Sort of sad that nobody talks of anything but Visual...

[antantrevolution]

I thik it's somewhat sad to see that all the posts that I see lately are all about Mana, Dir, Malice and anything Visual Kei related. What about B'z, AKFG, Mr. Children and other non-makeup bound bands?

It bothers me to some extent that all the new listeners of J-Music seem only to care about the one and not the other.

Hopefully it is a phase.

What do you all think?

Ant

[dorkist]

Hrm...I guess you have a point ^^; I guess the people here are more interested in Visual Kei currently 'cause it does have a whole lot of shocking and eye-catching aspects. I'm sure in time, they will disover the pillows, ASIAN KUNGFU GENERATION, Plastic Tree, and Shiina Ringo :-)

And we should just start a discussion of bands other than vk! It's not hard to start XD

[mizerable_d]

asian kung-fu generation is pretty good, very cute

[Winter]

Its not that people are interested in vk, they are just interested in DeG, Laruku, and Gackt at this site, probably because this area of the forum is horribly polluted with fangirls too lazy to search for other artists.

[mizerable_d]

whats wrong with fangirls?

[blade_bltz]

I'm not a VK fan either...Mr. Children has always been my favorite band.

[TwistedMac]

mono, the massmissile and possibly some electric eel shock for me, thank you very much.

[antantrevolution]

Now, I don't want people to take my thread the wrong way, but it gets a wee bit old when all I read are the following... (keep in mind, going from memory here.. we all know how dodgy that can be... ok, the following all meld into one and turn into what you see before you. You have to understand how sickening it has become.)

1. I want to have Gackt's love child.
2. VK is the best, everything else sucks.
3. Do you like Dir en Grey?
4. Mana this Mana that...
5. Malice blah blah balh...

Hopefully, you see my point. While I poke some fun at it, I hope you see where this section of the NG is headed if the pace picks up. As an example, someone asked what bands we all liked and 90% were VK fans. I mentioned B'z and all I heard of was how old they were, how boring they were and how much they sucked, even though not one person who said they sucked hadn't heard more than three songs from them.

It is sad that now Japanese music is on par with the rest of the world's music scene and everyone flocks to the dog and pony freak show.

Oh well.

Give me Rock anyday.

Peace.

Ant

[bitterpill]

I was just about to make this same thread. This just proves my point that most new listeners are shallow - they focus only on the look and not the music itself. You almost never hear people here discuss the songs - lyrics, musicianship, guitar solos, etc. It's all fangirls (and some sexually confused fanboys) drooling over who's the best looking transvestite. 5 or 6 threads each on the same subjects and bands. They should change the title of this forum from "J-Pop" to "Visual Gay."

[Horizon]

Well, in defence of some of us, me being a newcomer to JRock and all, it does take a while to fully get into a band sometimes and some people like to hear as much from one band as humanly possible before even attempting to listen to others, or moving on, or whatever (or at least I am) and I don't think that's a particularly bad thing, because, well, eventually, we'll find our way to some non-visual bands.

[antantrevolution]

I was just about to make this same thread. This just proves my point that most new listeners are shallow - they focus only on the look and not the music itself.

It is amazing that so many poeple can't get past the whole 'If they don't look interesting, I don't wanna know' attitude. When I was younger, I used looks as a determination as to what the band was going to be like. Sadly, they all turned into big hair bands, thus, making them all hard to tell apart. So, we had a mish-mash of 80's hair bands that all looked the same and without listening to them, you could never tell which ones were full of talent and which ones were full of poop.

You almost never hear people here discuss the songs - lyrics, musicianship, guitar solos, etc.

Exactly, I think it is astounding that people never discuss the music itself, just how KAWAII some bloke looks with white makeup and blood all over his mouth. My first experience with Japanese music came from 2 things. A singer named ANRI and the rock band B'z. I had nothing to go by aside from the cover and since I couldn't read any Japanese at the time, I could care less what the CD case looked like. I heard the music, the guitars of Tak Matsumoto and the vocals of Koshi Inaba. What that did for me was spark the desire and drive to immerse myself in Japanese culture. A desire that I still hold onto today. Sadly, that effect is sorely lost on these VK kids. They want to be spoonfed flashy images while only allowing the music to take a back seat to their glam rock fantasies. I call it glam rock, because that's what it is.

It's all fangirls (and some sexually confused fanboys) drooling over who's the best looking transvestite. 5 or 6 threads each on the same subjects and bands. They should change the title of this forum from "J-Pop" to "Visual Gay."

I'm sorry, I was with you up until this point. I don't feel the need to use a sexual preference to label something I don't like. By doing something like that, you are doing nothing more than slapping an entire portion of our population that are desperately struggling for their basic human rights in the face.

Well, that is all I gotta say about that.

Well, in defence of some of us, me being a newcomer to JRock and all, it does take a while to fully get into a band sometimes and some people like to hear as much from one band as humanly possible before even attempting to listen to others, or moving on, or whatever (or at least I am) and I don't think that's a particularly bad thing, because, well, eventually, we'll find our way to some non-visual bands.

Unfortunately, you fail to see that for a majority of the VK kids, VK is an obsession that seems to take them over. It is fine to enjoy a band, but the music section should be full of many ideals, not just what the VK scene is doing this minute, four minutes after the last time someone posted about 4 minutes before that.

I got into J-Pop/Rock through listening to two artists at first and branching quickly from that. Most people now, can't get past VK.

I don't hold anyone's taste against them, but I don't want to skip this section on the forum due to lack of other music being talked about, either.

Ant

[bitterpill]

I'm sorry, I was with you up until this point. I don't feel the need to use a sexual preference to label something I don't like. By doing something like that, you are doing nothing more than slapping an entire portion of our population that are desperately struggling for their basic human rights in the face.

I apologize for nothing. I call them as I see them. I have violated nobody's "human rights." Insulted a bunch of people perhaps, but nothing more. Cry me a freaking river. And I'll continue to slap them in the face with an iron fist. Like my sn states - I'm the bitter dose of medicine in this forum.

Now, all you fangirls, say "ah."

[antantrevolution]

I apologize for nothing. I call them as I see them. I have violated nobody's "human rights." Insulted a bunch of people perhaps, but nothing more. Cry me a freaking river. And I'll continue to slap them in the face with an iron fist. Like my sn states - I'm the bitter dose of medicine in this forum.

Now, all you fangirls, say "ah."

Well then, if ignorance is bliss.. perhaps you have reached Nirvana.

Feh.

Ant

[Horizon]

It is amazing that so many poeple can't get past the whole 'If they don't look interesting, I don't wanna know' attitude. When I was younger, I used looks as a determination as to what the band was going to be like. Sadly, they all turned into big hair bands, thus, making them all hard to tell apart. So, we had a mish-mash of 80's hair bands that all looked the same and without listening to them, you could never tell which ones were full of talent and which ones were full of poop.



Exactly, I think it is astounding that people never discuss the music itself, just how KAWAII some bloke looks with white makeup and blood all over his mouth. My first experience with Japanese music came from 2 things. A singer named ANRI and the rock band B'z. I had nothing to go by aside from the cover and since I couldn't read any Japanese at the time, I could care less what the CD case looked like. I heard the music, the guitars of Tak Matsumoto and the vocals of Koshi Inaba. What that did for me was spark the desire and drive to immerse myself in Japanese culture. A desire that I still hold onto today. Sadly, that effect is sorely lost on these VK kids. They want to be spoonfed flashy images while only allowing the music to take a back seat to their glam rock fantasies. I call it glam rock, because that's what it is.



I'm sorry, I was with you up until this point. I don't feel the need to use a sexual preference to label something I don't like. By doing something like that, you are doing nothing more than slapping an entire portion of our population that are desperately struggling for their basic human rights in the face.

Well, that is all I gotta say about that.



Unfortunately, you fail to see that for a majority of the VK kids, VK is an obsession that seems to take them over. It is fine to enjoy a band, but the music section should be full of many ideals, not just what the VK scene is doing this minute, four minutes after the last time someone posted about 4 minutes before that.

I got into J-Pop/Rock through listening to two artists at first and branching quickly from that. Most people now, can't get past VK.

I don't hold anyone's taste against them, but I don't want to skip this section on the forum due to lack of other music being talked about, either.

Ant

Ahhhh...I see. I get what you're saying. It is pretty annoying and whatnot that they don't move past VK and never stop talking about it, especially since I've heard Plastic Tree and Asian Kung-fu Generation's music and as far as I can tell, they're simply amazing. Even without all the visual crap.

Plus, I agree with you on that "Visual Gay" comment. People like that have it hard enough as it is, we really don't have to go and make it worse for them.

[Apollo]

1. I want to have Gackt's love child.
2. VK is the best, everything else sucks.
3. Do you like Dir en Grey?
4. Mana this Mana that...
5. Malice blah blah balh...



I totally agree, I think there are too many threads on same topics/performers e.g. Gackt, dir en grey etc...E.g. the Gackt-threads in this section lately...Which instead can be melted into one thread no?
HAHA.... :D

:D :D

I guess we all have to accept it, as there are many fans of those performers....

Heck, I remember when I was a teenager and was madly in love with a boy-band.....(NOT naming which, but it was a band which was very popular in europe---too embarrassing) :blush:
:balloon:

[mizerable_d]

Now, I don't want people to take my thread the wrong way, but it gets a wee bit old when all I read are the following... (keep in mind, going from memory here.. we all know how dodgy that can be... ok, the following all meld into one and turn into what you see before you. You have to understand how sickening it has become.)

1. I want to have Gackt's love child.
2. VK is the best, everything else sucks.
3. Do you like Dir en Grey?
4. Mana this Mana that...
5. Malice blah blah balh...

Hopefully, you see my point. While I poke some fun at it, I hope you see where this section of the NG is headed if the pace picks up. As an example, someone asked what bands we all liked and 90% were VK fans. I mentioned B'z and all I heard of was how old they were, how boring they were and how much they sucked, even though not one person who said they sucked hadn't heard more than three songs from them.

It is sad that now Japanese music is on par with the rest of the world's music scene and everyone flocks to the dog and pony freak show.

Oh well.

Give me Rock anyday.

Peace.

Ant
who said they want to have gackt's kid??? :? he's very desirble but thats kinda sad(no offence)...well fangirls are fangirl, cant do nothin about it. also i havent seen any mana threads in a long time...(y? mana is great...)

[PrincessBerriKiller]

Hrm...I guess you have a point ^^; I guess the people here are more interested in Visual Kei currently 'cause it does have a whole lot of shocking and eye-catching aspects. I'm sure in time, they will disover the pillows, ASIAN KUNGFU GENERATION, Plastic Tree, and Shiina Ringo :-)

And we should just start a discussion of bands other than vk! It's not hard to start XD

All very good musicians!! I have trouble though bucause even after all my years in jrock I know very little about many of the bands I listen to... :( It upsets me to think of it like that...

I mean I have listened to artists from Blondie Plastic Wagon to Zone and I know very little other then what songs I like by them! It would be nice to see forums about groups like this so maybe I can learn more! So If you wanna see more start more! :cool:

I kno, I kno Winter! We are fan girl's deal with it! It becomes hard at times to avoid the forums talking about your favourite bands! then you start your own and that is how the all turn loose!

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Ehhh. Make a B'z thread and I'll talk about them. I don't really have anything to say until they release something new ^________^

I loooooooooooove B'z. I looooooove B'z more than I loooooooove Dir en grey, even though I looooooooove Dir en grey. I loooooooove B'z more than I looooooooove PLC, even though I really do looooooooove PLC quite a lot. B'z are great. B'z are... funtastic. Anyway, yeah. Not much to say, eh? We're stuck with a bunch of VK fangirls, so that's what you're going to see here.

On another note, Mr. Children cracks me up for no reason whatsoever. Or maybe it was the Kurumi PV. The music is nice, but I just can't help but laugh whenever I hear them now ._.

[bitterpill]

Well then, if ignorance is bliss.. perhaps you have reached Nirvana.

Feh.

Ant

Ah, get off your high horse, you arrogant excrement. Maybe you're a cross dressing fudge packer yourself.

[antantrevolution]

Ah, get off your high horse, you arrogant excrement. Maybe you're a cross dressing fudge packer yourself.

No, quite the opposite. I just don't care to hear the minute senseless ramblings of the feeble minded such as yourself.

Maybe there's some sort of Klan meeting you can attend instead of wasting our time here. Or do you have to go to Borders to pick up that copy of Mein Kamph you ordered?

Piss off.

Ant

P.S.

Just so you know, you ignorant pr!ck, a cross dresser isn't always homosexual. You see, there's Drag Queens, whom are gay and then there's transvestites, whom are straight, love women and enjoy dressing up in women's clothing. I am neither, but I at least know the difference. But hey, at least you spelled arrogant correctly.. yay you.

[Horizon]

No, quite the opposite. I just don't care to hear the minute senseless ramblings of the feeble minded such as yourself.

Maybe there's some sort of Klan meeting you can attend instead of wasting our time here. Or do you have to go to Borders to pick up that copy of Mein Kamph you ordered?

Piss off.

Ant

P.S.

Just so you know, you ignorant pr!ck, a cross dresser isn't always homosexual. You see, there's Drag Queens, whom are gay and then there's transvestites, whom are straight, love women and enjoy dressing up in women's clothing. I am neither, but I at least know the difference. But hey, at least you spelled arrogant correctly.. yay you.

A transvestite, regardless of what gender they were and which they are currently, can like either women, men, or both. Just so you know...I think...

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Perhaps you're thinking of transsexual.

[Winter]

Transvestites crossdress. Transsexuals are more along the lines of transgender, the difference is a transsexual becomes a transgender after the operation.

[MHtrStevie]

I'm really amused at how this thread about non-VK J-music quickly became a thread about people's sexual preferences and the difference between transvestite/transgendered...

Speaking personally, I'm into all sorts of J-music... but the volume of these VK-related threads really hasn't bothered me. Usually I can tell which threads are worth checking into up front. It's not like the threads have been titled "Japanese music", and then when I enter the thread I see nothing but stuff about how hot Kyo or Hyde is... so I've been able to avoid these threads for the most part.

But yeah, less people post here about other non-VK artists... I just don't post as much as I used to, and I almost always post about non-visual topics. So I guess those of us who are here should be dropping more knowledge when we can, and not spending too much time telling people:

"HEY! Stop posting about stuff you're interested in! I'm not interested in THAT!"

Let's just get more threads like this one going, talking about music we like...

:cool:

[mizerable_d]

im learning more stuff...lol and my mom says that the internet is crap. haha silly her cuz im learning! ^^

[Horizon]

Perhaps you're thinking of transsexual.

Oh...Probably :bluush: Baaaad memory :bluush:

Transvestites crossdress. Transsexuals are more along the lines of transgender, the difference is a transsexual becomes a transgender after the operation.

Yeah...My bad :bluush:

[budd]

i got tired of selecting stuff for quote marks in this thread, because i agreed with most of this so much
but i like this the best (right now)
"probably because this area of the forum is horribly polluted with fangirls too lazy to search for other artists"

i already gave up months ago
good luck to those who stick around
point of fact: saturday night i took two japanese people to a rave. while there, asking them what kind of music they liked -- mr. children
i don't even know this cat/group. time to start digging
thought it was all about guitar wolf or polysics. unh

[mizerable_d]

well, at least fangirls are nice people
but hey, im always picking up songs of artists new to me who i think are interesting and that others recommend.
and wats worng with being loyal to one artist? i dont have to research new artists if i dont want to.

there are a few artists i really love so i talk about them. so eat it.

[Winter]

well, at least fangirls are nice people
but hey, im always picking up songs of artists new to me who i think are interesting and that others recommend.
and wats worng with being loyal to one artist? i dont have to research new artists if i dont want to.

there are a few artists i really love so i talk about them. so eat it.

Such, is the remark of a 'nice fangirl'.

Anyway, the issue with people limiting their field of vision when it comes to music, is there are many people who will for example, proclaim their undying devotion and love to a field of music like Visual kei, and j-music in general, while condemning other fields.

This in and of itself isnt the big problem. The big deal is when those said devotees preach their love, and the only bands they listen to are 2 or 3 in the entire field.

[mizerable_d]

yes i like j-rock, and also other kinds of music. if it's good, i listen to it. thats really "limiting my field of vison when it comes to music". since this is a j-pop board, i talk about the things i like about j-music. and yes i am willing to listen to other j-bands and im starting to widen my collection of j-music.

um well fangirls which i have met are really nice, unlike some other nagging a**hole *cough*winter*cough*

[Winter]

Well d, either you didnt read my post, or didnt understand it.

[mizerable_d]

the way you said things were confusing

[Winter]

the way you said things were confusing

Hey, there's nothing wrong with not understanding something someone says. But before you type up your misguided remarks based off of half-understood comments, just ask for a little clarification; maybe an explaination I can give you will allow you understand that I'm not always trying to insult you in particular, so you wont have to feel that you always have to jump on the defensive by splurging out the best insults you can muster up.

[mizerable_d]

not trying to insult me in particular...meaning that it's a group of people but i am included? wats the difference?

[Winter]

Its just a turn of phrase, yeesh, calm down for a minute okay?

My point is I was not trying to put you down. Got it?

[mizerable_d]

sure, and i am calm

*sips tea*

lalala.......

oh ya, dude who started this thread: you can always start non-viusal kei threads you know...

[PrincessBerriKiller]

hehe yeh, i want that to happen *nods* I wanna find out more...

[TwistedMac]

I wanna be a famous "crazy" visual j-rocker though... no matter how ugly they are, they've got about a million girls that'll put out for them and think they just hit the best piece of flesh in the world if they get to.

Ugly famous people look fantastic

[antantrevolution]

oh ya, dude who started this thread: you can always start non-viusal kei threads you know...

Honestly, there'd be no point as the one or two threads I would start up would only be swallowed up by the 1,000 + VK threads that would start up tomorrow.

First off, my whole point was to state my disdain for what the J-Pop forum has become, not post 1,000 + posts to counteract the 1.000 + VK posts. By stating my opinion, I was hoping that others would share that feeling and maybe do their own interests in their own posts. Instead, I still get VK fans falling on their swords in support of VK, some jackoff insulting gays and calling me a 'crossdressing fudgepacker', 4 people pissing off Winter, Twisted's desires to become the harem leader of some fangirl cult and someone telling me that I can start a non-VK post. (Which, I could have figured that out on my own, but thanks.......)

Well, I can say this...

I give up.

Ant

[mizerable_d]

maybe is just that vk is THAT good that we defend it so much...

btw the anti-gay comment was not cool dude

[bitterpill]

Hahahaha! Dance My Puppets! Dance!!! Hahahahahaha!

[Meiji Lythtis]

The point have been said several times. There are so many people here who like VK, and that's why this forum talks of it most of the time. I like J-rock, but I don't like VK so much and only stay with L'Arc~en~Ciel, Dir en Grey and Lareine mostly.

I've created some threads refering to other groups/singers, but there's no so much interest. It doesn't matter of course, because for what I like I go to other forums and other sites that talk mostly of what I like the most. I guess that's why I haven't posted so much, but visit often.


::: Maki Itadakimasu :::
:ramen:

[antantrevolution]

maybe is just that vk is THAT good that we defend it so much...

btw the anti-gay comment was not cool dude

No, it really isn't that good to defend it so vehemently. In fact, I feel that VK will collapse upon itself soon.

Oh yeah, you do realise I wasn't the one who made the gay comment, right? Read my post on the first page.

Hahahaha! Dance My Puppets! Dance!!! Hahahahahaha!

You know, you don't need to have a capital at the beginning of each word in a terribly fragmented sentence, right?

Ant

[mizerable_d]

ya i was refferring to the guy who made the comment, sorry if there was a confusion.

[bitterpill]

You know, you don't need to have a capital at the beginning of each word in a terribly fragmented sentence, right?

Ant

That all you got? Face it, I made you dance. ******! :D :D :D

[antantrevolution]

That all you got? Face it, I made you dance. ******! :D :D :D

No, I wasn't dancing and you are still a fool.

Ant

[MexicanBatman]

i kno wut u mean about the visual kei, but i noticed alot of ppl turnin their backs on dir en grey, because theyre not exactly as visual kei as they used to be. personally i dont care, im more interested in the music than how they look. diru is still an amazing band as they used to be, and alot of non-visual kei bands are really good too. ppl are just...weird....

-Batman

[mizerable_d]

sorry, but are saying u like visual kei or no? im confuzzled.

anyways ya dir en grey is great no matter wat they wear. but i have to say it's always interesting to see wat the hell kyo has on his face.

[Vinylhoer]

What a nice popcorn topic this has turned into :cheer:

To stay ontopic: I agree with the topicstarter about the statement in his first post. The more VK related topics are opened, the less people who are interested in other sorts of J-music will post and the less interesting this forum will get. Looks like a downward spiral to me, but if that's the way it is, that's the way it is. But I do think it's a shame.

[miu]

I'm not much into VK either... I actually like their clothes but I hate the way they sing @_@ The J-rock vibrato, I can't stand it.


Shiina Ringo is cool, though :cool: I don't know many J-rock bands, the other one I like is The Brilliant Green. Their music is great when you're feeling too hyper for your own good :blush:

If anyone knows any good bands, please share!

[budd]

guitar wolf

[advigilo]

i agree on the fact that some people are narrow minded, but that is mostly there problem.

and apparently(did i spell that correctly?) there are a lot of people here that like vk and who are narrow minded, or at least a lot of those people who visit this forum.
well that kind of explains why there are a lot of the same topics right?

just for the record, i like all kinds of bands :-)

now please get this topic more happy :-) :-)

[Rukasu]

So according to you there are no good VK Groups.
There are VK with good vocals.
Just because you like B'z, doesn't mean other people can't start threads about VK.
If you want to talk about them so badly, you should start a thread by yourself.

I think once you start one, you will see that there are a lot more people that are fans of the bands you like.

[Japanimaniac]

If people are so worried about VK taking over the forum, start a thread. Even a simple "Who likes the B'z!?" will start up conversation. I'd be one of the first to post there. My favorite j-rock band happens to be Dir en grey, so lots of threads I start happen to have them as the subject. That doesn't mean it's my fault that VK has taken over the forum, or anyone else's who likes VK. People can't help what they like. If anyone's, it's the faults of the people complaining.

Oh, and there's plenty of non-VK threads if you look a little further back in the forum. Post on those, and bring them back to the front page.

[antantrevolution]

So according to you there are no good VK Groups.
There are VK with good vocals.
Just because you like B'z, doesn't mean other people can't start threads about VK.
If you want to talk about them so badly, you should start a thread by yourself.

I think once you start one, you will see that there are a lot more people that are fans of the bands you like.

Wow, thank you SO much for that little bit of advice. Had it not been for you saying that, I would have sat there in silence never knowing that I could start my, dare I say it, own thread?

Obviously, had you bothered to read the post I initially started, you may have had some insight as to why I started it. When the ENTIRE J-Pop discussion page consists of VK and VK related items, it becomes a little annoying and cries for a change of pace. I could start 10 threads on ten different bands only to be drowned out by the cacophony of True secret facts of Dir en Grey or whatever happens to be the VK flavour of the moment.".

So please, do me a favour, without anything objective to add, don't add anything.

Thank you.

If people are so worried about VK taking over the forum, start a thread. Even a simple "Who likes the B'z!?" will start up conversation. I'd be one of the first to post there. My favorite j-rock band happens to be Dir en grey, so lots of threads I start happen to have them as the subject. That doesn't mean it's my fault that VK has taken over the forum, or anyone else's who likes VK. People can't help what they like. If anyone's, it's the faults of the people complaining.

Oh, and there's plenty of non-VK threads if you look a little further back in the forum. Post on those, and bring them back to the front page.

I'm glad at least you would post. But, you have to understand that it isn't a matter of VK taking over the forum.. It's a matter of it already has taken over the forum.

Sadly, I don't have a problem with people enjoying what they want to, it's just that non-VK fans shouldn't have to go 60 pages back to bring a thread back to the front.

My suggestion to the moderators, make forum areas according to the types of music. That way rock fans can post their thing there, VK fans can have at it there and then if there is space, a general common area for general discussion. Maybe for new visitors or people not sure about what they will like.

Call me crazy, but it may just work.

Ant

[Japanimaniac]

My suggestion to the moderators, make forum areas according to the types of music. That way rock fans can post their thing there, VK fans can have at it there and then if there is space, a general common area for general discussion. Maybe for new visitors or people not sure about what they will like.

That's an awesome idea. I've been a little confused as to why this hasn't happened already, considering that there's hardly any j-pop in the j-pop forum anyway (mostly VK and j-rock). And my slightly annoyed post was directed towards advigilo for the narrow-minded post. Like I said, you can't help what you like, and though Diru is my favorite band, I love The Pillows, B'z, and Bonnie Pink, too. And...well, I dunno if you'd consider The Yellow Monkey as VK or not (they dress rather offbeat), but I like them, too.

The basic point to this post, though, is that I totally agree with the separate forum thing. ^.^

[antantrevolution]

That's an awesome idea. I've been a little confused as to why this hasn't happened already, considering that there's hardly any j-pop in the j-pop forum anyway (mostly VK and j-rock). And my slightly annoyed post was directed towards advigilo for the narrow-minded post. Like I said, you can't help what you like, and though Diru is my favorite band, I love The Pillows, B'z, and Bonnie Pink, too. And...well, I dunno if you'd consider The Yellow Monkey as VK or not (they dress rather offbeat), but I like them, too.

The basic point to this post, though, is that I totally agree with the separate forum thing. ^.^

Don't stress over that, cuz. I know that you were referring to someone else, as I was when I wrote my sarcastic post which hopefully got the point across.

I think for an instance like this, we could use a bit of additional space to fit everyone's tastes.

We agree to agree then!

Ant

[apunno]

A VK board? Inspired. I am often daunted by the same threads being repeated continually after they've been buried in the back pages of this board. Most are just repeats or edited titles consisting of the same subjects; the prettiest? sexist? Hyde vs Gackt? worthy questions when not overdone, then it becomes spam.

[advigilo]

i like all kinds of j-rock, not just vk.
my post wasent meant to be mean or something, sorry if you were afended(?)
i just think that some people don't look at the person anymore, if the jrockers are beautyfull than in a blink of an eye they have a lot of fans. there is nothing wrong with that, an nothing wrong with vk( i think most costumes are amazing).

but that was what i meant with narrow minded, perhaps i used the wrong word to explain it.

hopefully you can understand it now.

[apunno]

I was not offended by anything you wrote. I think a Vk board is a good idea.

[Japanimaniac]

I gotcha advigilo. I wasn't offended, just defenseive. ^.^ I had taken it as "people who like VK are narrow-minded and only like VK". But I agree with what you're saying, now that I understand. I like bands for their music first, and looks are a bonus, but there are lots who just go for a VK band's appearence. :cool:

[mizerable_d]

if the vk bands i like had crappy music i dont think i would like them. i like many bands and most are not vk

[PrincessBerriKiller]

I listen to alot of bands... I don't really care what they look like and no longer stress over whether the artist is VK or just rock or even pop. I like what I like. I t just so happens that alot of my favourite bands tend to be more visual. Over all I love them for the sound. And of course being teh person I am I cannot help but love their appearance as I love wild and outlandish clothing and fashion.

[mizerable_d]

yes the make up and clothes are amazing, which i dont see here in north america so it is a bonus

[PrincessBerriKiller]

True to that! lol i am so facinated by it all it just draws you in...

[apunno]

And another thread falls to the discussion of clothes and VK.

[antantrevolution]

And another thread falls to the discussion of clothes and VK.

So in a way, I seem to have proved my point.

Don't you think?

Ant

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Yes.

There seems to be an ongoing discussion of Kyo, Gackt, Hyde and clothing by three or four different people, spanning about 5 different threads.

[mizerable_d]

wats wrong with that?

[apunno]

wats wrong with that?

The problem, it is spamming a thread that doesn't have anything to do with these subjects. I respect your right to discuss these topics in their own thread without being spammed. It only proves the point that other discussion is not respected or given a voice.

So in a way, I seem to have proved my point.

Don't you think?

Ant

Obviously.

[Japanimaniac]

I'll come out and say I'm guilty of posting a lot of nonsense in a few threads, but that doesn't mean we don't respect the threads. And in most cases (at least, the ones I've had fun in), the threads were made by the people posting in them. I've made it a point to keep my antics out of strangers' threads, for the most part.

[mizerable_d]

:sorry: sorry if im posting too much off topic things :sorry: lol random things just comes to mind and it got a little out of control. i will try and keep the vk stuff in the vk threads. i think for the most part i have posted vk things in vk threads except this one but yes i will try.

[apunno]

That's why I come here to read the posts. Jref is unique in how nice the ppl are.

[Japanimaniac]

Ditto. I said it in another thread...not sure which it was...but JRef's forum is a lot more mature than any forum I've ever been to. That's why it's one of the few I've actually joined and participated in. :cool:

[Kama]

I haven't been to this forum for months. I remember talking in some non-VK topics. I like Visual too. I listen mainly to J-Rock. I love B'z and X-Japan. B'z are the sexiest Japanese man I saw. :) Not even Mana (whom I like very much too) can compare with them. :D It may be said that I am limiting myself. I have some favourites bands (call me a fangirl, cause I listen to everything Tak/Koshi or Mana/Kozi produce) and I am not really interested in other bands. From time to time, I search for new artists, while still being devorted fan to my previous ones. I discovered Kiyoharu (as person) in that way. He has a really good voice, it doesn't bother me that Kuroyume was VK.

Apparently, I like many VK bands. I never bother about look. I like them because they play a fine music, that suits my tastes.

VK thread have the samne rights, maybe it's bothersome to see similar thread for the X time, but it's just a job for moderator. I know it's about harder work for him, but that would be good. Or maybe get some topics to archive, huh? (start from the VK first ;))

[antantrevolution]

Kama, I just hope you understand that when I began this thread, I didn't feel VK fans don't or shouldn't have the same rights as everyone on the forum to express their likes. I just was somewhat irritated that to see anything non-VK from time to time, a 15 webpage journey has to be conducted in which I would have to see what Gackt was wearing, when he poops, if he eats cereal, 5,000 (Mature) quizzes about Gackt/Diru/whatever just to get to something I can enjoy. So I started this thread to see if we could maybe branch off to some newer threads for folks that don't have the same passion for VK as many of us do. I did notice some cool threads later on for all types of music, but I also got some rather sour responses and a PM from someone whom feels I am the antichrist and now wishes a war of words with me. I address this in another post...

So, I say enjoy what you want to, it's your right as a human, but also remember that there are so many different types of people here and sometimes people like variety. I hear it is the spice of life :)

Japanamaniac and others who thisnk that they make nonsense posts, I don't feel that that has happened. Have fun when posting, just be nice when you may not agree with something. Japanamaniac and Miz have demonstrated that ability time and again as have others. Lets all get along :P

Ant

[Kama]

I do understand that. Well, there are stupoid and not stupid topics. Apparently more stupid are on the VK side... XD You can't do anything with the fact, that there are more VK fans here, and that's why there are more VK threads.

Ok, interesting discussion about all types of music.

I forgot to mention that I love Okinawa music. I mean traditional/folk in this kind not generally musicians from Okinawa. I generally like traditionat/regional Japanese music. Am I alone? :D

[antantrevolution]

I do understand that. Well, there are stupoid and not stupid topics. Apparently more stupid are on the VK side... XD You can't do anything with the fact, that there are more VK fans here, and that's why there are more VK threads.

Ok, interesting discussion about all types of music.

I forgot to mention that I love Okinawa music. I mean traditional/folk in this kind not generally musicians from Okinawa. I generally like traditionat/regional Japanese music. Am I alone? :D

Nope, I enjoy Noh immensly. Always have, love all types of traditional music from Japan. Good stuff to sleep to sometimes.

Ant

[Kama]

That's good. :cool: Noh music is great. And it's very calming. If you have insomnia... I can't wait to see how many people here do listen to this kind (traditional) of music. :D

[advigilo]

never heard of it too be very honest :relief:
but i'll look a few things up about it :-)

[Kama]

I greatly recomend Nenes, a band of Okinawan female musicians. Ah, they were so good, it's a shame that they no longer play. :( They had been singing traditional Okinawan songs and their own.

[mizerable_d]

yay! peace is good...

[advigilo]

:-) i agree with that

[Kama]

Mizerable, is it me or you just can't post anything related to topic? XD

Anybody heard of Miyazawa? Miyazawa-Sick Band. :) They are known in Poland for the "Shimauta" song. I wonder if they are known somewhere else.

[PrincessBerriKiller]

Can't say I have. Are they any good? I have heard of Nenes though...I just haven't heard any thing by them I was advised by others to listen to them though...*goes off to see about finding some*

[MHtrStevie]

For those in the Western world looking for Nenes and other Okinawan music, I highly recommend finding a CD called "The Rough Guide ot the Music of Okinawa"... it's probably floating around your local Borders in the International section, and it has a great selection of Okinawan music from very traditional to modern fusion acts like The Boom and Ryukyu Underground.

Good luck!

:cool:

[necrozombie]

well, i have to admit to being a deg fangirl. ;_;

but i still adore plastic tree. <3 does that help at all?

:x

[Kama]

Ryukyu Underground isn't Okinawan band. They are American, if I remeber correctly.

I advise Nenes "Okinawa Memorial" - CD from their lives through Okinawa. I can listen non-stop to this CD.

Forgot to tell that Miyazawa is The Boom's vocalist.

http://s87940381.onlinehome.us/okinawatracks/ - Here you can listen to some traditional Okinawan songs. :)

[MHtrStevie]

Ryukyu Underground isn't Okinawan band. They are American, if I remeber correctly.

One American and one British gentleman... but their work involves remixing of traditional Okinawan folk music, so it counts in a way. Neat stuff anyway... the Rough Guide just serves as a good intro which is quite easy to find for Western listeners. From there you can find which groups you really like and start exploring in depth...

[Azerii]

I'll have to say that my favorite band is Dir en grey, but not only for the visual aspect. Dir en grey is becoming less and less VK, and they are losing many fans because of it, which I think is a ridiculous notion. A band is just that-- a band. They should be appreciated for their music above all else.
I was a geeky visual kei-fangirl when I was first introduced to jrock, but since then, I've found many non-VK band that I enjoy too. I'm a big fan of Mr. Children and Tomoyasu Hotei, and I'm in love with quite a few B'z songs.

As for the idea of wanting to have [insert popular jrocker's name here]'s love child... you're all idiots. You'll never meet him, and if you do, he won't remember you. You'll never get to know him, you'll never sleep with him, and you'll certainly never have his children, so GET OVER IT.

...sorry if I dashed your hopes and dreams. :p

[mizerable_d]

Mizerable, is it me or you just can't post anything related to topic? XD
:relief: sorry! :sorry:

yes i like the vk look, but it's really the music. there are vk bands which i dont really like for their music. non-vk bands are great also. :cool:

[Kama]

:relief: sorry! :sorry:

yes i like the vk look, but it's really the music. there are vk bands which i dont really like for their music. non-vk bands are great also. :cool:

Ok, ok. We believe you. :P (the doctor has said to agree to what you say ;))

Can you say what non-VK bands do you like? I'm interested. :D

I like VK too, but it doesn't matter to me what the text is like. I suppose there is no real meaning behind the text sometimes. At least listening to non-VK I know thay want to play music (I'm not talking about teen-bands) not look good and play music. :D Sorry, I have a trauma from Blood's concert.

Azerii, when you listen to more songs, you will definetley love B'z. They are great... XD And so sexy... I want to be Inaba's wife, or maybe Tak's doesn't matter to me. XD [Just joking. :P]

[Tetchan69]

Visual Kei isn't that great...I don't know why everyone loves it so much. It's just a bunch of guys with long rainbow hair and flashy costumes..we saw all that in the 80s! It's nothing new but all the Jrock fans I come across only seem to love Visual bands....or the really mainstream bands (Dir, Laruku, Gackt, etc) there's nothing wrong with those bands (I'm a huge L"Arc fan) but i think if you really love Jrock (like they claim to) they should check out other bands less loved in America (Janne Da Arc, Kimeru, mucc, Duel Jewel, Plastic Tree, ...S.O.A.P.? XD;; ) I don't hate visual but i really can't stand the fangirls that aren't more diverse. And that's all I have to say. -_-

[Illaparatzo-sama]

I'd say that Duel Jewel, Plastic Tree and JDA are pretty damn well loved in the US. DJ especially, even when they certainly do not deserve it. I can't make a case against your dislike of the narrow-view fangirls, cause I have the same peeve. It's kind of silly to proclaim that you "love" a certain genre of music. If a band in a certain genre does it for you, then okay, love the band. But it's stupid to claim you love all of the genre when it's rather impossible to if you have any taste in music at all. Especially with Duel Jewel and Gazette around. *shudder*

Lydia
(OH YES AND I'VE JUST DISCOVERED MY LOVE OF HEAVY METAL THROUGH SMG.)

(Seriously.)

[mizerable_d]

Ok, ok. We believe you. :P (the doctor has said to agree to what you say ;))

Can you say what non-VK bands do you like? I'm interested. :D

I like VK too, but it doesn't matter to me what the text is like. I suppose there is no real meaning behind the text sometimes. At least listening to non-VK I know thay want to play music (I'm not talking about teen-bands) not look good and play music. :D Sorry, I have a trauma from Blood's concert.

Azerii, when you listen to more songs, you will definetley love B'z. They are great... XD And so sexy... I want to be Inaba's wife, or maybe Tak's doesn't matter to me. XD [Just joking. :P]
of course i like non-vk bands! ^____^ hmm i like asian kung-fu generation and i like orange range, and the other bands are all non-japanese like white stripes, smashing pumpkins, tatu, nirvana, and evanessance...

[Kama]

Tetechan, come on. When I say I love rock there is nothing wrong with this, even if I don't like ALL the rock. I just prefer to listen to rock, and it should be understood in that way.

Laruku and Janne are very nice. :) But they have too much outstanding songs. :D like Eden, Black Jack, Dolls, Romance.

[Tetchan69]

I'd say that Duel Jewel, Plastic Tree and JDA are pretty damn well loved in the US. DJ especially, even when they certainly do not deserve it. I can't make a case against your dislike of the narrow-view fangirls, cause I have the same peeve. It's kind of silly to proclaim that you "love" a certain genre of music. If a band in a certain genre does it for you, then okay, love the band. But it's stupid to claim you love all of the genre when it's rather impossible to if you have any taste in music at all. Especially with Duel Jewel and Gazette around. *shudder*

Really? Wow. I must be living in the wrong part of the US then :relief: People over here only know of Diru and Gackt. It's kinda misleading too when i can't find much of anyone online from America who seems to support them. But i'm glad they got love (last thing i heard DJ was REALLY indies, where have i been? >> ) Your right about the "love of only one genre" kinda thing. It's kinda sad as well. I don't see how anyone can love 1 kinda of music and EVERY band that falls under that catagory--sounds a little hard to believe. I <3 most kinds of music b/c it's all good :cool: Music is my life! :p

I said "that's all i have to say" but looks like i lied -_-;;

[Tetchan69]

Tetechan, come on. When I say I love rock there is nothing wrong with this, even if I don't like ALL the rock. I just prefer to listen to rock, and it should be understood in that way.

Laruku and Janne are very nice. :) But they have too much outstanding songs. :D like Eden, Black Jack, Dolls, Romance.

hahaha ^_^; Ok, ok! I'm sorry! :sorry: I understand ! ^^; I tend to say I love rock instead of naming every band i love since no one has heard of half of them.

geez, am i bipolar or what? *hits self* -_- I need sleep


Sorry if I offended you. u_u

[Kama]

No, it's okay, Tete. You haven't offended me.

So, tell us what bands do you like, maybe we know something about them? :D

[a_cuteboy86]

I gotta admit my first exposure to Jmusic was Malice Mzer and then Dir en Grey like a day later but then didn't listen to anyone else for awhile mostly because I didn't know anyone else.
Now I have a ton of Jrock vk but not much non vk but honestly don't usually know because I rarely look up info on the bands and just listen to the music. Can anyone direct me to an online place with good non vk music, I'd really like to expand my music library.

And your still transexual after surgery, transgender is just a watered down term and can apply to non-transexuals as well. I should know I am one, the lesser known ftm though :okashii:

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Keikaku (http://www.keikaku.net/) is very good for indies rock bands. Project J (http://www.projectj.net/index.html) isn't updated much these days, but the existing profiles for their non-VK bands are thorough and there are song samples with them.

Can't think of any more off the top of my head right now.

Lydia

[a_cuteboy86]

Thanks for the link, don't think i've ever seen so many non vk bands in one place! Now if only I can find some downloads.....

[Japanimaniac]

Yeah, Project-J is awesome, even if it hasn't been updated since the middle of last year. It's where I found out about most of the bands I like.