Comfort woman ?? nothing comes worse than this

[Warshrine]

http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/japan.html


More than 10,000 Chinese, Korean and Russian PoWs were slaughtered in these biological experiments.

The vivisection was routinely used for practicing various kinds of surgery says Dr. Ken Yuasa, a former Japanese doctor working in China during the War. First an appendectomy, then an amputation of an arm and finally a tracheotomy. When they finished practicing, they killed the victim with an injection. Morimura Seiichi describes in explicit details of vivisection in his book "The Devouring Monster".

Medical researchers also locked up diseased prisoners with healthy ones, to see how readily various diseases would spread.

To determine how much pressure the body can withstand, some were put inside a pressure chamber would suffer terrible agony before their eyes pop out from their sockets and blood forced out through their skin.

Marutas were denied food or water to determine the maximum length of survival, or mummified alive in total dehydration experiments. Some were put into hot water and gradually increase the temperature to study degree of burns and the relationship between temperature and survival.

To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated, the doctors would repeat the process on the victim's upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments.

Victims were burned with flamethrowers, blown up with shrapnel, bombarded with lethal doses of X-ray, spun to death in centriguges, injected with animal blood, air bubbles, exposure to syphilis, surgical removal of stomachs with the esophagus then attached to the intestines, amputation of arms and reattachment on the opposite side, gassed to death in chambers .......

The doctors experimented on children and babies, even three-day-old baby measuring the temperature with a needle stuck inside the infant's middle finger to keep it straight to prevent the baby's hand clenching into a fist.

Victims were often taken to a proving ground called Anda, where they were tied to stakes and bombarded with test weapons to see how effective the new technologies were. Planes sprayed the zone with a plague culture or dropped bombs with plague-infected fleas to see how many people would die.

White-coated Japanese medics claiming to be from a government epidemic-prevention unit would arrive saying that they were there to implement hygiene measures or to administer vaccinations. After they left, the villages would become sick.

[jeisan]

you know warshine we have many threads on comfort women and other similar topics. you should post your opinons in one of them before creating a whole new thread.

[RockLee]

mankind is the most cruel species alive...again demonstrated by these facts above...makes you feel disgusted by the things that the human species is capable off :(

[Warshrine]

What makes you even more disgusted is that some terrible ppl got away with the despicable warcrime they had committed , and the leader of that particular nation has been worshipping the war criminals for decades .

[Anachronism]

That is so sick...the baby thing really disgusted me. It's hard to believe that such evil scum can walk the earth. It sounds like a really grizzly novel, rather than real life.

[Shibuyaexpat]

mankind is the most cruel species alive...again demonstrated by these facts above...makes you feel disgusted by the things that the human species is capable off :(

Yes, but we're also capable of great love and compassion. My sincere hope is that through our dialogues, we're able to avert these types of things in the future.

[lexico]

What is yet more saddening is the fact that, instead of using what had been gotten through such cruel, inhumanity for the benefit of all mankind, the US took over the research results for military reasons while offering amnesty to at least 76 criminal doctors or medical workers of Unit 731 and similar facilities (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212671&postcount=89). This raises some serious ethical questions in the selective application of US human rights policy. Where was justice for the 10,000 who were painfully and literally slaughtered ? Where are the paper work recording the experiments ? The highly successful phramaceuticals, Green Cross Tokyo, Green Cross Kyoto, and the likes are owned and run by the butchers of IJA at 731 even today.Why was none of the 76 surviving war criminals who engaged in illegal experiments on humans put on trial and served justice according to law ? In fact they continue with their medical businesses with privilege, with immunity, holding secure jobs in government (3), the military (6), research facilities (19), universities and colleges (24), private clinics (15), pharmaceuticals (8), and other (1).

At least three of these, 內藤良一 (防疫硏究室), 北野政次(731部隊 部隊長), 大田�K猪一�ｶ(9420部隊) were involved in the sales of AIDS contaminated serum to some 2,000 patients. They currently enjoy their privileged lives as founding members and presidents of Green Cross, Green Cross Tokyo, and Green Cross Kyoto. Why are they being rewarded for their criminal behavior during WWII ? (Nanjing Peace Forum 2002)

[Kinsao]

That's really gross. :sick:

That about amputating the arm and re-attaching to opposite side... why would anyone want to do that? :? :(

[lexico]

That about amputating the arm and re-attaching to opposite side... why would anyone want to do that? :? :(I think both scientific curiosity and the possible uses of any new medical technology to further Imperial Japan's interests were at the base of such bizarre-sounding experiments. This can be seen from how much the US had taken all precautions to secure the full transmission of human expermentaion results to the US military. Anti-frost bite medicine developed by the US is known to be world class owing to the knowledge provided by the IJA medical experts who participated in the human experiments at Unit 731 etc. The hanta virus studied by Dr. Ishii in 1939 emerged during the Korean war to claim thousands of lives since. Who released the hanta ?

Neither the restrictiive rules of the Judeo-Christianity, Greco-Roman humaism ideas, nor the modern ideas of the Enlightenment were there to raise to the obvious questions: is it right to experiment on humans ?

Mary Shelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft_Shelley), in The Monster of Dr. Frankestein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein) was interested in the question, "Does the human soul reside in the human body ? What if a new person is created from the corpses of several humans post mortem ?" Had she lived in the 20th century to see those experiments, she would have had much to comment on.

What happened to the undocumented souls numbering anything between 3,000 to 20,000, whose bodies went through the slaughter house to come out mangled, charred, and disposed of in the crematory of Ha'erbin or into the Amur ? Would the sad souls not be mad at the news of Modern Japan dumping waste from the chemical weapons treatment plants more thatn 60 yrs from their tortured, premature deaths ?

[Horizon]

That is quite horrible and whatnot, true. However, it's not like the rest of humanity has done any better. So, if we should have to treat them like monsters or whatever and if they deserve punishment, the same should be said to pretty much everyone else really. Not everyone mind you, but quite a few.

Not to mention, it's in the past and one cannot change it. Also, some things they found out might just be helping us now. I was watching this one documentory and it said that Nazis found out about this one drug through their experiments which is still used quite a bit now-a-days. I can't remember which one it is though, so sorry and all.

But regardlessly, someone had to suffer in this situation really. Either the people from the past or the people now who might just need whatever information and cures they got back then.

And I really do hope all that didn't make me sound like a cold-blooded, compassionless monster...

[lexico]

And I really do hope all that didn't make me sound like a cold-blooded, compassionless monster...O, don't worry about how you might look in others' eyes, Horizon. In fact I am glad to find someone so positive about this type of research. Interested ?

Your predisposition closely fits the type of psychological profile of volunteers we have been looking for. I would like to ask for your permission to draw out some of your body parts for medical research. Just so that I stay legit, I am notifying you that such procedures may lead to undue somatic pain, psychological torment from the knowledge that it might cause you mild to severe loss of vital functions.

After your vital functions have ceased, your remains might be subject to further mutilation for continued research in the form of preserved specimens either frozen, in a bottle immersed in formaldehyde. As for your final departure, you will be either incinerated or dumped into the river when the reseach needs to be aborted and we don't even want to bother with incinerating which only consumes petrol, increases CO2 and dioxyn level, all against the Tokyo Protocol.

Another thing; rest assured your family will not be notified, and nobody is supposed to know that you died a painful death. Your contribution to the medical knowledge will benefit an unknown number of people now and in the future, but they will not know it came from a cruel study of a person who was once a member of japan reference, username Horizon, One who is pure of heart, Posts: 2,867, Join Date: 24-11-04, Age: 16, Nationality: Canadian Mix.

No one has to know because a great number of medical research was-is being-will be conducted in like manner. No one will be charged for crime against humanity or genocide because this document will be destroyed to prevent me from being tried, prosecuted, judged, and condemned, because there will be other "Horizons" who will speak on my behalf as you are doing for the criminals of Unit 731. Thank you for your contribution.

Please be comforted that you are being given a much more humane treatment all in the name of saving more lives by sacrificing yours. Please put your signature here to show that you have read and understood the terms and that you signed of your free will; once this process is done, it is undoable. :-)

edit: I forgot one detail. We don't use anesthetics because that would hamper our research. Our dedication to scientific research dictates that we observe and record your pain in vivo, as that constitutes an integral part of our research. After all, medicine needs to understand "pain" scientifically.

[Horizon]

No one will be charged for crime against humanity or genocide because this document will be destroyed to prevent me from being tried, prosecuted, judged, and condemned, because there will be other "Horizons" who will speak on my behalf as you are doing for the criminals of Unit 731. Thank you for your contribution.

You think I'm defending them? I'm not. I'm not even coming close. I'm merely stating the fact that almost every race of people has done something horribly wrong, so it's not particularly right to just bring just one group's wrong-doing up type of thing. Actually, I was pretty much just providing the other side of the argument really. I don't actually think too strongly like that. Well, on the last part there anyway.

And, besides, we do it to animals all the damn time, but not an abundunce of people give a crap. Hell, we do it (or used to...) to them just for our vainity, but, apparently, that's perfectly fine and dandy?

[lexico]

You think I'm defending them ?Your post above; that is what it boils down to. But I am glad that is not what you meant. Giving any kind of moral support (positive comment included) can be considered participating in genocide, esp. if a connection to a future genocide can be established in a court ruling on grounds of either of the following, one can also be charged for assisting geneocidal crimminal behaviour. Spreading ideas sympathetic to genocidal behaviour is no exception.

1. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/bt/cassese/intcrimlaw/ch05/1948_conv_genocide.pdf) 1948 (pdf)

2. The Geneva Conventions (http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=49&aid=65396) 1949

3. Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes (http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/pdf/warcrimes.pdf), 1970 (pdf)

4. Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/icc/statute/) 1998-1999

Hence I believe one must be very careful how to state one's idea regarding genocide, genocidal massacre, or genocidal muder.

Other than that, you make good points. I picked up a couple of books on war philosophy, historical misinformation, and genocide. Good news for you; the genocide book by Choi leaves out Japan. I think it is plainly known that quite a few countries have committed genocidal crimes; but the historical/scientific/theoretical/philosophical/legal/political studies ON GENOCIDE have begun only recently; hence an in-depth study is called for.

Arguing about War (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300103654/103-2480009-9398219?v=glance) Michael Waltzer 2004, Yale University Press, ISBN 0-300-10365-4

Lies My Teacher Told (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684818868/qid=1125252813/br=1-2/ref=br_lf_b_2//103-2480009-9398219?v=glance&s=books&n=4870) James W. Loewen 1995, Simon & Schuster, ISBN 0-684-81886-8

Genocide-The History of Massacre & Coverup (http://www.epochtimes.co.kr/news/read.php?idxno=2859&rsec=MAIN) 최호근 Choi Ho Kun 2005 hchoi21@korea.ac.kr ISBN 89-7013-527-8 03900 (sorry, Korean only)

When complaints like yours keep getting raised, the best approach is to do a comparative study with or without Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany in the picture; but this was coming anyway ! :wave:

As for the treatment of Cruelty to Animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cruelty), I really don't have a stand. I think there is some relationship between that and cruelty against humans. At the same time, I believe that that the latter deserves primary attention. I am sorry if this disappoints you. Is there some objective and legally binding system governing animal cruelty ? Still comparing Unit 731 Human Experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) with Animal Experiments (although understandable in principle) runs the danger of being disrespectful of the 3,000 to 20,000 individuals who perished as human test subjects or those who were massacred at the end of WWII as the Soviets marched into Manchuria in 1945.

[Dutch Baka]

Some information about unit 731, from our i-net bibble, wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

[lexico]

Thanks, Dutch Baka for taking the trouble to search out the link. It goes one step closer to comforting the sad souls.

[Horizon]

As for the treatment of Cruelty to Animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cruelty), I really don't have a stand. I think there is some relationship between that and cruelty against humans. At the same time, I believe that that the latter deserves primary attention. I am sorry if this disappoints you. Is there some objective and legally binding system governing animal cruelty ? Still comparing Unit 731 Human Experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) with Animal Experiments (although understandable in principle) runs the danger of being disrespectful of the 3,000 to 20,000 individuals who perished as human test subjects or those who were massacred at the end of WWII as the Soviets marched into Manchuria in 1945.

Ehhh...Well, I don't really find myself capable of thinking of animals as inferier beings whatsoever. Especially considering we ourselves are animals, are we not? Even if animals aren't as 'intelligent' as we are, I'm still pretty sure they don't deserve the treatment and attitude they recieve from the majority of people. For that matter, even if they cannot feel anymore emotion besides from anger, fear, and happiness, or something of the sort, which I highly doubt, I'm sure they still feel pain and misery and nothing that can feel those last two things there deserve to be treated so horribly and disgustingly as the animals almost always are. Except for if they did something wrong, like murdered, raped, or tortured something to death. That is, of course, the exception, although, really now, I find myself thinking only humans are capable of that though really as I don't think other animals know exactly what they're doing in these cases, unlike humans...

And it's disrespectful towards them? At least they get the sympathy they deserve...Not to mention, a lot of people wish to seek their revenge for them as well. Unlike the poor, innocent, little animals who are only being tortured and being murdered just so we can defy nature some more, as if we already haven't done that enough.


Thank you for all the information on this as well. :gomen:

EDIT: And, in reading just the beginning of the link Dutch Baka has provided, isn't America just as much to blame for these people not being punished as Japan is?

After these laboratories were destroyed by the Japanese to hide their activities, many of the scientists involved went on to prominent careers in politics, academia and business. The United States granted amnesty, allowing these scientists to go unprosecuted in exchange for their experimentation data.

Going by this paragraph of course.

[lexico]

Ehhh...Well, I don't really find myself capable of thinking of animals as inferier beings whatsoever. Especially considering we ourselves are animals, are we not? Even if animals aren't as 'intelligent' as we are, I'm still pretty sure they don't deserve the treatment and attitude they recieve from the majority of people. For that matter, even if they cannot feel anymore emotion besides from anger, fear, and happiness, or something of the sort, which I highly doubt, I'm sure they still feel pain and misery and nothing that can feel those last two things there deserve to be treated so horribly and disgustingly as the animals almost always are.

Except for if they did something wrong, like murdered, raped, or tortured something to death. That is, of course, the exception, although, really now, I find myself thinking only humans are capable of that though really as I don't think other animals know exactly what they're doing in these cases, unlike humans...Me neither; in fact I tend to believe animals are far more intelligent than what what they seem to be. A good analogy would be the case of an individual who lack at least one major means of perception/communication. Loss of vision/hearling or speech ability might make it difficult to see the true intelligence, but it is just hidden. It is amazing to get those weird moments of realisation when I see a personality, a thought (a whole lot of it) in a pet who seem to read the environment and read my language/mind/facial & bodily signals pretty accurately. As for emotions, I think they have all those you mentioned; pain and misery ? Definitely; those are the most basic emotions-- the deepest and most powerful ones in my considered opinion.

As for the criminal behavior of animals (I had a smile) I would think those who share our space NORMALLY do not attack us unless they are the wild, untamed variety that were picked up as cubs. I've also seen full-hour shows about a chiken and two crocodiles that share affection with their owners so...
Either that or the violent ones must have been sick with some behaviour-altering disease or were on drugs.And it's disrespectful towards them? At least they get the sympathy they deserve...Not to mention, a lot of people wish to seek their revenge for them as well. Unlike the poor, innocent, little animals who are only being tortured and being murdered just so we can defy nature some more, as if we already haven't done that enough. Thank you for all the information on this as well. I admire your ability to empathise with your pet rat, fish, and other animals.I think it is such a quality that makes your more humane by being able to see beyond the human race. I also hope that your insight into animal beings can somehow trickle down on us humans, too. Unless we are so vastly undeserving, that is. :blush:
As for animal cruelty, I think anyone who has seen a real animal being slaughtered will be shaken at the brutality. Death does not come easy-- there is violence, and a great struggle to avoid it, most definitely pain and agony on the animal's part. I really don't know what to say to that. Hope we can go progressively vegi-- and one day go fully vegetarian ?

But it might be unfair to force our meat lovers-- they are not violent or bad people. Just their palate have adjusted to the taste of flesh. I used to be that way when I was younger. I was almost under the idea that not having meat/animal proetein would hamper my growth or bodily funtions.
[I]sn't America just as much to blame for these people not being punished as Japan is?

Quote: Wikipedia
After these laboratories were destroyed by the Japanese to hide their activities, many of the scientists involved went on to prominent careers in politics, academia and business. The United States granted amnesty, allowing these scientists to go unprosecuted in exchange for their experimentation data. Absolutely, Horizon. That is definitely a hot project that either the Hague or another legal body must take care of in the future.

The problem the Hague is having at the moment is basically;

1. Raphael Lemkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin)'s pioneering legal framework has been numerously compromised by the UN member states that feared justice might befall them as well by adopting the full Lemkin principles. (Unfortunately Lemkin's original principles are not reflected in wikipedia, either. I shall provide the details in a separate thread to be started shortly.)

2. Ironically, the US that initially pushed for the anit-genocide legislation has backed out together with Japan, Indonesia, and Nigeria (a total of 52 states, as of Feb. 2004) not accepting the terms of

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (url=http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/bt/cassese/intcrimlaw/ch05/1948_conv_genocide.pdf), Dec. 9, 1948

while 135 states have. Of the 135 states only 70 have legislated anti-genocide laws in the respective national criminal codes.

It looks like some struggling effort ahead, but to do so, knowledge, understanding, and establishing reliable information is a prerequsite. That's why the discussion cannot be stopped. Thanks for looking into this major hole in the justice system that needs a major overhaul.

[White Comet]

yeh, we learnt about the japanese torture on prisoners in PoW camps in history. The japanese 'term' for 'sex slaves' was 'comfort women'. Japanese soldiers also did other terrible attrocities as well...