy's stuff (http://www.japantraveler.com/issues/0005/racism.html). Personally I thought their obsession was power - same as all the rest.

Anyway on your behalf, and probably others, I've suggested option to kill display of smilies (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=10308).

edit: trekearth arent big fans of linking pics, so i hosted it on my own server...
Watch the bandwidth ...

[RockLee]

he's from SWEDEN???? he has like UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH Grrrrr :okashii: and 10 MBit ul/dl :(

[TwistedMac]

and my webhotell is owned by a friend of mine.. so it's all gewd ^^

edit: woah Paul, that link is just filled to the brim with hate towards immigrants exposed O_O assuming all the quotes are true ofcourse..

[canadian_kor]

I wonder if these people are linked with this movement:

http://www.nsjap.com/axis/home.html?

[Uncle Frank]

Back in the early 70's there was 1 week a year we were susposed to stay on base & out of town(Fukuoka).
One week a year, there were anti-war protests,anti-nuke protests, anti American protests,etc. . I lived off base in town and never once had a single soul bother me. I always thought it was great that they crammed there so called "hate" into 1 week a year! I had the feeling the majority of protesters were there as part of their job or obbligation to some cause, not because of deep felt feelings?

Frank

:?

[TwistedMac]

I wonder if these people are linked with this movement:

http://www.nsjap.com/axis/home.html?

holy moley... nazism reborn O_o i'm pretty much speechless... they sport a http://www.nsjap.com/axis/blue-ribbon.gif on their site.. guess they'd have to..

"It should also be remembered that such Jews as Albert Einstein, Leo Szilard (Spitz), Edward Teller, Eugene (Jeno) Wigner, and Robert Oppenheimer brought us the atomic holocaust of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

[senseiman]

I see those *** holes in their black vans blaring their propoganda pretty often. I hate those guys, really. My father in-law is a politician affiliated with the social democratic party. When my wife was a child, those bastards used to drive up in front of their house with their music blaring in an attempt to terrorize his whole family because they disagreed with his politics. They are a bunch of cowardly, low life scum of the earth and they'd be doing us all a favor if they just commited ritual suicide.

[Wang]

I wonder if these people are linked with this movement:

http://www.nsjap.com/axis/home.html?

No nsjap is a standalone rightwing organization, that doesn't fit into the standard Japanese rightwing organizations.

[Gaki]

I wonder if these people are linked with this movement:

http://www.nsjap.com/axis/home.html?

Everytime i see that site it makes me laugh. :D

[canadian_kor]

Everytime i see that site it makes me laugh. :D

Well, they seem to have relations with the NSDAP in Germany. The only problem is I wonder if the German NSDAP members consider Japanese people as racial allies. I read a Hitler biography where he called Japanese people "yellow skinned and slit-eyed" people. And that the Nazis would eventually have to attack Japan after all the other countries were conquered or subjugated. I wonder if many members of the NSJAP know that little secret of Hitler.

[Duo]

Don't these people realize that without foreigners Japan would probaply still be some primitive feudal society type of place? I mean the West "forced" them out of feudality when and then saved them again from a right-wing government. If Japan would remain isolated they would "die" seeing as they have no resources at all. Think think think, this is my message to these right wingers.

[PaulTB]

Everytime i see that site it makes me laugh. :D
Why exactly do they have an English version of their web site I wonder ? :?

[canadian_kor]

Don't these people realize that without foreigners Japan would probaply still be some primitive feudal society type of place? I mean the West "forced" them out of feudality when and then saved them again from a right-wing government. If Japan would remain isolated they would "die" seeing as they have no resources at all. Think think think, this is my message to these right wingers.

I think a lot of these people want to return to the old Japan of the Shogunate era. I think there is still this romanticism about the old feudal era by many modern Japanese. I also think that modern advancements is something they would give up for the return to old Japan.

[kirei_na_me]

My husband was in a wreck involving a couple of those guys one time and they were trying to squeeze him out of every dime he had...until they found out about his friend. These guys are scared of the yakuza, I've heard.

[Duo]

I think a lot of these people want to return to the old Japan of the Shogunate era. I think there is still this romanticism about the old feudal era by many modern Japanese. I also think that modern advancements is something they would give up for the return to old Japan.

Sure, the shogunate era was a lotta fun for samurai and damyo, having servants, concubines and the finer things in life such as wonderful swords that you could test on whomever was lower in social status than you. But for the farmers and other people it probaply was hell. I feel that the samurai period is too much romanticised with brave warriors fearless and what not. I wish for once they'd have a movie about the suffering of innocent peasants who had to put up with all that abuse.

[bossel]

Well, they seem to have relations with the NSDAP in Germany. The only problem is I wonder if the German NSDAP members consider Japanese people as racial allies. I read a Hitler biography where he called Japanese people "yellow skinned and slit-eyed" people. And that the Nazis would eventually have to attack Japan after all the other countries were conquered or subjugated. I wonder if many members of the NSJAP know that little secret of Hitler.
:? There is no NSDAP in Germany anymore. Disappeared in 1945.

[Gaki]

And that the Nazis would eventually have to attack Japan after all the other countries were conquered or subjugated. I wonder if many members of the NSJAP know that little secret of Hitler.


That's the funny part about it, they mention about their brotherhood with the European Nazi parties but at the end of the day those people are out for the Aryan race and no one else.
Notice how their site links off to other sites and those sites DONT link back to them. :D

If anything they make a mockery out of their own people, there's like a whole article explaining how they and the other Aryan races are related by DNA. Do they really beleive that people are gonna accept them as white? :D

Probably 90% of the site is filled with flawed "facts", these kind of people read what they want to read and leave out everything else.

[Arch]

I wonder if these people are linked with this movement:

http://www.nsjap.com/axis/home.html?

wtf these idiots ??? seem like a bunch of thugs to me. Why dont that get with the times and understand its changed !!!

[canadian_kor]

:? There is no NSDAP in Germany anymore. Disappeared in 1945.

Are you sure? Check here:

http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/

Or here:

http://www.kds-im-netz.de/

That's the funny part about it, they mention about their brotherhood with the European Nazi parties but at the end of the day those people are out for the Aryan race and no one else.
Notice how their site links off to other sites and those sites DONT link back to them. :D

If anything they make a mockery out of their own people, there's like a whole article explaining how they and the other Aryan races are related by DNA. Do they really beleive that people are gonna accept them as white? :D

Probably 90% of the site is filled with flawed "facts", these kind of people read what they want to read and leave out everything else.

They make a big deal of how the Japanese come from the Turanian racial stock and how these Turanians are related to the Indo-Europeans. Last time I checked Turanians (like Turks, Kazakhs, Samoyeds, etc.) speak a Ural-Altaic language. Read any book on Hitler or the Nazis and you'll discover that they considered Italians or Spanish as more racial brothers than the Japanese (for the Nazis allying with Japan was more a matter of convenience than racial philosophy).

[bossel]

Are you sure?
Yep, I'm sure, the NSDAP doesn't exist in Germany anymore. There are still neo-nazis around, but with virtually no influence. Most of the neo-nazi organizations are under constant surveillance. If ever one of these becomes too strong or utters its nazi-stance too pronounced, it will be forbidden. I think, Germany has one of the toughest laws in the world against national socialism.

NSDAP/AO is a US organization that provides German neo-nazis with material, but it's not in Germany as an organization. Actually, one of the leaders, US-citizen Lauck, was arrested when he came to Germany & sentenced to prison. NSDAP/AO seems rather proud of this, you can read up on this here (http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/the-fight-goes-on.htm#An%20Introduction%20to%20the%20NSDAP/AO:).

KDS (your 2nd link) seems to be one of the above-mentioned neo-nazi organisations. If they get too loud, they're gone.



(for the Nazis allying with Japan was more a matter of convenience than racial philosophy).
Yep!
I think, there was some propaganda to show that there was a racial relation to Japanese, but it only started when they were needed as allies. & it wasn't really done wholeheartedly.
That doesn't mean that the Nazis would have gone to war with Japan at a later time, though. Mind you, they were not after world domination but they had (if I remember correctly) 3 main aims:

1) Lebensraum im Osten, means "living space in the East" (East here would be mainly Poland & maybe parts of the SU)
2) revenge for WWI
3) expulsion (later extermination) of European Jews

[canadian_kor]

Yep!
I think, there was some propaganda to show that there was a racial relation to Japanese, but it only started when they were needed as allies. & it wasn't really done wholeheartedly.
That doesn't mean that the Nazis would have gone to war with Japan at a later time, though. Mind you, they were not after world domination but they had (if I remember correctly) 3 main aims:

1) Lebensraum im Osten, means "living space in the East" (East here would be mainly Poland & maybe parts of the SU)
2) revenge for WWI
3) expulsion (later extermination) of European Jews

As I recall, I believe Hitler wanted to do more than the three above things. I remember hearing that he wanted to dominate the whole world (which after, the subjugated races would serve the Nordics for a 1000 years). I also remember the Nazis were affiliated with secret societies in Germany like the Thules. I wonder if the Nazis knew about the origins of humanity more than we actually know.

[bossel]

As I recall, I believe Hitler wanted to do more than the three above things. I remember hearing that he wanted to dominate the whole world (which after, the subjugated races would serve the Nordics for a 1000 years). I also remember the Nazis were affiliated with secret societies in Germany like the Thules. I wonder if the Nazis knew about the origins of humanity more than we actually know.
World domination was one of the propaganda slogans ("Heute gehört uns Deutschland, morgen die ganze Welt" = "Today we have [own?] Germany, tomorrow the whole world"), but it was never a real policy. They didn't even want the whole of Europe.

For the "Thule Society": Some high ranked Nazis may have been members of that society, but its influence was very limited.

The Nazis didn't know more than others about the origins of humanity. Actually, they were blinded by wishful thinking.

[senseiman]

I think a lot of these people want to return to the old Japan of the Shogunate era. I think there is still this romanticism about the old feudal era by many modern Japanese. I also think that modern advancements is something they would give up for the return to old Japan.

Actually, these groups idolize the emporer and its more the Meiji to early Showa eras that they are seeking a return to. They don't have any romantic notions about traditional Japan nor do they have any grievances with modern technology. Their goals and beliefs are purely political, ie the emporer should be at the head of the government and everyone should worship him. During the Tokugawa Shogunate and throughout the era of military rule in Japan stretching back to the 12th century there were a series of systems of governments which all relegated the imperial family to no more than sympolic figureheads with no real power, which is pretty much the opposite of what these people want.

[Ogumo]

The government has still not cracked down on these people? When the chinese embassy was attacked that should have been the red light...

[Hiroshi66]

The NSJAP seems to be one of those "joke" parties that are so popular in America. Naturally, if the NSJAP was to ever have a period of glory, it would have likely been in probably the 1930's and 1940's - when Japan was "in love" with Nazi Germany. Now its probably defunct and not affiliated with the right-wing movement.

Someone said that their father in law was affiliated with the SDP. I am a conservative, but I ever was (and never will be) a left-winger, I would certainly join the Social Democratic Party.

[antantrevolution]

They are a bunch of cowardly, low life scum of the earth and they'd be doing us all a favor if they just commited ritual suicide.

Nothing a few shots from a silenced SR-25 wouldn't fix....

Ant

[Mike Cash]

The government has still not cracked down on these people? When the chinese embassy was attacked that should have been the red light...

Are you talking about the Japanese government cracking down on the groups? If so, there's a little problem called "freedom of speech".

Let's not go back to the bad old days of the Japan of the 1930s.

[Gaki]

Are you talking about the Japanese government cracking down on the groups? If so, there's a little problem called "freedom of speech".

Let's not go back to the bad old days of the Japan of the 1930s.

I think "Freedom of speech" only applies to America.