Bush seeks Okinawa support on plan to relocate base

[Sukotto]

Why are any US bases even needed any where in East Asia (or eve SE)?

North Korea is hardly a threat when they cannot even feed themselves
and they and South Korea had been making peace all by themselves, the
2 that matter the most, if at all in the situation. During the 90s
they had begun cultural exchanges, family reunion trips, and even business
ties to spread. Then suddenly, because one person who happens to reside
on the east coast of North America, says so, N Korea is out to destroy the
world if they cannot conquer it.

China? no 2 nations that have both had a Mcdonalds have ever gone
to war with each other. Too many business ties for that. Want to wreck
your economy?

See no enemies in this part of the world.


article
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=9&id=354759

Wednesday, November 9, 2005 at 12:14 JST
WASHINGTON — U.S. President George W Bush expressed hope Tuesday that people in Okinawa will support the recent accord with Japan on a new plan to relocate the U.S. Marine Corps Futemma Air Station within the prefecture and for moving 7,000 Marines out of Okinawa.

In an interview with news organizations from Japan, China and South Korea ahead of his trip to the three countries starting next week, Bush said: "I'm aware there is some discontent with the agreement expressed by some of the folks on Okinawa toward the Japanese government that negotiated the deal, but it's hard to satisfy all the people all the time. It's an agreement that was not easy to bring a conclusion to, nevertheless because our relationship is strong and vital, we were able to do so...and it's a positive development."


and discussion at the link

[ArmandV]

^
One word: Nukes.

[Carlson]

a few other words

******* ***** stfu.. not you armand v..

you have no idea wtf goes on over here... any idea how much training i, we have to go through for the likelyhood of N Korea or China starting something?

[senseiman]

That whole "no two nations with a McDonalds have ever gone to war with each other" thing is no longer true. There was a McDonalds in Belgrade during the Kosovo war.

[Carlson]

i was wondering about that i have heard some of the Sgts 1 day talk about all the Diff McDs they have been to..

[Sukotto]

That whole "no two nations with a McDonalds have ever gone to war with each other" thing is no longer true. There was a McDonalds in Belgrade during the Kosovo war.


I stand corrected.




@Carlson,
I'm not calling into question the amount or quality of training you or
others go through.

I just question, why would China or North Korea attack South Korea, Japan, or the US (actual 50 states, or even boats/ships at sea/air in international seas/airspace? What would they have to gain from it?

We in the US have the number one military in the world, in dollars spent more than something like 1/2 the world's total, if not combined. It would be pure
suicide for any country to attempt to attack the US.

Even if the US were not in the picture.
Why would N Korea want to attack S Korea? Well, they are still technically
at war. This is true. But they were making peace in the 90s and then Madeline Albright had to rush over there as if to say, not unless we are involved. What's the deal? It's N & S's peace to make on their terms alone.
Even in South Korea in recent years people said the US was a greater threat to world peace than N Korea or the greatest threat to world peace in the world today. Look to the foreign press for these references. If I had more than 1 hour at a public online place, I'd look them up myself.

And does this seem so?
China - They are always talking about Taiwan and maybe they have a slight
border dispute with India and/or Pakistan, but the latter never shows up in
the news.

It seems to me we wouldn't have to war with either China or N Korea.
It is actually official US policy that there is "one China"

***Saturday, January 31, 2004
US senior official reiterates US adheres to one-China policy
http://english.people.com.cn/200401/31/eng20040131_133558.shtml

http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-se1588.html
***McCormack made the statement August 7 (year?)
U.S. policy with respect to China and Taiwan "is well-known, long-standing, and remains unchanged. We have a one-China policy and we do not support Taiwan independence," Sean McCormack, the spokesman for the National Security Council, says.


The US and China both have nukes.
While less nukes, no nukes in the world is always a better situation,
let us not be hypocrits.
N Korea is a sovereign nation, as all countries are.

Like the Dhali llama said, it is kind of undemocratic to allow some
countries to have nukes and not allow others to.

We should lead by example and get rid of our nukes first.

[Sukotto]

That whole "no two nations with a McDonalds have ever gone to war with each other" thing is no longer true. There was a McDonalds in Belgrade during the Kosovo war.


Oops. I too was "looking at the finger" and "missing the moon it was pointing to" (I think that's from some Chinese proverb or something). (or reading the words and missing the meaning)

While literally 2 nations with McDonalds have been at war with each other.
It is a matter of investments or business and resources owned by the powers.
According to my friend who read "To Kill A Nation" by Michael Parenti (and other books on Yugoslavia she read) Yugoslavia had a lot of state owned industries that they chose to not sell off to the corporations or individuals.
Unlike most other former Soviet block countries or eastern Europe communist countries which did choose to do this.

Thus, Yugoslavia being one that had kept a good portion of its industries state owned, and had a sort of working economy, was demonized and then attacked.
A regular pattern it seems:
"War Made Easy : How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471694797/103-5695492-5183022?v=glance) by Norman Solomon



but, back to the far east
the Japan Policy Research Institute (http://www.jpri.org/) publishes critical papers on the far east and receives no government or corporate funding. Their work imo, is quite honest and clear(er than I certainly).