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arahja
Jun 22, 2006, 22:17
Hi, everyone. I have question about battle of Sekigahara. I realized that this motif, and motif of Tokugawa recure in many stories. Can you tell me why this battle is so important? And this battle took place for what? I will be grateful for your help. Forgive me my poor english :bluush:

changedonrequest
Jun 22, 2006, 22:34
Well from my knowledge after the loss by the Toyotomi-clan at Sekigahara, the Tokugawa clan was installed as the leaders of Japan and ushered in the "Edo-jidai" here in Japan.

http://hkuhist2.hku.hk/nakasendo/sekibatl.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sekigahara

Yoshida Shoin
Jun 23, 2006, 03:52
Not exactly. Toyotomi Hideyoshi died leaving an infant son as the head of Japan. He chose the most powerful men in Japan to hold the reins of power until his son could rule the country. Not long after he died, they started infighting. The 2 most influential people to step up were Ieyasu and Ishida Mitsunari. Mitsunari claimed to be fighting for the Toyotomi but I'm sure he would have seized power if he had the chance.
Long story short, a key person turned against Mitsunari in the middle of the battle and Ieysasu won ushering in the Edo Jidai.

The Toyotomi Clan was destroyed 15 years later.

arahja
Jun 23, 2006, 21:25
wow, thx for so quick answers :cool:

changedonrequest
Jun 23, 2006, 21:42
Not exactly. Toyotomi Hideyoshi died leaving an infant son as the head of Japan. He chose the most powerful men in Japan to hold the reins of power until his son could rule the country. Not long after he died, they started infighting. The 2 most influential people to step up were Ieyasu and Ishida Mitsunari. Mitsunari claimed to be fighting for the Toyotomi but I'm sure he would have seized power if he had the chance.
Long story short, a key person turned against Mitsunari in the middle of the battle and Ieysasu won ushering in the Edo Jidai.

The Toyotomi Clan was destroyed 15 years later.

Thanks for the "correction" here. During that time period werent there many daimyo fighting amongst themselves trying to gain power at the time?

Yoshida Shoin
Jun 23, 2006, 23:07
At this particular time, Japan was basically divided into 3 camps. Ieyasu's side, Mitsunari's side and neutral people. Before Hideyoshi came to power the scale of fighting was much larger with several wars between several competing powers at the same time.

GodEmperorLeto
Jun 28, 2006, 13:59
Hi, everyone. I have question about battle of Sekigahara. I realized that this motif, and motif of Tokugawa recure in many stories. Can you tell me why this battle is so important? And this battle took place for what? I will be grateful for your help.
Try to find this book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1855323958/ref=sr_11_1/002-0880241-3753645?ie=UTF8).

The Osprey military history series are really good pieces of work. They are fantastic resources and beautifully illustrated. Although few are by noteworthy scholars, they are still worth taking a look at, and they'll only run you about $15-20 American.

yamada
Aug 22, 2006, 15:23
Hi, everyone. I have question about battle of Sekigahara. I realized that this motif, and motif of Tokugawa recure in many stories. Can you tell me why this battle is so important? And this battle took place for what? I will be grateful for your help. Forgive me my poor english :bluush:

I have an opinion that the importance was defined by historical scholars in the latter half of Edo era. If Edo era were to end within twenty years, Sekigahara battle would never have gotten be so important.