Why is it weird for a Japanese person to walk with a black person?

[Shin Asura]

I was walking with my Japanese friend at school today and there were so many Japanese students giving me bad looks. When I got home, I emailed her and asked why Japanese people don't like black people. She told me that she thinks it's because Japanese people think that cultures are supposed to stay together and not mix with one another.

Is it because Japan has been so closed to foreigners for the longest time, I think there was an Emperor that made it illegal for foreigners to visit Japan awhile ago, I guess this is still in the Japanese minds, even today.

That's pretty sad if you ask me.

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

I don't want to be a target for staring everytime I go out with my Japanese friends or maybe one day I find a Japanese girlfriend, but I'm thinking that will never happen.

[Fantt]

Don't let it get you down. Who's in the right here and who's in the wrong? If you find Japanese friends who don't mind the staring, then don't worry about it. Easy for me to say, but I used to be one of the only white kids when I was in high school and I got told plenty of times not to fool with black girls, but I do have to admit that in general the black kids I knew growing up were much cooler about the race thing than any of my white friends were.

Let em stare - be a bigger person than they are. Be proud of knowing that inside we're all the same anyways. Don't just give up.

[misa.j]

Sadly, there are a lot of Japanese people who have a hard time knowing what to do when they see foreigners or interracial couples; also I don't think a lot of Japanese people have proper etiquette that you can see in the U.S. or Europe.

On the other hand, you can meet most open-minded people in Japan sometimes.

Like Fantt said,
Don't let it get you down.

[CGPGroup]

Don't let it get you down. Who's in the right here and who's in the wrong? If you find Japanese friends who don't mind the staring, then don't worry about it. Easy for me to say, but I used to be one of the only white kids when I was in high school and I got told plenty of times not to fool with black girls, but I do have to admit that in general the black kids I knew growing up were much cooler about the race thing than any of my white friends were.

Let em stare - be a bigger person than they are. Be proud of knowing that inside we're all the same anyways. Don't just give up.

I was just checking out your pics, nice pics.

[Shin Asura]

I don't want to go to Japan and have every Japanese person stare at me and give me a disgusted glare, for one it's going to be a waste of money and two, I'll be destroyed.

Here I've been liking a culture for so long and I find out that I may not be openly welcomed there, sure I'll be able to go and interact with people, but will that person want to with me? chances are they won't.

I've really liked Japan for the longest time, but these things are starting to get to me!

Yeah I know, don't let it get you down, that's easy for you guys to say. What positive aspect is there for me to look forward to?

[Fantt]

Do you base your entire level of enjoyment on the way that people look at you? If you're not interested in seeing the sights in Japan and experiencing the culture, regardless of the way that you're stared at, then you probably don't need to be in Japan.

[okaeri_man]

I don't want to go to Japan and have every Japanese person stare at me and give me a disgusted glare, for one it's going to be a waste of money and two, I'll be destroyed.
oh cmon, it's character building for one. are you tall? maybe you remind them of bob sapp, and they're just waiting for you to do something crazy and barbaric.

i tend to be cheeky if i feel like japanese people are starring at me too much. maybe that's my australian sense of personality coming through, but i think it works. if i was in the situation where i thought everybody looked at me more than usual, i would stick a piece of paper on my back saying something like "MIRU NA, KONO NAMAIKI NIHONJIN YAROU". or maybe something not quite extreme - have a magic trick up your sleeve ready to perform at the groups of gawking onlookers. just stop in front of them, get their attention and perform a trick. at least now they'll be starring for a good reason.

[Flashjeff]

I don't want to go to Japan and have every Japanese person stare at me and give me a disgusted glare, for one it's going to be a waste of money and two, I'll be destroyed.

I've really liked Japan for the longest time, but these things are starting to get to me!

Yeah I know, don't let it get you down, that's easy for you guys to say. What positive aspect is there for me to look forward to?

Maybe I wasn't paying attention because I don't care what people think of me, but I'm African-American, and when I was in Japan in August of 2003, I had a great time, wasn't stared or glared at or anything. Even went to a concert (Pink Lady) and wasn't given the hairy eyeball, and at 6-2, I stood out like Yao Ming at a midget convention! People treated me well, from Tokyo to Yokohama to the Ginza and more, so I had no problems.

If you're gonna worry and get paranoid about being stared harshly at, you'll never get to explore the world and see its sights. People the world over are going to have their viewpoints and misconceptions about folks who are different than them, but those narrow minded individuals are a minority. Thanks to my years in the Navy, I've traveled the world over and seen many different cultures and got to interact with people who treated me well and respected me.

You can't let fear of what other people think rule your life, if they're gonna stare, then stare right back, don't let 'em see you sweat! Works for me! The positive is the chance to visit one of the truly great cities in the world that's Tokyo, it's an experience that shouldn't be missed by a Japanophile. Don't let fear keep you from experiencing the wonders of that great country!

[PopCulturePooka]

The thing I'd be more concerned about is this:

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

The fact that a girl is happy to be with you UNTIL she is seen by 'disapprving' Japanese, then she looks uncomfortable. You don't need that noise. Well done in palming them off if they are that shallow.

[Suki-Yaki]

i find what you say very irreasonable , you were walking in a country where foreign Japanese gave you a disgusted look cause you are black ..?? yeah ..??

Im sorry but this is rather funny :D :D :D :D

[chikazukiyasui]

I was walking with my Japanese friend at school today and there were so many Japanese students giving me bad looks. When I got home, I emailed her and asked why Japanese people don't like black people. She told me that she thinks it's because Japanese people think that cultures are supposed to stay together and not mix with one another.

Is it because Japan has been so closed to foreigners for the longest time, I think there was an Emperor that made it illegal for foreigners to visit Japan awhile ago, I guess this is still in the Japanese minds, even today.

That's pretty sad if you ask me.

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

I don't want to be a target for staring everytime I go out with my Japanese friends or maybe one day I find a Japanese girlfriend, but I'm thinking that will never happen.


This post is strange. Are you sure they were staring at you because you were black? Are you sure there wasn't maybe a strange message on his tee-shirt? Was your fly undone? Do you look like someone famous? Where were you? Maybe those tourists were wondering if they could talk to your friends? Why have you not spoken to your friends since?

[budd]

no. some foreigners go there strictly to date women, and they are giving ALL foreigners a bad name
some people got serious beef with the u.s. about that tourist that was killed also
so the beef may have nothing to do with being of color, but of being american

"What positive aspect is there for me to look forward to?"
don't date anyone and just enjoy the culture and the sights
the buildings are still the same
if HAPPENING to see someone dropping dirty looks, smile at them. it hurts so bad, believe me

[Uncle Frank]

Everytime I went to a small town with my girl I was stared at like I had two heads and a green body. I loved it! I used to think , this must be how it is for a rock star that was disaproved of by the older croud. Who cares what others think , enjoy the moment & the one you're with.

Frank

:blush:

[PopCulturePooka]

no. some foreigners go there strictly to date women, and they are giving ALL foreigners a bad name
some people got serious beef with the u.s. about that tourist that was killed also
so the beef may have nothing to do with being of color, but of being american

"What positive aspect is there for me to look forward to?"
don't date anyone and just enjoy the culture and the sights
the buildings are still the same
if HAPPENING to see someone dropping dirty looks, smile at them. it hurts so bad, believe me
I figure the death stare of doom, their dirty look aplified, refined and shot abck, works even better.

My fave day was when I was a bit beered up. I sat on a train, quietly and unobtrosively I might add, when an old lady that was next to me got up and MOVED a few seats down away from me. So being a bit courageous, I got up and moved back next too her. She did it again. So did I.

FUN!

[mad pierrot]

You can't let fear of what other people think rule your life, if they're gonna stare, then stare right back, don't let 'em see you sweat! Works for me! The positive is the chance to visit one of the truly great cities in the world that's Tokyo, it's an experience that shouldn't be missed by a Japanophile. Don't let fear keep you from experiencing the wonders of that great country!

I couldn't have said it better.

:cool:

[RockLee]

I figure the death stare of doom, their dirty look aplified, refined and shot abck, works even better.

My fave day was when I was a bit beered up. I sat on a train, quietly and unobtrosively I might add, when an old lady that was next to me got up and MOVED a few seats down away from me. So being a bit courageous, I got up and moved back next too her. She did it again. So did I.

FUN!hahhaa...well she didn't move because you were american, but because you prolly smelled like a beerkeg or looked like some drunk hobo :D :p

[PopCulturePooka]

hahhaa...well she didn't move because you were american, but because you prolly smelled like a beerkeg or looked like some drunk hobo :D :p
Nah. I wasn't that drunk at all.
Unoticeable in fact (and smelling on Pi by Givenchy).

Just silly enough to be able to decide to harass a racist old crone:D

Oh BTW Im aussie.

[bossel]

Just silly enough to be able to decide to harass a racist old crone:D
Whereby you probably just reinforced her prejudice.

[PopCulturePooka]

Whereby you probably just reinforced her prejudice.
Tough for her.
She reinforced some of my opinions about old people.

[Uncle Frank]

Tough for her.
She reinforced some of my opinions about old people.

Let's not go picking on us ol farts!!

"The Crazy Ol Guy"

Frank

:D :blush:

[budd]

"She reinforced some of my opinions about old people."
people there just don't like to sit next to each other on trains period
i seen plenty of japanese guys get up and move down or away from each other, and they looked close in age + didn't smell (as far as i could tell)
most lucky that old woman didn't have no heart attack and the other folks call the police (as a result)

[sgt. Pepper]

I don't know anyone in Sweden that likes to sit next to people on busses etc either. If there is two seats somewhere, don't sit next to me. X( Unless it's a cute girl..

[Timsan]

Everytime I went to a small town with my girl I was stared at like I had two heads and a green body. I loved it! I used to think , this must be how it is for a rock star that was disaproved of by the older croud. Who cares what others think , enjoy the moment & the one you're with.

Frank

:blush:

Frank makes the best point in my opinion.

Just be proud of who you are, be proud of your skin color, be proud of your ethnicity. **** the simpletons who have a problem with inter-racial relationships, just know that you are a better person then those who look down upon you.

[Mishima_Kazuya]

oro..orororoo.! if i were out with a jap gurl and ppl were sdtaring at us in a way that i did not like i would get up and challenge then then 1 guy would come up to me and evey1 would crown around and we would b standing there then some1 would yell fight and the jump up and put my heel in his mouth knock his teth out! :D and he would fall to the floor K.O. then all the other ppl crownding around would pick up knifes bottles anything to beat me with then i would grab the gurl starting running with her thn a couple of them would catch up id tell her to stay back then i would take then out with a few deadly combos like the law in tekken 3 u cant fk with me hahahahah! :D :D :D hen we would run jump on a nice clean jap train with no1 on it then it would start raining and all the intensity would make her crazy!!! wink wink ahhaha. then we go back jap apartment hahah "say WTF!"

[bossel]

Tough for her.
Well, she'll probably tell others about it. Such stuff goes round & it will come back to you & maybe others with darker skin (if she makes a racial issue of it). Maybe you should think a bit into the future before harassing people, even if you're "a bit beered up." Sometimes it's a nice move to be a bit reserved.

[PopCulturePooka]

"She reinforced some of my opinions about old people."
people there just don't like to sit next to each other on trains period
i seen plenty of japanese guys get up and move down or away from each other, and they looked close in age + didn't smell (as far as i could tell)
most lucky that old woman didn't have no heart attack and the other folks call the police (as a result)
We are talking Japan. You SIT next to people. You have crotchs and arses mushed into you. You have people sleep on your shoulder. One guy in a suit is NOT offensive here.


Well, she'll probably tell others about it. Such stuff goes round & it will come back to you & maybe others with darker skin (if she makes a racial issue of it). Maybe you should think a bit into the future before harassing people, even if you're "a bit beered up." Sometimes it's a nice move to be a bit reserved.I give back whats given to me. Why be reserved? Why let her win her petty little games?

[bossel]

Why be reserved?
You really don't understand, do you? Oh well...

[PopCulturePooka]

You really don't understand, do you? Oh well...
She showed no reserve. She acted rude in the first place. If you're trying to hint that in Japan people are reserved than how does it explain her?




Not that I believe the whole 'Japanese are resevred' stereotype is true.

[budd]

"She acted rude in the first place."
what did she say?
what did she do?

[PopCulturePooka]

I see getting up and moving away for no real good reason after glowering at me and clutching her bag rude.

[budd]

was it the first time she got up? or the second or third?

[bossel]

I see getting up and moving away for no real good reason after glowering at me and clutching her bag rude.
So what? I don't really see your problem with it. Maybe you really smelled "beery" or looked like a drunkard? Or she simply disliked your clothing.
Can't see why it should be necessarily racist motivated.

Even if it was racist, so what? With your behaviour you only reinforced any racial prejudice, as I said before. Behaving politely & respectfully may have done the opposite. You may have even asked her politely if you'd done anything wrong.
Although, considering you being "beered up", probably the best move would have been just to let it be.

[Tateishi]

I figure the death stare of doom, their dirty look aplified, refined and shot abck, works even better.

My fave day was when I was a bit beered up. I sat on a train, quietly and unobtrosively I might add, when an old lady that was next to me got up and MOVED a few seats down away from me. So being a bit courageous, I got up and moved back next too her. She did it again. So did I.

FUN!

That sounds pretty harmless to me, don't know what all the fuss is all about. Would have been funny to watch.

[cyber ape]

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

Well, I can't speak for Japan, so I really don't know. I never had a problem with anyone, until I moved here. Now, I really, really DESPISE caucasians. Of course, I look Caucasian, so everbody thinks I'm just a contradicting self-hating fool. Oh well.

[PopCulturePooka]

was it the first time she got up? or the second or third?
First time. As soon as I sat down she clutched her bag close, hesitated and jittered off.

So what? I don't really see your problem with it. Maybe you really smelled "beery" or looked like a drunkard? Or she simply disliked your clothing.
Can't see why it should be necessarily racist motivated. My clothing was a simplky HORRID business suit. You know, that HORRIBLE style people wear in business or too look professional? The real offensive stuff.
Reagrding drunkness. I had a FEW beers that night. I was not parlytic exposing myself spew drunk. I was 'well I am working early tomorrow but Japanese business ettiquette dictates when staff ask you too come drinking you politley have a beer or two and leave' drunk. As in not very. Heightend courage. More than likely still under the Australian legal driving BAC of 0.05% alcohol. Like I said earlier imperceptible.
No I only see ONE reason she moved. I = not Japanese.

Even if it was racist, so what? With your behaviour you only reinforced any racial prejudice, as I said before. Behaving politely & respectfully may have done the opposite. You may have even asked her politely if you'd done anything wrong.Can't speak very good Japanese too ask her.
And like I said, HER behaviour reinforced my perception of aged people, particularly Japanese aged. And she acted FIRST.

I'm not an arsehole. Today I was on the courtesy seat of the train. Where I was there 6 seats. All taken. Me, two 20'ish girls, a young middle aged women, a schoolboy and a salaryman. An old guy got on the train, cane and hobble included. Walked to the courtesy seats. Out of the 6 who was the one that got up and agve up his seat? Clue for the dense: It wasnt the schoolboy, the salaryman or the three women.

Although, considering you being "beered up", probably the best move would have been just to let it be.Meh.

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

Well, I can't speak for Japan, so I really don't know. I never had a problem with anyone, until I moved here. Now, I really, really DESPISE caucasians. Of course, I look Caucasian, so everbody thinks I'm just a contradicting self-hating fool. Oh well.
So, I get called for sitting next to a racist old bat, but a guy says he hates caucasians, especially men that talk to asian girls, even ones not his 'blood' and no-one says a word? Is this a bit odd to anyone else?

So we caucasians seemed damned if we do, damned if we dont. If we 'hit on' an asian girl, even one that may WANT too be hit on you want to stop them? Yet if we ignored a girl talking to us someone would be bleating that we are rude and racist for not wanting to talk too them. Win-win right here!


Another train story from tonight. Happened on a later train to the getting up for the old guy train. Stepped onto the train into a carriage of high school girls. The less 'innocent' looking type mainly. Now I had my punk style hair today (not I did NOT have that hair during the old lady incident). As in big spikes of hair using gel. As soon as I step on the train I here gasps and giggles from the schoolgirls. Look up and some are looking at me. I smile then put my head down and start listening to music. A few seconds later I feel something touching my hair. look up to see one of the braver girls touching my spikes. She pulls back but I'm like 'daijyobu' and suddenly I have a pack of schoolgirls molesting my punk hairstyle and asking me questions. Quite a highlight for the day.

Now, Mr C Ape. would you want to stop that?

[sgt. Pepper]

Cyber ape: Wtf, what did i do? O__o

[Shin Asura]

no. some foreigners go there strictly to date women, and they are giving ALL foreigners a bad name
some people got serious beef with the u.s. about that tourist that was killed also
so the beef may have nothing to do with being of color, but of being american

"What positive aspect is there for me to look forward to?"
don't date anyone and just enjoy the culture and the sights
the buildings are still the same
if HAPPENING to see someone dropping dirty looks, smile at them. it hurts so bad, believe me

Thanks for the advice, I'll try.

This post is strange. Are you sure they were staring at you because you were black? Are you sure there wasn't maybe a strange message on his tee-shirt? Was your fly undone? Do you look like someone famous? Where were you? Maybe those tourists were wondering if they could talk to your friends? Why have you not spoken to your friends since?

If not that then why did the girls I was with react the way they did. They obviously were having trouble dealing with our walking by the Japanese tourists.

I don't wear strange t-shirts.

No, that never happens to me. I always double and triple check it when I'm out.

No, I look like myself, the reason they stared at us is because I was black and the girls I was with were Japanese.

I was at the MGM hotel

No, I think they had enough Japanese girls in their group that they didn't need to talk to the girls I was with.

They were obviously uncomfortable with me being out with them. When I first met them at school, they seemed interested in knowing me. Don't really know someone until you get out in the public eye.

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Most Japanese don't encounter racism because they never go outside of Japan, a lot don't even know what the word means. Only the few that come to the US and are able to live here for awhile encounter it.

People in this thread that say it's funny or this thread doesn't make sense will never understand what it's like for a black, latino, or any minority individual.

Before you make a silly remark, you need to check and triple check what you're going to say so it does not sound offensive to other people.

[bossel]

So, I get called for sitting next to a racist old bat, but a guy says he hates caucasians, especially men that talk to asian girls, even ones not his 'blood' and no-one says a word? Is this a bit odd to anyone else?
Not too odd. For you, there is still hope. But this ape seems slightly beyond reason.

[PopCulturePooka]

Not too odd. For you, there is still hope. But this ape seems slightly beyond reason.
Actually, after reading some other posts by the ape, some things don't add up. At all.

EG:

Here (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146349&postcount=135)

Well, I've only been to Okinawa for a week and to Tokyo, well, for only one day, so I know little of Japan, but I do watch the little Japanese programming I receive here and everytime I watch it I just wanna cry. I'm like,"They treat it like life, I treat it like paradise." Seriously, although I was only 7, going to Japan was just great. Unfortunately since I'm not only HALF Japanese(which, I don't really look Japanese, but I'm still 50% and thus act it), so I look more like a gaijin, but since I've been here I've had to re-learn the language. Anyways, all I've ever seen is how great atleast Tokyo is. OK, so, granted it may be difficult finding work, mainly because my parents have no interest in going and don't know anything of the language, but even so. I just love my country. So he hates any caucasians but he isn't a 'full blood' Japanese? Self loathing?

Here (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146354&postcount=95) he shows taht he deosn't even know what a Japanese futon is.

This post (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146358&postcount=234) speaks volumes itself, particularly things like:
Manga & Anime: Of course! Seriously, I can't find a single Jap who DOESN'T like one or the other. I mean, they come in all genres for all ages. I don't see why there'd be an opposition, cept by gaijins totally misinterpreting anime. "Why's their hair blue? " *ugh*
which is a blatant untruth

or here:

Video games: They started it all! Again, all ages, all genres. I am an absolute DDR FREAK! I remember when I first played DDR in Tokyo. I sucked and was laughed at, but then when I found the local American Arcade got it I tried it. Again no good, but then Playstation had it, and THAT did it.
Japan didn't did they?

Japanese language: Well, I love it because of the way it sounds, but the sentence structure always made me mad. I like the language, but I wish they'd invent words instead of just taking ours. I know they're foreign but even so. Nobu? Key? Dooru? Takshii? Come on!Wait is he Japanese or not? Now he is referring to Japanese as they, not we. And foreigners, which make him angry, as ours and we. WTF?

Japanese food: Man, even the ignorant gaijins I have to put up with every day love Japanese food. *sigh* yet he seems very much to be one himself.

Plus why is continuously referring to himself or other Japanese as Japs? Somethings not right with the ape.


Oh and bossel I resent the implication in your post that I am racist. I am FAR FAR FAR from racist. For whats its worth I was arrested at a protest in Australia, protesting AGAINST a racist xenophobic politican. I just have a low tolerance for stupid or annoying people, regardless of race or creed.

[bossel]

Oh and bossel I resent the implication in your post that I am racist.
There was no such implication. I usually don't imply anything.

[cyber ape]

"Now, Mr C Ape. would you want to stop that?"

If I saw a man with spiked hair, I too would likely be enticed to touch, or atleast marvel. Either way, I'd be more at ease in Japan, mainly because I wouldn't be as unhappy there as I am here.

"So he hates any caucasians but he isn't a 'full blood' Japanese? Self loathing?"

You know, I never said the other half. For all you know I could be 50 % Japanese, 50 % Indian. If you must know, I'm 50 % Japanese, 25 % Greek, 20% Caucasian, 5% Egyptian. I don't care if it's self-loathing or not. I will unabashedly say that I highly DISLIKE Caucasians.

"Cyber ape: Wtf, what did i do? O__o"

Nothing?

"Here he shows taht he deosn't even know what a Japanese futon is."

So? I didn't know of Doraemon until August...

"Japan didn't did they?"

'Fraid so. Konami is a Japanese company.

"sigh* yet he seems very much to be one himself."

I'm a foreigner?

"Plus why is continuously referring to himself or other Japanese as Japs? Somethings not right with the ape."

I apologize if I don't believe in the racial ephitet. Firstly because it is the associative term used by the majority of my friends, mainly to infringe on the fact that it is often misconstrued as a racial comment, but also because, you wouldn't say ,"I am a Japanese." You say "I am Japanese" or "I am a Jap."

[seimeinogakusei]

You know, I never said the other half.
Hmm...that's odd your sig in your profile says:
"Ugh, I'm a round-eyed, white Jap in America, whom no one believes is Japanese at all. What could possibly be worse?"

Am I missing something here?

I don't care if it's self-loathing or not. I will unabashedly say that I highly DISLIKE Caucasians.
You know that's really sad. So, I guess that means you don't like that parent with Caucasian bloodline. What you said is far from healthy. Really, you have got to learn to accept yourself.

I'm a foreigner?
Didn't you say you went to Japan? I have no idea if you noticed, but being of mixed ancestry kind of makes you a foreigner. You did say you have Greek, Caucasian, and Egyptian ancestry. None of which are native to Japan, therefore, you are considered a foreigner.

I apologize if I don't believe in the racial ephitet. Firstly because it is the associative term used by the majority of my friends, mainly to infringe on the fact that it is often misconstrued as a racial comment, but also because, you wouldn't say ,"I am a Japanese." You say "I am Japanese" or "I am a Jap."
I suppose that is no different than how some blacks in the US use a certain derogatory word amongst each other. However, I must warn you some Japanese people (my friend included) detest such words. So, be careful of who you use that word around.

[Kei_Shugojin]

"Now, Mr C Ape. would you want to stop that?"

If I saw a man with spiked hair, I too would likely be enticed to touch, or atleast marvel. Either way, I'd be more at ease in Japan, mainly because I wouldn't be as unhappy there as I am here.

"So he hates any caucasians but he isn't a 'full blood' Japanese? Self loathing?"

You know, I never said the other half. For all you know I could be 50 % Japanese, 50 % Indian. If you must know, I'm 50 % Japanese, 25 % Greek, 20% Caucasian, 5% Egyptian. I don't care if it's self-loathing or not. I will unabashedly say that I highly DISLIKE Caucasians.

"Cyber ape: Wtf, what did i do? O__o"

Nothing?

"Here he shows taht he deosn't even know what a Japanese futon is."

So? I didn't know of Doraemon until August...

"Japan didn't did they?"

'Fraid so. Konami is a Japanese company.

"sigh* yet he seems very much to be one himself."

I'm a foreigner?

"Plus why is continuously referring to himself or other Japanese as Japs? Somethings not right with the ape."

I apologize if I don't believe in the racial ephitet. Firstly because it is the associative term used by the majority of my friends, mainly to infringe on the fact that it is often misconstrued as a racial comment, but also because, you wouldn't say ,"I am a Japanese." You say "I am Japanese" or "I am a Jap."

1. What does that have to do with the relationships between caucasians and asians? Why do you even care what race they are so long as their feelings are real? This isn't rape or molestation etc., so there's no reason to get angry over it. So quit making comments like that before you make somone (i.e., me) sick.

2. Now, why do you DISLIKE Caucasians? Did you have a bad experience with each and every single caucasian on the planet that caused you to dislike them? That'd be pretty damn difficult, I think.

3. No comment, as I really don't know what's going on with that conversation.

4. again, no comment.

5. Now, I'm sorry, but you are blatantly wrong about that. The first video games were released in america.

The very first video game was called "Spacewar", and was developed by Steve Russell as an add-on to a television to make it better than all other televisions. This game was eventually updated later in the future and re-released with simplified controls as "Asteroids".

The first arcade games were made by an american based company called "Service Games", headed up by a Korean war veteran named David Rosen. This company was later sold/relocated (I can't really remember, and I don't have the time/patience to dig up my old paper on the subject). This company was named "SEGA".

Let's not forget Atari, Magnavox, Coleco, and others. The main reason that video games are based in Japan right now is that the Famicom rejuvenated the business after the video game crash of the early 1980s, in which most american based companies went into a steep decline. And even after that, American companies kept making games.

So, I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong on that.

for more info, go to this site- http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/video/hov/index.html

6. I believe he's referring to the fact that you are claiming to defend the interests of Japanese, without really being one. Now, no offense, but that would be a little bit like a white person talking from a personal perspective about how blacks are mistreated. It comes off as arrogant.

7. Well, I don't know if you know this, but "Jap" was a derrogatory term used by american troops to refer to the Japanese during WWII, so it shouldn't be used lightly, unless of course you like offending people who might know what it really means.

[sgt. Pepper]

"Cyber ape: Wtf, what did i do? O__o"

Nothing?



Why do you dislike me then?
:souka:

[cyber ape]

"Why do you dislike me then?"

I do?

"Am I missing something here?"

There are people of white complexion in every country.

"You know that's really sad. So, I guess that means you don't like that parent with Caucasian bloodline. What you said is far from healthy. Really, you have got to learn to accept yourself."

I accept myself just fine. So what if I don't like the parent of Caucasian bloodline? There isn't a rule saying in order to live life to the fullest you must love either of your parents.

"Didn't you say you went to Japan? I have no idea if you noticed, but being of mixed ancestry kind of makes you a foreigner. You did say you have Greek, Caucasian, and Egyptian ancestry. None of which are native to Japan, therefore, you are considered a foreigner."

So, even though the majority of my blood is Japanese and I was born in Okinawa, I'm a foreigner? Damn, that sucks.

"So, be careful of who you use that word around."

I'm highly aware. I really only call myself and my friends "that word".

"1. What does that have to do with the relationships between caucasians and asians? Why do you even care what race they are so long as their feelings are real? This isn't rape or molestation etc., so there's no reason to get angry over it. So quit making comments like that before you make somone (i.e., me) sick."

Well, perhaps mad wasn't the right word. This really has more to do with my past. I've moved on past this infantile block, but you'd really have to know more about my life to know why I get the way I do around Caucasians.

"2. Now, why do you DISLIKE Caucasians? Did you have a bad experience with each and every single caucasian on the planet that caused you to dislike them? That'd be pretty damn difficult, I think."

I never specified the quantity of Caucasians. I guess I'll just have to be literal around this place. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians. Actually, I don't even mean that. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia.

"5. Now, I'm sorry, but you are blatantly wrong about that. The first video games were released in america."

What are you talking about? I didn't say the first video games weren't, I said DDR was invented in Japan. Iuno what you're babbling about :?

"6. I believe he's referring to the fact that you are claiming to defend the interests of Japanese, without really being one. Now, no offense, but that would be a little bit like a white person talking from a personal perspective about how blacks are mistreated. It comes off as arrogant."

I talk about how African Americans are being mistreated all the time XD. Look, when I say we, I'm talking about the people. If I were in India, would I say "They have great food, weather, government, entertainment, etc"? No! I'd say "WE", although I'm not the least bit Indian.

"7. Well, I don't know if you know this, but "Jap" was a derrogatory term used by american troops to refer to the Japanese during WWII, so it shouldn't be used lightly, unless of course you like offending people who might know what it really means."

I'm well aware of that. I apologize if I like to give it a more coherent, less racial meaning -_-

And by the way, why are you all trying to gang-up on me? I signed up here so I could meet and talk about Japan and the Japanese, not so I could enter a one-sided exploiting war.

[Kei_Shugojin]

"Why do you dislike me then?"

I do?

"Am I missing something here?"

There are people of white complexion in every country.

"You know that's really sad. So, I guess that means you don't like that parent with Caucasian bloodline. What you said is far from healthy. Really, you have got to learn to accept yourself."

I accept myself just fine. So what if I don't like the parent of Caucasian bloodline? There isn't a rule saying in order to live life to the fullest you must love either of your parents.

"Didn't you say you went to Japan? I have no idea if you noticed, but being of mixed ancestry kind of makes you a foreigner. You did say you have Greek, Caucasian, and Egyptian ancestry. None of which are native to Japan, therefore, you are considered a foreigner."

So, even though the majority of my blood is Japanese and I was born in Okinawa, I'm a foreigner? Damn, that sucks.

"So, be careful of who you use that word around."

I'm highly aware. I really only call myself and my friends "that word".

"1. What does that have to do with the relationships between caucasians and asians? Why do you even care what race they are so long as their feelings are real? This isn't rape or molestation etc., so there's no reason to get angry over it. So quit making comments like that before you make somone (i.e., me) sick."

Well, perhaps mad wasn't the right word. This really has more to do with my past. I've moved on past this infantile block, but you'd really have to know more about my life to know why I get the way I do around Caucasians.

"2. Now, why do you DISLIKE Caucasians? Did you have a bad experience with each and every single caucasian on the planet that caused you to dislike them? That'd be pretty damn difficult, I think."

I never specified the quantity of Caucasians. I guess I'll just have to be literal around this place. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians. Actually, I don't even mean that. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia.

"5. Now, I'm sorry, but you are blatantly wrong about that. The first video games were released in america."

What are you talking about? I didn't say the first video games weren't, I said DDR was invented in Japan. Iuno what you're babbling about :?

"6. I believe he's referring to the fact that you are claiming to defend the interests of Japanese, without really being one. Now, no offense, but that would be a little bit like a white person talking from a personal perspective about how blacks are mistreated. It comes off as arrogant."

I talk about how African Americans are being mistreated all the time XD. Look, when I say we, I'm talking about the people. If I were in India, would I say "They have great food, weather, government, entertainment, etc"? No! I'd say "WE", although I'm not the least bit Indian.

"7. Well, I don't know if you know this, but "Jap" was a derrogatory term used by american troops to refer to the Japanese during WWII, so it shouldn't be used lightly, unless of course you like offending people who might know what it really means."

I'm well aware of that. I apologize if I like to give it a more coherent, less racial meaning -_-

And by the way, why are you all trying to gang-up on me? I signed up here so I could meet and talk about Japan and the Japanese, not so I could enter a one-sided exploiting war.


"I accept myself just fine. So what if I don't like the parent of Caucasian bloodline? There isn't a rule saying in order to live life to the fullest you must love either of your parents."

Do you hate your relative simply because he's white? or is it for some other reason? Yes, there isn't a rule against hating your parents, but it seems rather strange when the reason is "They're white", rather thatn "They left me and my mother when I was a kid to hold up a drug habit", or something along those lines.

"Well, perhaps mad wasn't the right word. This really has more to do with my past. I've moved on past this infantile block, but you'd really have to know more about my life to know why I get the way I do around Caucasians."

Y'know, I get real mad when people go "You have to know more about my life" as an excuse for their behavior. And you obviously aren't over it, so quit acting like that.

"I never specified the quantity of Caucasians. I guess I'll just have to be literal around this place. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians. Actually, I don't even mean that. I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia."

Then specify that next time, rather than making a blanket statement. Think before you type. And, just for the record, there are bad people everywhere, regardless of race. My friends and I have met some pretty mean hispanic gangs around where I live (Texas), but I don't go making a blanket statement saying "I hate all Hispanics", simply because I've had some bad experiences in the past. That's just childish.

"What are you talking about? I didn't say the first video games weren't, I said DDR was invented in Japan. Iuno what you're babbling about :?"

Well, you were talking about video games being made in Japan. That was taken to mean that the Japanese invented video games, rather than just rejuvenating the industry after the early 1980's and the video game crash.

"I talk about how African Americans are being mistreated all the time XD. Look, when I say we, I'm talking about the people. If I were in India, would I say "They have great food, weather, government, entertainment, etc"? No! I'd say "WE", although I'm not the least bit Indian."

but you're not in Japan. You're in America. So quit acting like you're a freedom fighter of some kind.

"I'm well aware of that. I apologize if I like to give it a more coherent, less racial meaning -_-"

Why do you use the term, anyway? If I knew you, I'd be afraid to take you out in public for fear of you offending someone. Just watch your mouth.

"And by the way, why are you all trying to gang-up on me? I signed up here so I could meet and talk about Japan and the Japanese, not so I could enter a one-sided exploiting war"

I'm sorry, but you started making racial comments, as well as other offensive and arrogant remarks that would more than likely piss alot of people off. We're not ganging up on you. We're just defending ourselves by refuting your remarks. Would you be happier if we just concurred and said "You're right. All Caucasians should die." and went home and commited suicide? Well, go somewhere else then, because most NORMAL people don't tolerate that.

[Kenshin89]

Wow...I never really thought there was racism outside the US until I saw this...never really thought about it actually.

[seimeinogakusei]

"I highly dislike the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia."
Ah, so you know the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia. Okay...I'm guessing by that statement you meant the majority of Caucasians you've come in contact with while in Georgia.


And by the way, why are you all trying to gang-up on me? I signed up here so I could meet and talk about Japan and the Japanese, not so I could enter a one-sided exploiting war.
Kei_Shugojin basically said what I was thinking...except for that ending. That was a bit extreme, but I got the point. You can't expect people to just nod and agree to everything you say. Besides, what made this a one-sided exploiting war? I don't remember waging war against you or anyone else here...care to explain that one?

Wow...I never really thought there was racism outside the US until I saw this...never really thought about it actually.
Of course there is. Racism is a horrible little thing that spreads through ignorance. I could name a good amount of countries with the problem, but that's another story and would go completely off the initial topic.

[ffrost_nova622]

I was walking with my Japanese friend at school today and there were so many Japanese students giving me bad looks. When I got home, I emailed her and asked why Japanese people don't like black people. She told me that she thinks it's because Japanese people think that cultures are supposed to stay together and not mix with one another.

Is it because Japan has been so closed to foreigners for the longest time, I think there was an Emperor that made it illegal for foreigners to visit Japan awhile ago, I guess this is still in the Japanese minds, even today.

That's pretty sad if you ask me.

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

I don't want to be a target for staring everytime I go out with my Japanese friends or maybe one day I find a Japanese girlfriend, but I'm thinking that will never happen.
fully racism...jst ignore them n keep walking n if they come up n insult them kill em all! muhahahaha

[Kei_Shugojin]

It's something that I thought would die out eventually, but it appears to be a human trait to discriminate based on generalizations and false beliefs. Here's my opinion: No race is any better than the other. The only things that determine the quality of a human being is what's inside his heart. I know that sounds rather corny, but it's true. I've never based my opinion on someone based on their skin color. I've usually looked them over to determine what they may be like, based on how they dress/groom themselves (key words: MAY be like), then I develope my opinion after I've talked to them.

It's difficult to develope that as a habit, but it's much easier in the long run.

Now I don't know where some people get off saying "I have Japanese blood. I am superior." That reminds me a great deal of the Nazis, with "I have German blood. I am superior." That sort of attitude never bodes well with anyone. It doesn't matter wether you're German, Japanese, American, whatever. It doesn't matter where you were born and raised. It doesn't matter where you live. All humans were created with equal potential, no matter what they're made of. We're all Human.

So, to all you racist persons out there, I'll just say...

Deal with it.

[Ma Cherie]

Racism is everywhere, it could be worse in some parts of world than it is in the U.S.

Now, these rumors about how japanese people view blacks is beginning to disturb me. I'm not trying to start anything here, but how do japanese people view blacks.

I would really like to know. :?

[Bob in Iowa]

In my opinion, racism is a manifestation of the fear and loathing resulting from ignorance. Individually, it can be overcome through one person learning to appreciate the humanity of others. Collectively, it becomes more difficult when the ignorance within a group thrives on itself.

[budd]

"I would really like to know."
there are about five or six threads with the same topic at jref
it gets asked about once a semester it seems like, along with various other ethnicities used in the place of "black"
and as posted in those same threads (and within this one as well), they are the same as anybody not of japanese blood (excepting the b or the indigenous a)
gl hth

[cyber ape]

"Do you hate your relative simply because he's white? or is it for some other reason? Yes, there isn't a rule against hating your parents, but it seems rather strange when the reason is "They're white", rather thatn "They left me and my mother when I was a kid to hold up a drug habit", or something along those lines."

Did I say I hated my relative(s) because they're white? No, I did not. I don't care that they're white, it's how they act.

"Y'know, I get real mad when people go "You have to know more about my life" as an excuse for their behavior. And you obviously aren't over it, so quit acting like that."

Um, I AM over it. It was a facet that lasted all of about 3 days. And, if you must know, I've gone through the typical hero-to-zero scenario, where I was leading a fine life until I moved to this god-forsaken city. So, there, I hope you're happy I told you unnecessary-to-know info. Of course, if it's not enough, I couldn't care less. Either way, I'm over that infantile situation.

"Then specify that next time, rather than making a blanket statement. Think before you type. And, just for the record, there are bad people everywhere, regardless of race. My friends and I have met some pretty mean hispanic gangs around where I live (Texas), but I don't go making a blanket statement saying "I hate all Hispanics", simply because I've had some bad experiences in the past. That's just childish."

I suppose the word "exaggeration" perplexes you. I don't know every single Caucasian within the state of Georgia, so why would you assume I meant so? And, the reason why I made a statement so tribal is simple because it's a recurring theme. I may not know every Caucasian within the state or city for that matter, but humans like to assume, even if their assumption is off.

"Well, you were talking about video games being made in Japan. That was taken to mean that the Japanese invented video games, rather than just rejuvenating the industry after the early 1980's and the video game crash."

OK, I'm still behind on this. All I was saying was THE FIRST DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION ARCADE GAME CREATED BY KONAMI ORIGINATED IN JAPAN BEFORE ANY OTHER COUNTRY! I'm not saying the Japanese WERE THE VERY FIRST RACE TO CREATE A VIDEO GAME OR CONSOLE, I'm saying THEY CREATED THE DANCING EXTRAVAGANZE KNOWN AS DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION.

"but you're not in Japan. You're in America. So quit acting like you're a freedom fighter of some kind."

How am I acting like I'm a freedom fighter? Because I said I stand up for African American's rights often? What is with you people? I don't literally go picketting on the side-walk with signs reading,"Help our poor Africans!" Just, every now and then when the topic comes up I just give a pithy point-of-view.

"Why do you use the term, anyway? If I knew you, I'd be afraid to take you out in public for fear of you offending someone. Just watch your mouth."

Because it's not a term. It is not only an associative term used AMONG MY FRIENDS ONLY, but it is used to make sentences sound more correct.

"I'm sorry, but you started making racial comments, as well as other offensive and arrogant remarks that would more than likely piss alot of people off. We're not ganging up on you. We're just defending ourselves by refuting your remarks. Would you be happier if we just concurred and said "You're right. All Caucasians should die." and went home and commited suicide? Well, go somewhere else then, because most NORMAL people don't tolerate that."

Oh what, because I said I dislike Caucasians all the caucasians within the forum have to get in my face? You know, all I stated was my personal dislike; that's it. Notice I gave no examples as to why, unelss you count my scenario of them "picking in on chicks." I didn't say anything over-the-edge or racy, just that I disliked white people. Um, I don't want to be right you fool, I'm just saying that I dislike white people interacting with the asian opposite sex. Of course, I've grown past that now, but even so, you have a huge megalomaniacal problem. Well, I guess it'd be easier to call you blind. I see I can no longer safely give my opinion without someone complaining. It offends you huh? How do you think I feel having to quote all you guys who won't just go elsewhere?

"Oh, so you know the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia. Okay...I'm guessing by that statement you meant the majority of Caucasians you've come in contact with while in Georgia."

Nothing gets by you huh sleuth?

"Kei_Shugojin basically said what I was thinking...except for that ending. That was a bit extreme, but I got the point. You can't expect people to just nod and agree to everything you say. Besides, what made this a one-sided exploiting war? I don't remember waging war against you or anyone else here...care to explain that one?"

dude, what are your problems? I didn't ask for anyone to agree. I stated my opinion, not as if it were fact or as if to persuade or gain followers. Quit misconstruing things so badly. I don't much like being framed -_-. Oh yeah, one sided = in my favor ;)

Now to get back on topic, no, there isn't anything wrong with you hanging out with a Japanese person.

[Kei_Shugojin]

"Do you hate your relative simply because he's white? or is it for some other reason? Yes, there isn't a rule against hating your parents, but it seems rather strange when the reason is "They're white", rather thatn "They left me and my mother when I was a kid to hold up a drug habit", or something along those lines."

Did I say I hated my relative(s) because they're white? No, I did not. I don't care that they're white, it's how they act.

Then why did you admit to hating your caucasian relatives? Why didn't you specify that?

"Y'know, I get real mad when people go "You have to know more about my life" as an excuse for their behavior. And you obviously aren't over it, so quit acting like that."

Um, I AM over it. It was a facet that lasted all of about 3 days. And, if you must know, I've gone through the typical hero-to-zero scenario, where I was leading a fine life until I moved to this god-forsaken city. So, there, I hope you're happy I told you unnecessary-to-know info. Of course, if it's not enough, I couldn't care less. Either way, I'm over that infantile situation.

What is so friggin bad about your city that you have to act like it's a vice? Everybody has problems, okay? Not just you. You sound like the rich kid who's dad lost most of his money and is now complaining about having to live in the Blue-collar family lifestyle.

"Then specify that next time, rather than making a blanket statement. Think before you type. And, just for the record, there are bad people everywhere, regardless of race. My friends and I have met some pretty mean hispanic gangs around where I live (Texas), but I don't go making a blanket statement saying "I hate all Hispanics", simply because I've had some bad experiences in the past. That's just childish."

I suppose the word "exaggeration" perplexes you. I don't know every single Caucasian within the state of Georgia, so why would you assume I meant so? And, the reason why I made a statement so tribal is simple because it's a recurring theme. I may not know every Caucasian within the state or city for that matter, but humans like to assume, even if their assumption is off.

I know the word "exaggeration" very well. I was pointing out that you couldn't make a blanket statement about every caucasian within the state of Georgia, even though that's exactly what you were doing. How you missed what I'm saying, I don't know. :okashii:

"Well, you were talking about video games being made in Japan. That was taken to mean that the Japanese invented video games, rather than just rejuvenating the industry after the early 1980's and the video game crash."

OK, I'm still behind on this. All I was saying was THE FIRST DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION ARCADE GAME CREATED BY KONAMI ORIGINATED IN JAPAN BEFORE ANY OTHER COUNTRY! I'm not saying the Japanese WERE THE VERY FIRST RACE TO CREATE A VIDEO GAME OR CONSOLE, I'm saying THEY CREATED THE DANCING EXTRAVAGANZE KNOWN AS DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION.

*ahem* I believe your quote was that the Japanese made video games. Nothing more, nothing less. So quit trying to say that you said something else, okay? It's just childish and it doesn't belong on this forum. By the way, I don't know if you noticed this, but your caps lock button got stuck.

"but you're not in Japan. You're in America. So quit acting like you're a freedom fighter of some kind."

How am I acting like I'm a freedom fighter? Because I said I stand up for African American's rights often? What is with you people? I don't literally go picketting on the side-walk with signs reading,"Help our poor Africans!" Just, every now and then when the topic comes up I just give a pithy point-of-view.

Actually, I was talking about some of your earlier comments, where you kept saying that caucasians treat asians like crap (which wasn't true) when you were part caucasian yourself. And I stated an example. Then you went off trying to change the subject. No, I don't criticize you for standing up for African-American rights. I do the same thing. What I do criticize is your statements about caucasians which are unfounded/untrue. You sounded like a member of the Neo-Nazis trying to make statements about how Jews are dangerous.

"Why do you use the term, anyway? If I knew you, I'd be afraid to take you out in public for fear of you offending someone. Just watch your mouth."

Because it's not a term. It is not only an associative term used AMONG MY FRIENDS ONLY, but it is used to make sentences sound more correct.

Why don't you try using something else, rather than something that was/is a racial insult against the japanese? And how the hell did you make friends? If your social skills are like this in real life, I don't know why anyone would want to be around you, much less befriend you.

"I'm sorry, but you started making racial comments, as well as other offensive and arrogant remarks that would more than likely piss alot of people off. We're not ganging up on you. We're just defending ourselves by refuting your remarks. Would you be happier if we just concurred and said "You're right. All Caucasians should die." and went home and commited suicide? Well, go somewhere else then, because most NORMAL people don't tolerate that."

Oh what, because I said I dislike Caucasians all the caucasians within the forum have to get in my face? You know, all I stated was my personal dislike; that's it. Notice I gave no examples as to why, unelss you count my scenario of them "picking in on chicks." I didn't say anything over-the-edge or racy, just that I disliked white people. Um, I don't want to be right you fool, I'm just saying that I dislike white people interacting with the asian opposite sex. Of course, I've grown past that now, but even so, you have a huge megalomaniacal problem. Well, I guess it'd be easier to call you blind. I see I can no longer safely give my opinion without someone complaining. It offends you huh? How do you think I feel having to quote all you guys who won't just go elsewhere?

first question: yes. Typically when someone starts making comments about you or your group, the natural instinct is to fight back. You wouldn't sit by while people started making racial comments about Asians, would you? And that wasn't stating a "personal dislike". That was (bum bum BUM!!!) a racial remark, because you put forth an example of a situation where you described one race as generally evil, and the other as generally apathetic/good. That in and of itself was over-the-edge/racy. "I dislike White People" is similar to if someone said "I dislike Asians" or "I dislike Hispanics". And it sounds to me like you are FAR from being past your problems. I don't see how you could call me blind, when you seem to be the bigot here. If you don't like it when people defend themselves against YOUR comments, then you should leave.

"Oh, so you know the majority of Caucasians within the state of Georgia. Okay...I'm guessing by that statement you meant the majority of Caucasians you've come in contact with while in Georgia."

Nothing gets by you huh sleuth?

what's with your attitude, by the way? Did your parents teach you to act this way to everyone else?

"Kei_Shugojin basically said what I was thinking...except for that ending. That was a bit extreme, but I got the point. You can't expect people to just nod and agree to everything you say. Besides, what made this a one-sided exploiting war? I don't remember waging war against you or anyone else here...care to explain that one?"

dude, what are your problems? I didn't ask for anyone to agree. I stated my opinion, not as if it were fact or as if to persuade or gain followers. Quit misconstruing things so badly. I don't much like being framed -_-. Oh yeah, one sided = in my favor ;)

You know those people on online shooter games, like Halo, who go "I'm gonna kick your ***!" or "I'm so bad!", get into the game, turn out to suck, cop out halfway through, then go "Hey! I was just kidding! I'm not really that good!"? For some reason, I'm reminded of that.

Now to get back on topic, no, there isn't anything wrong with you hanging out with a Japanese person.

Then what is with your last several comments?




My responses are every third paragraph.

[cyber ape]

"Then why did you admit to hating your caucasian relatives? Why didn't you specify that?"

Sorry, I kinda forgot what this was all about, so, I don't recall ever needing to. Sry, I kinda moved on past this.

"What is so friggin bad about your city that you have to act like it's a vice? Everybody has problems, okay? Not just you. You sound like the rich kid who's dad lost most of his money and is now complaining about having to live in the Blue-collar family lifestyle."

It IS a vice. I'm aware everyone has problems. I'm not the Sun King. And, that scenario is only half-right. I moved here because my family had a lack of money, but I still have brains. And, I didn't know I was complaining. Sry, I really kinda moved past this.

"I know the word "exaggeration" very well. I was pointing out that you couldn't make a blanket statement about every caucasian within the state of Georgia, even though that's exactly what you were doing. How you missed what I'm saying, I don't know."

Um, I didn't literally mean every caucasian within the state.

"*ahem* I believe your quote was that the Japanese made video games. Nothing more, nothing less. So quit trying to say that you said something else, okay? It's just childish and it doesn't belong on this forum. By the way, I don't know if you noticed this, but your caps lock button got stuck."

It did? Hmm, it doesn't appear so. Anyways, I may have said that at one time, but last I checked the focus was on Dance Dance Revolution. If you want to focus on the fact that I said the Japanese invented them, go ahead, because I'm not.

"Actually, I was talking about some of your earlier comments, where you kept saying that caucasians treat asians like crap (which wasn't true) when you were part caucasian yourself. And I stated an example. Then you went off trying to change the subject. No, I don't criticize you for standing up for African-American rights. I do the same thing. What I do criticize is your statements about caucasians which are unfounded/untrue. You sounded like a member of the Neo-Nazis trying to make statements about how Jews are dangerous."

So what if I'm part Caucasian? Wait, this is where you're going to call me a hypocrite. Look, I don't recall saying Caucasians treat Asian like crap, but even if I did so what? How would you know? Last I checked you don't live in Augusta, GA. If I'm making the caucasians sound "dangerous" I apologize, but it really seems like you're just demonizing me, something I will not tolerate. I already said I have nothing against Caucasians, except a minor grudge with the(ahem, caution: exaggeration ahead) Caucasians in the city of Georgia.

"Why don't you try using something else, rather than something that was/is a racial insult against the japanese? And how the hell did you make friends? If your social skills are like this in real life, I don't know why anyone would want to be around you, much less befriend you."

Because, I don't know if this is just me, but my friends will use insults as compliments. For example, if I'm defeated at DDR by my friend I will often tell him,"You suck!" Why would I say he sucks if he defeated me? It's more of a compliment. Similarly, when we play Yu-Gi-Oh! often whenever one of us pulls an unforseen maneuver we will chant something to the affect of profanity, but since me and my best friend are Asians, we are often called "slant-eyes" for foiling their plans and often winning the duel. I've already explained that Jap is used to fix sentences, not as a racial slur. Of course, where I live and once lived, there were no Japanese people(there, happy?) to get offended. How did I make friends? Simple; I'm a great guy. I really am. But bonkotsus such as yourself always have to bombard me with stupid comments. I don't walk around screaming racial slurs or profanity or egotistical remarks(yes, bonkotsu was rather egotistical, but what can I say? Kaiba, Seto left an influence on me). It's only among my friends, and generally behind closed doors.

"first question: yes. Typically when someone starts making comments about you or your group, the natural instinct is to fight back. You wouldn't sit by while people started making racial comments about Asians, would you? And that wasn't stating a "personal dislike". That was (bum bum BUM!!!) a racial remark, because you put forth an example of a situation where you described one race as generally evil, and the other as generally apathetic/good. That in and of itself was over-the-edge/racy. "I dislike White People" is similar to if someone said "I dislike Asians" or "I dislike Hispanics". And it sounds to me like you are FAR from being past your problems. I don't see how you could call me blind, when you seem to be the bigot here. If you don't like it when people defend themselves against YOUR comments, then you should leave."

Um, people say they dislike Asians all the time. Yes I don't say anything, because it's their right. I'm not going to beat them up physically or verbally just because they dislike my kind. Now, if they raise too much of an ignorant stink I might teach them a little lesson about Asian importance to American society, but never would I turn a molehill into a mountain about you just because some guys said,"I hate them damn slanted-eyes pickin up our chicks. They're not that great." And, even if I admit I'm over my problem, you still believe I'm behind? Get a clue, to quote Kaiba, Seto. I apologize that I offended you(yet you seem far away from giving me any form of condolenses), but the fact still remains that I dislike the majority of Caucasians that I've met here in the city of Augusta, GA.

"what's with your attitude, by the way? Did your parents teach you to act this way to everyone else?"

I apologize if I like to exploit the stupid. It's something I've been doing for years because jerks like you wouldn't leave me alone. I'm not called the undefeated exploiting champion for nothing. I'm not egotistical, I'm not racist, and I'm not mean. Of course, you probably see absolutely falseness in that, but it's true. I apologize if you think of me likethat, but I cannot stand my ground against stupid people. And, I know "there are stupid people every state and we all dislike people in some way." I'm aware. I'm simply stating I personally do not like those of a fickle mind, take that as you will.

"You know those people on online shooter games, like Halo, who go "I'm gonna kick your ***!" or "I'm so bad!", get into the game, turn out to suck, cop out halfway through, then go "Hey! I was just kidding! I'm not really that good!"? For some reason, I'm reminded of that."

me too, considering I came in here just to post, and then people thinking they're too good tried to make me look like some *****, and now look what's happened. Role reversal.

"Then what is with your last several comments?"

You know, if you're just gonna keep this up I'll let you have this post. Seriously, I'd better not here one more word. I'm sure you'll be more than overjoyed when I leave this particular post, but seriously, for the future, try not to raise such a stink, because it's just that; a stink. Nobody will want to be around you and you'll look bad. It appears that even a fool can't catch a cold.

[Kei_Shugojin]

"Then why did you admit to hating your caucasian relatives? Why didn't you specify that?"

Sorry, I kinda forgot what this was all about, so, I don't recall ever needing to. Sry, I kinda moved on past this.

"What is so friggin bad about your city that you have to act like it's a vice? Everybody has problems, okay? Not just you. You sound like the rich kid who's dad lost most of his money and is now complaining about having to live in the Blue-collar family lifestyle."

It IS a vice. I'm aware everyone has problems. I'm not the Sun King. And, that scenario is only half-right. I moved here because my family had a lack of money, but I still have brains. And, I didn't know I was complaining. Sry, I really kinda moved past this.

"I know the word "exaggeration" very well. I was pointing out that you couldn't make a blanket statement about every caucasian within the state of Georgia, even though that's exactly what you were doing. How you missed what I'm saying, I don't know."

Um, I didn't literally mean every caucasian within the state.

"*ahem* I believe your quote was that the Japanese made video games. Nothing more, nothing less. So quit trying to say that you said something else, okay? It's just childish and it doesn't belong on this forum. By the way, I don't know if you noticed this, but your caps lock button got stuck."

It did? Hmm, it doesn't appear so. Anyways, I may have said that at one time, but last I checked the focus was on Dance Dance Revolution. If you want to focus on the fact that I said the Japanese invented them, go ahead, because I'm not.

"Actually, I was talking about some of your earlier comments, where you kept saying that caucasians treat asians like crap (which wasn't true) when you were part caucasian yourself. And I stated an example. Then you went off trying to change the subject. No, I don't criticize you for standing up for African-American rights. I do the same thing. What I do criticize is your statements about caucasians which are unfounded/untrue. You sounded like a member of the Neo-Nazis trying to make statements about how Jews are dangerous."

So what if I'm part Caucasian? Wait, this is where you're going to call me a hypocrite. Look, I don't recall saying Caucasians treat Asian like crap, but even if I did so what? How would you know? Last I checked you don't live in Augusta, GA. If I'm making the caucasians sound "dangerous" I apologize, but it really seems like you're just demonizing me, something I will not tolerate. I already said I have nothing against Caucasians, except a minor grudge with the(ahem, caution: exaggeration ahead) Caucasians in the city of Georgia.

"Why don't you try using something else, rather than something that was/is a racial insult against the japanese? And how the hell did you make friends? If your social skills are like this in real life, I don't know why anyone would want to be around you, much less befriend you."

Because, I don't know if this is just me, but my friends will use insults as compliments. For example, if I'm defeated at DDR by my friend I will often tell him,"You suck!" Why would I say he sucks if he defeated me? It's more of a compliment. Similarly, when we play Yu-Gi-Oh! often whenever one of us pulls an unforseen maneuver we will chant something to the affect of profanity, but since me and my best friend are Asians, we are often called "slant-eyes" for foiling their plans and often winning the duel. I've already explained that Jap is used to fix sentences, not as a racial slur. Of course, where I live and once lived, there were no Japanese people(there, happy?) to get offended. How did I make friends? Simple; I'm a great guy. I really am. But bonkotsus such as yourself always have to bombard me with stupid comments. I don't walk around screaming racial slurs or profanity or egotistical remarks(yes, bonkotsu was rather egotistical, but what can I say? Kaiba, Seto left an influence on me). It's only among my friends, and generally behind closed doors.

"first question: yes. Typically when someone starts making comments about you or your group, the natural instinct is to fight back. You wouldn't sit by while people started making racial comments about Asians, would you? And that wasn't stating a "personal dislike". That was (bum bum BUM!!!) a racial remark, because you put forth an example of a situation where you described one race as generally evil, and the other as generally apathetic/good. That in and of itself was over-the-edge/racy. "I dislike White People" is similar to if someone said "I dislike Asians" or "I dislike Hispanics". And it sounds to me like you are FAR from being past your problems. I don't see how you could call me blind, when you seem to be the bigot here. If you don't like it when people defend themselves against YOUR comments, then you should leave."

Um, people say they dislike Asians all the time. Yes I don't say anything, because it's their right. I'm not going to beat them up physically or verbally just because they dislike my kind. Now, if they raise too much of an ignorant stink I might teach them a little lesson about Asian importance to American society, but never would I turn a molehill into a mountain about you just because some guys said,"I hate them damn slanted-eyes pickin up our chicks. They're not that great." And, even if I admit I'm over my problem, you still believe I'm behind? Get a clue, to quote Kaiba, Seto. I apologize that I offended you(yet you seem far away from giving me any form of condolenses), but the fact still remains that I dislike the majority of Caucasians that I've met here in the city of Augusta, GA.

"what's with your attitude, by the way? Did your parents teach you to act this way to everyone else?"

I apologize if I like to exploit the stupid. It's something I've been doing for years because jerks like you wouldn't leave me alone. I'm not called the undefeated exploiting champion for nothing. I'm not egotistical, I'm not racist, and I'm not mean. Of course, you probably see absolutely falseness in that, but it's true. I apologize if you think of me likethat, but I cannot stand my ground against stupid people. And, I know "there are stupid people every state and we all dislike people in some way." I'm aware. I'm simply stating I personally do not like those of a fickle mind, take that as you will.

"You know those people on online shooter games, like Halo, who go "I'm gonna kick your ***!" or "I'm so bad!", get into the game, turn out to suck, cop out halfway through, then go "Hey! I was just kidding! I'm not really that good!"? For some reason, I'm reminded of that."

me too, considering I came in here just to post, and then people thinking they're too good tried to make me look like some *****, and now look what's happened. Role reversal.

"Then what is with your last several comments?"

You know, if you're just gonna keep this up I'll let you have this post. Seriously, I'd better not here one more word. I'm sure you'll be more than overjoyed when I leave this particular post, but seriously, for the future, try not to raise such a stink, because it's just that; a stink. Nobody will want to be around you and you'll look bad. It appears that even a fool can't catch a cold.

2. Do you think you're the ONLY one put into bad situations? Come on. When people like you start complaining, it offends others who may be /have friends who are in a worse situation and getting by. So what if your family doesn't have that much money? People get by in other ways. And you say you have brains? Then how did you manage to piss everyone else off when (as you've been saying) that wasn't your intent?

3. When you make a blanket statement, that's what you mean. When you say "Every caucasian in the state of Georgia", you mean "Every caucasian in the state of Georgia". This isn't the "good ol' days", pal. People don't look over generalizations that easily.

4. Sounds like you need to make new friends if they're calling you "slant-eyes" for being part Japanese. :okashii:

5. Well, it seems to me like you wouldn't just sit by. Judging from your actions here, that's not your personality type. You'd probably get into a heated argument until someone with authority came along, banned you, and then you'd try saying that you were just "stating your opinions in a heated manner". And about that, why don't you find some other generalization to use on those guys. There's obviously something similar between these guys besides skin color. Are they all Klu Klux Klan members or something? I know that I dislike most of the Southern Baptists that I've met based on their attitudes torwards me for being agnostic, but then again, one of my best friends is baptists. So I'm not going to go around saying "I hate all Baptists" because it simply isn't true. To repeat a common phrase (one which I think you should hear more often), "Watch your friggin' mouth!!" Thank you.

6. undefeated exploiting world champion? That sounds like a self-imposed title to me. Egotistical? You sure seem that way. Racist? your comments in one way or another have been geared torwards the theme "caucasians are evil". Mean? You're too weak in mind and grammar skills to be mean on these forums, so definitely not here. I don't know how you are in real life, though, so maybe you just act this way on forums. Plus, there's nothing hard about standing your ground against "stupid people", unless you have an even greater lack of intelligence than the "stupid person" you're arguing against. And I don't think anybody likes those of a fickle mind, so there's no point in that statement.

7. no, no, no. You came in making racial remarks, people fought back, and we turned out to be too much for you to handle. Why don't you go to one of those racial supremacy forums? You'd probably handle yourself much more easily there.

8. You're the one who "raised a stink" here. And, instead of apologizing for the misunderstanding, or retracting your comments, you tried to convince people you said something else, and argued it to the death like an ignorant "Schweinhund" (little referrence to my own north german blood there. See? I can do it too). And, yes, just to answer your question, I will be glad to see you leave. You added nothing intelligent to this conversation, and you've wasted my time.

[cyber ape]

"2. Do you think you're the ONLY one put into bad situations?"

Hmm, somebody didn't read. I'm well aware that I'm not, and quite honestly, I'm not really in a bad situation. Well, I suppose I can't say that, but even so, I don't much complain about it.

"Come on. When people like you start complaining, it offends others who may be /have friends who are in a worse situation and getting by. So what if your family doesn't have that much money? People get by in other ways."

Dude, I don't care we don't have much money. We're not on welfare, we're not poor, we have a nice frig, tv, ps2, etc etc, so quite clearly we're leaving a mediocre life, monetary-wise too.

"And you say you have brains? Then how did you manage to piss everyone else off when (as you've been saying) that wasn't your intent?"

Fool, that has to do with YOUR brains, not my own. It wasn't my intent to piss people off but to state my opinion on the question, which Iwill not quote because I feel someone as "wise" as you already knows it. You chose to get angry at me because you were defending your race, which is fine, except I didn't know I was offending anyone. I've already apologized, but you don't seem to be doing anything, cept trying to win a war when you've but an empty gunshell.

"3. When you make a blanket statement, that's what you mean. When you say "Every caucasian in the state of Georgia", you mean "Every caucasian in the state of Georgia". This isn't the "good ol' days", pal. People don't look over generalizations that easily."

Do you live in literal world? When somebody says,"I'd kill for*insert name of desire*" they would not literally kill for that item. If someone says "Holy crap!", they do not literally mean a holy piece of feces, now do they? There are things in the English language known as figures of speech, hyperboles, exaggerations, lies, and mostly, vernacular, or modern-day speech. People don't really mean what they say, they just exaggerate to get the point through. If someone says they'd kill to get a pair of shoes, they will not kill a person just to get those shoes.

"4. Sounds like you need to make new friends if they're calling you "slant-eyes" for being part Japanese."

Somebody likes to make posts without reading. You know what that's called? Well, since I share a grand economy with words(don't get cocky, you have a sexual economy with words), I don't know what that's called, but it certainly shows the true you. They don't call me a slanted-eye because I'm Japanese, they call me it because I'm their friend. Sure, I am Japanese, thus it started, but even so, I've known them for over 4 years now, and they're not the kind of people who'd betray me. We're all great friends, and so even if they were racist against my kind, I wouldn't care less, especially since if they were racist, they wouldn't be talking to me.

"5. Well, it seems to me like you wouldn't just sit by."

So, I tell you I'd sit by yet you don't believe me?

"Judging from your actions here, that's not your personality type."

You're judging skills enduce a great yawn from me.

"You'd probably get into a heated argument until someone with authority came along, banned you, and then you'd try saying that you were just "stating your opinions in a heated manner"."

You certainly like to make me look infantile. I'm not a little kid I hope you know. I don't argue. If someone agrees fine. If not that's cool too. Why would somebody argue? You shouldn't be persuading people. Socrates made people think, so persuasion kills his whole purpose. You're great at assuming.

"And about that, why don't you find some other generalization to use on those guys. There's obviously something similar between these guys besides skin color. Are they all Klu Klux Klan members or something?"

Sorry, I'm not sure if you're talking about my friends or Georgians. My friends are not all white in the least. As for Georgians, yes, you nailed it on the head. Unfortunately, the place where I live(Augusta, GA) has not yet forgotten about the Civil War, a war based on(well, one of the few bases) slave's freedom. So, not only are there rebel flags everywhere, but there are indeed KKK members. Sure, they're not terrorists like they once were, but just go to the high school, find a kid in camoflague, and ask if he knows the grand wizard. Chances are, the kid will say,"I am him." That is how bad it is here. And, no, I'm not complaining; I'm stating the facts that I've seen with my own eyes. And, since you like to bring this up, I'M PERFECTLY AWARE PEOPLE HAVE IT BAD OFF. THAT'S NOT THE DISCUSSION BAKA!

"I know that I dislike most of the Southern Baptists that I've met based on their attitudes torwards me for being agnostic, but then again, one of my best friends is baptists. So I'm not going to go around saying "I hate all Baptists" because it simply isn't true."

Too bad I don't like any Caucasian males within GA huh?

"To repeat a common phrase (one which I think you should hear more often), "Watch your friggin' mouth!!" Thank you."

Why? You don't live here? Are you Georgian? Did I insult a baptist? Look, I'll say this once more. I apologize to all whom I have offended. If you're still offended, may I consider emotional therapy.

"6. undefeated exploiting world champion? That sounds like a self-imposed title to me. Egotistical? You sure seem that way."

Did I say world? Whoops, I just meant undefeated exploiting champion(never been to Singapore before). Well, it's an unofficial title, but I still have it and am reknowned for it. I don't believe in egotism. Sry bro, that's just not cool. You'll never catch me saying "ore" :cool:

"Racist? your comments in one way or another have been geared torwards the theme "caucasians are evil"."

Dude, what is your problem? You can't just group things into categories then deny everything else. I never once said Caucasians were evil, nor do I think they are. I said I disliked them. Stop trying to take me out to be a racist.

"Mean? You're too weak in mind and grammar skills"

Wait, did I just see "grammar skills." You know, I can stand insults, but when it's insults that I cannot be bested in, I'll get pissed. My grammar skills are superb, and it's quite clear my vocab far surpasses your own. I can't say you have an economy with words(oh, crap, I already did XD), but seriously, what's so atrocious about them that you had to exploit? We're both mediocre; you're not on a hierarchy bud :balloon:

"to be mean on these forums, so definitely not here. I don't know how you are in real life, though, so maybe you just act this way on forums."

No, I just act this way when dolts like you try to exploit me. I don't see it as me being mean, I see it as a challenge. Since you challenged me, I'm obligated to defeat you, and quite clearly I've done so. So, I wasn't trying to prove a point or be right, I was just trying to defeat you. Just keep putting up your shields on "blanket statements"(you know, there are better word choices out there, my grammatical sage-like scholar) and "people have it worse off" and "you've offended me and are egotistical." Try reading before posting.

"Plus, there's nothing hard about standing your ground against "stupid people","

Did I say there was? The only hard part is having to watch them squirm. People don't admit defeat any more.

"7. no, no, no. You came in making racial remarks, people fought back, and we turned out to be too much for you to handle."

Yeah, don't bother reading *coughrolereversalwhatthen?cough*

"Why don't you go to one of those racial supremacy forums? You'd probably handle yourself much more easily there."

You see? You have an idiocy problem. I am not a racial supremacist. I do not have races ranked from best to worst or most supreme to less. It's all by chance how a certain person acts, so ranking the entire race would be unfair. Look, I'll say this once more, unless another one of your stupid quotes pops up: I dislike the majority of caucasians within the city of Augusta, GA. Majority means most, not all. Stop trying to take it like I hate all Caucasians within GA, because I just re-stated it. Ignoring what I just re-stated would just make you a sheer neo-conservative-resembling fool. I don't think caucasians are evil, and I do not care if they do not like me because of my race, because anybody who dislikes others because of their race alone is a fool. Oh wait, this is where you're going to say "But you dislike white's because of their skin and/or the belief they all act the same." Wrong. It's only by chance that the MAJORITY of Caucasians I've met here act too similar for my liking, but even so, I don't dislike them because of their skin(there are whites in every country, even in Africa), and although they seem to act alike, that's just by chance. Everybody's different.

"8. You're the one who "raised a stink" here."

You're going to make me vomit. I stated my opinion. Tell me, what were the next few posts? Oh yeah! *I'm running out of synonyms and am too lazy to go to webster* Dorks like you(oh well, I tried) bombarding me with idiotic statements and complaints. Now, I'm done apologizing, because I've done that enough, but you shouldn't have said anything. I wasn't making your race look stupid or evil, I was saying so against a certain selection of males, none of which are in this forum to get offended. Calm down, and read better.

"And, instead of apologizing for the misunderstanding,"

OK, now you're just pushing it. I've apologized, I'm guessing around 4 times. Try counting, or better yet, leaving me alone.

"or retracting your comments,"

I'd stop exploiting you for this one, cept I wanna see what other stupid things you'll say, just so I can pent up enough dislike for you. I don't like disliking others, but this just draws the line. I've retraced my comments several times. I've apologized, explained I dislike(new word, no longer hate) the MAJORITY(new word, no longer ALL) the Caucasians within Augusta(no longer all of GA), GA. I've retraced several times pal, yet you refrain from repenting for being so rude to me.

"you tried to convince people you said something else, and argued it to the death like an ignorant "Schweinhund" (little referrence to my own north german blood there. See? I can do it too)."

Because, you guys are too literal. I don't mean everything I said, as stated above earlier. I mean, if I said I had a Parallel rare Chaos Emperor Dragon-Envoy of the End in English, would you believe me just because I said it? Of course not. Although this contradicts my point at the beginning, the fact still remains you're blowing everything out of proportion by acting like exaggeration doesn't exist. Well it does; welcom to the new America; where the English language isn't what it used to be.

"And, yes, just to answer your question, I will be glad to see you leave. You added nothing intelligent to this conversation, and you've wasted my time."

You're just like Bill O'Reilly. You don't listen to anything I say, then you act like you're supreme. Then when I prove you wrong you'll say a bunch of crap, then to throw me into a double pit so to speak, you'll label me fellatious titles and make me out to be somebody I'm not. This is likethe 20th time it's happened, and nobody's ever been right. People like you are the reason I don't like THE MAJORITY OF GEORGIANS. You don't listen to anything I say, then act like your words are words of the Heavens. You are not a king and you do not have divine right. Learn your place sako

[PopCulturePooka]

^^^ did not read ^^^


So Cyber Monkey?

Why does a caucasian guy talking to a Japanese girl offend you so much?

[cyber ape]

^^^ did not read ^^^


So Cyber Monkey?

Why does a caucasian guy talking to a Japanese girl offend you so much?

There aren't any Japanese girls where I live, and it doesn't offend me any more. It only did because I got that feeling that most minorities and/or foreigners get of "what does he have that I don't" or simple "what's so great about him?" Sure, race doesn't matter, it's just a double coincedence. One, he's Caucasian, which, ever since I've been here I haven't gotten along with a single caucasian. Secondly because he's not my friend. If my friend hooks up with a girl I like, I'll be mad but I'll still be his friend. This was just a stranger. Sure, she's not"mine" nor did I have any intention of hooking up with her, I just don't see why she'd rather have a Caucasian than a Korean(and, I'm not Korean, I'm just saying Koreans are better than Caucasians IMO). Anyways, I'm over that now, I'm just tired of seeing girls go out with bad guys. That's always been my problem; girls have terrible judgment where I live. Oh, before somebody yells at me I'd better say the majority of girls here have bad judgment.

So, my problem is simply because I feel for girls, especially Asians, because there are few Asians around here, and although the only ones are Koreans, which I am not, they're still my family in some way.

W/e, I plan on getting out of here ASAP, hopefully to a place that is overcrowded(literally) with Japanese people.

[TwistedMac]

so you've got/had a bad case of jealousy or is it that you don't like caucasians and are jealous of them every time they get some and you don't?

[PopCulturePooka]

There aren't any Japanese girls where I live, and it doesn't offend me any more. It only did because I got that feeling that most minorities and/or foreigners get of "what does he have that I don't" or simple "what's so great about him?"Maybe a better attitude. You have STRONG feelings of race. Likely it shows.

Sure, race doesn't matter, it's just a double coincedence. One, he's Caucasian, which, ever since I've been here I haven't gotten along with a single caucasian.Thats irrelevant.

This was just a stranger. Sure, she's not"mine" nor did I have any intention of hooking up with her, I just don't see why she'd rather have a Caucasian than a Korean(and, I'm not Korean, I'm just saying Koreans are better than Caucasians IMO).I dunno. Damn. Maybe cause thats what she wants?
And Koreans are better than caucasians? Why? Basis? Examples? Proof? Or are you you just bleating racist statements again?


Anyways, I'm over that now,Obviously you aren't.

I'm just tired of seeing girls go out with bad guys.So caucasians = bad guys?

That's always been my problem; girls have terrible judgment where I live. Oh, before somebody yells at me I'd better say the majority of girls here have bad judgment.You're looking at rule of averages here too. Whats the ratio of caucasians to asians where you live? That seriously affects the rates of match ups.

So, my problem is simply because I feel for girls, especially Asians, because there are few Asians around here, and although the only ones are Koreans, which I am not, they're still my family in some way.Its their lives, their mistakes, their actions. What about all the girls taht are happy with Caucasians hmmm?

Oh and another thing Cyber Primate.

You said you're half Japanese? Funny. That you look white? Cool.

You know then that you will NEVER be accepted as Japanese in Japan? You will be as much a foreigner as I am? You will be still denied entry to some bars and onsens. Still be offered forks at restaurants because its assumed you cant use chopsticks. Still be stared at on the train. Still need to own a gaijin card all your life. Still have people patronisingly say your Japanese is great because you can say 'sumimasen'.

You say taht your other half isn't caucasian? If its another asian heritage it may be even worse for you then. A girl at my school LOOKs and sounds japanese. Yet when it came to pass that she was half Korean she became the subject of A LOT of taunting and bullying at school.

You can try and identify yourself as Japanese as much as you want, but if you really are a white looking half Japanese then in the eyes of a good many full Japanese people you aren't Japanese and never will be. You are as much a foreigner as the evil caucasians like me. Welcome to our club, sodas are on the table.

[TwistedMac]

Still need to own a gaijin card all your life.
gaijin card is so cool.. I can't wait to get mine...

[PopCulturePooka]

gaijin card is so cool.. I can't wait to get mine...
It is kinda fun.

I hope to smuggle mine out the country when I leave in February.

[TwistedMac]

you can't bring it with you if you don't smuggle it? DAYM!
I was planning on having that as my memento once I got there and back :/

[PopCulturePooka]

you can't bring it with you if you don't smuggle it? DAYM!
I was planning on having that as my memento once I got there and back :/
No from what I've heard you're meant to hand it in at the airport when you leave for good.

So I'm leaving on a return ticket!!!

[TwistedMac]

hehe, nice one ;)

thanks for the heads up, now I know what to do ^^

[King of Tokyo]

I just don't see why she'd rather have a Caucasian than a Korean(and, I'm not Korean, I'm just saying Koreans are better than Caucasians IMO)

You are just as bad as these members of the KKK you hate so much. You have just actually stated that one race is better than another. Which is not possible. I pride myself on fighting for the rights of minorities, while being white myself (Well, 75/25 White/Black, But I looke white) and I do come across these a**holes who dislike minorities, and it makes me hate them, not because they're white, but because they're racist. You are officially a racist, to actually claim one race is superior to another, that is a racist. You are disgusting. As much as I find myself to be constantly defending Asians, Blacks and all non-whites every time I come in contact with some redneck who thinks he can blame his problems on a minority, you are just as bad, if not worse, to say something like that.

Congratulations, You're an idiot.

[Kei_Shugojin]

You are just as bad as these members of the KKK you hate so much. You have just actually stated that one race is better than another. Which is not possible. I pride myself on fighting for the rights of minorities, while being white myself (Well, 75/25 White/Black, But I looke white) and I do come across these a**holes who dislike minorities, and it makes me hate them, not because they're white, but because they're racist. You are officially a racist, to actually claim one race is superior to another, that is a racist. You are disgusting. As much as I find myself to be constantly defending Asians, Blacks and all non-whites every time I come in contact with some redneck who thinks he can blame his problems on a minority, you are just as bad, if not worse, to say something like that.

Congratulations, You're an idiot.


Amen, man. :cool:

[cyber ape]

"Maybe a better attitude. You have STRONG feelings of race. Likely it shows."

I don't have strong feelings of race at all. I mean, at school I call one of my friends whitey, but that's just a nickname. I don't go around the school calling every white person a cracker and using other derragatory terms against other races.

"I dunno. Damn. Maybe cause thats what she wants?"

Good for her. I didn't stop her. I just watched.

"And Koreans are better than caucasians? Why? Basis? Examples? Proof? Or are you you just bleating racist statements again?"

No, I'm saying they're better because of their qualities, their moral values, their beliefs, etc. Of course, I can't seem to say anything without you fools saying,"What? You mean the entire race applies to this one statement?" I don't mean ALL Asians are great, because I've met numerous Asians to whom I wouldn't give friendship to for my life. However, when comparing Caucasians to Asians, Asians surpass them in most of the generic sections. If you wish to know what I mean by generic sections, I'd be happy to tell you.

"Obviously you aren't."

And why not?

"So caucasians = bad guys?"

No, because in some way, everyone is a villain, and everyone is an antagonist. Some are bad, some aren't. Just because I said bad guys does not mean I targeted caucasians for that, just bad males in general.

"You're looking at rule of averages here too. Whats the ratio of caucasians to asians where you live? That seriously affects the rates of match ups."

Where I live, for every 3 people, there is 1 white, 1 African American, 1 Asian, and quite literally.

"Its their lives, their mistakes, their actions. What about all the girls taht are happy with Caucasians hmmm?"

I'm aware. I'll let my family live as they wish as evidenced by the fact that I did nothing and said nothing about when the Korean girl was around the Caucasian male. If I really was some bigot like you all take me out to be, I would've stormed up to them and in a booming voice said something along the lines of,"What are you doing? Get away from him! He's not worth it!" Of course, what I REALLY did was just play DDR and watch. Not one word about the two of them was uttered from my mouth. And, I don't care if she's happy or not with them, because as I said, I'M ALREADY OVER IT!

"Oh and another thing Cyber Primate.

You said you're half Japanese? Funny. That you look white? Cool.

You know then that you will NEVER be accepted as Japanese in Japan?"

Funny, because quite a few Japanese people know I'm Japanese and treat me as their own. Maybe you know different people.

"You will be as much a foreigner as I am?"

Of course, but that doesn't change the fact I was born in Okinawa, have friends and family within several places in Japan, and have Japanese blood. Just because I'm not full-blooded doesn't make me unaccepted.

"You will be still denied entry to some bars and onsens."

They have full-blooded Japanese-only bars? Any pics?

"Still be offered forks at restaurants because its assumed you cant use chopsticks."

I have my own set of chopsticks ^^

"Still be stared at on the train."

Well, when I visited Japan for a short while I wasn't started at in the least. Well, not in a weird way. Everynow and then somebody might just be starin off into space. I didn't have a wacky hairdo, I wasn't writing kanji on a big sheet of canvas, I was just sitting down.

"Still need to own a gaijin card all your life."

They have Gaijin cards? Why do you need a card to show you're not from Japan? Sounds patronizing to me.

"Still have people patronisingly say your Japanese is great because you can say 'sumimasen'."

Not really? Of all the japanese people within Japan I talked to, nobody was super impressed that I spoke Japanese. And they said I had the accent and sentence structure dead-on. Seriously, we know some different people.

"You say taht your other half isn't caucasian? If its another asian heritage it may be even worse for you then."

Um, I said it earlier. Half Japanese(50), 1/4th Greek(25), American(20), Egyptian(5).

"A girl at my school LOOKs and sounds japanese. Yet when it came to pass that she was half Korean she became the subject of A LOT of taunting and bullying at school."

Not at my school, where the only people who know I'm Japanese are 1. My friends and 2. People who actually know how a Japanese man(sorry, wouldn't want to say Jap and offend anyone) acts.

"You can try and identify yourself as Japanese as much as you want, but if you really are a white looking half Japanese then in the eyes of a good many full Japanese people you aren't Japanese and never will be."

Again, we know different people. Everyone I've known(and not just said hi to, I mean really well known) says they see the Japanese in me, including quite a few Japanese people.

"You are as much a foreigner as the evil caucasians like me. Welcome to our club, sodas are on the table."

Well, I'd have to look up the word foreigner, because although I wasn't raised there, I was still born there. Whatever, thanks for the sodas :balloon:

"You are just as bad as these members of the KKK you hate so much. You have just actually stated that one race is better than another."

Preference, not superiority. Get it right ;)

"Which is not possible. I pride myself on fighting for the rights of minorities, while being white myself (Well, 75/25 White/Black, But I looke white) and I do come across these a**holes who dislike minorities, and it makes me hate them, not because they're white, but because they're racist. You are officially a racist, to actually claim one race is superior to another, that is a racist."

No you dolt. How about asking before accusing, because it makes you look stupid. When I meant better, I meant better of a choice. I guess I should've typed that, because I'm really making you look bad right now. I meant that Asians are a better choice of spouse then Caucasians. I didn't say either were bad or good, just that I personally prefer one over the other. And no, I don't demand others agree, I'm just stating my opinion.

"You are disgusting. As much as I find myself to be constantly defending Asians, Blacks and all non-whites every time I come in contact with some redneck who thinks he can blame his problems on a minority, you are just as bad, if not worse, to say something like that."

What the Hell is your problem? I don't blame my problems on any race. That would just be fickle. If I have a problem, I solve it. I don't blame others for sustenance or to make me more at ease. You know, the reason why you all take me out to be like this is because of what I said. I already told you: I'M OVER THAT. If you disbelieve me, you are all retards, because then you're just trying to prove a point off something that might as well be considered deleted at this point.

Congratulations, YOU are an idiot.

[PopCulturePooka]

I don't have strong feelings of race at all. I mean, at school I call one of my friends whitey, but that's just a nickname. I don't go around the school calling every white person a cracker and using other derragatory terms against other races.That you use race as an identifier amongst friends is one sure sign about your feelings of identity and race. I have Vietnamese friends back home in Australia. Never once is race an issue, nor a nickname. Johnny is Johnny. Chuong is Chuong. Azzizzi is Azzizzi, not towel head or anything like that.
Just because you have SOME restraint and don稚 call people cracker doesn稚 mean your feelings of race are any less strong.


Good for her. I didn't stop her. I just watched.Unless you actually have feelings for the girl it should be a COMPLETE non issue to you. Not even worth watching.



No, I'm saying they're better because of their qualities, their moral values, their beliefs, etc. Of course, I can't seem to say anything without you fools saying, 展hat? You mean the entire race applies to this one statement?" I don't mean ALL Asians are great, because I've met numerous Asians to whom I wouldn't give friendship to for my life. However, when comparing Caucasians to Asians, Asians surpass them in most of the generic sections. If you wish to know what I mean by generic sections, I'd be happy to tell you.
Oh
My
GOD
And any credibility you have just shattered into a million fractured pieces. You continually keep saying you aren稚 racist, you don稚 think one race is superior. But in this very paragraph you have written of Caucasians as less moral, less valued and of lesser qualities to Asians. Need I sink to your level and post how there some moral characteristics that Asians seem to lack?
You don't even have to tell me. Your post was idiotic. You ARE judging people on race. You believe, without even meeting someone, that a white person has less values and morals to a Korean for instance. This WILL colour your impressions of people when you first meet them.
YOU
ARE
A
RACIST



And why not?This thread gives numerous clear examples of why you aren't over it. But your first post is the best example.

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

Well, I can't speak for Japan, so I really don't know. I never had a problem with anyone, until I moved here. Now, I really, really DESPISE Caucasians. Of course, I look Caucasian, so everybody thinks I'm just a contradicting self-hating fool. Oh well.

No, because in some way, everyone is a villain, and everyone is an antagonist. Some are bad, some aren't. Just because I said bad guys does not mean I targeted Caucasians for that, just bad males in general.So do you get angry and offended when another Asian hits on a girl? When a white guy hits on a white girl? Heck the Asian guy might be a bad guy. You never know.

Where I live, for every 3 people, there is 1 white, 1 African American, 1 Asian, and quite literally.Then you need to find out why the girls are going for Caucasians. Also something doesn't add up. You keep saying how you are a minority in your area, yet Asians represent 33%?
Odd.

I'm aware. I'll let my family live as they wish as evidenced by the fact that I did nothing and said nothing about when the Korean girl was around the Caucasian male. If I really was some bigot like you all take me out to be, I would've stormed up to them and in a booming voice said something along the lines of, 展hat are you doing? Get away from him! He's not worth it!" Of course, what I REALLY did was just play DDR and watch. Not one word about the two of them was uttered from my mouth. And, I don't care if she's happy or not with them, because as I said, I'M ALREADY OVER IT!The fact that you even CARE, that you watch, that these thought processes are in your head is enough to make you a bigot. It痴 none of your concern, none of your business. Yet in your head you're making it your business. Just play DDR, don稚 even watch. You may get 'offended'.

Funny, because quite a few Japanese people know I'm Japanese and treat me as their own. Maybe you know different people.There痴 said to be a big difference amongst Japanese living abroad and Japanese on home soil when it comes to national identity. On the Japanese mainland you will NOT be accepted as Japanese. I tell you this with 99% confidence.


Of course, but that doesn't change the fact I was born in Okinawa, have friends and family within several places in Japan, and have Japanese blood. Just because I'm not full-blooded doesn't make me unaccepted.Oh yes, yes it does. You are half Japanese. But half gaijin. You can never ever be completely Japanese in their eyes. Dude in my 2 years here in Japan I've met plenty of people that I was sure are Japanese. But they weren稚. They were half Korean. Or half Brazilian. Or half Pilipino for example. And they all tell me the same story. They aren't fully accepted here as Japanese. No matter how hard they try they are still outsiders to a degree.


They have full-blooded Japanese-only bars? Any pics?Many bars and onsens have signs that read 'Japanese only'. And the decision on who enters is decided on how Japanese they look. \
Get educated here: http://www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html
Heck this guy is a Japanese citizen. He has a Japanese name, Japanese family and Japanese passport. Yet he gets refused entry because he doesn稚 LOOK Japanese.
Another story is that a group were refused entry into an onsen as they didn't look Japanese and 'scare' other customers. They were later told that one of their children, who looks Japanese (but is Chinese) could enter, but their other child couldn稚 as he didn't look Japanese.
Surprised you didn't know of this.


I have my own set of chopsticks ^^
Which is EXCEPTIONALLY ODD. You will be treated like some kind of weirdo.


Well, when I visited Japan for a short while I wasn't started at in the least. Well, not in a weird way. Every now and then somebody might just be staring off into space. I didn't have a wacky hairdo, I wasn't writing kanji on a big sheet of canvas, I was just sitting down.You were 7. You likely have distorted memories. Being stared at on the train is likely one of the most common complaints a foreigner (read me and you) makes in Japan.


They have Gaijin cards? Why do you need a card to show you're not from Japan? Sounds patronizing to me.
I don稚 know why you need them. But you do. and you must carry it around with you at all times and from what I understand the police can demand to see it at anytime (granted it hasn't happened to me, but has happened to my friend many times. Usually when riding his bike).
It痴 a pink and white photo ID card you get from the government office. It痴 called a 'Certificate of Alien Registration'.
Again, surprised you didn't know.


Not really? Of all the Japanese people within Japan I talked to, nobody was super impressed that I spoke Japanese. And they said I had the accent and sentence structure dead-on. Seriously, we know some different people.Seriously. You don稚 LIVE in Japan.
The other night I text messaged a girl. Said 'Oyasumi nasai' in hiragana and kanji. She was SHOCKED that I could write Japanese. Said how good it was. This is NOT a rare occurrence here.
Stop thinking about Japanese you know in Georgia. Keep up. I知 talking about in Japan itself.


Um, I said it earlier. Half Japanese(50), 1/4th Greek(25), American(20), Egyptian(5).
So you池e not 50/50? Be prepared for some REAL fun then.


"A girl at my school LOOKS and sounds Japanese. Yet when it came to pass that she was half Korean she became the subject of A LOT of taunting and bullying at school."

Not at my school, where the only people who know I'm Japanese are 1. My friends and 2. People who actually know how a Japanese man(sorry, wouldn't want to say Jap and offend anyone) acts.Sigh. PEOPLE I'M BLUE IN THE FACE HERE!
In Japan. This girl is a student in a JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL. A school that痴 pretty much 99% Japanese. You can act 'Japanese' (or your distorted version thereof) all you want. But just KNOWING you aren't Japanese will mean you are treated MUCH differently in school. Just like Yun. If you are an exchange student you will be a novelty. Treated differently. If you LIVED here or your kids did they will be treated differently. Likely not very nicely.

Oh by the way when I meant 'my school' I meant the private English company I teach at. Yun is a student here. The actual high school she attends is where the bullying occurs.

Again, we know different people. Everyone I've known(and not just said hi to, I mean really well known) says they see the Japanese in me, including quite a few Japanese people.They are patronising you. They may see some Japanese in you. Heck I can use chopsticks. Fricking amazing isn't it? Well it is too some Japanese here as I Have been told 'You are just like Japanese' because I can use chopsticks.


Well, I'd have to look up the word foreigner, because although I wasn't raised there, I was still born there. Whatever, thanks for the sodas :balloon:You are not Japanese. Not full blooded. Not born there. You are a foreigner, just like me, by the Japanese cultural definition of the word.


Preference, not superiority. Get it right ;)No, you proved earlier in your post that you feel Asians are morally superior. You can稚 even keep track of your own bleatings in one post?


No you dolt. How about asking before accusing, because it makes you look stupid. When I meant better, I meant better of a choice. I guess I should've typed that, because I'm really making you look bad right now. I meant that Asians are a better choice of spouse then Caucasians. I didn't say either were bad or good, just that I personally prefer one over the other. And no, I don't demand others agree, I'm just stating my opinion.Kid the only person who looks bad here is you. Highlighted by the fact that NO-ONES taken your side.
And you just said that Asians are superior to Caucasians, one post after saying you didn't feel that way. Incredible.


What the Hell is your problem? I don't blame my problems on any race. That would just be fickle. If I have a problem, I solve it. I don't blame others for sustenance or to make me more at ease. You know, the reason why you all take me out to be like this is because of what I said. I already told you: I'M OVER THAT. If you disbelieve me, you are all retards, because then you're just trying to prove a point off something that might as well be considered deleted at this point.You're losing it Ape. You have stated numerous times that this bothers you. That you have superiority and identity issues. That Caucasians make you angry, that they offend you when they talk to Asian girls.
You are in one serious case of denial.

Congratulations, YOU are an idiot.

[mad pierrot]

Settle down folks...

Let's try and decrease the name calling a little, ok?

[Faustianideals]

Japanese people are usually of high class and do not like associating with black people who are usually associated with crime.
OH SNAP!

[Kei_Shugojin]

Actually, Thor, I disagree. In the media, the african american persons who recieve the most attention are the rap artists. Now, don't get me wrong, but the "thug" image in rap seems to be popular. So, someone who doesn't come into contact with african americans on a daily basis will usually associate his definition of african american culture with what he sees on the television. So, considering the image that rap artists tend to try and promote, it's not surprising that a Japanese person, who hardly ever sees african americans in real life, might think the word "thug" when he actually sees one simply because of what he has seen on television.


Too bad they can't associate african americans with Bill Cosby, Will Smith, or something like that.

[Faustianideals]

This black man just stole Sakura-neiho-chan-whatever's staff! We must beat him into submission and act like morons!
Exactly, thanks for repeating what I just said.

[PopCulturePooka]

Too make it a little worse, many bars and shops in Shibuya/Harajuku or Machida actively hire African men from Nigeria etc to dress like bad stereotype thug rappers and tout their shops/services on the streets. Sometimes quite agressively. So again, many people only see these annoying touts/nampas (and apparantly drug dealers in Machida, but not so sure) who dress and act just like the thug rappers on TV.

[Kei_Shugojin]

well, really, I myself try not to generalize or rely on stereotypes, except with certain social titles (such as "prep", or "jock"). The people shown on entertainment television are but a handful of the african american population.

To truly make a generalization, you would have to track down and talk to every person in the group you were generalizing, and I don't think anyone really does that. lol

[Ma Cherie]

Is that the actual truth? You mean shops in Shibuya/ Harajuku pay Africans behave like a thug? Why? What for? And what do those shop owners expect to gain from that? To me, it sounds like they are zealously promoting that stereotype. And not to mention the fact that they(the owners of the shops and bars) are blatantly displaying their ignorance. :okashii:

[cyber ape]

"That you use race as an identifier amongst friends is one sure sign about your feelings of identity and race."

Yeah too bad it's just an irrelevant nickname huh?

"I have Vietnamese friends back home in Australia. Never once is race an issue, nor a nickname. Johnny is Johnny. Chuong is Chuong. Azzizzi is Azzizzi, not towel head or anything like that."

So what? I have a right to call my friend whitey, and he doesn't care. I'm guessing because you're supposedly "older" then me that you find it immature or just don't call your friends or associates any nicknames of any kind, but in my world, you call your firends whatever you want, whenever you want. Because if the're really friends, would they care if you nicknamed them whitey?

"Just because you have SOME restraint and don稚 call people cracker doesn稚 mean your feelings of race are any less strong."

I don't have strong feelings on race. The issue doesn't come up, well, until jerks like you have to come and bombard me.

"Unless you actually have feelings for the girl it should be a COMPLETE non issue to you. Not even worth watching."

I have feelings for her, and not in the love sense, just the fatherly sense. I just don't like it when I have to sit around and watch people choose the wrong path when I know how to fix it and yet don't.

"Oh
My
GOD
And any credibility you have just shattered into a million fractured pieces. You continually keep saying you aren稚 racist, you don稚 think one race is superior. But in this very paragraph you have written of Caucasians as less moral, less valued and of lesser qualities to Asians. Need I sink to your level and post how there some moral characteristics that Asians seem to lack?
You don't even have to tell me. Your post was idiotic. You ARE judging people on race. You believe, without even meeting someone, that a white person has less values and morals to a Korean for instance. This WILL colour your impressions of people when you first meet them.
YOU
ARE
A
RACIST"

Hmm, too bad I don't hate the entire race enough to make me a racist huh?

"This thread gives numerous clear examples of why you aren't over it. But your first post is the best example."

So wait, when I say I'm not over it I get turned down, but then I'm just supposed to believe your filth? What kind of trade is that?

"So do you get angry and offended when another Asian hits on a girl? When a white guy hits on a white girl? Heck the Asian guy might be a bad guy. You never know."

I don't get offended when I see anybody hitting on anybody. Seems like somebody can't read.

"Then you need to find out why the girls are going for Caucasians. Also something doesn't add up. You keep saying how you are a minority in your area, yet Asians represent 33%?
Odd."

Oh sorry, replace Asian with Korean.

"The fact that you even CARE, that you watch, that these thought processes are in your head is enough to make you a bigot."

OK, this is the problem with you stupid Americans; you completely disregard the word "PREJUDICE"! Prejudice is judging before knowing anything about something. Care to try defending against that?

"It痴 none of your concern, none of your business."

Would you let your kids willingly go down the wrong path? I think not.

"Yet in your head you're making it your business."

Well I am her father...

"There痴 said to be a big difference amongst Japanese living abroad and Japanese on home soil when it comes to national identity. On the Japanese mainland you will NOT be accepted as Japanese. I tell you this with 99% confidence."

Hmm, too bad I already am huh?

"Oh yes, yes it does. You are half Japanese. But half gaijin. You can never ever be completely Japanese in their eyes."

Um, why should I care? The Japanese I know all know me and consider me to be Japanese. So what if I'm not full-blooded? That doesn't entail me to anything else, cept, maybe those Japanese-only bars...

Many bars and onsens have signs that read 'Japanese only'. And the decision on who enters is decided on how Japanese they look. \
Get educated here: http://www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html
Heck this guy is a Japanese citizen. He has a Japanese name, Japanese family and Japanese passport. Yet he gets refused entry because he doesn稚 LOOK Japanese.
Another story is that a group were refused entry into an onsen as they didn't look Japanese and 'scare' other customers. They were later told that one of their children, who looks Japanese (but is Chinese) could enter, but their other child couldn稚 as he didn't look Japanese.
Surprised you didn't know of this."

Was I spposed to?

"Which is EXCEPTIONALLY ODD. You will be treated like some kind of weirdo."

Heh, I wouldn't just come into some place with my own set, unless it called for celebration. Most places I ask for chopsticks.

"You were 7. You likely have distorted memories."

Good thing this is just an opinion. Nope, I remember it pretty well.

"Being stared at on the train is likely one of the most common complaints a foreigner (read me and you) makes in Japan."

Even if I was/am going to be stared at, why would I care? Atleast I'm getting attention. Hell if it got a conversation going I'd be more than happy to be eye-candy.

"I don稚 know why you need them. But you do. and you must carry it around with you at all times and from what I understand the police can demand to see it at anytime (granted it hasn't happened to me, but has happened to my friend many times. Usually when riding his bike).
It痴 a pink and white photo ID card you get from the government office. It痴 called a 'Certificate of Alien Registration'.
Again, surprised you didn't know."

Me too.

"Seriously. You don稚 LIVE in Japan."

You're right. I liveD in Japan.

"The other night I text messaged a girl. Said 'Oyasumi nasai' in hiragana and kanji. She was SHOCKED that I could write Japanese. Said how good it was. This is NOT a rare occurrence here.
Stop thinking about Japanese you know in Georgia. Keep up. I知 talking about in Japan itself."

Um, I said "within Japan" now didn't I?

"So you池e not 50/50? Be prepared for some REAL fun then."

Um, what?

"Sigh. PEOPLE I'M BLUE IN THE FACE HERE!
In Japan. This girl is a student in a JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL. A school that痴 pretty much 99% Japanese. You can act 'Japanese' (or your distorted version thereof) all you want. But just KNOWING you aren't Japanese will mean you are treated MUCH differently in school."

I AM Japanese. I'm pretty sure that's been clarified by now.

"Just like Yun. If you are an exchange student you will be a novelty. Treated differently. If you LIVED here or your kids did they will be treated differently. Likely not very nicely."

And?

"They are patronising you."

My friends wouldn't do something like that.

"They may see some Japanese in you. Heck I can use chopsticks. Fricking amazing isn't it?"

Yes, because that's the only Japanese trait I hold -_-

"Well it is too some Japanese here as I Have been told 'You are just like Japanese' because I can use chopsticks."

Um, you're not like "Japanese" because you can use chop sticks. And, from what I know(but am not going to declare it fact as I don't know), chopsticks are Chinese.

"You are not Japanese. Not full blooded. Not born there. You are a foreigner, just like me, by the Japanese cultural definition of the word."

I was born in Okinawa, so, you're almost right.

"No, you proved earlier in your post that you feel Asians are morally superior. You can稚 even keep track of your own bleatings in one post?"

So? It's really too bad you don't live where I live to make such radical defense statements huh?

"Kid the only person who looks bad here is you. Highlighted by the fact that NO-ONES taken your side."

So what? I'm not trying to rally up troops, and there isn't power in numbers all the time.

"And you just said that Asians are superior to Caucasians, one post after saying you didn't feel that way. Incredible."

OK, I want you to read this, and if you neglect it, than I will leave this post and never post again. Ahem: The Asians within the city of Augusta, which is in the state of Georgia, the Asians are indeed superior to the Caucasians. Now then, that only applies to the people within Augusta, NOWHERE ELSE. Try to call me a racist now :balloon:

"You're losing it Ape. You have stated numerous times that this bothers you. That you have superiority and identity issues. That Caucasians make you angry, that they offend you when they talk to Asian girls.
You are in one serious case of denial."

Too bad I'm over that huh dip shnoggle?

Quote:
Congratulations, YOU are an idiot.

[mad pierrot]

Is that the actual truth? You mean shops in Shibuya/ Harajuku pay Africans behave like a thug? Why? What for? And what do those shop owners expect to gain from that? To me, it sounds like they are zealously promoting that stereotype.

Yes, it's sad but true. Ame-mura in Shinsaibashi has it's share of them, too. Capitalizing on ignorance isn't very reponsible, but it sure helps make them alot of money. How much would you sell your integrity for?

[PopCulturePooka]

Is that the actual truth? You mean shops in Shibuya/ Harajuku pay Africans behave like a thug? Why? What for? And what do those shop owners expect to gain from that? To me, it sounds like they are zealously promoting that stereotype. And not to mention the fact that they(the owners of the shops and bars) are blatantly displaying their ignorance. :okashii:
Like Mad Pierrot said, yeah its truth...
They dress just like gangstas and loiter.

Not total thug... They aren't violent pers e. But yeap. they are paid to act the stereotype as its 'cool'.

Fun story. When I was first in japan I was lost in Harajuku with my buddy. We saw some of the 'thug' touts outside a hip hop clothing shop. We decided to ask them for directions.

Not one of them could speak english at all.

Kinda funny. They are dressed up too look like LA Gangsta thugs but arent even american, and cant speak english.

[Kei_Shugojin]

Does anyone think we should just ignore cyber ape until he gets himself banned?

Well, I know several people who try to act/look like samurai, but don't speak japanese. It's rather funny. lol

But, then again, an LA gangsta thug is nothing to try to emulate.

[cicatriz esp]

well, really, I myself try not to generalize or rely on stereotypes

The Japanese sure do. It's a source of pride for them to be able to generalize about themselves, actually.

[Ma Cherie]

It's very disappointing to discover that. Which reminds me, someone here at the university in which I attend is absent mindedly absorbing the so-called thug culture. He isn't trying to learn about the true African American culture. So, instead he tries to protray the negative stereotypes. And he is from Africa by the way. The guy won't even be himself, I guess he must think this is the only he could fit in, but it's not working.

I guess this answered my question to a point.

[Kei_Shugojin]

@cicatriz esp- didn't you just make a generalization? lol

@Ma Cherie- I feel sorry for the guy. Maybe you should try talking to him about it? He sounds like someone who would benefit from home-schooling.

[PopCulturePooka]

Yeah too bad it's just an irrelevant nickname huh?But why is it even enough of an issue to BE a nickname?


So what? I have a right to call my friend whitey, and he doesn't care. I'm guessing because you're supposedly "older" then me that you find it immature or just don't call your friends or associates any nicknames of any kind, but in my world, you call your firends whatever you want, whenever you want. Because if the're really friends, would they care if you nicknamed them whitey?Its not a question of whether he cares or not, its the point that the issue was ever enough to warrant a nickname in the first place.

I don't have strong feelings on race. The issue doesn't come up, well, until jerks like you have to come and bombard me.*sigh* You started it. YOU. You made the intial post about being offended by caucasians talking to asian girls.

I have feelings for her, and not in the love sense, just the fatherly sense. I just don't like it when I have to sit around and watch people choose the wrong path when I know how to fix it and yet don't.And how is talking to a caucasian the wrong path in and off itself? unless you know THAT causian is a bad guy HIMSELF then there is no problem for you to be fatherly about and theres no 'right path' taht shes not taking. For all you know she could be heading down the best path of her life.

Hmm, too bad I don't hate the entire race enough to make me a racist huh?You don't have to hate a race to make yourself a racist. Just feel superiority off one race over another. ANY caucasian that said what you just but reveresed, that whites are more moral, of better character than blacks or asians would be called racist. There is no question there.


I don't get offended when I see anybody hitting on anybody. Seems like somebody can't read.
What?
Then whats this?

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.
Need that one more time?

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

Just in case you missed it

Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

Oh sorry, replace Asian with Korean.Its funny how much your stories keep changing and shifting.

"The fact that you even CARE, that you watch, that these thought processes are in your head is enough to make you a bigot."

OK, this is the problem with you stupid Americans; you completely disregard the word "PREJUDICE"! Prejudice is judging before knowing anything about something. Care to try defending against that?I'm not American. You judged me. Before knowing anything about me. Uh-oh. Guess what? :-)
By the way Ape, what nationality passport do you hold? What citizenship?
For the love of god it better not be an American passport or you jsut wrecked yourself beyond measure.

FYI I'm Australian

Would you let your kids willingly go down the wrong path? I think not.And how is talking to, being with a caucasian the wrong path in and off itself? Like I said, do you KNOw the guy she is interacting with is a bad guy? Do you KNOW his history and character? Or are you assuming absed on race?

Well I am her father... :?

Hmm, too bad I already am huh?Oh yeah, so am I. Ummmm no wait. I'm not. Neither are you.

Um, why should I care? The Japanese I know all know me and consider me to be Japanese. So what if I'm not full-blooded? That doesn't entail me to anything else, cept, maybe those Japanese-only bars...Or suspicion of crime. Or fair legal repesentation. Or workplace rights. Or some onsens. Or a myriad of other things.

Was I spposed to?Someone so enormed of Japan SHOULD know this.

Heh, I wouldn't just come into some place with my own set, unless it called for celebration. Most places I ask for chopsticks.So why even mention you owned your own pair. Fun true story. I go to my local konbini at least twice a week to buy dinner. I actually talk to 2 of the people there and in all likelihood will be hitting a bar or two with one of the guys from there one day.
Yet theres an older women there. EVERY time I go there, if she serves me, EVERY time she asks if I want a fork, not chopsticks. Think after a year of my face popping up there she'd know right?

Good thing this is just an opinion. Nope, I remember it pretty well.I doubt it. Childhood memories are always distorted. Kids have an innate ability to not notice whats really happening around them.

Even if I was/am going to be stared at, why would I care? Atleast I'm getting attention. Hell if it got a conversation going I'd be more than happy to be eye-candy.You wont be saying that after the 10th inane conversation of 'where are you from' and 'can you eat natto?'

You're right. I liveD in Japan.Another story change. Did you live or did you visit? When did you live there and for how long?

Um, what?You're rather mixed heritage. Like me. Thats very amusing and curious for Japanese.

"Sigh. PEOPLE I'M BLUE IN THE FACE HERE!
In Japan. This girl is a student in a JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL. A school that痴 pretty much 99% Japanese. You can act 'Japanese' (or your distorted version thereof) all you want. But just KNOWING you aren't Japanese will mean you are treated MUCH differently in school."

I AM Japanese. I'm pretty sure that's been clarified by now.
NO
YOU'RE
NOT

You are NO MORE Japanese than Yun is. She has more points on you in that she has lived in Japan all her life. She was born here, raised here, named here. She looks and acts Japanese. But a small 'mistake' of genetics, of parenthood, in that one parent is Korean. Thats enough. Enough for her to not be Japanese in the eyes of her peers. Enough for her to be taunted and treated as an outcast. For something thats not obvious at all unless she says her first name completely or someone investigates her.

And?You'd be happy to be bullied and picked on? treated like a freak and ostracised? You;d be happy for your kids to get that too?

My friends wouldn't do something like that.Naiveity.

Yes, because that's the only Japanese trait I hold -_-It doesnt amtter how many 'Japanese traits' you hold, you're missing one a few important things. 100% Japanese blood or very close too. A Japanese passport and COMPLETE Japanese upbringing solely in Japan

Oh another one of my students. Yui. Also 14. Lived in America for 3 years while her dad worked. Came back. Must now attend an international school because of the treatment she got at her Japanese school when she returned. She wasn't 'Japanese' any more. Kids can be so cruel.

Um, you're not like "Japanese" because you can use chop sticks. And, from what I know(but am not going to declare it fact as I don't know), chopsticks are Chinese.Duh. I know that. What i am pointing out is the patronising that can happen. That people say i'm like Japanese because I can eat food in a certain way. A way that most of my country men can do.

I was born in Okinawa, so, you're almost right.Almost. A few Japanese even view Okinawans as different. But those types are real idiots.

So? It's really too bad you don't live where I live to make such radical defense statements huh?John Lennon. Strawberry Fields. First line of the second verse.

So what? I'm not trying to rally up troops, and there isn't power in numbers all the time.No but you;d think, if you were right or at least defenceable that SOMEONE, ANYONE ehre would take your side. (as a side whats the bet that a new poster, a one post bandit will suddenly weigh in supporting Cyber Ape?)

OK, I want you to read this, and if you neglect it, than I will leave this post and never post again. Ahem: The Asians within the city of Augusta, which is in the state of Georgia, the Asians are indeed superior to the Caucasians. Now then, that only applies to the people within Augusta, NOWHERE ELSE. Try to call me a racist now :balloon:Story changes again.
You did NOT mention that in your earlier post about moral values and its irrelevant as you cannot right off 33% of the population like taht.

Question. Would a caucasian in Georgia saying that he and all the other caucasians are morally or intellectually superior to Asians be racist?


Too bad I'm over that huh dip shnoggle?But you still gotta be fatherly?
And name calling? Backed into a wall much?

[TwistedMac]

Um, you're not like "Japanese" because you can use chop sticks. And, from what I know(but am not going to declare it fact as I don't know), chopsticks are Chinese.
Duh. I know that. What i am pointing out is the patronising that can happen. That people say i'm like Japanese because I can eat food in a certain way. A way that most of my country men can do.


This summer I asked a japanese girl I talk to if she had smashed any watermelons at the beach (silly curiosa) and she was stunned, baffled and amazed by how much I knew about japanese culture.. I apparently knew more about it than she did!

see what I'm getting at?
I haven't even been to Japan and I'm already getting the treatment pooka talks about.
if we know any japanese or anything about japanese culture, it seems we're practically japanese! Except we're not.

Well I am her father...
whatta...?
so this girl you sorta fancied but didn't want anyway, cuz she wasn't your taste or whatever, was your daughter?... nice family you've got there.

You are the most inconsistant person I have ever seen.
It might work for a while in real life just to make new stuff up as you go along, but on a bulletin board your old posts can be reviewed. (but even in real life, there's a good saying... "A good liar must have an excellent memory"... it's true.)

John Lennon. Strawberry Fields. First line of the second verse.
"Living is easy with eyes closed"

So what? I have a right to call my friend whitey
heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe

[Faustianideals]

Is that the actual truth? You mean shops in Shibuya/ Harajuku pay Africans behave like a thug? Why? What for? And what do those shop owners expect to gain from that? To me, it sounds like they are zealously promoting that stereotype. And not to mention the fact that they(the owners of the shops and bars) are blatantly displaying their ignorance. :okashii:
It's hip to be a thug.

[Ma Cherie]

Thanks for the advice Kei_Shogojin, :thankyou: but it may be difficult to talk with him. He seems so far gone into the stereotype. And I feel sorry for him, too. He gave up his individuality.

[cicatriz esp]

@cicatriz esp- didn't you just make a generalization? lol


No. They even have a commonly used word for it, the feeling of "sameness". It escapes me at the moment, but i bet Paultb or mikecash know it.

[ragedaddy]

Due to the fact that Japan is a homogenous society, foreigners they are more likely to get stared at. It not just blacks either, me as a white dude, I was constantly getting stared at. Did it bother me, well at first it was a little overwhelming, but after a while I really didn't care. I can remember multiple times that I sat down next to a Japanese person on a train and they got up and moved. I was glad, that meant more leg room for me at the time being. I swear that there biggest fear is that you are going to start talking to them in English, and they will not be able respond. Either way, it didn't let it bother me in the least. I lived in Akita Ken for about 5 months, and believe me they were more suprised to see foreigners there then compared with Tokyo.

I have ran into the some African guys that kept on pressuring me to go to a club, and he was following our group for blocks. That doesn't really taint my image of black people in general. Just like the greasy looking white dudes peddling low quality jewelry or drugs on the streets, doesn't really taint my image either I believe. Therefore, I'm thinking foreigners in general get more looks, and it's probably more out of curiousity than malice. Since foreigners make up what, about 1% of the nation, it's not strange that this would be behavior out of the ordinary. Are there racist Japanese people, of course there are, but that doesn't make up the majority of the people. As a foreigner, it is something you just have to deal with (the stares), and don't let it bother you. I wouldn't cancel any plans of going to Japan out of fear that you might get some looks, because I had some black friends in Tokyo when I was studying there, and they had no problems interacting with the women.

[seimeinogakusei]

Um, I said it earlier. Half Japanese(50), 1/4th Greek(25), American(20), Egyptian(5).
I'm surprised no one else here said anything. Cyber ape, you are aware that American is not an ethnic background? Sure, if talking about heritage, you can be Japanese, Greek and Egyptian...but not American. American, just simply isn't an ethnic background. It can be a culture and nationally. Are you forgetting Americans range in ethnicity/ancestry? The way you stated your ancestry before made way more sense.

[ViperII]

Japan belongs to the Japanese people. If they choose to stereotype people or be "racist" then so be it. Who are you as a foriegner to critisize a people that historically, for the most part kept to themselves and did not interfere with foriegn socities? Nor did they ask you to be there. I couldnt care less how negroes are treated in Japan. They don't need to be there. The more Japanese that move to Japan the less Japanese it will be. It will not be long before there won't be a full blooded Japanese person left in the world due to the liberal west's miscegenation dream. Having a homogenous society, which has worked for the Japanese for thousands of years is starting to being broken down and I think that it's a tragedy.

[mad pierrot]

Japan belongs to the Japanese people. If they choose to stereotype people or be "racist" then so be it. Who are you as a foriegner to critisize a people that historically, for the most part kept to themselves and did not interfere with foriegn socities? Nor did they ask you to be there. I couldnt care less how negroes are treated in Japan. They don't need to be there. The more Japanese that move to Japan the less Japanese it will be. It will not be long before there won't be a full blooded Japanese person left in the world due to the liberal west's miscegenation dream. Having a homogenous society, which has worked for the Japanese for thousands of years is starting to being broken down and I think that it's a tragedy.

I would rather not ban you. Instead, I would make a group for you. We could call it the "Blithering Idiots."

Bye.

[TwistedMac]

why is it a tragedy?
what's wrong with mixed blood?... if it were up to you, royalty would probably still be in their incestous cousin-marrying relations (when you're only allowed to marry someone of higher or equal stature as yourself and your a princess, your choices dwindle fast)

If everyone mixed up well enough, in the end we'd only be one race. no more racism (sure something else would take its place. like raging nationalism or something.) But what harm would it do if everyone just mixed it all up?

[ragedaddy]

Japan belongs to the Japanese people. If they choose to stereotype people or be "racist" then so be it. Who are you as a foriegner to critisize a people that historically, for the most part kept to themselves and did not interfere with foriegn socities? Nor did they ask you to be there. I couldnt care less how negroes are treated in Japan. They don't need to be there. The more Japanese that move to Japan the less Japanese it will be. It will not be long before there won't be a full blooded Japanese person left in the world due to the liberal west's miscegenation dream. Having a homogenous society, which has worked for the Japanese for thousands of years is starting to being broken down and I think that it's a tragedy.


Sorry buddy globalization is in full effect, and there is nothing you can do to hault this ongoing force. That's nice that having a homogenous society worked well for the Japanese. You could say that communism worked well for many countries in the past, but you can see that is switching over due to globalization, and other various forces. Quit living in the past there pal, wake up and smell the present. Diverseness makes the world go around, and having an absolute homogenous society would be the epitome of boredom. It seems you need a dose of culture as well as eduacation, and so maybe you won't end up developing into a waste of physical matter. Mixed cultures is not only a beautiful thing, it makes the whole world a more interesting place to live.

[Kei_Shugojin]

Viper II... if I knew you in real life, you would likely be dead or paralyzed from the neck down by now.

There is nothing wrong with having mixed blood! I'm part Caucasian (mostly from germany) and Indian. There's nothing wrong with me. Goddamn, man. You sound like Hitler.

Sorry, but I get really pissed off when people act like that.

There are currently no words in the english language to express my rage at that person.

[corocoro]

I was walking with my Japanese friend at school today and there were so many Japanese students giving me bad looks. When I got home, I emailed her and asked why Japanese people don't like black people. She told me that she thinks it's because Japanese people think that cultures are supposed to stay together and not mix with one another.

Is it because Japan has been so closed to foreigners for the longest time, I think there was an Emperor that made it illegal for foreigners to visit Japan awhile ago, I guess this is still in the Japanese minds, even today.

That's pretty sad if you ask me.

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

I don't want to be a target for staring everytime I go out with my Japanese friends or maybe one day I find a Japanese girlfriend, but I'm thinking that will never happen.
You are in the U.S. right? I mean not in Japan. I assume it's a kind of big city from what you said that "there were so many Japanese students". It's a bit funny to hear that kind of story especially outside of Japan. because Japanese are the foreigner at there... ;)

I am Japanese myself, and I could come up with only a few ideas below when I thought about why they acted like that.
1) they were simply racist. Sad, but there are always racist people not only in Japan but evrywhere in the world...;(
2) It's not you but your Japanese friends that those Japanese students and tourists were staring at. There are some Japanese hip hop/r&b queen wanna-be(Is this sentence make sense?) and act like as if they were one of them and think it's cool.

Juding from the situation that you wrote, I felt the reason like secound one is much more make sense to me.

Anyway, My suggestion is... Try not to think about race too much, give them a smile and maybe "Konnichiwa!(hello in Japanese)" when you get stares. Those kind of attitude will probably tells them that you are a respectable parson. That might be a good way to break the ice with them too. Or you can simply ask one of them why they give you bad looks. :)

P.S. I have been exposed to racism a few times in some foreign countries. but those things didn't bothered me that much. I even don't consider them racists. I consider them just stupid people! :P

[Glenn]

Here's what I don't get: what's so great about Japanese people? Seriously, I've seen people type things here about how Japanese or Asians are so great, but where is the proof? From what I've seen there are as many Japanese idiots as there are white, American, black, or [insert racial or national group here]. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I hate Japanese people or that I love white people, far from it. I just don't understand why people get so hung up on judging an entire group of people based on the actions of a very limited population. Maybe I'm just too different than some people here, but I'd rather hate someone because I've talked to them and they're an idiot than basing my hate on some superficial criterion like skin color or nationality.

[Faustianideals]

Here's what I don't get: what's so great about Japanese people? Seriously, I've seen people type things here about how Japanese or Asians are so great, but where is the proof? From what I've seen there are as many Japanese idiots as there are white, American, black, or [insert racial or national group here]. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I hate Japanese people or that I love white people, far from it. I just don't understand why people get so hung up on judging an entire group of people based on the actions of a very limited population. Maybe I'm just too different than some people here, but I'd rather hate someone because I've talked to them and they're an idiot than basing my hate on some superficial criterion like skin color or nationality.
I will answer your question: Anime, and video games

[Sally_Hawn]

What's so great about Japanese people?

From all the J-people I have encountered, more than 95% are polite and helpful.

[Glenn]

And that isn't true for any other race or location?

My point isn't necessarily to put down Japanese people; it's to show that they aren't better than any other group of people on the planet just because they're Japanese. I'd say that 95% of the people that I've encountered are polite and helpful. I'm still going to need someone to show me some numbers that are representative of the entire populations of different races as to which one has the most jerks and idiots, and which one has the least. At any rate, I still say it's irrelevant.

[Sally_Hawn]

Well, I have actually encoutered many rude people (at least 50% of the the ones I had talked to) among three races which I won't name ...

[Faustianideals]

Well, I have actually encoutered many rude people (at least 50% of the the ones I had talked to) among three races which I won't name ...
What do you mean race? We are all homosapiens.
Do you mean nationality?

[Glenn]

Well, I have actually encoutered many rude people (at least 50% of the the ones I had talked to) among three races which I won't name ...

I'm sorry to hear that, but I doubt that it's a representative population of those races. I just have a hard time believing that one race is better than any other. Also, I think that where you are is more important than what race you are. White people in Ireland aren't the same as white people in America.

Well, at this point I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore, so I guess I'll have to try to be clearer than I was earlier.

What do we mean by "Japanese people?" Do we mean any citizens of Japan, only native citizens of Japan (people born there, not naturalized citizens), people whose bloodlines are purely from the Japanese mongoloid group (not necessarily born in Japan or even citizens), people whose bloodlines are partially from that group, or some other group that I may not have thought of? We can't really talk about this if we don't have some sort of focus.

[Sally_Hawn]

I mean three nationalities... Rudeness is a relative term too... Maybe those people I had mention above didn't think they were rude according to their culture.

Anyway, I don't want to continue this topic because my defence for my previous posts can be racist, and it is tres tres tres uncool to be a racist in the U.S. and Canada.

[cyber ape]

"But why is it even enough of an issue to BE a nickname?"

OK, dude, it's JUST a nickname. Hell I could call him any other color with ey or ie or just y at the end, and even if it didn't make sense, it would JUST be a nickname. Heck, I could call him drop-out, even though he's anything but. To quote a good friend,"Sometimes a cigar is JUST a cigar."

"Its not a question of whether he cares or not, its the point that the issue was ever enough to warrant a nickname in the first place."

As a friend, you're bound to be given a nickname of some sort by atleast one person at one time or another. Again, read my above statement

"*sigh* You started it. YOU. You made the intial post about being offended by caucasians talking to asian girls."

Mmhmm, and that was my response to this topic. Now then, did the three of you have to all say such negative things? No. You could've just ignored it. I don't recall it saying,"Does anyone agree with me?" Just, my opinion.

"And how is talking to a caucasian the wrong path in and off itself? unless you know THAT causian is a bad guy HIMSELF then there is no problem for you to be fatherly about and theres no 'right path' taht shes not taking. For all you know she could be heading down the best path of her life."

I DO know him :okashii:

"You don't have to hate a race to make yourself a racist."

*coughcontradictedallstatedbeforecough*

"Just feel superiority off one race over another. ANY caucasian that said what you just but reveresed, that whites are more moral, of better character than blacks or asians would be called racist. There is no question there."

OK, but you see, I don't treat any race differently from any other, so just because I mentally think that Asians(w/i state, city, etc, u get point) are "better" makes me a racist? You know, I don't see how that adds up as I've accepted everybody as normal people my whole life and continue to have close white friends of both genders of many ages, if I were truly a racist one could imply I wouldn't like whites PERIOD.

"What?
Then whats this?


Quote:
Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.


Need that one more time?


Quote:
Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.



Just in case you missed it


Quote:
Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood."

Too bad I'M ALREADY PAST THAT huh? Baka

"Its funny how much your stories keep changing and shifting."

So what? You're such a dolt it's really making me mad. You're trying to make it seem like I'm changing it, yet, CHECK THE STATISTICS! Quit acting like I'm just making thigns up to get by. I did mean Koreans, I was just implying it by saying Asians. Don't believe me? Check statistics, or shut up.

"I'm not American."

So? I still stand by it.

"You judged me. Before knowing anything about me. Uh-oh. Guess what?"

Um, I'm OPENLY PREDJUDICE. Nice try Bill O'Reilly :cool:

"By the way Ape, what nationality passport do you hold? What citizenship?
For the love of god it better not be an American passport or you jsut wrecked yourself beyond measure."

I really wouldn't know. I've only once held my passport, since most of the times when I go flying my parents have it, but I never actually read it. And, I really don't care to know.

"FYI I'm Australian"

Thanks for sharing :bow:

"And how is talking to, being with a caucasian the wrong path in and off itself? Like I said, do you KNOw the guy she is interacting with is a bad guy? Do you KNOW his history and character? Or are you assuming absed on race?"

I know him :relief:

Quote:
Um, why should I care? The Japanese I know all know me and consider me to be Japanese. So what if I'm not full-blooded? That doesn't entail me to anything else, cept, maybe those Japanese-only bars...

"Or suspicion of crime."

Because I'm not full-blooded I'm more suspected of crime? That's pretty messed up @_@

"Or workplace rights."

I wouldn't work at a place that would or wouldn't hire me because of race.

"So why even mention you owned your own pair."

I don't know XD.

"Fun true story. I go to my local konbini at least twice a week to buy dinner. I actually talk to 2 of the people there and in all likelihood will be hitting a bar or two with one of the guys from there one day.
Yet theres an older women there. EVERY time I go there, if she serves me, EVERY time she asks if I want a fork, not chopsticks. Think after a year of my face popping up there she'd know right?"

Maybe it's protocol? She could just be generous incase you had a change. Nice story :ramen:

"I doubt it. Childhood memories are always distorted. Kids have an innate ability to not notice whats really happening around them."

Eh, that's just an assumption. I mean, most do, but I've kept track of anything from ages.....I believe 5 or 4 or so and up. Not permanent replays of my life, just small things. But, I had a capable and able mind at age 7, so of course I remember my trip to Japan. Not certain details like say a name of an arcade, but certainly walking around town and what have you.

Quote:
Even if I was/am going to be stared at, why would I care? Atleast I'm getting attention. Hell if it got a conversation going I'd be more than happy to be eye-candy.

"You wont be saying that after the 10th inane conversation of 'where are you from' and 'can you eat natto?'"

I really wouldn't care. I mean, I'm guessing because I was young and only knew a little Japanese I wasn't asked that much, but even if I am, I'd be more than happy to tell them about the abomination of a country to which I came from.

"Another story change."

Um, no, that's BEEN apparent.

"Did you live or did you visit? When did you live there and for how long?"

I was only there for a week, so by textbook definition, I LIVED there for a week. I mean, in the English language, we can assume that "live" is over a wider range of time, while visit is brief and short. However, I technically LIVED there, even though I didn't enroll in a school or begin stocking my fridge full of food as if to dwell there for a long while.

"You're rather mixed heritage. Like me. Thats very amusing and curious for Japanese."

Fine with me.

"NO
YOU'RE
NOT"

Um, even if I'm half, I'm still Japanese. Notice the word "Japanese" as the second word with a hyphen and the word half in front of it. If it says Japanese, then technically, I'm Japanese. I'm not full-blooded 100%, but I still am.

"You are NO MORE Japanese than Yun is. She has more points on you in that she has lived in Japan all her life. She was born here, raised here, named here. She looks and acts Japanese. But a small 'mistake' of genetics, of parenthood, in that one parent is Korean. Thats enough. Enough for her to not be Japanese in the eyes of her peers. Enough for her to be taunted and treated as an outcast. For something thats not obvious at all unless she says her first name completely or someone investigates her."

Why should I care? Although I'd be more than ecstatic to be 100% Japanese, I really don't care. It doesn't make me any more or less happier.

"You'd be happy to be bullied and picked on? treated like a freak and ostracised? You;d be happy for your kids to get that too?"

Well, by the time I move to Japan I likely won't be getting bullied. Well, maybe verbally. Even so, well, I really need to know what kind of bullying we're talking about. I mean, even if it were physical, I'd avoid it, but if it were unavoidable I'd defend myself. I'm no stranger to fighting, but I'm also no stranger to peace. When I was there I wasn't treated like a freak or ostracised, and I have relations with quite a few Japanese teens at this point in time, and none of them find me weird or freaky that I'm half-Japanese. And, so what if my kids look or don't look Japanese in Japan? Sure, they may be treated a little differently, but if they speak it and write it, so what? Besides, who knows my kids will look like? It all depends on the female set now won't it. Either way, I really doubt my kid(s) will be bullied, but even so...wait, why are we talking about parenting?

"Naiveity."

No, good friendship, a concept you don't seem to be familiar with. Look, I know the difference between a FRIEND and just some guy to hang with. Seriously, I've known these people nearly my whole life, and they're not the kind of person who'd turn their backs on me, unless it was their life or mine, whichcase I wouldn't know what'd happen, but that's not important right now.

"It doesnt amtter how many 'Japanese traits' you hold, you're missing one a few important things. 100% Japanese blood or very close too. A Japanese passport and COMPLETE Japanese upbringing solely in Japan"

Again, I want to know what being 100% Japanese has to do with anything? I don't care if it affects me so long as I can get a job there. That's all I need, well, for starters.

"Oh another one of my students. Yui. Also 14. Lived in America for 3 years while her dad worked. Came back. Must now attend an international school because of the treatment she got at her Japanese school when she returned. She wasn't 'Japanese' any more. Kids can be so cruel."

That sucks. Well, I've never attended a Japanese school, but I severely doubt it'll be any worse. I mean, firstly I'm not really the target of bullying, cept for my race, because otherwise I'm just a simple, generic male. Either way, if race is all, I won't care, because I get treated terribly here, and I'm happy as a monkey on steroids, so I doubt people calling me gaijin daily or Marui-Me will upset me. Now, if they start using violence at inappropriate times(like, carrying a lunch tray) then I might have some problems, but I doubt they'll do the kind of things they do here.

"Almost. A few Japanese even view Okinawans as different. But those types are real idiots."

Yeah, I've heard about how people from different regions of Japan were treated different from say people in Tokyo, as if it's the heart. Well, it IS the capitol, but that doens't make it the most important place :blush:

"No but you;d think, if you were right or at least defenceable that SOMEONE, ANYONE ehre would take your side. (as a side whats the bet that a new poster, a one post bandit will suddenly weigh in supporting Cyber Ape?)"

Um, I didn't ASK for anyone to take my side. Again, you tried to start a war, not me. Although I accepted your challenge, well, not you, but somebody(I think Kei) started it. I didn't ask if anyone agreed, i just stated my opinion.

"Story changes again."

No you dolt, you guys just kept trying to get me to be racist and didn't listen to anything I said. It's always been The Caucasians and Asians within the city of Evans, GA. However, you guys thought when I said Caucasians I meant every last one. Then when I said Georgia, you again thought every one in GA. The whole time I meant where I lived, and since you know my age I'm sure you know my location.

"Question. Would a caucasian in Georgia saying that he and all the other caucasians are morally or intellectually superior to Asians be racist?"

No. If he accepted atleast one Asian, then he wouldn't be racist.

Quote:
Too bad I'm over that huh dip shnoggle?

"But you still gotta be fatherly? And name calling? Backed into a wall much?"

You know, this is the one thing that bothers me about old people; their inability to realize they too are on the same plane with the adolescents I hate. You aren't superior to kids, and don't bother trying to say you are, because you aren't. Name-calling doesn't make me any more or less mature. Name-calling allows me to simplify my statements and thoughts into a few words that are both powerful and inane and are said by people to help them put others "in their place."

"see what I'm getting at?
I haven't even been to Japan and I'm already getting the treatment pooka talks about.
if we know any japanese or anything about japanese culture, it seems we're practically japanese! Except we're not."

Why are you trying to disprove my blood? Why would I lie about my background?

"whatta...?
so this girl you sorta fancied but didn't want anyway, cuz she wasn't your taste or whatever, was your daughter?... nice family you've got there."

Ugh, I'm so sick of this response. When I say father, I mean guardian. I watch over her, not be half her bearer. I did not fertalize anybody's egg, I'm just a guardian. Must I replace that word too, or are you going to accuse me of changing the story?

"You are the most inconsistant person I have ever seen.
It might work for a while in real life just to make new stuff up as you go along, but on a bulletin board your old posts can be reviewed. (but even in real life, there's a good saying... "A good liar must have an excellent memory"... it's true.)"

Ugh, it's a shame that you don't read my posts. When I said Asians, I was implying you already knew. If you think I'm lying, check out some sort of census chart. You will see that there is a HIGH population of Koreans within the Evans, GA district. Try to prove me wrong about that; I've lived here a year and a half. As for the whole Caucasians, THE WHOLE TIME I MEANT WITHIN AUGUSTA, GA, BUT YOU FOOLS TOOK MY EXAGGERATION LITERALLY AND THOUGHT I MEANT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! Maybe if you'd realize that things aren't always literal you could see past your arrogance and certainty.

"heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe"

While that's humorous that's really a pretty simple post. The United States of America's population is a majority of what? CAUCASIANS! Now, if you asked a non-caucasian they might say this, but even so, that's just stupid. I mean, if somebody calls you racist against blacks and you have a black friend, then they're the dolt. But if they call you racist PERIOD without designating a race, and you choose the African-American trump, you'll look as stupid as David Blaine.

[Kei_Shugojin]

Well, I think that some people may become attached to a particular culture or nationality depending on their experiences. If an asian girl is rescued by a caucasian male when she's very young, she may become more attracted to caucasian men simply because she's reminded of that one person.

If someone has bad/great experiences with anyone, they will become reminded of those memories depending on different triggers. If a girl gets raped, and the rapist was an african-american, she may feel uneasy around african americans not because she's racist, but because she's reminded of that horrible experience.

When I was 6 years old, I went to Japan. I had the time of my life, there. Having been bullied almost everywhere I went by my peers, I finally found a place where people liked me BECAUSE I was unusual, rather than it being a vice. I know this was probably just because I was a visitor, but I really felt incredible because of that experience. Since then, I've become attached to Japanese culture. If I move there, I may not experience the same kindness, but I don't really care. That place reminds me of a time when I actually felt accepted for once... when I was truly happy. If I'm treated terrible in Japan when I move there, I won't care so long as I'm reminded of that time.

I don't know if I'm making any sense, but please understand- I'm not putting down or praising anybody just because I think that they're better or worse for being Japanese or caucasian or whatever. I'm just saying that someone's experiences shape their view of the world and people in general.

Someone fond of Japanese persons may simply have had a good experience. Someone who hates caucasians may have simply had a bad experience.

That's all.


Why does Cyber Ape even bother posting anymore? It's like someone trying to keep fighting even after his guts have been ripped out and then force-fed back to him.

[seimeinogakusei]

OK, but you see, I don't treat any race differently from any other, so just because I mentally think that Asians(w/i state, city, etc, u get point) are "better" makes me a racist? You know, I don't see how that adds up as I've accepted everybody as normal people my whole life and continue to have close white friends of both genders of many ages, if I were truly a racist one could imply I wouldn't like whites PERIOD.
That's quite odd. Are you saying that as long as you don't voice your opinion (i.e. that Asians in GA are "better/superior" to the Caucasians) out loud there is nothing wrong? Wait, hold on...are your close white friends exempt from being like all the other whites in your area? Or do you feel because they aren't Asian they aren't as good?


No you dolt, you guys just kept trying to get me to be racist and didn't listen to anything I said. It's always been The Caucasians and Asians within the city of Evans, GA.
Uh, no. Just look at the quote you said earlier. (See below) I know, seeing as you've been living in GA for more than a year, that you know Evans and Augusta are two different cities with two different population statistics.

OK, I want you to read this, and if you neglect it, than I will leave this post and never post again. Ahem: The Asians within the city of Augusta, which is in the state of Georgia, the Asians are indeed superior to the Caucasians. Now then, that only applies to the people within Augusta, NOWHERE ELSE. Try to call me a racist now :balloon:
You are slipping up again.


However, you guys thought when I said Caucasians I meant every last one. Then when I said Georgia, you again thought every one in GA. The whole time I meant where I lived, and since you know my age I'm sure you know my location.
:shock: No, I don't and quite frankly it doesn't sound like you do either. Your profile says Aidane, Ga. You have said you live in both Evans and Augusta, GA. So, either you have that many homes in all those cities or something is really wrong.


"Question. Would a caucasian in Georgia saying that he and all the other caucasians are morally or intellectually superior to Asians be racist?"

No. If he accepted atleast one Asian, then he wouldn't be racist.
Hmmm...your idea of racism baffles me. So, there could be a person who openly says they are superior to another person of a different ethnic background and as long as that person has one friend of that background they aren't racist. According to your definition, it would be really hard to call most racist a racist. There are a good amount of racist who like to claim they aren't because they have a friend of another ethnicity. Even TwistedMac mentioned that. (See below)

heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe


Ugh, I'm so sick of this response. When I say father, I mean guardian. I watch over her, not be half her bearer. I did not committed anybody's egg, I'm just a guardian. Must I replace that word too, or are you going to accuse me of changing the story?

So, you feel like you're guardian of all Asian girls in your area? Did they ask you to be their guardian? Or do you feel that they are incapable of making their own decisions and protecting themselves?


Ugh, it's a shame that you don't read my posts. When I said Asians, I was implying you already knew. If you think I'm lying, check out some sort of census chart. You will see that there is a HIGH population of Koreans within the Evans, GA district. Try to prove me wrong about that; I've lived here a year and a half. As for the whole Caucasians, THE WHOLE TIME I MEANT WITHIN AUGUSTA, GA, BUT YOU FOOLS TOOK MY EXAGGERATION LITERALLY AND THOUGHT I MEANT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! Maybe if you'd realize that things aren't always literal you could see past your arrogance and certainty.

Again, why do you keep switching cities? You're being very inconsistent again. Nonetheless, I did check out the U.S. Census 200 stats on GA. Yes, Koreans are the largest population of Asians in GA. So what? The Vietnamese are the largest population of Asians where I am. What is that suppose to mean?:clueless:


Why does Cyber Ape even bother posting anymore? It's like someone trying to keep fighting even after his guts have been ripped out and then force-fed back to him.?
Kei, I suppose he wants to be understood. I would love to understand why he feels as he does.

[cyber ape]

"That's quite odd. Are you saying that as long as you don't voice your opinion (i.e. that Asians in GA are "better/superior" to the Caucasians) out loud there is nothing wrong? Wait, hold on...are your close white friends exempt from being like all the other whites in your area? Or do you feel because they aren't Asian they aren't as good?"

Yes, they are indeed exempt.

"No, I don't and quite frankly it doesn't sound like you do either. Your profile says Aidane, Ga. You have said you live in both Evans and Augusta, GA. So, either you have that many homes in all those cities or something is really wrong."

Evans is in Augusta :cool:

"Hmmm...your idea of racism baffles me. So, there could be a person who openly says they are superior to another person of a different ethnic background and as long as that person has one friend of that background they aren't racist."

Yes.

"According to your definition, it would be really hard to call most racist a racist. There are a good amount of racist who like to claim they aren't because they have a friend of another ethnicity. Even TwistedMac mentioned that. (See below)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedMac
heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe"

I know that. As far as I'm concerned racism is a hatred towards all members of one race. Thus, being racist against say African-Americans yet having an African-American friend wouldn't make you racist.

"So, you feel like you're guardian of all Asian girls in your area?"

No, just my friends.

"Did they ask you to be their guardian?"

Nope, I'm morally obliged.

"Or do you feel that they are incapable of making their own decisions and protecting themselves?"

Nope, I don't doubt them, but sometimes, people just need a nice big ***** slap when they go over the edge.

"Again, why do you keep switching cities? You're being very inconsistent again. Nonetheless, I did check out the U.S. Census 200 stats on GA. Yes, Koreans are the largest population of Asians in GA. So what? The Vietnamese are the largest population of Asians where I am. What is that suppose to mean?"

Um, I'm just saying that when I said Asians and was then accused of being a minority within a majority which confused...someone, fergot his name, I had to explain that I am a minority because I'm Japanese, not Korean. And, Evans is within Augusta. You see, I live in Martinez but am constantly going to Evans for school and other such things. Both are in Augusta.

"Kei, I suppose he wants to be understood. I would love to understand why he feels as he does."

Here:

1. You had to start things with me on my post. You didn't have to say anything, but you felt like I was some sort of racist, so instead of just keeping it inside or just a pithy "you racist!" you had to start an exploiting match
2. I'm defending my title
3. This is a war, and in war, you don't give up until you're absolutely defeated
4. Because, everyone's trying to misconstrue or spin the story so they can be right. Earlier I found it interesting, because you seemed to be trying to disprove my heritage. Then you accuse me of being a racist, and now changing the story?

Look, I guarantee you if I said "Peace treaty? Stop this. No more fighting" you guys continue. I've CONTINUOUSLY apologized, yet I haven't heard a shard of condolence towards me, which I suppose can be understood, but you guys treat me like I'm a retard, yet who keeps bringing this up? Seriously, don't just put up a shield and run, because every shield needs a supporter. Otherwise, I will break through the barrier.

Now then, I'll only ask this once, because knowing you guys, you'll be so arrogant that you'll either sink right into my belief that you have a fragment of genius in you, or you'll blatantly disregard it like a fool.

So, peace treaty? Or would you rather take me on?(yes, a Mimura quote, who else?)

[Kei_Shugojin]

"That's quite odd. Are you saying that as long as you don't voice your opinion (i.e. that Asians in GA are "better/superior" to the Caucasians) out loud there is nothing wrong? Wait, hold on...are your close white friends exempt from being like all the other whites in your area? Or do you feel because they aren't Asian they aren't as good?"

Yes, they are indeed exempt.

"No, I don't and quite frankly it doesn't sound like you do either. Your profile says Aidane, Ga. You have said you live in both Evans and Augusta, GA. So, either you have that many homes in all those cities or something is really wrong."

Evans is in Augusta :cool:

"Hmmm...your idea of racism baffles me. So, there could be a person who openly says they are superior to another person of a different ethnic background and as long as that person has one friend of that background they aren't racist."

Yes.

"According to your definition, it would be really hard to call most racist a racist. There are a good amount of racist who like to claim they aren't because they have a friend of another ethnicity. Even TwistedMac mentioned that. (See below)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedMac
heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe"

I know that. As far as I'm concerned racism is a hatred towards all members of one race. Thus, being racist against say African-Americans yet having an African-American friend wouldn't make you racist.

"So, you feel like you're guardian of all Asian girls in your area?"

No, just my friends.

"Did they ask you to be their guardian?"

Nope, I'm morally obliged.

"Or do you feel that they are incapable of making their own decisions and protecting themselves?"

Nope, I don't doubt them, but sometimes, people just need a nice big ***** slap when they go over the edge.

"Again, why do you keep switching cities? You're being very inconsistent again. Nonetheless, I did check out the U.S. Census 200 stats on GA. Yes, Koreans are the largest population of Asians in GA. So what? The Vietnamese are the largest population of Asians where I am. What is that suppose to mean?"

Um, I'm just saying that when I said Asians and was then accused of being a minority within a majority which confused...someone, fergot his name, I had to explain that I am a minority because I'm Japanese, not Korean. And, Evans is within Augusta. You see, I live in Martinez but am constantly going to Evans for school and other such things. Both are in Augusta.

"Kei, I suppose he wants to be understood. I would love to understand why he feels as he does."

Here:

1. You had to start things with me on my post. You didn't have to say anything, but you felt like I was some sort of racist, so instead of just keeping it inside or just a pithy "you racist!" you had to start an exploiting match
2. I'm defending my title
3. This is a war, and in war, you don't give up until you're absolutely defeated
4. Because, everyone's trying to misconstrue or spin the story so they can be right. Earlier I found it interesting, because you seemed to be trying to disprove my heritage. Then you accuse me of being a racist, and now changing the story?

Look, I guarantee you if I said "Peace treaty? Stop this. No more fighting" you guys continue. I've CONTINUOUSLY apologized, yet I haven't heard a shard of condolence towards me, which I suppose can be understood, but you guys treat me like I'm a retard, yet who keeps bringing this up? Seriously, don't just put up a shield and run, because every shield needs a supporter. Otherwise, I will break through the barrier.

Now then, I'll only ask this once, because knowing you guys, you'll be so arrogant that you'll either sink right into my belief that you have a fragment of genius in you, or you'll blatantly disregard it like a fool.

So, peace treaty? Or would you rather take me on?(yes, a Mimura quote, who else?)


Okay, here's the thing. You are basically putting down all of the caucasians in your area.

That's wrong, because it's a generalization without merit. Just because someone's a caucasian in your area doesn't mean he's going to fit your profile of a caucasian. Obviously, some of your friends are exempt from that. Another kind of generalization would make sense, i.e. "I hate all of the evangelist christians around here. They're always harassing me to join their religion/treating me like crap because I'm asian." Now that one I've heard before and understood. But generalizing against an entire race, even if it is limited to one area, is just wrong. Just a little piece of advice- let go of your caucasian generalization and find something else to dislike/hate about the people who get on your nerves. Are they all hillbillies? Are they all religious extremeists? etc.

Nothing hostile here. Just friendly criticism.

Number 1- this wasn't an exploiting match. We asked why and defended ourselves against your comments. That's what a forum allows for. If you really wanted us to "keep it inside" or "at just a pithy", then why did you even post? Most normal people don't just sit back and take every insult that comes their way. You're the only one who made it an "exploiting match" by trying to get sympathy from everyone when you started being proven wrong. Now it's just gotten to the point where you're embarassing yourself.

Number 2- You have no title to defend, okay? Just give up this futile argument and get a reputation as someone who knows how to say "Okay. I'm sorry. I was wrong". What we've heard is "I'm sorry you idiots misunderstood me". That sort of apology doesn't come off very well. We need to hear a full apology before anything else changes.

Number 3- If the war does not have a just cause, and you absolutely cannot win, then there's no other logical choice but to surrender and prevent any further bloodshed. And, also, you're the only one who made this a war. You tried to defend your insults, instead of doing an outright correction right at the beginning.

Number 4- the only one miscontruing or lying about anything here is you. You keep contradicting yourself. We'd all understood if you said "I'm sorry. I made a mistake in speaking. I realized my mistake, but I was afraid to admit I was wrong until it got this far."

Now, I can't accept any sort of "truce", because that would basically be a cop-out.

I think what we all want (and correct me if I'm wrong on this one, guys) is a total and complete surrender, immedeately followed by a full explanation (not one where you explain why you're right. One where you explain your mistakes) and an apology to every caucasian on the Jref forums. Your comments, wether you like it or not, were hurtful. You can't just indiscriminantly hit and push around and expect people not to hit and push back.

[Glenn]

"Hmmm...your idea of racism baffles me. So, there could be a person who openly says they are superior to another person of a different ethnic background and as long as that person has one friend of that background they aren't racist."

Yes.

According to the definition given by Mirriam-Webster's you are misunderstanding what racism is:

Main Entry: rac ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

So just holding the belief that one race is superior to another is racism by definition.

I mean three nationalities... Rudeness is a relative term too... Maybe those people I had mention above didn't think they were rude according to their culture.

Alright. I agree with you about rudeness being subjective and perhaps different depending on culture, which is one of the reasons that I believe that we'll probably never see a study on which race, nationality, etc. is the least rude. :p

[Kei_Shugojin]

lol. Thanks for that post, Glenn.

I can't wait for Cyberape to come up and go "No! You're wrong! I found THIS!"- and post up an entirely different definition of the word "Racism" and then follow his traditional tagline of him being right and everyone else being wrong.

[ragedaddy]

Is this cyber ape kid for real, I mean this dude seems pretty delusional.


"So, you feel like you're guardian of all Asian girls in your area?"

No, just my friends.

"Did they ask you to be their guardian?"

Nope, I'm morally obliged.

"Or do you feel that they are incapable of making their own decisions and protecting themselves?"

Nope, I don't doubt them, but sometimes, people just need a nice big ***** slap when they go over the edge.

Your friends probably think that you are more of a stalker than a guardian. You are trying them to protect them from white dudes hitting on them? Man someone should protect them from a lunatic that calls himself their guardian. It sounds like this clown needs a nice big ***** slap to knock him back into reality.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedMac
heh, I've seen whites pull the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" card before, but I've never seen the "I'm not racist, I have a white friend" one... hehe"

I know that. As far as I'm concerned racism is a hatred towards all members of one race. Thus, being racist against say African-Americans yet having an African-American friend wouldn't make you racist.

You think have friends of the same race you hate makes you exempt from being labelled racist? Wow you have some twisted ideas of how simple concept works. If you admit to hating a majority of a race, and then claim you're not racist because you have some friends of that race....wow seriously are you on some kinda drugs or what?

Man I swear you and mecharmor23 should go start your own white haters club. I could personally care less if you think you are more superior than other races, but when go out and start running off your mouth to the wrong person, don't act suprised if you wake up and you are in the hospital. There are tons of people that will not tolerate that stuff. Your name should be cyber contradiction, because that is all you do. If you are trying to persuade people on a certain view don't contradict yourself time after time, because you look make yourself look like an imbecile.

[cyber ape]

"Okay, here's the thing. You are basically putting down all of the caucasians in your area.

That's wrong, because it's a generalization without merit. Just because someone's a caucasian in your area doesn't mean he's going to fit your profile of a caucasian. Obviously, some of your friends are exempt from that. Another kind of generalization would make sense, i.e. "I hate all of the evangelist christians around here. They're always harassing me to join their religion/treating me like crap because I'm asian." Now that one I've heard before and understood. But generalizing against an entire race, even if it is limited to one area, is just wrong. Just a little piece of advice- let go of your caucasian generalization and find something else to dislike/hate about the people who get on your nerves. Are they all hillbillies? Are they all religious extremeists? etc.

Nothing hostile here. Just friendly criticism."

Too bad I said majority of Caucasians, huh?

"Number 1- this wasn't an exploiting match. We asked why and defended ourselves against your comments. That's what a forum allows for. If you really wanted us to "keep it inside" or "at just a pithy", then why did you even post?"

Because you dolt, the man asked a question and I answered. Thus he asked it: for answers. And, an exploiting match is when you quote someone then try to prove them wrong or "exploit" (show for personal gain) them.

"Most normal people don't just sit back and take every insult that comes their way."

It wasn't in your way bonkotsu!

"You're the only one who made it an "exploiting match""

Um, whoever begins the quoting is the one who begins the war, dolt.

"by trying to get sympathy from everyone when you started being proven wrong."

Why would I need sympathy if I'm winning? God you need to polish your rusty face.

"Now it's just gotten to the point where you're embarassing yourself."

Actually I'm feeling rather high spirited right now. Nothing gets me more pumped-up than winning a war, and exploiting's my #1 war-type.

"Number 2- You have no title to defend, okay?"

Undefeated Exploiting Champion.

"Just give up this futile argument and get a reputation as someone who knows how to say "Okay. I'm sorry. I was wrong". What we've heard is "I'm sorry you idiots misunderstood me". That sort of apology doesn't come off very well. We need to hear a full apology before anything else changes."

Um, firstly, as you can quite clearly above see, I DID apologize and DID offer a STOP TO ALL THIS FIGHTING, but as usual you idiots refuse to read anything I say and just use the typical Bill O'Reilly method of "Don't listen to him, just say OK OK to make it acknowledging, then say something absolutely incorrect and biased and radical, then when he proves you wrong either tell him to shut up, ignore him, or bring up something simple like a spelling error to make him look bad." And, why should I say sorry? You started this whole thing. I just stated my opinion, and then yuo went off. You could've done the mature thing and said "Nope, he's not worth it. Just let the idiot go", but instead you turned a molehill into a mountain and fell into my quicksand trap. Enjoy the bottom, because there'll be no escape.

"Number 3- If the war does not have a just cause, and you absolutely cannot win, then there's no other logical choice but to surrender and prevent any further bloodshed. And, also, you're the only one who made this a war. You tried to defend your insults, instead of doing an outright correction right at the beginning."

Um, exploiting wars aren't supposed to have "just causes." They're used to make others see the errors of their mistakes, thus called EXPLOITing wars. And, I didn't start the war, but I did help it, and so did you, as you too are a combatant. The first person, I believe you Kei, had to DEFEND YOURSELF against an unthreatening, peaceful warrior like me, and so of course when you FRAME ME, what will I do? I'll fight back and expose you as the fraud you are. Of course, since people like to hop in the bandwagon, it appears that nobody wishes to oppose you. Then again, nobody reads my posts thuroughly anyways.

"Number 4- the only one miscontruing or lying about anything here is you. You keep contradicting yourself. We'd all understood if you said "I'm sorry. I made a mistake in speaking. I realized my mistake, but I was afraid to admit I was wrong until it got this far.""

Um, I DID. I told you I did not mean ALL Caucasians, and I told you I did not mean ALL IN Georgia. And, that's not contradicting, it's your foolish inability to realize not everything that comes from my mouth is literal.

"Now, I can't accept any sort of "truce", because that would basically be a cop-out."

See? Immaturity. Also, CONTRADICTION! You rant on and on about how I started a war and ask me to apologize, then when I apologize and ASK FOR PEACE, all you do is continue? Just what are you fighting for? If you wish to continue the war I grant you great luck, because I'm a soldier who cannot be killed. Now, look, you're lucky I'd even give you a TITLE let alone a positive one for surrendering and claiming peace, but seriously, get with it. Either you're just as bad as me or just as peaceful. Which one?

"I think what we all want (and correct me if I'm wrong on this one, guys) is a total and complete surrender, immedeately followed by a full explanation (not one where you explain why you're right. One where you explain your mistakes) and an apology to every caucasian on the Jref forums."

Two things:

1. Are you blind? I already issued my offerings OF PEACE. Told you nobody reads anything I post thuroughly.

2. This post wasn't directed to every Caucasian within the forum you dolt, but the ones within Augusta, GA! God you are dense! The Titanic is rolling over in its grave!

"Your comments, wether you like it or not, were hurtful."

You know, I don't enjoy having to exploit you little kids, mainly because nobody's ever stood a good chance seeing as I'm so powerful. And no, this isn't like Marvel Vs Capcom where skills wins, this is something where either you're good or bad, and quite clearly my exploiting skills reign supreme. And, secondly, my post wasn't targeted to you. Do you live in Augusta, GA? If so you'll have my full, wholehearted apology. If not, I suggest you stop fending for other people you don't know. You stand up for Caucasians as if you can speak FOR ALL OF THEM. Until you understand the nature of "these particular Caucasians" I suggest sitting-down, because you'll really look like a *insert insult, I don't wish to acknowledge webster for a synonym*

"You can't just indiscriminantly hit and push around and expect people not to hit and push back."

I'm aware; that's Newton's 3rd Law. Too bad there are NO AUGUSTANS HERE TO PUSH BACK HUH WISE-***?
"
According to the definition given by Mirriam-Webster's you are misunderstanding what racism is:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary
Main Entry: rac ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

So just holding the belief that one race is superior to another is racism by definition."

Read #2 pal :gohan:

"I can't wait for Cyberape to come up and go "No! You're wrong! I found THIS!"- and post up an entirely different definition of the word "Racism" and then follow his traditional tagline of him being right and everyone else being wrong."

Just read #2 :relief:

"Your friends probably think that you are more of a stalker than a guardian."

Too bad I don't stalk them huh? I don't just follow them to make sure they make every descision with grand judgment. I'm just saying when I see them by chance at certain places, and they linger(in this situation, the arcade), I tend to watch over them. And, I don't follow them. I use my eyes, not my feet.

"You are trying them to protect them from white dudes hitting on them?"

Get with the news pal: I'm over that :balloon:

"Man someone should protect them from a lunatic that calls himself their guardian. It sounds like this clown needs a nice big ***** slap to knock him back into reality."

Uh oh! Somebody's looking into a mirror :p

"You think have friends of the same race you hate makes you exempt from being labelled racist?"

Um, if you hate them, you wouldn't make friends with them. Nice logic Hitler :-)

"Wow you have some twisted ideas of how simple concept works."

You sure do mirrorman

"If you admit to hating a majority of a race, and then claim you're not racist because you have some friends of that race....wow seriously are you on some kinda drugs or what?"

Um, I'm not racist because I don't hate the entire race.

"Man I swear you and mecharmor23 should go start your own white haters club."

No, but I have an unofficial campaign to help raise racial awareness. I don't hate whites.

"I could personally care less if you think you are more superior than other races,"

I don't

"but when go out and start running off your mouth to the wrong person, don't act suprised if you wake up and you are in the hospital."

Somebody's a baka. What don't you get? I don't hate whites, I don't run around spitting racial epithets, I don't call all my friends by their color, I don't say "Oh he's white, therefore he's uncool and/or cannot be my friend, and Asians clearly have a better sense of judgment then him." I really wish you sako would READ my posts before saying such radical things. You know who you guys remind me of? The radical republicans, who believed in the KKK belief that they should scare Africans away from voting offices so their republican candidates could win. An obscure reference, but nonetheless paints a generous portrait of you.

"There are tons of people that will not tolerate that stuff. Your name should be cyber contradiction, because that is all you do. If you are trying to persuade people on a certain view don't contradict yourself time after time, because you look make yourself look like an imbecile"

You know imbecile, I'm not trying to persuade anyone. You know, if you can't get your facts right, why bother? I'm not called the Undefeated Exploiting Champion. If you mess with a bees' nest, do the bees not come to swarm you with their rabid stingers? If you harm one body, does the body not harm back? You know my friend, there's blind egotism but crazy confidence, and that's a good trait to have, but you're just diving into a stream of raging hellfire, and it's too late to get out. I've been trying to explain to you throught all my posts. Read them. In fact, read them twice, because I'm a great writer, then read them a third time to get the point. You're the Chinese and you're invading my sea, and my kamikaze has just blown you away.

[King of Tokyo]

This guy is unbelievable.. So proudly ignorant.. Oh well.. Atleast he has the courage (Or stupidity? Egomaniacial?) to keep on fighting even after he has been proved wrong and been shown a fool.. I guess ignorance is bliss though, eh?

[ragedaddy]

"You are trying them to protect them from white dudes hitting on them?"

Get with the news pal: I'm over that

Hey dude, just because you are c*ck-blocking doesn't mean that a guy still can't mack. I love guys that try to play protector, man people just go by these dudes anyways. What do you do if one of your friends hits on a dude, I suppose you interfere with that. It sounds like you want to get with some of your friends, but they have no interest in you. Therefore, you've got the attitude if I can't be with them no one can. That's cool brotha, like Black Street says, "hate on Playa, playa hate on."


"You think have friends of the same race you hate makes you exempt from being labeled racist?"

Um, if you hate them, you wouldn't make friends with them. Nice logic Hitler


Man, you obviously can't even comprehend your own logic, no suprise there. You were the one claiming that if you have a white friend that makes you exempt from being labeled a racist if you have you people a majority of people because they're white. As for Hilter, besides being evil and sick, he was a intelligent man, so I take that as a compliment.

"Man someone should protect them from a lunatic that calls himself their guardian. It sounds like this clown needs a nice big ***** slap to knock him back into reality."

Uh oh! Somebody's looking into a mirror



I'm a vampire son, I can't be seen in the mirror, so I guess that leaves you.


"Wow you have some twisted ideas of how simple concept works."

You sure do mirrorman

Wow, I hope you didn't have to strain your abnormal brain with that original comeback.


"If you admit to hating a majority of a race, and then claim you're not racist because you have some friends of that race....wow seriously are you on some kinda drugs or what?"

Um, I'm not racist because I don't hate the entire race.

If you hate one person because of their race, you are considered racist. Man, are you that dense?

"Man I swear you and mecharmor23 should go start your own white haters club."

No, but I have an unofficial campaign to help raise racial awareness. I don't hate whites.

Hey take a look at your first post, you claim that you are not contradicting yourself, and also that you said that you don't hate whites. Check out your first post genius.


Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

cyber ape wrote: Well, I can't speak for Japan, so I really don't know. I never had a problem with anyone, until I moved here. Now, I really, really DESPISE caucasians. Of course, I look Caucasian, so everbody thinks I'm just a contradicting self-hating fool. Oh well.

You have just proved that you are a contradicting self-hating fool by this post.


"but when go out and start running off your mouth to the wrong person, don't act suprised if you wake up and you are in the hospital."

Somebody's a baka. What don't you get? I don't hate whites, I don't run around spitting racial epithets, I don't call all my friends by their color, I don't say "Oh he's white, therefore he's uncool and/or cannot be my friend, and Asians clearly have a better sense of judgment then him." I really wish you sako would READ my posts before saying such radical things. You know who you guys remind me of? The radical republicans, who believed in the KKK belief that they should scare Africans away from voting offices so their republican candidates could win. An obscure reference, but nonetheless paints a generous portrait of you.

Omae ha sekai de ii ban baka na hito no de damatta hou ga iin ja nai? You say you don't hate whites, you just really really despise them (hint: despise is a very similar to the word "hate" which you could use interchangably *wink*). So far, from your posts, you have accurately portrayed yourself as a radical republican, congrats.

"There are tons of people that will not tolerate that stuff. Your name should be cyber contradiction, because that is all you do. If you are trying to persuade people on a certain view don't contradict yourself time after time, because you look make yourself look like an imbecile"

You know imbecile, I'm not trying to persuade anyone. You know, if you can't get your facts right, why bother? I'm not called the Undefeated Exploiting Champion. If you mess with a bees' nest, do the bees not come to swarm you with their rabid stingers? If you harm one body, does the body not harm back? You know my friend, there's blind egotism but crazy confidence, and that's a good trait to have, but you're just diving into a stream of raging hellfire, and it's too late to get out. I've been trying to explain to you throught all my posts. Read them. In fact, read them twice, because I'm a great writer, then read them a third time to get the point. You're the Chinese and you're invading my sea, and my kamikaze has just blown you away.


You said it immaculately when you spouted out, "If you can't get your facts right, don't bother. That leads me to the question, why are you still bothering, because your facts either aren't facts, or they contradict each other. You should have the title of "Undefeated Exploiting Champion", because so far you have exploited yourself to the fullest of how much of an illogical, arrogant, ignorant, self proclaimed "guardian" of the asian race, you are the epitome of self contradiction. You say you have blind egoism, the only think you are blind on is seeing and expressing logical argument. Oh yeah, your crazy confidence =Cocky = Profusely Arrogant. I've read your points, and you have yet to make any worth posting. William Shakespeare was a great writer, Robert Frost is a great writer (Poet), you are a great writer of posting contracting nonsense that does not have any logical merit what-so-ever. Your kamikaze may be known as the "Divine Wind," but it is also the equivalent of a suicide bomber, and it shows because in every post you make, it is another act of committing suicide. Your logics couldn't beat themselves out of a wet paper bag with a knife. As Nas once said, "Aw made you look, you a slave to a page in my rhyme book." That fits most appropriately here, so back to school and learn something son.

[Kei_Shugojin]

Could someone PLEASE ban that ape? (Cyber Ape) He's doing nothing but getting on everyone's nerves. It's similar to the behavior of a small toddler.

[TwistedMac]

meh, he's not doing anything bannable.. except for his little insults shoved in here and there...

Personally I just stopped replying to his stuff since it's not like it's gonna change him anyway.. if he says "toast is good", five minutes later he might say "toast sucks"... if you were to construct a time machine, travel back in time and show him himself saying "toast is good", he would call you a dolt and say he meant he was the toast's father, so he's not being racist against toast.

facts mean NOTHING to this man. So what's the point in continuing arguing with him.

rather than banning, I call for a complete conversation embargo on cyber-ape! Next time he says something, don't even read it, but if you must, don't reply
You can break it if you want, but wouldn't it be great if everyone were to heed the embargo and just never say another word to him? just completely ignore his inane posts?

[Kei_Shugojin]

well, there is wisdom in what you say, TwistedMac. However, some people believe that they still have a chance at arguing with this child.

I don't think everyone would keep from responding.

Besides, he'd probably start harassing some of those who argued with him in PMs. All he does is sign on, reply on this ONE topic, and leave. Look at his post history- He lives for this.

[King of Tokyo]

if he says "toast is good", five minutes later he might say "toast sucks"... if you were to construct a time machine, travel back in time and show him himself saying "toast is good", he would call you a dolt and say he meant he was the toast's father, so he's not being racist against toast.


Haha.. I got a good chuckle out of that.. So true..

[ragedaddy]

Yeah, I'm down with the embargo, because I've taken this kid to school and back at least a dozen times, and he still can't come up with a logical thought. The best way to deal with these types of delusional/psychotic people is to ignore them. I bet if everybody ignores cyber ape, he would then try to battle himself with all of his contradicting posts, it would be cyber ape Vs. The other 5 voices in his head. Like I said, I already put the nail in this coffin......stick a fork in me, I'm done with this Bizzo......

[mad pierrot]

the ignore option.

[Kei_Shugojin]

wouldn't it be "stick a fork in him"?

And I think that actually consuming him would lower one's INT stat by approx. 985 points.

But, anyway, yeah. He's been taken to school, sent to special ed, and repeated about three times by about everyone on this board.

So really it doesn't matter anymore. He's probably gonna say that we're all insulting him by not saying things about him directly to his face.

But if he stops posting on this topic, he may leave altogether. He hasn't posted anywhere else in weeks.

... ALL FOR THE EMBARGO!!!

lol

[okaeri_man]

can we keep our posts shorter please? there's no way i'm reading all this ****. if you're unsure what i mean, please refer to mad pierrot previous post. it's about the only post i've read on this page.

[cyber ape]

"Hey dude, just because you are c*ck-blocking doesn't mean that a guy still can't mack."

Too bad I didn't interfere or "c*ck-block" huh?

"I love guys that try to play protector, man people just go by these dudes anyways. What do you do if one of your friends hits on a dude, I suppose you interfere with that."

Two things: 1. Gender doesn't dictate behavior, 2. I didn't interfere. Try reading

"It sounds like you want to get with some of your friends, but they have no interest in you."

Nope, I'm just keepin an eye on them.

"Therefore, you've got the attitude if I can't be with them no one can. That's cool brotha, like Black Street says, "hate on Playa, playa hate on.""

Um, I don't want to be with them, I'm just watching out for them. Is that too hard a concept?

"Man, you obviously can't even comprehend your own logic, no suprise there. You were the one claiming that if you have a white friend that makes you exempt from being labeled a racist if you have you people a majority of people because they're white. As for Hilter, besides being evil and sick, he was a intelligent man, so I take that as a compliment."

I know Hitler was intelligent, but he was, well, his intelligence just went down the drain at one time. OK pal, listen to this: If you claim to hate ALL WHITES yet have a WHITE friend, you do not hate ALL WHITES, now do you?

"If you hate one person because of their race, you are considered racist. Man, are you that dense?"

Too bad I don't hate anyone because of their race huh?

"Hey take a look at your first post, you claim that you are not contradicting yourself, and also that you said that you don't hate whites. Check out your first post genius.



Quote:
Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.

cyber ape wrote: Well, I can't speak for Japan, so I really don't know. I never had a problem with anyone, until I moved here. Now, I really, really DESPISE caucasians. Of course, I look Caucasian, so everbody thinks I'm just a contradicting self-hating fool. Oh well.

You have just proved that you are a contradicting self-hating fool by this post."

OK, how many times must I say this: I'm over that. You see, this is how you know when you're losing: you use older facts I've openly stated are invalid for I've moved past them, yet you continue to try to use them as if they're a sword. Idiot, they're a paper fan, not a sword. Go ahead and try to break my shield with that. If you keep insisting on using thigns I've said are invalid, then you're not going to win. I've already said I've moved past them. To quote the Devil,"Learn the facts, and wise up."

"Omae ha sekai de ii ban baka na hito no de damatta hou ga iin ja nai? You say you don't hate whites, you just really really despise them (hint: despise is a very similar to the word "hate" which you could use interchangably *wink*). So far, from your posts, you have accurately portrayed yourself as a radical republican, congrats."

I'm not republican, and I don't hate them. Get with the times pal; you're using stale posts on a new sandwich, and you're not gonna get any customers. Even a fool cannot catch a cold.

"You said it immaculately when you spouted out, "If you can't get your facts right, don't bother. That leads me to the question, why are you still bothering, because your facts either aren't facts, or they contradict each other. You should have the title of "Undefeated Exploiting Champion", because so far you have exploited yourself to the fullest of how much of an illogical, arrogant, ignorant, self proclaimed "guardian" of the asian race, you are the epitome of self contradiction. You say you have blind egoism, the only think you are blind on is seeing and expressing logical argument. Oh yeah, your crazy confidence =Cocky = Profusely Arrogant. I've read your points, and you have yet to make any worth posting. William Shakespeare was a great writer, Robert Frost is a great writer (Poet), you are a great writer of posting contracting nonsense that does not have any logical merit what-so-ever. Your kamikaze may be known as the "Divine Wind," but it is also the equivalent of a suicide bomber, and it shows because in every post you make, it is another act of committing suicide. Your logics couldn't beat themselves out of a wet paper bag with a knife. As Nas once said, "Aw made you look, you a slave to a page in my rhyme book." That fits most appropriately here, so back to school and learn something son."

You know, this is an exploitation war. Personal insults don't win, unless they apply to exploiting.

1. Illogical? So wait, you not reading my posts and then saying the most radical stuff with absolute confidence is logical?
2. Arrogant? Well, when you're a victor and a champion, you like to rub it in your foes' face, especially when THEY CHALLENGED YOU!
3. Ignorant. I'm about to vomit. You don't read my posts when I say "I'm over it" and I'M ignorant? Heh, shows how ILLOGICAL you are.
4. Um, I'm not a Guardian of the Asian race, I'm a guardian of my friends, as I see them as my children, and I wasn't the one who granted myself that title. And so what if I like to watch-out for my friends? Isn't that what friends do? And, unlike you seemto think, I did NOT interrupt(read my posts shounen) nor did I "c*ck-block" him. I just thought. And, incase you try to bring this up again, I'm over it. No use trying to ride a dead camel.
5. Self-Contradiction? Pal, ever heard of CHANGE OF HEART? CHANGING YOUR MIND? REALIZING YOUR MISTAKES AND CORRECTING THEM? Firstly, my statements were blown out of proportion by nonsense like I supposedly hate every living Caucasian in the world, then when I openely tell you,"I'm sorry, that was then, this is now. I don't hate whites, that two weeks ago, I'm over it" you just ignore it and act like I'm still racist? You know, THIS is the reason why I continue. All of you. Each and every last one of you is ignorant to all of my posts. How can you win an exploitation war on empty fuel? You've got the passion, just not the power. I'll give you one last shot, otherwise this war is won in the name of the Undefeated Exploiting Champion.
6. Um, I think when I said "Blind egotism AND CRAZY COURAGE", I kinda meant them together, and I said they were a great trait TO HAVE, not I HAVE.
7. Shakespheare and Frost are not great writers. Koushun Takami is a great writer, Basho is a great writer. And, I really meant that as a joke -_-.
8. I meant divine wind ^_~
9. As Nas ALSO once said: "You can hate me now, 'cuz I won't stop now." I've constantly offered apologies and peace-treaties, yet you Blind Fighters(if you don't know what a Blind Fighter is, read the two words closely) continue to rag on issues that are null and void.

Chakuseki, sako.

[mad pierrot]

This has been wa-a-a-a-ay to off topic for a long time. If anyone else wants to continue this dialoge with Cyberape, I'm going to split this thread off into another one.

[Kei_Shugojin]

*Is ecstatic that he doesn't have to read Cyber Ape's posts anymore. Thank god for ignore options*

Anyway, back on topic, the situation of discrimination against african americans is probably the same in alot of places. The only difference is that alot of areas in Japan have fewer african americans than everywhere else, and a lack of contact with someone of another race is bound to lead to fear of that person simply out of the human trait to fear what they don't understand.

[ViperII]

“Sorry buddy globalization is in full effect, and there is nothing you can do to halt this ongoing force. “

Globalization is a very bad idea. The more “global” the world is the less diverse we are.
I greatly fear a worldwide supergovernment form which there is no escape. The world is naturally “diverse” and there is great diversity within homegenous groups of people. Differenct customs, dialects, ect.

“That's nice that having a homogenous society worked well for the Japanese. You could say that communism worked well for many countries in the past, but you can see that is switching over due to globalization, and other various forces.”

The difference is that a homogenous society has served the Japanese quite well. Communism was a popular liberal concept at the time that was forced onto an entire population with devastating results. It’s no accident that Japan’s period of isolation is celebrated as its golden age. What you and people who share your beliefs are forcing onto other people is nothing short of ethnocentrism. It’s destructive and destabilizing to societies that just may be happy the way they are. The US and Western Europe are NOT the moral arbiters of the world and do NOT have the right to dictate to other peoples what is right and what is wrong and what should be changed. Anyone with half a brain can see that. I find it very ironic that 71.12% of the members here would prefer living in Japan. Why is that? Could it be because of their unique racial characteristics and the culture borne out of that? Could it be because they are different than you and live a different kind lifestyle? If everything is the same everywhere where would you go to be different? Mars?

“Quit living in the past there pal, wake up and smell the present. Diverseness makes the world go around, and having an absolute homogenous society would be the epitome of boredom.”

I reckon that if Japan was a 'mixed' and 'diverse' country then it wouldn't really be Japan anymore and you and I probably wouldn't be at this web log right now.” Japan was and is a relatively homogenous society, would you say that it’s boring there? Do you go to Japan to see Americans. No you go there to see Japanese people and Japanese culture. I rest my case

"It seems you need a dose of culture as well as education, and so maybe you won't end up developing into a waste of physical matter. Mixed cultures is not only a beautiful thing, it makes the whole world a more interesting place to live. "

I am educated as well or better than anyone else here. I hold a 2 year degree in Liberal Arts and I am going back for my BA next fall. Simply because I don't agree with you does not justify outright hostility and insults nor does it make be backwards and/or ignorant.

There is no evidence that 'diversity' is beneficial to any society or the lack there of is a determent. Race and cultures generally don't 'mix''. The 'race' with the most numbers will simply outbreed those with lesser numbers until the smaller populations disappear altogether....for example the indigenous Ainu and American Indian which you could probably count their numbers on your fingers.


Most of the people on this forum sound like like teenagers raised on a steady diet of MTV and CNN. Your liberal biases are disheartening to say the least. But the fact that you all *think* you’re peace loving “world citizens” with an open mind then turn around and attack someone who has a different opinion and world veiw viscously is utterly disgusting. What good will banning me do? I rarely visit this place for one and it only makes you a coward for silencing someone with a different viewpoint than you. And considering the hostility I’ve received here I’ll be a read only member anyway.

[Kamisama]

Because japanese people watched too many episodes of the cartoon "The Jetsons." They thought in the future.. there weren't suppose to be any....

Can't we all just... get along?

[mad pierrot]

give Viper a hug!

[ViperII]

mad pierrot....hug me and I will hug you back. What's your point?

[ragedaddy]

Hey Viper,

I'm not here to start fights, and toss out insults, but when you start out with blatant insults yourself, don't expect people to just sit there and tolerate it.
Let's go back to your first post which I thought was very insulting and a very ignorant point-of-view. You Wrote:

Japan belongs to the Japanese people. If they choose to stereotype people or be "racist" then so be it. Who are you as a foriegner to critisize a people that historically, for the most part kept to themselves and did not interfere with foriegn socities? Nor did they ask you to be there. I couldnt care less how negroes are treated in Japan. They don't need to be there. The more Japanese that move to Japan the less Japanese it will be. It will not be long before there won't be a full blooded Japanese person left in the world due to the liberal west's miscegenation dream. Having a homogenous society, which has worked for the Japanese for thousands of years is starting to being broken down and I think that it's a tragedy.

First off your terminology of the word "Negroes," is an absolutely derogative and demeaning term. In the times we are in today you should know better than to use such blatant disrespectful words...geez you might as well have dropped the n-bomb.

Secondly, who are you to dictate about where anybody should live, or go about their business. Everyone has a right to live where they want to, and so if a Westerner develops a love for Japan, and wants to live there they have every right to do so. You have no right what-so-ever to criticize a person for wanting to live where they please.

Third, all over the world there are groups of Japanese people who maintain some purity within another population. Take Brazil for example, they have a large Japanese population within Sao Paulo, where they have built there own "Japan Town," where the Japanese culture will never cease to exist. They still have a population of Japanese which are still "racially pure." The same goes with California as well, they have large amounts of Japanese people, and sure you can live in a different population, but you don't forget your "Roots."

Alright lets get to some of your next points:

Globalization is a very bad idea. The more “global” the world is the less diverse we are.
I greatly fear a worldwide supergovernment form which there is no escape. The world is naturally “diverse” and there is great diversity within homegenous groups of people. Differenct customs, dialects, ect.

Do you even have an understanding of what globalization is all about? Without globalization, we would not even be living the same lifestyles as we are now. For one, we would not have the technology that we do, and we probably would even be on here typing on a forum, because almost nobody would even own a computer. Through globalization, we were able to increase our techonlogy, our economies, and are able to be living at higher standards of living.

The concept of "Free Trade," is there for being able to increase the growth of a country's economy. Are you telling me that the Chinese are dreading the concept of globalization? Due to globalization, they are finally able to not only make their economy more efficient, but they are increasing the potential to become the next world "Economic Super Power." Since they have switched towards a more democratic sense China was able to make their economy more efficient through the privatization of their companies. Right now they have a huge population which equates to cheap labor, and through globalization, they are going to raise their standards of living, and head towards the status where the US is currently. Are you telling me it's wrong to give these new "developing countries," a chance at a higher PPP (Purchasing Power Parity, A.K.A. Standard of Living)? The South Eastern Countries have come a long way, and now that there are less trade barriers, they have the opportunities to reap the economic benefits, and so it's not just beneficial for the developed nations anymore.

The truth of the matter is that Japan, Today, could not survive as a top economic power if they were in a period of "Isolation." It may have worked well for them back in the past, but in these days if that was the case, they wouldn't be an economic power, they would have top notch technology, and they would probably have no choice but to get into the international market to survive. Japan's once renown economic powers "Sogoshosha" (Trading Companies) once generated a great deal of revenue for Japan, but once the late 80's and 90's hit their profits were consumed, and they were thought to maybe disappear. However, they are fighting back these days since they have got into more profitable markets such a Biotechnology and IT. Over 50% of their profits come from overseas operations. Japan's current problem is their banking system, and due to a significant number of bad loans, they are suffering. They are currently restructuring the whole banking system, and hopefully will see future growth in the industry. The point is that without investing abroad and being solely dependent on the domestic market, Japan would not be the technological phenomenon which it is known as these days.
The standard of living would be less, which means the companies would not have as much money to devote to Research and Development, thus you wouldn't be able to enjoy all these fancy little gadgets they sell these days.

The US and Western Europe are NOT the moral arbiters of the world and do NOT have the right to dictate to other peoples what is right and what is wrong and what should be changed. Anyone with half a brain can see that. I find it very ironic that 71.12% of the members here would prefer living in Japan. Why is that? Could it be because of their unique racial characteristics and the culture borne out of that? Could it be because they are different than you and live a different kind lifestyle? If everything is the same everywhere where would you go to be different? Mars?

Are you saying that Prime Minister Koizumi reports directly to Bush, Blair, and the rest of the leaders out there before making a decision that affects Japan?
What's the West trying to change? Japan was the one that opened its doors to foreigners, and if you were to go to Japan, the majority of Japanese don't hate Westerners. If there was a huge hatred towards Westerners by the majority of the Japanese people, then you would read about Japanese lynching Westerners everyday, but that just does not exist. The amount of racist people are not that significant. If I can live there for 2 years without one person displaying any acts of hate, then I guess that is pretty significant.
The 71.12% of the members here would prefer living in Japan is the same reason why probably 90-95% of Americans would prefer living in their homeland. It's all about where you have grown up, and of course you would feel more comfortable in your home culture, that is common sense at its simplest form.



I reckon that if Japan was a 'mixed' and 'diverse' country then it wouldn't really be Japan anymore and you and I probably wouldn't be at this web log right now.” Japan was and is a relatively homogenous society, would you say that it’s boring there? Do you go to Japan to see Americans. No you go there to see Japanese people and Japanese culture. I rest my case

If Japan was more of a diverse country, then there would be just as many people logged on here then there are now. Don't you get the point, just because different races are in the population, that doesn't mean the values and traditions are going to change. When people enter and live into a new country, they have to follow the norms and culture of that country. It's called adaptation, and people have been doing this for thousands of years. If Westerners want to survive in the Japanese Business world, they have to play by the Japanese rules, or they can forget it.

Do you really go to Japan to see American People you ask? Do the Japanese people go to America specifically to see other Asians? Of course not, but that doesn't mean they're not there. No one is forcing you to interact with anybody that you don't want to. That's like saying I am going to the Zoo to see the Panda Bears, and I do not want to see the lions. That's all good, no one is forcing you to see the Lions, but that doesn't mean they still don't exist.

I am educated as well or better than anyone else here. I hold a 2 year degree in Liberal Arts and I am going back for my BA next fall. Simply because I don't agree with you does not justify outright hostility and insults nor does it make be backwards and/or ignorant.

Most of the people on this forum sound like like teenagers raised on a steady diet of MTV and CNN. Your liberal biases are disheartening to say the least. But the fact that you all *think* you’re peace loving “world citizens” with an open mind then turn around and attack someone who has a different opinion and world veiw viscously is utterly disgusting. What good will banning me do? I rarely visit this place for one and it only makes you a coward for silencing someone with a different viewpoint than you. And considering the hostility I’ve received here I’ll be a read only member anyway.

Yes, that is definitely commendable to have a 2 year degree, and I have to give you props on wanting to further your education. There is no hostility from simply just disagreeing with you, and I believe your have the right to speak your mind, but when you cross the line on attacking a group, then that is where I draw the line. They way you presented yourself in the first post was very disrespectful, and if you can't recognize that then I guess there is no hope. No one is trying to silence you, so go ahead speak your mind, but don't think the preaching of hate is going to get you far anywhere.

I myself am far from being a teenager who feasts on gracious portions of MTV and CNN. I am a semester or so away from having a Double major in International Business and Business Administration. I also have 4 years of living abroad experience, so I think that I have a pretty good perspective on the "Global Business Scene." I try to stay away from biased news sources such as Fox News and CNN, instead I read more credible publications such as The Wall Street Journal and The Economist. They have a plethora of credible information on the International Aspects as well as Domestic.

There is no evidence that 'diversity' is beneficial to any society or the lack there of is a determent. Race and cultures generally don't 'mix''. The 'race' with the most numbers will simply outbreed those with lesser numbers until the smaller populations disappear altogether....for example the indigenous Ainu and American Indian which you could probably count their numbers on your fingers.

You say that there is no evidence that 'diversity' is beneficial to any society or the lack there of is a deterrent, and I have to disagree with that. Let's say you are in a company, and are trying to brain storm ways to solve a dilemma. Would you want a task force of the same culture that has the same ideas, views, and opinions, or would you want to mix it up, so that there are more ideas from a different point of view due to a different background and experiences. You would definitely want to go for more of a diverse team, so that there are more than just one point-of-view to look at one aspect.

The phrase "Race and cultures generally don't mix," has got to be the most offensive, disrespectful, and blatantly ignorant thing that I have ever heard. That is a slap in the face to any Bi-racial human beings, as well as people who are involved in relationships with other races. That's fine if you share the same Neo-Hilteristic views of racial purity, but you have no authority of that races should mix with others. The output is a beautiful blend of 2 different cultures and races. No one is saying that you have to marry outside of your race, but if people choose to do that, then that's their business, and not your concern. The Indians and Ainu populations weren't significantly decreased by mixed breeding, the reason for their sharp decrease was due to the fact the ugly fact of "Human Slaughter (Just like the Holocaust)." Therefore, you don't really have a grip of what's going on in the World, so I suggest taking International Business, as well as other Multicultural studies, because you are preaching hate brother, and it is just not right.

[bossel]

Globalization is a very bad idea. The more “global” the world is the less diverse we are.
Not really. Diversity is essentially in the individual, not in the collective an individual by coincidence belongs to.

there is great diversity within homegenous groups of people. Differenct customs, dialects, ect.
Right (although I can't see much homogenity in the world, anyway). & why should that change so much through globalization?

The US and Western Europe are NOT the moral arbiters of the world and do NOT have the right to dictate to other peoples what is right and what is wrong and what should be changed.
True, but that shouldn't be the essence of globalization. Globalization should mean more freedom: to move, to trade, to think, to say...

Race and cultures generally don't 'mix''. The 'race' with the most numbers will simply outbreed those with lesser numbers until the smaller populations disappear altogether....for example the indigenous Ainu and American Indian which you could probably count their numbers on your fingers.
Wrong! Races & cultures always mixed in history. Ainu & Indians were not "out-bred" but were pushed towards extinction by technologically advanced invaders &/or introduced diseases.

[TwistedMac]

ohmygod, it started again -_-
you do realize viper is ape, right?

[kirei_na_me]

It is kind of strange that they're the only two people on this entire site who don't know how to quote.

[King of Tokyo]

Viper has better grammar and puncuation. They don't seem to be the same person. However they do share the same dillusional ideals.

[TwistedMac]

Viper has better grammar and puncuation. They don't seem to be the same person. However they do share the same dillusional ideals.
hmmm.. true.. it does seem like it... just had me going with the "-" quoting instead of the apparently too hard work of using the [quote] tags.

[mad pierrot]

mad pierrot....hug me and I will hug you back. What's your point?

I like to give hugs! Besides, we're all one big happy family here.

:blush:

[ViperII]

Bossel

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for responding to my post with civility, respect, and objectivity when everyone else was hostile and insulting and resistant to a different opinion. Obviously we disagree on this subject and given that this place is not (at least from what I see) open to many different points of view, especially ones that are radically different, I see no point in debating this any further. No one can predict the future and who really knows what will happen 50, 100, 1000 years from now? Maybe a comet will hit our planet and kill us all. I hope not.

I don’t think I’ll be coming back here again because I just don’t feel very comfortable with such a hostile atmosphere. Thank you and God bless.

PS. To everyone else: Whoever this Ape person is, tis not I.

[cyber ape]

Viper has better grammar and puncuation. They don't seem to be the same person. However they do share the same dillusional ideals.

Better grammar and punctuation? Pal, I'm a grammar nazi. Besides, his ideas are true, and what's a recurring human trait? The blatant oblviousness to truth. Humans seem to have a hard time accepting truth, because they like to make a their own paradise, but then when it is shattered they tremble in fear and have to find something other than their shallow mind to blame.

While that's of little significance, you fools and just like the fools who voted for Bush.

"Globalization is a very bad idea. The more “global” the world is the less diverse we are."

Nothing wrong thus far. Hey! I've got a great idea! Let's get tons of people from every last country, state, province, clan, tribe, etc, and mix them with every other country, state, etc etc, that way all countries will be nearly copies of the next, except for the obvious language, monetary system, culture, etc. Because when I go to Japan, I would love for an Indian to make my yaki soba -_-

"I greatly fear a worldwide supergovernment form which there is no escape."

Now, this is one viewpoint I disagree with. Just because(hypathetically) the world is homogenous and every country holds every race doesn't mean they share the same ideas. I mean, one man (Xavier....um....forgot last name. Is it Xavier Frances?) once tried to spread Christianity to the Japanese. I'm pretty sure that lead to the period of isolation, or atleast the blocking of every other country(iuno about the Dutch, as they were interested in trade, not religious conversion). I doubt if we were all homogenous, boring, etc, we'd have the same form of government within every continent.

"The world is naturally “diverse” and there is great diversity within homegenous groups of people. Differenct customs, dialects, ect."

Hai Viper-Sama. I don't see what's so hard to see about that.

"The US and Western Europe are NOT the moral arbiters of the world and do NOT have the right to dictate to other peoples what is right and what is wrong and what should be changed."

As true as that is, what's that have to do with anything? I know the brain-dead Americans love to spread "freedom" and love to "liberate countries of their brutal dictators and political evils", but we've learned from the past: if people don't like something, they'll rebel, and likely overcome. And, even if they don't and are in need of dire help, unless they ask for our help, we shouldn't just assume and charge head-first. Crap, contradicted myself by posting this. Back to the original thought: "What does this have to do with anything?"

"Anyone with half a brain can see that. I find it very ironic that 71.12% of the members here would prefer living in Japan. Why is that? Could it be because of their unique racial characteristics and the culture borne out of that? Could it be because they are different than you and live a different kind lifestyle? If everything is the same everywhere where would you go to be different? Mars?"

Exactly!

"I reckon that if Japan was a 'mixed' and 'diverse' country then it wouldn't really be Japan anymore and you and I probably wouldn't be at this web log right now.” Japan was and is a relatively homogenous society, would you say that it’s boring there? Do you go to Japan to see Americans. No you go there to see Japanese people and Japanese culture. I rest my case"

I don't see how anyone can argue that. I mean....no, that's unarguable. Bull's-eye Viper.

"I am educated as well or better than anyone else here. I hold a 2 year degree in Liberal Arts and I am going back for my BA next fall."

Not that this matters, but titles don't dictate power :wave:

"Simply because I don't agree with you does not justify outright hostility and insults nor does it make be backwards and/or ignorant."

This line could've helped me out alot in my exploiting war above.

"There is no evidence that 'diversity' is beneficial to any society or the lack there of is a determent. Race and cultures generally don't 'mix''."

Um, yes they do. I mean, at first there has to be bloodshed, because if you don't kill something that isn't your kind, you're not a good human. After nearly 2/3rds of that race is lying dead, sprawled out on the ground, only then can you actually sign a treaty and interbreed. Great how things work out huh?

"The 'race' with the most numbers will simply outbreed those with lesser numbers until the smaller populations disappear altogether....for example the indigenous Ainu and American Indian which you could probably count their numbers on your fingers."

Yep, because there are so many Aztecs alive ^_~

"Most of the people on this forum sound like like teenagers raised on a steady diet of MTV and CNN."

Replace CNN with Fox News ^_~

"Your liberal biases are disheartening to say the least. But the fact that you all *think* you’re peace loving “world citizens” with an open mind then turn around and attack someone who has a different opinion and world veiw viscously is utterly disgusting."

Now you know how I feel.

"What good will banning me do? I rarely visit this place for one and it only makes you a coward for silencing someone with a different viewpoint than you. And considering the hostility I’ve received here I’ll be a read only member anyway."

Aren't we all READ-only members? I don't recall seeing any VOCAL-only members. Anyways, cheers mate. If I knew where you lived I wouldn't hesitate in inviting you to a Samuel Adam's or Sapporo Ichiban, whichever your prefer.

Look, I appreciate all races for all of their many differences, and if we were all the same it'd suck, but seriously......sorry, I really don't know what this whole discussion's about. If you want to mix any country in with other countrie's residents, keep them at a stint, because most countries have already been influenced by other countries, which is fine, cept, NOT when I turn on the Fujisankei News and hear about Brittany Spears! You can have all kinds of races in all countries, and they can and should enjoy their lives without persecution, BUT, having Caucasians and/or Africans and/or Hispanics...you get the point, as a majority or close-to in other countries excluding their home, then that countrie's in dire need of some racial eradication, if you will. Just look at Korea. Sure, it's a fine place IMO, but ever since the Americans(and don't dare calling me racist, this is historical) invaded Korea, it's become a very western country. I don't think I need any examples, but the ever impending "You're so ignorant! Korea developed those ideas on their own! They make resemble American ideas, but it's just coincedence. God you're so racist and stupid and ignorant" is coming soon, so I'll probly have to get some evidence.

Viper and I are not the same person. I haven't been to this place in about a week. Either way, he holds some genius ideas(well, they're actually simple ideas, but the way America's brainwashed right now...), and you should admire him, or at the very least acknowledge his thoughts. How are they dillusional, King of Tokyo?

Bossel

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for responding to my post with civility, respect, and objectivity when everyone else was hostile and insulting and resistant to a different opinion. Obviously we disagree on this subject and given that this place is not (at least from what I see) open to many different points of view, especially ones that are radically different, I see no point in debating this any further. No one can predict the future and who really knows what will happen 50, 100, 1000 years from now? Maybe a comet will hit our planet and kill us all. I hope not.

I don’t think I’ll be coming back here again because I just don’t feel very comfortable with such a hostile atmosphere. Thank you and God bless.

PS. To everyone else: Whoever this Ape person is, tis not I.

Do you have an AIM or E-Mail address I can reach you at? Although it is rather disheartening when your every thought is looked at with such fierce eyes, you shouldn't let them get to you. If you must, voice your opinion, then leave, because if all they're going to do is yell at you, they're not worthy of talking to ^_~

[King of Tokyo]

While I no longer bother reading your posts, I found this little gem and thought it was hilarious.

While that's of little significance, you fools and just like the fools who voted for Bush.

Ever read my sig, buddy? I'm strongly Anti-Bush. You give liberals a bad name. Liberals are primarily considered Anti-Racist and tolerant of others, so I can't accept you into the club. Sorry, pal.

Anyway, I can't spend too much time in this thread, I feel stupider already.

[corocoro]

I apologize my bad English beforehand, but I just wanted to tell people here that I could relate with some of ViperII's comments like below(but please deduct any hostility if there's anything like that. I really can't pick up the small nuances in English. :sorry: )...

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What you and people who share your beliefs are forcing onto other people is nothing
short of ethnocentrism. It’s destructive and destabilizing to societies that just may be happy the way they are. The US and Western Europe are NOT the moral arbiters of the world and do NOT have the right to dictate to other peoples what is right and what is wrong and what should be changed.
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Your liberal biases are disheartening to say the least. But the fact that you all *think* you’re peace loving “world citizens” with an open mind then turn around and attack someone who has a different opinion and world veiw viscously is utterly disgusting.
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Please do not get me wrong. I have nothing against people here nor people of any race group, Most of people here seem very friendly and have a lot of interests in our country. I appreciate it very much. Thank you. I can see my country from different point of view through you guys opinions. I also love to communicate people who have different background and know their cultures. To me it's so exciting. Everytime I visit multiethnic countries, I envy them because of the diversity they have. They can experience different cultures in their daily life without going abroad.

Compare to that, living in Japan as a Japanese is less exciting. I think I'd rather choose to live in outside of Japan somewhere more mixed-race country. But when I think about Japan becoming a one of those, I feel the same like what ViperII said. I wouldn't be much interested in other countries if those were the same as mine. I mean I feel Japan will lose our uniqueness in a way by becoming a multiethnic country. and then I thought "Why would we have to be in the first place?" and "What's wrong with being a homogenous country?(to myself)" like that.

Personally(and I'm sure most of Japanese think so too), I would welcome every person of any race who can respect our value, our way of life and sympathize with us. But I hate to see our society would lose the togetherness that we have now by the people just bring their own western cultural value and try to change Japan the way westerners would like it. Because western influence is already evrywhere in this world and I think it's too much. In addition, the togetherness that homegenous society like us has is rare and unique and that's what makes Japan special(in other way boring! :p ).

Honestly, I feel a little frustrated and offended when I see some people in those Japan related forums say that Japan is like this and like that(Most of time I feel like "I'm sorry but you don't really understand us...") or should do this and shouldn't do that. I often feel westerners(not all of them of course) tend to see the world only through their viewpoint without trying to understand ours or others. Seem like don't even notice it and somehow, they thinks their value is superior to others. I don't know why... :sorry:

I 'm not sure if people who read this would understand what I wanted to say, So I would like to tell people again that I love people of all races who are open-minded to other cultures and don't judge them on your value. I would appreciate if people would accept us just as we are.

PS. I haven't read all the comments so my post might miss the point.

Thank you. :wave:

[cyber ape]

While I no longer bother reading your posts, I found this little gem and thought it was hilarious.



Ever read my sig, buddy? I'm strongly Anti-Bush. You give liberals a bad name. Liberals are primarily considered Anti-Racist and tolerant of others, so I can't accept you into the club. Sorry, pal.

Anyway, I can't spend too much time in this thread, I feel stupider already.

Um, I don't care if I give liberals a bad name or not, because I'm not one of them. I'm anti-racist and tolerant of others, but I'm not liberal, so I'll be proud to tarnish their name as I don't stand for it ^_~. I don't care if you accept me or not; I didn't ask for that title.

Anyways, corocoro got it right too. Omedettou ^_~

[Harvey]

People in Japan will stare at black people yeah, but also at Indian people, tall people, fat people, pretty much anyone that they wouldn't normally see walking around.

It's kind the same reaction you would have if you saw a little white girl like 9 years old walking around I dunno... in a 99.9% black area in the states or something.

Here's something for ya though. The stares are literally. I kid you not. Literally, 10 times as "bad" (not bad though, just different!) in India than they are in Japan.

Also, even in Beijing... I got stared at more than I normally do in Japan.

It is something you get used to after a while really.

It's nothing about "not liking" people. It's pretty much just shock and curiosity.

[corocoro]

Anyways, corocoro got it right too. Omedettou ^_~

Hi Cyber ape. :wave:
Thank you for responding to my post. But I don't know whether I sould say "Thank you" to your "Omedetou" comment. No one except you would have been replied to my post. Now I'm worried that I sounded like an ignorant and a typical xenophobia or racist Japanese that they would imagine and distracted the atmosphere of this nice forum which I have no intention to. I wish I could use proper English that I can tell my opinion in a good and friendly manner especially when we have different opinion like this. These forums are for communication, not for offending people. I hope you would agree with me. :-)

People in Japan will stare at black people yeah, but also at Indian people, tall people, fat people, pretty much anyone that they wouldn't normally see walking around.

It's kind the same reaction you would have if you saw a little white girl like 9 years old walking around I dunno... in a 99.9% black area in the states or something.

Here's something for ya though. The stares are literally. I kid you not. Literally, 10 times as "bad" (not bad though, just different!) in India than they are in Japan.

Also, even in Beijing... I got stared at more than I normally do in Japan.

It is something you get used to after a while really.

It's nothing about "not liking" people. It's pretty much just shock and curiosity.

And I agree with Harvey. :cool:

[cyber ape]

"Thank you for responding to my post. But I don't know whether I sould say "Thank you" to your "Omedetou" comment. No one except you would have been replied to my post."

Well, this is a rather old topic.

"Now I'm worried that I sounded like an ignorant and a typical xenophobia"

Um, give you a hint; you don't have bad English if you know what xenophobia is ^_~

"or racist Japanese that they would imagine and distracted the atmosphere of this nice forum which I have no intention to."

Nah, you don't sound racist. You're speaking your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

"I wish I could use proper English that I can tell my opinion in a good and friendly manner especially when we have different opinion like this."

You speak English rather well. Besides, I'm the only grammar nazi here. Not many care for correct punctuation, word choice, sentence structure, etc. Just how old are you anyway?

"These forums are for communication, not for offending people. I hope you would agree with me."

Yep, and, FYI, intentionally offending people = flaming, a banworthy offense.

意見のあなたのポイントをありがとう、 このフォーラムがであるもののためそれがであるので。

[J44xm]

I was walking with my Japanese friend at school today and there were so many Japanese students giving me bad looks. [...] Is it because Japan has been so closed to foreigners for the longest time, I think there was an Emperor that made it illegal for foreigners to visit Japan awhile ago, I guess this is still in the Japanese minds, even today. That's pretty sad if you ask me.
I have some comments, if I might. First, don't assume that the looks you received were "bad looks." There's no telling what those looks might have been about. Clearly, I wasn't there and can't really comment on this further, but as you grow older, you'll learn that such things aren't always exactly what they seem to be. Maybe the girls were jealous of your friend (for hanging out with the attractive and exotic black guy) and the guys were jealous of you (for hanging out with the attractive Japanese girl). My point is just that you never know.

Second, don't concoct your own theories about the reason for their stares. You said, "I guess this is still in the Japanese minds." You don't know that, and you don't know that that is anywhere near what those people where thinking or feeling. How about, "I guess this might still be in the minds of the Japanese today. If that's the case, that would be pretty sad"?

Awhile ago, I took two Japanese girls out and we ran into a group of Japanese tourists, all they did was stare at us, one of the girls I took out has an I don't want to be here look. I took them home and never called them again.

I don't want to be a target for staring everytime I go out with my Japanese friends or maybe one day I find a Japanese girlfriend, but I'm thinking that will never happen.
(You "took two Japanese girls out"?! Dude ...)

Did you think that, perhaps, that girl simply didn't like being stared at like that? Maybe you misconstrued her reaction. Me, I dislike being stared at too. Sure, maybe she could have handled it better -- as, perhaps, could you as well -- but one thing you've got to learn about relationships is that you shouldn't assume things like that, especially with people you don't know well. You could have asked her if the tourists were making her uncomfortable.

Or maybe everything happened just as you believe. Whatever the case, try not to let a couple of bad experiences ruin the whole pie, man. ^_^ I hope to visit and perhaps live in Japan one day (though earthquakes are a frightening concept!). I hope to be accepted, but I might end up having to win them over, and win them over I shall.

[NerveShOcK]

This is a very interesting post. I would like to visit Japan one day, but I don't want to be an outkast. However so far when I lived in Hong Kong people assume I was chinese, in Taiwan they assume I was Taiwanese, and in US I get mistaken as a Hispanic. I dunno about Japan though.

[Kurai Ouji]

I see no problem with interracial/cultural/nationality breeding. I'm English,Irish, German,Dutch and maybe more others that I don't know of. I should be moving to Tokyo this June so i'll get to experience the culture shock everyone talks about. It should be fun. They might say "look scary american", just kidding. I don't think the staring will bother me. I usually space out when in public. I'm a little anthropophobic (had to look that one up) means 'abnormal and persistent fear of people and society' if anyone was wondering.

[Shooter452]

I am reluctant to dip my oar in this one. I do not know the Japanese so well that I should put my opinions over their motives. But, if we are to discuss this with serious intent, I must postulate the following:

We do not know the thoughts of millions of Japanese. If they have negative opinions of black Americans (just black Americans? Maybe black Africans too, black South Americans? All blacks, everywhere?) is it possible that those opinions are influenced by the opinions of white Americans? Japan was occupied by the USA for over twenty years and the US presence dominated every facet of Japanese life. Is it just possible that they learned this behavior from us (assuming that this is true at all).

If they resent Black Americans, is it possible that this resentment is the result of the bad conduct of Black Americans? Just because a generalization is what it is there is no reason to assume that it is by definition incorrect. Some of the nastiest and most blatantly bigoted opinions are based in factual evidence. But they seldom (never?) apply all of the time.

Anything prejudiced that is learned can also be unlearned. But, what it cannot be is undone instantly. These things take time, and effort from those who are suffer from that generalization. Just because it is not generally applicable does not mean that it is never applicable. Change that which others find offensive within you. No more can be done.

I did not make it this way....

Ita erat quando hic adveni

[llanarth]

They stare at white people too! In fact it doesn't matter what colour you are. If you're a different colour many people (but don't all) are likely to stare.

It's easy to feel negative about this but don't

It's not always hostile, just Japanese aren't used to seeing different colours. I don't know if it's a city you live in but when I taught in Japan I got stared at all the time. Develop a sense of humour. A big one. It cuts through the ice

[J44xm]

That's one thing that we have to keep in mind, that Japan is a much more homogenous country than America and many other countries are. Here in America, I see people of different backgrounds and cultures so often that I'm accustomed to it to the point of not consciously noticing. That's one thing I'll miss if I move to Japan. (Heck, once I've been there for a while, I might stare if I see a non-Japanese person!)

[Damicci]

Give them a big V with a grin! O'course i'll have to see being a 6'4" African Merican Male who is dead sexy. wow i guess i'll just get a pen ready for autographs. lol

[NagoyaIan]

People stare at me a lot here. But when I started dating Minako, they stared even more! Funniest thing was when we were looking after her niece, all the Japanese we passed were looking in the pram to see what the baby looked like, as they thought it was ours! Very amusing.

Fact is, it happens all the time. You just get used to it. Accept it, as it won't change anytime soon.

[Harvey]

This commercial is from Thailand, not Japan.

Still though, gives you an extreme glimpse at some of the Asian perception of blacks.

http://www.japannewbie.com/2006/12/27/black-people-toothpaste/

This is a commercial that is on the air even today!

[longtailedmonkey]

aaaaaaaaa, it's free attention, anyway, I agree with some, maybe they were hoping to talk to the Japanese person. Or if they really are staring cause you're black, you're not ashamed of being black, so don't fret. There are people who get more than glares for talking in their free will.

Or maybe you're just not the type that's comfortable with attention. Hmm, well, maybe you should just think about your life, your sightseeing, your understanding of culture and how you help the old lady next door, how you save a kitten, how you eat, how your life is. Then, you might be able to get rid of the staring phobia, I mean, stared-at phobia.

[irish-j-rock-fan]

weird for a Japanese person to walk with a black person what the ..
i dont find anything wrong with it myself but like once it was weird for any one that was diffrent colour to one another thought it was werid but now days some people are still like that they just wont stop livein in the past.

[Dutch Baka]

lol, where did this thread come from

[ghettocities]

Japanese girls don't seem to mind it with me and I'm pretty tan.


Josh

[Damicci]

Back from the dead and with experience. For the most part I think it has to do more with curiosity than anything. Most people seemed curious than spiteful. Also depending on your look, many may mistake for someone else. Not often you get 2 school buses full of kids steppin gover each other to wave at you. heheheh

I used to think negative about it myself but I enjoy freaking people out when I smiled at them and they shy away. Or greet a staring Japanese person with wave and subtle "こんにちは"。

[Rememo]

"Now, Mr C Ape. would you want to stop that?"
If I saw a man with spiked hair, I too would likely be enticed to touch, or atleast marvel. Either way, I'd be more at ease in Japan, mainly because I wouldn't be as unhappy there as I am here.
"So he hates any caucasians but he isn't a 'full blood' Japanese? Self loathing?"
You know, I never said the other half. For all you know I could be 50 % Japanese, 50 % Indian. If you must know, I'm 50 % Japanese, 25 % Greek, 20% Caucasian, 5% Egyptian. I don't care if it's self-loathing or not. I will unabashedly say that I highly DISLIKE Caucasians.
"Cyber ape: Wtf, what did i do? O__o"
Nothing?
"Here he shows taht he deosn't even know what a Japanese futon is."
So? I didn't know of Doraemon until August...
"Japan didn't did they?"
'Fraid so. Konami is a Japanese company.
"sigh* yet he seems very much to be one himself."
I'm a foreigner?
"Plus why is continuously referring to himself or other Japanese as Japs? Somethings not right with the ape."
I apologize if I don't believe in the racial ephitet. Firstly because it is the associative term used by the majority of my friends, mainly to infringe on the fact that it is often misconstrued as a racial comment, but also because, you wouldn't say ,"I am a Japanese." You say "I am Japanese" or "I am a Jap."

The funny thing I see here is that you'd probably be the first person to whine if someone came on this forum and said they didn't like Japanese people. Really, if you have an attitude like that I think you're on the wrong forum. =/

[TOKYO64]

Yeah I got more looks in Hawaii when I walked down the street with Japanese than I did in Japan. But I think they are just curious and when you live in a country where 98% of the people are the same race, you notice different races right away.

[taehyun]

I have seen many such couples around me and it looks like they are accepted just like any other interracial couple.
I had very bad experience once, however, with one Japanese man, who wanted me to introduce him to a foreign girl, but he didn't wanted "black girl". I decided to be a...female dog...and told him that I know only black girls, but this strange creature didn't get the hint and kept saying:"It can't be!Don't you really, really know any other woman from your country?!".Moral: There are ignorant and strange people everywhere, somewhere more, somewhere less of them.

[TOKYO64]

In all my years in Japan I've never seen a Japanese man with a Black woman! I think the Japanese man may feel intimidated by Black women because there isn't enough media on Black women in Japan, it is almost like they don't even exist. Keep in mind that Japanese society cannot function without knowing something about a group of people. They have been exposed to Black men, white men and white women for years, but their exposure to Black women is very rare.

[Mikawa Ossan]

I can honestly only think of one black woman that I've ever seen here. I can black men very easily just by going to Nagoya, but even there I don't think I've ever seen a black woman. Nor in Tokyo or Osaka or Hiroshima or Fukuoka or...

[TOKYO64]

That's because most black women in Japan are in the military and are usually involved in a relationship so if you see them you'll see them with a non-japanese man.

[Mikawa Ossan]

That's because most black women in Japan are in the military and are usually involved in a relationship so if you see them you'll see them with a non-japanese man.
I think you misunderstand me. I have only seen one black woman in Japan, period. I'm sure there is a sizeable population, but I have only actually seen one of them. If I saw a black woman tomorrow, that would double the number of black women that I have seen in Japan.

[TOKYO64]

I think you misunderstand me. I have only seen one black woman in Japan, period. I'm sure there is a sizeable population, but I have only actually seen one of them. If I saw a black woman tomorrow, that would double the number of black women that I have seen in Japan.

I understand. I was just giving you a reason why you have only seen one black woman. When I was teaching in Osaka, I only saw one black woman too!

[taehyun]

Japanese really don't meet many black women ,especially in smaller cities, but I see every day in the local CD shop, or in Geo and Tsutaya posters with Beyonce and other beautiful black women, and , maybe it is my impression only, but some Japanese female stars even try to imitate their style (even the makeup). I can think of Utada Hikaru some years ago, I'm not much into pop-music.

[Mikawa Ossan]

OK, gotcha!

But seriously, where are they, though? They have to go out to town now and then, don't they? I've never thought about it much before now, but it does seem strange to be able to actually see so few black women here...I mean, I've met more people from Saudi Arabia than I have black women of all nationalities combined!

[TOKYO64]

Yeah I've seen those kinds of stars in Japan.

[Mikawa Ossan]

Japanese really don't meet many black women ,especially in smaller cities, but I see every day in the local CD shop, or in Geo and Tsutaya posters with Beyonce and other beautiful black women, and , maybe it is my impression only, but some Japanese female stars even try to imitate their style (even the makeup). I can think of Utada Hikaru some years ago, I'm not much into pop-music.
I agree with you 100% on this one!

[TOKYO64]

OK, gotcha!
But seriously, where are they, though? They have to go out to town now and then, don't they? I've never thought about it much before now, but it does seem strange to be able to actually see so few black women here...I mean, I've met more people from Saudi Arabia than I have black women of all nationalities combined!

They are around the bases. I saw many in Okinawa when I was stationed there. But once you get away from the bases you will not see them. Many black women find Japan an uncomfortable place for them and they tend to migrate to Europe instead becasue they feel very comfortable there. European men love black women, just like the women in Europe love Black men. Black women are the type of woman that must feel in control of her environment, otherwise she won't be there. There are many cases where the Black wives of servicemen stationed in Japan return home never to come back or they stay with their husband but spend their time waiting for the next trip home. Then once they get home they try to find an excuse not to return.

[Mikawa Ossan]

They are around the bases. I saw many in Okinawa when I was stationed there. But once you get away from the bases you will not see them. Many black women find Japan an uncomfortable place for them and they tend to migrate to Europe instead becasue they feel very comfortable there. European men love black women, just like the women in Europe love Black men. Black women are the type of woman that must feel in control of her environment, otherwise she won't be there. There are many cases where the Black wives of servicemen stationed in Japan return home never to come back or they stay with their husband but spend their time waiting for the next trip home. Then once they get home they try to find an excuse not to return.
Interesting....
But why do you never see black women doing the Eikaiwa circuit? Just regular people who are coming to Japan for the first time. Do you know what I mean? People who have really no idea to expect from Japan but come for the experience or whatever like you see so many white people do?

[TOKYO64]

OK, gotcha!
But seriously, where are they, though? They have to go out to town now and then, don't they? I've never thought about it much before now, but it does seem strange to be able to actually see so few black women here...I mean, I've met more people from Saudi Arabia than I have black women of all nationalities combined!
Interesting....
But why do you never see black women doing the Eikaiwa circuit? Just regular people who are coming to Japan for the first time. Do you know what I mean? People who have really no idea to expect from Japan but come for the experience or whatever like you see so many white people do?

It's because many of them don't really have time to travel because they are bogged down with kids, relationships or other activities. Also they don't feel comfortable traveling somewhere to work, live or play by themselves. For example if they want to come to Japan to do the eikaiwa thing they would want to come wih one of their best girlfriends, but usually all of their girlfriends are in some sort of situation and it is rare to see two black women who are completely free to do what they want to do. And black women feel stronger around other black people. Black men will venture out more because we don't have the baggage that black women do. I mean black women don't necessarily have more baggage but they seem to create unnecessary problems and concerns for themselves. Thus this keeps them from doing what I did; just jump on a plane and give themselves two weeks to find a job in Japan.

[Damicci]

In all my years in Japan I've never seen a Japanese man with a Black woman! I think the Japanese man may feel intimidated by Black women because there isn't enough media on Black women in Japan, it is almost like they don't even exist. Keep in mind that Japanese society cannot function without knowing something about a group of people. They have been exposed to Black men, white men and white women for years, but their exposure to Black women is very rare.

You obviously don't get out often.:p
I see it all the time not in public but in clubs though. matter fact there is a black chic in Fukuok athat frequents Sam'n'Dave and she always has a Japanese fellow or 2 with her. Friend sI don' tknow but I would think they hang out alot.

[Harvey]

I have seen it as well.

[maushan3]

Lol, I don't think it is racism. Just that they are obviously in awe because it is well... rather strange.

Mauricio Mejia

[TOKYO64]

You obviously don't get out often.:p
I see it all the time not in public but in clubs though. matter fact there is a black chic in Fukuok athat frequents Sam'n'Dave and she always has a Japanese fellow or 2 with her. Friend sI don' tknow but I would think they hang out alot.

I've been everywhere but Fukuoka. I need to check it out. But to get back to what you were saying I've seen that kind of thing in Tokyo once in a while and usually the woman is an entertainer like a singer in a band or something, or maybe even a big time celebrity.

[macadamia_cocoa]

Well - I don't know where you were staying, but in Sendai, I was warmly accepted. Everyone was curious about my skin color, where I came from, why I was there... People thought it was cool that I was black.

The worst reaction I ever got while there was when I was dressed with a blonde wig and sweet lolita. A group of guys ran away from me and my friends. XD But that's understandable, I guess. No one ever cared that I was with Japanese friends.

You'll always get stares, though. Not always mean stares. Just blank looks of amazement.

[yoshirotokagewaki]

not all japanese people are like that anyway... my math professor (who is Japanese) has an almost favorite black student coz he always call her for recitations. And i think people with much higher educational background like my tokyo university graduate prof is more open to ideas regarding races than average goers. We all grow up, and our friends grow up with us. In that case, there will be a time that your all-grown-up friends will realize that our races don't really matter and that we'll just gotta have one learning a lot about each other's culture :)

[TOKYO64]

Well - I don't know where you were staying, but in Sendai, I was warmly accepted. Everyone was curious about my skin color, where I came from, why I was there... People thought it was cool that I was black.
The worst reaction I ever got while there was when I was dressed with a blonde wig and sweet lolita. A group of guys ran away from me and my friends. XD But that's understandable, I guess. No one ever cared that I was with Japanese friends.
You'll always get stares, though. Not always mean stares. Just blank looks of amazement.

Yeah Black people get treated well in a lot of places in Japan. But they just don't run into that many Afro American females. I lived in Osaka and I may have seen a few. While teaching I often wondered why there were no Black female teachers. I wanted to get their opinion on life in Japan. I spoke with a lot of friends in the service in Japan and most of them didn't like it. But I think that's changing now because they are getting out more. What I would like to see are more Black women venturing out on their own after college; like coming to Japan and experiencing what this culture has to offer. Growing up in Philadelphia I knew a lot of people that were not aware of anything outside their comfort zone. They need to know that they have no limits. And someone like you can help women that fall in that category by being a positive roll model as I try to be for both Black men and women .We need to start thinking global instead of just local.

[macadamia_cocoa]

Yeah Black people get treated well in a lot of places in Japan. But they just don't run into that many Afro American females. I lived in Osaka and I may have seen a few. While teaching I often wondered why there were no Black female teachers. I wanted to get their opinion on life in Japan. I spoke with a lot of friends in the service in Japan and most of them didn't like it. But I think that's changing now because they are getting out more. What I would like to see are more Black women venturing out on their own after college; like coming to Japan and experiencing what this culture has to offer. Growing up in Philadelphia I knew a lot of people that were not aware of anything outside their comfort zone. They need to know that they have no limits. And someone like you can help women that fall in that category by being a positive roll model as I try to be for both Black men and women .We need to start thinking global instead of just local.

Well, I think that there aren't many black women in Japan because of our general culture - especially here in the West Indies. I mean, for the most part, we're taught to be independent "strong black women." In Japan, society puts value on women taking care of the family and household. It's just something that conflicts between the two cultures, and something that's a problem for me too. Also, I've sort of noticed that the Japanese are probably intimidated of black women, so not many feel comfortable there.

But yeah, I wish people would experience the rest of the world more, but there's just that problem for black women, as far as I can see.

[TOKYO64]

Well, I think that there aren't many black women in Japan because of our general culture - especially here in the West Indies. I mean, for the most part, we're taught to be independent "strong black women." In Japan, society puts value on women taking care of the family and household. It's just something that conflicts between the two cultures, and something that's a problem for me too. Also, I've sort of noticed that the Japanese are probably intimidated of black women, so not many feel comfortable there.
But yeah, I wish people would experience the rest of the world more, but there's just that problem for black women, as far as I can see.

Yeah you're right Black women in the West are taught to be independent "strong black women." But what does that mean? Does it mean that Black women aren't strong enough to realize that? Do they need to be told they need to be strong? And how is that message affecting other cultures? Many Japanese are intimidated by Black women because they don't understand them. They see Black men walking around Japan with the women and they are used to that but not used to seeing Black women.

[tampopo]

Hello,
I got as far as message 46 or so and had to give up and skip to the end here. So much bickering and silliness...
Sometimes even travel and living abroad doesn't cure racist tendencies unfortunately...

[Putrefaction]

1) Sorry for bump.
2) She told me that she thinks it's because Japanese people think that cultures are supposed to stay together and not mix with one another.
It's definitely this, and it's definitely not just Japan or China. It's the same exact thing in India, but even though there is no caste anymore...just think of it as racism in America. Illegal, but you bet your *** it's going on. My parents think this way as well, and in a part...me as well...
Well, I know that when I see a white guy hitting on an Asian female I get offended and want to stop them, even if they're no one I know and the Asian isn't my blood.
3) Globalization is a very bad idea. The more “global” the world is the less diverse we are.
I greatly fear a worldwide supergovernment form which there is no escape. The world is naturally “diverse” and there is great diversity within homegenous groups of people. Differenct customs, dialects, ect.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that New York is pretty friggin' globalized. Herein is the awesome part: THEY SEGREGATE THEMSELVES. Yes, you have a "global market" and then you have China Town. Little Italy. Little India. Where concentrations of one race live and interact. You act as if they're going to immediately split up and go across the four directions.