~i ?? what verb form is this?

[eien23]

As part of my studies I am trying to go through Japanese songs I like and figure out what they really mean.

I am having a bit of trouble with this quote:

"kaze ni matagi tsuki e nobori" and "fui ni ware ni kaeri kurari"

Basically, my problem is this; I am familiar with the verb kaeru(to return, go home, etc.) for example, but I have no idea what form "kaeri" is of this verb.

[NANGI]

Konnichiwa Eien23-san!
Welcome and Hajimemashite. Please enjoy the forum! :wave:

I am familiar with the verb kaeru(to return, go home, etc.) for example, but I have no idea what form "kaeri" is of this verb.
Usually, "verb + ri" has another verb at the end of sentence.
An instance, "Ie ni Kaeri, Syokuji wo suru". It means "I will go home and take a dinner". This sentence have two verbs "Kaeru:go" and "suru:take".

NANGI

[eien23]

Konnichiwa! Thanks Nangi. I'm sure I will enjoy this awesome forum!

So, are you saying that the -ri form is used kind of like how the -te form is used in lists?

(as in i could replace all the -te forms here with -ri forms and it would mean the same?)
僕の友と会って、家に帰って、しょくじをする。
　　　　　　　　　　

[Elizabeth]

Konnichiwa! Thanks Nangi. I'm sure I will enjoy this awesome forum!

So, are you saying that the -ri form is used kind of like how the -te form is used in lists?

(as in i could replace all the -te forms here with -ri forms and it would mean the same?)
僕の友と会って、家に帰って、しょくじをする。
　　　　　　　　　　
Not exactly....do you have a textbook for grammar, verb chart or kanji dictionary, by the way ? These questions are pretty easily answered with any standard reference materials, or of course a basic search of the JREF database :=)

[eien23]

Not exactly....do you have a textbook for grammar, verb chart or kanji dictionary, by the way ? These questions are pretty easily answered with any standard reference materials, or of course a basic search of the JREF database :=)

I don't want to sound harsh or disrespectful, but I think if you aren't going to post an explanation or examples, maybe it would be better not to say anything.

To answer your question I DO have a grammer textbook and have searched countless verb charts (all of which didn't show the -i form because they didnt show bases, but the completed forms) and I do have a kanji dictionary. With those materials I do not understand the use of this form and that is why I posted. As for the JREF databse, I don't believe it gives a complete explanation, or at least I haven't found it.

The JREF grammer section says this:

Continuative form (連用形 ren'yōkei)
is used in a linking role. This is the most productive stem form, taking on a variety of endings and auxiliaries, and can even occur independently in a sense similar to the -te ending. This form is also used to negate adjectives.

All this tells me is that it has different endings, makes things negative, and is used like -te. I don't know what the different endings are, or how it negates things.

Also, my main question was how it is being used in the quotes I gave. The JREF grammer section said it can occur independently in a sense similar to the -te ending, but the -te ending by itself is used as a command, and I'm pretty sure the quotes I gave don't have commands in them.

Again I hope I didn't come off as angry :relief: , but I would appreciate a more detailed response.


[Edit - Elizabeth, I just read your response to my other thread and I just want to make it ultra clear that I am not angry, in fact I am extremely appreciative of you responses in that thread. :sorry: ]

[Glenn]

Continuative form (連用形 ren'yōkei)
is used in a linking role. This is the most productive stem form, taking on a variety of endings and auxiliaries, and can even occur independently in a sense similar to the -te ending. This form is also used to negate adjectives.

All this tells me is that it has different endings, makes things negative, and is used like -te. I don't know what the different endings are, or how it negates things.

It says that it's used to negate adjectives. This form is not used for negating verbs.

So, are you saying that the -ri form is used kind of like how the -te form is used in lists?

Yes. Also, from what I've read it's more formal and it shows less causation between V1 and V2 (or V1 and Vn, I guess) than the -て form.