Editing oddity

[lastmagi]

Whenever I go to edit my posts, the spaces I put between my paragraphs are lost. I guess this is just a mere annoyance since I can fix them, but I'm all for readability and having clearly defined paragraphs so people could follow them (ahem, take some notes, transgressors!). So is this editing oddity just my browser, or is it the site?

Thanks.

[Dutch Baka]

Also happening with my editing.. it's annoying sometimes yeah, especialy when making a large reply, or thread...

[thomas]

As it only happens on this vB and not on fora I'm managing I guess it's somehow related to the JavaScripts we are using in the JREF header. I am not sure yet how to solve that issue. I agree that it's annoying.

[epigene]

As it only happens on this vB and not on fora I'm managing I guess it's somehow related to the JavaScripts we are using in the JREF header. I am not sure yet how to solve that issue. I agree that it's annoying.
Thomas-san,

I'm waiting for it to be corrected. It's not only annoying but difficult to edit for me, with my old, tired eyes.

I've given up on editing...:(

[lastmagi]

Hm, well thanks for the heads up :).

[thomas]

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[Glenn]

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test didn't survive the "quote" function...

[thomas]

I know. I tried to narrow down the problem, however, it is not related to a specific browser or our header. Must be one of the plugins we use...
:clueless:

[jeisan]

maybe the in-post one, while that one doesnt have any problems, it only lasts til you leave the page.

[Dutch Baka]

Thomas-san,
I'm waiting for it to be corrected. It's not only annoying but difficult to edit for me, with my old, tired eyes.
I've given up on editing...:(


Be patient Epigene, I'm sure Thomas-san is doing all his best to fix the problem.

[epigene]

Thank you for your kind words, Dutch-san (hey, I can't call anybody "baka"...)

I'll be patient... I just hope it will be corrected, eventually...:relief:

[DoctorP]

Just bumping this thread to the top. It seems as though this problem has yet to be solved. Is someone still working on it?

[nice gaijin]

Oddly enough, quick edits and the like don't seem to have this problem, but there seems to be no controlling whether I do a quick edit or the edit page loads instead... The carriage returns get lost whenever a new page is loaded, including when "preview post" is clicked while working on a reply.

[DoctorP]

Yeah I only notice it when previewing my posts. It seems that the spacing is right, then I hit preview and the preview is correct, but the text editing block has already deleted all of the paragraph spacing! Drives me nuts!

[epigene]

The problem is bigger when posting in Japanese, since mojibake occurs when the number of characters per line or sentence reaches a certain limit.

This forces me to hit return after each sentence.

Because of this, an extra line becomes absolutely necessary to distinguish between paragraphs.

Imagine what it is like to edit such a post! :(

[Glenn]

It's not when you reach a certain limit that mojibake occurs; the forum inserts a half-width space every 50 half-width characters. So if you put an odd number of half-width characters in the middle of Japanese text, there will be a half-width space inserted in the middle of a Japanese character (because they are full-width), which causes mojibake. To get around this, input everything in full-width characters: parentheses, numbers, letters, commas, etc. I never cut my lines short, and I never get mojibake.

[Kyoko_desu]

Ohhhhhh! Thank you so much, Glenn san!
This problem of mojibake has been driving me crazy, because the more I try to fix it by editing, the more mojibake I got and I always ended up leaving those mojibakes as they were and hoping people could guess what Japanese characters were supposed to be there by the context.
Arigatou gozaimasu!

[epigene]

It's not when you reach a certain limit that mojibake occurs; the forum inserts a half-width space every 50 half-width characters. So if you put an odd number of half-width characters in the middle of Japanese text, there will be a half-width space inserted in the middle of a Japanese character (because they are full-width), which causes mojibake. To get around this, input everything in full-width characters: parentheses, numbers, letters, commas, etc. I never cut my lines short, and I never get mojibake.
I've followed the rule you've mentioned for many months, but it still happens sometimes! :souka:

[Glenn]

Really? I could always fix them when I saw them (from what I remember), and like I've said I've never had a problem since I learned about the forum behavior. I haven't fixed people's posts in a while, though, because that starts getting old after a while. Most of the time people would have something like 100 instead of １００ or a , instead of 、or ( instead of （.

[Edit] Half-width spaces also count, so if you have something like "Glenn" (it happens a lot with my name because it's five letters) or 100, you could put a space after it to make an even number of half-width spaces (like Glenn さん or 100 人). Keep in mind, though, that if you don't put the n+1* character within one of the 50 half-width space blocks, you'll end up with mojibake.

*where n is odd

[JimmySeal]

That's pretty complicated. I wonder if they couldn't change the functionality to insert two half-width spaces instead of one.

I also wonder if there's any way they could let us see the source for the editing feature. Maybe if we all put our heads together someone could come up with a solution.

[Elizabeth]

I've followed the rule you've mentioned for many months, but it still happens sometimes! :souka:
It hasn't been an issue recently, but mojibake has come up for me in all-Japanese posts occasionally in the past as well. The only problem in not
hitting return every half sentence or so is that the lines don't wrap around evenly and you get really crappy looking, weirdly spaced final posts.

Maybe I should try using preview, although it doesn't sound like that is a solultion to many of these editing glitches either. :?

[Glenn]

I'm telling you, if you follow the directions I gave you won't get mojibake. In fact, show me a post with mojibake and I'll fix it, and tell you why it was there.

[Glenn]

That's pretty complicated. I wonder if they couldn't change the functionality to insert two half-width spaces instead of one.

Actually, I'd rather it didn't insert any.

[Pachipro]

Just want to keep this on top. The editing of posts and the "preview post and then post", portions of the site still lump all paragraphs into one and take away previously inserted spaces between paragraphs. Still very annoying. Any luck on this yet?

[JimmySeal]

Actually, I'd rather it didn't insert any.
That, of course, would be the nicest solution, but that might not be an option. If I'm not mistaken, the spaces are inserted to avoid exceeding the maximum string length for some field in the database (for the oh-so-useful search feature). Since Japanese text has no spaces, the text can't be broken up, and the database generates SQL errors and confuses everyone.
If I'm right about that, it's a bit impressive that they figured out how to avoid that problem, yet surprising that nobody can fix the editing problem. On second thought, placing something in the code to avoid inserting those long strings into the database would probably be a way around adding extra spaces.

I'll say again that I'm sure if they showed the relevant part of the source code to some of the more programattically minded people here, someone would figure it out.

[Mars Man]

What kind of possible problem could be the cause of the editing function to just completely disappear? Does anyone know? Help please....:bow:

[DoctorP]

The ability to edit your posts goes away after a period of time. (I believe 24 hours??) If you are having a problem with a newer post however, I am unsure of the problem.

[Elizabeth]

The ability to edit your posts goes away after a period of time. (I believe 24 hours??) If you are having a problem with a newer post however, I am unsure of the problem.
Just how far back you can go I'm not sure, but that time restriction must have been lifted or softened. At least I've recently been able to edit/correct posts from 2-3 days prior. :cool: :cheer:

[Mars Man]

I meant totally...from scratch...no function at all.

[JimmySeal]

Are you unable to edit any of your posts at all, or just certain ones?

[Mars Man]

Thanks for the response JimmySeal san. To be honest, without delving too much at the moment, it's not me, actually. Nevertheless it has happened. The editing function source itself is gone; period.

What possible type of mishap could cause such a thing, I really wonder?

[DoctorP]

so even your last post is unable to be edited?

Stupid question....are you sure that the user in question is still logged in?

[Mars Man]

Thanks again. The user in question has now gotten the edit function back. It may have disappeared when that posters PM function had totally disappeared. Both are back have been retrieved now. But I still want to know what had happened. How is it possible for a single poster to suddenly lose those functions--as though almost on purpose? MM

[DoctorP]

My thought on the matter was this:

Did/does the user have the "remember me" button checked on the login page? If not, then they may be logged out after making a post and therefore the edit fuction would not show up, nor would the PM functions. I just tried logging out and you can still read the threads, but of course these functions are now gone.

[Mars Man]

That's a good point, CC1. I'll see if I can get any information on that. It could solve the problem. Of course, at the same time, I have never messed with that 'remember me' button, and have never had any problem. I'll check it out myself. Thanks for that insight.

It is also of interest that the particular person has been a member of JREF even longer than I have and that a thread which had been started by that poster giving notice of the loss of the edit function actually disappeared for a while--spooky. I'll get back with you on those details. Thanks MM

[Elizabeth]

That's a good point, CC1. I'll see if I can get any information on that. It could solve the problem. Of course, at the same time, I have never messed with that 'remember me' button, and have never had any problem. I'll check it out myself. Thanks for that insight.

Yeah, I'm not sure it could be the problem here...but ensuring I was properly logged in was the first point of inquiry Thomas launched when my PM unexpectedly went out a few months ago.

[Mars Man]

Thanks Elizabeth for your input. I mean you guys surely all know a lot more than I do. It's like, I was doing FORTRAN back in school. . . you know with all those punch cards and stuff... handing it all to the guys behind the counter and waiting some 15~20 minutes for them to get around to running it, then getting back a long sheet with an error loop in it. Back to the drawing board.

Thanks for the information. I kind of feel the same as you, Elizabeth, it could be more than simply that problem here. MM