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Pachipro
Apr 15, 2005, 01:54
For a great party town like Tokyo and Yokohama, it still amazes me that, in 2005, this great cosmopolitan megalopolis (and all of Japan for that matter) stops running their public transportation at about 1am. Therefore, if one wants to party with friends where a more than 15 or 30 minute train ride is involved, one must be prepared to stop at around eleven or eleven-thirty and head for home or else risk spending their time in an all night coffee shop or buying a hotel room until the first trains start again at about 4:50am. Hell, most partying has just started by the time you have to leave! Whatfs even worse is that, if your timing is off, your last stop may be out in the country somewhere where nothing is open and cabs are a rarity. Then youfll have to spend your time sleeping on a bench at the train station or something if itfs too far to walk, or too expensive to catch a cab. This can be pretty bad if itfs winter time.

If you live in Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka, or some other major city, and party there, you can probably catch a cab to your home for a couple of thousand yen. Unfortunately, if you live in the suburbs, your partying may take place about an hour or so by train from your home and you may have to take two or three different trains to get to your destination. In that case, you have to be careful and know the schedules well enough to know what time you have to leave your friends in order to get back home. This takes practice and precise planning.

Anyway, I had been out partying a little too long one night with some of my students west of Yokohama back in the day, and did miss my last train home. I had to catch three different trains and figured I had just barely enough time to catch all three. As I was having such a good time, I tried to time the last train and missed.

I arrived at Yokohama station via the Kehin-Kyukko line, stumbled up the steps and made my through the labyrinth of the massive station to catch the Sotetsu line to Ebina station where Ifd then catch the Odakyu Line home. To my dismay, the overhead schedule informed me that the only train available was for Sagami Otsuka station and not Ebina as the last train to Ebina station had just left 10 minutes previously. gOh well,h I thought to myself, gIfll just have to take a cab home from Sagami Otsuka.h It wasnft that far and would only cost a couple of thousand yen at most. No problem.

Most people who have had any experience riding the trains in Japan know the last train out of a station is filled with drunken businessmen and party people making their way home. If youfre lucky, or unlucky for that matter, you just may see someone spill their ramen out all over the floor in your car. Or you may have someone sitting next you fall asleep on your shoulder. Lord knows Ifve experienced both.

I bought my ticket, managed to get a seat, and settled myself in for the 40 minute ride to the end of line. As this was the last train, it was a local and would stop at about 12 or 13 stations. I crossed my feet at the ankles, tucked them back under the seat, folded my arms across my chest, lowered my head till my chin was almost touching my chest, closed my eyes, and assumed the position of a typical commuter. Believe it or not, one can really catch up on onefs sleep on the trains. I didnft worry if I fell asleep as the conductor would wake me up as he would most of the other stragglers.

I did fall asleep and woke up just as the train was pulling into the last station. By the time the train arrived at its last stop it was a little past 1am. I, and about 20 or so other drunk passengers made our way up the stairs, through the ticket taker, and down the stairs to our destinations. Me, I headed for the cab stand.

There were about 4 other people standing there and I was the last in line. The cabs came at irregular intervals and ferried their passengers to their destinations. Soon I was the only one waiting. I waited for about 10 minutes and finally a cab came. The driver slowed, took one look at me and sped up again not even stopping. gWhat the fu.....h I thought to myself. I figured he was just another cab driver afraid to pick up gaijin late at night.

Then it dawned on me that Sagami Otsuka was the area where US Navy personnel from Atsugi Naval Air Station partied. It was similar to the strip near Yokosuka base, but not as big or busy. Quite small as a matter of fact compared to the size of the base. gIfll probably never get a cab now,h I said to myself. Anyway, I waited patiently.

Thatfs the problem being a foreigner and living out in the suburbs near a military base (and maybe all of Japan for that matter). Most Japanese, store owners, cab drivers etc. are leery of you and rightly so. A few American servicemen have been known to cause trouble; not want to pay their bills; want to pay in US $; shoplift; and basically make it rough on the 99.9% of others who donft cause trouble. Today, it is a problem with foreigners other than US servicemen also. But it only takes one or two, or a bad story in the newspaper to screw it up for the rest. I was feeling that effect now. If I were in Tokyo or Yokohama maybe I wouldnft have much of a problem catching a cab as they were cosmopolitan towns and the cabbies were used to picking up foreigners. However, it's just another form of discrimination a foreigner faces in Japan no matter how you try to justify it.

The suburb I lived in was odd in that there were 3 different US military facilities located within about a 5 or 6 mile radius. There was the US Army base at Camp Zama, along with their hospital and the 406th Medical Lab, Pacific, at Sagami Ono station, the Atsugi Naval Air Base, and the small Naval Intelligence base at Kamiseya where they used to (still?) eavesdrop on the Soviet Union, North Korea and China. Even with three bases, I donft think the total personnel added up to a third of what were stationed at the Yokosuka Naval Port or theYokota and Tachikawa Air Force Bases near Tokyo.

After about 15 minutes another cab came by and didnft stop. Maybe they thought I wanted to go to the Atsugi Navy base as it was only a short ride away and minimum fare of about 280 yen. I was really getting frustrated now. I waited about another ten minutes and started to walk to the main thoroughfare. I thought for sure Ifd be able to hail a cab there. No such luck. Four or five cabs passed me by.

Now I was getting angry. Here it was almost an hour since my train arrived and Ifm the only one unable to catch a cab. I began to understand how Afro-Americans feel in the US when they are unable to catch a cab late at night. I personally never faced any discrimination until I came to Japan and really never gave it much thought. I guess one has to actually feel discrimination firsthand to really understand it.

Anyway, I tried to hail three more cabs but to no avail. I thought about walking home, but calculated that it was too far and would probably take me about two hours. I contemplated going to one of the snacks or something till the first train at 5am, but I didnft feel much like hanging out all night. I was tired, still a little drunk, and had to be at school later on in the afternoon.

I walked back to the cab stand at the station as I figured that would be my best bet. Maybe some brave cab driver in need of a fare might stop. Since it was a little past 2 am I figured my chances were slim as there were no more trains.

As I was standing at the dark cab stand I glanced over to an area where there were about 20 or 30 bicycles parked. My mind started to spin. gHmmm,h I said. gWhat if I just 'borrow' a bike and ride it home? Screw these Japanese for not picking me up.h I banished that thought from my mind quickly as that is not my nature. But as I stood in the lonely darkness, with not a single cab coming by and my anger rising, that thought began to fester until I decided that yes, I will abscond with a bicycle.

Note: Back in the 70fs, and today also, the bicycle was the main means of transportation for most Japanese to travel to the train station, do shopping, or basically just get around within an hour or so from their home. Every home has at least one. I remember I was amazed at the literally hundreds and hundreds of bicycles parked at train stations and in front of supermarkets back then. Practically everyone owned a bicycle but me, as I preferred brisk walking.

Anyway, I walked over to the dimly lit area and began looking at the bikes. Just as I thought, they were locked. I walked down the row and looked at each bicycle individually until I came upon a bike that wasnft locked. As luck would have it, it had the owners name written in magic marker on the fender as do most bicycles in Japan.

Also, in Japan all bicycles sold come with a small lock located on the front frame near the spokes. All you have to do is push a small lever so a rod enters the area of the spokes and remove the key. The bicycle is then unrideable.

I continued walking down the rows of bicycles until I came upon one that had neither a name nor was it locked. I checked it out and it was your typical okusan, housewife, bicycle. It was small with a basket in the front; had no flat and was completely rideable. It was more than likely ridden by a salaryman. I looked around and the area was empty of people. But my conscience got the better of me and I decided to walk back to the main road and see if I could catch a cab again as I really didnft want to steal someonefs bicycle.

After about 10 minutes another cab passed me by pretending he didnft see me. It was then that I decided I would steal this bicycle. I walked quickly over to the area where the bicycle was parked like I wasnft doing anything wrong, put my bag in the basket and peddled away like it was my own bicycle all the while keeping a sharp eye out for the police. I was also sure to engage the light on the front wheel as itfs a law in Japan that all bicycles being driven at night have a light.

It was only after five minutes of peddling that my heartbeat began to return to normal as I was afraid that someone had seen me. All in all it took about 40 minutes to peddle home and I was in my apartment by 3am.

I thought about returning that bicycle, but never did. It wouldfve been so easy to peddle back to that station and leave it, but my girlfriend told me that I would be better off keeping it as it didnft have a name on it and the owner, thinking that it was stolen, would probably not look for it again.

I kept it and it became my main means of transportation. Instead of walking the seven minutes to the train station everyday, I now rode gmyh bicycle. Instead of taking a train to and a cab home, to party with my friends a few kilometers away, I now rode gmyh bicycle. Instead of walking to the supermarket to do my shopping and walking home again with bags of groceries, I now rode gmyh bicycle. And I made sure to lock it every time.

One summerfs night a few months later, about 9pm, I was riding it towards a bar a few kilometers away to party a little when a police car came up behind me and put on its red light. (I had forgotten to engage the light when I started out.) I stopped and was approached by two policemen. One of them asked me why I didnft have my light on and I told him that I forgot. They asked me what I was doing and where I was going and I told them. They asked if I was from the base and I told them that I was a student. They then asked for my Gaijin Card and I showed it to them. After they were satisfied that my gpapers were in order,h they asked me if this bike was mine and I told them that yes it was.

One policeman shined his light at the front and rear fenders and noticed I didnft have my name on it. He asked me why and I told him that I didnft know it had to be on there. (False!) They asked me where I bought it and I said it was given to me by a friend who moved out of the area. (False! I congratulated myself on my quick thinking.) They then asked me if I had it registered and I answered that I didnft know it had to be registered. (True! I didnft know that and no one told me.) Through it all I was polite to them and speaking polite Japanese and they even complimented me on my Japanese.

To my utter astonishment one policeman asked me in a real polite way if I wouldnft mind getting off the bicycle so he could check the registration number. He apologized and said that there had been a rash of bicycle thefts and he just wanted to check. I answered in the affirmative and got off. Now I was really scared and thought I was done for. A thousand thoughts went through my head in a second and I was sure that the person I stole it from had registered it. He flipped it over and shined his light on the frame to where the number was imprinted. He wrote the number down and got back in the police car where I heard him calling it in.

I tried as best I could to remain real cool while his partner engaged me in conversation such as how long I lived there, what I was studying, did I like Japanese food, you know, the usual 20 question routine. (If they were seasoned at interrogation, I was sure they knew I was nervous and lying.) I answered him as coolly as I could while keeping an ear out listening to the conversation of the other policeman with dispatch. I knew I was failing as I could feel the sweat beginning to build on my forehead this hot, humid night.

There was a lull while dispatch checked the number and, after a minute or two, I heard them responding: gNo such number is registered anywhere in the area.h I wondered if the policeman I was talking to noticed my relief at hearing this. The other one got out of the car and apologized again for checking and asked that I register it so that, in case someone stole it, it may be recovered. He also said that itfs a law to have the light engaged when riding at night. I apologized to them and they got back in their car and left.

Man was that close. Thank God the person I stole it from never reported it or registered it. I donft know what wouldfve happened, but I do know I would probably have ended up getting arrested and having to appear before a judge. Even though I knew I was gprofiledh and stopped because I was gaijin, it didnft bother me as I was accustomed to it living near a base. I understood why they did it and their reasons for doing so. After all, there were very few, if any, servicemen riding bicycles outside of base. Besides, the only times I was ever asked for my gaijin card (and I could count those times on one hand) was while living near the base. It was only later, after this experience that I was more alert and noticed that the policemen did stop even Japanese who were riding without their light on. I did end up registering it and putting my name on it though.

The only other time I was stopped on that bicycle was when I was riding with my girlfriend on the back. We were told that it was dangerous and not allowed even though everybody did it. They didnft ask for my Gaijin Card either.

After all these years do I regret stealing that bicycle? Yes I do. But considering the circumstances, and my age, I guess I justified it in my mind at the time. I doubt if I would ever do it today, but I canft say for sure what I would do if no cab would pick me up in the middle of nowhere just because I was gaijin. Maybe I would just find a place to hang out for the rest of the night.

I do feel sorry for the person I stole it from though. Maybe it was a student, a salaryman, a housewife, a single woman or guy, and they were really inconvenienced but, if it was locked, I never wouldfve taken it. If you live, or do eventually live in Japan and own a bicycle, make sure you lock it or someone may just gborrowh it if they are inconvenienced.

By the way, I did get hit by a truck once while riding it, but thatfs another story.

Iron Chef
Apr 15, 2005, 10:58
Wow, great read! Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed reading about your experience and can relate 100%.

epigene
Apr 15, 2005, 13:38
Pachipro-san,

Do you happen to know the one who got my son's bike the other day? :giggle:

Yes, he got it stolen, and it was locked!! It was the latest of a very popular model and set us back 80,000 yen!! These days, there are guys/gals who steal bikes just for fun and abandon them God-knows-where... :okashii:

BTW, the kind of bike you got is called "mama-chari" these days. Kids call bicycles "chari" or "charinko."

Well, I enjoyed reading it! Thanks for the story! :cool:

Doc
Apr 15, 2005, 14:07
Pachipro, I can relate on how you feel bad about the theft. You see I "borrowed" and "returned" form of transportation once too. I'm not going to get into it considering the law might me looking out for unknown felonies.

Doc:ramen::happy:

Suki-Yaki
Apr 15, 2005, 19:03
I wish though you'd returned the bike though ..

Someone has stolen my pretty bike , I still can't believe it, especially it was stolen in the middle of day light from the front of a famous place like Maruetsu , which happens to be just against a police cabbin .. MAN !! :okashii:

The bike was too old and rusty , I called it Red Rust... :( I couldn't believe someone would have an interest in stealing it .. :(


Once when I have over sleapt on the last train and missed my home town by 2 stations. I kept waiting there all alone in the night waiting for a cab...
I don't concider I was treated racially since the other some Japanese have been there first. But I do point at the "bad Gajin Luck" that all the taxis have finished by the time it was my turn. later like 20 minutes I managed to take a cab back home ... boy was it expensive !! :( :(


I praise you could ride a bike out of nowhere in the middle of the night and manage to get back home safe .. :cool:

Pachipro
Apr 16, 2005, 00:13
Pachipro-san,

Do you happen to know the one who got my son's bike the other day? :giggle:

Yes, he got it stolen, and it was locked!! It was the latest of a very popular model and set us back 80,000 yen!! These days, there are guys/gals who steal bikes just for fun and abandon them God-knows-where... :okashii:

BTW, the kind of bike you got is called "mama-chari" these days. Kids call bicycles "chari" or "charinko."

Well, I enjoyed reading it! Thanks for the story! :cool:
It was stolen when it was locked? That does seem very bold indeed. It's no wonder that the police stop people quite often on their bicycles. I thought stealing a bicycle was a rare occurance, but from some of the replies I guess not. Thanks for the heads up on the "mama-chari." I do remember hearing that word said some years later. I looked up the word in a dictionary and "charinko" means "a dipper". Is there a slang meaning to it or does "charinko" refer to the sound of the bell? I'm just guessing. Thanks. :wave:

Pachipro, I can relate on how you feel bad about the theft. You see I "borrowed" and "returned" form of transportation once too.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one! :shock:

I wish though you'd returned the bike though ..
You know something? I do too as I think about it often (even now, some 26 years later!) and really feel sorry for the person I took it from. I really should have never done it. Not being picked up by a cab does not justify stealing someone's means of transportation. If I knew who it was today, I would buy a brand new bicycle for them regardless of the cost or at least apologize to them and make amends in any way I could. :sorry: :sorry:
I praise you could ride a bike out of nowhere in the middle of the night and manage to get back home safe ..
Me too! I just pointed myself in the general direction and managed to luckily find my way home.

Doc
Apr 16, 2005, 06:45
I'm glad I wasn't the only one! :shock:

Well you see I stole something much bigger than a bicycle. MUCH BIGGER. Let's just say it was a Class A Felony that I had taken apart of, that I was literally blackmailed into doing. I still hate myself for it too.:(

Doc:ramen::happy:

epigene
Apr 16, 2005, 14:37
I looked up the word in a dictionary and "charinko" means "a dipper". Is there a slang meaning to it or does "charinko" refer to the sound of the bell? I'm just guessing.
Your question led me to an interesting find! :cool:

I learned the terms "chari" and "charinko" from my own kids and assumed they come from the sound of the bell on the bike.
I asked my husband about this, and he said he didn't know. So, I did a search and discovered that it comes from the Korean word "charunke" (don't know the real spelling--just romanized the katakana) meaning bicycle!! It seems to have been used in the Kansai area as slang for bike in the postwar years and spread to Tokyo and other parts of Japan in the past couple of decades. Chari/charinko remains youth slang today. The standard term is still "jitensha."

Thanks for asking me! :happy:

BTW, what do you mean by a "dipper"? A pickpocket or PCP? Not speaking to native English speakers on a daily basis is a huge disadvantage for learning and using idioms and slang... :relief:

Glenn
Apr 16, 2005, 14:55
I'm wondering if the bike that you stole wasn't stolen in the first place. How common is it for a bike to not have a name on it and and not be registered? It makes me think that the person you stole it from was trying to hide something. Maybe you were just playing your role in the karma game. :D

Maciamo
Apr 16, 2005, 22:54
A few American servicemen have been known to cause trouble; not want to pay their bills; want to pay in US $

Actually, shops are legally required to accept US$ in Japan, was I told. Many people don't know about it though, but one could complain to the authorities if a business refuses to accept US$. This doesn't work with any other currency but the Yen and USD.

I personally never faced any discrimination until I came to Japan and really never gave it much thought. I guess one has to actually feel discrimination firsthand to really understand it.

Same for me.


I have had a bicycle ever since I arrived in Japan. My wife bought the first one, which I only kept for about 6 months as after that it literally fell apart. Good that I wasn't checked at that time because it was registered at my wife's name, and I am sure I would have been taken to the police station until they checked everything (know someone to whom it happened - he stayed 2 hours being questioned as they couldn't contact the registered owner that had lent it to him).

I then bought a new bike registered at my name. I have been checked 6 times in the last 2 years, always within 10min from my house, twice by the same guy, been asked the routine questioned asked to Pachipro, asked for my alien registration card (twice only), etc. The first time I was checked I had just bought my new bicycle and still had the receit with the copy of the registration form. The cops were surprised that I had it with me, as nobody does usually, but they double-checked by radio anyway.

I was pretty pissed that they check me so many times, because:

1) It was always well before the last train (like 7pm or 9pm), and I was told by many Japanese that they normally only check Japanese people after the last train.
2) I do not live near a military base or near a typical gaijin hangout like Roppongi or Shinjuku.
3) If I really missed my last train I could walk back home from Ginza, Tokyo station, Asakusa, or if I am ready to walk 2h, also Shibuya, Shinjuku or Ikebukuro. There is thus no reason to suspect me of stealing a bicyle as my area is not remote, on the metro, and full of taxis all night.
4) In fact, I was checked in the (early) evening, not at night.
5) I was even checked once at lunchtime in a busy street full of other bicycles. The police car stopped just for me and singled me out, eventhough I look very serious, respectable, was wearing a suit, didn't drive carelessly or particularily fast. Not only was I late for my appointment, but it was utterly embarassing.

I am the kind of person who would never steal even a pen, but it irritates me at the petty behaviour of Japanese policemen (never had problem with policewomen though). Don't they have anything better to do than annoying people with their bicycles ? So what even if somebody had stolen a bicyle ? Most bikes in Japan only cost about 10,000yen (new, but many are not even worth 1,000 yen in the state they are after a few years). Why does it have to be bicycle they check and not wallets. credit cards, brand watches, handbags or whatever that cost 10 or 100x more than a **** bicycle ? I think this ingrained organised pettiness makes me as angry as the feeling of discrimination or embarassment caused by their checking my registration.

Kimota
Apr 20, 2005, 05:40
Let me get this straight--you were too lazy for a two hour walk?

Stealing bikes is one of the things that give foreigners a bad name in Japan. When I went to school in Japan, one of the foriegn professors even jokingly referred to "borrowing" bicycles when you miss the train to the new students coming into the university. It sort of reinforced my opinion of the quality of foreignors who go to teach in Japan.

I was stopped twice in the same week (by the same cop!) because I didn't have my license on my bike (I was leaving in a few weeks and giving it to my girlfriend, so didn't bother registering it). He automatically thought the bike was stolen because bicycle theft was so prevalent among foreign students.

This is just another one of a long line of gaijin stereotypes that are based on fact.

Glenn
Apr 20, 2005, 13:59
Let me get this straight--you were too lazy for a two hour walk?

Let me get this straight -- you were serious about that?

Pachipro
Apr 21, 2005, 00:24
Actually, shops are legally required to accept US$ in Japan, was I told. Many people don't know about it though, but one could complain to the authorities if a business refuses to accept US$. This doesn't work with any other currency but the Yen and USD.
Wow, I didn't even know that! Very interesting.

Why does it have to be bicycle they check and not wallets. credit cards, brand watches, handbags or whatever that cost 10 or 100x more than a **** bicycle ? I think this ingrained organised pettiness makes me as angry as the feeling of discrimination or embarassment caused by their checking my registration.
I agree with you on this one. Right. How come they never ask you for proof of where you got your watch or coat? I never thought of this. I guess it seems that it's much easier and less of a hassle for them. Since he knows you, he knows you'll have your gaijin card and he can then write in his log or something that he checked a few foreigners for their registration cards. He probably stopes the same foreigners all the time!

I always wondered why I was never stopped in my car and asked for my gaijin card when I was stopped at a light or something right next to a policeman who looked me right in the face! I also do not remember ever being asked for my gaijin card during drunk check while I was driving.

I know you're telling the truth about the number of times and the time of day you were stopped, but I am curious as to why they keep signaling you out so often and such odd times of day. Bad luck I guess.

Maciamo
Apr 21, 2005, 00:44
Btw, the police checked my bike registration again last night (9pm) ! This time they were stopping Japanese people too and explained it was because there had been lot's of bicycle thefts recently.

deadhippo
Apr 21, 2005, 00:59
Wow, I didn't even know that! Very interesting.


I agree with you on this one. Right. How come they never ask you for proof of where you got your watch or coat? I never thought of this.

well, i believe you are supposed to register your bike, unlike your watch or coat

and that next to umbrellas , bicycles are the most likely item to be stolen

Pachipro
Apr 21, 2005, 01:07
Let me get this straight--you were too lazy for a two hour walk?

Stealing bikes is one of the things that give foreigners a bad name in Japan. When I went to school in Japan, one of the foriegn professors even jokingly referred to "borrowing" bicycles when you miss the train to the new students coming into the university. It sort of reinforced my opinion of the quality of foreignors who go to teach in Japan.

I knew I would get flamed on this one sooner or later.

Well, considering the time of night and my frustration at not a single cab stopping for me because I was a foreigner I guess you can say that I was indeed too lazy to walk. That is not really a justification for what I had done but, if you read carefully, you'll see that I always preferred walking and regretted what I had done and how I justified it in my own young mind at the time. You calim to be an editor, but apparently you only glanced over the story and didn't read fully or understand the full story.

What would you have done if your were as pissed as I was? Stay there all night? Walk home when you just knew the general direction? I doubt if you'd be honest on this one because until it happens to you no one can say for sure what they would do in that situation.

Even your professor knows how common it is by his remark. He may have been joking, but he was telling you the truth. Japanese do it much more often than foreigners. Does that "reinforce" or change your opinion of all Japanese now? Apparently so by your remarks about foreigners.

Please don't be so naive as to put all foreign teachers, or foreigners for that matter, into the same catagory of stealing bikes and other bad behavior based on only one person. If that single quote by your professor reinforced your "opinion of the quality of foreign teachers who go to teach in Japan" maybe your opinion of foreigners in Japan was low to begin with.

Although not proud of what I had done, at least I was honest and wanted to relay a real life experience of living in a foreign country. It's not always peaches and cream. I am just human relaying a human experience. :wave:

Pachipro
Apr 22, 2005, 00:11
Btw, the police checked my bike registration again last night (9pm) !
AGAIN they stopped you?! You must hold the record for being stopped on a bicycle! Maybe they're alot more strict these days. That is pretty unbelievable. I feel for you.

This time they were stopping Japanese people too and explained it was because there had been lot's of bicycle thefts recently.
Still using the same old line I see. That's the same line they used on me 25 years ago! I guess it still works as an excuse for them to stop anybody.

Maciamo
Apr 22, 2005, 00:31
well, i believe you are supposed to register your bike, unlike your watch or coat

Yes, but it's easy to check the ownership of credit cards, with an ID (driving licence, alien registration card, etc.). They could also check mobile phones, portable PC's, etc.


and that next to umbrellas , bicycles are the most likely item to be stolen

This is something quite particular to Japan maybe. I have never heard of bicycles being stolen to often in Europe. But some Japanese people I met told me they sometime "borrow" a bicycle or umbrella. They think it's ok as they don't keep it, and... (magic words) "everybody does it" (which means one is allowed to do it, according to the Japanese mindset).

Funny that they never check the tickets in the metro while they do in Europe), but seem do obsessive about bicycles, although most bikes are worthless (already cheap when new, but most have lost all their value after a few years of usage, including mine). So my image of the Japanese police is that they just need to annoy people making them waste time and embarassing them in public for something that is anyway worthless. I call such people "bullies".

Doc
Apr 22, 2005, 01:56
All this talk about profiling by the police reminds of a story of a similar incident happening to me once. It happend last year, about 10:30 p.m. in the middle of the night. I was driving home and got pulled over by a cop. I didn't do anything wrong, went the speed limit, etc, but the cop's excuse was that I was crossing the center line. Funny thing was that I never once did cross the center line. He really just pulled me over to see if he could bust me for anything. Ironically in small towns in America you never want to drive around after 9:00 p.m. The police will pull you over no matter what because they seriously want to just profile people, and try to bust them with anything they can find.

Doc:ramen::happy:

Pachipro
Apr 22, 2005, 02:54
He really just pulled me over to see if he could bust me for anything. Ironically in small towns in America you never want to drive around after 9:00 p.m. The police will pull you over no matter what because they seriously want to just profile people, and try to bust them with anything they can find.
You are right on. I see it everynight on the interstate. Here in Tennessee if you see a white car in the median with his spotlight on they are what we truckers call "cocaine cowboys." They are not looking for speeders. They will pull over an out of state car and rip it apart completely with their dogs in tow and everything, looking for drugs just because the driver looked "suspicious".

Now with the so called "Patriot Act" they don't need a search warrant. And after 9pm you are a moving target in any small town. I know. I live in one! All they need is a belief that the person may be doing something wrong and you are pulled over for no reason whatsoever. According to a police friend of mine, "cross the center line twice and you are pulled over. Sometimes only once!" Much like the Japanese police.

Doc
Apr 22, 2005, 03:02
You are right on. I see it everynight on the interstate. Here in Tennessee if you see a white car in the median with his spotlight on they are what we truckers call "cocaine cowboys." They are not looking for speeders. They will pull over an out of state car and rip it apart completely with their dogs in tow and everything, looking for drugs just because the driver looked "suspicious".

Now with the so called "Patriot Act" they don't need a search warrant. And after 9pm you are a moving target in any small town. I know. I live in one! All they need is a belief that the person may be doing something wrong and you are pulled over for no reason whatsoever. According to a police friend of mine, "cross the center line twice and you are pulled over. Sometimes only once!" Much like the Japanese police.

Well if I did cross the center line it had only to be once because I was watching the road when I was driving. I was also going 10 miles under the speed limit because it was the middle of winter, and the road I was on was covered in thick ice. What also made me mad was the cop was right on my tail the entire time. He literally road my bumper all the way to the point when he pulled me over. He wanted to see if I had any boozes or anything, and because I looked young he thought I had been out partying. (I don't do that stuff because it's not who I am, period.) I will say I did do something illegal that night just to get the cop back though. I went out on a back road and paintballed every single road sign (except the dangerous turns and stop signs of course). It was the first and only time I ever did that on my own. Never did it again, but it did feel good to basically say FU to the police for what why did to me.

Doc:ramen::happy:

(For the record paintballs are nothing more than vegitable oil, so by the next day the damn painballs had already cleared off the sign.)

Shas
Apr 22, 2005, 07:15
riding a huge bike (made for long legged gaijins :P) might good because nobodys tall enough to steal it and ride away http://www.jref.com/forum/images/smilies/m-bata.gif

Maciamo
Apr 22, 2005, 11:00
Ironically in small towns in America you never want to drive around after 9:00 p.m. The police will pull you over no matter what because they seriously want to just profile people, and try to bust them with anything they can find.
Now with the so called "Patriot Act" they don't need a search warrant. And after 9pm you are a moving target in any small town.

Wow, that's also very surprising for me. I have never been stopped or checked once in my life by the police in Europe (and I have lived in 5 EU countries), on foot, bicycle, in a car or whatever, even when driving a car well over the speed limit. I also haven't heard of anyone (friends, relatives...) having their bicycle registration checked in Europe (and there are quite a lot of bicycles in the Benelux).

My reaction if a cop bothered me in my own country would be to complain to his superior and get him fired. Unfortunately I don't have the right connections in Japan (yet).

keanureave2002
Apr 22, 2005, 19:59
I am really enjoying with your great story.. It is dam good and interesting

Pachipro
Apr 23, 2005, 03:42
My reaction if a cop bothered me in my own country would be to complain to his superior and get him fired.
That used to be the way it was in the states. But since 911 and the new "Patriot Act" the police can stop you anytime, anywhere, for any reason and search you. All they need is "just cause." Does anyone know thier history and remember Nazi Germany? It was the same way.

It's pretty sad that a majority of Americans don't even know what the "Patriot Act" can do to their freedom. Heck, if I am caught with a certain amount of marajuana (what they consider to be an amount over normal consumption) they can confiscate my house, my cars, and all my life savings from the bank and I cannot do anything about it. Nor will I ever get it back even if I proved the amount is for "personal consumption!"

Even if they found say, $3,000 in my house that I just decided to keep there instead of a bank, they can say that that amount of money was drug money as no normal people keep that amount of money in their house. They would then confiscate everything that I own and I could not ever get it back. Sound foolish? It's true as you read about stories like that every day in newspapers in this country. It really makes me scared.

Shas
Apr 23, 2005, 06:10
That used to be the way it was in the states. But since 911 and the new "Patriot Act" the police can stop you anytime, anywhere, for any reason and search you. All they need is "just cause." Does anyone know thier history and remember Nazi Germany? It was the same way.

i dont like the trend that everybody allways compares everything with nazi germany. that a policeofficer can check you is so far away from nazi germany and the comparison with nazi germany should be made careful


@ maciamo: you mean if a policeofficer stops you because you do something suspicious you want to get him fired?

i dont like that either :) he has a job and maybe a family and its allright to stop people for riding bikes late after night or driving fast or so


well



the story is gooood :D


by the way i have found out that in every major european city a bycycle is the best you can get ... in crowded areas like new york (where people also drive like crazy!) it might not be a good idea but i recommend using your bike ! its awesome how easy you get to places

Chipperprime
Apr 24, 2005, 13:00
Once (in Japan) my bicycle was stolen from where I kept it.

The next day (as I was walking to work) I found it again. The handlebars were broken, but at least it was mine.

**By the way: This is my first post!

Pachipro
Apr 25, 2005, 05:59
**By the way: This is my first post!

:wave: Hello and welcome to the forums. Looking forward to hearing some of your experiences.

Doc
Apr 25, 2005, 09:05
The Patriot Act can kiss my ass. This is another reason why I don't like living in this country is because of that damn thing. >____>

Doc:ramen::happy:

Sody
Apr 25, 2005, 17:58
Great story, thanks for sharing your experience.

Sody

life
May 14, 2005, 23:51
my jitensha was stolen about four months after i bought it. i went to my friend's apartment to help her finish her paper but the next day when we were about to go to the university my white chevy was gone already. If I had a choice then, i wouldn't have bought a chevrolet because it's quite expensive for a gaijin like me but it was the only bike I could get to ride on because it was light and very easy to maneuver. i felt so sad because i never thought somebody would do that here in japan. it was locked but maybe because it was so light, the culprit loaded it into his/her car. i reported it to the police but so far no develpments yet.it's been 5 months now and i don't expect it will be returned. whoever took it, i hope it has served him a good purpose. but i feel sad, judgment is not for me to make but i feel there are better options to take when one is in a critical situation than causing harm or hurt to others.

Pachipro
May 16, 2005, 04:23
whoever took it, i hope it has served him a good purpose. but i feel sad, judgment is not for me to make but i feel there are better options to take when one is in a critical situation than causing harm or hurt to others.
It is for resasons like this that I still feel regret and remorse to this day, some 24 years later for taking that bicycle!

life
May 18, 2005, 14:56
oh i am so sorry sir. i didn't mean to remind u of it. i know u'r a good man because who would have the courage to admit what wrong he has done and regret doing it but a man of noble virtue. honestly, i think this world needs more of people like you. and besides, your situation was quite different or should i say more understandable.

Pachipro
May 20, 2005, 01:21
oh i am so sorry sir. i didn't mean to remind u of it.
No need to apologize as I myself think about it more often than I want to. :wave:

epigene
May 20, 2005, 10:19
It's too bad people are stealing bikes for fun (mostly) or for gain.

My son's bike was never found... :bawling:
It was a popular model--popular because it was supposed to be burglarproof! See this:
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/jcm/N-gatyarinko.htm

My advice to anyone who plans to ride bicycles in Japan:
Don't get the really expensive bikes (like Mercedes-Benz or Peugot models) or the ones with electric motors (from Yamaha, I think) which is absolutely outstanding if you live in an area with many slopes. If you do, get double or triple locks and storage place that keeps the bike away from public view.

Buy the cheap, used bikes available at many bicycle shops, sold at around 4,000 or 5,000 yen.

My son is considering moving up to driving a car.... :blush:

Kara_Nari
May 21, 2005, 15:40
I can symapthise with the whole last train/bus home and not being able to get a taxi (luckily I always do in the end). Im thinking that perhaps if I was in the same situration I might take a bike too if its just sitting there with no lock and no name. Its not like you didnt think twice or break any locks.... its kinda just asking to happen. Oh dear im thinking bad thoughts, but if I was drunk and couldnt walk in a very straight line let alone 2 hours I would probably either fall asleep somewhere or do as you did and take a bike... maybe a skateboard would be easier for me though im a bit scared to ride on the road in Korea. Being inside the taxi is bad enough! I now can understand why my boyfriend is such a BAD driver. Why do buses and trains finish so early in Japan and Korea? All the bars stay open so why not have adequate transport? Sleeping in a stinky pc room isnt so much fun. Even 'back in the days' New Zealand has night rider buses where the last one leaves at 3am. Actually I still dont know what time the last bus or train leave, but Im guessing that its way before im ready to go home :)

Maciamo
Jul 13, 2005, 09:56
Little update. I had missed this 3 year-old article of Arudo Debito in the Japan Time : Pedal pushers cop a load on Yasukuni Dori.

He exlpains how he was stopped three times in one hour while cycling around Kanda and Yasukuni-dori in East Tokyo. Apparently he had never been checked in Hokkaido where he lives, and he hasn't been checked in other areas of Tokyo. I think I am starting to understand my misfortune and irritation, as I live only 15min away by bicycle from Kanda, and was always stopped in the adjacent Nihombashi-Otemachi area.

This still does not explains why my wife or her mother, or most of my Japanese friends using a bicycle everyday have never been checked, or why I was once stopped by a police car in day time and not by one of those bicycle checkpoints.

thomas
Jul 13, 2005, 14:34
Sorry Maciamo, edited your post accidentally. :-)

Debito's article is linked in the Japan Directory: Tokyo Police Bike Checkpoints (http://www.jref.com/cgi-bin/jump.cgi?ID=12762).

I ride the bike for at least 2 hours each day in Tokyo, passing through the Kanda area daily, as well as Minato-ku and Tsukiji. I disregard traffic lights and other rules stipulated by road traffic laws, I overtake cops on their bikes, but have never managed to make them to stop me. What am I doing wrong?
:p

Maciamo
Jul 13, 2005, 15:10
I ride the bike for at least 2 hours each day in Tokyo, passing through the Kanda area daily, as well as Minato-ku and Tsukiji. I disregard traffic lights and other rules stipulated by road traffic laws, I overtake cops on their bikes, but have never managed to make them to stop me. What am I doing wrong?


I think it is because you are too fast and they don't even try going after you. :p Maybe it is true having an expensive "European-looking" bike may help not being checked. You also have two chains proudly displayed on your bike, so if they see it they will suppose that it cannot possibly have been stolden. My bike is old, has the front basket broken, the light that sometimes stop working after I pass on a hump or pass from the road to the pavement... Maybe it doesn't fit with my apperance while wearing a suit and necktie ? I don't know.

Anyway, it seems that you are the lucky one and the exception. How could have Debito been checked 3x in a single day ?! :mad: I would be seriously pissed if that happned to me.

Mars Man
Aug 7, 2005, 07:55
pachipro, dude, I know where you're coming from although I've never been in the same stiuation. If it had been me, crazy me, well, I grew up in pretty much the same neck of the woods (Muscle Shoals, Alabama--35 min. of fast peddling to the ole Volunteer State line) I would've walked. Done it before in a stupor (sp?) and would probably do it again, if I had too. BUT I know where you're coming from.

I ain't never been stopped, I anin't never been checked 'bout any bikes, or whatnot, but I did get real cozy with the cops in the Matsumoto area, yo. I mean, like, on one speed trap set up, after they flashed my over, they greeted me like one of their old drinking buddies--yes, I went to that school and took that test TWO ffff times !!

Now these stolen bicycles, and there is a problem with this in Japan, where do they all eventually end up at? I'll tell you, they all end up here in the rivers in Nagano. So if you're looking for your stolen two-wheeled friend, maybe you should come check out these river bed machines that so often look shockingly new. Maybe I'm lucky, or what, I don't know, but I've never been harrassed by the law protector/abusers here in Jpn.

Shas !! Do you live anywhere near Hiedelburg?
Doc !! I hope all goes better for you in the old going, going, GONE US of A. MY aunt married a guy from Romania in the early '70s in order to help him become a citizen. We had some good times together--he was just a little older than myself.

soltanto mia
Aug 24, 2005, 19:38
Well, Kyoto City will steal your bicycle and then make you pay to get it back!
now THAT'S robbery!

thomas
Aug 25, 2005, 09:34
Well, Kyoto City will steal your bicycle and then make you pay to get it back!
now THAT'S robbery!
That's not restricted to Kyoto. Most of the municipalities sweep the areas around larger stations clean of mama charries at least once a month. Happened to me too, felt like extortion, lolol.

nurizeko
Jan 17, 2006, 18:56
I am the kind of person who would never steal even a pen, but it irritates me at the petty behaviour of Japanese policemen (never had problem with policewomen though). Don't they have anything better to do than annoying people with their bicycles ? So what even if somebody had stolen a bicyle ? Most bikes in Japan only cost about 10,000yen (new, but many are not even worth 1,000 yen in the state they are after a few years). Why does it have to be bicycle they check and not wallets. credit cards, brand watches, handbags or whatever that cost 10 or 100x more than a **** bicycle ? I think this ingrained organised pettiness makes me as angry as the feeling of discrimination or embarassment caused by their checking my registration.
I agree, it is pretty darn stupid to be so competent protecting against bike theft, while ignoring gaijin driving expensive cars or you know more important things.
I think its just because japanese cops have feck all to do law enforcement wise without their obsession on bikes, its no secret the japanese society is good at policing itself, crime may rise or fall but its still sweet compared to western countries, i worry for my mum walking about at night in my home town, and thats one of the safer parts of britain.

This is something quite particular to Japan maybe. I have never heard of bicycles being stolen to often in Europe. But some Japanese people I met told me they sometime "borrow" a bicycle or umbrella. They think it's ok as they don't keep it, and... (magic words) "everybody does it" (which means one is allowed to do it, according to the Japanese mindset).

Thats because theres hardly any bikes to steal, because nobody wants one because they know itll get stolen, so bikes have become mere childhood playthings that they grow out of.

my last bike i had when i was 14 was stolen, i couldnt even report it because the police would do feck all, and even if they tried they would probably not find it.

Suffice to say the car commands western commuting, so our police concentrate on car crime.

Mitsuo
Feb 9, 2006, 08:18
Stealings baad, mmmmkayy??-Mr. Macky

Yeah it happened to me too. But I was planning on getting a new bike, and I was going to give it to good will..Meh, mine doesn't count.

Uchite
Jul 20, 2006, 16:56
You are right on. I see it everynight on the interstate. Here in Tennessee if you see a white car in the median with his spotlight on they are what we truckers call "cocaine cowboys." They are not looking for speeders. They will pull over an out of state car and rip it apart completely with their dogs in tow and everything, looking for drugs just because the driver looked "suspicious".

It is the same here in Louisiana. You don't have to be doing anything wrong. Not even speeding. Whenever I rent a car if I go out of town, I ALWAYS make certain it has the license plate of the state I am in.


Now with the so called "Patriot Act" they don't need a search warrant. And after 9pm you are a moving target in any small town. I know. I live in one! All they need is a belief that the person may be doing something wrong and you are pulled over for no reason whatsoever. According to a police friend of mine, "cross the center line twice and you are pulled over. Sometimes only once!" Much like the Japanese police.

Yep!

And the thing is, again you don't have to be doing ANYTHING wrong! Call me paranoid, but I don't even like being out on the street on a weeknight after 11:00 if possible, and sometimes even on weekends! Especially after Katrina! The less people out, the more of a "target" you are for some bored cop looking to make a bust, or just hassle some innocent person because he is bored.

But at the same time since Katrina, we have had a lot of riff-raff come into town, bringing lots of crime and general mayhem into our once wonderful and beautiful city. The problem is you can never find a cop when you need one because they are too busy harrassing innocent people!!