Moi Dix Mois

[KoranRi]

Mana's great. ^__^ he scares people. not my bio teacher tho...anyhow....that wasn't really what I wanted to say. Does anyone know anything about Moi Dix Mois? All know is that it is Mana's new project. I'll prolly look for a good site later, but I'm pretty tired. (of course I'm just going to end up staying up anyways....) Kinda miss Malice Mizer though. My favorite was Kami.

[Lyn]

Im on vacations! ^_^
hmm I wanted to know does anyone have Siam Shade fine weather day Lyrics Ive been loking for them for a wile now and no results so if anyone can help it would be apreciated
:happy:

[JinsMoni]

Yep Kami was the cutie in Malice wasn't he ^.~ (can hear Gackt fans collectivly groaning) Anywho, Moi Dix Mois has since released one album as far as I know(I have a few sample tracks on my site under the media section) and a few choice sites for m10m info would be:
http://www.mana-sama.com
http://gothiclolita.free.fr/

Might also want to check out Eve of Destiny ^^

[BlackExodus]

M10M's vocalist's voice sounds a lot like Gackt's voice, but maybe a little bit richer. If you have a fast connection, if baka.dk is still accepting members, they might still have M10M's album available for download.

Lemme check real quick... ( takes a minute to skim the site)

Still there.

(Goes back to download mp3s and pvs)

Hope the info helps!

[PAIN]

I REALLY LIKE M10M... BUT... ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THEIR NAME?

MOI DIX MOIS?


ME TEN ...?
MY TEN...?

I LIKE A LOT "LA DIX CROIX" I PLAYED ONCE WITH MY BAND IN A CONCERT, BUT THE AUDIENCE DIDN'T KNOW M10M...

[Ami]

Moi dix Mois is alright. But I have to admit that the guy that does the vocals sure sounds a lot like Gackt! O_O But Gackt still sounds better! .-.

[insane_pink_tiger]

moi dix mois means 'me ten months' in french. i wonder why mana named his band that? :confused:

[KoranRi]

I'm going to have to listen to some then. ^__^ can't wait. ^^ I have to make a site for web design. I only get to have 1 page for Malice Mizer/Gackt. ^___^ That's one reason I was asking about Moi Dix Mois. Well besides actually being intersted. ^^
:) ;)

[Juicy]

http://scape.kichigai.info

it's got info on Moi Dix Mois >D

[KlahaXGackt]

You do know that "Moi Dix Mois" is suppose to mean "My 10 days" I think if I remember right it means something else...I was bored my senior year of high school looked up lots about J-rock... Okay no laughing anyone...but after listening to "Gardenia" for like 3 hours Klaha started to sound like Gackt... I like Juka's voice...I think if I listened to him sing for 3 hours I might mistake him for Gackt as well...I'll try it and see. I liked what I heard of M10M is reminded me a lot of Tetsu and Klaha MM Gackt I love him...I seriously do, but he was too romantic for Malice....

[Calamardabeatle]

Ok. Hi to everyone.
Moi dix mois, means really my ten months, not days.
they've released two albums.
dix infernal an other one I can´t remeber it's name now.
I totally recommend you dix infernal.
the song front et bassier will remeber you a lot malice mizer days. and you also be able to discover malice mizer roots.

[KlahaXGackt]

I know that it wasn't suppose to be "me" but it was originally intended to be "my"

[KlahaXGackt]

Well I think Mana is just bad in French...like I guess Gackt's suppose to be really good at it...but on the set of the Bel-Air PV shoot the actress was French and was speaking to him in French and he didn't understand...I read that somewhere...oh well he's still pretty romantic and well is like Mana...not good in French...but that's okay because we still love them anyway

[KlahaXGackt]

just the fact that they both try is really endearing...I'd like to have Gackt even try to speak to me in French....and Mana...well I've heard a clip of him speaking once....

[insane_pink_tiger]

:shock: you've heard mana's voice???? where did you find that clip????

[KlahaXGackt]

Yes...I've heard a clip of Mana's voice...I think degpiexoxo found it for me. If you want I can probably find if and I can post the addy for the site if I do...if not I can PM it to you

[X-Japan-FanGrl]

Originally posted by BlackExodus
M10M's vocalist's voice sounds a lot like Gackt's voice, but maybe a little bit richer.

i was just thinking that im sitting here listening to em lol

[KlahaXGackt]

*looks deep in thought* You know...maybe I agree with that Gackt and Juka's voices sound very close...but yet there is something about Juka's that's different....

[silver_ash86]

i think Gackt's and Juka's voice don't really sound alike... i mean, i can tell the diff easily... haha....

[KlahaXGackt]

it depends...I can tell Gackt's easily because he can jump full octives...Juka...well there's something different about his voice...but my mind won't place it....at least not what's so different sounding about it. Gackt can hit some pretty high notes...yet his speaking voice is deep

[Miyu shama]

hi hi...joined this place because of one topic I found accidentally, but since I kind of had to register myself, I might aswell add myself in here as the Moi dix Mois guru.
I love them, I adore them and I worship them!
planning my 8th live show close to christmas...
and I LOVE La dix Croix too!!!! Imagine how hard it was for me to have loved it since Dis Inferno live show and 4 more shows before it even was on any cd....I tried to "make" people understand the music because it was so obvious to me...but it was ofcourse not until it was released when people started likeing it...

[KlahaXGackt]

Of course...that's always how things work. You could be the only one to like something and then when it becomes popular everyone likes it...but think...you can say you "heard it first, and liked it before them..." Hey Insane_pink_tiger....ask Christine in the "Mana Talking!!!" thread for the addy of the sound file...she might know of it...it's been over a year since degpiexoxo gave me the addy and it was when I was at school....

[KlahaXGackt]

Okay then maybe you'd know this M10M guru....is Juka really a member of Schwarz Stein? There were rumors about him being one of the members of that band, one that Mana is also somewhat responsible for

[Christine]

I love the songs "Forbidden" and "Diaouluge Symphony".

[X-Japan-FanGrl]

i dont think its so much he sounds like gackt..i mean not that he doesnt..but...m10m has that..old skool mizer sound...reminds me of gackt more heh

[Miyu shama]

I'm very new to this place and I didn't get any message about anyone writing to the topic that was asked directly to me...so sorry for being late...
the Juka/Kaya thing is a long discussion...and I can't really tell because they never appeared at same place....But I know someone who is friend's to Kaya and I never heard they would be the same...also Kaya appears to be older than Juka, but still not revealed...and i get all crazy of thinking about it again, because this rumour has been around for the 1, 5 years which the band excisted and still nothing clearly....but we do know where Hora and Kaya are from since of before...so...and I know what Kazuno have for connection to Mana... but nothing that binds them to eachother between the bands....

[Miyu shama]

and about Moi dix Mois...
I am a huge fan of shazna....and I get all hyper to see IZAM smile on stage...
I am a fan of Mizer, and I get so happy to see Közi and Mana and Klaha in their new "solo's"
I am a Fan of Lareine and I love to see them live...
But No band ever affected me so much as Moi dix Mois....I adore them so much, it's not possible to tell exactly why....it's a obsession...it's just wonderful and the new stuff is GREAT!!!! there's around 6 new songs that will be revealed on the live dvd scars of sabbath 19th od december
one of them is Nightmare!!! I love it...and there is a REALLY freaking growling heavy heavy beat and it's so coool>_< and we have a third one I remember very well that has a refrain that sounds like it's "perish~or die!" and then their first slowmotion song!!! very beautiful... and some more quit "normal" dix songs....

[angrychan]

doesnt anyone take into consideration that Mana is the person behind Malice Mizer and Moi Dix Mois, dont you think that Mana has a particular sound that he likes? Most of the singers also look alike to. Mana invisions what he wants and he gets exactly what he askes for everytime. So really think of the band members as little marionettes and Mana the puppet master ^__^

[Enora]

Sorry to "interrupt" you but I was wondering if they will come in the United states as well??

Because they're coming to France in March...

[mizerable_d]

i was wondering if anyone can suggest some moi dix mois songs to me? im very curious...

[Illaparatzo-sama]

No, they won't be coming to the US. 1 France and 1 Germany show is all.

mizerable_d: The recent releases (Pageant, Nocturnal Opera) are very good, but it depends on your tastes. Dix Infernal, the first album, had a faster and heavier beat to it on nearly all of the songs. Dialogue Symphonie, their first single, was much like that as well. I like both songs from the DS single, DS and Forbidden. Very nice.

For Dix Infernal, I recommend Priere, Pessimiste, Gloire dans le Silence and Ange.

Hmm... I can't say I liked the Shadows Temple single all that much, but Night Breed was a particularly good song.

Nocturnal Opera. Nocturnal Romance, vestige and monophobia are beautiful songs, the latter in particular. Vizard(I REALLY adore this song <3), Perish and the Prophet are good for the harder side.

Pageant. A two track single, however the first track is an intro. About a minute long. Pageant itself is WONDERFUL. One of my top five MDM songs. I love it.

For an overall recommendation, I would pick:

Pageant
Vizard
the Prophet
monophobia
Dialogue Symphonie
Forbidden
Priere
Pessimiste
Night Breed
Gloire dans le Silence

Those should give you a good idea of how MDM's music is. Heavy on guitar, fast drums, lots of harpischord and organ.

Lydia

[mizerable_d]

thanks Lydia! ^^

[Leader-sama]

i like m10m(great sound)
(even when i dislike mana u_u")
in march they are in germany ^___^
I'll go there *jumping around*
who cares about 6-8 hours in a small car X'D

[Mana-sama]

hi, im mana-sama!!! *_* lol jk :P (i wish)
i just wanted to say that im obsessed with Moi Dix Mois! and if anyone ever wanted to really see and get into mana-sama's new project, you must watch Dix infernal-scars of sabbath dvd...^_^;; at first i just liked Moi Dix Mois but when i watched their dvd i became extremely obsessed with them! <3_<3

[Illaparatzo-sama]

I think once it hits three years it doesn't count as a new project anymore. :|

[Mana-sama]

-_-;; it's new to me 'cuz ive became a big fan of moi dix mois just this year.but still i dont think mana's project will ever become old to me cuz he keeps composing new stuff so its all good and new!! ^_^;; *nods* I Love mana-sama ^_^<333~~~

[Fureya Eriku]

Anyone into this band? I really like them, but prefer malice mizer.. Moi dix mois sorta reminds me of Cradle of filth for some reason.. But the bass solo (spiral) kicks! It is very primus alike and it really gets the groove going! :-)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Does anyone know if Mana's replaced Juka yet? And if so who's the new singer?

I don't like MDM too much because it's like Mana's ripping himself off. I listen to "Shadows Temple" a lot but beyond that I don't really listen to them. I wish Mana would try something new. Maybe not totally new but it feels like he's found one thing he's good at and therefor does nothing else. He's not not growing as an Artist.
I also do not like the fact that he originally got a vocalist that's a cheap-@$$-Gackt-rip-off. I mean you would have to be deaf not to realize that Juka's a Gackt rip off and we all know Mana's not deaf meaning HE KNEW. That really irks me.

And yeah sorry I'm being so hard on Mana and Moi Dix Mois but I cannot help it. They really irk me.

[Fureya Eriku]

Does anyone know if Mana's replaced Juka yet? And if so who's the new singer?

I don't like MDM too much because it's like Mana's ripping himself off. I listen to "Shadows Temple" a lot but beyond that I don't really listen to them. I wish Mana would try something new. Maybe not totally new but it feels like he's found one thing he's good at and therefor does nothing else. He's not not growing as an Artist.
I also do not like the fact that he originally got a vocalist that's a cheap-@$$-Gackt-rip-off. I mean you would have to be deaf not to realize that Juka's a Gackt rip off and we all know Mana's not deaf meaning HE KNEW. That really irks me.

And yeah sorry I'm being so hard on Mana and Moi Dix Mois but I cannot help it. They really irk me.


I dont know all that much bout MDM really... And I have never actually heard shadows temple.. must download..hehe.. I agree with mana not evolving that much.. he was soo much better in Malice Mizer when the format was soo different from each song, and MDM is indeed a band that is a ripp off from his darker side.. Ill go check out some more stuff bout MDM, but I like the music.. Nocturnal Romance is a very good song:-) Oh and Juka.. Is that the vocalist MDM has always had or?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Juka left the band awhile back but he was the original vocalist. *kicks Juka in the shin* RIP OFF ARTIST!!! :21:

*cough* Gomen. I just don't like Juka.

[lost]

i never really paid much attention to MDM...i like malice mizer though...well, is there any new news bout MDM?

[lastmagi]

I always thought I was the only one who was fairly unimpressed by MDM. Nice to see I'm not the only one.

I agree that Mana refuses to evolve or try anything new. I have both Dix Infernal and Nocturnal Opera and, sad to say, it takes a real effort on my part to listen to more than half a song. The redundancy of theme leads to boredom and predictability.

One of my many annoyances had to do with the drummer. Some people may find something good (I don't know what), but all I hear is repetitive banging. I don't mind Juka himself for sounding like Gackt exactly as much as I do Mana for using him to sound like Gackt, but that's probably implicit in what others have been saying anyway.

[Kinsao]

Hmmm, I don't dislike MdM exactly, but they are nowhere near as good as Malice Mizer. I can only listen to about 2 or 3 of their songs together and then I get bored with them. I agree with what has already been said, that Mana isn't really challenging himself anymore or evolving as a musician. I dunno why - maybe he just kinda lost that drive? :? - because I'm sure he's capable of better than MdM... but we're not getting it. :okashii:

I don't have this dislike of Juka because I don't know enough about him to know whether he's a Gackt-a-like or what (although I agree with Lastmagi that even if he is, it's more Mana's fault than his). Actually I think Juka has quite a good voice. It's not the individual skills that make me get fed up with MdM quickly, but just the way the songs are put together. It's monotonous.

Best to sprinkle them randomly in your playlists.

I like Mephisto Waltz and Monophobia, though. :-)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Like I said, Mana'd have to be m********king DEAF not to realize that Juka's a Gackt rip off. Mana isn't deaf meaning he KNOWS and probably got Juka on perpuse because he sounds like Gackt. Actually, he doesn't sound like current Gackt but very much like Artisticly-smothered-no-Artistic-Control-Malice-Mizer-emontionally-dead-prime-example-being-"Belair"-Gackt. And that brings me to ANOTHER reason I don't like Moi Dix Mois! They're supposed to be Mana's "Solo Project" *big roll of the eyes* and yet they're a band. WTF??? At least Gackt has himself, the Solo Artist, and then a band who plays WITH HIM. There's a difference between performing with a band and a band performing with you. And how the f**k can you call a band a "Solo Project" or call a "Solo Project" a band? YOU CAN'T. It's like Mana can't make up his mind which he wants. Or rather he wants the illusion of a band but he wants all the control. That's not a band! A band is a group of people who working together to creat something not one person dictating to others what he wants them to do. That is not a band, Mana. Nor a "Solo Project." It's neither. And that irks me. Mana needs to make up his mind which he wants; control or a real band.

[Fureya Eriku]

Like I said, Mana'd have to be m********king DEAF not to realize that Juka's a Gackt rip off. Mana isn't deaf meaning he KNOWS and probably got Juka on perpuse because he sounds like Gackt. Actually, he doesn't sound like current Gackt but very much like Artisticly-smothered-no-Artistic-Control-Malice-Mizer-emontionally-dead-prime-example-being-"Belair"-Gackt. And that brings me to ANOTHER reason I don't like Moi Dix Mois! They're supposed to be Mana's "Solo Project" *big roll of the eyes* and yet they're a band. WTF??? At least Gackt has himself, the Solo Artist, and then a band who plays WITH HIM. There's a difference between performing with a band and a band performing with you. And how the f**k can you call a band a "Solo Project" or call a "Solo Project" a band? YOU CAN'T. It's like Mana can't make up his mind which he wants. Or rather he wants the illusion of a band but he wants all the control. That's not a band! A band is a group of people who working together to creat something not one person dictating to others what he wants them to do. That is not a band, Mana. Nor a "Solo Project." It's neither. And that irks me. Mana needs to make up his mind which he wants; control or a real band.



If it is not a band, nor solo project.. then we call it a sideproject:p
hehe.. But there are alot of bands with only 1 of the members dictating mostly.. But mabe it is just the industries fault that Moi Dix Mois is like it is, and mana is like that.. Just think of it.. mana is a great sales-item really.. industry has probably found out that he is worth loads..heh..

..GOD I HATE THE MUSIC INDUSTRY TODAY!!

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Blame it on the music industry if you wish. But since when has Mana done something because the industry likes it? And just because others do it does not make it alright. I blame Mana for this mess.

[Kinsao]

But since when has Mana done something because the industry likes it?

The industry might have more control than we think.

I'm not saying that's a fact - it's just a hypothesis. Who knows how free any musician really is?

Ah well - it's not really a mess. It's just a band I (and Hyde!) don't happen to like so much as others. I can live with that. :p

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

But that's the tricky part, isn't it. Can you really call Moi Dix Mois a band? All they are is a handful of drones and Mana's ego.
And I don't see how Mana's control freak-ish-ness ties into the industry at all, by the way. I find it hard to believe the industry forced his inflated ego on him. Can you really say that the fact that Moi Dix Mois is neither a band nor a "Solo Project" is the industry's fault? I'm sorry, it's Mana's fault. He likes the IDEA of a band but not the reality. He wants the security of a band with all the control of a Solo Artist. He needs to make up his God***n mind which it is he truly wants. Either go Solo, and I mean SOLO, or actually have a real band not a bunch of Artistic Drones who'll do anything you say! The fact that he can't seem to choose, and I am sorry to all Mana and MDM fans, I truly am, but it is f**ked up.

Hontouni gomen nasai demo I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Mana. Right now I'm in my hate phase. Gomen. :gomen:

[Kinsao]

I don't love or hate Mana. I just think MdM is quite mediocre. I don't seriously dislike their music... I find it 'nice listening', but it doesn't grip me. As far as Mana goes, I don't think about personalities when I'm listening to music. :dance:

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Art and Artist are joined in my mind. You cannot have the Art without the Artist, the Art comes from in the Artist so to me they're one and the same. And it isn't that I'm saying Mana makes bad music (dude, I'm f**king addicted to "Shadows Temple") he just seems to make the same few songs over and over and over just with different lyrics. He doesn't change or evolve as I said before.

[Fureya Eriku]

Hmmm you guys have alot of good things to say:cool:
I like MDM in small doses, I love Malice Mizer anytim, and the rest I havent heard..(must get shadows temple).. But to mention complete industry drones outside japan..Linkin Park.. the total audition band and industry marionettes.. Loathe them really!
But back to the topic.. MDM have great musicians and it is the result of Manas ego as you say.. but how would it be if mana kept evolving and improving and changing the music? It is MDM after all.. A band that is pure Mana..
I think it is actually a band.hehe.. but does mana really controll the whole band?:okashii:

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

You just said the very controdiction I've been pointing out. It cannot be "pure Mana" and a band at the same time. For it to be "pure Mana" would mean a Solo Project for it to be a band it could not be "pure Mana." Bands are about give and take. So it cannot be purely one person's "band" that is not a band. That's egotism.
Linkin Park doesn't bother me as much because they write all their stuff and every member of the band pitches in. So what if they were auditioned? Big f**king deal. Actors have to be auditioned for roles, do you call THEM rip off Artists? No. Some bands are started by friends who wanna play together some just aren't. That doesn't make them any less valid. What would make it less valid is if someone auditioned people for their band, put the band together, but controled them all not making it a band but rather someone's ego and a handful of drones (yes, Mana I'm looking at you). Take U2 for example, I do believe Bono was auditioned to be in the band. Gackt auditioned to get in Malice Mizer. I could keep going but I won't, the list is endless. Do we call these bands invalid or rip off Artists for the fact that members were auditioned? No.

[Fureya Eriku]

You just said the very controdiction I've been pointing out. It cannot be "pure Mana" and a band at the same time. For it to be "pure Mana" would mean a Solo Project for it to be a band it could not be "pure Mana." Bands are about give and take. So it cannot be purely one person's "band" that is not a band. That's egotism.
Linkin Park doesn't bother me as much because they write all their stuff and every member of the band pitches in. So what if they were auditioned? Big f**king deal. Actors have to be auditioned for roles, do you call THEM rip off Artists? No. Some bands are started by friends who wanna play together some just aren't. That doesn't make them any less valid. What would make it less valid is if someone auditioned people for their band, put the band together, but controled them all not making it a band but rather someone's ego and a handful of drones (yes, Mana I'm looking at you). Take U2 for example, I do believe Bono was auditioned to be in the band. Gackt auditioned to get in Malice Mizer. I could keep going but I won't, the list is endless. Do we call these bands invalid or rip off Artists for the fact that members were auditioned? No.


Hmm... true true.. but still... Lets just go with calling MOI DIX MOIS a SIDEPROJECT? so it is no band, nor soloproject...

Btw.. actually many of the local bands are run just by 1 person of that band.. Like an old band I played in.. The last year the vocalist (who became a drummer when I left), took total control of everything from riffs till drumms ect.. Well... To the total "suprise" it all went to hell.. the last of those 5 years
But if gackt has musicians who plays his stuff for him under his name, and Ayu has hers ect, then..why can't Mana has his under another name than His own? Just want an oppinion..
Oh..and if u ever check out the norwegian metal scene.. there are alot of soloprojects that have other names than the persons name..
Like Isengard is Satyr Von Graven from Satyricons "soloproject"..
and the front person of the band I played in, had one he called Ravnsvarte..

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Let me say this one more time, there is a difference between playing with a band and a band playing with you. Gackt doesn't make the pretense of being in a band, he is a Solo Artist and a band helps him preform. You have Gackt (Solo) and then GacktJOB (band). Whereas with Mana it's simply Moi Dix Moi. If it was Mana (Solo) and Moi Dix Mois (band) then it wouldn't bother me at all. But as I've said many times now that is not the case.
As you just proved control freakism isn't good for art. It doesn't matter if a lot of bands do it, it's still f**ked up.

[Fureya Eriku]

Let me say this one more time, there is a difference between playing with a band and a band playing with you. Gackt doesn't make the pretense of being in a band, he is a Solo Artist and a band helps him preform. You have Gackt (Solo) and then GacktJOB (band). Whereas with Mana it's simply Moi Dix Moi. If it was Mana (Solo) and Moi Dix Mois (band) then it wouldn't bother me at all. But as I've said many times now that is not the case.
As you just proved control freakism isn't good for art. It doesn't matter if a lot of bands do it, it's still f**ked up.


heh.. Controll freaks are f**ked.. Shall we bury this discussion for now? You have gotten me to understand more bout tis thing... thanx:-)
But I still think the manaegotrippisitabandorwhatmoidixmois is a strange thing indeed..heh..
I just hope I get to see them live one day.. Does mana have other "bands" or soloprojects goin on?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

No, he does not. He produces bands on his label but that's about it besides MDM.

[Fureya Eriku]

No, he does not. He produces bands on his label but that's about it besides MDM.


What is this Shadows Temple you seem to mention?
From your point it sounds like a great band:-)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

It's not a band it's a song by MDM. It's the only one they've done that I can actually listen to on a daily basis.

[Fureya Eriku]

It's not a band it's a song by MDM. It's the only one they've done that I can actually listen to on a daily basis.

Cool.. Ill see if I have that one.. I listen rarely to MDM these days... I am more into x-japan these days.. had a period when I listened to Art of Life over and over again.. It just gets better everytime you hear it:-)
I just wish mana would change his format into something more variable..

[Kinsao]

A new album from Moi dix Mois out on 2006.3.1.
Beyond the Gate.
Apparently they have a new vocalist - or so it's thought. *hasn't checked*

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeay, Mana finally replaced Juka. Just as long as the new guy doesn't sound like a rip off of past MM vocalists we should get along just dandy. :-)

[Doll]

HEY!!! I've just found a short klip of mana talking! have anyone see it? I think his voice is not like... his dress :blush:

[-rika- shinya`]

everyone knows Juka's voice is like gackt n klaha but maybe Mana likes that sort of voice so he's been searching for vocalists who sounds like that. :souka: it's his project so he can do anything with it.. i think it's nice that Mana has found his direction of music in gothic style..after all, he was the one who started all the gothic scene in japan(or at least, played a big part in starting it) it's alrite if he wants to stick to making that type of music for as long as he wants to.. its my humble opinion..:sorry: i'm not crazy bout MDM songs but i do like bara no seidou ..even more than merveilles when it's released.. :p

[Kinsao]

I'll certainly be curious to know what the new stuff sounds like.
I hope to hear a movement from the previous stuff, rather then to continue with the same sound, but I guess they'll be doing what they want to do - not what I want them to do... :okashii: :D

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

everyone knows Juka's voice is like gackt n klaha but maybe Mana likes that sort of voice so he's been searching for vocalists who sounds like that. it's his project so he can do anything with it.. i think it's nice that Mana has found his direction of music in gothic style..after all, he was the one who started all the gothic scene in japan(or at least, played a big part in starting it) it's alrite if he wants to stick to making that type of music for as long as he wants to.. its my humble opinion.. i'm not crazy bout MDM songs but i do like bara no seidou ..even more than merveilles when it's released..

There's a difference between a TYPE of voice and then sounding like a carbin-copy of a singer.
And I am all for having one's own sound but it'd be nice if the individual songs themselves didn't all sound the same. :okashii:
And true he can do whatever the hell he wants...doesn't mean I have to like what he does however.

[-rika- shinya`]

wow.. looks like u are really.. anti-juka... :? or perhaps, anti-the new-mana(for intentionally making Juka sound like MM vocalists)? :sick:

hm..hopefully the new album(n new vocalist) will come out differently than expected...

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

There's noting "new" about Mana THAT'S what's bugging me.
I don't hate Juka per say I just hate Mana for bringing him into the "band." It's not always someone's fault that they sound like someone else. But the fact that he sounds JUST LIKE GACKT and yet Mana brought him into the "band" really, really, really irks me on a basic level. And I never said Mana was "making him sound like MM vocalists" (1. because he doesn't sound like MM vocalists) he's not "making him" sound like Gackt, Juka just does all by his lonesome. What I'm getting on Mana for is getting a vocalist that sounds like a Gackt-rip-off on perpose (and don't say he didn't know, he KNEW. You'd have to be stone deaf not to know and Mana is by no means deaf). Yes, Mana, you made your point. I get it. But honestly, did you have to go that far?

[Kinsao]

Maybe Mana just likes that particular type of voice. :o

[darkshadow]

But....The voice of the new singer and Juka's voice are....identical!!!!!!!!

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

DAMMIT MANA!!! *throws water bottle at Mana* That's it, I officially give up on Mana.

[-rika- shinya`]

geez.. i don't think u have to be so worked up. if u don't like it, then juz don't listen. you've made your point, we all know that..

Edit: oh,and um.. this is not gonna make any difference but..by the new-mana , i mean the mana after he left MM and formed MDM.. old-mana is when he was in MM.. :relief: .... something like that i guess.. sort of like miyabi and miyavi..

[Kinsao]

I liked Juka's voice. :o
I don't mind if the new person sounds like him... BUT I want their music to do something different! It seems they don't advance!
It isn't the vocal sound I object to... it's more the overall compositions and "sound".

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeah, that too. But the vocalist thing still bugs the crap outta me. And has anyone noticed that Mana seems to be unable to keep vocalists for more then a few years at a time? Not guitarists, not bassists but vocalists. Hm, now I wonder why that is?

[Kinsao]

I bet Mana is bastard to work with.
What am I saying? I mean work for.
Strange that it seems to be vocalists that have that problem. Maybe because Mana wants to keep his position as the "boss", and yet, as frontman, the vocalist tends to be looked at as "lead" even when he isn't? :?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeah, that too. And I mean if you count Kozi and K he's on vocalist number SEVEN!!! Good God, Mana! O.O

[Kinsao]

:giggle:
One of the reasons that I admire Kozi is that he actually manages to get along with Mana. O_o
I mean, they actually met and became friends and formed a band together... and then worked together... for years... :souka: :souka:
*serious respect*

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I don't know how he did it. He must be an Angel in human form or something. *bows down to Saint Kozi*

[darkshadow]

NEWS FROM MANA ON MODOUSHO#36:

"The new face with a self-made eye patch across his eye, almost like a mystifying pilot, is our vocal Seth!! His voice can sound enviously good. His trademark is the rapid hand bangs, and he is also said to excel in kitchen gardening. He currently has radishes growing. The wild, rough, and burly one is our guitar and voice, K. He changed models recently. The flowing red hair suits him, giving him a cool impression.
It is disappointing but Kazuno and Thoru, who have long supported Moi dix Mois, have decided to go their own way now. Kazuno says he wants to make his own music so I look forward to that.
The band members for the Montamour Limited-Members Concert, which will showcase the newly born Moix dix Mos, will be made up of these three members, plus the concert support members. Depending on the concept, this shall also change in the future.
The newly created sound, - Beyond the Gate - will include the instrumentals for all songs in its Limited Edition version, so it should be twice the more enjoyable. Once you have taken that in, you shall be fully prepared to take part in the long-awaited Montamour Limited-Members Concert. 2006 shall open new doors for Moi dix Mois.
Mana"

[Kinsao]

*bows down to Saint Kozi*

As should we all... :bow: :blush:

he is also said to excel in kitchen gardening. He currently has radishes growing.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
*gasps for breath*
That made me laugh hysterically.... I have no idea why. There's no reason in the world why the poor guy shouldn't enjoy a bit of gardening. *smacks self round head*
And I have been known to garden in a PVC corset before now... :souka: (oh, and pants - I did wear pants too! :D )

(I got so caught up in images of gardening I almost forgot what I wanted to say!)
It really sucks that Kazuno and Tohru are leaving, I think it could spell the death throes of Moi dix Mois as we know it.
On the other hand, it could lead to a new era of glory, with changes... Let's be optimistic! :relief:

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Oooh, my girlfriend's not gonna be happy about them leaving. :worried:

[Fureya Eriku]

As should we all... :bow: :blush:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
*gasps for breath*
That made me laugh hysterically.... I have no idea why. There's no reason in the world why the poor guy shouldn't enjoy a bit of gardening. *smacks self round head*
And I have been known to garden in a PVC corset before now... :souka: (oh, and pants - I did wear pants too! :D )

(I got so caught up in images of gardening I almost forgot what I wanted to say!)
It really sucks that Kazuno and Tohru are leaving, I think it could spell the death throes of Moi dix Mois as we know it.
On the other hand, it could lead to a new era of glory, with changes... Let's be optimistic! :relief:


All hail to st.Kozi :-)


Well... I am very curious about how things will turn out for MDM... after reading all the replies on this topic, I give them 1, top 2 more years untill they are byebye.. heh.. It really sucks that Kazuno and Tohru are leaving:(

[darkshadow]

Don't Worry Guys:::kazuno & Tohru Now Playing With Heath(x-japan)i'm Sooooo Happy!!!!!^^

[Fureya Eriku]

Don't Worry Guys:::kazuno & Tohru Now Playing With Heath(x-japan)i'm Sooooo Happy!!!!!^^

YOSH! URESHIIIIIIII:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[Kinsao]

Wow! :happy:
Thanks for the news.

[darkshadow]

HEATH....A MAN....A HERO!!!!!
[img=http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/9591/heath6xs.th.jpg] (http://img437.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heath6xs.jpg)

[darkshadow]

Mana's new look
http://manasamaaa.skyblog.com/pics/310220966.jpg

[Fureya Eriku]

ooooh.. he looks nice^^

[Masaka]

^^ I'm happy that Kazuno won't dissapear.
I personally don't think Seth sounds exactly like Juka...even if he does, there's no way of telling from 20 seconds of a song, most of which is music.

And maybe, JUST maybe, Kozi might have got along with Mana, because
get ready for this
Mana's a NICE person. *gasp*

-_-I only see Mana being controlling in MDM, and I think it's because it's his solo project...kind of like he's said it's his solo project. Alot. So if members don't like it, too bad, they knew what they're signing up for. ^^ Tee...hee. (I'm sorry if this has been said, but halfway through I gave up reading cause all it was was people yelling about Mana in capital letters)

Ok. That was my input. This is my first post in this forum, so ummmmmmmm yes. I felt I needed to say that.

[Kinsao]

Ooo thanks for the pic. :-)
And you are right Masaka, of course we can't know really what Mana is like in person. :souka:

[salt cube]

A live of Matenrou. The quality isn't good, but it's interesting.
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1YZK7NAL0KL5521WSXT30HTEEH

[Kyo_is_my_antidrug]

:( :( :( I personally love Mana. I also love MdM, and to me, none of their songs sound exactly alike. They all have the same STYLE, yes, but that is Mana's style. I think he has developed greatly as an artist. I love him, and he is such a huge inspiration to me BECAUSE he sticks to his own personal style. He doesn't let anyone else's opinion influence him or his music, and I think that's great. He is completely true to him self. And Masaka- I agree with what you said about the members. They knew what they were getting into. Mana has his own unique style, and like I said, he won't let others change that. I think that being in MM with Gackt really made him realise that. MM wasn't his solo project or anything- it was a band, and he was only part of that band. It didn't revolve around him. He couldn't have complete control over it. MdM however, revolves completely around him, so he can do whatever he wants.
Nobody shoot me- these are just my personal opinions.:relief:

[do you eat crapz?]

well, i cannot really blame Mana or be angry with him for his choice in vocalists. he can't help it, Mana is and always has been a control freak. But that is why i love him, he did help to start a huge gothic era for Japanese Music and style. Without him we would not have had many things! Also for a man that old, he knows how to stay hot!! :p
I LOVE all of Malice Mizer's music, i find it to be very unique. And I mostly love M10M cause it sounds like some twisted demented video game songs.

[Masaka]

^^ I completely agree with you, Kyo_is_my_antidrug ^^

[-rika- shinya`]

Also for a man that old, he knows how to stay hot!! :p
lol. :D i never thought about his age.was it something over 400 like gackt?:? and i never reali thought of mana as a man before.. ^^ *tries to think of mana as a hot old woman* :giggle:

[salt cube]

I don't like MdM's music as much as I like Malice Mizer's - I find the songs tend to sound more 'similar' - but I don't resent the fact that Mana does what he wants to do, just because it doesn't happen to coincide with my taste.

[Yokan]

I can see what you mean by it being similar to malice Mizers music. I don't think similar is the word thought, I think 'influence is the word. I downloaded of limewire last night, Schwarz Stein, kozi, Moi dix Mois and Malice Mizer music [And libertines and Rammstein]. I think all the music is influenced by the music of Malice mizer in some way, in each song. Especially in Moi Dix Mois.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Well, since my last posts in here I've come a bit out of my Mana Hater mode so I'll try and say this nicely *glares at certain members (you know who you are)* Yes, the members of Moi Dix Mois probably did know what they were getting into but does that mean it's okay? Not really no. See, MDM wouldn't bother me so much if it was Mana AND Moi Dix Mois kinda like there's Gackt and then there's GacktJOB, ya know? My girlfriend did make an excellent point last night against that however. Because she said it would be hard for that to work since Mana is the Lead Guitarist not Vocalist. But I think that's just thinking inside the box a bit (no offense, darling, you know I love ya) I not only think it could work but it would be cool to see a Guitarist really truly taking center stage. It's never really happened before.
About MDM's music all sounding the same...it's thin ice I'm treding on here so I'm gonna have to be very careful how I put this. Okay, I see MDM's music the same way I see Evanescence's music. Evanescence has found something, a formula, that works well and so that's all they use (just look at "Haunted" and "Hello" the first lines of the opening stanzas' melodies are almost exactly the same) and that is not to say all their songs are the "same" but they all sound similar to each other. Like the Guitar riff used in "Going Under" shows up in all their rock songs just in slightly different variations. MDM is the same for me. Like sometimes I'll be listening to them and think, "Wait, I've heard that beat before" and then I realize I have heard it before...in another of Mana's songs. I've even heard the exact same sound effect used in MDM songs that was used in Malice Mizer's "Baroque." Style is one thing, copycatism is another. I'm not saying Mana's always a copycat but sometimes I'll hear an MDM song and it'll make me so pissed 'cause it sounds like something esle he's done.
But before anyone jumps on me here as well for being "unkind" let me say this. I really believe Mana is going to go down in history with legends such as Mozart, Bach, Chopin, Dvorak, and Tschaikowsky. Because let's face it he is a musical genius. Now does that mean I like everything he's done? No. But then it's near impossible to like everything an Artist has done, I mean, even Chopin had his bad days. :-)

[salt cube]

Hm, I meant to say, that the songs of MdM sound similar to each other, whereas Malice Mizer, although they had their distinctive style, they produced songs quite different from each other, too (think Regret with Beast of Blood). But yes, I can hear the influences from Malice Mizer in there. And also in Schwarz Stein and Kozi. (Although Kozi not so much... It's more like his style was taken to MM, rather than the other way around - if that makes any sense. :bluush: )

It's something about the choice of intervals they use, I think, and also the timings. You can strongly hear the European classical influences there. Kozi seems more influenced by fairground-style music, movie soundtracks and contemporary European goth music.

Has anyone got any of the new MdM stuff? I haven't heard it yet.

Edit - Sorry, Hyde_is_my_anti-drug, you were posting at the same time as me so it looked like I totally ignored your post. >< I agree with you that MdM's music just sounds too 'samey' for me to love it. I would listen to maybe 2 or 3 of the songs, mixed in with something else.

I feel sad about that, because I think Mana had potential to make something much better. I wonder why it happens like this now? Did he just become concerned to make a living, and lose the artistic drive? Did he reach the limits of his composing ability? Was it a combination of those two things? No one can know.

But as for his relationship with the rest of Moi dix Mois, that's another thing no one can know. I agree that just because they consent to his way of doing things doesn't necessarily make it ok. Personally I think that becoming too controlling does stifle some important factor in a group. But just because he calls it 'solo project', and he is the most 'active visible' member (having record company and clothing label too) doesn't necessarily mean that he is a 'controlling' personality when you are actually working with him.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a 'supporter' of Mana, neither am I wanting to put him down. I just see him as one of those people where it's impossible to get any sense whatsoever of their 'real' personality, so therefore they feel very distant.

[do you eat crapz?]

I feel sad about that, because I think Mana had potential to make something much better. I wonder why it happens like this now? Did he just become concerned to make a living, and lose the artistic drive? Did he reach the limits of his composing ability? Was it a combination of those two things? No one can know.



Yea, I do beleive that Mana could really accomplish something even greater then what he has done.
But maybe he just wants to leave the JROCK world slowly, instaed of a sudden termination?? I doubt that that is true, it was just some strange idea of my friend...
Then again, we shall never know.

[Yokan]

The song Mephisto Waltz. I just played it there and thought it was Gackt in Malice Mizer! O_O

I can't really tell much about Mana now as I never really was much into his stuff....then i downloaded it last night and I think i love it! It kind of annoys me though the fact that every song seems to have derived from a Malice Mizer song.

With that in mind, I never really have liked Malice Mizer as they are now with Klaha on vocals and Kami dead. The Only song I have liked is Beast of Blood. Whereas I just about like every song in the Gackt Era that i have [I think all of them]. However, Schwarz Stein, the band which Mana did manage for awhile, don't really sound liek malice Mizer OR like moi Dix Mois at all. Well suppose that makes sense as Mana wasn't an actual performer in the band. But then again is his bossy behaviour.

Which brings me to another point. It may be his 'solo project' but the other band members are just like him. Trying to make something of themselves. So he should listen to their own ideas, instead of the band's sound and visual output only influenced by his ideas. That is perhaps why he fired those other two band members :o

I do get salt cube's idea of how Malice Mizer didn't sound the same in every song. Think 'illumanti' to 'au revior', or 'je tu veux' to 'Le Ciel', or even 'brise' to 'Madrigal'. Whereas just now listening through this album *looks at windows media* the NOCTURNAL OPERA album by MDM, they all just seem to sound the same. And this singer sounds very much like Gackt. O_O Then again he perhaps can't help it. In the sense it is how the songs were composed and intended to be like.

Just you saying about Classical music influence, there is definately evidence of Beetoven copying in the song 'Monophobia'. ^_^ *thinks this is his next favourite thread* :D

[R e i - R e i]

The only Mdm Song I can listen to is Solitude.
When I First Heard Mdm,I thought it was funeral music.
When I listen to it now,It seems like Halloween Music..I'm not Really into Mdm.
In Malice Mizer,Mana's Style Differed..but in Mdm,I find he Just wears,Darker,Blacker,More Gothier looking clothing.
no Doubt Mana is a Gorgeous and So Pretty he makes me Jealous man,But you're Right.

I always thought Juka and Gackt sounded Alike,But maybe that was the whole purpose,To bring some Mm Fans to like Mdm.

[Masaka]

Now, okay, I still stand firm in that it's Mana's solo project, and he can hug the limelight of it all he wants.
Because his PROJECT members, they don't seem to USUALLY be well known. Like Kazuno and Tohru leaving, I think Kazuno wanted to do his own thing, and Mana let him. Now if Mana tried to force him or threaten him to stay, then he'd be controlling.

So if project members don't like it, they can go. Mana probably won't stop them. In fact, he's probably helped them in letting them be in the project of such a well known person as himself. So, like that, if you don't like the music, just don't listen to it. Ranting about someone's downfalls for numerous posts when obviously not everone's going to agree (you know who you are) is not always needed.

[do you eat crapz?]

yes, this is pointless for their to be such an arguement about Mana's motives on a thread and for it to continue for this length of time. Maybe you could just drop it and discuss your LOVE for all mana's projects......cause i hate it when people argue for so long, it makes the threads seem so tense :(

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

See, I don't view this as an agruement. It's a discussion. Now if people were yelling and swearing right and left, sure yeah agruement but I don't think this is one. Also, this thread was started with the "what do you all think of them?" type thing which invites in ALL views. I think it's unfair to say those apposed have to just shut up about it. But that could just be me.

[salt cube]

We can discuss and still be nice. :p
People disagree about things like "Mana's motives", but it doesn't really matter. Some people would say, "we can never know them really, anyway, so there's no point in even talking about it", but it's human nature to be curious and speculate about these things and there's no harm in it (unless it becomes spreading untrue rumours, which this thread isn't). :relief: If we didn't speculate on things we know nothing about, hell, most of the content of the j-rock threads would vanish!

It's not necessary to like Mana or his music in order to post here, either. It can become boring if everything is just an agreement-fest, right? Just as long as the opinion is expressed politely and isn't just mindless Mana-dissing, that's OK.

Sniping at each other is a waste of time.

I wish I could say something about the new MdM music, but as I still haven't heard it, I can't. I need to get my ass in gear! :bluush:

[Yokan]

what's the new MDM music called, anyone know?

[salt cube]

Apparently it is called Beyond the Gate.

[Yokan]

Thanks, but I can't find it on limewire...:( *scurages forums on google*

[Masaka]

No one has to stop disagreeing. I just said it wasn't nessesary all of the time, because it just seemed like Mana was being badgered in the topic. I didn't mean for it to sound like opinions shouldn't be noted, and I'm sorry if it did ^^;
Actually, saying that he shouldn't be badgered as much was my own opinion. So according to you, I should say it if I want to. ^^
So yes. Once more, sounding like their opinions should not be noted was not my intention.

And um...the only new music I know is around is the sample clip at the beginning of the website.

[Nana007]

I have never been a huge Mana fan. I like him and his style, and the effect that he has had on the Japanese Rock scene is huge, but he really never grabbed my attention. I loved MM both Gackt and Klaha eras, and your correct Malice Mizer had a distinct sound. I remember someone in the Diru thread says that even without hearing vocals just by hearing the music it was a Dir song, thats the same way it was for me with MM, you just instantly knew.

When I heard MDM I thought its okay, but it was just a little bit monotone when You are listening to it you think "Haven't I heard this before" and it gets old. Its like same music, same vocals, just the same. Even though I'm not like a huge Mana fan I really wanted him to suceed because you can't deny the man is a genious. But its like once he found his niche he is afraid to do anything else. Like once he found what he was good at, he didn't want to try anything else but what he knew he could do there is nothing wrong with doing what you feel comfortable with but sometimes Comfort=Safe=Boring.

[Kyo_is_my_antidrug]

See- I completely disagree. I dont think that he is AFRAID to try anything else. Again, this is why I adore him- He is completely true to himself. The reason that he doesnt do other kinds of music is simple. Those other styles simply aren't HIM. Its not like his style of music is his comfort zone, its just the style that he loves to use. And again, Masaka, you are absolutely correct. If the members of MdM didnt like the way the band worked, they could leave. And Mana obviously wasn't horribly uptight about it either. He said that it was sad that they were leaving, but that he looked forward to their future work. He still supports them, and this was a wonderful way to create a name for themsleves in the J-rock industry. If it wasn't his solo project, then there's no way he would be able to be as in-charge and controlling as he is, but it is HIS solo project. He is the boss, and they knew that going in. And also, some people simply work better with others making decisions for them. Some people just function that way; they are born followers, just as people like Mana are born leaders. Some people dont WANT much control. Now, we dont know Kazuno, Tohru, K, or Juka, but they might have been perfectly fine with that arrangement. And if they werent, then they could leave.

[Nana007]

Im not talking about him being dictorial, he can be dictorial all he wants it is HIS project, if I am working with a group I act as if Its a group and everyone makes decisions. But if it is something that is MINE I will have complete 100% control over it because it is MINE. So that doesn't bother me. I am just talking about how all the music sounds the same. I am not saying he has to change his style because I personally love his style I am just saying you can still do Gothic Music with heavy european influence But I am just saying change the sound up a little because when I listen to more than one MDM song consecutively I get bored with it.

[Fureya Eriku]

Well, since my last posts in here I've come a bit out of my Mana Hater mode so I'll try and say this nicely *glares at certain members (you know who you are)* Yes, the members of Moi Dix Mois probably did know what they were getting into but does that mean it's okay? Not really no. See, MDM wouldn't bother me so much if it was Mana AND Moi Dix Mois kinda like there's Gackt and then there's GacktJOB, ya know? My girlfriend did make an excellent point last night against that however. Because she said it would be hard for that to work since Mana is the Lead Guitarist not Vocalist. But I think that's just thinking inside the box a bit (no offense, darling, you know I love ya) I not only think it could work but it would be cool to see a Guitarist really truly taking center stage. It's never really happened before.
About MDM's music all sounding the same...it's thin ice I'm treding on here so I'm gonna have to be very careful how I put this. Okay, I see MDM's music the same way I see Evanescence's music. Evanescence has found something, a formula, that works well and so that's all they use (just look at "Haunted" and "Hello" the first lines of the opening stanzas' melodies are almost exactly the same) and that is not to say all their songs are the "same" but they all sound similar to each other. Like the Guitar riff used in "Going Under" shows up in all their rock songs just in slightly different variations. MDM is the same for me. Like sometimes I'll be listening to them and think, "Wait, I've heard that beat before" and then I realize I have heard it before...in another of Mana's songs. I've even heard the exact same sound effect used in MDM songs that was used in Malice Mizer's "Baroque." Style is one thing, copycatism is another. I'm not saying Mana's always a copycat but sometimes I'll hear an MDM song and it'll make me so pissed 'cause it sounds like something esle he's done.
But before anyone jumps on me here as well for being "unkind" let me say this. I really believe Mana is going to go down in history with legends such as Mozart, Bach, Chopin, Dvorak, and Tschaikowsky. Because let's face it he is a musical genius. Now does that mean I like everything he's done? No. But then it's near impossible to like everything an Artist has done, I mean, even Chopin had his bad days. :-)


Nicely said^^ Mozart has his really bad days to... wich lead him to his death.. ^^;;

[Fureya Eriku]

yes, this is pointless for their to be such an arguement about Mana's motives on a thread and for it to continue for this length of time. Maybe you could just drop it and discuss your LOVE for all mana's projects......cause i hate it when people argue for so long, it makes the threads seem so tense :(

This thread is indeed tense.. Myself, I really like Moi Dix Mois, all Malice Mizer eras and personally think of Mana as an Idol.. He is dominating yes, and perhaps a total **** to work with.. but still.. he has lead the bands he has been in to theire glorys..
I am just soo curious to hear the new stuff from MDM and especially of those who joined Heath^^ (x-japan wa saiko desu^^ hehe)

[Fureya Eriku]

Im not talking about him being dictorial, he can be dictorial all he wants it is HIS project, if I am working with a group I act as if Its a group and everyone makes decisions. But if it is something that is MINE I will have complete 100% control over it because it is MINE. So that doesn't bother me. I am just talking about how all the music sounds the same. I am not saying he has to change his style because I personally love his style I am just saying you can still do Gothic Music with heavy european influence But I am just saying change the sound up a little because when I listen to more than one MDM song consecutively I get bored with it.

Well.. Goth is Eurpean^^ But what I like about his style is that he has created a sorta new form of goth..Well...Cradle of Filth does have a sorta similar music style though, but mana put more weight on the classical barouqe sound in it and added clean vocals.. For me it is the form of music I always wished for..and got:-)
When it comes to controlling a band.. I know well of it! Like my band now.. I am the vocalist and I am almoust in total control.. but that is mostly becuase our guitarist can write riffs but not songs.. Me and him compose the songs though, but when we practice, I feel like I am telling them do this do that all the time, but they are compleatly ok with that actually.. Probably the same situation as MDM...

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

"Okay" doesn't normally equel half your band leaving but ya know I'll let that go for Kyo's sake.

[salt cube]

I guess they must have left because they weren't happy in the situation. They were free to leave, and they did it.
I hope they have success and produce some interesting music, and Mana finds good replacements!

[Fureya Eriku]

"Okay" doesn't normally equel half your band leaving but ya know I'll let that go for Kyo's sake.

Just got a new guitar player to join the others.. so from now I am letting the writing in theire hands.. Actually sometimes I just dont know what is soo good about dominating a band, but sometimes I do understand..:?
Must be hard for Mana actually.. Coz writing music is very hard work!

[Yokan]

I'll be in a band soon i think. Well, until are drummer can get a set of drums - and i need a guitar obviously. :D Still bribing mum... :okashii: should be getting it either this week or somewhere like next week. in the mean time, i can be an air guitar pro! :D

That's great news about your band!

Mana doesn't also have the problem with writing music. He also has the ..
promotion
stage setting
stage performance
bands fashion, ie - should it be in a lolita gothic style or something else?
what member does what.
where money goes.

that's about it I think. :)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

*points at Yokan's member title* "The Stink Spirit" :D my God, that's brilliant :lol:

[Yokan]

haha. It's a Joe Hisaishi song from Spirited Away [Sen to Chiro no]! :D

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeah, I know what it is that's why I was laughing

[Kinsao]

Hmmm, I was listening to Pessimiste today while taking my Christmas tree down ( :D ) and enjoying it... :dance:
That song is a bit Schwarz Stein-y!
But Moi dix Mois is a band that I can only listen to a couple of songs in a row.

Has their new stuff (Beyond the Gate, I mean) actually come out yet, or is it still in sample form, so to speak? I'm so behind on all that...

[Fureya Eriku]

I'll be in a band soon i think. Well, until are drummer can get a set of drums - and i need a guitar obviously. :D Still bribing mum... :okashii: should be getting it either this week or somewhere like next week. in the mean time, i can be an air guitar pro! :D

That's great news about your band!

Mana doesn't also have the problem with writing music. He also has the ..
promotion
stage setting
stage performance
bands fashion, ie - should it be in a lolita gothic style or something else?
what member does what.
where money goes.

that's about it I think. :)


Good luck on the band! Practice well, and I tell you.. there is nothing as good as a great gig! When u see people stagedive and go crazy for you.. just makes me all exited and feel great!
And I know soo well of those problems!
But since I have my gift of being born creative, I manage to solve them before the problem occures(sp)^^
I am so glad that I study Commercial, Illustration and design^^
If I dont succeed in music or fashion, I soo want to rigg up and make ideass for stageshows ect^^

[Kyo_is_my_antidrug]

Their new album comes out the first of March. And I can understand what you're saying about the music sounding so similar, because Mana-sama does kinda have the Evanescence syndrom sometimes. Its different enough that it doesn't bother me at all, but I can understand where you're coming from. On a random note- I just got their European tour on dvd a few days ago, and it's so awesome!^^ I feel sorry for Juka though, because it seems that his ear-piece wasn't working right for most of the performance... @_@ And K is beginning to grow on me too; he used to scare me...>_<

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeay, Evanescence has it's own syndrom! Woot! :yeahh:
And yeah, poor Juka-kun.

[Fureya Eriku]

Yeay, Evanescence has it's own syndrom! Woot! :yeahh:
And yeah, poor Juka-kun.

Think Evanessance is the quite booring indeed, bloody nu metal!.. but afer a while with Moi Dix Mois one does find that there are variations in theire songs^^And I think forbidden has grown quite well on me^^

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I personally love Evanescence but that's just me. Even though I do have some of the same issues with Evanescence that I have with Moi Dix Mois, but overall I find Moi Dix Mois slightly more so in the "repeat" department.
And variations aren't enough. A variation as a musical term means something slightly different from another of the same type or one of a series of forms based on a single theme. Frankly, variations aren't enough because a variation is taking the same thing and only changing it slightly. That's spliting hairs to say all Moi Dix Mois isn't the same because Mana uses slight "variations"

[Fureya Eriku]

Well.. there are probably a million bands that keeps the same format.. Moi Dix Mois is one of them. Think of bands like Slayer, Canibal Corpse, Cradle of Filth, Mad Sin, HIM ect.. Those are bands that rarely has or never have changed theire format. they use variations in theire songs but still try to keep the same feeling to everything. I think one of the reasons people dont like that MDM has the same format, is becuase of Malice Mizer. They had like almoust a new format for each song..
Well.. its all a matter of taste really.. some like the great differences, some dont, and others both^^

[do you eat crapz?]

i also like Evanescence, i think they are awesome to come out with some music completely unlike anything else that is "Popular"
but it is very sad that they aren't doing anything else, they really were talented, and Amy Lee has such a great voice.....

[Fureya Eriku]

i also like Evanescence, i think they are awesome to come out with some music completely unlike anything else that is "Popular"
but it is very sad that they aren't doing anything else, they really were talented, and Amy Lee has such a great voice.....

she is really a good vocalist, but she sounds too common and I really dont like the backing vocals! (after my opinion, please dont hate me!)
Btw.. what did happen to Evanesscence?

[VisualDarkness]

Why does everybody complain about Mana, mayby he just has found his true self and want to stick to it. You need too remember that they want to spreed their music to Europe and in europe things are more mainstream.

[Fureya Eriku]

Why does everybody complain about Mana, mayby he just has found his true self and want to stick to it. You need too remember that they want to spreed their music to Europe and in europe things are more mainstream.

Its good that he found his true self^^ I soo want to see Moi Dix Mois when they come to berlin in march^^ Oh! and next week Im getting Nocturnal Opera ltd 1st edt^^ yay! and I am soo going to get At the Gates! The new Vocalist looks awesome!

[Jent]

The only Mdm Song I can listen to is Solitude.
When I First Heard Mdm,I thought it was funeral music.
When I listen to it now,It seems like Halloween Music..I'm not Really into Mdm.
In Malice Mizer,Mana's Style Differed..but in Mdm,I find he Just wears,Darker,Blacker,More Gothier looking clothing.
no Doubt Mana is a Gorgeous and So Pretty he makes me Jealous man,But you're Right.
I always thought Juka and Gackt sounded Alike,But maybe that was the whole purpose,To bring some Mm Fans to like Mdm.



I agree with everything you have to say.

I don't think that they necessarily sound bad, but they just don't have the charm that MM did. On Mana, I adore him, but I think maybe going from being in the spotlight, to being yesterday's news is a bit of a disappointment for him. Not that I'm defending him really, because I agree with much of what has already been said.

I don't think that we'll ever see a band that was as good as Malice Mizer.

[VisualDarkness]

Are you planning to see them in Berlin?

[Fureya Eriku]

I am planing to go, but I dont realy have anyone to go with that knows berlin.. pluss I seriously need to save the money for it! will cost me bout 3000NOK.

[Kinsao]

I'd love to see them in Berlin, but I'm saving up my money because I want to see MUCC! :silly:
It's a shame I can't do everything, though...

[VisualDarkness]

I wish they'll come to Sweden though things would much easier then.

[Kinsao]

I'm still interested in Moi dix Mois, and especially to hear what their new single sounds like. But I have to admit *makes small voice* I shall probably download it before I decide whether or not to buy it (because MdM, I am sorry to say for big fans, is not the highest on my prioritys list). :sorry: But I'm very interested about their new vocalist and I hope he is good! :p Also I want to know what they do for drummer and bassist... :(

[VisualDarkness]

Usually I download everything that sounds interesting before buying it but if i like it I'll buy it to show my gratitude to the artist. File sharing is very good in that case becouse you'll never be disappointed with an album.

[Fureya Eriku]

If Moi Dix Mois came to sweeden it would be soo much easier for me.. heh.. probably just as expencive though but.. I have everything from MDM downloaded.. but I have just listened to the Scars of Sabbath. I like to be the one to get suprised.. I like to wait for something good^^

[VisualDarkness]

Yeah but 300kr-500kr for something I doesn't like.........that's a real wild card!

[Child_prey]

I think their new singer is anmed K.... I know nothing about him, just hear that he is a marilyn manson replica....

I kind of liked Juka, he was an OK singer. He couldn't hit those high notes on lives and he does remind me of Gackt. Which just confirms my belief that Gackt was the best thing that happend malice mizer.

I don't like Mana. I like the gothic lolita style but not the man himself. I don't hate him though.... he has nice guitars. and clothes (some of them)

I would want to see them live, but now that Juka is gone... I probably wouldn't go, maybe if they came to my town but I wouldn't travel anywhere...

[Fureya Eriku]

Yeah but 300kr-500kr for something I doesn't like.........that's a real wild card!

thinkin bout concert or albums? heh.. I have to save up 3000kr if Im going to berlin.. doh! and If I dont go, Ill just get myself a new outfit^^

[do you eat crapz?]

i like mana, and you people are being so mean to him!!! So what if he goes thru vocalsist really quickly and you think that they all sound the same, i still love hime and all his projects!!!

[Kinsao]

So what if he goes thru vocalsist really quickly and you think that they all sound the same, i still love hime and all his projects!!!

Well said!

I'm not a huge Mana fan, but you deserve kudos for the clear articulate post! :cool:

[VisualDarkness]

Mana is successful so stop complaining

[Fureya Eriku]

Mana is successful so stop complaining
To altso mention a great designer^^ he did all the scene stuff and fashions for Both Malice Mizer and Moi Dix Mois.. he truly works hard and deserves to be praised^^

[VisualDarkness]

if he made something that didnt look so lolita im shure i would ware it

[Hide My Heart]

I dunno, I think the Gothic Lolita thing is all thats saving him right now.

Personally I'm a little worried about his financial status. I mean, if you read Gackt's Autobiography he lets on that there were some money issues going on.

It seems to me that like Malice Mizer, Moi Dix Moi is a band that can't be sepperated from its visuals without loosing something. Not to say that MM's sound wasn't the best thing to hit the earth at the time (because it was :blush: ) But MdM is just too much of a MM copy for its own good. I know I know, there's been the big conversation over using the same vocal sounds and what not, but none of that really hurts. Whats hurting the band is that the creativity is *stagnant*. They're not progressing anywhere artistically. There's only so far you can go with a certain sound before you have to inject some fresh blood into it (pun intended).

[VisualDarkness]

I dunno, they want to get their music popular in Europe but its only half-harted. Mana has to let some other people do some of the job in the band becouse its probably to much work for one person.

[Hide My Heart]

Yeah, they're really strung out about getting their music out in Eruope. I went and saw them in Germany and it was pretty intense. It seemed as if they had a big audiance. :happy:

[VisualDarkness]

What do you think of that Mana does everything himself good/bad why?

[Hide My Heart]

I think it's good that he sticks to his own vision and dosen't make any compromises however that can also be a difficult type of person to lwork with. I think things would be easyer if he were the singer instead of the guitarist. Even though he keeps stating that this is HIS *SOLO* project it can still be frusterating to be doing al this work when all of your fans ae screaming for one person. I can see it happening if they didn't call themselves a band. That way it doesn't seem likeanything erminant, but I suppose it must be VERY frusterating.

Also doing something all on your own and not allowing any outside influence can be a bit bad too don't you think? I go back to my earlyier statement of how they wern't really progressing artistically and that may be the reason. However people that are usually that focused rarely let outside opinions influence them.

Either way I still admire the heck out of the guy and want to shmecks him up, so good or bad I'll still follow blindly. :p

[VisualDarkness]

I also has to admire all his support members who does does a lot of work but never get enough gratude for it. My theory is that an artist can lock him-/herself
up in a room and do all his/hers stuff without the rest of the worlds influence for a wile but as time goes the level of creativity will decrease due no more inspiration. On the other hand, you cant see the soul in the artists performance if the artist doesnt do anything him-/herself. The tricky thing is to balance the two alternativs and thats the thing Mana needs to work with.

[Hide My Heart]

Mmmmm, indeed.

I think Mana overall is just a very closed off person, which isn't bad in its self. But I think its something that, for him at least, is something very harmfull.

He speaks about it as if it were a disease and says that it hinders him in his relationships with others which means its time he needs to do something about it before it gets out of hand. The one place think it's really becomming apparent is in his music.

Don't get me wrong though! I love his music and already have preordered the next album. But as a big fan I'm jst showing some concern.

[VisualDarkness]

I'm also a Moi Dix Mois freak. I dunno its a problem that he needs to work with and i think that a bit criticism could help the poor guy to realise that this is a serious problem but its not an uncurable desease.

I thinking of geting the limited edition to but i cant find a german shop to buy it from....

[Hide My Heart]

I'm lucky enough to have a store that was willing to do it all for me, but most people I speak with had to order theirs on line. Maybe you could do that? If you want I can see if I can find a good place to order from.

[VisualDarkness]

i can gat it from japan but the shippang cost is huge!!!
I spell bad:okashii: ......i can get it from japan but the shipping cost is huge:( !!!

[Hide My Heart]

lol Are you kidding me? You spell better than I do and its my native language language!

Ugh! I know! Its costing me a pretty penny as well... its best not to think about it. Well...you could always download it.

[VisualDarkness]

But its not the same thing.....you want to have the feeling of helping your favourit artists. I could download it it listen to it first then download it but i want the limited edition. Which version did you buy?

[Hide My Heart]

Regular. Me so poor! :bawling:

Yeah, it's never really the same, but some times untill you can get things in order its the best option you have. I had to settle foe downloading when Dir en Grey's last album came out. Which lasted for about 3 months, so it sucked big time. Thank goodness I finally found a copy! :-)

[do you eat crapz?]

i feel so deprived, i only own Nocturnal Opera, and haven't even heard any of dixinfernal!!! :( :(
i must buy it!! mwhahahhahahmwwhahahahaha!! it is my new goal.....*maniacal laughter*

by the way...does anybody know a site that i can buy it from that is already imported....

[Hide My Heart]

Um, I'd try a bookstore's american site such as Kinokuniya or Asahiya, they're usualy really good about those things. Kinokuniya in particular.

[do you eat crapz?]

okay then, thankyou :p

[Hide My Heart]

No prob! Err..although you're probably going to have to end up paying full price though....:relief:

[do you eat crapz?]

tis okay, i just hate importing things, i have had really bad luck with that....

[Hide My Heart]

Sounds like a story if I've ever heard one. Could this have to do with the sorrid past about your nocturnal opera cd?

Or you could just wait and get an ever anime copy you know? My nocturnal opera is one and I'm perfectly satisfied. My friend has the origial and after compairing them Ican say that there's honestly not that much of a difference.

[do you eat crapz?]

it is sadly about a hyde cd that when it reached my house the cd was shattered :( and they would only refund my shipping and not the cost for the cd....evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil!!!

[Hide My Heart]

OMG! I'm so sorry!

[do you eat crapz?]

i was very depressed and then yelled on the phone alot, but then i found the cd on amazon for much cheaper, so i got over it :-)

[Hide My Heart]

Because it is Mana this time I sense his awesome vibes shall enfold you and allow you to get your cd in one peice.

[VisualDarkness]

Because it is Mana this time I sense his awesome vibes shall enfold you and allow you to get your cd in one peice.
Mana is a mysterious magician you know:blush: :-)

[Hide My Heart]

Yep, he hasnt achieved he virtual diety status of fellow rival Gackt yet. But he's still a force to e reckoned with with his underground "secret" army of clones and all.

[VisualDarkness]

Yep, he hasnt achieved he virtual diety status of fellow rival Gackt yet. But he's still a force to e reckoned with with his underground "secret" army of clones and all.
I won't sleep very well tonight:souka:

[VisualDarkness]

I won't sleep very well tonight:souka:
That guy is really creepy......

[Hide My Heart]

LoL

Don't worry he wont get you. Thats why Mana *has* the secret underground army: to keep you safe.:-)

[VisualDarkness]

LoL
Don't worry he wont get you. Thats why Mana *has* the secret underground army: to keep you safe.:-)
I've heard (found out) that Beyond the Gates has hidden hypnotizing message that makes you a slave under Mana:souka:








NOTE: Nothing is true:cool:

[Hide My Heart]

No no! It is all true! :giggle:

In fact I'm starting up a xanga devoted to uncovering such truths (and other misc stuff). We must all be wary!

( http://www.xanga.com/J_Mock )

One day soon the clone army shall be big enough to finally storm Gackt's pretty boy windowless hide out and a new king of Japan shall be named.

[Hide My Heart]

Hee hee!

What o they speak in sweeden? I have no idea. :clueless:

I think Mana would be proud of us for putting so much effort into this. Apparently whenever he is interested in something he also puts a lot of effort into finding out all he can about it.

[Kyo_is_my_antidrug]

erm... oookay... *inches away* If you want cheap J-rock, go to ebay. Ive had a lot of good experiences with them. I got some Miyavi and Dir en Grey cd's from them, and theyve been in really good shape, really cheap, and still in the original packaging. I also got my MdM tour dvd from there.

[Hide My Heart]

Yeah, I've found some good deals there too but I've always ended up paying more for shipping than the actual product seeing as how most of it is comming from some back woods provence in Malaysia or something. Either way its been preordered for me so....I guess I'm just really anxious to see and hear the new vocalist. Otherwise I would just wait untill my local anime shop got in their happy little bootlegs. :-)

[VisualDarkness]

I found a German shop......really cheap for me

[Fureya Eriku]

if he made something that didnt look so lolita im shure i would ware it


He does make EGA(Elegant Gothic Aristocrat) fashion.. thats what Moi Dix Mois is about.. the lolita style of mana went out with Malice Mizer.. but it would be cool if he came back to it.
Oh and I am going to Berlin now after all! GOT TICKETS TO MOI DIX MOIS ON MANA'S BIRTHDAY! WEEEEE^^

[do you eat crapz?]

I adore both EGA and EGL, and i think it would be so awesome if there was an aristocrat band with no lolita, but i would not liek M10M to be like that cause mana should ALWAYS be lolita, ALWAYS!

[VisualDarkness]

I adore both EGA and EGL, and i think it would be so awesome if there was an aristocrat band with no lolita, but i would not liek M10M to be like that cause mana should ALWAYS be lolita, ALWAYS!
But just Mana then?

[do you eat crapz?]

*imagining kazuno in a dress* hahahahahaha :D :D :D yes, definately just mana :D :D :D

[Hide My Heart]

I really liked the theam for the laxt album of old mana being seduced by new mana, I wrote this big article on what I though it represented in a frudian way for him and I think it still stands. It was really beutifull to see the uniting of the two parts.

[Fureya Eriku]

I adore both EGA and EGL, and i think it would be so awesome if there was an aristocrat band with no lolita, but i would not liek M10M to be like that cause mana should ALWAYS be lolita, ALWAYS!

Well.. the whole band is EGA, but I wish that Mana would go back to lolita.
But I am really satisfied with the new looks^^Cant wait to see them live^^ and I just got a note that the set-list will be of new and old songs^^yay! sometimes bands just play the newest songs.. wich ends up quite booring after awile.

[Hide My Heart]

Personally I love the new look. I think its more about Mana finding out who he is and comming into a sense of *self*. I think Mana is more himself than ever now. I always got the vauge impression that the EGL was just another way for him to hide and now he's comming out of his shell a bit more. Not that I don't like EGA and EGL heck I even own one of his dresses (the label he owns, ot one of his actual..oh never mind, anywho...)

[VisualDarkness]

As a guy, I dont like the female look at all but i like thier style.

[Hide My Heart]

Meh, it's understandable. It's whatever you're comftorable with. Me personally? I love all my EGA and EGL dresses and what not. Style and comfrt baby! Booya! lol :blush:

[VisualDarkness]

yeah but i think they would be bigger in the world if they got a little more masculine (exept Mana)

[Hide My Heart]

Hmm well its all up to the designers. there are mant different clothing brands in japan and all of them cater to a different taste. there are clothes as you describe, they're just not put out by mana thats all.

[VisualDarkness]

looking at some live clips...so dark...creeping horror...and the light......I LOVE IT

[Hide My Heart]

???? :clueless: What clips?

[VisualDarkness]

just short clips from dix infernal

[Hide My Heart]

I havent been able to find any OV's or anything. Someone said that that was because there WERN'T any. But that cant be true....right? CAould somebody help?

[Fureya Eriku]

Hmm well its all up to the designers. there are mant different clothing brands in japan and all of them cater to a different taste. there are clothes as you describe, they're just not put out by mana thats all.

Mana is the desigenr he did fashions for Malice Mizer too, then opened Moi Meme Moitie think he altso does the stage settings ect:-)

[Hide My Heart]

?

lol Yes mana is a very good designer. I own one of his dresses and several other clothing items as well. They set me back in rent (:( ) but I dont regret it.

I just think that most people think : moi memem moite when they think of gothic lolita and dont think of (or know of) other brands that offer alternatives such as baby the stars shine bright which offers sweet lolita. Or metamorphose, or h naoto, ect ect (is tempted to list a million other brand names ha ha :blush: )

[Fureya Eriku]

heh.. and offcource those adorable Mary Jane shoes^^
A friend of mine just ordered some dresses via net. envy her.. I want to order som arristocrat chlotes from a place here in Norway called wolfslair^^ They are really good on typical victorain fashion^^

[Hide My Heart]

Ha ha. Nothing wrong with that. :-)

Sometimes I think its a bit hard to keep up with the visual style MdM and MM sell. They really ARE visual kei bands at the highest levle. But I guess the good part of it is that it never really goes out os style. There isnt some division of lolita that can be classified as "old" or new, which we have Mana to thank for. His definition of "timesless lolita" seems to have really set the foundation for the fashion industy specializing this style.

Oh, and wird to the wise, Mana's shop isnt taking online orders for over sea's buyers. Just a warning because today I ran into the 100th person who was in tears because they had expected it to be different. :relief:

[VisualDarkness]

we should get two threads, one fashion and one for music ;P

[Kinsao]

Make one if you want one! :p

Actually, most of 'top' threads here discuss appearence as much as (if not more than) music. I'm fed up with trying to differentiate between where exactly something stops being 'music' and starts being 'visual' or 'fashion'. So I've stopped bothering to try...

In a sense, I suppose that's the aim of (some) VK bands... to fuse music with theatrics in such a way that you get a blended art-form where you can't separate the two. The 'performance art' field, within the more 'arty' circles, has been experimenting with this sort of thing for decades, but so far, professional musicians have moved in entirely different circles. 'Fine artists', dancers/choreographers and people involved in the theatre have had certain successes in terms of things like 'happenings', installations, sound sculptures and other multimedia arts, but the fact remains that popular, 'normal' music and those that make it have largely remained outside of that sort of thing. That is, for me, one of the main interesting things about VK - the way the evolution of the arts is taking an unexpected turn.

Eeeek! :shock: I'm talking like a bloody book! Shut up already! :bluush:

[Hide My Heart]

No no! I completely agree with you! Thats why I always end up atlking about the two with bands that are so completely vk. I mean honestly i can listen to their music and enjoy it....but i feel like i'm missing something if i'm not watching it as well. I firmly belive that thats the way its MENT to be viewed. I mean you cant really sepperate one from the other can you? :?

In the way that youve mentioned they have in a very realy way created something completely different.

I was just sitting back and giving the oppertunity to see if a fashion thread would show up. I mean I guess not all people would agree with my philosophy and would see it as getting off topic and i didnt want any body to get mad....But honestly i dont think its off topic at all.

[Kinsao]

Yeah, I had been thinking about these things in relation to various threads on Batsu forum. And there's a thread on here, somewhere way back, called "Is it all about the visual?" in which there's a bit of a discussion on that sort of thing.

When you think about it, though, from about the mid-20th century onwards, music of all types has had a really big influence on fashion. I mean, if you look at a group of people, sometimes you can make assumptions about what music they listen to. Not that you would always be right, but there is a certain amount of 'stereotyping' that goes on, based around what people wear and closely coupled with music. People are willing to bend the stereotypes - for example, it's quite well-known that a lot of metal guitarists are very technically-minded about music theory, and listen to classical music as well as heavier music - but only to a certain extent - for example, people would generally be a bit surprised by someone who dressed in industrial gothic style, but listened only to classical music and hip-hop!

My my, tis a strange phenomenen indeed, is fashion... :mad:

[Hide My Heart]

Right you are indeed! So itonly makes sence that there would be a natural "evolution" of music that would completely blend and encompas the two. Not to say that they cant and arnt enjoyed seperatly, but I only get the feeling that they become whole while comming together.

[Kinsao]

I think there's value in a variety of things. When something 'visual + music' is done well, it is a different kind of art form than music by itself. It's slightly complicated by the fact that 'music-only' bands obviously have to give live shows too, which are visual by nature no matter what the band is, but there is still a boundary... somewhere... :mad:

Personally, I incline more to the 'music' side of things... which is kind of strange considering my training was in the visual arts... but mainly, I think it's because music by itself is more 'accessible' in the most basic sense of the word. For example, you can take music with you anywhere on your mp3 player; you can listen to it in the dark, or with your eyes closed; you've got your voice with you at all times, you can always sing. Don't get me wrong though; I adore good visuals - most especially great PVs and well-composed, artistic photos, as well as interesting and beautiful costumes - and I find it all fascinating.

I suppose VK was bound to fascinate me, being as though I have the kind of brain that sprouts thoughts in all directions, rather than any particular specific talents. :nuts:

[VisualDarkness]

I agree with you.
A lot of bands and artists will never become big and famous becouse of that they look boring on stage. The cd's can always sell but the live shows are the ultimate connection between the artists and the fans.

[illuminati_diamant]

just becuse its more like mana it doesn't mean that every man like the style :p

[VisualDarkness]

Welcome to the forum old pal...

(I've tricked him to come here):wave:

[Kinsao]

Welcome to the forum, Illuminati Diamant! :wave:
I hope you like it here!

[Hide My Heart]

I would also like to wish a warm welcome to Illuminati (Visual you ole' deviant you! :blush: )

I dont think that one has to wear that style of clothes to be considered a die hard fan though. Honestly most of the vk fans I know here in the us rub a little mascara on and call it a day. My choosing to go all out by scourinh ebay and making my own clothes comes more out of a personal interest and 7 years at an art acadamy that was given fuel by the vk scene rather than started by it.

And of corse I would always lean twords the music aspect of it before the visual because with out the music as pretty as it is the visuals are all around us and therefore nothing new....

[VisualDarkness]

If you go to consert how do you want the artist to be...just plain and normal people?:okashii:
No you want something special, something you never seen before, something that makes the visual and music aspect go together.:wave:

Thats Vk!!!:p

[Hide My Heart]

Well, it all depends.

I dont NEED my artists to be vk. Beck sure as heck isnt vk and I enjoyed myself beyond all good taste at his last concert I attended. In fact he dresses quite plain by jrock standards : no bloody bandages, no feathers, no silks or satans and yet I still like listening to him.

VK is more of an extra pop for me. I would listen to vk bands even if they all played in pajama bottoms and tinker belle tshirts.

But for people to enjoy there music and be die hard fans I think they get the dress code a little mixed thats all. My best friend through out most of high school wore an ugly straw hat with a ratty blue feather in it and was the biggest Diru fan I've ever seen.

[VisualDarkness]

Sorry :relief: I didn't mean to say that an artist MUST dress different but it must be something special (the artist need to have "IT") on the stage or else it will be boring.:wave:

[Hide My Heart]

I agree! :-)

I just dont think that clothes are always the way to have IT, and fans dont always need to immitate their favorite artists inorder to identify them selves with that music genera.

[VisualDarkness]

:wave: I agree with you :wave:

To be a fan you'll just have to like the artist.

[Kinsao]

Yeah, I think you are both right. :-)

Live performance is really important because it's the way of communicating the music... and there's a totally different feel at live, regardless of whether it is VK or not... it's as much about the way the musicians put themselves across... and the feeling of being part of a crowd of fans, too...

no silks or satans
Freudian slip? :D

I would listen to vk bands even if they all played in pajama bottoms and tinker belle tshirts.
Hang on, hasn't Miyavi done that, too? no wait...... :giggle:

[VisualDarkness]

Le Cemu played in a parrot costume:blush:

[Hide My Heart]

Indeed. It gets a bit fristeratin