Selfish Pigs

[Serpico]

Here is the truth...a few months after I got here I was on the Chiyoda line going home from work...I notice a lady who looked like she was sick...pale face, vacant eyes....head hanging low...when the train stopped she got up walked towards the door and as bad luck would have it...she collapsed in the middle of the doorway. As my Japanese is not good I initially thought it better if I allowed the other people to help but to my suprise, unlike in America...nobody helped and I allowed them about 10 seconds. I could see that if I did nothing then door was going to smash her and maybe drag her along and kill her. At least 20 of the robot nihonjin did nothing. I rushed over, pulled her off the train to safety. Just about that time the train platform staff came over. They saw me standing over this Japanese woman and took the time to give me an accusing look which said "what did you do to her, gaijin". I started to feel her head to see if she was feverish or cold and the guy slapped my hand away as if to say, "get you hands off of her you dirty gaijin". But I was only trying to help. He then demanded that I get back on the train even though actually i was still concerned about the lady and wanted to go with her to the hospital out of compassion for my fellow man, but I think that the Japanese do not understand human compassion but are instead often hollow people who have no inner sense of decency.
Another time on the Chuo/Sobu line near Yoyogi, I got on the train with my ex-girlfriend. It was crowded but I noticed a big opening in the middle. I looked further and saw that there was a woman laying on the floor in what appeared to be a seizure. It was a shocking view because this ladies foot was turned up behind her and near her ear. Again these savage robots were doing nothing but looking. I pushed the robotic shells aside and since Im not a doctor I thought the least I could do would be to straighten her leg. Low and behold something about moving her leg seemed to pull her out of the seizure and she sprang ot life. She thanked me and got off the train at Yoyogi. The Japanese on the train just hung their heads in shame. And I said to my girlfirend, as loud as I could " yeah, well if she was going to have to wait for a Japanese to help her then, she would be waiting a loooooooong time"

She of course secretly but obviously got pissed off at me because admitting the truth is harder than doing pretending it isnt. she was so bigotted and brainwashed into believing that Japanese are superior and wonderful that she would prefer to never have to look at me than to ignore it and go on living in her little Japanese fantasy world. We didnt break up right away but a few months later but it was the beginning of the end. "How dare you show up the Japanese youuuuuuuuuuuuuu gaijin!!!!" was the impression I got.



Another time i was coming home on the train from Ueno and I had just purchased some candy to give away to my students. On the train I happened to be standing in front of a little girl who appeared to but an upper elementary school student. She was wearing glasses but behind the glasses I could see that she was thinking hard about something. Then slowly tears started to well up in her eyes even though she was trying to push them back. Maybe somebody had said something mean to her or something, I have no idea what she was thinking about. But I wanted to take her mind of it so I said something like "what time is it?" she tried to answer in English and I praised her and said "wow, you speak English, good job" "how old are you?"

She said "11" I said I thought she looked 12. She smiled really big and said "really?"

I asked her where she lived and she said "Moto-yawata" or someing. To be honest i cant remeber exactly where she said. I then said, hey I have present for you and I opened the big bag of candy. and gave her some. She refused politely but I said "no,no you take it" she said in lovely English thank you, and smiled. She was happy. I got off at my stop and said good bye but before that I couldnt help noticing the glares of suspicion and men pointing and saying something about me. I could see that the jealousy that they were feeling (because they would have never

had the decency to do such a thing) manifest itself in many ways. But ill never forget the one piece of **** Japanese mumbled to the other piece of **** Japanese something about "nanpa"

Can you believe that? Here I was only trying ot do something good, and they projected their own perverse ideas onto me. When in reality that it is the Japanese men who are pedophiles. The proof is all of the porn you see in the convenience store depicting under age girls in school girl uniforms. These Japanese guys are sick and I really wish most Americans knew it then they would stop buying Japanese cars and propping up this economy by coddling the Japanese with an unfair trade relationship.

But I want to thank Japan for giving me lots of material for my book. I dont even have to do too much research. Just living my life here is giving me tons of material which would shock most Americans into changing their buying patterns

[Mike Cash]

I have several similar experiences with being the only person to stop and help a Japanese stranger, while their fellow Japanese either go out of their way to avoid them or practially step right over them and continue on their way. If there is another group of people on earth better at making others question the basic goodness of human nature than the Japanese, I hope I never meet them.

[lexico]

I can only say that you did the right thing, and hope you find some redeeming quality during your stay there.
Who in their right mind wouldn't do what you have done, even if they had to take a deep breath to break out of the timid self ?
I was in different countires before, and comparing several, your experience is the lowest I can even imagine.
I'd say to hell with them, heartless pigs, and do go on with you good deeds as you can afford.
And there's gotta be at least 10 good men in your city lest the whole island sinks into the sea. :-)

[Iron Chef]

Serpico, you raise some interesting points but like I said in the PM I sent you... you need to lose that chip on your shoulder... You ain't the first foreigner to get a raw deal in Japan and you won't be the last. My advice is to learn to deal with it and move on. Trust me, you'll enjoy yourself a whole lot more if you focus on the positives without dwelling on the negatives. Stop making so many base generalizations and quick assumptions re: the nature of the Japanese people and you might find out they aren't half as bad as you'd like to think they are.

[Mike Cash]

How do you know his assumptions are quick? I have had similar experiences to his when it comes to Japanese disregard for fellow Japanese, and probably a greater number of them. I don't know how long a period of interaction Serpico is basing his assumptions on, but I can assure you my assumptions aren't quick.....and they don't fall very far from his on at least some of the points he made.

[Serpico]

Here is what happens a lot of times. You get some of these guys who lived a miserable life in their own country, maybe they were rejects. They come to Japan and they want to believe that this place is paradise. These folks are normally men. They are what we call Charisma men, or Japanophiles. These guys don't want Japan to change, not even a little bit. Because if it changes, then it won't be the place where they lost their virginity.

Sadly, these people get positions as moderators. They, then, proceed to edit and censor posts. They, like the KGB, want to control the information flow to society. They reckon, if you tell everybody the sky isn't blue, and edit any information to the contrary, then you, the reader, will eventually start to believe that the sky isn't blue.

I have been told directly not to post anything negative about Japan. My posts have been deleted. This is exactly the same method the KGB used. They censored and edited any and all positive information about the west, and they bombarded the people with pro-soviet propaganda.

As a result, this site is basically worthless because it does not at all give an accurate portrayal of the real Japan. What you are reading, is only what they want you to read. This site represents a carefully crafted piece of propaganda.

I will no longer post on this site. Even though I have received several compliments on my writing via PM's. I will go to another site I know about where the Japanophiles aren't controlling the information flow. Why should I bother adding content to this site when I can't, or presumably anyone can't, say what I want.

[Mycernius]

I did manage to read your other posts before they where removed. You did bring up some interesting points, but the way you put them across I found aggressive and very anti-japanese. You must like the country, as you have worked there for a number of years, and you must have had some positive experiences as well as bad ones. Just bad mouthing something will bring out the aggressiveness of other people and these threads could have developed into a slanging match of bad feelings. I'm sorry to see you go, but I feel if you were a little more restrained in your approach, you might not have met such a reaction from other people.

[Mike Cash]

In other words, true but negative firsthand accounts of Japan are not wanted because they may offend some of the rose-colored glasses "I love EVERYTHING!!!!! about Japan!!!!!(even though I've never been there)" crowd.

Don't the Koreans and Chinese have their own special Japan-bashing fora here? What's the deal? Nobody whose country wasn't invaded by the Imperial Japanese Army is allowed to express a negative opinion?

[lexico]

Perhaps serpico's title was bit on the strong side, but feeling shocked and indignant when one citizen chooses not to give a helping hand to a fellow citizen in dire danger, even possible death, is negative or wrong ?

edit: Doesn't Chiyoda line need more people like him ? Actually it was a foreigner who got killed trying to save a Japanese the other time. I remember he got a reward or thank you letter posthumously.

[Mike Cash]

"Selfish Pigs" is indeed a bit strong....but I assure you it is much milder than the terms I use when I find myself in those sorts of situations.

I remember the young man who lost his life in the incident your talking about. I believe he was a Korean, if my memory serves me correctly.

[lexico]

Thanks Mike, I don't know him personally, but serpico surely reminds me of him.

The point is, please don't go serpico. :wave:

[Serpico]

Serpico,

I'm PMing you rather than posting on the thread because I thought it might be deleted later, as you say.

As Japanese who have lived in this country, particularly in the Tokyo area for most of my life (I'm +50), I truly think many Japanese are rude on the trains and in the streets. I don't know whether it's the lack of traditional family education, parental discipline (yes, I mean what those rude adults were taught by their own parents), or stress on their jobs or lack thereof, but I have noticed this so very frequently in the past decade or so. I've heard about the girl who pushed the old lady who advised her to watch her manners and stop working on her makeup in the train and the old lady, lacking the agility of young people, seriously injured. YES, SO MANY OF THEM ARE SO RUDE!!

I honestly urge you to stick to doing your good deeds, no matter what they say. You're the right one! I truly wish that I had been there and talked back to the people who treated you so coldly. I'm sure the situation was seriously aggravated by the fact that you were gaijin and gave them an excuse for thinking and saying what they want.

Please don't forget that there are Japanese who'd be on your side. I'm sure that there had been people who understood what was going on. Unfortunately, they usually remain silent... (Yes, I think indifference is a sin, too...)

Sorry for my ramblings... But don't let those experiences undermine your Japanese experience. There are good folks, too!!

Anyway, good luck in your endeavors and hope you stay the good person you are!!

[RockLee]

Serpico, what you say is true...but don't forget this happens not only in Japan, and not EVERYWHERE in Japan.And not EVERY Japanese person is like this.That's where you are wrong in your thinking.I went to Hokkaido last xmasvacation and didn't have any bad experiences, people were friendly to me, and helped me when I needed something.I think in the Japanese society it's a bit normal to be selfish, the society is not easy to live in.In the future please think about the good also, and don't just rant about the bad !

[Iron Chef]

Before you all decide to jump to his defense and label me as the bad guy how about we revisit what Serpico posted in other threads before I decided to remove them. Here are a few choice excerpts...

"Do you think that Japanese men are such scumbags BECAUSE they have tiny d***s?

or

Or do they have such tiny d***s because they are such scumbags?

Let me elaborate...you know back home they used to have an old expression that says "the guy with the littlest d**k drives the biggest truck".

Using this line of thinking we can follow logically that the Japanese men must have a complex about the laughable size of their d***s. Therefore, they compensate by gang raping women.

They cannot empathize with the terrified woman because, number one, they are scumbag pieces of ****, and, number two, they don't possess the intellectual capacity for empathy which is an emotion/thought process possessed by human beings and not animals.

I suppose they also don't see themselves as pathetic because that too would require a higher level of rationalization not possessed by animals. Well, I take that back, apes can do it, dolphins, and to some extent, dogs, but not Japanese men. Of course we know by looking at history, that rape is something that Japanese men love to do, and have no shame about whatsoever.

One can only assume that had things happened differently and the Japanese had won the war in the Pacific, that American, Australian, and other women would have fallen prey to their rape and eventual murder.

Do you think that God, or the law of reciprocity, or karma or whatever you want to call it,cursedthe Japanese men with the worlds smallest d***s BECAUSE they are such sex perverts, pedophiles, and rapists.

Why dont I leave? Well, why didnt the African Americans go back to Africa? Well because they shouldnt be required to run away from racism. By the same token Im not going to run away from these little d**k, feeble minded, jealous, hateful, child abusing, human trafficking, lying, cowardly, Rape of Nanking denying, Pearl Harbor sneak attacking, no compassion for the homeless, American copycatting, thinking they are better than everybody when they are not, *****s. I shouldnt have to.

Remember as you are reading this that I am only one. There are millions of foreigners in Japan experiencing the same thing.

This is why I want to share with you just a few of the bad experiences I have had in Japan. I have taught English to a lot of people, I have bettered Japanese society, I have paid taxes, why should I have to turntail and run from a society full of narrow-minded biggots.

I thought, hey maybe Japan is changing and I didnt actually choose a unworthy group to teach english to.

OK Im going to say it now.... are you ready? The Japanese racist system was put into place by not cool, little d**k, ill mannered, unintelligent Japanese men who are ABSOLUTLEY TERRIFIED about losing all of their beauitiful women to foreigners. Just like there is war over any resource whether it be oil, spices, land..anything this war is about the most valuable resource Japan has...the women.

Its no secret that Japanese are the worst racists in the world and if you dont believe me just check on the forums on the internet.

In my next edition I will tell about how I nearly lost my good buddy Kenji because of a racist, piece of ****, boat captain."

And the list goes on... So, now let's look at the PM I sent him in response after moving his threads:

"You need to chill out with all the anti-Japanese sentiment. I haven't banned you yet because despite all your slander you do seem to have some valid points to argue. I suggest you learn how to better articulate arguing your point-of-view without resorting to childish name-calling and insult-slinging. If you persist, then you will be banned. Thanks for understanding. And remember... chill out, so you got a raw deal in Japan. Ain't the end of the world you know."

So I guess A) I'm doing a lousy job as a Moderator according to some who would interpret my actions as a censure Nazi. Nice.

"In other words, true but negative firsthand accounts of Japan are not wanted because they may offend some of the rose-colored glasses "I love EVERYTHING!!!!! about Japan!!!!!(even though I've never been there)" crowd."

Heh, thanks for your support Mikecash. Had he lost all the slanderous rhetoric and profanity in his intial posts then I wouldn't have moved them. So, after reading what he wrote (of course I edited them for re-post), are you telling me I am doing a crappy job as a Mod in my response to Serpico? I value your opinion, I would like to know. It's such a wonderful feeling to log in everyday, check for troublemakers, edit posts containing profanity, try to maintain an upbeat and positive vibe, only to have other people look down on me for doing my job. You know, I try to help this site as much as possible to make it a nice family-friendly place but if you and others think so lowly of me then by all means I will step down and let some one else do the baby-sitting. Just say the word. Bleh... why do I even bother...

[lexico]

I haven't seen this one; the language is hard to swallow.

[Mike Cash]

I don't believe I specifically commented on what sort of job any moderator is doing. I tried to view his other posts and noticed that the search returns didn't match his post total, so I knew that at least one post was missing somewhere. Not knowing the nature of its contents, I didn't comment on it. My comments in this thread in post #8 were in direct reply to Mycernius in post #7. I didn't quote the text because I was relatively sure when I posted that no other posts would come in between and my intent would be clear from positioning alone.

I agree that posts containing profanity, especially gratuitous profanity, have no place on a moderated forum such as JREF. Having said that, I freely admit to being a potty-mouth myself in unmoderated places, primarily usenet and real life.

The original post here raises some good points, and I don't mind the ranting tone, so long as they strike me as being true or at least plausibly believable. Based on numerous similar experiences in my own life, I have no trouble believing his anecdotes. And I know how very frustrating and maddening it is to watch "wareware nihonjin" studiously ignore fellow Japanese strangers who are obviously in need of a helping hand from somebody....anybody....and to be the only person who stops to render assistance, knowing all the while that quite a number of Japanese regard us with distrust or suspicion. The irony is palpable in those situations.

Here's me on usenet from April 24th of this year, regarding something similar:


These days I have to purposely restrict my exposure to things that
would serve to further inflate my negative opinion of the Japanese as
a group and try to limit myself to exposure to my immediate real-world
Japanese acquaintances so I can have daily reinforcement of the fact
that they're not ALL assholes.

A big part of the problem in my particular case is that 99% of the
time I have for observing the Japanese is when they are on their
absolute worst behavior (i.e. when they're driving). Some people might
contend that people are at their worst when they're drunk, since
alcohol removes many societal inhibitions. But while alcohol might
allow some people to reveal their mean, combative, irritating, or
otherwise asocial sides, it also gives us a fair proportion of happy,
friendly, and gregarious drunks. For the Japanese, gripping a steering
wheel releases far more inhibitions than gripping a bottle does, yet
doesn't lead to anyone acting in a more friendly or courteous manner
than they do when *not* under the influence of a steering wheel. So
taken all around, you'd be more likely to come away with a favorable
impression of the Japanese as a group if you spent 12 hours a day
surrounded by drunken Japanese strangers than if you spent 12 hours a
day surrounded by Japanese strangers at the wheel.

I relate a couple of anecdotes similar to Serpico's here: http://tinyurl.com/7z5ph
I won't cut and paste it since the bad language filter would fill it up with asterisks anyway. Those who are interested and not easily offended are free to click on the link and check it out.

@RockLee
The thing which Serpico talked about in his original post in this thread and which I talked about in the link I provided were not about how Japanese treat foreigners, nor even about how they treat fellow Japanese whom they know personally. The thing which is maddening and which can make it very hard to maintain a positive opinion is the way they treat Japanese strangers. It has been my experience that they are more likely to be kind to foreign strangers, perhaps for the same reason that people are kind to strange dogs, provided the dog doesn't look vicious.

[Serpico]

Thanks a lot Epigene. I appreciate your kind words. Also, the kind words from Mike and Lexico.

So, I am going to tell one more story which will get deleted, I am sure.

One night at about 10 p.m. I was walking down the shotengai towards a restaurant to get something to eat. I looked and saw this young woman, I'd say she was about 45 kilos, struggling with this massive suitcase towards the train station. It would have been quite easy for me to grab one end of it and help her or just do it myself and give the poor girl a break. Her family, her boyfriend were obviously not helping her. Furthermore, at least a dozen native Nihongo speakers past her by with cold indifference. This was quite a site, let me tell you because she was young and cute and really struggling. This would not last 30 seconds in my home area, I guarantee you. Guys would be fighting for the chance to help this lady just so they could have the good feeling of helping someone. The same would hold true if she were an old lady, an old man, a child, a black man, etc.

Well, as I have been living in Japan for 4 years I almost knew what would happen, but I couldn't stop myself, and it happened just about the way I thought it would.

I said "chotto tetsudaimasho ka".(Can I give you a little bit of help)?"

This woman looked at me with the look of suspicion that comes from years of negative, mind control, propaganda which made her certain that I was going to do something bad, or that my intentions were bad because of 3 factors.

1) Japanese men who want to preserve their monopoly over, and cruel dominance over Japanese women, have created a society which distrusts those gaijin men, particularly the ketou, which it sees as a threat.

2) She had been condition through the years, that when people offer help, their intentions are likely to be bad. Or, at least when the locals do it.

3) She is accustomed to bad treatment from men.

I said "can I help you?" but the look I got...you would have thought I had said, "I am a killer"

She shook her head a little bit and put her head down to keep struggling. It was remeniscant of the girls who are trying to politely evade the scumbags who try to pressure them into prostitution outside the train station 3 meters from the koban.

Anyway, i am not one of those scumbags and I did not want to scare her so I just walked away wishing I could help.

Well, low and behold, a Japanese man was walking our direction and he gave me the dirtiest, longest glare. I have been in Japan long enough to know what that look means. It means "stay the hell away from Japanese girls, gaijin, these are our property, ours to rape, capitalize on, intimidate and control".

You might be thinking perhaps he was concerned for her saftey and maybe he believes that gaijjin are bad. Well, this is not the case, it was just petty, possessive, jealousy. The reason I think so is because of several factors.

1) He did not offer to help her. After he gave me his jealous hate stare, he breezed on by her and left her to struggle.

2) He must read or watch the news and even the dumbest person can realize that there were no gaijin in Waseda University's SuperFree which committed the most atrocious crimes against women that I have ever seen in my life. He must know about the other gang rape, dog collar, and handcuff stuff that was all perpetrated by Nihonjin.

3) He must realize in his heart of hearts that the cult of lies told to him about gaijin were fed to him directly or indirectly through the centuries by the shogun who sought to control, and enslave him, and to make him fear his liberator. This is the oldest trick in the book. It is widely documented and believed that the reason that the Christians were killed and kicked out of Japan, just before the period of isolation, were kicked out because the shogun wanted to maintain 100% control over the people and didn't want anybody coming in here telling the people that they were actually slaves.
By the same token the Japanese would like to kick us out for the same reason. We are the only threat to their control. But they have to let us in because they need us so that they can "catch up" to the West.

We all have seen the so-so average Japanese guy with the outrageously gorgeous Japanese girl. Do you think he is unaware of that? Do you think he wants to give that up? Of course he doesn't? This is in the collective conscious of Japanese men as a whole. Most of the ones I have seen would be very lucky to get a date in another country. Do you think they are unaware? Of course not. And THIS reason, I am convinced, is the reason Japan has shunned foreigners because the only threat to their monopoly is foreigners. It is the reason for the racism, the exaggeration of foreign crimes, relatively tight immigration laws, the constant need to control the foreigners every movement, the staring, etc...

Let me ask you....if you were at a high school Sophmore party full of gorgeous sophmore chics, what would you do when the Seniors started walking into the party? What I would do is try to be a nicer guy and cooler. But the Japanese response is to bolt the door shut. And then when a few filter in, start spreading lies about them. Oh I forgot, in this analogy, before the seniors showed up, you were treating the women like crap and making them kiss your ass, and blowing smoke in their face, and telling them they are ugly just so they don't get any fancy ideas about looking elsewhere.

Yes, Freud is alive and well here in Japan.


If I would have had my way, in the struggling woman with a suitcase case, there would have been two winners, here for getting some help, and me for the good feeling of helping someone. But, since the jealous, petty Japanese guy got his way, there were 3 losers.

[Mike Cash]

Perhaps we could institute an "Impassioned Irrational Rant" subforum for the times we feel the need to vent our spleens?

And one more little thing.....How appropriate is it to openly post the contents of private communications? If the other party to the communication consents, there's no problem, of course.

[ArmandV]

You will find a lot of people, no matter what nationality, would not render aid in the train situations mentioned. A lot of it is "don't want to get involved-ism" and some actually (if administering CPR) are fearful of contracting a disease. But most of what you described is pretty heartless. Fortunately, in my trips to Japan, I never witnessed such behavior.

[Serpico]

What Mr. Iron Chef has done is exactly what I said he would do and he cut and repasted my posts in the least flattering light. Just like a censor.
My posts were in response to what I see as unchecked crimes against women.
If you could read my original posts, you could see that. He completley distorted it.

If he was worried about the profanity all he would have had to do is ***** .

Furthermore, this is not a childrens site, and it is time for some honesty.

Mr. Iron Chef I need to clue you in that "slander" is spoken. "Libel" is the word you are looking for. Either way, the thing that you deem as slander are just simply, things you don't like.

Furthermore, for something to fit the definition of slander, or libel, it has to be a lie. I have told no lies.

If Shintaro Ishihara can publicly refer to me and other foreigners as "hairy foreigners" then surely, I should be allowed to tell my story without worrying about being censored.

[Mike Cash]

Sure, you could find people of any nationality and in any nation who would not render aid in such situations. I think we all know and realize that.

There are two problems, though.

1. We live in Japan (some of us do, anyway) so that is the focus of our remarks.

2. Anecdotal accounts of Japanese offering assistance to fellow Japanese strangers are, so far as I can tell, nonexistant.

[lexico]

Perhaps we could institute an "Impassioned Irrational Rant" subforum for the times we feel the need to vent our spleens?Well not exactly "Impassioned Irrational Rant" subforum, but a simple "Bummer & Rant (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15616&page=5&pp=25&highlight=bummer)" thread. Would it be too weak to hold the colorful language that we all need sometimes ? :clap:

[ArmandV]

Sure, you could find people of any nationality and in any nation who would not render aid in such situations. I think we all know and realize that.

There are two problems, though.

1. We live in Japan (some of us do, anyway) so that is the focus of our remarks.

2. Anecdotal accounts of Japanese offering assistance to fellow Japanese strangers are, so far as I can tell, nonexistant.

The reasons I mentioned cross national borders, which would include Japan.

Another thought though, a lot of people in the U.S. (just an example) have rendered aid and found themselves getting sued later. Naturally that would cause a chilling effect on people. That's why many states have adopted "Good Samaritan" laws to protect people who render aid in emergencies.

So the question is/are, are Japanese as litigation crazy as some here in the U.S. in similar situations? Are there similar "Good Samaritan" laws in Japan?

[Mike Cash]

There would have to be Good Samaritans before anyone would notice the need for legislation to protect them.

But, no, they're not as litigious as Americans tend to be. The glacial pace of the court system tends to put a damper on the filing of suits.

[deadhippo]

theres this homeless gut in yokohama
if you live in yokohama you have surely seen him
hes pretty dirty
hes short and has dark skin either from the dirt or from the sun...or both
his hair seems to be in dreads but really its just matted form the dirt
but his most distinguishing feature until recently was the fact that there was no arse in his pants

one day this middle aged lady was describing this man to me and i had seen him many times so quickly i let her know that i was aware of the man about whom she was speaking
i gave him a pair of pants, she said
actually i told her i had been thinking about giving him a pair of my pants as he was a similar height to me
she told me she bought him a new pair of pants and then searched yokohama for him

my point is dont lump all japanese people in the same category
doing this may make people think you are an ignorant naive racist

just to be clear i dont think that way
i think you are just angry at others insensitivity and hurt becuase you feel wronged
ive been living here for a few years so i have come across this situation a few times myself so i understand the anger you feel
and ive been dumped so i understand that kind of pain

but honestly, get real
you insulted your girlfriend, her family, her friends, her country
and you accused her of feeling superior but read your own post
whos feeling superior there

just something tho think about

[Elizabeth]

Sure, you could find people of any nationality and in any nation who would not render aid in such situations. I think we all know and realize that.

There are two problems, though.

1. We live in Japan (some of us do, anyway) so that is the focus of our remarks.

2. Anecdotal accounts of Japanese offering assistance to fellow Japanese strangers are, so far as I can tell, nonexistant.
If possible, most seem to seek out the police as a first resort, such as in this story. Although it isn't clear whether anyone at the stop or on the bus tried to be of practical assistance or not.

私は、一度だけ救急車で病院にいったことがあります。 　バス停で、バスを待っていたとき、バスが跳ねた石が 私の手首に直撃したんです。すごく痛かったんですが我 慢してバスに乗ったら、見る見るうちに腫れてきて、バ スを降りてからおまわりさんに、近くに病院が無いか聞 いたら、手首を見てかなり腫れていたので、救急車を呼 んでくれました。その時、救急車の代金を心配したら、 おまわりさんに「救急車は、無料ですよ。」といわれて 安心しました。結局、骨には異常が無く大事にはいたり ませんでした。アメリカの医療費が高いのは困りますね 。　

[mad pierrot]

How do I miss these great threads when they're really bangin?

:biggrin:

I once saw a girl get pushed over in Osaka station and then get helped back up by strangers. Does that count?

[Serpico]

I did not get dumped. I wasn't even in love with her. She was a good person but fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I am not bitter about that, as you seem to be saying. She was at about 10 girls and 4 relationships ago. I merely mentioned her because of her attitude. If the situation were reversed and she had said something that was true about my family, or my fellow countrymen, I certainly wouldn't break up over that. I just had to think a little bit to remember her name. It is her role in that particular experience that is important to the story. Don't try to psycho analyze me until you know the whole story. Don't read in things that are not there. If you think Japan is a perfect place, good for you. Go on living in your fantasy world. Leave the worlds problems for the grown ups.

There is a time and a place for everything. Including talking about cold-hearted people.

I realize that there are a lot of foreigners who also would have done nothing. And those are the self-serving, no integrity, wavering in the wind kind of people who usually become Japanopholes with their rose-colored fantasy glasses on. If you are too cowardly to address a problem and choose to sweep it under the rug, then you certainly wouldn't have the minimal human decency to help a needy stranger.

With your Yokohama story you seem to be saying that because this lady gave this guy some pants, it somehow proves that the Japanese are actually compassionate people. But this is a rare case and furthermore she probably got tired and embarassed about looking at his arse.

[Serpico]

In the case of the lady on the Chuo/Sobu line. The lady was there before and after I got on. Which means that they all had the opportunity to jump off the train and go for help but didn't. Nobody calling for help on their ketai either.

On the Chiyoda line case, it all happened pretty quickly so there was bo time for calling for help but only time for the minimal effort it took to pull this 50 kilo lady 2 meters to prevent her from being killed.

And absolutley nowhere in any of my posts did I say that no Nihonjin ever helped a stranger in the history of time. I just told my story.

[Mycernius]

If Shintaro Ishihara can publicly refer to me and other foreigners as "hairy foreigners" then surely, I should be allowed to tell my story without worrying about being censored.
I am a hairy foreigner. -Wookies Rule-
I agree you shouldn't be censored. You point of view is just as valid as the next mans. As I said the only problem I had with your posts was the way they were written. I felt as if you were shouting them at me and not even going to take in account of what other people thought. I do agree that Japan suffers from racism and the people do seem to have a hive mentality. It could have been put across better than the original posts.
I should also point out you are in a foreign country and the morals and society of other countries are different to your own.

[deadhippo]

did you even finish reading my post before you started your diatribe
i dont know why you think i think japan is a perfect place
maybe you should read the post again
and my point about the pants was that not all japanese are the same
but you are trying to say that my point about the pants was that all japanese (the Japanese) are compassionate and therefore all the same which is the opposite of the point i made

i wasnt trying to psychoanalyse you, but it doesnt take a psychoanalyst to see that you are angry

and whatever if you got dumped or didnt get dumped
really it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things as you say

but here you are with your superior attitude saying that a whole race (and/or nationality) is inferior to you, in matters of the heart (and by this i dont just mean love) it seems
yet you are here saying that your ex-girlfriend is fairly insignificant
and you seem to be going through girls like toilet paper and you want us all to believe you are warm and compassionate just because you did something that is common decency from where i come from

and you try to convey me as immature?

as i said in the previous post ive been here for a while and i ve seen the same **** so i understand your anger but i find it hard to believe that a mature person would judge a whole race/country so quickly

anyway, im not going to argue the point
if you want to believe that all japanese are cold-hearted people go ahead
its your choice but if you are as mature as you claim to be im sure youll give it some more thought

(btw - she could very well have been embarassed by the mans arse, I might never know)
but another yokohama story b4 i go
i read this article a while back so i dont remember the details very well
but there was a man who had recently retired and he had some money and as he was still a young healthy (70 year old ) man he wanted to keep working
he lived by himself in a big (japan standards) house
he decided to help the homeless people of yokohama and some of them moved in and some of them cleaned up their act and he helped them get jobs
others of course opted out and a few occasionally opted back in etc. etc.
of course id ont know his motives but i like to believe his motives were compassion for his fellow man
just like i want to believe yours were compassion
but i may be wrong,
and it wouldnt be the first time

[Ma Cherie]

Judging from the title of this thread you must've been angry when you wrote this. I agree with Mycernius, the way you wrote it seemed like you were being anti-japanese or something. I'm not saying you are, if I were in your position I would have been just as angry. You made some points about japanese society and the only thing I want to say is the only way for that society to change is if they acknowladge what's wrong.

[RockLee]

There are so many foreign people who go to Japan to just take advantage of the girls, and you try to tell me that Japanese men are all pigs??I think you are the one with the rose glasses.


Its no secret that Japanese are the worst racists in the world and if you dont believe me just check on the forums on the internet.Got any prove to back that up ? I'm sure there are more racists in America then Japan ;-)

If u live in Japan and think it's oh so bad, then why don't you just leave ? I hate people who visit/live in another country and talk bad about it all the time.If u don't like the way things are, go back to your own country, where everyone loves u and helps u ! (like if...)

I'm with Iron Chef on the fact this kind of speech is not approriate on this forum.This is a forum for anything Japanese, also negative things, but not in the way you present them to us.Having an opinion is ok, telling your stories too.But ranting and badmouthing every Japanese thing/person goes too far !! I bet u haven't been in other places in Japan nor other places in the world like India for instance, where people are treated like **** by their own people.

There is so much discrimination,hate,rape,crime etc. in America on daily basis.But nooooo..that's taboo for the Americans, let's not talk about that right? :okashii: My guess is that you are an American (as they are known to rant about just every goddamn thing) whoops...was that generalizing ? my bad :hihi: btw: Japan is one of the safest countries with a low crime rate...and YOU are telling us Japan is bad :?

I'd rather live in a safe, nice country with Japanese people of wich some are selfish than a country where every second u can get killed by a junk,psycho or whatever...

[Mycernius]

This thread is going the way I thought it would, people are starting to badmouth other people. Mind you a lot of people are looking at this thread. If you wanted to create controversy Serpico, I say you have succeeded.
BTW do you have anything positive to say about Japan and its people?

[RockLee]

This thread is going the way I thought it would, people are starting to badmouth other people. Mind you a lot of people are looking at this thread. If you wanted to create controversy Serpico, I say you have succeeded.
BTW do you have anything positive to say about Japan and its people?
His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )

[Brooker]

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )

You shouldn't just assume that. Even if you're right, the assumption is a little insulting.

@Serpico....
I commend you for taking the time to help people who needed it, however, I don't like your attitude. You have approached the people on this forum in a contemptuous and confrontational way. I have had no dealings with you. But when you make it seem that you view all Moderators here as your enemy, you can see how that's not going to help you make many friends here. Moderators are not the enemy. Our job is to make this place good for everyone. Your personal attacks on members have no place here. When you insult other people, expect it to be deleted. You may have some points, but you need to learn to communicate them in a way that isn't hostile to others. The reactions you've gotten from Moderators here isn't because they were trying to be the "thought police" but rather because you brought it upon yourself through your confrontational and unacceptable behavior. Clean up your act and you will find this a very open minded, respectful, and courteous place. Continue to use profanity and attack other members and you will no longer be welcomed here.

[Elizabeth]

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )
Opinions count for so little in this regard, particularly for foreigners with little if any years spent living around the country, it's hardly worth responding to anymore. But as long as we're on the subject, it is my sense that Europeans on this forum criticize the US and Japan much more than countries....what does that prove ? Anyone is welcome to analyze the data if they want. Although this really has has been gone over so many times before....:bluush:

[kirei_na_me]

You shouldn't just assume that. Even if you're right, the assumption is a little insulting.

I'm with Brooker on this one. You are always a little too quick to jump on "Americans". It does come off as insulting.

[lexico]

The thing which Serpico talked about in his original post in this thread and which I talked about in the link I provided were not about how Japanese treat foreigners, nor even about how they treat fellow Japanese whom they know personally. The thing which is maddening and which can make it very hard to maintain a positive opinion is the way they treat Japanese strangers. It has been my experience that they are more likely to be kind to foreign strangers, perhaps for the same reason that people are kind to strange dogs, provided the dog doesn't look vicious. This a great rewording of serpico's so why don't we pick it up from here ?

1. people and dogs
Strange dogs are often stray dogs, lost, hungry, or both. The dog looks into your eyes and finding compassion is attracted to you for a little love and maybe a meal, or just even a pat on the head. Whereas one's own dog could be a high-bred mutt after the familiarity. Just goes to show how we mistreat ourselves.

2. Japanese & Americans
I believe true friendship between a Japanese and an American can often get distorted by the bigger relationship of loser-winner. The inferiority stemming from defeat is taken as hurtful by the Japanese, and hatred is one way of balancing out the imagined inequality.

3. people & people
A feeling of weakness can exhibit itself in hyper-independence as a counterweight or cover. So perhaps a Japanese may want to solve all personal problems on one's own; not asking, not giving. Lonely world, isn't it ?

[lexico]

Come on, let's not all get nationalistic, look who's talking ?!?
Who's my favorite US president ? Kennedy was inspiring.
Who's my second best ? Carter for human rights.
Who's next ? ???
I hope that makes some of you feel better. :?
Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)

[kirei_na_me]

Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)

Yes, they are. Definitely.

[DoctorP]

Come on, let's not all get nationalistic, look who's talking ?!?
Who's my favorite US president ? Kennedy was inspiring.
Who's my second best ? Carter for human rights.
Who's next ? ???
I hope that makes some of you feel better. :?
Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)


Not to take this off topic, but a lot of people didn't like Carter when he was in office, but afterward his popularity grew!

[RockLee]

Opinions count for so little in this regard, particularly for foreigners with little if any years spent living around the country, it's hardly worth responding to anymore. But as long as we're on the subject, it is my sense that Europeans on this forum criticize the US and Japan much more than countries....what does that prove ? Anyone is welcome to analyze the data if they want. Although this really has has been gone over so many times before....:bluush:
Oh I was in the impression that it's mostly the Americans who take that for their account(as more than 80% is American on this board and obviously in the majority)...I have no personal grudge against America whatsoever, I neither shouldn't have any, as I know a great deal of Americans on this forum who I see as friends :) But the fact is that it's in most of the cases an American who starts ranting about Japan.Remember that guy with his drugs last year ?? It's either Chinese(lately a lot),Koreans(I know at least 1 :p...don't feel offended Lexico ^.^, not talking about you) or Americans in the time I have been on this board who ranted or badmouthed Japanese, and Americans are the biggest group...(Except Maciamo perhaps...but he also says good things and he thinks about what he says before he makes a rant/remark) I hardly see any Europeans complaining ? :? It's not that I want to say every American is this way (by far !!)...but I can't help it if this is the case that it's mostly an American.


I'm with Brooker on this one. You are always a little too quick to jump on "Americans". It does come off as insulting.
I try to remain neutral, but if it's how I think about it..and it's the way it is.If Japan would be to blame , I would say so too.And why is it that if I say something about America every American thinks I'm prejudiced? If it's true, you should accept it, even if you don't like it.You should be able to take criticism against your country.

I was ranting more directly against Serpico because he thinks Japan is all that bad, and he is so much more human,mannered,smart etc. When he talks about Japan you people say it's not correct, but when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting

[Elizabeth]

3. people & people
A feeling of weakness can exhibit itself in hyper-independence as a counterweight or cover. So perhaps a Japanese may want to solve all personal problems on one's own; not asking, not giving. Lonely world, isn't it ?
If this were a problem to be solved it wouldn't be one, everyone would be extremely methodical, organized, consultative, planful....the rub here is that emergency situations require immediate action, someone to call out orders and may possibly result in social embarrassment. :bluush:

[Brooker]

when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting

The offensive part comes from the fact that nothing being discussed here has anything to do with America and you just randomly assumed that this guy must be American just because he was being annoying. You don't see how that might be offensive to other Americans?

That would be like saying you saw a bad driver and assumed he/she was Asian because so many of the bad drivers you've seen were Asian. There's no double standard. You were making a guess and a very broad generalization when there's really no evidence for or against it either way. I don't think you'd like it if every time someone did/said something stupid people just assumed he/she was from your country.

[kirei_na_me]

That was the first comment I made in this thread. I didn't say anything about what serpico had said, and I hardly ever say anything about what anyone has said on here. I try to be diplomatic about things, but it just seems that you are always very quick to jump on Americans. You assume he's from the U.S. just because he's complaining about something, which I think is a little hasty.

And as for criticism, I don't mind the country being critcized. In fact, I'm usually the first to criticize it and say that I'd rather be living in Europe. I just have a problem with the manner in which you convey your thoughts. It just sounds very condescending.

Anyway...on with the show...

[Elizabeth]

I was ranting more directly against Serpico because he thinks Japan is all that bad, and he is so much more human,mannered,smart etc. When he talks about Japan you people say it's not correct, but when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting
Rocklee, If you have lived in America over an extended period and can describe your experiences in vivid detail as Serpico did without being a rant, then you would be taken seriously. When your only examples are a handful Americans from an internet forum who may or may not criticize out of proportion to their numbers here....well, let's just say it comes off as much more ridiculous. :sorry:

[RockLee]

The offensive part comes from the fact that nothing being discussed here has anything to do with America and you just randomly assumed that this guy must be American just because he was being annoying. You don't see how that might be offensive to other Americans?

I'm doing the same thing as this "loud mouthed jerk".Now position yourself in the shoes of a Japanese person getting hammered by a foreigner who basicly knows nothing about the country, calls him a lozer with a small **** , only sees the bad things and thinks he is omnipotent and superior to the Japanese.He should know that it's the same **** back in the good old U.S of A or any other country.My assumption is also based on the fact it's usually an American who starts this kind of rant.Did I ever say anything bad about Americans in my posts ?? No I did not.I only made a generalization that it's mostly an American, and I told you before I don't mean to insult Americans, nor call them loud mouthed jerks(never said anything like that anyway and didn't suggest that either).Just stated they are mostly the base of arguments.Nothing more...And like I told u, I was aiming at this clown...not the whole damn USA :/

[Dutch Baka]

wow..... this isnt going good here....

why cant people stop fighing about this kind of things... why do people always use BOXES... american this, japanese this, european this...

people,, take a beer( or wine), and relax a bit.... well at least i do! dont fight like this....

[RockLee]

Rocklee, If you have lived in America over an extended period and can describe your experiences in vivid detail as Serpico did without being a rant, then you would be taken seriously

Until now he didn't do anything else than ranting , I fail to understand your view on ranting I'm afraid. Even if he lived in Japan or any other place for an extended time, that still doesn't mean he knows every person or how things are throughout Japan does it?
So we should take him serious because he had a ****** time and the place isn't like he dreamed? that's rediculous !!

When your only examples are a handful Americans from an internet forum who may or may not criticize out of proportion to their numbers here....well, let's just say it comes off as much more ridiculous. :sorry:
Elizabeth, I never talked about the rest of America did I ? I talked about this board and it's members.I would appreciate if u would take me serious, because I am.

[Brooker]

Did I ever say anything bad about Americans in my posts ??

Yes, you said this.

My assumption is also based on the fact it's usually an American who starts this kind of rant.

Why are you making this an America issue when America has nothing to do with this?

I only made a generalization that it's mostly an American, and I told you before I don't mean to insult Americans,

I'm just informing you that being insulted is the natural reaction any American (or someone from any country you make such a statement about) is going to have to such a comment.

Try to think of how you'd feel if someone made such a general statement about your countrymen. We're getting on this guys case for making general statements about Japanese people and in the same thread you make a general statement about Americans. And I know you're not saying ALL Americans are this way, but that's like saying, "Yeah, most of them suck, but there's are a few good ones."

I'm not trying to come down on you. I'm just telling you that Americans (even "the good ones") are not going to appreciate such comments and it might be best to keep such observations to yourself to avoid giving offense.

[RockLee]

Why are you making this an America issue when America has nothing to do with this?indirectly it has to do with it.



I'm just informing you that being insulted is the natural reaction any American (or someone from any country you make such a statement about) is going to have to such a comment.

Try to think of how you'd feel if someone made such a general statement about your countrymen. We're getting on this guys case for making general statements about Japanese people and in the same thread you make a general statement about Americans. I was making a statement to this bozo.I would care less if someone insults my countrymen,as the whole country is getting more foreign anyways. ;-) I think this is what Japan tries to prevent, and I don't blame them.(not being racist here, by far :)...but I think there should be a limit to the amount of foreign people, as it makes a country unique)
I'm not trying to come down on you. I'm just telling you that Americans (even "the good ones") are not going to appreciate such comments and it might be best to keep such observations to yourself to avoid giving offense.So it's ok to attack Japanese things, insulting a moderator, insulting the whole Japanese population and getting away with it ?But it's bad to assume this guy is an American because he rants?

[Elizabeth]

Elizabeth, I never talked about the rest of America did I ? I talked about this board and it's members.I would appreciate if u would take me serious, because I am.
Well, it has progressed nicely from a "great deal" of the US population that bad mouthed other countries or cultures based on a few bad reps here (which may or may not be more than Europeans -- at least we seem to criticize ourselves first which is more than some other groups, but I digress again....). :relief:

[Ma Cherie]

This thread is getting way off topic. First and foremost, perhaps it's true that it's an American who's the first person complaining about Japan or any other country. And Rocklee, we of course know that he was ranting, but he was only doing it out of anger. At least that's what I believe. I guess we really need to be careful and clear about what we post.

[Brooker]

indirectly it has to do with it.


Only because you're assuming this guy is American. He might not be. Other than that, what we've discussed here has 0% to do with America. And what difference does it make where he's from?

So it's ok to attack Japanese things, insulting a moderator, insulting the whole Japanese population and getting away with it ?But it's bad to assume this guy is an American because he rants?

We will deal with him. I don't put much stock into what he says, but I expect better from you.

What if I said, "I met a guy who smelled like poo and figured he must be Belgian. I know that not all Belgians smell like poo, but I've met quite a few who did, so I just figure most people who smell like poo are Belgians." Offensive? Any course in logic will show the error in that reasoning.

[DoctorP]

First off, RockLee...if you keep with the name calling and foul language then this bickering back and forth will just continue.

Second...the original post seems to me as if Serpico was angry when he posted it. People tend to say/write things they wouldn't normally write when angry.

With that said, a few things drew my attention in that 1st post. Yes, Japanese are less likely to help a fellow citizen (or even a foreigner) when in need. I have witnessed this many times on different occasions. What is the reason for this? I'm not sure, maybe respect for personal space? I do know one thing, Americans are too meddlesome sometimes. We rush in and stick our noses in quite often when it is not needed. I think we do this because we seek praise. But I'm not sure. I'm not saying that these women shouldn't have been helped...I would have done the same things that Serpico did. However, I don't expect everyone to do the same things that I would do. I have training in such emergent matters. Many Japanese will simply not assist for fear of the unknown, or fear of making things worse. Which obviously could happen. Once again, this is just my opinion...I have no facts to back this up, only my experiences.

[RockLee]

And Rocklee, we of course know that he was ranting, but he was only doing it out of anger. At least that's what I believe. I guess we really need to be careful and clear about what we post.That doesn't give him an excuse to badmouth the whole population as rapists etc. does it?


Only because you're assuming this guy is American. He might not be. Other than that, what we've discussed here has 0% to do with America. And what difference does it make where he's from?Never said it had anything to do with America did i ? I said most of the time it's an American who rants. ;-) So, I didn't say ANYTHING bad about America.

We will deal with him. I don't put much stock into what he says, but I expect better from you.Iron Chef was nearly blamed for this guys badmouthing, so I decided to stick up for him, is that bad?

What if I said, "I met a guy who smelled like poo and figured he must be Belgian. I know that not all Belgians smell like poo, but I've met quite a few who did, so I just figure most people who smell like poo are Belgians." Offensive? Any course in logic will show the error in that reasoning.
I would laugh so hard and pee in my pants...:D it's so true !! But did you know Belgian is a loose term these days ? The population is getting more and more foreign, so if u would says Belgians stink, u would insult mostly Marrocean and Turkish people :p as they are a big percent of the population hehe

[Ma Cherie]

No it doesn't Rock, it doesn't give him the right to badmouth the whole population. But he was just posting this because he was angry. Hopefully in the end he will recant most of the things he said.

[Brooker]

I don't think Belgian people stink, I just wanted to come up with a goofy example.


I would laugh so hard and pee in my pants...:D it's so true !! But did you know Belgian is a loose term these days ? The population is getting more and more foreign, so if u would says Belgians stink, u would insult mostly Marrocean and Turkish people :p as they are a big percent of the population hehe

This is the way it is in every country. Being Belgian isn't becomming a "loose term" it's just that the definition of what it means to be Belgian is changing. In America, every person who has immigrated here has made this country what it is. Without immigrants there would be no America (at least not as we know it). So, for the most part (with the notable exception of "Native Americans" of course), to be American, is to be an immigrant. Years from now, those Moroccans and Turkish people who now seem like outsiders, will be just as Belgian as everyone else in Belgium.

My family comes from Europe. Does that mean I'm not really American? Of course not. If you think about it, most (not all of course) Americans are transplanted Europeans who left the mother land and formed a new culture. We're all the same brother. :p

[RockLee]

First off, RockLee...if you keep with the name calling and foul language then this bickering back and forth will just continue.

Second...the original post seems to me as if Serpico was angry when he posted it. People tend to say/write things they wouldn't normally write when angry.
I didn't use foul language nor did I did any name calling CC1...prove me wrong and I'll apologize.Now this guy Serpico on the other hand...



THIS POST WAS MADE BY IRON CHEF

Before you all decide to jump to his defense and label me as the bad guy how about we revisit what Serpico posted in other threads before I decided to remove them. Here are a few choice excerpts...

"Do you think that Japanese men are such scumbags BECAUSE they have tiny d***s?

or

Or do they have such tiny d***s because they are such scumbags?

Let me elaborate...you know back home they used to have an old expression that says "the guy with the littlest d**k drives the biggest truck".

Using this line of thinking we can follow logically that the Japanese men must have a complex about the laughable size of their d***s. Therefore, they compensate by gang raping women.

They cannot empathize with the terrified woman because, number one, they are scumbag pieces of ****, and, number two, they don't possess the intellectual capacity for empathy which is an emotion/thought process possessed by human beings and not animals.

I suppose they also don't see themselves as pathetic because that too would require a higher level of rationalization not possessed by animals. Well, I take that back, apes can do it, dolphins, and to some extent, dogs, but not Japanese men. Of course we know by looking at history, that rape is something that Japanese men love to do, and have no shame about whatsoever.

One can only assume that had things happened differently and the Japanese had won the war in the Pacific, that American, Australian, and other women would have fallen prey to their rape and eventual murder.

Do you think that God, or the law of reciprocity, or karma or whatever you want to call it,cursedthe Japanese men with the worlds smallest d***s BECAUSE they are such sex perverts, pedophiles, and rapists.

Why dont I leave? Well, why didnt the African Americans go back to Africa? Well because they shouldnt be required to run away from racism. By the same token Im not going to run away from these little d**k, feeble minded, jealous, hateful, child abusing, human trafficking, lying, cowardly, Rape of Nanking denying, Pearl Harbor sneak attacking, no compassion for the homeless, American copycatting, thinking they are better than everybody when they are not, *****s. I shouldnt have to.Am I feeling racism? I think so...Who blames who...tsk tsk.I can see in his post he is American...or is it just me?Else he wouldn't rant that much about them copying,attacking America..I could be wrong tho..

I thought, hey maybe Japan is changing and I didnt actually choose a unworthy group to teach english to.Unworhty? By what standard can u call people unworhty , it seems to me you are unworthy of being called a teacher ! :okashii:

OK Im going to say it now.... are you ready? The Japanese racist system was put into place by not cool, little d**k, ill mannered, unintelligent Japanese men who are ABSOLUTLEY TERRIFIED about losing all of their beauitiful women to foreigners. Just like there is war over any resource whether it be oil, spices, land..anything this war is about the most valuable resource Japan has...the women.Feeling jealous ? There are a lot of Japanese women married to foreigners...

Its no secret that Japanese are the worst racists in the world and if you dont believe me just check on the forums on the internet.Ho Ho...look who's talking , Mr I hate Japanese so much ! :okashii: Also he generalizes...and I'm not to be taken serious Elizabeth.. :?



BY IRON CHEF

You know, I try to help this site as much as possible to make it a nice family-friendly place but if you and others think so lowly of me then by all means I will step down and let some one else do the baby-sitting. Just say the word. Bleh... why do I even bother...And I appreciate your help !

[PopCulturePooka]

His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )
Hypocrite.

[Brooker]

I didn't use foul language nor did I did any name calling

Yeah, none that I noticed.


Am I feeling racism? I think so...Who blames who...tsk tsk.I can see in his post he is American...or is it just me?Else he wouldn't rant that much about them copying,attacking America..I could be wrong tho..

You just won't stop with the "he must be American" thing. Let it go! Let's deal with the individual, not deal with what country he's from.

[RockLee]

Hypocrite.
At one point, we all are mr Pooka...think about that ;-)

[RockLee]

You just won't stop with the "he must be American" thing. Let it go! Let's deal with the individual, not deal with what country he's from.I had to response to every post that was replied Brooker.It seems everybody is so easily offended...U should post a sticky saying , please rant, but don't involve us Americans :p (J/K) :)

[Mike Cash]

His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )

Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.

[RockLee]

Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.
Do Belgians spit in American people's eyes ? That's new to me :relief:
You don't mistake me for someone from Iraq do you :?

[PopCulturePooka]

Mr RockLee how would you react if I stated that this guy is really arrogant and condescending, therefore he is Belgian or German, as all Belgian and Germans are arrogant?
I would wager it would be a pithy comment with a neg point.
Fact of the matter is you DO use every oppurtunity to try and sink the boot into America and Americans, then justify your bleatings with the tired cry of racists/nationists everywhere 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!!!'. Its really tiring to be honest, you're a broken record as much as serpico is.

As it stands this idea of Americans as whiners and whingers is fairly Euro-centric. In Australia the popular stereotype is that the Brits and Europeans are the ones who whinge and rant about everything.

[Brooker]

Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.

It really makes me loose hope. Why even try to improve America's image in the world if, no matter what, we're all seen as being a bunch of @$$h0le$ no matter what we do. When I was in Japan, I did my best to be a good representation/ambassador of America. But my friends would just say, "Oh, you're the good American, but all of the others are bad." I give up! It doesn't do any good to be the exception to the rule. I'm just going to start being an @$$h0le if I'm just guilty until proven innocent anyways. But, you know what... I think it sucks. I'm tired of all the generalization and stereotyping. I'm tired of being guilty for other people's actions. Why can't we all just be people? Why do we have to come with labels? You wanna just label people and make assumptions? Go ahead. How does it feel to be part of the problem? I'd rather be part of the solution.

[PopCulturePooka]

To adress Serpicos stuff, I agree with him, but find his excess of piss and venom somewhat un-needed. It seems he is hitting that point that lots of foreigners living in Japan reach, which is an anger and resentment towards many facets of Japanese culture. Myself I REALLY hated (and stil do) the treatment of women in the country, and stuff like talent scouts, molestation on trains and an almost acceptance of rape culture there.

I too also have tales of Japanese people showing very little care for their fellow men and women. I too have witnessed a person VERY much in need of help with no-one daring to lift a finger to do so.

Even little things. I once saw a women drop her wallet on the street. Obviously so. She didn't notice, but a good mass of others did. What did people do? Stared at the thing as if it were mystery meat. The women kept on walking. No-one bother to stop the women to tell her, grab the wallet and take it to her or anything. So I did. Grabbed the wallet, ran up to the lady and gave it too her. She thanked me greatly for it surprisingly. Next day I asked some students what they would do and they agreed the best option was to take it to the Koban. So in other words inconvienience the lass for a day or two instead of bending over and walking up to her.

My friend once saw a guy, apprantly a runt of a salary-man, sitting in Yodabashi camera, pants down in front of a TV pulling his pud to the gyrations of a J-pop girl on screen. Whacking away as if he was safely in his own room. People gave him a wide berth (understandably). My friend, offended by this, especially seeing as though his pregnant wife was nearby, complained to a nearby staff member. The staff member looked at the guy, shook his head and continued working. Mate tried another staff and got the same reaction. So he went back to the first staff member and DEMANDED he do something, and physically moved him towards said tally-whacker. The staff member grudgingly asked the man to stop, then death stared my friend. The guy was being a public nuisance and some would say danger, but the staff refused to stick their neck out to do something.

I think thats the root of it. Not so much a lck of caring about your fellow man, but a fear of sticking your neck out, being in the public eye, that really prevents people from helping or doing the right thing. That Japanese adage about the exposed nail getting struck down.

I also feel thats why you ALWAYS see a row of arrogant ***** salary-men sitting on a train while a women or old person is standing. Well, they are arrogant, so obviously this comment would go over the head of arrogant people like Belgians.

[RockLee]

Mr RockLee how would you react if I stated that this guy is really arrogant and condescending, therefore he is Belgian or German, as all Belgian and Germans are arrogant?
I would wager it would be a pithy comment with a neg point.
Fact of the matter is you DO use every oppurtunity to try and sink the boot into America and Americans, then justify your bleatings with the tired cry of racists/nationists everywhere 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!!!'. Its really tiring to be honest, you're a broken record as much as serpico is.

As it stands this idea of Americans as whiners and whingers is fairly Euro-centric. In Australia the popular stereotype is that the Brits and Europeans are the ones who whinge and rant about everything.

My statement is not based on the American population, only on the American population on this board, it's something I noticed ONLINE.I said most of the time it's an American who rants (ON A FORUM OR SOME OTHER INTERNET MEDIUM) How could I condone the whole USA if I've never been there before or I don't know every damn American ? Did I talk about the whole USA? No I didn't, I merely talked about the people (yes Americans) ONLINE who ranted.Does that mean I think Americans are bad ? No it doesn't. Does it mean I think it's ALWAYS Americans who rant about something ? No it doesn't.I never ever talked about the whole USA itself, only about the members on this board.And they make up a great amount of ranters.Now if u want to compare the Americans on this board with the whole USA, then by all means that's up to you.It's not me who started attacking people, it was that anti-Japan guy who started, I merely made a remark about the American members ONLINE on this board who are mostly the ranters.I suggest u read everything I said and don't jump to conclusions that quickly.Besides me saying that the Americans on this site are known to be the nr1 ranters does not say I think Americans are ranters.Big difference, I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)

[PopCulturePooka]

It really makes me loose hope. Why even try to improve America's image in the world if, no matter what, we're all seen as being a bunch of @$$h0le$ no matter what we do. When I was in Japan, I did my best to be a good representation/ambassador of America. But my friends would just say, "Oh, you're the good American, but all of the others are bad." I give up! It doesn't do any good to be the exception to the rule. I'm just going to start being an @$$h0le if I'm just guilty until proven innocent anyways. But, you know what... I think it sucks. I'm tired of all the generalization and stereotyping. I'm tired of being guilty for other people's actions. Why can't we all just be people? Why do we have to come with labels? You wanna just label people and make assumptions? Go ahead. How does it feel to be part of the problem? I'd rather be part of the solution.
Mate, I believe its just jealousy. Tall poppy syndrome us Aussies call it. The collective need to knock the 'popular' or 'powerful' one down a few pegs.

As a reformed American hater, I understand the impotent rage many non-Americans feel when they think about America being the most influential nation on Erath and percieve their culture being wiped out byt American trends and ideas without stopping to think WHY thats happening.

Instead they see the big target, the easy target... the scapegoat some would say.

And the knives come out.

Of course the realisation soon comes that the object of their anger shouldn't be America as a collective. It should be ideas, people etc that are not representative of America as a whole at all. I still love to sink the boot into Conservatives, Right Wingers and Creationists. But no longer blame America for that or view America negatively because of those types.

When RockLee grows up a bit more he too will hit that realisation. Its a realisation stunning enough to crush worlds.

[Ma Cherie]

Brooker, I think you are letting RockLee's comments get to you. All of this started because of Serpico's rant. And he just happened to have been (or perhaps) is an American. You say that you ran into comments like "Oh you're the good American all the rest are bad" Well, you know what I say to that. That it's nothing more than pure ignorance on their part. To believe stereotypes is ignorance. It's a comfort zone if you ask me.

[PopCulturePooka]

My statement is not based on the American population, only on the American population on this board, it's something I noticed ONLINE.I said most of the time it's an American who rants (ON A FORUM OR SOME OTHER INTERNET MEDIUM) How could I condone the whole USA if I've never been there before or I don't know every damn American ? Did I talk about the whole USA? No I didn't, I merely talked about the people (yes Americans) ONLINE who ranted.Does that mean I think Americans are bad ? No it doesn't. Does it mean I think it's ALWAYS Americans who rant about something ? No it doesn't.I never ever talked about the whole USA itself, only about the members on this board.And they make up a great amount of ranters.Now if u want to compare the Americans on this board with the whole USA, then by all means that's up to you.It's not me who started attacking people, it was that anti-Japan guy who started, I merely made a remark about the American members ONLINE on this board who are mostly the ranters.I suggest u read everything I said and don't jump to conclusions that quickly.Besides me saying that the Americans on this site are known to be the nr1 ranters does not say I think Americans are ranters.Big difference, I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)
You also then must realise that the US has the highest per capita internet use in the english speaking world, therefore more Americans online then any other english speakers, therefore statistically you have a greater weight of ALL types of netizen from America. Including the ranters. Also comes from the internet still being rather Americo-centric as far as english sites go. Statistical law of averages.

Check out an Aussie only message board. You will still get ranters and whiners. In the same number I'd wager too. But they will all be Aussies. Recently the Korean blog scene had a MASSIVE iflux of whiners and ranters But you wouldn't have know or seen it because you don't read Korean or visit Korean language boards.


And by the way, your arguments are sticnking of backpeddle grease.

[Brooker]

I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)

Don't generalize!! You just don't seem to get it.

[RockLee]

Automatically asuming I'm against America.U have twisted the topic so bad it makes me say I hate Americans and I think Americans are ignorant.And all I did was make a comment about the Americans on this board make lots of anti-Japan rants.I tried to make a point, a fact.And all I get is flaming I'm generalizing the whole damn USA?? I never talked about other boards..just about Jref -__-; Stop inventing stuff I never even mentioned.I'm trying to make a point to this Japan-hater, yet I get negative reaction instead from everybody else.And for the last time Brooker, I'm not GENERALIZING !! At least not about the USA and all it's inhabitants.

When RockLee grows up a bit more he too will hit that realisation.He who casts the first stone is without sins.

I'm not making America a scapegoat here, I just stated an observation for crying out loud.And I would appreciate if u just would see what I want to make clear to you guys ! :kanashii:

[DoctorP]

I didn't use foul language nor did I did any name calling CC1...prove me wrong and I'll apologize.Now this guy Serpico on the other hand...


I'm doing the same thing as this "loud mouthed jerk".Now position yourself in the shoes of a Japanese person getting hammered by a foreigner who basicly knows nothing about the country, calls him a lozer with a small **** , only sees the bad things and thinks he is omnipotent and superior to the Japanese.He should know that it's the same **** back in the good old U.S of A or any other country.My assumption is also based on the fact it's usually an American who starts this kind of rant.Did I ever say anything bad about Americans in my posts ?? No I did not.I only made a generalization that it's mostly an American, and I told you before I don't mean to insult Americans, nor call them loud mouthed jerks(never said anything like that anyway and didn't suggest that either).Just stated they are mostly the base of arguments.Nothing more...And like I told u, I was aiming at this clown...not the whole damn USA :/

I'm sorry RockLee...I took the meaning of "loud mouthed jerk" to be name calling and foul language to mean the use of small Dick and shiiit which the filters obviously blocked out for you. Also, unless the guy wears makeup, baggy clothes, large shoes, and a comical nose then calling him a clown is name calling right?

Don't take this personally...I was just trying to slow down the moment and get people to regroup and calm down a bit! No worries.

[Brooker]

Mate, I believe its just jealousy. Tall poppy syndrome us Aussies call it. The collective need to knock the 'popular' or 'powerful' one down a few pegs.

As a reformed American hater, I understand the impotent rage many non-Americans feel when they think about America being the most influential nation on Erath and percieve their culture being wiped out byt American trends and ideas without stopping to think WHY thats happening.

Instead they see the big target, the easy target... the scapegoat some would say.

And the knives come out.

Of course the realisation soon comes that the object of their anger shouldn't be America as a collective. It should be ideas, people etc that are not representative of America as a whole at all. I still love to sink the boot into Conservatives, Right Wingers and Creationists. But no longer blame America for that or view America negatively because of those types.

When RockLee grows up a bit more he too will hit that realisation. Its a realisation stunning enough to crush worlds.

Thank-you so much. Your sentiments restore my hope. Those are the most honest statements I've ever heard on the subject. It really sucks being that target, especially when you feel you have no say in the matter. It's something I dealt with everyday when I was in Japan. I was vastly outnumbered by non-Americans and put in the position of being held responsible for everything America has ever done whether I was in favor of it or not. It really made me resent those people sometimes. I felt I was being attacked for something I couldn't control. I'm just as critical of America as probably anyone you've ever met, but this is my home damn it and I'm an American. I'm tired of apologizing for who I am and I'm tired of being blamed for things I can't control. Now I'm going off on my own little rant, but generalizing and stereotyping are the first steps towards misunderstanding and hatred. All the hatred keeps building like a rolling snowball. The more America is hated, the more America shuts out the rest of the world, and the more America is hated.

[RockLee]

I apologize if I offended anyone who feels offended, but obviously u don't seem to get my point.I won't make any more effort as this will result in more mess.
If u at least would do something about this guy I would appreciate it...as he obviously did something wrong : insult a moderator for starters.I hate it when a discussion has to end like this, but shikatanai né? Lets get on with our lives and no hard feelings( even tho I didn't had them in the first place).

[RockLee]

I'm sorry RockLee...I took the meaning of "loud mouthed jerk" to be name calling and foul language to mean the use of small Dick and shiiit which the filters obviously blocked out for you. Also, unless the guy wears makeup, baggy clothes, large shoes, and a comical nose then calling him a clown is name calling right?

Don't take this personally...I was just trying to slow down the moment and get people to regroup and calm down a bit! No worries.
I appreciate ur effort :) :wave:

[DoctorP]

just realize that I wasn't against your point of view (at least not totally :) ) I just didn't care for the way you were presenting it!

[Elizabeth]

I'm not making America a scapegoat here, I just stated an observation for crying out loud.And I would appreciate if u just would see what I want to make clear to you guys ! :kanashii:
You also did say that was because they were 80% of the members, although I'm not sure it's that high myself. And that Chinese, Koreans, etc did the same about Japan....but of course Europeans here, except for Maciamo "speaking him mind" don't stereotype against all Americans. :okashii:

Although generalizations are more stupid and tiresome than seriously offensive. Americans who don't bother helping strangers upsets me much more than someone using a lot of profanity or living under a fog of anger.
The number of Japanese who love the American life and never return is another reason you should VISIT us again sometime, Rocklee, try it out for yourself ! :p

[kirei_na_me]

Wow, I leave for 2.5 hours and this thing grows 2 pages! :souka:

[RockLee]

You also did say that was because they were 80% of the members, although I'm not sure it's that high myself. And that Chinese, Koreans, etc did the same about Japan....but of course Europeans here, except for Maciamo "speaking him mind" don't stereotype against all Americans. :okashii:

Although generalizations are more stupid and tiresome than seriously offensive. Americans who don't bother helping strangers upsets me much more than someone using a lot of profanity or living under a fog of anger.
The number of Japanese who love the American life and never return is another reason you should VISIT us again sometime, Rocklee, try it out for yourself ! :p
I will some day,don't worry...there are a lot of places on my list ! :-)

[Ma Cherie]

Wow, I leave for 2.5 hours and this thing grows 2 pages! :souka:


Yeah, all because one guy's rant. It's amazing, isn't it. :p

[kirei_na_me]

Yes, amazing it is.

Quality entertainment. :p

[RockLee]

And educating, don't forget that ! :cool:

[kirei_na_me]

Yes, educational as well. ;-)

[Pachipro]

Whoa! Everybody needs to take 2 steps back and calm down a bit here. I was going to stay out of this, but seeing how fast and furious the posts are coming in, I just have to add my 2 yen also. When I first started to compose my reply there were 39 posts. Now there are 87. It looks like a war has broken out here! I'm glad to see that things are calming down a bit.

It seems Serpico has accomplished his goal of causing in-fighting among people on this board due to his hatred of Japan. Too many people are just too thin skinned. Chill out people. A famous criminal by the name of Rodney King once said "Can't we all just get along?"

In my opinion I think the editing/delition of Serpico's threads was warranted not because he posted his opinion on what he has witnessed, but because of the way he posted it and the words and venom he used. To me he sounded like a rabid dog on the attack and nothing save shooting the dog would've stopped it from attacking. I wonder if any newspaper in America, Australia, New Zeland, Asia, or Europe would've printed this story word for word the way he presented it here. I doubt it very much. If they did, it would've been severely edited as it was here. And rightly so. Would he then accuse them of taking away his free speech rights? I think Iron Chef did the best he could considering the circumstances. Heck, Iron Chef could've deleted all his posts and banned him and no one would be the wiser. But he didn't. He should be commended for that as moderator. He did what a moderator is supposed to do. Well done Iron Chef!

To me this is clearly a case of "I hate this goddamned place and no one better stop me from ranting about it in any way I see fit."
Experiences like his could very well have been presented in a much different way, with better vocabulary, without seeming to be so racist and anti-Japanese. Just look at some of Maciamo's posts and threads. Some of his posts have been controversial and some, including myself, have accused him of over generalizing, but he is articulate and backs up his opinions with well thought out thoughts and logic. Mike Cash says alot of truth about Japan that is not always nice, but he also does it in a mature, articulate manner without comming off as a racist and Japan basher. The same goes for Mad Perriot and quite a few others who have lived there a long time. Serpico, on the other hand just comes off as an immature Japan hating racist looking to start an argument.

Serpico, I've seen the likes of you before. I'm guessing you are living in Japan whose people and culture you totally despise and don't, or will not take the time to, understand. You have a job you hate, and are just too scared or afraid to move back home and start over again and give up the "easy money" you are making. Because the Japanese think differently than yourself or other foreigners, you paint them as "Selfish Pigs" (among other immature and vile words.) Heaven forbid that anyone should argue with you or ask you to not use so much venom as they will then be painted as a Japan loving Japanophile who wear rose-colored glasses all the time and see nothing wrong with Japan. Instead, you remain there while letting the hate build up within you to the boiling point of an immature racist rant such as you posted above all the while using the silly, phony excuse that you are not going to let any racist Japanese chase you from the country. You give not one single reason what you like about Japan other than your 10 or so girlfriends. Maybe that's why you're staying there.

I myself have seen a few times exactly what you have witnessed and have had much near the same thoughts. But I did not, nor will I, paint the whole country and it's people with the same broad brush as I have also witnessed cases where Japanese DID come to the aid of others in need.

Serpico claims to have lived in Japan for four years, but apparently he has not learned anything of the culture and people at all save for the negative aspect which many foreigners are prone to do. Can he say why the Japanese act the way they do? Has he done any research into the Japanese mind and culture and present an argument on why they may be so apathetic? I will venture to say not in the least.

Others have stated that the same thing happens in other countries, including the US. Serpico, are you old enough to remember the woman in New York City who was raped and murdered on the staircase of her apartment and not a single person in that building who heard her screams called the police or tried to aid her? I figured as much. What would say about this? Would you also paint all Americans as "Selfish Pigs"? I thought so. I could give you many more examples of apathy here in the US where no one lifted so much as a finger to help those persons in need. So I guess we all, including myself, are "Selfish Pigs."

About your female friend who got so pissed at you for painting the Japanese with a broad brush. Ever hear of the saying that "It's ok for me to speak ill of my family, but heaven help anyone else outside the family who says the same things?" Although she may have agreed with you inside, I think she was offended that you should speak in the manner and with the venom in which you described above.

Apparently you must have some experience with "Small Dicked" Japanese males or how would you know so much about the size of the whole population of males? Oh I get it, you heard about it from other foreigners who also heard about it from other foreigners and so on. But no one knows for sure. They only repeat as fact what others have told them. Understood. The same holds true for your whole rant about the Japanese population as a whole. Now you use those "facts" to paint all Japanese people. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Serpico, it's people like you, who cannot criticize and articulate themselves in a mature manner that gives all foreigners a bad name. Instead, you stoop to the lowest level of name calling racism I have seen in a long time. It will be fine by me if you never show up back on these boards until you can conduct yourself in a mature manner instead of the racist immature jerk you have painted yourself.

Alot of people here would be glad to discuss with you the apathy and indifference of the Japanese towards their fellow man (because it is true) if only you can be more calm and non-racist about it. However, I seriously doubt you would be man enough to do it as there are plenty of other boards with people who think like you out there that would gladly welcome your racist-like rants.

[Elizabeth]

Even little things. I once saw a women drop her wallet on the street. Obviously so. She didn't notice, but a good mass of others did. What did people do? Stared at the thing as if it were mystery meat. The women kept on walking. No-one bother to stop the women to tell her, grab the wallet and take it to her or anything. So I did. Grabbed the wallet, ran up to the lady and gave it too her. She thanked me greatly for it surprisingly. Next day I asked some students what they would do and they agreed the best option was to take it to the Koban. So in other words inconvienience the lass for a day or two instead of bending over and walking up to her.
Unless you're cowed by the interrogation of a Koban and don't want to inconvenience them either, supposedly a lot of people end up sticking found wallets, unaddressed, in the mailbox. It would be almost comical if it weren't all so serious.

[Faustianideals]

Serpico! Wow, that was awesome. My friend is exactly like that, this kid was being kicked, and shoved after school in the parking lot, and nobody was doing anything to stop it. So I decide to start walking up there, and he stops me, and gives me some glare like I'm some sort of bastard. Long story short, I stopped the fight, and had the **** kicked out of me instead.
I wish people would just wake up to reality, and not assume so many things about people. It would make everything so much easier, and better.

[mad pierrot]

It always amazes me how much regular members will step in and make an effort to keep the peace. Kudos.


Not only that, but if this is as bad as it gets, good for Jref. I've seen people literally threaten to go to someone's house and beat the crap out of them on other boards.


Go Jref!

[lexico]

Not to take this off topic, but a lot of people didn't like Carter when he was in office, but afterward his popularity grew!I remember people would love to make fun of Jimmy Carter for being a peanut farmer with a Georgian accent ? And then they had all these smiling caricatures of him ... I believe that's when the smiling icon was born; it's etched into my brain actually. The accent thing; they were just picking on him, right ? I was actually surprised to find out later that he had more opponents than I had thought, but what do I know ? :biggrin: :clap:

[Mike Cash]

It always amazes me how much regular members will step in and make an effort to keep the peace. Kudos.


Not only that, but if this is as bad as it gets, good for Jref. I've seen people literally threaten to go to someone's house and beat the crap out of them on other boards.


Go Jref!

I've seen the threat of murdering an entire family on usenet. Strangely, I later was a guest in the home of the fellow whose family was the target of the threat....along with the guy who made it. I bedded down next to the guy who made the threat, but I didn't sleep a wink all night.

[RockLee]

I've seen the threat of murdering an entire family on usenet. Strangely, I later was a guest in the home of the fellow whose family was the target of the threat....along with the guy who made it. I bedded down next to the guy who made the threat, but I didn't sleep a wink all night.
Hmm, weird situation if u ask me. :souka:

[Mycernius]

I cant believe how this thread has grown. Serpico never did say whether he had any positive things to say about Japan :( . And then this attack and defense of the US, It was like a word war. Oh well everyone seems to have calmed down now.
Australia the popular stereotype is that the Brits and Europeans are the ones who whinge and rant about everything.
How do Australians now a plane of Brits has landed at Sydney airport?
When the engine are switched off the plane is still whining.

And just to equal things up

Why wasn't Penicillin invented in Australia?
Because there's no culture there :D

[Dutch Baka]

I love AUSTRALIA!!!! DONT MESS WITH IT Mycernius,,, you english people are all the same.. LOL

( THIS IS A JOKE)

[Mycernius]

I love AUSTRALIA!!!! DONT MESS WITH IT Mycernius,,, you english people are all the same.. LOL

( THIS IS A JOKE)
I know, all us English are absolute cads. Australians do have a fighting chance, after all they do play cricket, not like the Americans, who have to make up their own sissy games because they can't handle real sports like Rugby. (Go on take the bait. I dare you. I double dare you :evil: )

[RockLee]

I know, all us English are absolute cads. Australians do have a fighting chance, after all they do play cricket, not like the Americans, who have to make up their own sissy games because they can't handle real sports like Rugby. (Go on take the bait. I dare you. I double dare you :evil: )
HAHA...They come with axes, they come with...oh no wait wrong line ! :p They come with many ! Round 2 of the Americano games ! :D (J/K, I guess some people would start crying :blush: )

[kirei_na_me]

Hey, I'm all for some rugby! I would definitely say that American sports are indeed quite sissy compared to rugby.

Yum...rugby players... *swoon*

[Ma Cherie]

I know, all us English are absolute cads. Australians do have a fighting chance, after all they do play cricket, not like the Americans, who have to make up their own sissy games because they can't handle real sports like Rugby. (Go on take the bait. I dare you. I double dare you :evil: )


OHHHHHH, rugby!!!! I can handle rugby. That's funny coming from people who play cricket.

I don't know what I'm saying here, but you doubled dared. :blush:

[lexico]

I cant believe how this thread has grown. Serpico never did say whether he had any positive things to say about Japan :( . And then this attack and defense of the US, It was like a word war. Oh well everyone seems to have calmed down now.The peace is mostly appreciated, thanks to some people who gracefully took the blows, and some who justly complained. The power of civilization will be the light to shine upon the darker corners of the earth.How do Australians now a plane of Brits has landed at Sydney airport?
When the engine are switched off the plane is still whining.Well, if everybody were happy watching mushrooms grow in their back yards, there still might have been 500 native Amerindian peoples watching their great plains, hills, and forests. Discontent is a deadly thing. :( And just to equal things up

Why wasn't Penicillin invented in Australia?
Because there's no culture there :DActually there was, Mycernius. The Brits just transferred it to the British museum to preserve for posterity. And the bacilli from which to harvest the penicilin only grow in damp, stale atmosphere which is hard to find in Sunny Australia !:D

[Elizabeth]

I think thats the root of it. Not so much a lck of caring about your fellow man, but a fear of sticking your neck out, being in the public eye, that really prevents people from helping or doing the right thing. That Japanese adage about the exposed nail getting struck down.
This also resonates with me as a root cause. It's similar to the story I posted earlier about the woman being struck in the wrist by a flying rock in the road but enduring the pain and swelling, not saying anything out of embarrassment at possibly delaying the bus and inconveniencing the other passangers.

Added to this the awkwardness of talking to a stranger out of the blue (日本では知らない人とあまり口を利きません) as casually as we do, there would be a severe strain before the other person understood your motives or reason -- in addition not being able to communicate normally under the pressure of an emergency. :sorry:

[Dutch Baka]

I know, all us English are absolute cads. Australians do have a fighting chance, after all they do play cricket, not like the Americans, who have to make up their own sissy games because they can't handle real sports like Rugby. (Go on take the bait. I dare you. I double dare you :evil: )

i followd the Rugby last year, great england won , as i was in australia at that moment, and to many BRITISH where there.. really i was going crazy of the Britisch in australia......

OFF TOPIC LOL

just i do not understand why the aboriginals let england mess with them, and the maori didnt... but this is for another thread haha SORRY SORRY OFF TOPIC A LOT

[lexico]

just i do not understand why the aboriginals let england mess with them, and the maori didnt... Now which people taught Cptn. Cook's crew to do the Australian crawl ?

[mad pierrot]

Which brings us to the final question: who's got a better football team, NZ or Australia?

:biggrin:

[Dutch Baka]

NZ,, lets do the HAKA together !!!!!! love your AVATAR MAD PIERROT

Ka Mate! Ka Mate!
Ka Ora! Ka Ora!
Tenei te ta ngata puhuru huru
Nana nei i tiki mai
Whakawhiti te ra
A upane ka upane!
A upane kaupane whiti te ra!
Hi!!

[mad pierrot]

:biggrin: Thanks!

NZ rulz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(Actually, I just put that quip in because I heard that Australians and NZ's hate each others football teams. Funny, reminds me of the time I saw a fellow American almost get punched out in bar for calling a Aussie a "Kiwi." Seriously, what's up with that? :) )

[Ewok85]

Funny, reminds me of the time I saw a fellow American almost get punched out in bar for calling a Aussie a "Kiwi." Seriously, what's up with that? :) )

We don't like it ;)

I'd agree with the OP tho, too many of you simply balk at the idea that Japan is anything but perfect, although if he had the eloquence of Maciamo his posts may have lasted longer :(

[Kara_Nari]

Dutch Baka your Haka is fantastic :) If women were allowed to do it I would join in...
Im not opposed to the Australian rugby team, hell I dont even like rugby fullstop. People assume Australians and New Zealanders hate each other, but secretly I think it's all show. I like Australia because they have Cherry Ripes. If anyone in Australia wants to send Cherry Ripes to Korea I will gladly send some sort of Korean snack to you :)
Lots of Americans have asked if im Australian, Koreans asking if im American, South Africans asking if im English... im getting confused myself.
Some very serious issues addressed here, good to read :) I think most people are agreeing that its up to the individual as to how they want to perceive something. I could start ranting about Korea but