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@flygirl017
thanks for answering my question :thankyou:
i have a feeling that the 2nd single would be a dark and heavy one:-) i hope~
yeah i spotted on their website there was gona be another single, 2 singles in 2 months they've been busy ^_^
woah, have u checked their profiles (http://www.12012.jp/profile.html)?
Gorgeous!! :love: :love:
I like the covers for As too:blush:
judging from the digital numbers in their profiles, I wonder if the tracks would be techno ones :?
hmm i never thought of that.... techno would be a step in a veeery different direction hehe. maybe they're experimenting
flygirl017
Dec 16, 2008, 04:49
I checked the cover of their new single and it really looks cool. I like the cover with rainbow colors in it the most ^^
hhmmm....techno:clueless:.....I think that the new single will be a POP one :hihi: THAT would go to a whoole different level.
Anywayz, I HOPE that 'As' will be like ~ice~ cold city :p *praying*
I don't know, im just guessing from seeing all the digital numbers :D. Hope im wrong in that, i can't imagine them turning in2 oshare band :p hehehe
pop? may be :?
I hope the songs would not be too poppy and the music would be good D;
*praying with @flygirl017 *
TsumetaiKaze
Dec 23, 2008, 15:51
HELLOO!
@Dove and flygirl: YAY FOR US!
um, yeah, been into 12012 for a while now, and I just watched the making of over...
I kept hearing Wataru and Yuusuke say 'Australia', and at the start I have a feeling Wataru said South Australia or something. (Then again, I could've misheard entirely - my Japanese isn't all that fantastic)
Surely it wasn't filmed here?!?!
O.O
I know a couple of bands have filmed videos in Austria.... I have no idea where it was filmed *goes and watches making of again* i love it when Hiroaki's messin around ^_^
i got the new copy of v!nyl syndicate which has 12012 in it if anyone would like me to do some scans :)
Yay :D :dance:
@TsumetaiKaze joined in 12012 club :dance:
hurray for us 12012 fans :flower:
really?:souka:
*checking the making of over..*
.....you are right:clueless: i heard that too 0.0 and i really don't know if they filmed the pv in Australia :souka::bluush:
@kyami
if you don't mind :bow:
TsumetaiKaze
Dec 27, 2008, 12:45
YAY for the 12012 club!! XD
@kyami: Scans? XD -cookies for you- please?
Haha, I love them all being fools XP And where Yuusuke has to walk past Wataru and stuffs it ups lots, hahaha :)
Hmm... I'll have to watch it again or do some hunting - when you live in Australia it's an enormous thing that any jrock bands even know it exists XP. thanks anyway!
Hope everyone had a wonderful christmas and are enjoying their holidays!
sorry i meant to do this sooner but i havn't been around a computer in a few days.
anyways v!nyl syndicate scans yay!:wave:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP185.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP187.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP188.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP189.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP190.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP191.jpg
i put in the interview too, i can't read Japanese so i'd be useless translating:bluush:
flygirl017
Jan 1, 2009, 01:26
I wish everyone a Happy, Wonderful and Healthy New Year!!!:flower:
And I hope that 2009 brings you everything you could wish for!!!
HAPPY HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!:cracker::hanabi:
P.S. Be careful with Fireworks!!!:cool:
sorry i meant to do this sooner but i havn't been around a computer in a few days.
anyways v!nyl syndicate scans yay!:wave:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP185.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP187.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP188.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP189.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP190.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/TMP191.jpg
i put in the interview too, i can't read Japanese so i'd be useless translating:bluush:
Oh my gosh @kyami
thank you thank you thank you :D
u made my day :rose: i didn't have these scans by the way. woah Wataru with a hat :love: he looks so gorgeous〜♪ :love: :love:
by the way, a new album is coming up on March. So yay :yeahh:
and the preview of As sounds so good :D i love it :cool:
AND
HaPpY nEw YeAr:spray::confetti::confetti:
hope this year turns out a great one with you all :flower:
funkykitty
Jan 1, 2009, 08:31
@ kyami THANKS ALOT FOR THE SCANS
Happy new year all
@ flygirl we did a realy bad thing with fireworks please god forgive us :p
Happy new year!
ooh yay AS sounds lots lots better than aitaikara i'm happy now ^_^ and yes! it says there's gona be a new album!
we had a rocket for new years which didn't launch out of the ground....
ya :cool::cool:
12012 are back to their right track again :happy:
Just wanted to share this with you
http://i40.tinypic.com/2uo714z.jpg
this is taken from Rame's blog.
Cute :cute:
Wacchi's stolen Ni~ya's old hair style hehe
TsumetaiKaze
Jan 5, 2009, 09:49
aaw they're so cute! Haha, hair thief.
'As' preview? Where can I listen?
and thank you for the scans! -loves to Wataru-
omg they all look really good!!
*o*
lolz hair thief :D
that's a good one :D
@TsumetaiKaze
you can listen to the preview in here (http://www.universal-music.co.jp/12012/index.html#release)
flygirl017
Jan 7, 2009, 02:30
lolz hair thief :D
that's a good one :D
@TsumetaiKaze
you can listen to the preview in here (http://www.universal-music.co.jp/12012/index.html#release)
WOOOW:o Their new single sounds promising^^ It's soooo 12012!!!
Thank you for those cuuute and hot pictures, Dove and Kyami :cool:
TsumetaiKaze
Jan 7, 2009, 10:07
@Dove: thank you!
uwaaa~h! It sounds really good!
You're right, flygirl - very 12012.
I still think Ice ~cold city~ has to be my favourite out of the songs I've heard (I only have a bunch of singles.... waiting for money to buy the albums).
That or SHINE.
XD
Thank you!
flygirl017
Jan 8, 2009, 02:12
(...) I still think Ice ~cold city~ has to be my favourite out of the songs I've heard(...)
OMG!!!! Ice ~cold city~ is also my fav song :D I so love that song!!!!! :p
funkykitty
Jan 8, 2009, 18:58
OMG the sample souns so great I love the song soo much
@ Dove thanks alot for the link :cool:
I don't know if it's been mentioned but the new album is out on 11th March ^_^ I wana hear a sample of Hallelujah now i've heard the As sample >_<
no it isn't mentioned in here and i don't know if they gave the title of the album :?
i wanna watch As PV :(
Kyami attempted drawing Yuusuke :blush:
http://kyami-neko.deviantart.com/art/Yuusuke-Suga-109471939
wow @kyami :shock:
your drawing is so good :cool:
I really like it!!
i wish i have drawing skill too :/
yuusake in Pistol outfit :blush: Pistol outfits are my fav ones!!:cool: i can't wait to see him in As, im DYING to see them in the pv :happy:
As got to no.30 in the Oricon daily chart ^_^
oh they deserve higer rank but better than last time :blush: and thank you for the info Kyami
at last the pv As (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFHkoOZL-A)
watch it before youtube delete it like what they did yesterday :/
tell me what u think of the pv :D :D
flygirl017
Jan 23, 2009, 20:30
oh they deserve higer rank but better than last time :blush: and thank you for the info Kyami
at last the pv As (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFHkoOZL-A)
watch it before youtube delete it like what they did yesterday :/
tell me what u think of the pv :D :D
OMG~~~!!!!! THIS IS SOOOO 12012!! 12012 are finally back with a great song again! The song is so so soooo awesome and Wataru looks 10 years younger with the new hair color of him :p: He looks great!!! The PV is also great! Unfortunately you don't see the other members so often.
Well, I'm gonna listen to the song again, before it get deleted ^^
yay i'm happy now *bounces* though we see hardly anything of Tooru :( still yay!! it's soo much better than Aitaikara
i'm gona try watch them on music fighter later, if the internet doesn't break again.... if anyone's downloaded keyhole tv, watch Nihon TV at 12.55am Japan time it's gona be good ^_^
TsumetaiKaze
Jan 24, 2009, 19:48
HOMG... -watching pv-...-fainting-... WATARU'S SO BEAUTIFUL!!! O_O
The song is SO good. Yeah, much better than Aitai Kara. That one made me sad, but I still don't mind it.
Heeey, Suga has new glasses :) And is Aki's hair red?
Oh...goodness... look at Wataru saying 'Kimi no melody' at 1:35-ish... -fainted-
oh wow, and I love the ending!
Thank you SO much, Dove!
@Kyami: you can watch them on music fighter? where? Is there anywhere to download the episodes?
I've been looking for somewhere to download full music japan and music fighter (though for all I know they could be the same thing) episodes for ages, but haven't found anywhere. Oh, and where can you read the Oricon chart list thing?
I don't know if you can download full episodes anywhere, I'd love it if you could. If you download keyhole tv you can watch some Japanese channels streaming live, that's how I managed to watch music fighter yesterday. The only thing is as it's live streaming it was a bit crackly and broken up but I got to see them sing anyways ^_^ it just didn't sound too good cos of the quality of the video. Also some channels appear and disappear. I wanted to watch something the other day and the channel had gone >_< download it here --> http://xorsyst.com/japan/watch-japanese-tv-online/
the oricon daily singles chart is here --> http://www.oricon.co.jp/# just click on the bit that says top 20, although you can see the top 30 ^_^
hope that's helpful :)
TsumetaiKaze
Jan 25, 2009, 10:18
@Kyami: Gaaaaah thanks for the link, but I'll only be able to watch it every two weeks, because that's the only time I have good internet, when I visit my Dad, damnit. At least you got to see them!
I'll try hunt through a few sites my friend knows of to get full episodes. I know you can get full episodes of CDTV, Music Station and something else... I think Music Station is mainly pop though, isn't it?
If I ever see an episode where they're on it, I'll be sure to post!!
And thanks for the Oricon link. It was all in squares for me, though, because I don't have the language tool XP The only one I could recognise by picture was SID because I couldn't find the link for the next page...
But everyone's right - they definitely deserve higher than that.
-sniffles-
Aaah they're so awesome :)
Is there going to be a making of for As?
funkykitty
Jan 25, 2009, 16:36
I know I'm alittle late but As is soooo great .Absolutely 12012 is back to the top again.I like it alot that I jump of happiness every time I hear it.Running to hear it again Weeeeeee
ya, i can hardly see Tooru in the pv but the song and the pv r awesome :D
a lot better than the previous one:relief:
Oh my God, Wataru is so sexy :love: i love the number 75 written on his neck :love: He is killing me whenever he says "Kimi no melody" in the pv :mad:
@kyami
thank you for the links :thankyou:
can you tell me where to exactly go? there are so many things there:relief:
but thank you so so much again:blush:
there is someone uploaded music fighter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmVCN3trqX0) at youtube
Wataru has changed his hair style and color, he looks hotter in blonde:blush: but still cool :cool:
by the way their newest album is called 「mar maroon」.it sounds more interesting now :blush:
funkykitty
Jan 26, 2009, 14:54
@ Dove thanks alot for the link you rock going to watch it weeee:-)
I was messing around on the internet not doing anything in partictular when I stopped by Oricon just out of interest and I discovered that As has gone whoooosh! up to no.18 which I think is pretty good seeing as it dropped out of the top 30 after like 2 days. so anyways the evidence is here ^_^ --> http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/d/more/2/
of course it may all change by the time you look at it cos it is the daily chart after all hehe
soo for those whose computers can't cope with Kanji (I'm amazed mine does most of the time, not always though...) and also just incase it all changes again, I did a screen shot for ya :cool:
Go go 12012!!! :dance:
hope next time they reach top 10 :happy:
thanks kyami for the great news:D
by the way, "crazy the city" rocks!! :D :D
Yay! I finally got to listen to the other 2 songs on the single Dove you're so right Crazy the City is great ^_^ undecided about Flower, it's another slow one but I definately like it more than Aitaikara, it's a bit more rocky :)
funkykitty
Feb 1, 2009, 23:43
Finally I had time to post these pics. the reason I made those is when Dove said that she loved the number on Wataru's neck... here are some of them
http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr106/funkykitty4ever2/12012/screen%20caps/As/vlcsnap-189172.png
and I liked this one I think I'll do some ava or banner with this one
http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr106/funkykitty4ever2/12012/screen%20caps/As/vlcsnap-188624.png
and here are other more
http://s474.photobucket.com/albums/rr106/funkykitty4ever2/12012/screen%20caps/As/
and if you want the rest of the snap shoots visit me at my LJ
http://funkykitty4ever.livejournal.com/
have fun :-)
heh heh he looks kinda angry in some of them. thank you for the piccys!
i stumbled across these the other day
no idea where they're from but Tohru looks so pretty ^_^
funkykitty
Feb 5, 2009, 10:13
oh my god oh my god he looks sooooo great and now with his black hair looking so good... I totaly in to him. :bluush:
Just a random lil thought....
At the begining of 24 hours I think it sounds a little bit like Wataru is chanting "Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine" hehe
TsumetaiKaze
Feb 10, 2009, 13:26
Can someone please tell me where I can listen to the rest of the songs on 'As'? I really want to hear them!!!
@kyami: *o* Tooru's so pretty!!!
@funky
thanks for the snaps, Wataru is so hot :love: :love:
( don't you think he used too much of lip glass? :p)
Tooru is so cute in blonde hair but hot in dark hair:blush:
At the begining of 24 hours I think it sounds a little bit like Wataru is chanting "Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine Alice Nine are mine" hehe
lolz XD
by the way, i love this song, it is so funky :p hehehe
@TsumetaiKaze
here (http://www.mediafire.com/?zmmewzlo5y2)
just few days left for the release of Hallelujah single :dance:
TsumetaiKaze
Feb 12, 2009, 15:23
@kyami: :OOOO I didn't know '24 hours' when youwrote that, but i just got that album and WOOOOW I'm so addicted to it. It's quite seriously been on repeat all day and all last night. And you're so right about that 'Alice Nine ar emine' thing XDDD
@Dove: THANK YOU!!! I'm listening to crazy the city now, and I must say. It lives up to it's name. So intense! It's great! But I still love As... *o*
there's another single coming out soon? o.O? Wow.
Yeah they've got a song called Hallelujah out next week yay!
I got a new V!nly Syndicate today with Wataru piccys in so I'll scan those tmr for u all. There's also some Yuusuke ones from a while back which I'll do as well ^_^
nine_rainbows
Feb 13, 2009, 16:10
maybe I'm new here [am I right?]...
but, I wanna ask....
I think I never heard about 12012,,,
are they have a new concert or PVs?
newish, they released a 5 year anniversairy live DVD towards the end of last year, can't remember exactly when it was. They released a single called "As" last month which has a PV so you might be thinking of that one :)
funkykitty
Feb 14, 2009, 07:28
@funky
thanks for the snaps, Wataru is so hot :love: :love:
( don't you think he used too much of lip glass? :p)
No I totaly love his lip glass. hmmm... I think I should buy one just like his...
oooh just the thought of it made me jump of my seat.. cool :bluush:
scans yay! :cool:
Yuusuke from months and months ago, as you can see they're advertising Merry Go World hehe
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0007.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0006.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0005.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0004.jpg
and funky new Wataru ones (they're advertising As so it's nice and new ^_^)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0008.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0009.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0010.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/emmagal/scan0011.jpg
i love the extreme change in the photoshoot, when i was looking at it i didn't realise the interview carried on, i thought it was a different person. And look at Watchi yawn hehe :-)
@funky
ya ^^
I love his lip his gloss but still i wish....oh never mind :p he is so hot in every way :love:
@Kymi
thanks for the pictures
that pictures of Wataru without makeup is so so nice and he is so good looking without make up *_*
thank you :thankyou:
And
I FOUND IT
Hallelujah PV (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2423237/l) :love: :love: :love:
I haven't watched yet by the way :P
*goes to watch it*
Edit: i watched it
it seems that Wataru didn't put lip gloss on his lips as if he read my post :D :D and i love it :love:
the pv reminds me of Over...
I'm undecided about Hallelujah, although i've not listened to it much so it could be a grower. I definately like it more that Aitaikara though ^_^ it's not appeared in the oricon top 30 yet, you never know it might pop up sometime in the next couple of days
i don't know why but i really love it ^-^ and it is more calming and soothing :cool: and tone is a bit sad 2:(
and the b-side tracks are great too but i like the main track more:-) and speaking of Aitaikara, they are going to make another pv for it.
*deep sigh* i wish they would make a new pv for their new tracks of the album :/ but oh well, hope it turns better than the previous one:blush:
and hey, check out their new look :D :D
http://i39.tinypic.com/2zqyb74.jpg :love::love:
you know, the background and the covers of their album remind me a lot of SuG's nOiZ stAR :p
Hope, they'll reach the top 10 one day D:
I totaly agree about the background hehe actually there's a moment in the Hallelujah pv where i thought Wataru's facial expressions made him look like Takeru, just for a sec :)
the song's growing on me. so far i think Hallelujah sounds a bit like it belongs in a musical, Burning is the usual 12012 rock song which i quite like and Siren to me sounds like it belongs in some kind of super hero cartoon or film hehe but i really like it
like Takeru lolz xD
u know Kyami, i really love ur description :D :D
you are so funny :D
random q, do u think that the new 12012 music sounds like alice nine:souka:?
nymphadora69
Mar 4, 2009, 19:04
hmm I´ve been listening aricu quite a long time and 12012 not that long, but I don´t think so...These days it´difficult to find good band, because there are so many expecially new bands..so I´m searching for for bands with something extra for me..and some time ago I found 12012.. ok they´re not as heavy as other bands I like..but I really like their songs and they don´t reminds me aricu... ok but I might be wrong cause I sometimes loose my critical point of view expecially towards VK bands :D
Nah I don't think they sound like Alice Nine, but both bands are changing their sound and experimenting a bit at the moment so they might end up making songs that sound similar.... but I don't think they sound alike at the moment.
I'm finding it hard to find new bands I like right now as well. No matter, all the oldies are still producing new fresh stuff ^_^ hehe they're not really oldies
Gah i want subtitles!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Q9iMdY4xk&feature=related
there's a whole other bunch of vids that go with this where they're rambling partly about the album, partly about orange juice....
i love how random they are :-)
lolz that's ok @nymphadora69, i sometimes lose my point too :p
ya they don't sound like alice nine to me too, it is just that i read once a comment saying that they are now copying alice nine music in these days:souka:
i really don't see any similarities between the 2 bands, well, at least to me:bluush:
and you are right and there is always ups and downs in 12012 music because they are always trying new stuff :D
I totally agree, there is something in 12012 music that made me attached to it :-)
woah, that's video is so sweet :cute: Wataru could be a great actor in a commercial :D :D he is so cute when he smiles :cute:
I request subs for these videos too :D
I had look around the oricon website and I found out that Hallelujah got to no.37 and that it is also the ending theme to "Route 88" but I'm not sure what that is.... it's on Nihon TV anyways
edit:- the homepage has changed again :)
just thought I'd share this with you if you havn't already seen it,
Wataru's last post on the blog he described what Mar Maroon means. He says マーマルーン (mamarun/mar maroon) is the special keyword and this is what he said it means (takes deep breath):
mamarun = kind
mamarun = bud
mamarun = flower
mamarun = existence
mamarun = human
mamarun = heart
mamarun = future
mamarun = past
mamarun = today
mamarun = desire
mamarun = despair
mamarun = unchangeability
mamarun = variable
mamarun = both poles
mamarun = sphere
mamarun = reduction
mamarun = enlargement
mamarun = encounter
mamarun = separation
mamarun = loneliness
mamarun = nothingness
mamarun = power
mamarun = fear
mamarun = cowardice
mamarun = darkness
mamarun = light
mamarun = sleep
mamarun = awaking
mamarun = scar
mamarun = healing
mamarun = pain
mamarun = happiness
mamarun = appreciation
mamarun = raw
mamarun = evolution
mamarun = request
mamarun = praying
mamarun = cruel
mamarun = machine
mamarun = fine
mamarun = exciting
mamarun = delicacy
mamarun = lie
mamarun = truth
mamarun = the government
mamarun = populace
mamarun = control
mamarun = master and follower
mamarun = cell
mamarun = puzzle
mamarun = piece
mamarun = town
mamarun = cruelty
mamarun = tinplate
mamarun = beauty consciousness
mamarun = disgraceful behavior
mamarun = destruction
mamarun = playback
mamarun = simplicity
mamarun = complicated
mamarun = sacrifice
mamarun = love
mamarun = group
mamarun = enormous
mamarun = life
mamarun = weapon
mamarun = expression
mamarun = shadow
mamarun = earth
mamarun = ideal
mamarun = dispute
mamarun = age
mamarun = sky
mamarun = sea
mamarun = star
mamarun = ground
mamarun = pupil
mamarun = the world
mamarun = end of a show
mamarun = introduction
mamarun = God way
mamarun = overhead
mamarun = actuality
mamarun = reason
mamarun = instinct
mamarun = outer space
mamarun = destiny
mamarun = fate
mamarun = and every day
mamarun = it is obvious you
mamarun =12012
he then says this is barely just an expression rirurarirurara
yeeaah.....
he must get bored
ah I love him hehe :lol:
oh wow:souka:
Now i know what mar maroon stands for :souka:
that makes me respect him more :love: :love:
mamarun = it is obvious you
mamarun =12012
pretty long list and expressive too :blush:
Im really so impressed with the list:souka:
thanks Kyami :wave:
he is awesome :D :D
http://019.holidayblog.jp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/159777744.jpeg
And heads up people :yeahh:
the album is... fhadjhfdjahsdja the best :D :D :Deven better than daimond! im in love with DNA track:bluush:
they showed their hard work in that album:blush:
I'm still deciding which ones I like, a couple of them I'm a bit like meh but I think the ones I like are As, smile again, system [o] down, generation and ideal
I love how the album version of hallelujah isn't really any different, just an extra bit on the end hehe the song's growing on me though :)
it's wierd quite a lot of the songs as i'm listening to them i think "that sounds like another song" but i just can't think what song it sounds like. but that means the song is different enough to be it's own and not like someone else's :-)
I think system [o] down, smile again, generation and DNA are written by Hiroaki
he z really good at writting music that suits my taste:cool:
but i deal z written by Wataru
The world track doesn't sound 12012 at all but it doesn't suit my taste and hallelujah album version z better than the single one though it fooled me at 1st xD
I don't get Psycho Virus and i find it a weird and cool track at the same time xD i love the part when Wataru goes like "riruraririrurara" :p
12012 have been touring for like forever and are about to embark on another lil tour which means they've not given us much to talk about recently buuuuut they have a new single in October yay! Here's the info copied from Jame:-
"Along with a new tour around smaller livehouses all across Japan, 12012 have revealed plans to release a new single in October 7th.
Usubeni no ame, like their previous singles, will be sold in three editions, each including a different content: the limited type A will come with a DVD including the PV for the title track, while the other two versions will come with a different bonus track, namely THE GOVERNMENT STOMPING GUM with the limited type B and the instrumental counterpart of Usubeni to ame with the regular edition."
we will have something to talk about again! hehe
These guys have been playing in my head ever since I watched "Romeo x Juliet". Their song there drove me crazy and now I've become a complete fan. <3 They rock. ^^
I haven't come across the full length version of the new PV yet. I wanna watch it! and I wanna hear the whole of the song too. I had a quick look on Oricon earlier but I couldn't see Usubeni to Ame in the top 30 :(
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