Monbukagakusho Scholarship for Postgraduate!! [Archive] - Page 5

ooilingfan

Aug 23, 2008, 01:40

japandream,
the time zone difference in the US its like +14hours. some times i stayed up till 4am just to exchange email.

Anyways, I think its better if i didnt reveal the university haha. but i will let you know that it is not one of the imperial universities. He says its one of the top10 univ in Japan. According to my research its not, and my other professor is from Osaka U(rank#3 i think).
He doesnt have a webpage, and he told me that he has alot of foreign students in his lab, so i should "fit in".
I am considering him... that is, after my first 2 options.
I dont need to contact him, he will contact me :) . This are my favorite 2 lines i say to him:
"Thank you, I will take it into consideration"
"The final decision of which univ i am place under is up to MEXT"

akward~~ maybe its a result of "rikei banare". science students are declining so the prof are forced to seek more students haha.

I have heard uni profs are quite positive with MEXT candidates as there are advantages of recruiting MEXT scholars.
reputation wise, more positive exposure to the government, a recognition of credibility, increase chances of securing grants, etc, including saving some money, as i think most private students will ask for some kind of sponsorship from the prof, hence eating into their grants (just like malaysian uni, where we always hunt for rich profs, and rich profs are rich cause the govt gave them more money to encourage postgraduate enrolment).
It's just like an incentive to them. However, there are also other reasons like getting foreign talents into their team, etc etc.

So, it's not a surprise some profs like to take in more MEXT candidates. Anyway, that's just a joint opinion of some seniors and mine. Not an absolute reference and correct me if i'm wrong.

Nall-ohki

Aug 23, 2008, 02:05

Nall-ohki, congrats. We may be able to meet up depending on where you go.

That'd be nice - and here's to hoping we both get to go at all. :)

Rizaric

Aug 23, 2008, 06:52

Yeah, no doubt. Actually... I applied last year for leaving in October, so it's coming up soon for me. I go to the embassy next week to get my visa and package of stuff.

Got lots to do to finish my masters here first though.

abltmusician

Aug 23, 2008, 07:29

I have heard uni profs are quite positive with MEXT candidates as there are advantages of recruiting MEXT scholars.
reputation wise, more positive exposure to the government, a recognition of credibility, increase chances of securing grants, etc, including saving some money, as i think most private students will ask for some kind of sponsorship from the prof, hence eating into their grants (just like malaysian uni, where we always hunt for rich profs, and rich profs are rich cause the govt gave them more money to encourage postgraduate enrolment).
It's just like an incentive to them. However, there are also other reasons like getting foreign talents into their team, etc etc.
So, it's not a surprise some profs like to take in more MEXT candidates. Anyway, that's just a joint opinion of some seniors and mine. Not an absolute reference and correct me if i'm wrong.
ooilingfan,
Interesting points you pointed out! Do you think National Universities are likely to accept students rather than private universities? Because since MEXT is a Government funding, MEXT is more likely to send their scholars to a less expensive national school (I would think, but please correct me if I'm wrong).
Has anyone successfully got acceptances from private universities funded by MEXT???
menrui, good luck with your process! Hope everything works out with your situation!

tomayto

Aug 23, 2008, 12:11

i agree with ooilingfan too, when i contacted the professor (before i know my interview result). one professor are willing to take me into his team with a condition that i got the scholarship. but unfortunately i didnt. haha. so i email him the possibilities of still joining his team if i am able to find funding for my studies. but he never reply he again.hahaha. so absolutely a MEXT scholar is of high regards of the professors. :)
if you check most of japanese universities website you will see a MEXT scholar information. so i didnt think there is an issues of national or private, cheap or expensive fees. i think it is the same. just the matter of the professor willingness to work with you i guess.
just my opinion. hehe

Charles Barkley

Aug 23, 2008, 12:50

Plenty go to private. I am heading off to Waseda (private) in just over a week. I think far more public schools have an official partnership with MEXT, but there are privates that do as well...

ooilingfan

Aug 23, 2008, 14:50

Plenty go to private. I am heading off to Waseda (private) in just over a week. I think far more public schools have an official partnership with MEXT, but there are privates that do as well...

hi charles,
actually i'm curious and interested in your case.
you're actually joining the october intake with MEXT scholarship?
when did you start applying and how does your timeline work?

kouki

Aug 23, 2008, 20:21

So, Malaysians, have you all submitted your LoA? How many of you all asked for delay?

I myself submitted one, then asked for a delay.

Good luck everyone!!!:-)

Charles Barkley

Aug 23, 2008, 22:01

oolingfan: I and a couple of others are special cases. This April, 12 scholarships became available for Americans who had been on the JET program, so I applied then, had my interview in April, found out I had the embassy nomination in early may, got the letter of acceptance from my school in June, got the defininite OK from MEXT in late July, then was placed at my first choice school in mid August.

For normal applicants, that process will be much more spread out.

The program I am entering starts its academic schedule earlier than most schools in Japan, so I will be heading over in early september. It looks like I will have a couple of weeks to get set up, register for classes, etc, before classes start.

ooilingfan

Aug 24, 2008, 01:57

abltmusician

Aug 24, 2008, 05:42

Congratulations Charles Barkley on your acceptance!

What's the JET program about? Is it for graduate students?

Rizaric

Aug 24, 2008, 06:17

Hey Charles, I'm guessing by your nickname that you ball? We should get together and shoot hoops sometime.

Charles Barkley

Aug 24, 2008, 06:27

If you're in Tokyo, I would be down for that. I will probably try to find a group to play with, hopefully a club at Waseda or something. Good way to meet people, get exercise and have some fun.

Charles Barkley

Aug 24, 2008, 06:33

ALBT:

The JET program is a large program sponsored by the Japanese government that sends young people from different countries to Japan to be assistant English teachers in public schools.

Rizaric

Aug 24, 2008, 06:33

I will be.. and I agree with that. Maybe join a mens league team or something like that.

menrui

Aug 24, 2008, 07:02

^Wow, I wish I could join you guys, but I wont be in Tokyo.
Funny story, I stayed in tokyo for a month last year. I played basketball with some local foreigners my 4th day there, someone stepped on my foot and I sprain my ankle. I could walk again after like 2 day, but I could only walk my whole time there. what a way to start right?

AbdouKun

Aug 24, 2008, 19:34

ooilingfan

Aug 24, 2008, 20:01

Alooohaaa Minna-san
I have a question...!
if one gets a LOA from different Univs, How the hell should one pick up the right one (or is it the embassy or MEXT) and how Should one appologise to the others (than the one selected), and are they not gonna be pissed of because of all the trouble caused?

The 'picking' part will be according to the 3 choices that you've listed. But there might be some problem if you wish to change the sequence.

As for rejecting the other 2, well, perhaps should do it as politely as possible. Or you should tell them when you're doing that.
My 2nd Uni asked me upfront whether i'm still applying to any. I said yes and they stopped replying me... =p
anyway, i'm putting all my eggs in one basket....kinda reaalllly risky here

AbdouKun

Aug 24, 2008, 22:22

Well, I witnessed the same thing happening to me, as I was asked if I was applying to other univs, and the answer was yes (but I insisted that their Univ was a priority) but that was the last thing ever heard from them.

Anyway, I believe nothing is easy and the point of this is to filter the students who have strong motivation and good sense of communication from others.

menrui

Aug 24, 2008, 22:54

^hehe did you guys read about my similar problem? Maybe we're talking about the same university.

Anyways, as for writing a rejection letter, here are some things I would suggest:
Don't say that "you" chose a diff univ. Simply say that MEXT choose it with out giving detail as to how. Dont say which university you are entering. Last, apologize and kiss their asses(compliment them).

Charles Barkley

Aug 26, 2008, 00:06

Got my eticket from the travel agent, so I am officially out of here on September 1st.

Rizaric

Aug 26, 2008, 01:38

Wow... thats soon... good luck and see you there!

kimberleylhj

Aug 26, 2008, 13:11

Vyen

Aug 26, 2008, 14:39

Kimberley,
Congrats~~
I am still waiting for the LOA and hope that we can go to Japan together next year....:cool:

ooilingfan

Aug 26, 2008, 15:15

Got my 2nd LOA today! Will be submitting them to the embassy tomorrow and that's it. Pure waiting until next year. Shall concentrate on my job for now... don't know if I can. Haha.. My mind is filled with me flying off to Japan next April. :D Really hope to see you all there!! And would really like to thank everybody here for the great input. Wouldn't be able to get this far without the great help from all.....

haha, good point.
It's so hard to stop thinking bout japan. Hence keep logging in here even at work.
Can't concentrate at all. I wonder what disaster it'll be when i get rejected next Feb.
Positive!positive!

Nall-ohki

Aug 26, 2008, 15:30

haha, good point.
It's so hard to stop thinking bout japan. Hence keep logging in here even at work.
Can't concentrate at all. I wonder what disaster it'll be when i get rejected next Feb.
Positive!positive!

Don't worry - it'll destroy you the first time - a few weeks.
The second time, you'll be hurt for a few days.
Third time, you'll be bummed for the day.

Fourth and fifth times onward - you're used to it!

...not that I'm speaking from experience or anything...

...

menrui

Aug 26, 2008, 23:50

You're killing us Nall.... :(

ooilingfan

Aug 27, 2008, 00:48

You're killing us Nall.... :(

haha, exactly. Damn it.
Hope i can find something to do to dilute the pain of waiting.
And definitely not my job... lost the motivation to fight when thinking of studies. Just realised how much i enjoyed studying.

Nall-ohki

Aug 27, 2008, 02:15

haha, exactly. Damn it.
Hope i can find something to do to dilute the pain of waiting.
And definitely not my job... lost the motivation to fight when thinking of studies. Just realised how much i enjoyed studying.

Sorry about teasing you guys. I'm slightly bitter and jaded about the whole "aiming for the big prize thing", but for some reason I'm too stubborn to give up. Not sure if that meets the definition of "insanity" or not. Doesn't mean I can't have a sense of humor!

To be honest - waiting is BY FAR the worst part until you've done it a few times. I remember the leadup to the first time left me a nervous wreck for a couple months.

My only recommendation is to NOT COUNT ON IT. One of the tricks I do is to plan what happens if I don't get it. There is a lot of fun in planning. Look into other programs that you might have to pay for, or other scholarships.

Looking at your other options allows you to shift your focus onto your choices, instead of placing your entire worth as a person onto whether you receive an award passed out by faceless people thousands of miles away who know you only through documents, and decide based on arbitrary facts.

It's a foolish thing to judge yourself on, but I guarantee all of you are doing it. God, I know I did.

ooilingfan

Aug 27, 2008, 09:18

Well said Nall. =)
All the best to everybody

kshoo

Aug 27, 2008, 09:57

Congratulations Kimberly! I'm hoping that I can also join you guys on the flight as well :) Two of my universities responded positively on most probably able to send me the LOA by next week, so things ARE looking up.
Fingers crossed, fingers crossed....

kimberleylhj

Aug 27, 2008, 10:14

Let's all wait together!! :D

jdoramred

Aug 27, 2008, 21:07

Hello all,

I'm heading off to Nagoya University in October with a MEXT scholarship, initially as a research student, but then hoping to do a masters in comparative law after the initial 6 months of language training. Is there anyone else who is heading to that part of Japan, or to Nagoya university? Would be interesting to hear from anyone else from the UK who has received the scholarship as well.

menrui

Aug 27, 2008, 23:33

^welcome to the club~
I never seen a person from the UK on the thread... I think most people here are Malaysian for some reason. Also, alot of us here are still waiting for the final results, so we don't know exactly where we are going yet. I received my letter of acceptance from Nagoya University today, but Nagoya is my 2nd option.

So you're entering as a research student, then after Japanese language studies and not doing any research, you are applying and entering a Masters Course? Sounds cool, I think my prof wanted me to do something like that too instead of spending a full 2 years as a research student.

Charles Barkley

Aug 27, 2008, 23:41

menrui: you actually want to spend two full years as a research student? Or were you indifferent and just stating advice you were given?

menrui

Aug 28, 2008, 00:13

Charles Barkley

Aug 28, 2008, 06:05

You can enter the master's course by meeting the regular admission requirements of the school you will be studying at.

That was one of the reasons I chose a school that allowed English--even though my Japanese is decent and presumably could get to quite a high level after a year or so of being a research student, it might not be enough that I could pass an exam designed for Japanese students.

I hope to enter the degree track as soon as possible--attending a school for 2.5 years and coming out with a masters makes a lot more sense than coming out of two years without any certification. Of course you could try for 2 years as a research student, then 2 as a degree student, but 4 years for a masters...

You could always apply to other scholarship programs in other countries if you just want to be a student for a long time. Get a degree in Japan, then try to study in China/korea through a fullbright, or enter a MBA/law program you could combine with your other degree to give you some serious skills...

ooilingfan

Aug 28, 2008, 08:36

I was trying to be indifferent. But I personally would like to be a research student for 2 years. I want to keep my school life as long as possible haha. Anyways, I have no idea how the scholarship works and how would be able to enter a Masters Course earlier. But thing might change, we'll just have to wait and see.

I'm not sure bout nagoya, but I was advised to study Japanese language for 6 months (Apr '09-Oct '09), then spend 6 months (Oct '09-Apr '10) as a research student. Meanwhile, there will be an entrance exam somewhere in Feb '10 which is a requirement to enter Master's degree program (2 years). So it all adds up to 3 years to complete a Masters.

menrui

Aug 28, 2008, 08:37

Charles,
Thanks for giving me advice on how to extend my school life but I think I'm going to stop once I get a PhD degree. But I plan to enter a career in academics. Being a research professor at a Univ. would be great for me I think because I would get to plan my own research and teach students.

One reason I'm taking the time as a research student is the prepare to the entrance examination, which is most likely in Japanese. You said you were going to Tokyo U right? I think Tokyo U is maybe the only university that allows you to replace the entrance examination with the GRE: subject test, and I already taken it for my field. But the professor at TokyoU didnt give me a reply. So, I might need alot of time to prepare for entrance examination because of the japanese.

Yeah getting a degree as soon as possible would be great, but I really enjoy school so I dont really mind. It would give me alot of experience since I will be part of the research group too. Also, maybe the professor will be more willing to accept me into the Masters Course and possible the PhD course.

menrui

Aug 28, 2008, 08:43

ooilingfan,
I was actually told something like that from my other University that I applied to. If they advise me to do that, then I will surely do it.

Charles Barkley

Aug 28, 2008, 10:51

ooilingfan

Aug 28, 2008, 16:07

Nope, I am not studying at Tokyo U. I will be studying at Waseda's School of Asia Pacific studies, which offers classes in both English and Japanese, and consequently allows applications to be completed in both English and Japanese. There were no entrance tests listed on the site per se...just a process.

Charles, maybe it's because yours is a private uni.
Really worrying if we are evaluated side by side with the local japanese for the entrance exam, which is conducted in japanese.

jdoramred

Aug 28, 2008, 20:01

It sounds as if I am looking to do the same thing as Charles - enter as a research student, do the intensive japanese course, then attempt to enrol as a masters student. The university have agreed to all of that in theory, the only issue that concerns me is passing the masters entrance exams! I've been told that the entrance exams and masters can be taken either in Japanese or English - Relief! However I haven't seen an example entrance exam. Does anyone know what to expect and what preparation is needed to pass?

kouki

Aug 28, 2008, 21:33

ooilingfan

Aug 28, 2008, 23:50

You can try contacting the admission office for the past year papers and requesting related information on admission examination. Some universities required interviews as well. Make sure you know everything about their admission procedures.
Another way is to contact your academic advisor. I believe he/she will be helpful.
Good luck!

well, the pressing issue still to get pass this stage and go there first.
we'll have another 10months to worry about the entrance exam...
But it's great news that we can choose to sit for the exam in english.

menrui

Sep 2, 2008, 02:40

Nagoya University didnt send back my recommendation certificate... and I only have 1 of those! :( But, I dont think it will be a problem ha. My other Univ. allow me to email them a copy.
Does any know if we actually need those certificate? Like do we have to turn those in with the LoA? Or maybe we still need those in the future?

kimberleylhj

Sep 3, 2008, 10:30

Nope you wouldn't need to submit that with the LOA. It's meant to be given to the university that you apply to. They actually need that in their records to prove that you have passed the initial screening or else they can't issue you a LOA.

JapanDream

Sep 4, 2008, 16:14

Been real quiet down here these few days. Wonder how Charles is doing at Waseda? =) Finally, I got all my 3 LoA in!:relief:

Vyen

Sep 4, 2008, 16:49

Been real quiet down here these few days. Wonder how Charles is doing at Waseda? =) Finally, I got all my 3 LoA in!:relief:

Wow...3 LoA...I still got nothing from the uni...seems like I choose the wrong research topic = ='''
just hope that can get one before the deadline...

menrui

Sep 5, 2008, 01:13

Yeah, I think most people are just waiting for their LoA. So not much to talk about.

Vyen,
Wow that really sucks. My I ask what your research topic is about?

Nall-ohki

Sep 5, 2008, 02:50

Yeah. Got my last LoA in (Waseda), and my consulate is making the final prep for sending things into MEXT.

Man, my Japanese is rusty - went into the consulate today and could feel my inability to speak, and repeatedly picked words that sounded close to what I wanted, but unable to pick the right one.

A bit depressing, but the fact everything is going in makes me happy.

Vyen

Sep 5, 2008, 10:38

Yeah, I think most people are just waiting for their LoA. So not much to talk about.

Vyen,
Wow that really sucks. My I ask what your research topic is about?

oh..my research topic is about risk management and control. :relief:

JapanDream

Sep 5, 2008, 11:43

Hi Vyen,

Hang in there. Some professors might be too tied up with their work or could be conducting research on overseas field trip or even busy grading entrance exam papers! I suggest you keep following up with the International Student’s or academic office. Most of the time, they’re very willing to help you out  Hope you will get the letter soon.

kimberleylhj

Sep 5, 2008, 12:19

Yeap, don't give up! There's still time.....

menrui

Sep 5, 2008, 16:13

I have no idea what risk management and control is...
Anyways, yeah, maybe they are busy or something. But dont give up just yet. did you email the prof. directly? or the graduate school/international office?

kouki

Sep 5, 2008, 19:10

> Vyen

hm... you can try finding that under risk engineering. Quite a number of university has that course.

I am listing a few:
Toyohashi University of Technology
University of Tsukuba

and the list go on. Hope this will help. :-)

Don't give up, try contact the professors' secretaries, should they have one. Most professors there they have at least one secretary.

Vyen

Sep 6, 2008, 19:19

Dear all,

Thanks for the support. hopefully I will get 1 uni to accept me next week.
I think everything will be just fine...:-)

Charles Barkley

Sep 6, 2008, 20:51

So far I haven't had any contact with the university, save for walking through the campus today. I have been very busy with setting up all the essentials for life in japan--getting the gaijin card, setting up internet, setting up my apartment, etc.

I will say, however, that the area I am living in, setagayaku in Tokyo is just awesome. And the dorm I am staying at is just filled with helpful people and people from just about any country you can think of in the world. If you take advantage of them, this place and the scholarship offer tons of opportunities.

I am so glad to be a student in Tokyo instead of a teacher in Tohoku. So very very glad.

menrui

Sep 7, 2008, 07:43

^wow, I'm really jealous/envious. I've been out of school for like 3 month now and I feel like I'm going to explode! Waiting for this scholarship is making me crazy.

maddict

Sep 8, 2008, 13:56

Hi guys,
I'm interested in applying for the Monbusho scholarship (postgrad) for the next round of applications. However I have some doubts that hopefully can be clarified to me by fellow forumers.

1. I'm a bit confused with the language requirement of the Monbusho scholarship. Earlier on this thread I read that some of the applicants do not have any basic knowledge of the Japanese language, yet managed to get a place in their respective universities. Yet when I checked the latest advertisement for Monbusho scholarship, it states that both English and Japanese will be evaluated during your screening for your acceptance. Can anyone clarify with me on this matter? Or has the requirements changed in this latest round of application?

2. What are the timelines of the scholarship application? From the application to the final acceptance and all events in between.

3. Do we need to have a solid research title ready before approaching the potential supervisors or we could discuss with them and try to merge our research interest with their current projects?

4. From the ad. it seems that they're accepting students from Natural Sciences and Humanities. I'm wondering if Computer Science/ Software Engineering falls into any of these 2 categories?

Thanks a bunch fellow forumers. You've inspired me to study in Japan :D

Vyen

Sep 8, 2008, 14:56

Maddict,

I will try my best to answer your question.

1. both of the language will be evaluated in the exam given by embassy, but is not a requirement to take Japanese paper.

2. from application until final result will take around 11 months.

3. yes. it is better to have a detailed research proposal before contacting the professors.

4. yes. they do accept computer science or software engineering student.

menrui

Sep 8, 2008, 15:05

^welcome to the club! I will try to answer your questions the best I can.

1. I'm not 100% sure, but I will state my theory. Yes, both English and Japanese WILL be evaluated. Keep in mind that it is not thing that is evaluated. In my opinion, your research proposal and interview have much more weight:
a) My MEXT coordinator(US) told me, I have to be able to get a minimum score(no idea what it is) in 1 of either the Jpn or Eng test.
b) This scholarship is a tight competition and I'm sure that a higher score will always help. Also, the interview has some jpn in it, so you can impress the panel.
c) Depending on what field you are entering, your Jpn skills might be important. For example, if you are entering social science, yeah your jpn skills might be considered more. But maybe like, chemical science, they won't put as much emphasis on it.

2. Maybe the other malaysian applicant can give you the dates. I will give you the basic outline:
First screening(Applications).
Test/interview.
Getting a acceptance from a Univ/Prof.
Second screening(you do nothing here. MEXT looks over everything, and then decides whether or not to accept you).
Getting a VISA?
Departure(april)

3. Hmmm, in my opinion, a solid research proposal would be the best. but people have manage to discuss it with their prof.
a) A solid one shows the professor that you put more thought into it, and you can take care of yoruself, etc.
b) The professor might be busy and not want to deal with it.
c) other stuff, i cant think of them right now
However, attempting to propose a research that relates to the profs does seem really good, because it shows your interest in the prof, etc. There might be some problems from that. Generally, you have 1 month to get a prof acceptance, trust me, its not alot of time. you can contact your prof before the interview, but if you dont pass the test/interview.... you get the idea. I say you risk it and go for the latter.

4. Yes, i think comp sci is in the category of natural science.... even if computers are not natural. (weird)

maddict

Sep 8, 2008, 15:33

clockworkorange

Sep 8, 2008, 16:12

Hello maddict!!!

Vyen and menrui pretty much answered ur questions but i thot i'd put in my 2 cents worth since i had the same questions when i first wanted to apply. I hope this helps!!!

1) You do not need to know Japanese when u apply. Obviously ur at an advantage if u do but u dun need to know it. I don't know any japanese so i did not take the japanese language test. I only took the english one. According to the representative from the embassy, they take into account that the majority of malaysians do not know japanese. At the test, the representative further explained that they grade the english papers first before proceeding to the japanese papers. So lets say u take both papers and u scored badly for ur english test, they do not bother marking ur japanese test no matter how well u did. In other words, pass english first. And if u did well in ur english but did not take the japanese test because u dun know the language, u'll pass.

2) The applications usually open in March - check the embassy website ard that time. This year, the application forms were out on March 15th. The application form requires u to explain ur study plan which is ur research. The deadline for the application was April 11th or 14th (i can't remember). The shortlisted candidates were notified on June 15th to take the language tests. I only took the english one. 2 weeks later, i was notified that i passed. This is the point when u start having lots to do -> write ur research plan in detail, start looking up potential universities and prepare for ur interview. Once u pass the interview, then u have to contact professors and obtain a Letter of Acceptance from the university of ur choice. I did not contact any professors prior to the interview so i had about a month to do so. Its a tight deadline but i prefer it to contacting professors earlier. I think it would be awkward if i dun get the scholarship or if i decide not to go to the same university after all. But other ppl may think differently so its up to u. Then we wait to see if we pass and get to go to Japan - results are out in Feb next year.

3)Yes, u need to have a solid title for ur research. This is because u have to present ur study plan which includes the methodology of ur research. I did mine like a normal research proposal. I also included a timeline in my study plan which i think is important. I dun think u can go to such detail if u only have a rough idea on what to research. But i do think that researching what the japanese professors are currently involved in is important before u decide on ur own research topic. I had a very tough time finding a professor because most of them were not doing the same research.

4) Yes, i think Computer Science falls under the category of Natural Science.

Thats it. Sorry for the rambling!!

ooilingfan

Sep 8, 2008, 17:13

ooilingfan

Sep 8, 2008, 20:12

Hi Vyen and Menrui,

Wow, that was a prompt reply. I was out for lunch and walla! 2 replies. 1 month to contact the professor is seriously a short time period to actually discuss anything. I think at best it would be 1 or 2 correspondence and discussion and the rest would be to settle the legal matters. Even with local professors I take about 2-3 months to discuss and agree on a suitable research title for myself. Guess the best thing I could do is to start on the details of my research now. I'm going to Japan to further my studies anyhow, however I think if I could get myself some form of scholarship it would be better. Good luck to all of you waiting for your scholarship!

My advise: Search for Professors from March/April - after you submitted your application. That you will have 3-4 months time to not only get one, but have IN DEPTH discussion with him/her.

Don't worry bout japanese language now, it's not crucial at this point.

I personally felt that i passed the interview because i have a detailed research proposal and strong recommendation as well as consent from the supervisor.
I didn't actually perform well during the interview. But the correspondence (emails with prof) helped.

You are required to submit a research proposal during your initial application. However, after you passed the written test, you are allowed to AMEND your proposal to be more specific. Which will be around June by then. So it's good to have a prof to advise you on the content. However, if you plan to apply to several Unis, write a proposal that is specific, yet still leave some flexibility so that it is applicable to more supervisors, if not you'll have trouble finding a 2nd supervisor. (as in my case). My proposal is like tailored made for that particular project of the supervisor.

You can start doing some research now by shortlisting a number of Unis that you're targeting:
http://www.nigelward.com/top30.html

There will be 3 choices when you apply. Choose the combination wisely as the more famous a uni, the more competitve it is to get in. So it might affect your chances on the scholarship as well when you're denied a place from that Uni due to limited quota.

Goodluck and all the best!

ooilingfan

Sep 8, 2008, 20:18

Some FAQ for Maddict:
http://www.intersc.tsukuba.ac.jp/01prospective/monbukagakusho.htm

kouki

Sep 8, 2008, 20:25

For computer science/ software engineering, there are a number of universities offering that in at masters and ph.D. Sometimes you will have to look under informatics science/ engineering. Their courses are really specific, you should have a look first. Maybe this Global COE or 21st century COE program will give you a really good insight on what are the major research in the field of universities in Japan. Have a try on that.

Japanese likes the word 'engineering'. They are like adding everything with the suffix engineering.

maddict

Sep 8, 2008, 22:10

Thanks for all the replies from all of you, definately helpful. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I like to prepare or at least be prepared for everything, thats why I'm checking with all of you early, despite the application being 6 months away.

Yeah computer science can be quite difficult to categorize sometimes and this is definately one trouble I've been facing for all my applications. Certain universities categorize it as Engineering, some as Science and some as Informatics. Sometimes I feel like applying for a Computer Science postgrad is like walking into a wild bush :D. Thank you ooilingfan for the advise on professor approach and the link. Will look on it after work. Thanks kuoki for the info. I finally resorted to using the search boxes provided in most uni websites directly to the computer science departments of the particular university. Easy and straight to the point

Thank you all.

Charles Barkley

Sep 9, 2008, 09:34

Of the newbies who have started about the same time as me, about a third don't seem to speak much Japanese.

Not speaking Japanese certainly presents some challenges, and everyone here has expressed that they wished they had studied more Japanese before coming over, so keep that in mind. Not speaking English or Japanese would be disastrous.

Vyen

Sep 10, 2008, 15:10

Charles,

How much is the rental in Waseda area? Is the cost of living there high?

I just informed by the embassy that they received my LoA from Waseda Uni. Now I got to decide which is my first choice, Waseda or Doshisha.:?

Guys, thanks for the support and encouragement~~:-)

ooilingfan

Sep 10, 2008, 23:39

Charles,
How much is the rental in Waseda area? Is the cost of living there high?
I just informed by the embassy that they received my LoA from Waseda Uni. Now I got to decide which is my first choice, Waseda or Doshisha.:?
Guys, thanks for the support and encouragement~~:-)

Congratulations Vyen!

kimberleylhj

Sep 11, 2008, 01:44

Congratulations Vyen..
Let's all meet up in Japan!! :P

Charles Barkley

Sep 11, 2008, 09:12

I am living in a dorm that is a bit far away from Waseda. You should have the opportunity to move into a Jasso run dorm, but if you don't, you will be looking at around 5-6 man per month for the cheapest places in that area of shinjuku. As far as Tokyo goes, it didn't look particularly expensive.

menrui

Sep 11, 2008, 10:03

Good job Vyen!
yea~ get-together~ konpa! jpn inn getaway!
Anyways, we can plan that out after we're in japan.

I received my last LoA yesterday, and sent everything in today. Looks like im done... now, i wait. my coordinator said they are hoping to receive results as soon as Oct. of Nov., but it can be as late as Feb... or even later.

Also, has anyone tried to read their LoA? I read some of it(as much as i can haha), and it seems like good communication with the professor is a BIG must. From what I read, or what I think i read, the professor has to write about how you communicated with him/her, about your research, their opinions about your research and about you, etc.

ooilingfan

Sep 11, 2008, 20:10

ooilingfan

Sep 11, 2008, 20:17

Nall-ohki

Sep 12, 2008, 02:41

Anyway, they did tell you the results can be as early as October? that's very fast. =p

That seems awfully fast to me. The time I received the Japan Studies version of the scholarship back in 1999, I received it a month before I had to leave (the equivalent of March in this case).

Then, last year when I was selected as an alternate, I was notified around the 3rd of January.

I wouldn't count on a final decision at least until January.

kimberleylhj

Sep 12, 2008, 18:52

As from what I know, Malaysia's result will only be out earliest by January, or latest by March. So, I would expect the result to be out in February. Wah.. 5 months more to wait!!

kshoo

Sep 15, 2008, 11:46

Just a quick check - anyone here who has applied or currently studying MBA in WBS? Have a few questions to ask. It'll be great if you can drop me a message directly.
Thanks.

Grieverheart

Sep 17, 2008, 06:31

Hi,everyone,

I am finishing my studies in physics in a year or so and I want to do a master in Japan.So,after checking out the monbukagakusho I have some questions if you are kind to answer since I'm quite confused >_<

1)Letter of acceptance:How does this really work?Do I just apply at universities of my interest as I would normally or is there some other procedure to follow?
2)Is the 6 month preparation (pre-enrollment course) adequate for the studies?
3)I would like to do a master in physics or an mba,is it possible to have 2 study interests?
4)What exactly happens if I don't get a letter of acceptance?
5)How do I go about chosing a university?Any good reference sites you know?

It would also be helpful if someone in the same field of studies,particulary physics,could share his experience with me.

My japanese is of the lowest levels and the time I can dedicate to study is only 1-2 hours per week but still trying my best till the exams.Most physics universities,if not all,require a GREphysics as expected but I don't know if I have the time to study for it since I have to go to the army for a year after I finish my studies.I concider trying for an MBA if I can't do the GREphysics.Everything seems quite daunting at the moment :S .Since I really want go to Japan,I have a large amount of backup plans but it would be really nice if I could go on MEXT :) .

menrui

Sep 17, 2008, 07:18

Welcome to the club. I will try to answer your questions the best I can.

1) Before you can even apply to a graduate school, you must find a professor to study under, and then obtain his/her acceptance. Most of us have done so by exchange emails with a professor. If you are accepted, then he/she must fill out a LoA form for you.
The application process is different for a Monbusho scholarship applicant. Basically, after app and interview, we only need to get a LoA from a professor. Then MEXT will take care of your admission.

2) Classes will most likely be in Japanese. I cant say if 6month is adequate or not... but I know it is 6month of INTENSE japanese language course. Also, I am sure there are plenty of students in the past who enter with no japanese knowledge, take the 6 month class, and then manage to pass their classes. So you shouldnt worry about it, maybe.

3) wow, those are 2 different fields... im not really sure, but i really doubt they will let you study in 2 different fields.

4) If you dont get a LoA, MEXT will attempt to place you under a professpr at a university/college. I think your chances will be lower and which university you will enter is completely up to MEXT.

5) I think there are websites out there that can help you search.. but i forgot them. I myself, looked at the top national universities and browsed their website. The bigger university are easier to browse. I looked see if my field was available, looked at the professors, looked at his/her research, etc.

Dont worry too much about your japanese skill level, but please do the best you can. If you do get the scholarship, you will be able to enter as a research student for a maximum of 2 years, which is plenty of time for you to study for anything. Afterwards, you can try to extend the scholarship as a Masters course student.

Charles Barkley

Sep 17, 2008, 10:46

Many schools have classes that are conducted in English, especially in the sciences/engineering departments. You could probably find a number of MBA/physics programs that do that.

If you have little/no Japanese background now, given only 6 months, it would be daunting trying to get up to postgraduate level if your classes were to be conducted entirely in Japanese. Worth keeping in mind perhaps.

Grieverheart

Sep 17, 2008, 19:10

Thanks for your replies everyone,it cleared most things up.
Something new came up though.If I remember correct,in the application form,when asked for the period you intend to study,it has the following options:research student only (1.5-2y),research studen through masters,research student through phd etc.So,If I'm correct,I have to go to Japan as a research student and after 1.5-2 years try to go for a masters,right?If you check this link for instance hxxp://xxx.ic.keio.ac.jp/en/study/mext/index.html (please replace the x's,can't post a proper link yet >_<) it seems to me as a graduate degree application through monbusho rather than a research student.

kouki

Sep 17, 2008, 19:43

Indeed it is the application through Monbukagakushou Scholarship (MEXT Scholarship).

However, please notice that, the name of the scholarship is MEXT Research Student Scholarship.

So what you are going to do is once getting the admission as a research student is:

1. 1-2 years Research Student/ Intensive Japanese Language Course (at certain language school or respective university)
Should you have a good command of Japanese, then you are exempted from the intensive Japanese Language Course. Your university, which is taking you as the Research Student will decide on that, based on your Japanese Language test taken in the scholarship selection process.

In this duration, you will also have to study for the entrance examination, usually for the entry of April, should you would like to be a masters or doctorate student in the university. The entrance examination could be at October-February.

If you are getting the admission as postgraduate student, then your research student status will be terminated, and at the same time, you will have to apply for the scholarship to be postgraduate. (That is what the extension is all about)

If you fail, then you are allowed to take the entrance examination at another time (at your own cost, I guess? Together with other applicants, of course), for another entry, until your duration of research student being offered is over.

2. 2 years Masters
Should you advance to doctorate course, you will have to extend your scholarhip application again.

3. 3 years (or above) Doctorate

Hope that clears the cloud a bit. Please correct me if I have mentioned something wrong. Thank you! Good luck everyone!!!:-)

Grieverheart

Sep 17, 2008, 20:17

Thank you very much for the detailed answer kouki,it cleared everything up :) .Since things have changed for me now though,I'll have to think about if it's maybe more beneficial to do a masters in europe first and then go to japan :S .The way to Japan is full of hurdles... :P .Thanks again everyone.

ooilingfan

Sep 17, 2008, 20:20

that is excellent explanation kouki. =)

and Grieverheart, most professors will expect a MEXT scholar under the Research Student program to gain admission into graduate school as a Master and/or PhD student within that 2 years. For science program, I suppose the japanese language standard is not as high as liberal arts and humanities courses. Journals and references are still in English, and so are most of your publications.

kshoo

Sep 17, 2008, 23:03

Hi guys,
I've finally done it! I've gotten my last LOA!!!! The university has informed me about the decision just a while ago via email, and all i have to do is now wait for the official letter to come!

And now for the waiting....................

kouki

Sep 17, 2008, 23:21

ooilingfan

Sep 18, 2008, 00:29

>ooilingfan
Thank you, just summarized what I know in my previous post and to share with everyone here. About your publication, it well depends on your supervisor. Some would like their students' publication (thesis) in Japanese rather than English. So maybe that should be of one point to discuss with your prospectus supervisor?
>kshoo
Great to hear that news! Well done!
I only got two LoA's, and no more, most of the professors are either very busy, or my field of study does not suit theirs. Still very worried. So has everyone got three?

=) thanks for the tip. I'm fine with both language in publication. Will really have to work hard on the japanese language. Or like we chinese say, "die die" have to do it.

And don't worry too much bout the LoA, I have only 1 LoA from 1 Uni. Should there be any risks i'll be the first to go (eliminated). =)

so now, we wait...

menrui

Sep 18, 2008, 00:30

kshoo,
Good job~ The waiting part really sucks. I remembered, I checked the mail like 2 times a day haha.

I have 3 LoA... I originally intended to get just 2, but 1 professor gave me a late reply and I didnt want to turn him down.

kshoo

Sep 18, 2008, 09:28

Hi Kouki, Menrui,

Thanks for the well-wishes. I only sent to three, so I am quite excited that I have a 100% hit rate. However, Kouki, as you mentioned not all universities or professors might want to take you in, so i guess it requires some luck as well. Menrui, you said that right - i've also been checking my mails multiple times everyday.

Don't worry, there's another 2 more weeks to go. I'm sure things will still turn out fine for you Kouki.

Vyen

Sep 18, 2008, 15:18

kshoo,
Congrats~~:cool:

I also got my LoA from Hitotsubashi yesterday. So, Hito will be my first choice then. Hopefully we can go to the same uni. hehe..

kshoo

Sep 18, 2008, 15:26

Vyen,
Cool! Did you get from their Hito uni, or from ICS Hito? I think mine is for the latter.
So you plan to put Waseda as your 2nd choice then? Interesting....i haven't decided though....too many things going through my mind.

Vyen

Sep 18, 2008, 15:40

oh..it is from Graduate School of Commerce and Management, not ICS.
Yes, Waseda will be the second choice. The third choice I haven't decided to select which uni yet...still got one week to consider.:relief:

kshoo

Sep 18, 2008, 15:49

I see. No problem, let me finalize my priorities this weekend, and maybe we can go to the same uni :)
Unless of course you don't want me to be in the same uni as you...:)) just kidding. The more the merrier right?
Trying to find out anyone else in MY applied for MBA (e.g. JapanDream? Ayumi.TT)? How is the progress thus far?

c0ok1e

Sep 18, 2008, 21:47

I applied for hokkaido nara and kumamoto.. how much will my expenditure be per month in those areas?? anyone know?? please help.. i think only need to pay for food and not sure dormitory need or not.. but food need how much ar?? izit food only 21000 yen per month? then stil got alot of money 1 2 do wat?

Charles Barkley

Sep 18, 2008, 23:55

You will probably have to pay for your dorm. Transportation, if required, will be, besides food and housing, your other major necessary cost. Food is what you want it to be. You can live on 21,000 yen per month, but you won't be eating very well. (think lots and lots of noodles, eggs, and bread).

I'd imagine the average amount people will spent on food will be between 40,000-50,000 yen per month. If you are like me and like good food, or if you like going out a lot, expect to spend 60,000+ per month.

pilarika

Sep 19, 2008, 01:13

ooilingfan

Sep 19, 2008, 01:31

hello! I am new to this forum, and I am in a big problem. Maybe someone here might be able to help me. I have passed the preliminary screening from my embassy and have passed the past two months trying to get a Letter of Acceptance, but so far have been unsuccessful. All the universities I contacted have turned me down. I think time is now very short and I dont know what to do :( If anyone has any suggestions on what I should do or what to try I would be very very thankful!!

1. find out the deadline of LoA submission from your Embassy
2. Meanwhile, don't stop, there are over 100 unis in japan that you can continue searching. Try diff departments, diff supervisors, or perhaps you may want to review your email and switch to a different approach.
3. If you still can't get after all efforts exhausted, there's still a chance that MEXT will assign you a uni place for research student.

abeeyo_q8

Sep 19, 2008, 08:40

hey is anyone here trying to find a supervisor for biology related research?

i've emailed like 8 professors..only 1 out of the 8 replied and that was just to tell "thanks but no thanks"

c0ok1e

Sep 19, 2008, 09:34

If i spend 50 000 for food then i still have money left.. i dont know how much dorm cost maybe 30 000 per month then theres not much neccessary items to spend anymore.. transportation does not cost much cuz i can walk if the area is nearby..with still so much money left i think ill be going touring around whole of japan.. who wants to join me??

menrui

Sep 19, 2008, 11:13

About the overly generous scholarship, yeah, I noticed that even if we over estimate a bit, there is still alot of money leftover. 170000-160000yen... wow! During my college life, I spent no more then like, 48000yen a month on housing, food, and necessity. Anyways, maybe you guys should think about saving money for something later? For me, no matter how much money i try to save up, i always end up spending it all somehow later. Or you can get a gf/bf, thats always costly haha.

A tour of japan sounds good, but i cant really make that decision right now. i think its way too soon.

abeeyo,
hmmm thats not good... when did you start contacting professors and such? most universities have a deadline at the end of Aug. You should keep trying and perhaps change your approach. Have you tried contacting the international office of your university/department? There are plenty of universities in japan so keep trying. dont worry about no replies or rejections, im sure we all get plenty of those.

Vyen

Sep 19, 2008, 14:59

Abeeyo,
Do not give up easily. Try to send the required documents to the international office of the universities. I aslo in the same situation like you and I sent to 7 universities. It cost me quite a lot but luckily, I am able to get the offer of LoA from some of them. So, maybe you can get some reply from the office if you do as i did. This is just my suggestion and hope it helps.

kouki

Sep 19, 2008, 17:07

My friends,

There are a number of things for you to save money for:
1. House Rental Deposit
Usually after the first year, you would be required to moved out of the student hostels. Then you would need to pay an amount of money to the landlord to rent a room.

2. Furniture in the House
This is after you have moved in to a house off campus.

3. Transportation
Since you are not staying in an on-campus hostel, you will need some sort of transportation. If you are in places other than those big cities, you might need to consider a bicycle or motorbike.

4. Computer/ Electrical Appliances
Well, I think most of us would be needing that.

5. Conferences
Should you advance to postgraduate level, I suppose your supervisor would like you to attend some conferences or workshops. If they are held overseas (in term of Japan), it should eat up a huge amount of your money.

6. Miai/ O-rei
In the seasons such as year-end or o-bon, it is usual for Japanese to give out presents as a token gratitude to those who have taken a good care of them. You might need to save some money for that.

Charles Barkley

Sep 19, 2008, 17:27

The word you are looking for isn't 'hostel' btw; it's 'dorm.'

The dorm I am living in costs 32,000 per month and does no include meals. You are allowed to live there for two years, so if you move to a graduate program, you will have to move. There are, however, other dorms available that would allow you to avoid key money/realtor fees.

I will list the monthly fees I am looking at to give you an idea.

cell phone. cheapest plan possible. about 2,500 per month.
Internet: about 4,000 yen per month
utilities, dorm: maybe 3,000 per month
transportation: for me, round trip train fare to and from my school, 20 times a month, would cost about 10,000 yen per month. I also might have to purchase a bike parking spot at the station that would cost another 2,000.
-textbooks. I don't remember for sure, but I think we will have to pay for textbooks. Averaged out per month, probably something like 6,000 yen.
-various cleaning/apartment upkeep expenses. 3,000 month.

Combining all of these things, that'll put my base expenses, which does not include food, entertainment, or going anywhere besides from my school, at around 60,000 yen per month. Once I eventually move to a private apartment, I would probably save on transportation but spend more on utilities and rent, so at that point it'll probably be more like 90,000 per month.

You will be able to travel a little around Japan, but remember that transportation/lodging is quite expensive in Japan. It would probably be hard both to do much traveling and go out and have fun. But you can always get a part time job...

ETA: You will probably not spend any money as gifts during the Japanese holidays. That is not a role that foreign exchange students are expected to fill. If anything, you might receive a tiny bit of money, but I wouldn't count on it. Omiyage will similarly not be expected since you won't be working at a company...

c0ok1e

Sep 19, 2008, 18:24

Yeah cool calculation Charles.. so means i still have a lot of money left.. besides some of the items i might not spend on anyways like bicycle.. laptops i will get it b4 going to japan and i might not have a cellphone there..depends on needs.. furniture i think ill juz get a bed sheet and anything necessary.. besides im not in tokyo so less expensive..pity those going to tokyo..surely having a hard time there..maybe the financial assistance is calculated for those living in tokyo... as for conference, if they're very expensive, i think our professor will help us out.. if not one or 2 conference is still ok i think.. with my extra lot of money i think ill be indulging my self in a few sessions with the prostitutes maybe once a month..yamate..lol

Charles Barkley

Sep 19, 2008, 18:27

Livingwithout a cellphone here is very difficult...

I have a bike (and I mean a nice bike) but I still have to take the trains because the dorm is too far away to bike during rush hour.

kouki

Sep 19, 2008, 19:10

>Charles,

Sorry for my bad command of English. I get confused a lot with the term dorm and hostel. Haha.:blush:

May I know which city are you in? I heard for those non-urban places, inaka, or so they call, you should at least have a bicycle, since those places are not as full equipped as those big cities like Tokyo and Osaka.

And another thing I heard is that food in the non-urban area are more expensive, if you are not eating the university canteen. It takes more than 600 yen per meal.

c0ok1e

Sep 19, 2008, 19:20

ok then ill get a cellphone..maybe with roaming service so i can get in touch with my family... How much does a session with a ***** cost?? anyone wants to join me in the conquest for whores? we'll try out different whores from all the different regions in japan and make a video of out trip... Have u been to any charles?? maybe when i get there ill come meet u in osaka then we'll go together

Charles Barkley

Sep 19, 2008, 23:53

I am not really the whoring type, though I have been known to ***** myself to find people to practice Japanese with.

The way most people stay in touch with those back home is through skype, assuming you have a computer. Costs little/nothing and you can get video and actually see the person you are talking to.

Bikes are great anywhere you live in Japan. A cheap used one shouldn't cost you more than 4000 yen, and sometimes people give them away. I like biking so I decided to buy a nice one, but the ones that most people ride work just fun.

If you go out to eat, the average cost of a cheapish, non-chain restaurant will probably be around 800 yen for most dishes. For dinner maybe 1100 yen. However, chain restaurants, ramen shops, places that serve beef bowls, etc, won't cost more than 500 yen for a decent sized meal. The quality isn't as good, and it sure won't be healthy, but you get what you pay for.

What I have been doing is having toast fruit and yogurt for breakest, going out everyday for lunch and getting a lunch set (700-1000 yen for tasty stuff) then buying salads/baguettes etc to take home and eat for dinner. Eating out for lunch is cheaper and you can even go to nicer restaurants without spending too much money.

And I am in Tokyo.

ETA: Bear in mind that if you are not Japanese, a lot of brothels, strip clubs, etc will not allow you to enter. I've never tried but that's the word on the street. If you are successful in entering, expect to pay 5,000-15,000 (depending on what you order) at the cheaper places. Or at least that's what the signs out front seem to say. I would expect once you go in the price could easily escalate...

c0ok1e

Sep 20, 2008, 00:57

What the?? Why dont they allow non japanese to enter those places?? Discrimination against non Japanese?? I think there will be somewhere which they allow for non Japanese customers...

You are in Tokyo and you still have so much money left?? Then for those not in Tokyo will have more money..Good news..

Based on your calculations, breakfast=500, lunch=100 dinner=1100
So every month will be approximately 1700 X 30 = 51 000 yen
Im not sure about the bike you said but 4000 yen seems cheap.. maybe its just your luck.. Ill understand that more when i get there... I heard you have to register for license for your bike? does that cost alot and do u have to renew those license and cost u more?

Thanks.. Hope to get more info from you b4 i leave for japan so i will be prepared to save for the whoring experience.. Others who are interested in whoring we can go and hunt together for cute and sexy japanese chicks

menrui

Sep 20, 2008, 01:42

I wake up, and you guys are talking about prostitutes...

A little racial discrimination is nothing new in japan. I dont think it will be a big problem for us students... unless you just really want to go to those brothels.

Also, I really dont think we have to worry too much about money. Under spending is never a bad thing, and i dont think we will over spend as students... unless you really want to go to those brothels haha.

Anyways, i dont have to worry about hunting girls, im sure they will come to me(yeah i said it)

Charles Barkley

Sep 20, 2008, 10:36

Living in Tokyo, aside from the costs of housing, is not much more expensive than living anywhere else in Japan. For me, my housing is cheaper than it was when I was a JET, my utilities are smaller, and I don't have to have a car, so my expenses have gone down considerably.

a 4000 yen bike is cheap--a cheap, used bike. I didn't spend that, but that seems to be what a lot of the other students here are spending. I bought a hybrid cannondale bike for about 60,000 yen.

Rizaric

Sep 20, 2008, 11:41

Whoring and prostitutes? To be blunt, I think you may be in this for the wrong reasons. Sure, if its a joke its fine but I'm not sure talking about it like this is not going to make you very popular...

I read on another thread somewhere that the racial discrimination is because non-Japanese who have visited these places have not been able to communicate properly with the workers, causing misunderstanding and problems.

In any case, I don't think this thread is an appropriate place to discuss it. But what you do with your free time is your decision.

Charles Barkley

Sep 20, 2008, 13:08

I read on another thread somewhere that the racial discrimination is because non-Japanese who have visited these places have not been able to communicate properly with the workers, causing misunderstanding and problems.

Nice preconception about the language ability of non-japanese, but that's not what keeps fluent Japanese speaking foreigners out of brothels (self-respect of course does that for the most part). I imagine the real reason is that the proprietors and clientele of such establishments aren't exactly the most enlightened individuals.

Rizaric

Sep 21, 2008, 00:31

Well put Charles. Anyways...

How long after you arrived did you start classes and stuff? My departure date is pretty soon...10 days away! Also, have you managed to find anywhere to shoot hoops?

c0ok1e

Sep 21, 2008, 01:07

Lol shoot hoops... I have a few serious questions here..
One of the Professor's I got in contact with told me to start off as a research student as soon as I reach Japan and then when the entrance exam starts in around October I should sit for it and enter as a masters student or something like that... It seems like he would like me to start off as a research student because apparently the course im taking is taught in english.. But when I come to Japan, I thought that we were suppose to learn Japanese somewhere for 6 months then only go over to the university.. If this is the case, I think I will not be able to start off as a research student because by the time I finish the langage course I would have to sit immediately for the entrance exam... So what should I do? Take the language course then sit for the exam or work as a research student and skip the language course?? Personally I would like to take the language course but im afraid the Professor would not agree..

Another serious question is that the term of the scholarship is 2 years but I think that my course would take more than 2 years.. What happen after that? Do I need to fund myself or reapply the scholarship and go through all these applications again?

Plz advice

Rizaric

Sep 21, 2008, 01:27

...As for the first question, I think you'll have to discuss it with the supervisor about what you want to do... cause in the end you will have to make the decision together. Also, the entrance exams and start dates of the courses are probably a semester, or at least a few months apart, so there's probably some time there in between.

As for the second question, I think you can only spend 2 years as a research student but when you transfer to a degree course the scholarship will cover that period as well, so there's no need to repeat the whole application process. There are probably some procedures for renewal however.

athz

Sep 21, 2008, 01:29

hi everyone, i'm new to this forum...
congrats for passing the preliminary round of MEXT scholarship...
Eventually i am also one of the lucky candidates here from indonesia, had you guys been informed the deadline of LOA submittance in u'r local embassy?
I'll have it on 22nd september here. unfortunately one of the professor i've contacted just went for conference till 24th sept... -_-!
so far i just got 1 LOA from tohoku univ that wasn't listed in my prefer uni on the attachment form. I'm afraid that it would be a matter...
I've emailed 7 professor... all replied... two rejected (their lab is at full capacity)...
five agreed... but it turns out that only one uni could send it on time...

the weirdest thing is another uni insisted issuing Letter of Admission... they won't fill in the LOA form that given by MEXT. i regret and feel sorry at the same time for choosing the uni.. i found out that it wasn't as good as i thought...
I wonder if i should submit the Admission letter because now that i prefer tohoku more than 'that uni'... (though it was on my preference of uni list)
Is there any possibility to change the list in attachment form with a new one??
i feel miserable... anyway the admission letter will be arrived on monday..
please give me any advice.....................................-_-

btw... thx a lot for all your postings here... it helps me a lot through the exams and interview...

menrui

Sep 21, 2008, 04:23

^welcome to the club.

Wow, 5 of 7... thats a really good batting average. Keep in mind, you might want to write an apology letter to the professors that you didnt select, which i guess is 4 for you.

My deadline for my consulate is Sept. 26. If i were you, I would definitely send in your only LoA on time. As for the others, check with your embassy to see if they have some kind of extension and will allow you to send the other a bit later.

the universities that you listed on the attachment are your preference and should be used only by your embassy as a reference. It should not effect you if you choose to obtain LoA from other universities. Furthermore, it would be best if you did not send that attachment with your documents to the universities as it may cause problems. I experienced it and im other others have too.

I know there are some cases where the univ/prof really want you to enter and do not want you to apply to other school. for me, one of my professor insisted that i only apply to him and his univ. I replied no, and he kept trying to convince me. I heard from others, they were asked 'if they are applying to other univs', and when they truthfully answered 'yes', they never receive a reply again. Im sure we all feel sad about selecting 1 university and reject the others.

Im not sure what to say about your "letter of admission". I dont know how that would work if you sent that in instead of a "letter of acceptance". please ask your embassy first. Anyways, if the 'Lo Admission' could guarantee you a place in the university, maybe you should consider it. But if you really want to go to Tohoku, you have to take your chances with the "Lo acceptance". Maybe someone else has a better answer....

Charles Barkley

Sep 21, 2008, 09:49

About language school vs beginning as a research student:

research student is a very vague term in that you don't really have any designated responsibilities. What you do is up to what you are allowed to by the school and what you take it upon yourself to do. At my school, it looks like language classes will take place in the morning, and then in the afternoon it would be possible to try to audit other classes, conduct research, find a part time job, pick dandelions, etc. If your school is similar, there is no reason you shouldn't both be able to be a 'research student' and go to japanese school.

I haven't started classes yet, though its been almost 3 weeks since I got here (I haven't even met my supervisor). There is an orientation at my graduate school tomorrow and Jpaanese classes are scheduled to start at the end of the month.

And there is a basketball court (half court) at my dorm that gets decent games.

ooilingfan

Sep 21, 2008, 11:24

wow
i've been away for a few days and so surprised to see how the topics have "evolved" here. haha

You guys have actually started to plan how you're gonna spend those money already? =p very optimistic

But i'm not sure whether discussing about how to spend the extra money and prostitution is very appropriate here as i have a feeling the embassy of Japan browses this site as well. (At least i know the Japanese Embassy in Malaysia does).

THey may decide to withdraw the generosity and cut the stipend since students are too comfortable with the amount. =p

Just my 2 cents. I can't get too comfortable now, still very anxious of the outcome. My friend is flying off to tokyo on MEXT 2008 soon... got into tokyo uni, damn lucky

kouki

Sep 21, 2008, 12:50

As for research student status:

I think the most important question that you should start asking yourself is that: Are you aiming to be a research student? Or you are intending to continue until Masters/ Doctorate?

Well, my opinion is that the research student period is sort of like the transition period for us to adjust ourself to the Japanese environment. Another reason is that most Japanese universities required us to sit for the entrance examination, and the research student period is the time for us to prepare ourselves for the entrance examination. There are several stages in the entrance examination, a generic one would be written examinition, short thesis writing, and an oral interview (viva voce).

As research students, we are supposed to make ourself familiar with the members in the lab (if you are located into the university itself). It is true that some supervisors may request their students to audit some classes. Mind you, you will still have to complete several credit hours of selective courses in masters.

My suggestion: If you are allowed to write your thesis in English, you can consider going directly for your entrance examination. Then I guess you can save 1 year. Well, personally I think that your professor thinks that you have enough ability for that, so he suggested you proceed to the level earlier.

I understand that some of the students are located in the language schools instead of their particular universities, so their situation might be a little different.

But even if you are in the language school, you can still contact with your professor to obtain past years papers to get a feel of their entrance examinition.

>cook1e,
You are lucky!!!

>ooilingfan
I also get the same feeling here (about the embassy is constantly monitoring this page)... How are you sure that our embassy really read what is written here?

c0ok1e

Sep 21, 2008, 13:22

Embassy monitor this forum?? Im a bit worried if I would make it for the final selection process... Not sure how they pick the candidates from here onwards.. There's nothing we can do but just wait.. I dont think they can judge us based on the letter of acceptance we send.. sigh.. maybe its just luck.. I also do not think they will change our stipend based on a few post by people who have not been to Japan and some imaginary plans.. They would have calculated the stipends out based on their own kwnowledge.. lol

athz

Sep 21, 2008, 13:39

> menrui
thx 4 u'r advice... sure thing i'll start thinking how to write an apology letter...
i won't send the attachment form to the uni that wasn't in my list... that's kinda suicide
eventhough some prof. instantly agreed to accept me without even asking if i'm choosing others than them

i asked the embassy it seems that the Lo Admission is stronger than a Loa... i would gamble if the Lo admission didn't arrive on monday, it would stay in my pocket

just get informed that luckily Osaka uni could send the LoA for me on time... that means 2 LoA to be submitted on monday..
i'm glad that the osaka uni is on my prefer uni list... you're heading to osaka uni too, right menrui?

> charles
i really envy you... now that you've started u'r study in Japan... ^_^
btw, did you reserved your room before coming to Japan?
riding bycicle to campus sounds fun as long as we settled near the uni..

> nall-ohki
i met a guy who had a similar problem with u during my Mext interview... he also said that he'd been picked as an alternate last year..
it's kinda frustating to hear this... but i'll pray for our luck this year..

> oilingfan
i agree with u... i also had a weird feeling that might be the embassy people are reading these postings
i feel anxious too about the final result... it will be announced in January by the embassy here...
hope that everbody here would passed the the second screening.. ^o^

menrui

Sep 21, 2008, 13:41

Yeah this forum thread has been very very active this year as compared to the previous 2 years when it was started in May 2006. And i think its the most active forum related to the scholarship by far. besides those who are posting, im sure there are plenty of other applicants who only visit this forum to read what we have posted. i wonder if we have caused a competition inflation? maybe we will clearly see it next year. Also, if the embassy does monitor this forum, i wonder if they would make the application/interview much more difficult since alot of people already know what to expect.

about research/masters course,
from interview and email exchange with the professor, it seems that they really prefer a student who has the intention of entering a master or PhD course. During the interview, i was questioned about future studies in japan etc. and 2 of my professors stated that they would surely accept me if i intend to go as far as a PhD degree.

cookie,
i have to disagree, i really think they can judge us base on the LoA. its more like a letter of recommendation from the professor. I have "tried" to read some of my LoA, and it really does say alot.

c0ok1e

Sep 21, 2008, 13:56

Ours is the most active thread for the year?? So we are actually doing the Embassy a favor by pulling more applicants next year.. We should be a very promising batch since we are so active and in this together lol...

I didnt know what the Professors write because my Japanese is not that good... but they dont know us much so what they write is only based on their own judgement and impression... But if it is based on the letter of acceptance hope i got some good recommendations from them..haha

athz

Sep 21, 2008, 14:34

cookie,
i 'm also curious about what the prof. write in my LoA... since my japanese is lousy i tried to translated it on online translator, here is a good web of online translator: excite . co . jp/world/english. The translation is not 100% exact, but it'd give u slight description on what is written in the LoA. If u had u'r copies of LoA in PDF form, first u have to convert it to japanese text/ word file by using the OCR software... (i recommend ReadIris pro 11 asian version for this; try 2 download the trial version ^_^)

menrui

Sep 21, 2008, 15:11

athz,
im not "heading" anywhere exactly haha. But Osaka is my first choice and i really hope i make it in. ooilingfans first(and only?) choice is osaka too. it would be great all 3 of us get accepted there. Thanks for the program suggestion. I was looking for something like it, but i didnt know what to search. By the way, which graduate school/department are you entering?

cookie,
yeah, even if it is only their opinion, they are the professors, so i think it still has ALOT of weight. it is our job to build a relationship with them and make a good impression, even if it is by email...

about the LoA, I read through some of mine. i think there is a guideline for the prof at the bottom... my prof first talked about my research proposal and explained it. then they talked about me: what they know about me; how did we communicate; their opinions about me and my research proposal; how well they think i would adapt to their lab; etc. One of my professors talked about how much he wants me XD .

in other note, my coordinator read through my LoA s in front of me, and then told me that he doesnt think i have to worry too much about it. so that seems assuring.

athz

Sep 21, 2008, 15:28

hahaha... yeah i do mean that ^_^... osaka uni is my 2nd choice, the professor is very nice to me... that would be great if we could gathered there...
i'm purely an architect... but i will be entering the sustainable energy division since the global architecture division's lab is at full capacity.

ooilingfan

Sep 21, 2008, 19:04

Menrui,
Ya, Osaka is my one and only choice. Due to my suicidal approach of writing my proposal based solely on 1 professor. Anyway, i took a big shot and really hope the sincerity will convince the prof up till the last stage. (my biggest risk now is that if the prof switched dept or uni, Or changes his mind or something, grant problem, lab problem, capacity full or any other constraints and limitations, then i'm totally screwed...) who can predict what will happen in 1 YEAR anyway. Full of uncertaintees....

Anyway, as i agree with cookie, we won't be penalised of anything from what we post here. But it may affect the next batch and if anything happens to us, lets say we face any problems later, they may reconsider whether to help us.

Kouki,
I felt that as from the several tele-conversations and emails with the embassy, the person do reminded me to be careful especially when i'm quoting the email/phone conversations in my threads. Also they seem to know things that i didn't mention to them specifically, so i got a feeling they found out through my threads as well.

Anyway, this is purely a discussion but we should remember that this website is accessible to anyone, so we might want to be more cautious. Try google your nickname and you'll see direct links to your postings.

Ok, guys, lets continue to wait, and pray, and wait again...

Charles Barkley

Sep 21, 2008, 23:15

If you make irresponsible posts here, as if you were on record making irresponsible remarks in any other public domain, I am sure that could be used as grounds for denying you the scholarship. Though it wasn't a student applying for a MEXT scholarship, I have heard of an individual who had been accepted to the JET program (also run by MEXT) who saw his offer rescinded after his embassy read distasteful comments he had made on a JET-related message board.

That is not to say that everyone should type as if big-brother is watching over your shoulder, but do be aware, particularly if you want to describe your past involvement with (or desire to continuing participating in after coming to Japan) illegal activities such as drugs, prostitution, etc. The JET I heard of was kicked out for drug related comments...

JapanDream

Sep 22, 2008, 00:00

That is not to say that everyone should type as if big-brother is watching over your shoulder, but do be aware, particularly if you want to describe your past involvement with (or desire to continuing participating in after coming to Japan) illegal activities such as drugs, prostitution, etc. The JET I heard of was kicked out for drug related comments...
I do agree with Charles. The person who came up with this forum / thread sure did not intend it to be used in 'distasteful' ways. Regardless of whether or not this forum is being monitored by the embassy, we're all responsible grown-ups and should know where to draw the line, even in this faceless cyberspace. And bear in mind that some people may get offended although the remark might not be made intentionally. Let's use some sensible judgement and show respect the way we want to be respected.

c0ok1e

Sep 22, 2008, 00:39

True true.. I agree as well.. This thread is created for people to discuss about their problems in applying and as well after applying for the scholarship.. Any personal comments should be discussed outside of this forum.. We should be a responsible person and that is what the type of people the Embassy is looking for..

I will be the first one to apologize for any wrong post that I have came up with and advice others to follow suit if they have came up with any unrelated discussion..

:-)

clockworkorange

Sep 22, 2008, 14:52

I get surprised everytime i log in to this forum after a few days of not having done so.

It was very interesting reading Charles' post about living costs and what you do as a research student. Frankly I'm still not clear on what a research student does. What i got from Charles' post was that research students seem to have quite a bit of free time. Or does this solely depend on which university you're going to or the supervisor you're
under? Charles also mentioned that you could do research as a research student. Does that mean doing your own research or helping out the research group with their tasks?
Or maybe I should be asking my supervisor all these questions instead?

Btw, what does it mean by auditing classes?

Anyway, I apologize if these have been asked before. I just really browsed through the messages posted on this forum so i might have missed some answers.

And while we're on the subject of living costs, i went through some websites that had guidelines on how to find reasonable accommodation in Tokyo. It seemed to me that some of these places are for males only. I can't help wondering if its more difficult for females to get a place to live in. I realize the majority of ppl posting here are guys but in case you guys have an idea, i just thought i'd ask anyway.

Also regarding the LoA, I thot I'd share what Ms. Yin told me. (I hope this is allowed since there is the possibility that we're being monitored or something like that - grin.) This is nothing new but if some of u guys are worried about the number of LoAs you sent in (I know i was worried), don't. Well, i dun think u have to. I sent in only 1 LoA from 1 uni. I was worried that this would affect my chances of getting the scholarship. Obviously, it can't be denied that having more than 1 gives MEXT more choice on where to send you. What happens is they go through your documents, contact the universities you selected, find out how many students have already been admitted, what your research is and if they can fit you in, they will. If they can't, they might try to find a suitable university for you.

My opinion is this: That its not solely based on the LoA. Sure, its very important but i think they would certainly consider other criteria: your research, your academic results, your performance on the tests you took and the performance on the interview and what your interviewers had to say about you.

Thats it. Nothing new but thot i'd share.

And, cookie, prostitutes eh?

c0ok1e

Sep 22, 2008, 15:52

lol clockworkorange.. So did you apply for Tokyo?? I did not apply to Tokyo U.. About the accomodation and living cost website you mentioned, did it have a list for other places?? Can you post the link here so that we can have a look? Thanks

ooilingfan

Sep 22, 2008, 17:31

Clockwork:

I 'tuned' back to the first few pages of this Title, dating back to Jan 2008, where our fellow malaysian seniors have been successful in getting the scholarship.

I notice some posts about a few candidates (some from other countries) submitted only 1 or didn't get any LoAs at all but still managed to get pass the final round as MEXT is able to find them a Uni.
Well, that's some comforting news that MEXT is actually taking the trouble and effort to contact Unis to get students in.

Hmm..."results not based solely on LoA, considering performance in interview etc..."
Kinda worries me as i'm not really at my best during the interview. And my proposal makes me almost impossible to be considered by other universities...

When is February coming??
Why is time passing so slow... sometimes getting so depressed =p

Nall-ohki,

I noticed that you've actually passed the Embassy Recommendation last year June (2007).
May i ask what happened after that that made them put you under a candidate substitute? Is it because of LoA or something happened during the Tokyo selection?

kimberleylhj

Sep 22, 2008, 17:42

I'm pretty busy these days and that's good to get my mind off the scholarship result for a while. Seriously, I'll faint just thinking about it. February seems like a long time but if we are also constantly working on something now, I'm sure February will come soon. Let's all continue to work together to achieve our goal ya!

clockworkorange

Sep 22, 2008, 18:49

To cookie,
I have a feeling most of us in the forum have been to these websites but i'll mention them anyway. I went to the studyinjapan website. They have a section on living expenses if i'm not mistaken. I also went to the Tokyo University website. They have a section on accommodation. I did remember downloading something about international students living in japan, i'm not sure if i have it saved on my laptop at home, if i did i will attach it here somewhere or email it to you. If i don't, I'm sorry but i will try to find the website and let you know when i have the time. I apologize for not being very helpful, i looked for information BEFORE the interview. I don't do it very often nowadays because i'm trying to wait until its confirmed i get the scholarship.

One of the main things that got mentioned on these websites was the fact that they have company dormitories that are quite cheap but only available for males. Also some of the international dorms cater for males only. I might be mistaken - this was information i read quite some time ago but thats what i remember. Hence my question.

And yup, i applied to go to Tokyo Uni.

Hi ooilingfan,
I'm sorry if i have depressed you. It was most definitely not my intention to do that!!! If anything, i wanted to do the opposite. Most of what i posted earlier regarding how they'll consider the interview, academic results..etc is just my opinion. I certainly don't know how they actually go about it but i think my opinion makes sense (well, obviously, else it wouldn't be my opinion). I did not do well in my interview as well and i'm not saying it to make u feel better. I did not. But i'm sure there must be a reason why we passed the interview. I think kimberly and nall-ohki have it right. While we wait, we keep busy and enjoy life. After all, should we get the scholarship, Japan is faraway from Malaysia and no matter how much of a dream going to Japan is, I bet we will miss Malaysia. The food, the ppl, the language, family and friends. Maybe we should spend some time appreciating these things for now. And if the worst happens, there is always next year or other opportunities eh?

I guess what i'm trying to say is: Don't worry so much (i know its easier said than done)....we've done the best we can.

Charles Barkley

Sep 22, 2008, 18:57

There are also plenty of places only for women--I would actually guess these to be as common if not more common than ones exclusively for men.

Today I had two orientations, one for my graduate school and one for the japanese classes I will be taking, so I will share a bit more about my situation. I will stress however that each university will be different and each graduate school within a university will be different. At my graduate school, for example, most of the classes are taught in English, we decide our advisor after studying here for awhile (it could but doesn't have to be the professor who filled out our LOAs), class size/assignments etc are dictated by the professor, etc. My point is that there will be many things that will vary a lot between schools, so when you read my experiences, please keep that in mind.

Anyway, I have to take at least one class in my graduate school and can take up to 10 classes per year. If I become a degree seekign student, I can apply up to 5 classes to my master's/phd, so I plan on taking two or 3 courses this semester and then using those when, hopefully, I begin as a degree student next semester. I do not think I will be doing any research on my specific project this semester--just taking regular courses and japanese courses.

Auditing classes is taking classes without actually receiving grades. I assumed I would be doing that but it looks like I will actually be receiving grades for them.

As for Japanese classes, after getting the scores from our placement test, I got a big book of classes that I am allowed to choose from. At my school, there is not set schedule if you are above a certain level, so I get to choose when, how many, and what kind of classes I want to take. I will probably take no kanji classes, no writing classes, one reading class, a pronounciation class, a couple of listening and speaking classes, and then some themed electives. Looking forward to all of those.

I will be packing my schedule to make myself busy and take advantage of all the opportunities here. But you could very very easily not do that. I would only be required to take one class at my graduate school, could get away with maybe 5 hours of japanese classes per week, no research, and have no problems. That would be the minimum requirements (at my school, remember yours may be very different).

It looks like eventually I will be part of a research team, probably doing my own specific research related to a large group theme. I am not sure about that though.

Tonight I will be reading through the course catalogs and trying to figure everything out....

JapanDream

Sep 22, 2008, 19:16

After all, should we get the scholarship, Japan is faraway from Malaysia and no matter how much of a dream going to Japan is, I bet we will miss Malaysia. The food, the ppl, the language, family and friends. Maybe we should spend some time appreciating these things for now. And if the worst happens, there is always next year or other opportunities eh?
Make it a memorable wait. Tell the people around you how much you appreciate them. Imagine how you'd feel not being able to stay up late and go out for a quick bite at late nite hawker stalls after you go to Japan. (no more easy access to nasi kandar, teh tarik, char kway teow, satay, roti canai, nasi lemak,etc) Imagine how you will not be able to celebrate the festive season with your family for a few years. Cherish the things that you won't be able to do after going to Japan. Spend more quality time with your family and the people that really matter to you. Visit places in Malaysia that you have always wanted to visit but didn't find the time to. :-)

c0ok1e

Sep 22, 2008, 20:37

ooilingfan

Sep 23, 2008, 01:51

Japandreams' suggestion is a good one.. Maybe take some pictures with all your friends and family because you will be going there for quite some time.. But I do not recommend doing that now.. Imagine how disappointed we will be if we do all that and then told that we didnt manage to get the scholarship.. It would be like the end of the world..haha
:(

haha, EXACTLY, cookie
I have thought about all those but i'm afraid as i do that i will really assume that i'm going in April for sure.

Maybe i'm pessimistic, maybe i'm not good enough to separate 2 emotions, and maybe i'm just lacking confidence.
Whatever it is, i'm not that kind of 'cool' person who can just "pick it up and put it down easily"
I take things a bit too seriously and have high expectations in everything i do. But with that comes passion and undivided dedication.
I find it quite hard to maintain detached and unemotional while putting in all my energy and effort. Bottomline, i'm emotional. =) but passionate.

clockwork,
don't worry bout it. It's not because of you.
I'm depressed solely because of my emotions.
When i'm trapped in between uncertainties, i feel depressed easily.
I too wish we will see each other soon.
perhaps some of us will be studying Japanese language together before departing to respective universities in Oct 2009.
Fingers cRoSSeD, and tied up. (keep it crossed) :okashii:

c0ok1e

Sep 23, 2008, 09:43

Yup.. Lets just wait and hope together siliently.. Sometimes I wonder if I will ever get to meet the people in this forum..haha.. Not knowing each other in real life when we really do meet in Japan, we still dont know we actually talked so much before..lol

clockworkorange

Sep 23, 2008, 10:12

Charles,

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I understand how it will be different depending on the university but at the very least, i have a general idea of what its like as a research student. It seems to me that the more adept you are at Japanese, the more likely you'll have an easier time there. And i don't know how sad this makes me but the idea of going through course catalogs deciding what to take excites me terribly. :P

Well, i wish everybody the best of luck. I actually applied to go in October instead of April so i still have quite a long wait to go even if i do get the scholarship. But no matter. Life doesn't begin AFTER you get the scholarship (actually if you go there and find yourself under a heavy workload, i think your life kinda ends). I'm trying to use the time to learn a bit of Japanese. Anyway, here's hoping for the best for all of us.

c0ok1e

Sep 23, 2008, 17:08

just curious..do u mind to share why you chose to go in OCtober?? Dont you want to experience it earlier?

Charles Barkley

Sep 23, 2008, 17:24

It seems to me that the more adept you are at Japanese, the more likely you'll have an easier time there.

An important point and one that I am quite surprised some people don't seem to have considered enough before coming over. There aren't a lot of people like this, but I have met MEXT scholars who are surprised that their quality of life will suffer considerably if they don't have the japanese skills.

Getting things done quickly and efficiently; meeting people; feeling like you are aware of and a part of things; etc etc, all require a certain degree of Japanese proficiency.

If you aren't at that level yet, use the time you have now to study study study. Get a tutor, attend classes, etc.

You will thank yourself later (and it should be fun for you now)

clockworkorange

Sep 23, 2008, 18:52

I am trying my best to learn as much Japanese as I can. I take classes once a week nowadays (not enough, i know, i work irregular hours on weekdays) but i find it difficult to improve because i don't have anyone to practise speaking Japanese with outside of class. One of the things i thought would help me was to buy Japanese books. I can read hiragana and katakana so i bought those really simple children storybooks to read. It was all in hiragana. I could read but i didn't understand very much without the dictionary. All this frankly alarms me.

I also buy this self practice kanji books but i dunno how much it will help me. So anyone with some suggestions would find me very grateful!!!!

Cookie, my reasons for wanting to go in October:

1) So that i can learn a bit of Japanese before i go. I notice alot of the ppl here know some Japanese and most of the Malaysians know Chinese. I think being able to read Chinese would give you a good advantage in learning Japanese kanji. I don't know ANY Chinese or Japanese so i thot i'd give myself some time to learn the latter.

2) I want to gain more work experience. I'm an engineer and work experience is important as an engineer (actually work experience is important regardless of what profession you're in). I wanted to go to Japan with at least some work experience. I don't know what the possibilities are for getting an internship with a Japanese company as a graduate student there, I haven't researched anything but the possibility did occur to me. I didn't want to work for 5 years and then apply for the scholarship because by then i might have commitments.

3) To me going in April would bring the total years spent in Japan to 4 years. I know this is not necessarily the case but this is my assumption. I find this is rather long for a Masters. My worry is about the difficulty of finding a job once I get back to Malaysia. Having said that, if i do have to go in April (assuming i get the scholarship), I will. This is an opportunity rarely given.

So those are my reasons. Some of you might disagree with them but its just my opinion, really. i'm not saying going in October is any better than going in April. It just depends on what you want and what your perspectives are.

c0ok1e

Sep 23, 2008, 20:04

Charles,
How much Japanese do we need to know before going over that can be considered as suffcient over there?? I am not fluent in japanese and I cant read chinese as well.. I only have a JLPT level 4 so I am really not sure if my level is enough although I feel that wont be enough..haha.. care to share how basic we need to know before going over?

clockwork,
You mean masters in engineering takes 4 years in Japan?? Thats a very long time for just a masters..However, since you are already working and comfortable with your job, I think the time you choose to go is not important anymore..lol

:-)

JapanDream

Sep 23, 2008, 21:00

I think being able to read Chinese would give you a good advantage in learning Japanese kanji.
Hi Clockworkorange,
It is true that having some knowledge in chinese will give you an advantage in kanji. After all, kanji is mostly chinese characters. I think you're doing the right thing for starters -- reading with a dictionary on hand! The grammar part, though, is what I find to be one of the most difficult aspects in learning written Japanese. Verb conjugation, sentence patterns, etc all take time to grasp. From what I heard, even though you are conveying the same message, you'll be saying completely different words depending on who you talk to and your relative social position. As for listening, maybe it will help if you start watching Japanese drama or anime with english subtitles. But when it comes to spoken Japanese, I think you will have to be either in Japan or know some close Japanese friends to get a good practice. Oh yea, not forgetting Japanese songs and karaoke--I'm sure you'll pick up a thing or 2 there as well! :cool: I'm also taking Japanese lesson once a week nowadays, and I will be sitting for JLPT 3 this december. But it's gonna be tough for me because my instructor told us we won't be able to get to that level by then at the current rate we're going, so he advised those that signed up to do self-study outside of class. Anyone here also taking the JLPT?
There is a link that I find pretty useful for learning Japanese. You might wanna check it out.
www dot mlcjapanese dot co dot jp
All the best to everyone!

kouki

Sep 23, 2008, 21:19

No worries, not knowing Chinese might help you in some way. Most of the Japanese Kanji looks familiar but they bear a different meaning in Japanese. So knowing Chinese will somehow makes you feel you know that word, but not exactly what it means in the usage. By large, Japanese Kanji has a different pronunciation from Chinese, so you have to memorize it all over again. But knowing a dialect or two of Chinese might help. So don't give up!!!

JLPT level 3 sounds good!!! At least according to the specification by the Japan Foundation, you can actually engaged in the daily conversation with the Japanese. At least you would no feel so stressed when you are in Japan.

But anyway, learn as much as you can before departing to Japan.

Charles Barkley

Sep 23, 2008, 22:42

ooilingfan

Sep 23, 2008, 23:29

There is no reason to panic about not knowing Japanese now. If you work hard, you will pick it up quickly. It just makes life much easier and more enjoyable at the beginning. If you don't know Japanese, just make sure to be patient, realize you won't always understand what's going on, don't get discouraged if you can't participate in conversations, and try to be outgoing using your English.

If you are friendly, flexible, and patient, you probably won't have any serious problems if your Japanese is lacking. If you get frustrated easily, it could be a problem, so keep that in mind.

Why 4 years to get a masters? I am trying to do it in 2.5--I just applied to enter the master's program, so hopefully will start in april, putting me at half a year as a research student and 2 years to get the masters...

I think yours is a special case, charles.
For the rest of us, the fastest we can do is in 3 years. 6 months jap language, 6 months as research student and enroll in April 2010, ending March 2012. Unless we opt for the October departure, then it'll be like yours, first 6 months kinda 2 in 1 (jap language + research student + preparing for entrance exam in Feb). The total length is shorter, but will still complete everything in March 2012 (based on 2-year Master program scenario).

c0ok1e

Sep 24, 2008, 09:41

Charles,
You're taking masters in engineering as well??

Speaking about the duration, how many years do you guys expect to be studying in Japan?? Anyone plan to finish up to phd?? Some courses the minimum is 2 years but usually we need to extend.. Lets discuss about the duration and plans of our courses here..

For me, I think that my course will need to extend more than 2 years thats why im worried if i have to finance myself after the scholarship expires.. If this is the case, I wont be able to finance myself and have to stop halfway..It would be a waste of my 2 years if this happens.. so sad.

:(

Charles Barkley

Sep 24, 2008, 10:39

JapanDream

Sep 24, 2008, 11:29

Ahh, yes, if your school only conducts new admissions once per year, and that one time takes place in the spring, 3 years would probably be the minimum. Though I did arrive in the fall, had I arrived in the spring I still would have been able to try to start after 6 months, as my school has twice yearly admissions. So perhaps others are unlikely to be in a similar situation.

I am in the Graduate School of Asia Pacific Studies at Waseda.

Hi Charles,

I am interested in finding out more about your class auditing activity, if you don't mind. Did you mention that you'll be receiving a grade for it? If you do, does that mean you'll also get the credits? This leads to the next question: are we actually allowed to attend classes and get the credits which can be used to fulfill the Master's requirement, even b4 we change our status from research to Master's student?

I understand that 30 credits is the standard requirement for a getting a Master's in a Japanese Uni. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do you know how is each class translated to 2 credit hrs? Does it have to do with how many hours you spend in the lecture each week? Thanks for your feedback!

clockworkorange

Sep 24, 2008, 11:39

Hello everybody,

What i meant was a total of 4 years in Japan....not 4 years to complete the masters.
4 years = 2 years (research student) + 2 years (masters student). If i go in October, then 3.5 years = 1.5 years (research student) + 2 years (masters student). I think it is possible for the duration (of being a research student) to be shorter depending on your Japanese language proficiency. My course will most probably be conducted in Japanese which means that I do need to be proficient.

I'm also thinking of the worst case scenario. If i am not able to gain entry into any Japanese university after taking entrance exams, i would like to think that the time i spent as a research student gave some valuable experiences. 1.5 years isn't too long a break from the work force, i think.

Having said that, i do desperately want to get into Tokyo University. But of course, I've read that Tokyo University is notorious for their killer entrance exams. One blogger described it as "murderously difficult". So I'm just being realistic and looking at it from all possible angles.

Thank you very much for all the suggestions and encouragement regarding learning the Japanese language.

JapanDream, was JLPT 4 difficult?

kimberleylhj

Sep 24, 2008, 12:25

Don't worry so much if you have basic Japanese language knowledge. You'll pick it up once you are there. I can see that all are already learning and taking the initiative to sit for JLPT. So no worries there.

I too do no have Chinese characters reading and writing knowledge prior to learning Japanese. I hated Kanji and find it so tough at one point, I decided to just learn Japanese conversation and stop my normal language class. However, this year I went for regular classes again and now I'm slowly improving and in fact, can read some Chinese. I am worried too coz I'm also going to attend lessons in Japanese if I get in my 1st priority university, but I think if we have the determination to learn, it will be okay.

menrui

Sep 24, 2008, 12:53

I, personally, am in no rush to finish school and enter the working world. I really hate the idea of "growing up". Yes, I know its a bad thing, my parents/friends/brother tells me that all the time. I love school and everything that comes with it: learning, friends, school life, etc. Also, I want to be able to teach at the college level once this is all over. So, I plan to enter as a research student and attempt to go as far as a PhD degree. I have no idea how long it will take and I dont really mind.

One of my concern is extending the scholarship. I am bounded to it, so if I cant extend it, my studies in japan will end there.

It seems like every one is busy working... but me. I recently graduate like 3 months ago, and have been living with my parents. I dont really do anything, I just "take care" of the house haha. I study japanese and for the GRE a little bit every day. Anyways, it been 3months and i feel like im going to explode.

As for me, im studying for the JLPT lvl 2 test. im not actually taking it because there are no test location near me(but there is one in Arkansas for some reason...), but it sets me a goal. I sure I can pass lvl3, but lvl2 is significantly alot harder so i have a long way to go.
Anyways, keeps studying guys.

clockworkorange

Sep 24, 2008, 13:30

You know, menrui, i agree with you. I love learning, i love student life, i love school, i love books. I like the smell of books and i like taking classes.

You can learn at work but its not the same. The one thing i hate about working is the rigid schedule. From 9 - 5 (9 - 7 really), your time is not your own. I kind of feel like sheep sometimes.

I would like to be an academician myself. Maybe i will be some day, hopefully, but the thing is, it takes a long time. I need to work to support my parents and myself in the future. Else, i'd be studying with you!

I took care of the house for more or less 3 months as well after i graduated. I wanted to take care of it longer but my parents weren't having any of it. so now my cat takes care of the house. Grin.

if your studying for the jlpt 2 but not taking the test, how do you know how you'll fare for the actual test? You take a practice test or past paper or something? Sorry, i'm not really familiar with jlpt.

JapanDream

Sep 24, 2008, 14:36

I too do no have Chinese characters reading and writing knowledge prior to learning Japanese. I hated Kanji and find it so tough at one point, I decided to just learn Japanese conversation and stop my normal language class. However, this year I went for regular classes again and now I'm slowly improving and in fact, can read some Chinese. I am worried too coz I'm also going to attend lessons in Japanese if I get in my 1st priority university, but I think if we have the determination to learn, it will be okay.

Yup, if you have the determination and if you're dedicated, it shouldn't be too much of a problem to do well in Japanese language.:cool:

JLPT 4 is alright and I personally think it's not too difficult. It's the beginner's level and it shouldn't be. =) In fact, don't worry too much if you don't have any background in chinese. Kanji only takes up a small portion of the test in Section 1. Section 2 is the hardest in my opinion. It is the listening part and you have to be quick to answer the question on the spot, or else you will have no time to go back to the question later on. Bear in mind you need to bubble in the correct answer PLUS the other 3 incorrect choices for each question. Section 3 is the grammar section and if you study and know the rules, you will fare well. All in all, I think you will have just about enough time to finish the whole test, with not much time left to spare for checking your answers. I would say that level 4 is not that hard to PASS (60% of total score) but if you want to score well, then you will have to put in the extra effort. Do you plan to take it in Dec?

menrui

Sep 24, 2008, 15:04

I need to work to support my parents and myself in the future.

I hate hearing that... it really makes me want to cry. I grew up believing that too, and it felt really awful. but its different now so i dont need to work so soon.

my parents dont like my staying at home all day... so i need to find a part time job soon.

there are plenty of old jlpt test online. there is also a recommended kanji/vocab(and i think grammar) list for each lvl. I just browsed through lvl4 and lvl3 test/recommended list, and i could answer most of the questions and i know most of the recommended list. lvl2 however, i get really lost because of vocab and kanji. so, im going to study lvl2 stuff until i feel like i can complete a lvl 2 jlpt test with ease.

c0ok1e

Sep 24, 2008, 15:28

I did have the same thiking like menrui before, just study and enjoy our life until we are ready for the working world.. Maybe for female it is ok to do that..im not sure but as a male i dont think we can afford to do that..maybe not in the asian society.. Once you get a girlfriend you start thinking about family and your responsibility as a man... It becomes something like your life doesnt belong to you yourself anymore.. you have to take care of the people around you..

Just a question here, the 6 months language course that we will be taking, what level do you think we will be at after we finish the course? JLPT lvl 2?? Can we take jlpt in japan? cuz after finish the course might try to take jlpt so we have extra qualification..

kimberleylhj

Sep 24, 2008, 15:37

Level 2 is crazy! For me that is. I passed my Level 3 & 4 ages ago but until today, still struggling to take Level 2. Haha..

ooilingfan

Sep 24, 2008, 16:13

Hi guys,
for me I'm in no hurry to work. Having been working both in my own field and corporate before, I have a rough idea of what's out there and frankly it isn't very tempting. So I don't mind spending a couple of years in Uni building my academic capabilities and labaratory experience.
If possible, I may extend up to PhD, subject to the advise of my supervisor.
Anyway, I just want to kick start my postgraduate =)
Loved to go back to the book crunching days.
Been in marketing for almost a year, kinda tired now =) it's exciting, but exhausting and doesn't really enrich the intellectual mind, though the experience is great and tests on endurance and physique. =p

kouki

Sep 24, 2008, 16:44

I think for the Japanese Language Course, they are going to allocate us into different classes with different levels, aiming at polishing our Japanese Language to teaching us Japanese Language. It well depends on how we faired our Japanese Language test in our preliminary round. Perhaps there are some small test to group us again, I am not sure. But certainly, they will try to make us being able:

to use Japanese in our daily life (JLPT level 3 or EJU Japanese C or Basic Japanese)
to engage ourselves with others in daily life through active writing or expressive level of Japanese(JLPT level 2 or EJU Japanese B or Intermediate Japanese)
to have proficiency in Japanese and being able to present ourselves technically via writing medium, especially theses (JLPT level 1 or EJU Japanese A or Advanced Japanese)

Haha, maybe I am thinking a bit too much!!!:blush:

>c0ok1e

Yes, you can still sit for JLPT test in Japan, in many places in Japan, but perhaps at a price a lot higher than you are in Malaysia, it is about RM50-60 in Malaysia, but expect it to be much more in Japan. But you are getting the results earlier.

Some universities even give incentives to their students who score high marks in JLPT, i.e. >360 in Level 1. One university which I know is Kyushu Institute of Technology. The amount is not small either. Maybe you can give it a shot when you are there. Haha.

Charles Barkley

Sep 24, 2008, 19:00

Hi Charles,
I am interested in finding out more about your class auditing activity, if you don't mind. Did you mention that you'll be receiving a grade for it? If you do, does that mean you'll also get the credits? This leads to the next question: are we actually allowed to attend classes and get the credits which can be used to fulfill the Master's requirement, even b4 we change our status from research to Master's student?
I understand that 30 credits is the standard requirement for a getting a Master's in a Japanese Uni. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do you know how is each class translated to 2 credit hrs? Does it have to do with how many hours you spend in the lecture each week? Thanks for your feedback!

Again, I am sure it varies based on school and department within the school, but at my school I will take classes for grades while a kenkyuusei, and when I become a regular student, up to 10 credits (with the exact same grades) can be applied to my degree.

2 credits per class and each class meets once a week for 90 minutes. At my school, research project counts for 8 credits so 11 other classes are required for the masters.

Charles Barkley

Sep 24, 2008, 19:11

Though you are a japanese student for "6 months," if your school is like waseda, you might only spend 3.5 months of that time actually in school, as our japanese program runs on the same semester system as the normal university. If you are dedicated to study the other 2.5 months and really push yourself while at language school, you should be somewhere in between 3kyuu and 2kyuu. If you keep up the study for a year, particularly if you are korean or know chinese, you should be able to pass 2kyuu without problem--the others might be able to do it as well. I am assuming you come over knowing the kanas but not much else.

One thing I am happy about is that even after my first 6 months, I can continue to take japanese courses. I expect by that time I will be able to pass 1kyuu without serious difficulty, but that alone doesn't mean I'll be able to keep up in graduate classes conducted in Japanese. At my current level (in between 2 and 1) I wouldn't stand a chance....

c0ok1e

Sep 24, 2008, 20:58

Charles Barkley

Sep 24, 2008, 22:06

I really am not qualified to answer that question yet, and since I am studying in the humanities, I am not sure at all that my answer would be relevant to a sciences based degree program.

JapanDream

Sep 25, 2008, 23:10

Again, I am sure it varies based on school and department within the school, but at my school I will take classes for grades while a kenkyuusei, and when I become a regular student, up to 10 credits (with the exact same grades) can be applied to my degree.
2 credits per class and each class meets once a week for 90 minutes. At my school, research project counts for 8 credits so 11 other classes are required for the masters.

Hi Charles,

Thanks for checking back often on this forum even after you've settled down in Japan. Your advice and the experience you share have really given us a better idea of what there is to come. :-)

In your dept, how many students does each class have on average? What is the most represented nationality, other than Japanese?

Charles Barkley

Sep 25, 2008, 23:27

I haven't started classes yet, so ask me again in a few weeks (I start on monday).

My department is made 70% international students, 30% Japanese.

Of the international students, 30% are chinese, 15% korea, 9% american, 5-6% of each of Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, and Indonesia, then smaller percentages of other countries. So the majority come from Asian countries not including Japan.

My department is...unsual.

menrui

Sep 26, 2008, 07:47

2 credits per class and each class meets once a week for 90 minutes

This made me giggle a bit. :blush:

dblbstrd

Sep 26, 2008, 16:44

Hey guys...
Any of you US folks have any good ideas on what to do for deferment of federal student loans?
My post-graduation grace period is just about to end, and I know I can't get an "in-school" deferment because my school isn't part of the US financial aid system...
I'm thinking about shooting for the "graduate fellowship" one, though I don't know if they would accept that or not. Seems the other option is "economic hardship" deferment, but that's only good for three years (if they approve it in the first place) which isn't long enough for me to stay for my PhD if that's what I choose.

Anybody know anything? I get told something different every time I call the people to ask about it, so I have no idea what is going to happen...
I don't think I can really afford to make those payments just yet haha.

dblbstrd

Sep 26, 2008, 16:56

This made me giggle a bit. :blush:

That is true at my school too, 2 credits per class, class is once a week for 90 minutes.
I think it's actually about right as far as hours in class per credit issued?
Besides, in grad school, there's less emphasis on credit hours anyway than undergrad.

I will say that some of the coursework may be pretty lax. A lot of courses here either have no homework and grade students only by midterm/final, or maybe the other way around; I sat in on a class last term where there were no tests and only hw like every other week, and the hw was mostly pretty easy (there was one really tough assignment).
It all depends on the profs.

dblbstrd

Sep 26, 2008, 17:02

Charles,
Can i know how the masters programme run?? Im taking masters in the science field and in my country, usually the masters is a full research course without taking any lecture classes..
However I have the feeling that in Japan, it doesnt focus much on research but more on classes.. So will we have a hard time presenting our research thesis since we divide our time into lecture and research.. this way, our research would be less impactful cuz we did not concentrate fully on it..

I'm in an engineering master's course here... in my case we have to take about 20 credits of course work: 10 credits of "basic" courses, and 10 of specialized subjects.
Courses are 2 credits each, so that means 5 of each type of subject.
We also have to take one 2-credit seminar, and receive 8 credits for doing the masters' thesis for a total of 30 credits.
They encourage people to finish all or most of their courses during their first year, so that they can focus on their research projects for the second year.
I think that it's probably roughly like this at most schools in Japan.

Hope that helps!

db

JapanDream

Sep 26, 2008, 18:18

I'm in an engineering master's course here... in my case we have to take about 20 credits of course work: 10 credits of "basic" courses, and 10 of specialized subjects.
Courses are 2 credits each, so that means 5 of each type of subject.
We also have to take one 2-credit seminar, and receive 8 credits for doing the masters' thesis for a total of 30 credits.
They encourage people to finish all or most of their courses during their first year, so that they can focus on their research projects for the second year.
I think that it's probably roughly like this at most schools in Japan.
Hope that helps!
db

Hi dblstrd,

How many credits per semester is considered an average load vs heavy load?

clockworkorange

Sep 26, 2008, 18:21

c0ok1e

Sep 26, 2008, 21:12

yup, I would like to know the answers like what clockworkorange ask...Really have no idea what will be asked in the entrance exam.

JapanDream

Sep 26, 2008, 21:56

I know each dept within every school is different, but hey, it will be great if there is some past entrance exam papers available somewhere on the internet. :blush: That way at least we can have some idea of what to prepare. But chances are there won't be...:(

menrui

Sep 26, 2008, 23:05

dblbstrd,
well, im one of the few from the US... but i really cant help you. i dont know anything about those stuff. the US economy isnt doing so great right now and im sure thats not going to help you either... sorry
Also, i was giggling because i often hear about how much more "easier" japanese college is than that of the US. our prof told us about it, and even our course book says so. our prof also let us watch a video about the typical life of a japanese college student, and we were very shocked and awed. Anyways, i dont think that represents all student.

Japandream,
i think some univ websites have their extrance exams online. i know nagoya's chemistry dept does. for other univ, i think you can ask for them. i dont think they would make you take an entrance exam so blindly.

Charles Barkley

Sep 26, 2008, 23:24

I believe Japanese bookstores sell prep books for individual school's entrance exams.

ooilingfan

Sep 27, 2008, 01:56

hmm....seems like we will need another forum on "Entrance Exam" soon. =)
then we can all start discussing on that.

dblbstrd

Sep 27, 2008, 07:22

Hi dblbstrd,
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I found it pretty useful, especially since i applied to do a masters in engineering as well.
Should i get the scholarship, one of the main things that worry me is the entrance exam. I applied to go to the University of Tokyo and i've looked through their website. I know that there'll be an oral and written exam. It seems to me that they conduct the exam in Japanese and the website states that there are no exceptions made for international students. I don't know if you do go to the University of Tokyo but either way, if you could share your experience, i'd be really grateful. Was it conducted in Japanese and if so, was it extremely tough?
Also, I'm curious to know what it was like for you as a research student? Did u do any of the research u outlined in the study plan u submitted whilst applying for the scholarship? Or is that something u do when ur a masters student? Does it all depend solely on your supervisor?
I'm sorry for all the questions..especially when i offer no answers for yours. I do hope however, you find a solution to your problem.
Thanks again.
Well, at my school the written portion of the exam was offered in either Japanese or English, so of course I took it in English. But it was mainly math stuff, so it may not make much of a difference. They might provide previous years' exams for you to review, which would help you learn what kinds of problems there will be, and what sort of technical terms are likely to show up. We have the past three years' exams online in PDF form but have to go to the dept. office to request the English version. Some of the people around the lab also had notebooks full of several previous years' exams (up to 6-7 years ago) often with solutions that we could study from.
The format at my school (not Tokyo but another national uni) was that there were two math tests (both required), and eight specialized subject tests from which we had to choose two.
The first math test covered calculus, ordinary differential equations, vector analysis, and linear algebra, and we had to pick three out of the four sections to do.
The second math test covered fourier series/transforms, laplace transforms, and partial differential equations, and we had to pick two of three.
The subject tests were things like control engineering, mechanical systems, materials science, thermodynamics, electricity/magnetism, quantum mechanics.
However this is just the mech eng department exam.. the exams are different for electrical engineering and computer science I think.
Then, there was the oral part, which consisted of a talk on the applicant's graduation thesis (I didn't have a thesis so I just did a general overview of my research experience), followed by a little interview by some profs from the department. This had to be in Japanese for master's applicants. PhD applicants have the option of doing it in English because they don't have to take any classes anyway.
As a research student, I did get to work some on my project, including a trip to a research facility to do some tests on our stuff, but a lot of the work I did at first was sort of like chores. It all depends on your professor and your labmates. I find at the moment that I don't interact much with my professor, I deal more with the PhD student who is in charge of my project.
And I spent one full month just studying for the exam and not doing anything else, which I guess paid off because I passed on the first try!
By the way, if you are taking the intensive Japanese language course first, don't expect to spend very much time in your lab for the first six months. It takes up a lot of your time, and if it's not near your lab you won't have much time to get there unless you spend all evenings there or something. I already had some Japanese experience so they sent me straight to my lab instead of the language course...

dblbstrd

Sep 27, 2008, 07:34

Also, i was giggling because i often hear about how much more "easier" japanese college is than that of the US. our prof told us about it, and even our course book says so. our prof also let us watch a video about the typical life of a japanese college student, and we were very shocked and awed. Anyways, i dont think that represents all student.

Well when I did an undergrad exchange program, I did have a couple classes where we had either very little or no homework at all, and we never had any exams in any classes except Japanese...
Also a friend of mine who has already finished most of the master's course here was telling me what classes and professors I could take where the course would basically be graded only on attendance so if you just show up all the time you get an A+... so you are right about that in a sense, though it REALLY depends entirely on the professors.
Personally I will pick subjects that are interesting to me over subjects that I know will be an easy A though.

On the other hand, the Japanese tend to work really hard when they feel they are expected to, they'll do very long hours and stay until the job is done when something really needs to get done. At least inn engineering school it's not all dicking around all the time.

c0ok1e

Sep 27, 2008, 23:20

After reading about the entrance exam from dbl i start worrying about the entrance exam.. lol..

Im from biology and it has been like a few years since i did any calculus or any advance maths stuff.. if they start asking me about those kind of maths question i wont be able to come up with any answers..

I hope that the entrance exam question will vary between the course that we are taking but i also have a feeling that they wont and they have a standard question..

:relief:

JapanDream

Sep 28, 2008, 17:08

On the other hand, the Japanese tend to work really hard when they feel they are expected to, they'll do very long hours and stay until the job is done when something really needs to get done.

I suppose this is what the 'Japanese Spirit' is all about :bow:!

Charles Barkley

Sep 28, 2008, 17:51

I suppose this is what the 'Japanese Spirit' is all about :bow:!

That's some good vomit-inducing selective quoting right there. The 'Japanese spirit'? Get a job writing 日本人論 20 years ago...

dblbstrd

Sep 28, 2008, 18:31

After reading about the entrance exam from dbl i start worrying about the entrance exam.. lol..
Im from biology and it has been like a few years since i did any calculus or any advance maths stuff.. if they start asking me about those kind of maths question i wont be able to come up with any answers..
I hope that the entrance exam question will vary between the course that we are taking but i also have a feeling that they wont and they have a standard question..
:relief:

Nah, for biology it should be different. Mechanical engineering is much more math-intensive than biology.
Just study the past exams (assuming they provide them) and you will be ok!

clockworkorange

Sep 29, 2008, 10:05

dblbstrd,

Thank you very much for your detailed description. It helped a lot. At the very least i know more or less what to expect. And its very very motivating. Sure, i know it might not be exactly the same in the University of Tokyo but it could be very similar and although some of the subjects i dun much like ( the thought of laplace transforms and fourier series makes me very much want to cry), i can be prepared for it.

Charles actually gave me an idea to go source for past entrance exams in bookstores. or at the very least some book that gives an idea of what Japanese universities' standards are like. I dun really think I'll find any but in Malaysia there are lots of books on how to prepare for UK or American exams so i figure there's no harm in trying to look. though the amount of malaysian students going for a Japanese education is considerably less than those going to the UK or the US. Still.....

Thanks again. And i sincerely hope you get your problem solved.

kouki

Sep 29, 2008, 22:07

>clockworkorange

I have two suggestions here:

1. Try ask from your supervisor (professor in Japan) or his/her secretary. Usually in the lab, there should have one complete set of past years questions, with answer. Ask your supervisor, about the format of the oral test, some would require you to answer some question on the spot, some would like to discuss more on your hope for your research.

2. There is one place called Japan Foundation Kuala Lumpur, if you know the place. It was previously located in Menara Citibank, now it has already moved to somewhere near Mid-Valley. At the moment it still close, because it is in the processing of moving to the Mid-Valley vicinity spot. Should start opening after 7 October. There are some university entry examination papers, but most of them are for EJU preparation.

Anyway, the Japan Foundation Kuala Lumpur (JFKL) should be a very good places for you to get Japanese resources, so don't miss the chance. You will get free magazines, books and maps there. To be a member, you will only need to pay RM10, but even non-members can browse through the books there. They have a variety of books there. For those who are preparing for JLPT test, you might want to consider that as one of your resources to prepare yourselves for the Japanese course. There are also music CD, Japanese drama DVD and VCD, and a quite a number of mangas as well.

Wish you all good luck!

c0ok1e

Sep 30, 2008, 10:06

Just a quick question here..how many of you here have already graduated long and have been working? Can u still keep up with your studies when u start your masters in jp?

jdoramred

Sep 30, 2008, 18:34

Just a quick question here..how many of you here have already graduated long and have been working? Can u still keep up with your studies when u start your masters in jp?

I graduated in 2000 and been working since, so looking forward to going back to a life of study... although it'll be very different living on a student 'salary' and a complete change in life style.
I'm flying out to Japan tomorrow, so should soon have a much better idea of what this MEXT scholarship will entail.

ooilingfan

Sep 30, 2008, 21:48

I graduated in 2000 and been working since, so looking forward to going back to a life of study... although it'll be very different living on a student 'salary' and a complete change in life style.
I'm flying out to Japan tomorrow, so should soon have a much better idea of what this MEXT scholarship will entail.

Safe trip and all the best, jdoramred!

cookie,
good point. =)
i've been working for 1 year and frankly,haven't been in touch with my own field for quite some time. Looks like a good time to 'refresh' my memory a bit while waiting. A lot of catching up to do.

clockworkorange

Oct 3, 2008, 10:20

To kouki,
Thank you very much for your suggestion. I appreciate it a lot.

I did consider asking my supervisor or the international office but i decided to wait until it is confirmed that i have received the scholarship. I don't want to be a bother as I caused quite a lot of inconvenience for my supervisor regarding the Letter of Acceptance.

Your information regarding the Japanese Foundation was very useful. I will try to go. I don't really go around kl all that much so i'm quite unfamiliar with places but anyhow if i have the opportunity to go, i will. I don't know why the thought never occured to me. :P

I also have obtained sample questions regarding the entrance exam. They have downloadable questions on their website. My fault i did not notice them. :P

Anyway, thank you for your suggestions!!

Cookie, I have been working for a year as well. i guess it won't take a lot to refresh the memory. One year is not that long i think. But i don't know....i have yet to take a look at my books.

kouki

Oct 3, 2008, 10:45

>clockworkorange

It is ok, just trying to help. Just let us know if you have any other questions. I'll be glad of help.

>c0ok1e

I am still a student.

For the university entrance examination, you might want to ask the admission office. In most universities, there is a specific person-in-charge of the admission examination. For some universities, they even have a person-in-charge for each graduate school. But the problem is, you will have to ask them to send to somewhere in Japan. Anyway, some persons-in-charge can send a softcopy to you.

zheng_ys

Oct 4, 2008, 20:42

Hi..I would like to ask who ever applied the ASJA International Scholarship other than monbusho? It is the very interesting scholarship program than monbusho but just open for those ASEAN countries citizen.....

Thanks....

ooilingfan

Oct 11, 2008, 21:53

Hi guys, it has been quite for a while... And the october batch has just recently took off to Japan.

The world economy slumped greatly, so are Malaysia's and Japan's... I hope it will not prompt MEXT to cut it's number of scholars for this upcoming year. Which is our batch!
worrying...

menrui

Oct 11, 2008, 22:56

hehe, I was actually worried about the same thing when this whole economic downfall happened. So I've been paying alot more attention to politics and the economy lately. Anyways, I'm sure education funding isn't one of the first things they would cut... Let's hope for the best!

ooilingfan

Oct 11, 2008, 23:43

kshoo

Oct 12, 2008, 17:39

Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

kimberleylhj

Oct 13, 2008, 23:48

It has been crossed for a very long time... haha..
How are you ppl doing?

Nall-ohki

Oct 14, 2008, 02:54

It has been crossed for a very long time... haha..
How are you ppl doing?

Crappy, really. Don't want this to slip through my fingers again.

kshoo

Oct 14, 2008, 09:54

Well, the only thing we can do now is to stay positive/optimistic.

menrui

Oct 14, 2008, 10:10

waiting sucks. in other news, im in the best shape of my life.

ooilingfan

Oct 14, 2008, 11:25

Good for you Menrui.
I'm waiting, praying and waiting...
Me and my friend in Osaka is so looking forward to this. We already have some nice plans.

Hope you guys are all doing well in your jobs/studies.
BTW, I just started my japanese class - beginner's level. So far, love it, great language, great sensei. Hope to pick up some japanese language before going, not much but at least not totally blank. =)

menrui

Oct 14, 2008, 11:57

^wow, you have friends in osaka and plans already!?
I've only read about osaka and took a google earth tour...it was really confusing.

ooilingfan

Oct 14, 2008, 17:34

^wow, you have friends in osaka and plans already!?
I've only read about osaka and took a google earth tour...it was really confusing.

yea, just one. He's my best bud in high school.
Got the MEXT for undergraduate 4 years ago.
got a few friends who went there with MEXT, but it seems that the process for undergrad and postgrad is very much different.
Osaka is in Kansai. Not really sure where is it either =p. I've tried figure out the campus map, also quite confusing. It seems like we've got tonnes to do once we reach there. The orientation process seems complicated.

kimberleylhj

Oct 14, 2008, 19:40

My friend in Tokyo is also always talking about meeting me there already. Haha..

We can practice our nihongo some time too...

ooilingfan

Oct 15, 2008, 00:52

still about 4 more months to go guys! nihon no ta me ni gambarimasho

Nall-ohki

Oct 15, 2008, 02:09

waiting sucks. in other news, im in the best shape of my life.

Gah. I am so slammed at work, I have no chance to do anything. I'm about 20 pounds up from where I want to be.

ooilingfan

Oct 15, 2008, 15:33

Nikkei went up 14.15%. woo hoo

clockworkorange

Oct 20, 2008, 14:07

Gah. I am so slammed at work, I have no chance to do anything. I'm about 20 pounds up from where I want to be.

Sadly, I understand this. I dun even pretend anymore that i'll be going to the gym after i get back from work. So how is everybody doing?

I was also wondering, is anybody considering working in Japan after studying? This is assuming that we get the scholarship of course. And for those who are already scholars, do you work part-time? I read that working part-time is pretty common for students. I'm not really surprise considering the living expenses. I'm curious though as to what jobs students usually do. Is there anyone working part-time in something that they want to continue doing in the future? Most of the part-time jobs i read about seem to be in the food and beverage industry or students teaching part-time.

Anyway, just thought i'd ask while we wait for the results. :-)

menrui

Oct 20, 2008, 14:54

^that first question was also asked by my interview panel and professors. which i could only replied that it is definitely something that i am considering, but of course, its too soon to make any promises. Assuming i get the scholarship, i plan to get a Phd at the same university, then i want to have a career in academic(research/teaching). So working in japan doesnt seem like a bad idea... for now haha.

With a student visa, I dont think you are allowed to work. correct me if i am wrong.

ooilingfan

Oct 20, 2008, 15:51

Menrui and clockworkorange,

As far as i understand, working should be allowed up to 20hours a week. Even for a scholar. For convenience, i think best part-time job would be working as a Research Assistant in your supervisor's lab on other projects. However, the feedbacks from my friends there say that they are just too busy to take on any extra part-time job.

And yes, working in japan upon completion of studies seems like a good idea. But it all depends on the visa. I also remember that MEXT encourage students to RETURN to their respective home countries as stated in the T&C during our application. Anyway, everything is so uncertain now.....and the economy is so bad.
Hopefully come to the worst, they will still take us in, but allow us to do the 6month preparatory course back in M'sia to save some cost. Rather than cutting us out altogether....

clockworkorange

Oct 20, 2008, 19:26

Hey guys,

Both of you are correct i think. If you're a student, you're not allowed to work.

Unless you apply and then they limit the amount of work hours you can put in.

I'm just curious to know what the options were in terms of part-time jobs and if anyone here is in this particular position, maybe that someone could share his or her experiences. ooilingfan, are your friends enjoying themselves? what do they say about the work they're doing? Is it very tough? How do they cope? What is an average day like for them? I don't have any friends in Japan so what i'm trying to do is get as clear a picture of what it would be like there. I've asked these things before but different ppl have different experiences, capabilities and all that. Which is why i ask again.

Menrui, I'm actually thinking of going into academics myself. I dun know yet. It seems interesting but I'm going to see how i enjoy my masters first. :P A career in academics has a certain appeal to me. It seems that i would enjoy it more than a normal office job.

I don't know if i would want to work in Japan. Its a country that's interesting to me but i love my country a lot. It has a LOT of flaws but its where my family and friends are. and i LOVE the food here. If there's one thing Malaysia can be proud about, its the glorious food. Menrui, charles and nall-ohki, one of these days you guys should come down to malaysia to try the food. Its really good!!! unless you erm, dun like spicy stuff and umm...fattening stuff..:P

However, if i get to have an academic career somewhere else, i'd go for it. :P

anyway, the questions were just a matter of conversation. Gives us something to talk about while we wait and worry eh?

ooilingfan

Oct 20, 2008, 20:32

clockwork,

I've got 3 friends in Japan where i still keep in touch now. 1 just went there so i'm not sure of how's her situation in terms of working, neither is she. The other 2, one is too busy with his 'einstein work' in physics lab and the other enjoys a lot of travelling. So none of them are actually working. Seems like the allowance is sufficient for them to live comfortably.
They did mention something about being an RA in the labs. It's more ideal than working in 7-11 or restaurants as you'll get to have more hands on training, more academic exposure plus minimal travelling to and fro university -- workplace.
I think the crucial point they consider when hiring is -- proficiency of the Japanese language.

Anyway, i'm not so keen in working part time. I had enough of working though =p
It's time to really indulge in student life again, not to mention the hell we'll be putting ourselves through the intensive course and preparing for the entrance exam.
Like my friend, i would prefer to travel around japan whenever there's time and experience new things. For once, the ringgit (or yen) chase can rest for a while...

time passes quite fast recently. We've got like, 100 days or less to wait.

For those in Klang Valley and taking japanese course, any good recommendations?
The one i'm taking now is a blood ******. I want to switch. =Þ

Charles Barkley

Oct 20, 2008, 22:50

Its quite easy to get permission to do part time work, so don't worry about not being able to.

If your native language is English, you will have no trouble finding teaching jobs starting at 3000 yen per hour. If you aren't a native english speaker...well, you're a bit out of luck.

I am not working. I have no interest in teaching english and don't really need the money...

ooilingfan

Oct 20, 2008, 23:45

that is good money.
how do they determine whether a person is a native speaker?
Is everyone from malaysia considered a non-native speaker?

menrui

Oct 21, 2008, 00:23

most people from malaysia here seem like a native speaker to me...

kouki

Oct 21, 2008, 00:38

>ooilingfan

Have you tried to contact the JFKL one? It seems to me that they are offering really good Japanese courses. They even have preparatory courses for the JLPT tests. I think their Japanese Language teachers are Japanese.

Or you can try with this JLSM, the Japanese Language Society Malaysia, near Lot 10.

>
One of my prospective professors said that he would prefer me to focus on my studies and research. So he is only looking for MEXT scholars (I guess that's the reason), because they do not face financial problems.

ooilingfan

Oct 21, 2008, 09:12

good point kouki.

and thanks, i'll check out the places.

JapanDream

Oct 21, 2008, 12:12

that is good money.
how do they determine whether a person is a native speaker?
Is everyone from malaysia considered a non-native speaker?

In my opinion, Malaysians in general are non-native English speakers, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t Malaysians who are fluent in English—for example those who are English educated, who went to international schools, who have lived in English speaking countries, etc. I would think that the Japanese government does not consider Malaysians as native English speakers because they make it compulsory for us to sit for the English paper as part of the scholarship application process. My 2 cents. :-)

senseiman

Oct 21, 2008, 15:48

I'm studying in Japan right now on a scholarship.

The materials they give you when you get the scholarship state that as a scholar you are not supposed to work. However, you can apply for a work permit that will allow you to work part-time.

For those of you who are native English speakers you may find professors offering you jobs within days of your arrival as they need people to proof-read articles, books, etc that they are working on. This has been my experience so far anyway (I just got here about 3 weeks ago).

menrui

Oct 22, 2008, 09:12

thanks for the info senseiman. proof-reading haha. seems like an easy job. i admit, i was never good at the english subject but maybe even i can do this.

According to my textbook and japanese teacher, if you are a native speaker, you can get a part time job that is as easy as just having a conversation in english... kind of weird to me because i think you can find an english speaking friend rather easily.

Vyen

Oct 22, 2008, 10:09

Hi...
I think working part time will not be a problem as long as you manage to balance your student life and working life. In my opinion, working part time is a good way for us to practice our Japanese in real life and experience something new. hehe..

lingfan,
Maybe you can consider JLSM as suggested by Kouki. I am also studying Japanese there. Now they got a new syllabus since JLPT wll be changed to 5 level next year. They start to teach Japanese in module classes now, which are cheaper. Maybe you can try to ask the details from JLSM. It is located on the third floor in the same building as the Ship Restaurant and DHL retail.

ooilingfan

Oct 23, 2008, 00:18

Hi Vyen and Kouki,

I've checked JLSM's website. Their courses span for minimum of 6 months per semester, and 2 semesters per year. it's June to June the next year. So i guess it's not so feasible.
Anyway, thanks a lot.

I've downloaded the full set of study materials, similar to those used at some courses. So i think i'll continue by studying on my own. They (the one i'm attending now) charge quite expensive and doesn't cover too much. only 6 chapters per course of 3 months. JLPT 4 requires minimum 25 chapters. And according to my friend, the intensive course that we'll be going through will cover most of the basics within week...it's gonna be really intensive...scary.
Btw,for those in Penang, i took a 3month course at the JLSM in Pulau Tikus bout 10 years ago, it's really good. I still keep the notes and they're really useful. So i recommend that school to fellow candidates from penang (if the school is still there =p).

kouki

Oct 23, 2008, 10:54

ooilingfan,

I think you are referring to the book "Minna no Nihongo". Well, many schools use that book, and I found that most Japanese Language Courses in Malaysian universities use that book.

Don't forget the JFKL (related with the organizer of JLPT test), Mid-Valley there are many books and references. Kinokuniya Bookstore in KLCC as well, they are selling many high standard books. Just have a look there. It is deep inside that bookstore, at level 4.

There is one Japanese language school in Japan, Meguro Language Center, offering really good materials, free on the website. Try search for that.

There are many China's website/forum on Japanese Language as well, they are free also, with the materials, good for listening.

If you like to opt for listening, then you might want to try the NHK radio. In fact, in the MLC website, they are giving quite a number of references for Japanese Language Learning.

Keep up your good work! Good luck!

ooilingfan

Oct 23, 2008, 12:12

Thank you so much guys on your recommendations. It's great info.

by the way kouki,
is JFKL in midvalley?

kimberleylhj

Oct 23, 2008, 13:25

JFKL is at Northpoint, Midvalley to be exact. 18th floor, block B.

JapanDream

Oct 23, 2008, 16:15

Hi Kouki and Kimberley,

JFKL sounds like a good place for Japanese resources. :cool: Have you signed up for the membership? What are benefits of being a member?

kouki

Oct 23, 2008, 19:50

>JapanDream

Sure it is a good place. With the JFKL membership, you can borrow 5 items per week. You will have some discounts on the activities organized by JFKL. You will have a monthly bulletin as well. You will be informed about the latest activities of the JFKL. You can watch DVD, VCD and listen to CD in the library.

kimberleylhj

Oct 23, 2008, 20:37

Yeap, the library is really good

c0ok1e

Oct 23, 2008, 22:08

malaysian can speak english well but i think not consider as native english..SO what kind of part time job can we get?? They dont regard us as native english speaker and we cant speak japanese well to be working in fnb which requires us to speak japanese..help please..

kouki

Oct 24, 2008, 00:23

According to my Japanese friends, Malaysia is an English-speaking country. I am not sure whether I have answered your doubt.
About the part-time job...
160 000 yen should be enough for you to live, provided you are not spending luxuriously (like buying a car or something)... According to my Japanese friend again, the scholarship students are actually living better off many of the students, even the locals... so I don't think money would be a really big problem... especially if you are not studying in the big cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto...
But anyway, according to my lecturer (once was a student in Japan), we can actually teach foreign languages - Chinese and English to the Japanese. So don't worry too much...
Everything will come and solve by their own when the time comes... So be strong-willed and you will be able to solve every problems being encountered. May the force be with you.:-)

ooilingfan

Oct 24, 2008, 00:52

Guys, i think we shouldn't worry too much about the job thingy.
Remember that we've discussed before that the allowance is more than enough.
So for those who wish to earn extra cash, we can just 'shop' around for possible options once we're there. It's hard to guess now on where and what we can do.

My company is talking about a grim 2009, with a possibility of retrenchment and shrinking bonus (maybe none). Kinda starts me worrying again. Some analysts predicted that 2009 and 2010 may be worse than 1997 though still slightly more optimistic than the Great Depression.
Anyway, perhaps we should get ready that things may go ugly in japan. Being world No.2 economy leader, might be taking the hit pretty badly after U.S.. And the worst is still yet to come.
Hopefully Charles and those already in Japan can keep us updated on the situation in Japan. Especially in terms of finances in education and foreign policies.

menrui

Oct 24, 2008, 04:43

I really hate worrying about this...
Well, I'm doing my part by voting haha. But I know that a majority of my state is voting for the other guy, which makes my vote a little obsolete. Oh well. Who ever the next president is, I hope they can get us out of this hole asap.

Charles Barkley

Oct 24, 2008, 08:47

A young person (or anyone with little savings) at university on a scholarship is one of the best positions to be in during a recession.

As long as there isn't serious inflation (which there shouldn't be, because Japan hasn't had a bubble in years and years), you'll be fine. And I highly doubt the scholarships will be cut any time soon. Governments just don't move that fast...

ooilingfan

Oct 24, 2008, 11:13

Charles Barkley

Oct 24, 2008, 21:10

Japanese are efficient.

You have much to learn my friend.

ooilingfan

Oct 24, 2008, 21:45

hahaha,charles, is that sacarstically speaking or what.

c0ok1e

Oct 24, 2008, 22:28

ayumi.tt

Oct 25, 2008, 11:07

DOes recession hit the education sector so bad?? Like if there's recession people cannot afford to go to university??Is there a drop in enrollment because of recession and rise in enrollment when the economy is good?

good question.
but i have to admit that i am worried that they might cut the budget, the number of students for this scholarship will be lesser. pray harder we are not at the bottom of the list.

menrui

Oct 25, 2008, 11:28

I found this at the MEXT website:
http://www.mext.go.jp/english/yosan/001.htm

Its a pie chart of their budget spending if anyone is interesting. im not sure if we are part of "foreign students" or scholarship... Either case, it seems like we're a small part of their annual budget spending. So maybe they will cut budget some where else haha. if they do cut budget that is.

Charles Barkley

Oct 25, 2008, 11:46

Recessions typically mean job losses and lowered salaries. Typically, they also mean low inflation and low return on your investments.

Since job markets are bad, people who would otherwise put off further education to seek better opportunities in the job market will go back to school. Typically, admissions are though to be more competitive during a recession...

About Japanese efficiency: smooth-working products and trains does not necessarily mean "Japan is efficient," yet some people get that image stuck in their heads. Japan has a massive bureaucracy. Cumbersome unnecessary rules can be rigidly adhered to. Decisions can be made very slowly (根回し等). Of course these are all just generalizations, in the same way that "Japan is efficient" is just a generalization. Best not to come over expecting everything to run smoothly...

ooilingfan

Oct 25, 2008, 19:42

Menrui,
That's very interesting information. Seems like scholarship programs contribute only 2.3% of their annual budget, which is fortunately not a very big chunk considering it includes all local and foreign, at all levels of education.

and Cookie,
Yes, recession will affect the education sector. Being in the private education sector myself, we are definitely going to take a hit. As of 1997, we were badly hit and enrolments were down by roughly 5-10%.
But there's a lot of factors to consider. The trend will change. Such as more turning to public education, and those seeking for overseas education will stay back.
So in a way it can be good also, as the 3+0, 4+0 programs in private universities will sell well.
That is in malaysia.
As for japan, perhaps students will also stay back to do their degrees and postgrads rather than going overseas, thus increasing competition into their universities. The ratio of local:foreign students may increase.
My friend in australia is having a bad time looking for part time jobs due to recession and they're reserving jobs for locals.
As for our case, i hope given the amount allocated on sponsorship is not significantly as high as other areas, they won't shrink or scrap it off. Afterall, education is a long term investment and shouldn't be sacrificed like a burden during an economy downturn.