Elitist and Rabid Fangirls (or boys)

[Nana007]

I wanted to start a thread, about Elitist and Rabid Fans. A place where we can share stories. I am sure everybody in this thread has a story about one or the other (or both). Unless you are one of the two that is.

Anyways, here is my story about elitist. I think in one thread I mentioned how very few people in my hs,didn't like J-Rock, and the group I found who did we didn't get along. Well here is why. This girl, in my class I overheard here talking to her friend about Dir en Grey. And I wasn't trying to be rude or anything but I was so excited that someone at my school new them that I kind of butted in their convo, with a "YOU LIKE DIR EN GREY SO DO I" they promptly gave me the once over, and laughed in my face I like I wasn't there. And went back to the convo. I was pissed but couldn't do anything cause the teacher started class.

So during lunch I saw them and approached their group at the table. The looked at me like I wasn't human. And then when I asked the girls what was that about in class, they said I coudn't possibly like Dir en Grey, and I was just some anime music wannabe who stubbled across the band. Cause I didn't look like I liked Dir en Grey (im black which has nothing to do with anything, cause you have black rockers, punks, and goths, but I also dress hip hop, mostly, and I wear my hair natural in an afro ). The group was a bunch of mall goths, who (incorrectly ) labeled Dir en Grey as a goth band, and I can't like goth music cause I am not a true goth just some poser wannabe. Oh I was so pissed. I actually got suspended cause I beat the
S H I T out of the girl who said that.

And anyways I know its kind of long winded but here is my storie about rabid fans. This was a Mana fangirl. I was at a con, and she had cosplayed as Mana. I approached her, and did the normal small talk, I love your costume, Its a good Mana can I take your picture... then we got in a convo about Mana, and we were doing pretty good up till the point when I said, "It's so sad that Moi Dix Moi wasn't (in my own opinion) that good, cause I had such high hopes" BAD CHOICE. She went OFF. I actually ran from her she was so scary. I avoided her for the rest of the con until I got to the J-Rock music video viewing. She and her little group spotted me, and started to go crazy. Lucky for me, it was a lot of people in the room, who had the same opinion of Moi Dix Moi and they saved me.

Sorry I was so long winded, but I just wanted to get those two stories out. I have many more, but first I want to hear some more.

Oh and this doesn't just have to be about J-rock fans we can put anime fans in this too just for fun.

[lastmagi]

So during lunch I saw them and approached their group at the table. The looked at me like I wasn't human. And then when I asked the girls what was that about in class, they said I coudn't possibly like Dir en Grey, and I was just some anime music wannabe who stubbled across the band. Cause I didn't look like I liked Dir en Grey (im black which has nothing to do with anything, cause you have black rockers, punks, and goths, but I also dress hip hop, mostly, and I wear my hair natural in an afro ). The group was a bunch of mall goths, who (incorrectly ) labeled Dir en Grey as a goth band, and I can't like goth music cause I am not a true goth just some poser wannabe.

Sorry to hear about that. It's disgusting how groups, as they form their own interests and establish their identities in society, become just as exclusionary as any other.

[Nana007]

Oh, its no problem. It bothered me at the time. But my friends we love j-rock, and have so much fun together, even though we are so different. Like my best friend she's goth. And we really have nothing much in common except we like video games, j-rock and anime. Other than J-rock we don't listen to the same music, except for reggea and thats only cause her family is Jamaican. So any goths in here, don't think I dislike goths cause of that experience. My best friend is like super goth.

[POISONxIVY]

I personally think Normphobic (my sister) is the gothest person in the world hahaha. But that's just me :)

[pinkkillerkisou]

How immature :okashii:

can't say I've had that problem... I'm the j-rock instigator... most everyone I know (in person I mean) has learned of it from me. :relief: I learned about j-rock from a few good friends I grew up with and the only other j-rock fan I've ever met was my ex but he was dumb and I don't count him cause he barely knew of any jrock apart from a few Dir en grey, Miyavi, and Malice Mizer songs :sick:

[Kinsao]

Aww, what unpleasent experiences, Nana. I haven't had anything like that happen to me, because... well, because the only other people I've met who like J-rock are Furan and Pjusk, and they were nice to me... (it might have cost a lot of effort, but they treated me like a normal human being. XD) I keep trying to convert people though... :yeahh:

I think I can appreciate what you mean though... I mean, I listen to goth music and metal, but I don't look 'goth' either... so if I was to approach a bunch of goth-looking people and start talking about music that they liked and that I liked... I can imagine people would look right through me as if to say 'you can't be one of us because you don't look the part'. It sounds like they were just judging you on your look, and that kind of attitude really pisses me off. :okashii: I know people sometimes are a bit distant from me at first because I change my look from day to day and they don't know what box to put me in... but honestly, I can't be bothered to maintain a consistent style. :relief:

Yay! you got your own back though... :box:

And that thing about Mana and MDM... that is just scary. :o

I would be really sad to meet some fellow J-rock fans here and find them to be elitist bitches... But, well, J-rock fans are no more saints than everyone else, I wouldn't expect to like them all. :(

[isayhello]

.. yah, ''elitist bitches'' (*quoting Kinsao* would be a good way to describe those girls from your school, Nana. I'msorry to hear that story, those people seem like the worst typ of fangirls. They're the ''I-love-jrock-the-most-and-no-one-else-does-cause-I'm-special-and-I-truly-understand-the-meaning-of-that-music-and-you-suck-because-you're-not-really-as-into-jrock-as-I-am-you-can't-be-PAH!-sort-of-fangirls''... (yeah, they DO have a name... even if it's a complicated one... :D :D )

NONE of my friends listen to jrock at all. At all. I'm not even gonna try and convince them to it either, because they hate japanese music with a passion (wait, why are they my friends again? :D ) I mostly keep my jrock to myself, and share it with people *tackles* on the internet. I pretty much decided I don't wanna share or try and discuss jrock with people around me in 'the real world' (no, that's NOT the internet I'm talking about :D ) because I've soo far only had bad experiences, like you Nana...
I was at a japanese movie festival, and thus met other people who liked japanese stuff. I saw a bunch of girls standing around, and I noticed they had bags with pics of Kyo on them. They must like Diru! I approached, and asked what other bands they liked and commented them on their bags (ok, that might not have been my first question, and I might have said 'hi' before this...) They stared at me. ... They stared at me... then one of the girls said 'Do you know what jrock is?'
...
...
SO I said 'yes, yes I do'
Thne they told me about Diru, and even when I tried to comment anything about what I thought, they would drop nasty comments and act like they owned Diru and were married to them or something. And they kept on acting as if I was the wannabe and they knew it all. I couldn't even conversate with them properly.
I don't even wanna talk about how they... they... treated... MYV-sama.. T_T

Point is, they were rude, evil bitches who acted like they owned jrock, and that made me disappointed and annoyed.

I also see your point, Nana - about the goth-thing. I have absolutely nothing against goth people, and I've got a good friend too who's a goth (but not into jrock music) and she's great! But these girls I met, they were goth too, and seemed to judge by the clothes and appearance who 'is worthy of jrock' or not :okashii: I'm not goth. And with those girls I felt like they thought 'eeeh, you haven't dyed your hair black, loser! How can you listen to jrock if you aren't goth?'
and that makes me mad.

[advigilo]

uhm... well i never met anyone before who likes jrock...
most of the time i am the one who either drives people crazy with it
or make them like it :-)

i did met this girl on vocation who went too the diru concert in Berlin
(she was german) so i asked... her do you know the band dir en grey?
because my friend was like she likes these guys and stuff...
and she was like yeah i know them, i went too this concert in berlin.
and i was like "What?" and started ask all these questions :-)
turns out that she went too the concert with her friends who cosplayed,
she didn't. well she didnt like the band that much but the did have
fun watching all the costumes.


it such a pitty that those girls acted that way:okashii:
people acspecially in a places where jrock is not well know or not well liked
should support each other :-) and exchange jrock stuff not *put in whatever you want :P*
Of course there are jrock wannabe's or whatever the call it,
but so what! the will eventually grow and really like jrock :-)

[Kinsao]

And with those girls I felt like they thought 'eeeh, you haven't dyed your hair black, loser! How can you listen to jrock if you aren't goth?'
and that makes me mad.

I know just what you mean! I see different reactions. Like when I go certain places... if I'm dressed all in black and with the 'right' accessories, jewellery and makeup etc., I get treated with some respect. But I can go the same place one day, wearing something that's totally ungoth like jeans and a bright T-shirt or something, and people look at me like "wtf are you doing here?" You can see the differences in people's eyes, and I am the same person.

Not that that's got anything to do with J-rock..... :gomen:

[Mikawa Ossan]

It sounds to me like some girls who took themselves far too seriously.

[hobbitfeet]

I might be stepping on a few toes here but...

The goths girls' reaction really made me laugh.

Everyone knows goths are just the emo branch of geekdom. They're an offshoot of the classic nerd. There is nothing wrong with that (I'm a proud geek) but I just wish they would realize this and stop thinking they are superior to others because it's embarrassing.

the thought of anyone being a jrock elitist also makes me laugh. Don't they see the inherent dorkiness of jrock?! and this is coming from someone who loves jrock!

[advigilo]

I know just what you mean! I see different reactions. Like when I go certain places... if I'm dressed all in black and with the 'right' accessories, jewellery and makeup etc., I get treated with some respect. But I can go the same place one day, wearing something that's totally ungoth like jeans and a bright T-shirt or something, and people look at me like "wtf are you doing here?" You can see the differences in people's eyes, and I am the same person.

Not that that's got anything to do with J-rock..... :gomen:

yes you are SO right.
It has nothing to do with jrock.

I think its mean the way people put other people in boxes… even in jrock.

Perhaps some people are scared of losing there being-special (or something) because ther people start liking it too, since diru other bands
are touring more and more in other countries

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I have an Elitist story that's kinda opposite of most. It's about my 21-yr-old brother. He's Elitist AGAINST J-Rock. He goes out of his way to insult it and says American music is the "only good music" that it's "more valid" or "better quality." How could he knew that sicne he's never really stopped to actually LISTEN to J-Music??? AGH. If I'm listening to J-Rock on the computer or in the living room he'll walk by and while walking make a snide comment and leave the room before I can fire back. Like one time I was listening to Malice Mizer in the kitchen. He came in, got some food, and as he left side, "That s**t sounds like a failed science experiment." and then he was gone from the room. He does s**t like that ALL THE TIME. He treats me like I'm stupid for liking J-Music more then American music, like he's above me 'cause he has "better musical taste" *rolles eyes*
Dude, I should do a test. I should play Hyde's English Solo stuff all day, not say it's J-Rock, and see what he says. He'll probably like it, ask me what it is, and then I can laugh and point. I caught me and one of my other brothers with Avril Lavigne like that. Brought home her second CD, played it in the living room without saying who it was, and my brothers (both sworn against Avril) were like, "Hey, this is pretty good. Who is it?" I nearly busted a gut laughing.

And rabid fan stories...God, I have so many.

Oh, and to clear this up. Those "goth" chicks aren't really Goth. Neither or the posers you see working at Hot Topic. People like that just got in it because it was "cool" or s**t like that. Being Gothic doesn't have a damned thing to do with WTF you wear or even the way you act. It's a mindset and a lifestyle (yes, I know I've gone on this shpill before but I don't give a s**t) that has ancient roots (unlike Punks etc no offense to the Punks). So when wannabe "goths" give you That Look just laugh 'cause they're the ones who aren't valid. Being Goth is all about doing what you want, wearing what you want etc that's how the style got started really. So for them to think the s**t they do is just f**ked up. It's maddening really. Just try and ignore the stupid posers, they aren't worth it.

I'm not sure that just made any sense. It's way too early in the morning to be getting this deep and s**t and I'm hungry. So if the above made no sense that's okay.

[Kinsao]

@ Hyde: Yes, you are making sense. I think most people on here agree with you.

Posers of any genre piss me off, period. :angryfire:

Oh well, I guess they get a kick out of hanging around feeling superior. :okashii:

Any and every kind of 'sub-culture' (or whatever you like to call it) quickly becomes 'just' another fashion trend, and you get people wanting to dress or look a certain way because they think it's cool. Actually, I don't have a problem with that, it's a free country, I say let people look how they want. It's when people begin to act like, and think, that they are somehow better than other people because of it that it gets up my nose. You get that in every fashion culture, from goths to businessmen in suits to chavs.

It also amuses me how people dress up a certain way and think they're so 'individual'. No, they're not, they're still following the trend; for example if you wanna be a 'goth' (I mean just in fashion, not in the more 'valid' way that Hyde was talking about) you have to constrain yourself to a 'uniform' that's just as restrictive in its way as a school uniform or office dress code!

*sigh* to be truly 'individual'... well, I don't think anyone really does it! Who invents the fashion? It isn't me or anyone I know! I don't waste my time to worry about such things, just choose some clothes that looks good to my eyes. :-)

I like the freedom of the VK style of look (regardless of music for the moment). Someone like Miyavi for example, could wear golf socks, football boots, pink floral pants, an old grandad cardigan, a retro '70s link belt and a top hat and look mighty fine - well... probably... you get my meaning... :giggle:

Sorry - I'm beginning to sound like I have some kind of clothing or 'image' rant... and I don't... honest... :worried:

And about the first part of your post, Hyde: I think it's something pretty well everyone has experienced, a prejudice against J-rock simply because it's 'foreign'. :okashii: To be honest, as that never really happened to me, I found myself incredulous to people's stories at first, but I hear it more and more. And even though I associate with 'mature adults' (haardehaar...), the reaction is still surprising to me sometimes, such as questions about understanding the lyrics, etc. etc. I think it just goes to show how much racism actually exists, in places where you would never expect to find it. :o

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Are you sure Miyavi hasn't worn that already? :giggle: Sorry, had to.
What I hate is people think being Gothic is a sub-culture. It's not. It IS a culture. Or WAS until they got flatened by the stinky Romans. But it still lives on. Gothism is really NOTHING like people think AT ALL. It's quite sad really.

Racism sucks major monkey butt...and so does my brother. :21::okashii::21:

[Kinsao]

What I hate is people think being Gothic is a sub-culture. It's not. It IS a culture. Or WAS until they got flatened by the stinky Romans. But it still lives on. Gothism is really NOTHING like people think AT ALL.

Ah yeah, but 'goth' as people use it in a stylistic way - what you could call the 'superficial' way (i.e. as fashion only, with misunderstanding of the meaning) - could be described as a 'sub-culture', albeit one that has grown out of the original Gothic culture.

I don't mean to split hairs on that! :p Just so's people know what I'm talking about when I refer to sub-cultures...

A cultural subgroup differentiated by status, ethnic background, residence, religion, or other factors that functionally unify the group and act collectively on each member.

In the case of 'goth sub-culture' I guess that style of cloth and (maybe?) taste of music could be the "other factors that functionally unify the group and act collectively on each member". :?

Interestingly, in reference.com I found:

In sociology, a subculture is a culture or set of people with distinct behavior and beliefs within a larger culture. The essence of a subculture, that distinguishes it from other social groupings, is awareness of style and differences in style, in clothing, music or other interests. As early as 1950 David Riesman distinguished between a majority, "which passively accepted commercially provided styles and meanings, and a 'subculture' which actively sought a minority style (hot jazz at the time) and interpreted it in accordance with subversive values. Thus 'the audience...manipulates the product (and hence the producer), no less than the other way round' (Riesman 1950: 361)."

Thus when a member of a subculture "listens to music, even if no-one else is around, he listens in a context of imaginary 'others' - his listening is indeed often an effort to establish connection with them. In general what he perceives in the mass media is framed by his perception of the peer-groups to which he belongs. These groups not only rate the tunes but select for their members in more subtle ways what is to be 'heard' in each tune (ibid: 366)."

A culture often contains numerous subcultures. Subcultures incorporate large parts of their mother cultures, but in specifics they may differ radically. Some subcultures achieve such a status that they acquire a name of their own.

Dick Hebdige (1981) used style as a subculture's fashions, mannerisms, argot (see also slang, jargon, and polari), activities, music, and interests. Subcultural styles are distinguished from mainstream styles by being intentionally "fabricated", their constructedness, as different from conventional.

(And there's more here: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Subculture)

I'm sorry to go on so extensively, and largely offtopic as well. Or maybe... maybe it isn't so offtopic, as to some extents all of us here are part of a sub-culture? do you reckon?

[isayhello]

... :relief: ... yeah, Kinsao.. you sure Miyavi-sama hasn't had that look already? :blush:

I have no problem whatsoever with people dressing goth - whether they do it because they feel they are deeply part of that culture (that Hyde spoke of) OR if they do it because they just like the clothes. What I can't accept is when people dress goth ( OR dress in any other way ) and THEN think they're special and better than all others, including the other people who dress the same way. Because they're NOT. Cultures, sub-cultures, call them whatever, but even if you dress and act in a certain way, that really shouldn't have to mean you have to act like a ***** because of it.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

THANK YOU, ISAYHELLO!!! That's my point...kinda...
And I can see I'm fighting a losing battle about Gothism here (about it being a culture not a sub-culture) so I'll just shut up now and let you guys think whatever you want about it. No one listens anyway.

[Kinsao]

That's exactly what I think, Isay. :-)

and Hyde... I get your point about Gothism... I'm not trying to contradict you. :worried: We're not talking about 'real' Gothism here - just about sub-cultures in general, of which 'goth styled' (as opposed to 'real' Goths) are a part. :relief:

[isayhello]

Gothic architecture from the 14th century? ... it's really quite cool! *is confused*

Goth as a subculture and gothism (as the historic culture) are separated, or no?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I don't think I have the brain power in the morning needed to have this convo but f**k it. No they aren't different, they come from the same place. The beliefs even the style all come from the same place. Look at the Goths in ancient Roman times, look at what they wore. It's not all that different from now just more period and different material. They were pale, had dark hair, and loved all parts of life including death. Now stupid wannabe goths are not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about Goths not goths when I say it's still very much the same as it was years ago and it stems from the original Goths of old. It is an old CULTURE not sub-culture.

[Doll]

Well, I have a storie too.:hey:
In my country... :okashii: (always late on everything, so if american people like someone now, Hungarian people will like it a few years later!/ you only can buy manga in Budapest-->like that!:okashii: )
Okey not every one... I've just meeted a few girls (in this month) who like jrock. I was very excitted!........ but......all of them elite bitches!
All of the girls were like "I am the best because I like jrock!" and like "Who are you? You don't even know any jrock bands!"
I was very sad! I am now a couple of bands so than I said some... but just that they said to me: "Malice Mizer is not goog, because its not really jrock, and Lareine too because their vocal is mewing!" and every thing I've sad they make laugh at me. I looked so stupid!
Than I asked what are they like? And the answer: "You don't know them so why do you ask?"
This storie will be in my memorie for ever and it always gonna hurt!:(

[Child_prey]

I can't really understand people who base their opinions on how you dress, a.k.a what type of music you like. I'm a livin' example, if you saw me on the street, you would probably never say that I listen to Jrock, I look quite "normal", almost (sometimes, I don't know why..) a bit "hiphop-ish, if you don't count the times i have a Jrock T-shirt on or my bag with Jrock names on. My friend on the other hand is a Kyo cosplay so you could probably see that she likes something that has to do with the jrock world... (she even resembles him, a spitting image of the man himself when she had blonde hair...scary...confusing to say the least...)

Love of Jrock has NOTHING to do with the clothes you wear, sure, you are proud of the fact that you have exellent taste in music :giggle: so you show it with your appereance but people, seriously, the world doesn't spin around the pants you wear.

If someone is a *****, then you should treat them like one, it's as simple as that. Tell them to "beeeep" or just ignore them, it's quite obvious that their IQ is fairly low.

The only time I have experienced someone puting me down was when some guys found out I like Deg and so automatically started to call me a fangirl, for no reason at all. It's as if I started my every sentence with "OMG, Toshiya is soooo freaking HOT... he plays drums right?" while they pranced around in their deg T-shirts and Kyo wannabe outfits.... And saying that i don't give a f*** about their appereance didn't exactly help, I was a girl, and therefore, a fangirl...

Another thing that is just plain stupid is the fact that there are people who act like they know eeeeverythiiing about the music style just bcuz they own all of the CDs or have been listening to the band/s some years. They put down those who have just discovered for ex. Jrock or those who have other opinions... We should learn from each other, care for each other, love one another...eerr or something like that :D Point is, don't be a *****, they might know something you don't know. And also, you might have listened to it 12454657 times and know the lyrics by heart but do you really understand it?
It' not how much you own, it's how much you love. (that doesn't mean that we should all start fighting, who loves them more. I mean that in a good way, not competition-wise............) Or those who "listen" to any j-band juct bcuz they are japanese, doens't matter if they are good or not.... bloody waste of time!

So..yeah... be nice (to those who are nice to you ofcourse, an eye for an eye people!!) :-) :wave: :cool:

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Well, I have a storie too.
In my country... (always late on everything, so if american people like someone now, Hungarian people will like it a few years later!/ you only can buy manga in Budapest-->like that! )
Okey not every one... I've just meeted a few girls (in this month) who like jrock. I was very excitted!........ but......all of them elite bitches!
All of the girls were like "I am the best because I like jrock!" and like "Who are you? You don't even know any jrock bands!"
I was very sad! I am now a couple of bands so than I said some... but just that they said to me: "Malice Mizer is not goog, because its not really jrock, and Lareine too because their vocal is mewing!" and every thing I've sad they make laugh at me. I looked so stupid!
Than I asked what are they like? And the answer: "You don't know them so why do you ask?"
This storie will be in my memorie for ever and it always gonna hurt!
You shoulda told them to f**k themselves 'cause MM is rock they're just being stupid. And when they went eltist on your @$$ you shoulda fired back. When people are being that way you gotta stand up for yourself and your tastes. The love each other thing's great but it gets you stepped on. I've learned to be mean when faced with this kinda s**t, it saves you so much heartache.

[Doll]

Thank you Hyde! But I'm not really a "fireing back person"... I like stay out of quarrels... but still I like to fight!:box: But I can't hit someone on the street...:giggle:
Hmm now that I tought why not?:box:
Thanks for cheering me up!:wave:

[Kinsao]

You go girl! :box: :cheer: :box:
There is times for fighting... and goodness knows I've got a bad enough temper :bluush:... but, in some situations it means that you're as much of a ***** as them. If someone is being confrontational I stand up for myself even if it causes problems... but often, the best defence is to not care what people say. I'm lucky in that I really don't care.... but I guess not everyone finds it so easy as me. :worried: I mean, if they can get you mad... but they're honestly not worth it. :okashii:

[lost]

yeah....sometimes...it's not worth the anger but sometimes...it does!

hahaha...funnie story i heard bout a dir en grey fangirl....i love her now....
she had a whole bunch of dir en grey stickers and pictures on her folders and a few of her classmate came up to her and said that dir en grey was gay and they're a bunch of girls. she was like deg was not but the girls kept on making fun of deg so she kicked the hell out of them! she was suspended for some time...

no one around me knows jrockers...you know, i love goth and all but i never dressed like it...i wear black but not gothic...people are just so rude to judge others by the way they look...humans...

[POISONxIVY]

I doubt any of those girls at your school are reall "goth" They are probably what I like to call goth trash wanna be's who think wearing black pants and a black shirt is goth. Or they are Hot topic mall core trash lol. People are weird, and I agree that most of the teenagers in the "goth" scene who like to think they are something they are not are really annoying, immature, and usualally I want to smack them lol. It is hard to find people who dress differently that actually don't act like an idiot. At least that's how it has been for me.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

You go girl!
There is times for fighting... and goodness knows I've got a bad enough temper ... but, in some situations it means that you're as much of a ***** as them. If someone is being confrontational I stand up for myself even if it causes problems... but often, the best defence is to not care what people say. I'm lucky in that I really don't care.... but I guess not everyone finds it so easy as me. I mean, if they can get you mad... but they're honestly not worth it.

Yeah I don't much care what people think of me I just refuse to be walked all over.

[pinkkillerkisou]

reading all this just makes me realize how much more I hate people then I thought :sick:

I tire of the sterotypes... I'll stick with my handful of friends... they are interesting and not caught up in stupid things like sterotypes... I don't even like going out places where you are supposed to 'meet new people' anymore... there's only so many times I can be asked "are you punk, goth, or whatever?" or "are you gay?" I wear mix matched strange and clashing clothes I buy from thrift stores and second hand shops... how is that punk or goth... and what is whatever? :clueless: :D ...and gay? Maybe I have a few boyish mannerism and I really hate feminine things, but it's rude to ask someones sexual preference... if they want to tell you they will :okashii: I just can't stand meeting people anylonger ...it can drive a person to murder... :buuh: oops did I say that outloud :sorry: :D

[Placebo]

the funny thing about the little hot topic goths today is they think Marilyn Manson started it all if you ask if they like The Cure or some other bands from when the real goth thing started they have no clue what you are talking about.

[pinkkillerkisou]

The only thing Hot Topic is good for is (for me atleast) their arm warmers and body jewlery... everything else can die :sick: :D

OMG... your avatar kills me Placebo... Brian Molko is so beautiful :love: *thunk* Good to another Placebo fan around! :p

[POISONxIVY]

I really do hate stereotypes. I mean if you fall under one thats fine, like some people are just flat out punk (like Retia haha) but what about the people like me or you (PKK) that look different everday and dont stick to one style or genre or whatever. I agree with you, meeting anyone in this world that is half way decent is hard these days!

The best is when they have never heard of Bauhaus haha! I havent shopped at a hot topic in years, so I am not quite sure what they have. I used to go to them back when there was only one in Michigan, but that was 7 years ago. Whoever came up with Mariyn Manson being goth was stupid! they are shock rockers.

[Nana007]

I like the freedom of the VK style of look (regardless of music for the moment). Someone like Miyavi for example, could wear golf socks, football boots, pink floral pants, an old grandad cardigan, a retro '70s link belt and a top hat and look mighty fine - well... probably... you get my meaning...


Oh my Kinsao that killed me. I think that Miyavi has worn that.

But anyways yea, to me, even if a musician does, make a type of music, and a musician does fit into a certain type of genre or sub-culture, I am pretty sure that the musician really woudn't give a crap if some one from a completely different background liked their music. (unless it is the poser wannabes who just like something cause it is the thing). Most musicians make music, regardless of the type or genre (and I am saying real musicians not people who want to go into music to be famous or get money) because they love the music, and they want people to hear it, and they want their message spread through the music.

Thats why I listen to J-Rock. Because if I hear a song, and I really just start to FEEL it, no matter what language or genre it is, I will like it. That is what is most important to me that you can FEEL the music. I'm not going to lie I do listen to Manufacterd music like Pop, SOME Rap, and MTV bands, but those are songs that are simply catchy, or fun to dance to at a club, just cause I listen to it doesn't neccesarily mean its good, it can be crappy as hell but for some reason that even I don't know I will LOVE IT. Prime example Britney Spears TOXIC. I can't stand her, being a Louisianna Native, I think that she is nothing but CAJUN TRASH who got lucky. But I won't lie, I love that song, and even today, it is on my Ipod. But I won't say that the song is good, Cause I don't FEEL It.

Whew that was long winded. I'm always long winded in my posts.

Oh and another form of Elitists are the ones who just cause it is J-Rock you have to LIKE EVERY SINGLE BAND NO MATTER HOW CRAPPY IT IS CAUSE ITS J-ROCK AND YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT EVEN CRAPPY BANDS AND IF YOU DONT LIKE CRAPPY BANDS YOU AREN'T A REALL J-ROCK FAN. Sorry about that :relief: . If music is crap its crap. Doesn't matter if its J-Rock its still crap. Unless it has some weird pull to it like Toxic did despite it being crap, I don't listen to it.

Oh and as far as genres go, I have friends of all Genres. My Best friend, maybe I shoudn't have used goth, even though she's not goth, she looks it to me, so thats what I say when I talk of her, she is actually WICCAN. My other friend, is such a nerd he is so behind the fashions and is a total Anime GUNDAM and Gaming HALO nerd. Oh and the funniest story. My roomates last year were IDENTICAL TWINS. One was hip hop, and the other was PUNK. I just thought that was insanely hiliarious. And I wont say punk and hip hop as thats all they were, cause the punk twin didn't mind hip hop, she just preffered punk, and the hip hop one didn't mind punk just was more hip hop. Oh and they both LOVED BOLLYWOOD music and Turkish Rap, they now have me listening to it, while I got them into J-Music. THE DEVDA'S SOUNDTRACK IS SO GOOD (shameless bollywood plugin :wave: )

[Kinsao]

Oh my Kinsao that killed me. I think that Miyavi has worn that.

Ah. It must have sunk into my subconscious, then. :lol:

Because if I hear a song, and I really just start to FEEL it, no matter what language or genre it is, I will like it. That is what is most important to me that you can FEEL the music.

Hear hear and amen to that! :cool: x 1000!

those are songs that are simply catchy, or fun to dance to at a club, just cause I listen to it doesn't neccesarily mean its good, it can be crappy as hell but for some reason that even I don't know I will LOVE IT.

Oh yeah, you got me again on that. :blush: I love dancing, there are some crappy dance tracks that I just love... and I don't know the reason... they just catch something... oh I dunno. :bluush:
*whispers* and some of PLC's songs are like that! [/aside] :D

Whew that was long winded. I'm always long winded in my posts.

What does that make me then? Tolstoy? :gomen: :giggle:

Oh and another form of Elitists are the ones who just cause it is J-Rock you have to LIKE EVERY SINGLE BAND NO MATTER HOW CRAPPY IT IS CAUSE ITS J-ROCK AND YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT EVEN CRAPPY BANDS AND IF YOU DONT LIKE CRAPPY BANDS YOU AREN'T A REALL J-ROCK FAN. Sorry about that :relief: . If music is crap its crap. Doesn't matter if its J-Rock its still crap.

Oh my, we agree on so many things. :-)

...... uhhh... Turkish music.... anyone like Tarkan? :?

Sorry for the offtopic, folks! I just can't keep my mouth shut! :hihi:

[advigilo]

tarkan he sang the song "kiss kiss" right?

omg i played that song over and over while laughing my head of
cause my bro kept singing with the track. we where on vacation then.

[Nana007]

I love Tarkan but thats not on subject.

[juvi]

It's really sad to hear about the experiences you all had with people who think they are so much better than others. I'm really lucky, all my really-really close friends here in Norway listens to j-rock ( and they are on this forum:relief: ). My other friends really HATE j-rock, they think it sucks. They have started a group called "menn mot j-rock" = "men against j-rock" the funny part is that it's members is mostly women :lol: It doesn't bother me much, even do it hurt sometimes, :souka: cause I really hated J-rock in the beginning. I had decided that it was crap :bikkuri: . No I can't image life without it :giggle:
Most of the goths here in Norway is like ; I put on a black baggy t-skirt and black trousers and wear black makeup= now I special. I know I shouldn't, but I don't respect them. I can respect REAL goths ( then comes the question "what is a REAL goth?" the answer is I can't tell you, but you will understand it when you see one:souka: ) I hope I didn't offend anyone :sorry: And it's very important to understand that I can't respect ANY groups, only individuals! That's probably one of the worst things about me:blush: But I specially dislike ;"I'm so "special" wanna be goths" :blush:

[Winter]

I dont quite understand the dilemma here.

So many of you have had run-ins with people whom have ostricized yourselves for whatever inadequate reason. Many of you have come to the realization that there are people not worth knowing even in the realm of jrock, and music as a whole. Nice to understand, sure.

What I dont understand however, is the retaliation for these said types. Suspensions for fighting them in school? C'mon, is it really THAT important?

So Johnny Nobody wont let you talk to him about the band you both like for whatever silly reason; big deal, right? If he wont give you the time of day, do you really want to ask him anything?

I just dont understand what the issue is about elitists, fangirls, or whatever else stigmatized derogatory term is for the common, everyday jerk. If someone reveals themself to be one of these things, log it in your memory vault as 'someone not worth knowing' and move on.

[Nana007]

What I dont understand however, is the retaliation for these said types. Suspensions for fighting them in school? C'mon, is it really THAT important?

So Johnny Nobody wont let you talk to him about the band you both like for whatever silly reason; big deal, right? If he wont give you the time of day, do you really want to ask him anything?


Um Johnny Nobody didn't call you a N I G G E R , when they said the part about me being a Dir en Grey Poser Wannabe. I didn't say that part in the orignal story about exactly why I beat them up, I didn't think I had to. I wasn't trying to start up some big argument about goths and poser goths, and why I was treated badly. All I wanted to start was a thread about people's experiences with fangirls and elitists, that could possibly be funny or in my case sad.

With that said here goes a story about a Miyavi fangirl. At the recent con I went to (not the same as the Mana fangirl) in the J-Rock viewing room I met this Miyavi fangirl. She was like uber fangirl. Like her friend told me that when his last single Wedding March (don't know the whole name by heart just that it is Kekkonshita No Uta something) and Are You Ready To Rock? came out that she bought all 3 of versions of the single. So the guys in front of where we were sitting started talking about him. And one of them said something like Miyavi is good on guitat but can't sing. After he said that she screams and spills her drink on me accidently cause she gets so excited. And goes off. It was so funny cause everyone in the room just starts staring at her like o.O . But she was like uber fangirl she had a MYV tee on with the Miyavi Bag. And even had that skirt like thing they showed on the Miyavizm dvd. She almost went on me, cause when I first saw it I asked if it was authentic (I wasn't trying to be rude but you know they have a lot of bootlegs of that kind of stuff) but I'm lucky. But can you Imagine how funny it was I mean imagine it your in a room and its mostly quiet and all of a sudden your here MIYAVI CAN SING.

[Child_prey]

. THE DEVDA'S SOUNDTRACK IS SO GOOD (shameless bollywood plugin :wave: )

I f***ing LOVE Devdas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cried my eyes out when I saw it, which is a big deal for me cuz I never cry during movies. And Aish is so pretty, hate her, love her, hate her, damn you pretty girl!!!:okashii: :p and the music rocks!

sorry for that..has nothing to do with jrock... just wanted to share my love...:wave:



CONGRATS HIDE!!! WE ALL LOVE YOU. :bravo: :cake: :confetti:

Oh and..elitists suck! yeah...

[Razzle]

Oh, it takes a long time to read this! :mad:
I think everybody says: elitists suck, let's all be nice, OK.
Or if someone is mean, don't take a notice, they are not worth a notice.
If someone is a *****, they are the loser.
And people who think their look is superior, they are also too annoying.
Just be yourself. :-)

I don't have a story, because I never met J-rock fans yet (except Kinsao of course). I think I would be upset if they act that... bitches. But only upset because I can't share talk with them, not upset inside myself. :relief:

[Dollporn]

Why havn't we got cons and fangirls like that? Whyyyyyyyy??!!!
That would be so much fun. In norway, people are hardly so stuck up they laugh in your face cause of how you're dressed if you try talking to them.
Also, I have to say, goth is about one of the biggest stereotypes there is. I judge people on distance often, I do.
But if soemone talks to me, then I consider that one as aperson and not by their looks, because if you're going to have a relationship to a person it actually matters what kind of person it is.
The jrock fans I've met in Norway are just nice and cute. And few. But if it starts being the new goth-thing I think I would be a bit bitchy about boppergoths in Diru-t-shirts.

In the contrary discussion, my boyfriend actually started Men against Jrock. I remember one night we'd gone to bed and my friends sleeping in the same room had put on Kagerou to sleep. And after a while he's like "This is just bad synth pop(which is a very bad word in his vocabulary)".
And I just said "Well, you know I don't care what you think".
If he'd said that now I'd probably go ape s**t on his butt cause they are one of my favourite bands, but I'm glad he didn't cause the little I said apparently really upset him.
He asked really agitated if he could turn it off, and he isn't usually like that at all, hehe.

[advigilo]

Love And Peace People, Love And Peace :D

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Very funny Laruku rabid fangirl story...and it's about my mom. Wow. I was on amazon.com reading reviews for Laruku's "Ray" and my mom started reading over my shoulder. We got to the part in the review about "Trick" (my mom's new Laruku obsession) and, well, the reviewer kinda sorta bashed it and Yukihiro a bit. Well, my mom went off. She was like, "Repetitive??? What are THEY on??? It's a great song! Yuki needs to write MORE of their stuff not LESS!!!" Dude, she seriously went on for about half an hour. She's quickly becoming worse then me and that's not good 'cause I'm pretty bad myself :worried:

[Nana007]

Thats great Hyde that you can listen to J-Rock with your mom. I tried to get my mom into it, and she is like ugh. Especially cause the first band she saw was Dir en Grey (not a good band for parents) but it wasn't on purpose it was an accident. I was watching some live (not sure which one) and she comes into my room and starts watching trying to "bond" and she was like how do you like that music its so noisy, and that guy who singing he's ugly (I could have killed her). And then Kyo did the whole theatrics of scratching and punching and she was like WHAT IS THIS. My whole family thinks something is wrong with me, cause my mom is such a gossipy person and now they think that I'm not normal and even have me on suicide watch.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

O.O I hate s**t like that. See my mom at first hated Diru too but she didn't go ape s**t on me for liking it (FYI, she's now in love with Diru and wants to marry Shinya). I just don't understand parents like that...let your kids be who they want to be, like what they want to, do what they want to. It's not YOUR life it's THEIRS so f**k off and let 'em live it. :21::auch::21:

[daemonette]

ugh my mom thought kyo was a girl.. and i didnt correct her or i woulda probley been yelled at like
"that is a girl.your not gay are you for thinking thats hot? what is he a fag?? no fag will like you because your a girl.. "
:okashii: *stabs mom* :D :D

[daemonette]

O.O I hate s**t like that. See my mom at first hated Diru too but she didn't go ape s**t on me for liking it (FYI, she's now in love with Diru and wants to marry Shinya). I just don't understand parents like that...let your kids be who they want to be, like what they want to, do what they want to. It's not YOUR life it's THEIRS so f**k off and let 'em live it. :21::auch::21:

your mom kicks so much ***, she even wants to marry the most feminem one :D :D my mom would hurt me if i ever said shinya was a guy :relief: and mana.. forget it.. O.O

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I know, my mom's so AWESOME!!! Dude, she even loves watching Vanilla Live! We watch it together almost every day! It's so awesome!!! She even blogs about J-Rock and fanservice sometimes

[daemonette]

she likes fanservice :shock:
my mom would go crazy.. she hates me looking at anything relating to gay i guess. *stashes away yaoi,yuri and fanservice* :evil: :D :D

[Nana007]

Wow, your mom is awesome. The closest my mom would come to liking j-rock was when she said she liked Miyavi's voice, but she keeps mistaking him for a girl in his pictures.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeah, my mom likes fanservice. *is so proud of her mother* It took a lot of hard work to get her to this point though.

[POISONxIVY]

haha that's hilarious we should start a "moms for jrockers" thread and have them post there haha j/k My mom is funny. The other day I took my hair down from wearing it up all day, so it was super messy and my mom came in the room and was like "whoa your hair looks like you were with one of those jrockers last night, which one were you with?" I said "a few!" she laughed and was like "ooh, that's how it is" That made me laugh a lot.

What made me laugh even harder was I got a hole in my pajama pants, a big one in the crotch! I don't know when it happened, but I think when I was on the floor playing with my cats or something, who knows maybe it just happened in the washer, but anyways I said somethiing about this hole in my Pjs and how I didn't know how it got there, and shes like "I think I know how it did, it's from sitting in front of your computer all day looking at those Jrockers, it burnt a hole in your pants!" HAHA! she also made a comment about the hole used for other things but that was just wrong lol this is so off topic but it's funny. My mom tries to pick out which Jrockers are more me and my sisters(normphobic) type. She usually gets it right too! She loves the girly looking guys and guys who dress differently, so it's cool.

[pinkkillerkisou]

I really do hate stereotypes. I mean if you fall under one thats fine, like some people are just flat out punk (like Retia haha) but what about the people like me or you (PKK) that look different everday and dont stick to one style or genre or whatever. I agree with you, meeting anyone in this world that is half way decent is hard these days!
Perhaps people like us are the 'whatevers' they are talking about :? :D I'd say original but even that seems to be a sterotypes these days, too :sick:

[SaKeVi]

Hehehehe.

Well, about being elitist, I have a good example, just look at yourselves saying "j-rock" lots of times, eventhough we are in a japanese music forum, you have to remind it everytime.

It is damn elitist to say "j-rock" when it is JUST ROCK, you sound like it is unique, and japanese created it.

Anyways, when I started to say just rock, pop, punk or whatever it is (yup, without the stupid "j" before it) people get interested on it, just for fun or curiosity.

About rabid fangirls, you just have to go to an anime expo, right?? (or a Visual Kei forum :relief: )
I think there is a more dangerous kind on fan: the one who can't look further from the same 5 bands: X, L'arc En Ciel, Dir En Grey, Malice Mizer and _________ (put your favorite band there ^^) and thanks to that, good bands or projects are minimized or rejected.

Believe it or not, people relate "j-rock" with otakus, and we all know what kind of people otakus are.

That's my experience, if you match with one of the things I've said, I'm so sorry :blush:

[Dollporn]

Uhm.... Jrock is very different from western rock. Don't know what you mean exactly :?:

And when it comes to otakus it's actually very hard to know what one actually means when using that word.
An animenerd (usual norwegian entepretation of it), a home sitter whith bad social antennas(the japanese meaning I think) or a western person "trying to be japanese" (I think americans came up with that use of the word).

[POISONxIVY]

Hehehehe.

Well, about being elitist, I have a good example, just look at yourselves saying "j-rock" lots of times, eventhough we are in a japanese music forum, you have to remind it everytime.

It is damn elitist to say "j-rock" when it is JUST ROCK, you sound like it is unique, and japanese created it.



Why do you have japcore in your profile then? Shouldn't you just have core?

I personally think that your whole post would fit more into the categorey of "elitist" than us using the term jrock... but that's just my oppinion, just like you have yours.

[yuna_leska]

*buts in*oh oh!!I have a recent story!!I have a 2 j-rock t-shirts of Dir en Grey and hide *proud* and one time, I was late for school(again) so when I got on the public bus, and pratically the WHOLE bus was filled with goths. I went to sit down in the back and one of the goths screamed "OMG IT'S DIR EN GREY!" and came up to me. It was cool in the beginning because we shared what we knew about them and such, but when I said that their new single(Cleaver Sleazoid) didn't make any sense,(I speak both english and french and this was a french conversation), she started to criticize me on how I didn't know anything about the meaning of the song. She OBVIOUSLY didn't speak english so how would she know? Her friends started to stare at me like they were gonna murder me ^^' She concluded that I was just a j-rock wannabe and ignored me afterwards. I laugh at her...Is it MY fault that Kyo's bad in english(which is cute ><)??And she even mistook Kaoru for Toshiya on my shirt...so who's the wannabe now???

[daemonette]

Hehehehe.

It is damn elitist to say "j-rock" when it is JUST ROCK, you sound like it is unique, and japanese created it.


:okashii: im not even going to try, you already sound idiotic :D :D




*I said that their new single(Cleaver Sleazoid) didn't make any sense,(I speak both english and french and this was a french conversation), she started to criticize me on how I didn't know anything about the meaning of the song.

haha i usually like to read the lyrics to dir en greys songs because its kinda like a storey :D i really love their lyrics.. but cleaver sleazoid is pretty random. just out of no where "one day i will **** your parents" :D :D cleaver sleazoid amuses me :blush:

[Kinsao]

when I said that their new single(Cleaver Sleazoid) didn't make any sense,(I speak both english and french and this was a french conversation), she started to criticize me on how I didn't know anything about the meaning of the song.

IMO, Clever Sleazoid is one of those songs that can make sense, but no one will ever know if it is making the 'right' sense to them. If you know what I mean... :mad:

If that girl thought she 'understood' Clever Sleazoid, she must have been talking crap, because no one can ever possibly know all the meaning of a song. :okashii: It is better to be like you and say it doesn't make any sense to you, than pretend to understand.

[yuna_leska]

Yeah...but i'm glad that there are other fans in QUEBEC,CANADA. I live in the crappiest city...ha...and the "one day I will F*** your parents" amuses me too! It's so random.. "darkkk dark sunday, blood stains...you can't save yourselffff" and then ,out of NOWHERE, comes out the reason why Kyo can get scary sometimes...

[Normphobic]

Okay, so I finally decided to read this thread, because my sister was talking to me about it today. Okay, I lied a bit, I didn't actually read it all, but I did skim over a few posts haha. I'm glad I did, because it was so humorous!

I can't believe someone was actually trying to say that being "goth" is a culture, because of an East Germanic tribe that originated in Scandinavia! (Yeah, get your facts straight, they took over parts of the Roman empire.) I really hope you don't believe that's what you decend from, because they were known as being barbarics! How do you know what they dressed like?

Goth is a modern subculture, it's not historic. It began in the late 70's music scene when a subgenre of post punk was created (gothic music or death rock). No affiliation to the Goths, the style of 15th century architecture, or 19th century literature! The gothic style (clothing) actually came from the Victorian era (note the pale skin) due to their obsession with Christian funeral practices (thus the all black attire).

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound like an "elitist" as this thread is about. I'm just trying to clear up some misconceptions. You are probably young and trying to get away from stereotypes. Believe me, I've been through it all (I have been wearing all black for nearly 10 years now). I, however, don't consider myself to be associated with a particular group. My friends don't wear all black, and in school I never hung out with those who did. I don't care what people dress like or what label they are. That's one of the things I hate about cliques. I have friends that you can categorize in every group there is (and some you'd have to create names for)!

People need to learn to just be themselves (and that has nothing to do with the style of dress you wear). Also, you have to remember, when you are young you go through many phases. I wouldn't worry too much about what schoolmates are claiming to be, because next year there will be a new trend to follow!

[SaKeVi]

Why do you have japcore in your profile then? Shouldn't you just have core?

Hmmm why would it be??

Maybe because that style was CREATED by Gauze, it is an UNIQUE punk style born in Norther Japan, and if you don't know who is Gauze (a legendary punk band around the world) I can't help you at all :wave:

im not even going to try, you already sound idiotic

Why, because it is true?? it is more idiotic to try to argue without arguments, don't you think?? :blush:

I'm going to listen swe-punk, mex-punk and maybe some yug-punk... it is almost like a japanese wannabe fashion to use stupid tags, right??

j-rock XDDDDDD

[daemonette]

Why, because it is true?? it is more idiotic to try to argue without arguments, don't you think?? :blush:


im not trying to argue? :blush: it just seems like your trying to start something in here,when you dont even make sense.. that is why i think your idiotic :wave:

[SaKeVi]

im not trying to argue? :blush: it just seems like your trying to start something in here,when you dont even make sense.. that is why i think your idiotic :wave:

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just saying the truth, rock is rock, pop is pop, even if you try to feel special by adding a stupid "j" before it.

Maybe I'm idiotic, and why don't we start to call things with their real name??? japanese rock is rock in the end, and again, if we are in a JAPANESE forum, it is so obvious that we will talk about japanese bands, so I still think it is useless to say "j-rock, j-pop, j-whatever"

If that's not idiotic, I don't know what idiotic is for you :sorry:

[pinkkillerkisou]

Guys, guys, guys... *shakes head* since when did specifying where the music you listen to comes from become elitist. Chill out. :okashii:

[Kinsao]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. :souka:

Personally, I see SaKeVi's point. I like rock music and if someone asks me what kind of music I listen to, that is what I say. Sometimes, I also say... "and I've been listening to a lot of Japanese rock music lately". I think everyone will agree that it's rock music (or pop... or metal... or punk... etc...) first and foremost, and the fact that it's Japanese is secondary. And calling music "J-rock" often adds fuel to that conflagration of "why do you like J-rock better than western music?", which is (for most of us) blatantly untrue.

I think "J-rock" is just a tag that people adopted because they're talking about only Japanese music, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. But I do think that it tends to build up barriers rather than breaking them down.

People need to learn to just be themselves

Word. :p

[POISONxIVY]

Why, because it is true?? it is more idiotic to try to argue without arguments, don't you think?? :blush:


I think what is idiotic is you posting in this thread.

[POISONxIVY]

Mr. Elitist, if rock is rock, and punk is punk, why isn't core, simply core then?

[Nana007]

I use J-Rock only for the most parts, when in forums. When I talk about it in general I say rock or Japanese Rock. Or sometimes I don't mention either, if I am talking about my friends, I might say I have found this new artist who I have been totally obsessing over. It might be J-Rock/J-Pop or it might be other type of music.

Like for example recently I was at a family's members house. I was listening to Miyavi on my headphone, and I had the cd case in my hand. When my cousin asked who SHE was I said oh HE is a Japanese musician, but don't worry cause you probaly won't like it anyways.

As far as the whole Otaku thing, I like anime, but I don't consider myself an anime nerd, or an otaku. I just like anime. Otaku is a level of nerdiness I refuse to go. It might come to a surprise, but my life does not revolve around anime and "J-Rock"...It revolves around my computer.

[yuna_leska]

I mostly say I listen to JAPANESE rock because I don't particularly listen to american rock bands. If I say I listen to rock only, people tend to ask "what group?*insert various american band names here*?" I can't really answer without saying that the bands I listen to are japanese...And then they ask me to show pics of random j-rockers and conclude I must be mentally ill when I say they're guys X_X

[SaKeVi]

Mr. Elitist, if rock is rock, and punk is punk, why isn't core, simply core then?

Well Mrs "I don't contribute at all in this threat, I just make spam", it is because there are different kinds of "core" music, actually, after I owned you with the japcore thing, I have to ask all of you this:

When did "j-rock" became a style of rock??? it is just ROCK SANG IN JAPANESE!!!!

But well, it is useless to explain it for you poison, I think I'll have to explain it with apples or bring up here the muppets, to see if you can understand my point, I'm not asking you to think like me, just try to understand what I'm talking about, just as Kinsao did :wave:

Guys, guys, guys... *shakes head* since when did specifying where the music you listen to comes from become elitist. Chill out.

When you put useless tags to music, making it with the only purpouse to make it "different" from everything else (eventhough it is just the same thing as worldwide rock, as I said) I consider it becomes elitist... what's the difference with Thailand rock?? Mexican rock?? Argentinian Rock?? as music they have the same structure, the difference is just the language (supposely, because a lot of japanese artists sing in english... or at least they try ^^ )

And only for that japanese rock has to be different from the rest of rock music?? and another thing, most of people I know say that japanese music is the best, and putting your "j-rock" above "regular music" becomes an elitist attitude.

And if I offended you daemonette, I apologize... and if Poison thinks my posts are "idiotic", why are you replying them?? you are just becoming as idiotic as I'm supposed to be :p

[hebiichigo]

When you put useless tags to music, making it with the only purpouse to make it "different" from everything else (eventhough it is just the same thing as worldwide rock, as I said) I consider it becomes elitist... what's the difference with Thailand rock?? Mexican rock?? Argentinian Rock?? as music they have the same structure, the difference is just the language (supposely, because a lot of japanese artists sing in english... or at least they try ^^ )

And only for that japanese rock has to be different from the rest of rock music?? and another thing, most of people I know say that japanese music is the best, and putting your "j-rock" above "regular music" becomes an elitist attitude.

So, do you think the creator of these forums are elitist because this subforum (is that even the right word?) is labelled "J-Pop" and not just "Pop"? :relief: Because Japanese pop is just pop music sung in Japanese. And after we all talk mainly about Japan so we should just know that this is a forum for Japanese music even if it's not labelled "J-Pop"... Right? :p
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think people use the term "J-rock" in order to be elitist. It probably doesn't cross their mind at all. In my opinion, if they're not actually thinking, "I'll say it like THIS so that I look better than everyone else.." they're not trying to be elitist at all. I think it's so widely used people just don't notice. I don't think it's that big of a deal :sorry:

[POISONxIVY]

I never said Jrock was a style of rock, so I don't know what you are getting at with this. I never disagreed with you that japanese rock music is just rock music that is from japan, and has japanese members in it. If you don't like the letter J in front of things, why are you in a Jpop forum? It doesn't make much sense to me.

I don't need apples, or muppets to understand japcore, but a nice red delicious would be tasty right now.

The term Japcore is used to refer to a series of fast-paced punk bands, from Japan. The original intent of Japcore, was to protest the social, and economic changes, sweeping Japan. GISM are considered by many, to be the founding fathers of Japcore. Most Japcore artists include elements of crust punk, anarcho punk, & d-beat in their songs, and focus on issues of global warming, disarming nuclear weapons, and corruption caused by capitalism.

I just think it is idiotic of you to come to a thread titled Jpop and complain about people using the terms jpop and jrock. Why does it matter if someone says Jrock? Who cares? Do you have nothing better to do than complain about what someone calls a genre of music? I couldn't care less that you use the term japcore, I was just trying to bring it up as a point that you can include jap in front of something, but why can't other people include a j?

Why do you have to belittle complete strangers on the internet? You are doing exactly what this thread is talking about, I don't know if that was your initial intentions. Either way you would be well advised to drop it, and leave the forum if it bothers you that much that people say Jrock. Let people express themselves however they want. Here in America we have something called freedom of speech... I like that.

Jrock - Amen.

[yuna_leska]

:bravo: nicely said!!!:cool: :cool:

[Kinsao]

Misunderstandings abound... :mad:

I was confused, because I could see SaKeVi's point about the term "J-rock", but I didn't see how that tied in with being "elitist". I mean, I was thinking that the whole hydra-like debate about music classifications, what to call stuff, and "is Japanese music different? and/or better?" was somehow getting tangled up with the issue of "elitist", which is a different thing. But people's last posts have kinda straightened things out as I see them:

When you put useless tags to music, making it with the only purpouse to make it "different" from everything else (eventhough it is just the same thing as worldwide rock, as I said) I consider it becomes elitist...

Aha - now I can see why you were making that association, because you have explained what was going on in your head. :relief:
But I think you're wrong there... I don't think people say "J-rock" because they want to be different and think it's "better" than non-Japanese music. Hebiichigo phrased it better than I can:

I don't think people use the term "J-rock" in order to be elitist. It probably doesn't cross their mind at all. In my opinion, if they're not actually thinking, "I'll say it like THIS so that I look better than everyone else.." they're not trying to be elitist at all. I think it's so widely used people just don't notice.

But...
most of people I know say that japanese music is the best, and putting your "j-rock" above "regular music" becomes an elitist attitude.

Aha, getting to another different point, yes, that would be elitist to think like that. In fact, there is so much music out there it's not possible to listen to everything, but I make an effort to try and listen to stuff from different countries because I don't want to fall into that trap of limiting my listening (besides, otherwise I'd miss out on some good stuff! :p ).

But I don't think that's what is in the minds of people here, although I'm not denying there are fans like that. In fact, there have been discussions in this sub-forum about whether Japanese music is actually "better" than non-Japanese (I think most people are agreed that to think so would be racist, and judge music on technical skills and personal taste primarily). What people were discussing in this thread was elitism among fans of Japanese rock music - i.e. people who think they know more about certain bands, or think they are somehow "better fans", or think they are "more J-rock" because of the way they dress... and crap like that. :okashii: Because, at the moment it's not so common to find people in the west who listen to Japanese music, so there's a feeling that we should stick together, support each other and be friendly! :p

The term Japcore is used to refer to a series of fast-paced punk bands, from Japan. The original intent of Japcore, was to protest the social, and economic changes, sweeping Japan. GISM are considered by many, to be the founding fathers of Japcore. Most Japcore artists include elements of crust punk, anarcho punk, & d-beat in their songs, and focus on issues of global warming, disarming nuclear weapons, and corruption caused by capitalism.

Thank you for explaining Japcore to me. I'm really bad at categories of music, and although I'd heard of Japcore I had no idea of the sound. I like music of GISM and I knew they were a punk band because DemonHunter had told us about them, but I can honestly say that if I'd listened to them without knowing that already, I would never have known their "classification"! :bluush: It's the same with The Zolge - for so many times I heard them described as "a punk band" but when I finally got to hear them, their music seemed to me exactly like the kind of stuff I'd have described as "rock"! :mad: I don't like classifications... I suck at them. :(

[POISONxIVY]

I'm confused kinsao. Why does it say you are quoting sunsweet, wasn't that quote from me? Or did I miss something here? haha

[Normphobic]

Classifications aren't really that important, and when genres cross-over then it really gets tricky when people ask you to categorize a band. I don't use the term Jrock when talking to my friends about what I'm listening to, I always say, "I'm listening to a Japanese metal band." Or whatever genre it is I happen to be listening to at the time. And saying the band is Japanese isn't elitist of me either, because I do that with almost every type of music I listen to. I listen to a lot of international music, so I always specify countries (Belgian EBM, German synthpop, South African gothic rock, etc.)

I have never heard of tagging a country to a genre just because they created it. If that were the case then why don't we say Ameripunk or Britgoth? It's simply punk and goth. Jrock is a broader term, because a lot of times it's applied to music that might not be classic rock. It just means the band is from Japan, and it makes things a lot easier by using it sometimes. Putting people down for their vocabulary doesn't make you look any better. I will never understand why people who lack self-esteem feel the need to degrade others in order to feel good about themselves. We are in a Jpop forum, if putting a J in front of something really bothers you that much, then why did you come here?

[Kinsao]

I'm confused kinsao. Why does it say you are quoting sunsweet, wasn't that quote from me? Or did I miss something here? haha

Oh - sorry if I quoted the wrong person. :sorry:
Today's Kinsao = :mad: :mad: :mad:

[POISONxIVY]

haha it's okay I thought I was going crazy lol!

[Nana007]

It's easier to just say J-Rock. Now when people just go and say things like J-Punk, J-Goth, J-Ska, J-Metal, J-DeathMetal J-Emo and all those other classifications it becomes kind of elitists. J-Rock is just an umbrella term for me.

As far as do I think I am better cause I listen to Japanese music or do I think I am unique. I am not better, I might be a little bit open minded, but not better. Am I unique helk no. I know at least 12 other people in my circle who listen to J-Rock from the Hardcore fan, to the I like a few songs from this artist, but its really not my thing. Thats like saying my friend who listens electroclash (which I love) is better than us cause she is the only one really into it. I think that people who listen TO ONLY J-Rock as if its the only worthwhile music to listen to are elitists. To say I am on this forum so much, J-Rock really isn't that much my favorite music. Out of the 9.67 GB's of music on my computer (Yea my comp is dead) only about 2 of it is JMusic.

Now a person who doesn't know me might think thats all I listen to, cause I have more J-Rock cd's than any other artist. But thats just cause I don't buy cd's unless I really like and want to support the artist. I support my FAV j-rock artists (the rest get downloaded) because I want them to see that even if it is one fan they have one fan from X and they might come here.

[SaKeVi]

Well, I think that I have to clarify something: I'm talking about this because I have lived this situation, before and everyday... I should have investigated before making this if you fit on what I have defined as "jappers" (some japanese wannabe freaks) or not, but in ispite of this, I still believe on what I'm saying.

Hmmm, let's make this by parts:

So, do you think the creator of these forums are elitist because this subforum (is that even the right word?) is labelled "J-Pop" and not just "Pop"? Because Japanese pop is just pop music sung in Japanese. And after we all talk mainly about Japan so we should just know that this is a forum for Japanese music even if it's not labelled "J-Pop"... Right?

Mmmm, he is not "elitist", after all, this is a Japan Forum... and talking about personal experiences, I have to say that some forums are "elitist" (NOT this one) because they have a music forum and *boom*, you can see an special subforum of "jpop"... why don't they open a British music subforum?? or even a mexican music subforum?? This could be elitist, don't you think so??

And talking about this forum, I think I can use again what I said before: if this is a JAPANESE forum, why do you have to use the "j" tag?? it is redundant, it's like asking "what does the cooking channel show??" I think it is implicit that we are going to talk about japanese music in a japanese forum, so I think the "j" here is useless :-)

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think people use the term "J-rock" in order to be elitist. It probably doesn't cross their mind at all. In my opinion, if they're not actually thinking, "I'll say it like THIS so that I look better than everyone else.." they're not trying to be elitist at all. I think it's so widely used people just don't notice. I don't think it's that big of a deal

Thanks for understanding what I'm trying to explain, I know also that I didn't make it on a right way, but I felt dissapointed to see that even in other parts of the world the japanese music listeners would be the same as the ones I have to put up with everyday on some forums.

Sadly, that thing that you say happens here in Latin America, here the "otakus" (speciallyin Mexico) kidnapped japanese music and made it an elitist thing... they made a "clich�" that all japanese music is just the anime intros and endings, and if you listen to japanese music you are an otaku, and even worse: if you are not an otaku you can't listen to japanese music... also, they affirm that Visual Kei is a music style (:okashii: ) when it is just an aesthetic style.

I guess that if you say you're not making it for being elitist, I have to believe it :sorry:

I never said Jrock was a style of rock, so I don't know what you are getting at with this. I never disagreed with you that japanese rock music is just rock music that is from japan, and has japanese members in it. If you don't like the letter J in front of things, why are you in a Jpop forum? It doesn't make much sense to me.

You're right, you never said that, I tried to make a general question, that pointed to you at the end... and about the second thing, I'm here because I like music from Japan, not because you (all) use or not a "j"... also, I'm not very active here, and I don't like Visual Kei too, but I'm not posting in every threat what I think about them, right?

I don't need apples, or muppets to understand japcore, but a nice red delicious would be tasty right now.

I was talking about what I was saying in general, not only japcore... again, I'm not good expressing what I think >_<

The term Japcore is used to refer to a series of fast-paced punk bands, from Japan. The original intent of Japcore, was to protest the social, and economic changes, sweeping Japan. GISM are considered by many, to be the founding fathers of Japcore. Most Japcore artists include elements of crust punk, anarcho punk, & d-beat in their songs, and focus on issues of global warming, disarming nuclear weapons, and corruption caused by capitalism.

Heh, you know what?? I hate wikipedia :blush: it is so contradictory that it makes me get mad... it is correct only until G.I.S.M. (not gism) because they are not a japcore band, and never will be, they were a crossover of hardcore punk and heavy metal. Also, japcore (as it says) is a fast-pace rhythm, and d-beat is a down tempo rhythm... mix them and you get hardcore or crust punk, not Japcore.

Do you want to hear a pure Japcore band?? try Gauze, and compare Pa Pa Pa; Yama Hukaku Yuki Imada Tokez; Ha Wo Kuishibare or Kao o aratte denaoshite koi songs with Nuclear armed hogs of G.I.S.M. to see what I'm talking about.

But hey, that's not what we are talking about here girl :p so if you need more info or something (I doubt it) PM me.

I just think it is idiotic of you to come to a thread titled Jpop and complain about people using the terms jpop and jrock. Why does it matter if someone says Jrock? Who cares? Do you have nothing better to do than complain about what someone calls a genre of music? I couldn't care less that you use the term japcore, I was just trying to bring it up as a point that you can include jap in front of something, but why can't other people include a j?

I explained the whole "jpop" on a "jpop" forum... and well, maybe you're right that it doesn't matter, but I consider it does matter for things like THIS... (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20144) <-- click there if someone don't notice ｬ_ｬ

As I said in the beginning if this post (and also on that threat) some people rejects "jpop" because of the pure tag, not because they are racist or not interested, lots of people have told me that when they hear jpop or j-whatever, sounds like they feel "unique" or "special"... I'm not saying people aren't wrong, but that's what many people who don't know about japanese music think about it.

And for the "core" thing, I said it before: japcore is unique, is only played in Japan, you won't find it easily around the world (only some bands in U.S. are influenced by japcore) because in punk, japanese bands INVENTED it... it is like the brit-pop thing, I guess, it is a particular kind of pop that describes what they play, or something like that :p

Why do you have to belittle complete strangers on the internet? You are doing exactly what this thread is talking about, I don't know if that was your initial intentions. Either way you would be well advised to drop it, and leave the forum if it bothers you that much that people say Jrock. Let people express themselves however they want. Here in America we have something called freedom of speech... I like that.

Jrock - Amen.

Hehehehe, I'm not trying to belittle anyone here (and if it looks like, I'm sorry) and I'm not trying to sound like an expert of japanese music... I just like it because I was part of it for a time and that made me love punk and heavy metal from Japan.

And you're right, you have freedom of speech, just as I do, and if my speeches are just offensive for you or anyone else, you have the option of ignore me, as I have ignored most of threats in this forum (like picture threats...)

You can name it j-whatever, I don't have the enough power to make you change your mind, but I also have my reasons why I think what I think, and as I said before to you, I'm not trying to make you think the same way I do, I just came to this threat to say what I think about those tags.

I'll continue on a next post for kinsao, normphobic and nana posts.

[SaKeVi]

Let's continue:

I was confused, because I could see SaKeVi's point about the term "J-rock", but I didn't see how that tied in with being "elitist". I mean, I was thinking that the whole hydra-like debate about music classifications, what to call stuff, and "is Japanese music different? and/or better?" was somehow getting tangled up with the issue of "elitist", which is a different thing.

I know I didn't explain it before, in my last post, I explained why I associate the tag with being elitist, I'm sorry.

Aha - now I can see why you were making that association, because you have explained what was going on in your head.

But I think you're wrong there... I don't think people say "J-rock" because they want to be different and think it's "better" than non-Japanese music.

Well, I think I shouldn't generalize anymore... but hey, I know a lot of people (unfortunately) who affirm that japanese music is better than non japanese music, that's where all my rage comes from :relief:

What people were discussing in this thread was elitism among fans of Japanese rock music - i.e. people who think they know more about certain bands, or think they are somehow "better fans", or think they are "more J-rock" because of the way they dress... and crap like that.

Hmm, so did I, but I'm sorry if I took it to a general level, as I said, I have to live with that everyday and it is upsetting.

Because, at the moment it's not so common to find people in the west who listen to Japanese music, so there's a feeling that we should stick together, support each other and be friendly!

And why is that feeling for?? as you said before, that attitude just build up barriers instead of breaking them down :p

Thank you for explaining Japcore to me. I'm really bad at categories of music, and although I'd heard of Japcore I had no idea of the sound. I like music of GISM and I knew they were a punk band because DemonHunter had told us about them, but I can honestly say that if I'd listened to them without knowing that already, I would never have known their "classification"!

I'm sorry, but as always, wikipedia is wrong with that term of japcore... never trust wikipedia!!

Classifications aren't really that important, and when genres cross-over then it really gets tricky when people ask you to categorize a band. I don't use the term Jrock when talking to my friends about what I'm listening to, I always say, "I'm listening to a Japanese metal band." Or whatever genre it is I happen to be listening to at the time. And saying the band is Japanese isn't elitist of me either, because I do that with almost every type of music I listen to. I listen to a lot of international music, so I always specify countries (Belgian EBM, German synthpop, South African gothic rock, etc.)

Hmmm, I get what you're saying, but I have to ask: why only japanese music is tagged??? you're right, some times we need to specify where is the band from, but I have never heard any "country tag" (maybe brit-pop) for any music band who haven't "patented" a music style.

I have never heard of tagging a country to a genre just because they created it. If that were the case then why don't we say Ameripunk or Britgoth? It's simply punk and goth.

Japcore, he is normphobic... normphobic, it is japcore :blush:

Japcore was named like that as it could be called UltraFastAnarchistAnticapitalismVeganismAntinuclea rAndImperialismCore, I don't know, maybe it was just easier for them to call it "japcore" =/

Jrock is a broader term, because a lot of times it's applied to music that might not be classic rock. It just means the band is from Japan, and it makes things a lot easier by using it sometimes.

So, if the band isn't rock, it is correct to call it "jrock"??? if you think it is, you are just lying, aren't you??

Anyways, I KNOW that the other person will ask you "uh? what is jrock??", and you will have to explain "well, it is japanese rock"... I'm sure it has happened to all of you.

And coming to that point, if you talk to a japanese music fan about L'arc en Ciel, he already knows that they are japanese, the same happens with X, Luna Sea, Malice Mizer, Ayumi Hamasaki (and so on...) so, why do you use that "j" tag, if both of you ALREADY KNOW that you're talking of japanese bands??? I just don't get it.

Putting people down for their vocabulary doesn't make you look any better. I will never understand why people who lack self-esteem feel the need to degrade others in order to feel good about themselves. We are in a Jpop forum, if putting a J in front of something really bothers you that much, then why did you come here?

I know, but if you look at me as a better person, that's just because I'm charming :blush:

Ad I said, I'm not here because you use a "j" before a music style, I'm here because I like music from Japan, and also, I'm not here to be friend of all you, I search for any "new" bands info or helping on a threat when I can make it.

So, if you don't like my posts, you have a panel option of ignore an user, go ahead, and do it, but you can't stop me of posting here, and give my opinions even if I'm wrong :wave:

I think that's all for now, if I offended to all of you I'm sorry, and well, I'm open to continue discussing this thing, it is up to you, and as I said to normphobic, if you don't want me here, just ignore me!! :cool:

See you later.

[Nana007]

Had to dig up this thread because of this http://myspace-867.vo.llnwd.net/00601/76/89/601819867_l.jpg
:bawling: Wah that fan scares me :bawling:

[Champloo]

:mad: And I thought I was weird for drawing Kyo's tattoo on my hand. :souka:

[Nana007]

no champloo compared to that person you are normal.

[Rancid__]

Had to dig up this thread because of this http://myspace-867.vo.llnwd.net/00601/76/89/601819867_l.jpg
:bawling: Wah that fan scares me :bawling:
That just freaks/spooks me out!!!:(

[Ch_Niimura]

I used to do this kind of things...not with DEG but other groups I liked. But I stop doing that because my mom saw the scars and asked me...and...well you know how moms are xD

[grenadeglovegirl]

That's a little...obsessive....of that girl. Hmmm....well I guess everyone has their own things. One of my best friends when I was like, 12, carved her crush's initials into her ankle and attempted to fill it with ink, she said she was trying to make a tattoo. She was weird, XD

I mean, some people get band related tattoos, so I guess a scar is almost the same thing :souka:

Except more weird. Haha :blush:

[Ch_Niimura]

a tatoo but more weird, exactly xD

[Ophelia]

i've never seen anyone dressing up visual or goth my whole life :(, hey i wonder if u guyz really putting on outfits and makeups like jrockers everyday?

[Champloo]

no champloo compared to that person you are normal.

:smug: So, if it were not for that person, i'd be considered really weird? :smoke: That's hot.

[Ch_Niimura]

I do make-up like a visual kei star in my everyday life ^^

[yukio_michael]

I think sometimes the worst trait about the jrock/visual scene is that its practioners rarely can see their own obsessive traits, let alone aptly level the blame for these types of traits at others. The Jrock forum... I just called it the Jrock forum without even thinking, because let's put our cards on the table, despite there being a wide variety of different and interesting types of music in Japan (which I emplore you to sometime check out...), the forum is filled with thread after thread comparing which Jrocker is the cutest... not exactly a level indication of non-obsession.

[Ophelia]

thats just for fun dude

[Champloo]

Fun...pfft :smug: We all know who owns them all.

[Ophelia]

:evil:hehehehee :smoke:

[Ch_Niimura]

:o eh? :-S

[Nana007]

I think sometimes the worst trait about the jrock/visual scene is that its practioners rarely can see their own obsessive traits, let alone aptly level the blame for these types of traits at others. The Jrock forum... I just called it the Jrock forum without even thinking, because let's put our cards on the table, despite there being a wide variety of different and interesting types of music in Japan (which I emplore you to sometime check out...), the forum is filled with thread after thread comparing which Jrocker is the cutest... not exactly a level indication of non-obsession.


I listen to alot of other types of music than JRock or specifically VK. So you really shoudn't generalize.

[yukio_michael]

I listen to alot of other types of music than JRock or specifically VK. So you really shoudn't generalize.I don't think I am generalizing when I say that 98% of the threads on the first page of this forum are JRock threads, and that a good 5-6 of those threads are simply So and So of le Bons Mots du Temps Pretençion is Soooooh Cute!!!!!~1 threads written by the so-called rabid fans this thread discusses.

It makes the forum fairly useless for anyone who isn't a) 16 years old or b) a so-called rabid Jrock fan, or god help us, a bit of both.

[Champloo]

I am not 16, and I am not rabid..and yet, I post here. GASP! I think you are just having a wee bit of a close minded issue. :?

[Nana007]

I am not 16 years old either. And yea you do have a few threads like that, but if you actually go into an artists thread most (except for miyavis :sick: ) has actual discussions on the :shock: music. And while I used to participate in all those whos the hottest, sexiest, lately I have been getting tired of it and the recent influx of fangirls that a few months ago this thread seemed to lack.

[yukio_michael]

And while I used to participate in all those whos the hottest, sexiest, lately I have been getting tired of it and the recent influx of fangirls that a few months ago this thread seemed to lack.I think even if we split Jrock into it's own forum (something I am for) that you'll still have these types of threads being made--- and it's difficult to dictate to people what types of threads they can write, but I would imagine as you say, it must get boring for those who read this sub-forum daily to read the same types of threads. I guess we'll see.

[Dollporn]

Damn, I wrote the longest post and got logged out. Lucky for you.

Anyway I'm a bit of a fangirl, I do obsess and I do call names at concerts. I don't see what's wrong with that, because these are people that I look up to.

I'd also say that it's okey to split j-rock from western music(by tagging or whatever the **** you call it) because it is different FROM WESTERN MUSIC.
Don't get me wrong, j-rock is mainstream music in japan, but I've never heard anything that isn't at least asian that sounds like j-rock.
Also, people into rock and punk (here) thinks that j-rock is basically about guys who dress like girls who can't play their instruments, so lumping the fans of these genres into one pile gets a bit confusing.
Frankly, I don't care if it's good or bad. I like it, so I listen to it. If someone asks I usually say I listen to japanese rock or hard-pop or pop.
I wouldn't say that's got anything to do with racism or elitism...

And to keep on topic as well: carving stuff into your arm is just ******* stupid. My opinion can not be turned on this.

[yukio_michael]

Anyway I'm a bit of a fangirl, I do obsess and I do call names at concerts. I don't see what's wrong with that, because these are people that I look up to.Assides from being musicians from another country who don't know you? I uh, guess nothing.

I'd also say that it's okey to split j-rock from western music(by tagging or whatever the **** you call it) because it is different FROM WESTERN MUSIC.I'm talking about splitting JRock from Jpop/etc, because you have to sort through 300 Jrock threads to find a single thread about indies music, jpop, etc...

Don't get me wrong, j-rock is mainstream music in japan, but I've never heard anything that isn't at least asian that sounds like j-rock.No, it's not really mainstream in Japan, not in the slightest... I mean, it's not indies music, but do you know how much it's played on the radio, on television, how many visual people you see in the streets? It's not by any means mainstream....

Also, people into rock and punk (here) thinks that j-rock is basically about guys who dress like girls who can't play their instruments, so lumping the fans of these genres into one pile gets a bit confusing.Those people don't understand that Japan is basically a nation where style and content have no meaning when talking about music... a guitar is not always a guitar, sometimes it's just a prop.

[j0ylucky]

I personally think everyone has a small titty bit of a fangirl/boy in them. It's human nature to think so & so is hot/sexy/cute/handsome. That's just my 2 cents though.

[Champloo]

Yeah, what Joy said..it doesn't make us weird, it just makes us fans. This topic is talking about it reaching an extreme.

[yukio_michael]

Yeah, what Joy said..it doesn't make us weird, it just makes us fans. This topic is talking about it reaching an extreme.But when Jrock fans take it to the extreme... look out! ;)

[j0ylucky]

Seriously.. X__X

[Placebo]

I love how little fangirls try to use the bandmembers real names and mess it up big time. I guess it just makes them feel at one with a certain member when they use their real name or make up a nickname. I am so tired of Totchi its not even funny! They have stage names for a reason.

[Champloo]

I don't like Totchi either. I'd rather call him Toshiya...Totchi sounds rather..strange to me. :?

[j0ylucky]

Totchi for some reason makes me think of a new nickname for your kooter..

[Dollporn]

I still don't see the problem with the name calling, it's like cheering right?
"You're doing it right, I think you're great".
And the j-rock- j-pop thing, yeah, I know it's ******* stupid and it's sad for the jpop fans, but it just so happens that there are not enough fans of Ayumi, Hikaru Utada, Morning Musume, W-inds and the likes on this forum for those threads to live...
I guess liking j-pop is just a more special interest than j-rock. If you go to the Broken Mirror forums they have split it, but the jpop forum has like two threads....

And hey, I learned something new :D I was so sure jrock had to be mainstream, cause my magazines and stuff has soooooo many bands and it's so much about that genre, but I guess I was wrong then.

Yeah, it's human to think this and that person is pretty. What's stupid is to not admit it when you like someone for more than just the music (or even just for the looks and not the music).
But I agree it gets a bit stupid with so many threads with basically the same theme.

Agree on Totchi, I've never gotten that one. And Warumono for Kyo, that's just not very nice... I have to admit I have a tendency to call Daisuke(of Kagerou) Daisu though :relief:
I would never say that to him(hell, I didn't dare say anything to him *hits self*), then I'd use his full name (or the stage name he's chosen, I'm not sure it's his real one).

[Yokan]

I'm abit of a fanboy, but I don't go to 'extremes' as going randomly -
OMFG MIYAVI IS SOO HOOOOOTT!!! HAVE U SEEN HIS NEW LOOK, OMG HIS NEW SINGLE IS LOVE!! <33333333
(I'm not even much of a MYV fan o_O) XD
I think that is fangirl/boy-ism. But thinking whether or not a jrock artist is hot, isn't. It's just a personal opinion, really.

edit: Fangirls/boys tend to like the music just for the bands look alot, which is WRONG. [eg. Gackt, Miyavi, and sometimes Hyde, but Hyde's music is awesome though.]

[Champloo]

<.< >.> <.<;; I WAS DRUNK WHEN THIS OCCURED! UNDERSTOOD?! Ok.

I once called Kyo Waru Kitty. :lol: :? Am I fixing to be exiled? :(

[Ch_Niimura]

I like "Totchi". I sometimes call him Totchi, but I prefer Toshiya though

I don't like call Kyo "Warumono", I don't like how it sounds. Kyo is a beautiful name, I won't change it for Warumono.

[Nana007]

I don't like the nicknames like Meevers, Kao Kao, Shin Shin, Totchi they are all stupid, I believe that nicknames are personal should only be used among family and friends, my nickname Nana holds a lot of meaning for me, I have been called Nana since I was three years old and the people who call me that are people I deeply love.


And I admit I have my fangirl moments, but really is it that bad to look at a picture and ogle it, its human nature to be attracted to beautiful things and many many many J-Rockers are very very very beautiful.

And I am one of those rare members that like J-Pop. I like Morning Musume, W, Koda Kumi, Utada Hikaru...but the majority of the people on this board like J-Rock.

[Champloo]

I like jpop. :blush: Lia is my favourite. :love:

[miafaye]

i like j-pop too!

i really don't feel i have much say in this conversation...
and i respect what everyone fan here has to say
i have only realy started listening to j-rock for about 2 months....

i have heard stuff in the past but never had the acces to it as i do now

it seems that everday i find more and more bands and i am completly pleased with a lot of it!

i do go a bit fangirl but it's mostly @ home ^_^
if anyone here has more bands i can check out and where i can go
please GIMMIE!

oh and as for the nicknames..i don't really like them either and
also think they have a stage name for a reason...
but that's just me...

[JoRuDeNnA]

I like some Jpop songs too! though thats not really my taste XD!
I agree with the nicknames they sound kinda stupid sometimes, and I dont get the point on calling them like that!

I sometimes act Fangirlish but most of the time just for fun. Im not like that in real life haha *well sometimes but is rare on me* but I really think acting that way is funny :D on the other hand JREF and Anit pop are the only places where I can talk about jrock and act that way haha, because I think Im the only person in the whole city who likes this kind of music, and if there's someone else he/she is hidden couse I havent found anyone *its a really sad situation believe me* thanks god I love lots other kinds of music and artists mainly mexican so Im not alone in the universe.

[Placebo]

Warumono? WTF?

[Ch_Niimura]

Kao Kao, Shin Shin, I don't like them, but I don't mind if someone use them.

[Coshh]

I think Yukio Michael is being unfair. For the record, I am old (26), it is ten years since I have been schoolgirl. :okashii: I don't appreciate being bundled in with "rabid fangirls" simply because I like j-rock and write comments about it in forums. :box:

It is true, there are some threads that just say "sexiest" or "prettiest" or whatever; to be honest, once I have said my opinion I find those threads a bit boring. If it's boring to me, I don't bother to visit it. End of story. It doesn't take that much figuring out. :wary:

But looking at pictures ain't so bad, is it? How many guys have some posters or pictures of sexy girls somewhere around in their house or like to take a look at sexy pictures every now and again? (I don't mean porn, I mean just bikini pics or something.) Well, do you think the females in this forum (and there are actually not only females here either) have mags with pics of buff blokes tucked about the place? No. Why? Because this sort of place has "our" eye candy. It's our equivalent of the Pirelli calendar. We find the guys attractive.

If you think I'm talking crap, go visit the Entertainment Gallery in this forum and look at the pics there. Y'know, the ones of scantily-clad girls. Then stand up and tell women we're shallow to like pictures.

On a more mellow note, I personally LOVE THE MUSIC. Well, the music of certain bands, so I post about them and ignore threads about bands I don't like. The reason I don't post about j-pop is because I'm not that keen on pop music (I like some pop-ish stuff, but in general it just doesn't appeal to me as much.)

it just so happens that there are not enough fans of Ayumi, Hikaru Utada, Morning Musume, W-inds and the likes on this forum for those threads to live...
Well said. :bravo: That's about the size of it. It's as simple as that: people will post about what they are interested in; if there becomes many j-pop fans on here, well then, those threads will become dominant.

Um, on other subjects... the carving of "Dir en grey" words, I agree also with Dollporn on that... it's not good to hurt yourself... :( It is one of those things that many people do, but that doesn't make it ok. :kanashii: (And I am not saying I have never done it, although never such thing as band name. O_o)

Nicknames, I don't use them. I don't know why but I just don't feel like it's respectful to the person. But to shout out their name at a concert or something, that's normal though isn't it? :souka: It's just a way of showing your support. :)

[Nana007]

Yea Kinsao/Coshh and here eloquently typed posts. You always make a good point.

[Child_prey]

I saw a girl with the kanji for Kyo tatoed on her wrist. It looked nice but I wonder if that is a smart thing to do, I mean, will she like Kyo when she is 80?
And a close freind of mine carved out the names of Deg on her arms... again, not my cup of the but it's their body, the can do what they want with it.

Why this shouthing at girls who scream their names? Boys do it to, it's to show that you admire that person. And the band likes it when a crowd scream their name and want more, it gives them energy. I must say, some guys are worse the so called fangirls, its just that they keep their admiration a secret and act all manly... :p

Anyway, my point is that don't just yell at girls. Most jrockers are very handsome and it is human nature to want to look at beauty. Ofcourse, there are those who just look at pictures and know nothing about the music but lets just ignore them shall we :p :lol: I personally wouldn't give a s*** about example, Dr en grey if they played bad music, their looks is just a bonus.

[Dollporn]

Yeah, that's true. How come guys can always have a bikini callendar on the wall, but girls are only allowed to drool on good-looking guys until they're 14?
Not that it's what this thread is about, haha, I think we're way off topic :relief: Not that that's anything new.

I also like some j-pop, but not too much, and then it's basically just some songs, not groups in genaral...
And yes, if you don't like the boring threads, just skip them, that's what I do. It's threads like these who are fun anyway:P
And personally I think the "I don't like threads with pictures" thing is just as shallow as liking a band mostly for their looks.
Cause if you like the music, then what's it matter what they look like.
Some bands I like because of their music and some bands just look cool, and then I don't listen to their music, just look at pictures, but I wouldn't say that I "like" that band then, I just like their look.

Oh, and crazy fanness:
About the Kyo tattoo, I saw a girl who'd tattooed D'espairs Ray on her back. I just... can't help thinking that's a bit stupid, I mean, I remember how sure I was I was going to like this and that FOREVER when I was a bit younger, but in any case it DOES fade, no matter how great it seemed then.
In any case, my tattoo rule(when I save up the cuorage to get one) will be: No names, no bands, no political symbols.

[Nana007]

Shouting out the names is okay, its those stupid little nicknames which are annoying to me.

[Child_prey]

Yeah. I can understand that. They do have real names and example, Toshiya is way nicer then Totchi.