Has anyone set up their own English language school?

[Musashi Maru]

Just wondered how you do it. Any info appreciated.

[DoctorP]

I have a friend who opened a school in Kyushu and was very profitable for many years and then decided to move here (for medical reasons) and do the same thing and found that it is not working out as well here.

I personally can not give you any info that will help you out, but I'm sure others will be along shortly and give you some info you can use!

[deadhippo]

I have a friend who opened a school in Kyushu and was very profitable for many years and then decided to move here (for medical reasons) and do the same thing and found that it is not working out as well here.


where is here?

[Harvey]

Many people on this active mailing list has.
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/SmallBizJapan/

You can sign up and ask, or just listen to their conversations.

Also I believe Genki English http://genkienglish.net/start.htm was started by a dude in Japan. Also http://www.wisdom21.com is one that started as a guy teaching out of his apartment.

[Iron Chef]

It's a LOT of work, trust me (but worth it in the long run). I have recently started my own language school here in Fukuoka actually with my business partners. The following links should explain just about everything (including administrative and statutory reqs, etc.). Add on top of that the cost of launching an extensive PR campaign (mine will cost in excess of ￥1,500,000 alone over three months) and you start to see the picture... heh. :-)

http://www.jetro.go.jp/
http://venturejapan.com/starting-yugen-kaisha-yg.htm

[headsupcustoms]

Iron chef - you can hire me if you like!

[Pachipro]

I was planning on opening my own English language school when I came across a person who mentioned that he knew someone who was looking to sell one and move back to the states. I was already successful teaching out of my apartment with about 10 students and wanted to expand further.

He was teaching out of his rented home which I would rent and he had a student base of about 50 students. He was selling it for 500,000 yen. I bought it and my wife and I expanded it to over 100 students teaching six days a week. It was very successful and we ended up renting a 5 room mansion in a danchi (apartment) complex of over 300 apartments nearby which we taught out of plus I had a few contracts from nearby companies where I taught in the mornings.

It was quite easy and all we had to do was register with the local city hall. There was a small fee and we were given an accountant free of charge for one year that we could then retain for a fee after the year was up. He was so good at hiding our income that we hired him and hardly paid any taxes at all. We were not incorporated or a limited company, but were equal to a vegetable stand or other smaller family business so we didn't have to pay the extremely high cost of those companies.

It was a very successful business and very profitable and we ended up selling it some three years later for 1.5 million yen to move back to the states as the economy was getting out of hand. Not much, but I wanted to get rid of it quickly.

If I ever want to teach again in Japan I would find a big Danchi complex, rent a mansion there and send out fliers to all the apartments. Living in a danchi and teaching from your home there is a ready made business just waiting to be tapped. At least it was back when I did it in the '80's.

[senseiman]

My experience was similar to Pachipro's, my wife and I set up our own little "school" (for lack of a better term) out of our apartment. We made a pretty decent living out of it, topping up our income with lessons at local businesses and schools (YWCA, unions, insurance companies etc) and after two years of it we gave our students to a friend for a nominal fee and moved to Canada.

One word of warning. There are a lot of companies that advertise 'English school Franchises', I strongly advise against giving these people any money. In the Kansai area (possibly elsewhere) there is a place called "Smith's" that advertises everywhere and charges 15,000 dollars US for one of their franchises. This is just a scam to take your money, the horror stories I have heard from people who have had dealings with this guy just make my skin crawl.

[Mars Man]

Howdy Musahshi Maru san !

I'm sure that those good links will help a bit, and would just add, that it may well be worth the time to give good consideration to your particular situation, and all, before making the move.

I have been doing my own private English bus. on the side for some while now. The business part is similar to the small mom & pop like arrangement--however the laws on business set up are or have changed and there seems to be a better way (in some situations), I'm not real sure. Our business is in the little lady's name, and I'm an employee--that's to avoid US required, self-employment tax--I don't make any efforts to hide too much, only what's fair.

But, I run it on a delivery basis; house to house-like. I have no rent, other than one room which I rent out for Friday evenings only, and no overhead in that regards--only the car and transportation costs. I go to the students and have done several businesses as well. I have kept advertising costs way down by other methods. (Call it luck, call it whatever, I have had a prefectural-wide radio show for 6 months, have been in the local newspaper a number of times, and give annual talks on 'Internationalism' all which seem to have boosted knowledge of my presence, and then, just good ole 'word of mouth' has done the trick for me.) I think I will do putting out some flyers this up-coming Spring, though.

Location is also important, you wouldn't want too much competition when your just starting out, of course. I took me some three years to really get up off the ground, and it's not that big a money thing, because it's only you, if you know what I mean, but it's funner than the school thing, I feel--I've done that before (not my own bus. though)

I wish you the best of luck !! If you could speak and teach more than just English, I think it would be good !! GANBATTE KUDASAI !! :cool:

[Silverpoint]

Just wondered how you do it. Any info appreciated.

I did the teaching thing for about a 18 months, before I got a 'proper' job. A few points spring to mind:

1. Get a job with a regular school and then steal a few students when you leave, to set you up. Your contract will almost definitely forbid this, but it's virtually unenforceable.

2. The absolute key to an easy life (as any self-employed teacher would tell you) is GROUP lessons. If you can persuade a 5 housewives to take a class together for a couple of thousand each, you're pulling in 10 grand an hour. Private students will rarely want to pay more than 3,000-4,000 for a one-to-one class so the economics speak for themselves. If you can persuade students to bunch up, you're onto a winner and could earn a decent living with only 10 hours work a week.

3. Push your students to introduce new students. Offer them a free lesson or some kind of incentive if they bring their mates to your school. Most of the students I got were referrals. I never advertised once.

[Mike Cash]

One thing to ask yourself before you go into it is if teaching English is something you really, really enjoy and want to do. I've taught English both as an employee and privately on the side in the past, and made pretty good money at it. But it wasn't the sort of work I like and I couldn't see myself doing it long-term....even as boss/owner. I make less money now, work longer hours, and have a job with zero social prestige, but I am far more satisfied doing it.

Just the other day I turned down an offer to teach 1 class a week, which would have easily have meant at least 20,000/month for me. I just don't care to do it anymore.

Get into it only if it is something you want to do....not because you feel as a gaijin it is somehow the only thing you can do.

[RockLee]

One thing to ask yourself before you go into it is if teaching English is something you really, really enjoy and want to do. I've taught English both as an employee and privately on the side in the past, and made pretty good money at it. But it wasn't the sort of work I like and I couldn't see myself doing it long-term....even as boss/owner. I make less money now, work longer hours, and have a job with zero social prestige, but I am far more satisfied doing it.

Just the other day I turned down an offer to teach 1 class a week, which would have easily have meant at least 20,000/month for me. I just don't care to do it anymore.

Get into it only if it is something you want to do....not because you feel as a gaijin it is somehow the only thing you can do.You took the words out of my mouth ! I'm thinking of a way to get a job in Japan (talking about 2007 here) but I don't want to be an English-teacher.
A.I'm not an English native
B.I don't want to spend time getting a degree or certification
C.My English isn't that good (my personal opinion) to be qualified to teach
So I'm looking into other alternatives.You absolutely have to be sure you want to be an English teacher before you take the big step. Anyways that's my 2 cent!

[Mike Cash]

As I tell everyone who is contemplating moving to Japan:

Bring marketable job skills

It is fine to teach English (or some other language) if that is what one wishes to do, but it is horrible to find yourself stuck doing that with no other options.

[Dutch Baka]

there is a place called "Smith's" that advertises everywhere and charges 15,000 dollars US for one of their franchises. This is just a scam to take your money, the horror stories I have heard from people who have had dealings with this guy just make my skin crawl.

please tell me more about this, because i have seen some of their advertisments, and sended my c.v. towards them, so tell us more about it, please

[senseiman]

please tell me more about this, because i have seen some of their advertisments, and sended my c.v. towards them, so tell us more about it, please

I recommend having absolutely nothing to do with Smith's, they are just bad news.

One example (among MANY) is the "Smith's coach of communicative confidence" teacher's course they offer. It is absolutely the biggest rip off in the world. For about 1,000 dollars US they give you a 3 day course in teaching the Mark Smith way (Mark Smith doesn't even have a university degree, let alone any actual teaching credentials). They advertise it as if it were the most prestigious certificate in the world, yet as someone who has spent several years in the English teaching business I can assure you that it isn't worth the paper its printed on. Compared to the Cambridge certificate course that lasts several months, is internationally recognized and taught by highly qualified instructors for not much more money it is just the most insanely overpriced thing I've ever seen. Obviously it is just a scam to rip off newcomers to Japan.

That is just one example, just about every aspect of their business is a scam from what I can tell. Bear in mind that I have never had any dealings with them and don't have any axe to grind here, I just did a little research on them a few years back and was totally shocked by it all. The English teaching websites used to be full of horror stories about them, but unfortunately since Mr. Smith started taking out advertising on those sites any threads warning people about his shady business practices get pulled down.

[mangaman]

"it is horrible to find yourself stuck doing that with no other options" Yes Yes and not just bad for you but bad for us who have to listen to you whine! especially those of us who enjoy and/or are serious about teaching. If I only had 10 yen for everyone I have heard slagging off teaching. But the problem is not with teaching per se but in the heads of people who don't want to be doing it but don't take responsibility for themselves to get into something they want to do.

[Silverpoint]

I think one of the fundamental problems, is that a lot of teachers I meet are fresh-faced university graduates for whom teaching in Japan is a 'year-out' before starting a real job back home. They have little experience of actually working for a living, and seem to resent the fact that they have to turn up and do a job, when what they really want is a year-long paid holiday.

[Pachipro]

1. Get a job with a regular school and then steal a few students when you leave, to set you up. Your contract will almost definitely forbid this, but it's virtually unenforceable.
I have done this in the past for private students I liked in order to save them some money and it worked out quite well. Although your contract or the rules state it is forbidden, it IS impossible to enforce.

2. The absolute key to an easy life (as any self-employed teacher would tell you) is GROUP lessons. If you can persuade a 5 housewives to take a class together for a couple of thousand each, you're pulling in 10 grand an hour. Private students will rarely want to pay more than 3,000-4,000 for a one-to-one class so the economics speak for themselves. If you can persuade students to bunch up, you're onto a winner and could earn a decent living with only 10 hours work a week.
Group lessons are the way to go. In my case I charged 1,000 yen/student up to high school for a 50 minute group lesson. Maximum 10 students=10,000 yen/hr. If it was a housewife class, I usually charged 2,500-3,000/hr/student depending on the number. I also charged the same for college students and businessmen as their numbers were smaller. Either way I went, I ensured that I was getting at least 10,000 yen/hr. In the case of the kids though, I sometimes got less than 10,000/hr as I didn't get the maximum 10 students. Sometimes it was 8 or 7 or 5, but I would only accept a minimum of 5 students/class. Still, 5,000 yen/hr is not bad.

On the other hand I charged the going rate of 10,000 yen/hr for a one on one private lesson of 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. No one seemed to balk at it and gladly paid the price for a private lesson so close to home.

3. Push your students to introduce new students. Offer them a free lesson or some kind of incentive if they bring their mates to your school. Most of the students I got were referrals. I never advertised once.
Same here. I only advertised in the beginning and that was it. The school grew from there. I offered a free lesson for all interested students. and a free lesson for every student they introduced. I also employed the Japanese custom of "entrance fee" money for joining the school (Nyu kai kin in Japanese.) This would usually be a one time fee of 5,000 yen/family. Hey, it was the custom, was free money, and was expected.

Also, since my wife was Japanese, we offered courses in "Chu gakko eigo", loosly translated as "Middle School English". Here she taught only the grammar portion that was required for the entrance examinations into high school and college. This proved to be a very lucrative part of our business.

Our business is in the little lady's name, and I'm an employee--that's to avoid US required, self-employment tax--I don't make any efforts to hide too much, only what's fair.
Back in the 80's one could make a maximum of $80,000/yr and not be required to pay US taxes. Has that changed? Our accountant made sure we made less than that and I never paid any US taxes, nor was I called in by the IRS when I returned to the states. Also, the school was in my name.

One thing to ask yourself before you go into it is if teaching English is something you really, really enjoy and want to do. I've taught English both as an employee and privately on the side in the past, and made pretty good money at it. But it wasn't the sort of work I like and I couldn't see myself doing it long-term....even as boss/owner. I make less money now, work longer hours, and have a job with zero social prestige, but I am far more satisfied doing it.

Just the other day I turned down an offer to teach 1 class a week, which would have easily have meant at least 20,000/month for me. I just don't care to do it anymore.

Get into it only if it is something you want to do....not because you feel as a gaijin it is somehow the only thing you can do
Mike is right on the money here. If you don't like teaching than don't even try it as, even though you may make some good money and it is easy, it can be a life of hell if you don't enjoy it as I have heard from other teachers. In my case I thoroughly enjoyed it and enjoyed never having to leave my house to "go to work" so to speak. However, if I had a job over there driving a truck as I do here in the US now, I may have preferred that over teaching English as I love driving and there is nothing better than getting paid for something you love to do.

And like Mike says, BRING MARKETABLE SKILLS, especially if you are not a native speaker of English and are not into the teaching thing. It will make your life in Japan that much easier.

@Dutch Baka: I've never heard of the Smith's thing and I agree with senseiman that is NOT WORTH IT. You are better off sending out fliers and teaching from your home than you would be in buying one of his franchises. Sounds like a real scam to me. Besides the government fees to incorporate or become a Limited company are outrageous (at least 1,000,000 yen!) and my guess is that is what you would have to do if you bought one of his franchises. Do it yourself. It's much easier. And cheaper.

@Rock Lee: You don't need a certification to teach English in Japan. Most requirements are that you be a native speaker and have a four year college degree, but if you speak with ANY degree of fluency you can be hired by a local scam school or teach on your own. After all, alot of the owners of these "fly-by-night" schools cannot speak English on a fluent level or hold a decent conversation. Their only experience is that they graduated from a Japanese university with a degree in English and most of us who lived there know what that means. It means they may be able to read English, but they cannot speak it! In that case how would they know you were not a native speaker or not?

[stephan]

As I tell everyone who is contemplating moving to Japan:

Bring marketable job skills

It is fine to teach English (or some other language) if that is what one wishes to do, but it is horrible to find yourself stuck doing that with no other options.


ok then,Give us please(you or anyone else) a few examples of those MARKETABLE JOB SKILLS

[Bearcat]

I recommend having absolutely nothing to do with Smith's, they are just bad news.

One example (among MANY) is the "Smith's coach of communicative confidence" teacher's course they offer. It is absolutely the biggest rip off in the world. For about 1,000 dollars US they give you a 3 day course in teaching the Mark Smith way (Mark Smith doesn't even have a university degree, let alone any actual teaching credentials). They advertise it as if it were the most prestigious certificate in the world, yet as someone who has spent several years in the English teaching business I can assure you that it isn't worth the paper its printed on. Compared to the Cambridge certificate course that lasts several months, is internationally recognized and taught by highly qualified instructors for not much more money it is just the most insanely overpriced thing I've ever seen. Obviously it is just a scam to rip off newcomers to Japan.

That is just one example, just about every aspect of their business is a scam from what I can tell. Bear in mind that I have never had any dealings with them and don't have any axe to grind here, I just did a little research on them a few years back and was totally shocked by it all. The English teaching websites used to be full of horror stories about them, but unfortunately since Mr. Smith started taking out advertising on those sites any threads warning people about his shady business practices get pulled down.

If you want to see more details on Smith's School of English and their lies, scam, etc then there's this blog up that gives more details:

http://blogs.free-esl.com/blogs/blog.asp?fEntry=251

Like Senseiman said, steer clear of this group if you value you money and peace of mind.

[Ewok85]

ok then,Give us please(you or anyone else) a few examples of those MARKETABLE JOB SKILLS

Heres what I'm selling as my skills -
6 Years work experience in the IT sector including a traineeship, on-site work and managing teams of people
Sales and Retail experience
Experience teaching at Kindergarten, Primary, Secondary levels and tutoring Tertiary students
8 Years of Full Time Japanese study including holding JLPT grade 2
MOUS certification (coming soon)
Good References both from Australia (work/uni) and Japan (character references and previous volunteer work)
Well dressed, friendly and open :)

I think thats kinda what he means....

[Bearcat]

Just wanted to mention that the blog mentioned above has now moved to its own full fledged website:

http://smithwatch.nanobit.net/index.php?name=News

[nanosmith]

Hello. This is a public announcement from Smithwatch, Bearcat, and myself. In the past we had a campaign of hate towards Mark Smith and his organization Smith's School of English based on lies and jealously.
The url above no longer exists. It was a site we spent hundreds of hours making and sacrificing so much, including time away from our families because of our 'important' cause. But it was more of an obsession, an addiction, if you will, that manifested into one of the biggest rants of falsehoods in history.
A few points:
Our main source is a diagnosed schizophrenic so is afraid for his life from Mark Smith. Look at all his rants that begin from here:
aacircle.com.au/forums/f2/smith-s-school-english-japan-3434/
And you can see his hallucination episodes here:
"Mark John Smith.
This is addressed to you.
Last night I left my apartment at 8pm walking to my friends house. I live (as you know) in a small, quiet place in Kobe.
As I left my apartment and turned immediate left, there was a car that started and followed me at walking pace.
Not unusual, I thought. The streets are amazingly narrow where I live and normally only small cars exist around there.
This same car was behind me for 3 totally haphazard corners that I took after I noticed it was following. It was a black, recent model Mercedes Benz sedan with Osaka plates. (Osaka xx xx) as I recall. The windows were heavily tinted.
After the 3rd corner I decided to put between myself and this car as much physical distance as possible. I did, and thought that would be the last of it as I egressed through the streets that cars can't use.
10 minutes later, and about 500metres away on a fairly busy main road, I came across the same Black, tinted Benz with Osaka plates (same rego) stopped at a Traffic Signal I had to cross.
I crossed in front of the car and off into the next streets. There was no-one that I could see through the tinting.
The car raced off at the lights thereafter, turning immediate right and to the south in the same direction I had just egressed.
Again more distance making which worked better this time for me.
That was the end of the night. I informed my friends who already know of this situation and today went to the authorities.
This is now the second time this 'kind' of incident has happened Mark. The first was when you sent 2 goons to my Morinomiya Apartment at 2pm on Feb 15th 2004.
What are you trying to do? Must you continue to threaten and scare your 'ex-customer/s' such that they never tell the truth about your activities?
The strangest thing about a black, new, tinted Osaka Plate Mercedes Benz being on a tiny, narrow Kobe street is why, and who would send it to such a place."
His extreme paranoia here on the next page from the one mentioned above:
"p.s. where's my 2,600,000 yen? I've been waiting 2 and a half years, and put up with now two sendings of goons to encourage my silence.
If I'm found floating down the Yodogawa, everyone that I know and trust know that there's only one person who wants me silenced.
You. Just you. Mark John Smith of Smiths School of English Japan."
But they are all lies.
Some say Mark Smith quit school at the age of 13 and all his credentials are a lie. But that is another point of slandering from Bearcat and I. Look at the last page for proof.
aacircle.com.au/forums/f2/smith-s-school-english-japan-3434/index15.html
"Smith's School of English in Japan - thread now closed
This thread has been discussed at length and the quality of information / facts presented can no longer be held as the truth.
We are sorry to report that several posters in this thread have made multiple false statements against Smith's School of English. In a face to face meeting with Smith's School of English, indisputable documentary evidence spanning over 30 years of history has been provided. Those documents have never been made public until this meeting and prove emphatically that the biography of Mr Mark Smith as stated on the Smith's website is true in every detail. Education, business experience and family facts as stated on Smith's site are all true and correct. His biography may be seen at Smiths School of English Head Office Team.
On this site and others, false witness against Smith and his school has been made. It is now very clear these are merely lies and nothing more.
This persistent and scurrilous attack on Smith and his school by these few people on this website and others is unprecedented within the English teaching business. I trust we never see another as bad as this. The whole idea of an ESL Blacklist is to warn future teachers of scam schools and not to lower the reputation of an English school that tries hard to do the right thing.
I wish further to inform that although Smith has been angered and embarrassed by these attacks, he has conducted his dealings with AAC in an understanding, honourable and business like manner. In closing we wish to compliment Smith's School of English on the campaign to have the lies told about Smith's exposed, we regret that AAC was chosen as a platform for this attack on Smith.
This thread is now closed.
Thank you."
As you can see this verifies the integrity of Mark Smith and that he is a truthful man.
Due to jealousy and,personal scores to settle, as well as mental illness people such as myself, Bearcat, Smithwatch, and others have made false accusations against Smith and Bearcat, Smithwatch, and I are trying to do the right thing in our actions by removing the site with these lies.
We had a false report of scores and scores of people losing their shirts to Mark Smith in the famouns "revolving door" scam. But this was a big lie built on names we randomly pulled out of the NYC white pages. As proof you can check and verify that every one of those names can be found there.
Other ridiculous lies against Mark Smith:
He as been married 5 times and has 12 illegitimate children.
The main office is a front for smuggling weapons and narcotics.
Connections to Sokka Gakkai
Involvement in prostitution
And many others.
We are happy to report that the main source of false information toward Mark Smith is successfully undergoing treatment with Zyprexa and is doing well.

[Charles Barkley]

That is one of the strangest posts I have ever read...

ETA: Wow, nuttier and nuttier. If anyone has the time to kill, try doing a search for Smith's English School on google and looking at how the discussions on different message boards devolve into the guy who just posted above making weirder and weirder comments whenever anyone says anything bad about the franchising system.

Such an obvious scam going on there. It looks like some guileless people could pretty easily be taken for a lot of money by purchasing one of those franchises. How is this guy still allowed to operate?

[Bearcat]

No,

This is the same nut who has had tons of aliases removed on Gaijinpot, usingenglish.com, and other websites trying to imitate myself or the other contributors of the Smithwatch website.

I can give contact information for GP and usingenglish mod/owner for confirmation of this, though you can see one of their deleted aliases quoted in a post of someone else in this thread on GP:

www(dot)gaijinpot(dot)com/bb/showthread(dot)php?t=16533

Their alias was smith_watch and quoted in the post by the person known as The Price on that page.
You can also see their having been deleted for similar doppleganger posting on usingenglish's site comments here at the bottom of the page:

www(dot)usingenglish(dot)com/profiles/tdol/archives/000377(dot)html

On there, the guy was posting from kanagawa who tried not once but twice to pretend he was affiliated with the Smithwatch site.

And here on the TEFL Black list site you can also see they've had comments deleted over the years too:

teflblacklist(dot)blogspot(dot)com/2006/05/smiths-school-of-english-japan(dot)html

By the way. Smith has won the last two years running for Worst Franchise in the site's Black List Oscars. Only award I know of Smith has won :p

As for the Smithwatch site being down:

The Smithwatch website uses php related code and would get daily spam bot attacks trying to use exploits in php to take over the site for sending out spam mail. The guys who maintain the tech side of the site have managed to keep the spambotters filtered from causing problems since the site came up in 2005 with no problems.

According to the tech I spoke with for the site last week, an exploit got through and managed to send out 4TB of spam in the first 24 hours prompting (of course) for them to shut it down. The spam botter has nothing to do with Smith either. Smith and his cronies aren't that smart. :P

So the techs just have to go through and scrub the malicious code from the site. Its simple yet tedious enough. The issue at the moment is that the techs maintain the site for free and as a favor so it is in their spare time that they can get to it.

I and the others who have helped make that site aren't worried. The site and the reputation over the years have spoken for themselves with regards to Smith's schemes.
They have had, since the site went up in 2005, less people suckered into franchises, less schools with less people involved with said schools and thus more people who have left his "proven system".

[nanosmith]

HEY BEARCAT!
What's up with you? Have you changed your mind again about Smith? I thought you, me, Smitwatch, and the rest of the nano crew decided to ditch our efforts. It almost ruined your marriage, remember? I have gotten on with it and you need to stop this reckless behavior. We were all nuts. I don't know the exact number of people who lost money to Smith's but it's far far less than what was revealed in the 'revolving door' report. And none of us (the nano crew) had any dealings with Smith at all. It's crazy. We all met for beers at the Izakaya for an important meeting and decided to end our campaign of hate towards this wonderful organization.
What's this PSP jargon? It's simple that I used my password to delete the nano account and I can guarantee it will not come up.
The smith_watch is not the real Smithwatch. Now I need to know are you the real Bearcat or that guy from Germany pretending to be?

[Bearcat]

See, got yourself banned here too.

[bioteq]

I find this absolutely amazing that someone is actually claiming, not only a 'nano crew', but that they 'own' the website.

I'm sorry to say this, but I, and me alone, own the domain and server that the smithwatch site is hosted on. I am also the 'tech' that the others have spoken to about the website.

No, it is not deleted. Yes, it is down.

Yes, a php exploit caused by the backend PHP system was breached and caused massive amounts of spam to be sent out. No, the website was not deleted.

There is no "nanocrew" (where the heck did that term come from?)

And no, I am not affiliated with 'smithwatch' or anything like that; I am just doing a favor to a friend and hosting his site. But I do find it quite funny that someone is claiming to be 'me' here and I have nothing to do with any of this. Considering I truly, and honestly, don't really care about this whole problem since I am not affiliated with it at all.

When I get some free time, I will re-instate the site and I will let the owner of the subdomain (smithwatch) itself know. He will let you all know, in turn, when the site has been returned to its original status.

Good Day,
Mike.

[Mycernius]

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