Could somebody explain.................

[changedonrequest]

Over the past couple of days I have lost nearly 50 posts from my post count......

I keep on going up and down like a yo-yo and have begun to think that there must be a glitch in the system here. :angel:

I went to work yesterday with roughly 500 posts here and came home with about 490 something.


I went to work today with over 500 posts and now am down to 473 not including this post.

What's up with that? Is there some kind of "membership" fee that people have to pay to keep their post count above 500.

Could someone tell me what the secret handshake is for me to "keep" my position over 500.

Or...........who's playing games here.:love: :romance: :rose: :giggle: :lol:

Maybe I should quit going to work.

[Carlson]

ive noticed mine go down as well. maybe the forum has an automatic prune system and it deletes old posts

[Mike Cash]

I've noticed that sometimes when I pull up a list of "Today's Posts" it will show a post of mine which is from several days to a week or more old....with "today's" date stamp. When I open the thread to check what is going on, the post shows with the proper date stamp.

What the heck is up with that?

[Mikawa Ossan]

Mike, that's an easy one. It means that someone new has voted on the poll on that thread.

[leonmarino]

Oi! I'm experiencing the same thing!
I posted my 200th post a few days ago and now I have less than 200 posts!?

[Domon]

something similar has happened to me. some of my posts just havent registered on my post count.

[Mike Cash]

Mike, that's an easy one. It means that someone new has voted on the poll on that thread.

So when someone else votes but doesn't post, it shows my post as the last one, but with the time stamp of the vote?

[Elizabeth]

Over the past couple of days I have lost nearly 50 posts from my post count......
I keep on going up and down like a yo-yo and have begun to think that there must be a glitch in the system here. :angel:
I went to work yesterday with roughly 500 posts here and came home with about 490 something.
I went to work today with over 500 posts and now am down to 473 not including this post.
What's up with that? Is there some kind of "membership" fee that people have to pay to keep their post count above 500.
Could someone tell me what the secret handshake is for me to "keep" my position over 500.
Or...........who's playing games here.:love: :romance: :rose: :giggle: :lol:
Maybe I should quit going to work.
Maybe it has something to do with the deleted threads ? Or JREF members being taken off Eupedia rolls ? I'm still wondering why I was banned from Eupedia...:p :okashii:

[ArmandV]

I also noticed my count went down a bit. Gremlins, I guess.

[Mikawa Ossan]

So when someone else votes but doesn't post, it shows my post as the last one, but with the time stamp of the vote?
That's exactly the way I understand it. Try it yourself. Vote on some random poll without posting, and see what happens.

[Kinsao]

Mike, that's an easy one. It means that someone new has voted on the poll on that thread.
I'd been wondering about that, too! I thought it was just a gremlin, but now it makes sense.

[nice gaijin]

the old threads with polls in them are easily explained, and that some of your posts don't register in your post count because some of the sub-forums (like chit-chat) are set up that way.

I can't think of a good reason why your post count would actually drop.

[RockLee]

It went down even more, I guess some of your posts got deleted (by deleting a thread where you posted in for example) :)

[changedonrequest]

It went down even more, I guess some of your posts got deleted (by deleting a thread where you posted in for example) :)

Yup it went down more....now pray tell WHY are they deleting threads and individual posts?

[ArmandV]

Yup it went down more....now pray tell WHY are they deleting threads and individual posts?


Recover bandwith, maybe?

I didn't know that post counts drop if threads are deleted. Ya learn something new every day.

[Uncle Frank]

Seems a LOT of rep points disapeared and their coments with them?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????

Uncle Frank




:okashii: :? :auch: :sick: :angryfire :sleep: :bikkuri: :shock: :eek: :mad: :clueless: :worried: :bawling: :(

[changedonrequest]

Recover bandwith, maybe?

I didn't know that post counts drop if threads are deleted. Ya learn something new every day.

You would think however that if there was any attempt to recover bandwith they would prune through the archives first and not from recent, as in the past year, posts that are still revalent to current discussions.

Heck I've only been posting here since February of this year and I have lost something in the neighborhood of 60 or so posts in the past 3 days alone.

[nice gaijin]

pruning for bandwidth's sake is a ridiculous excuse. I hope that's just speculation.

[Uncle Frank]

when the dealer has loaded dice, he can roll them anyway he sees fit. Dealer likes you, you get by; dealer dislikes you , you get cheated. Anyone who's been here on JREF for long, knows the dice are HEAVENLY loaded.

Frank

:okashii:

[changedonrequest]

when the dealer has loaded dice, he can roll them anyway he sees fit. Dealer likes you, you get by; dealer dislikes you , you get cheated. Anyone who's been here on JREF for long, knows the dice are HEAVENLY loaded.

Frank

:okashii:

Even the slickest dealer in the world wouldn't bite the hand that feeds them now would they?

[Gaijinian]

What does that mean, Hachiro?
どういう意味なのかねぇ～
深すぎｗ

[changedonrequest]

What does that mean, Hachiro?
どういう意味なのかねぇ〜
深すぎｗ

It means that as Frank is a donator here on JRef, one would think that as a donator people wouldn't play games with their posts or reputation count without at the minimum PM'ing them or notifying them that some action was being taken against them for whatever reason.

Donators as you may know are the people that help(ed) support this site and have different benefits or priviledges that "average" members do not.

[Glenn]

pruning for bandwidth's sake is a ridiculous excuse. I hope that's just speculation.
Let me lay this one to rest right here and now, and I hope to god that everyone reads and comprehends this (not a remark towards you; I've seen people run with speculation even after it was disproven).


This is not the case

[changedonrequest]

Let me lay this one to rest right here and now, and I hope to god that everyone reads and comprehends this (not a remark towards you; I've seen people run with speculation even after it was disproven).


This is not the case

Ok I got it :wave: , could you then tell me what the reason is that recent posts by numerous members have gone missing and post counts lowered?

[Glenn]

All that I can figure is that you had posted in threads that were deleted. I only know of one such thread right now, and that one is that "Goodbye Eupedia" thread. Other than that I can't help you too much at the moment.

[changedonrequest]

All that I can figure is that you had posted in threads that were deleted. I only know of one such thread right now, and that one is that "Goodbye Eupedia" thread. Other than that I can't help you too much at the moment.

Thanks for checking it out, I appreciate it. I dont remember posting on the Goodbye Europedia thread, I could have though, thanks anyway.

Oh I do know that I have lost nearly 60 to 70 posts total in the course of about 3 days.

[RockLee]

It seems 20+ posts have been added back to your account today again? I'm starting to lose my mind here :mad:

[Uncle Frank]

the rep points that disappeared involve members on the "enemies of the state" list. Guess they were micro-managed under admin's microscope that spots any dissent and quashes it?

Frank

:okashii:

[Gaijinian]

It means that as Frank is a donator here on JRef, one would think that as a donator people wouldn't play games with their posts or reputation count without at the minimum PM'ing them or notifying them that some action was being taken against them for whatever reason.

Donators as you may know are the people that help(ed) support this site and have different benefits or priviledges that "average" members do not.
AH. I see now.:cool:
Interesting point...

[changedonrequest]

Well things are going to be OK today.:wave:.

Fresh start, not missing anything.......

[ArmandV]

When you get down to it, what does it matter what your post count is? Maciamo or Thomas aren't going to mail you a gift certificate anyway.

[changedonrequest]

When you get down to it, what does it matter what your post count is? Maciamo or Thomas aren't going to mail you a gift certificate anyway.

True, true, so are you saying that if this was happening to you, you wouldn't give a damn about it or it wouldn't bother you at all?

[ArmandV]

True, true, so are you saying that if this was happening to you, you wouldn't give a damn about it or it wouldn't bother you at all?

It is happening to me, so I mentioned it. But in the long run, what difference does it make?

Even if I get the "missing" posts restored, I still have to fight traffic on the way home from work. No, it doesn't bother me. But it could be a glitch in the system that may concern the administrators.

[changedonrequest]

It is happening to me, so I mentioned it. But in the long run, what difference does it make?

Even if I get the "missing" posts restored, I still have to fight traffic on the way home from work. No, it doesn't bother me. But it could be a glitch in the system that may concern the administrators.

I often see the administrators logged in here, and if the possiblity existed that it was a system glitch and not a human glitch I would think that since this thread is posted under Site Feedback/Admin Contact they would make a reply to let people know.

You are right that in the big picture it means little, actually nothing, same as posting on this message board.

[Mikawa Ossan]

You are right that in the big picture it means little, actually nothing, same as posting on this message board.
So many problems stem from people taking themselves and Jref too seriously. Sit back and relax! We have enough stress in our lives as it is without needlessly adding to it!:wave:

[changedonrequest]

So many problems stem from people taking themselves and Jref too seriously. Sit back and relax! We have enough stress in our lives as it is without needlessly adding to it!:wave:

You are quite right....here fantasy becomes reality for some and then forgotten in the rush of power is that there are "real" people behind all those little screens.

As I take a deep breath....in...out....in....out....in......

[RockLee]

All I can say is that we're all just human, and we ain't perfect. If you don't agree with someone, you shouldn't let the whole world know about it. I think mikawa hit the nail on the head ;-)

[changedonrequest]

All I can say is that we're all just human, and we ain't perfect. If you don't agree with someone, you shouldn't let the whole world know about it. I think mikawa hit the nail on the head ;-)

Oh I agree with Mikawa and what he wrote, and I agree that we are all human.

And what is even more human is the ability to admit honestly when one has made an error or mistake, that goes for everyone no exceptions.:redface: ;-)

It is also a part of human nature to be forgiving in many instances as well.

[kirei_na_me]

So many problems stem from people taking themselves and Jref too seriously. Sit back and relax! We have enough stress in our lives as it is without needlessly adding to it!:wave:

Agree wholeheartedly! :bravo:

[changedonrequest]

NEXT QUESTION......

That was Thomas' mistake. He shouldn't have done that. People who don't want to participate on Eupedia anymore but have posted there before should be banned, otherwise it creates problems with the database, as with your old posts and Mike Cash's old posts. Thomas didn't even consult me before doing this, although he does not take care of Eupedia otherwise. Talk about one-way decision ! Unlike splitting or deleting threads, deleting members from the database is irreversible, and it does compromise whole threads.

That is a quote from the following thread;
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25037&page=3

My question is this; Can anyone here explain the differences in responsiblities between the 2 administrators here? From reading this post one could get the impression that Europedia is Maciamo's domain?!

Is that correct?

If the Europedia forum is Maciamo's domain is the Japan Reference Forum Thomas's domain?


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[RockLee]

Erm...no. Eupedia is solely handled by Maciamo,Jref by Maciamo too. Thomas is the technical manager so to speak. He doesn't moderate :)

[thomas]

And RockLee seems to know best about each admins' tasks. Much appreciated, thanks for the reminder. Therefore, I am technical manager - so to speak - and do not moderate. :)

[Uncle Frank]

And RockLee seems to know best about each admins' tasks. Much appreciated, thanks for the reminder. Therefore, I am technical manager - so to speak - and do not moderate. :)

And hopefully will not be overthrown anytime in the near future; LONG LIVE THE KING !!

Uncle Frank

:blush:

[changedonrequest]

Thanks for the replies guys. It only clears things up a tiny bit, but a least on piece of the puzzle fit home. Thank you:-)

[kirei_na_me]

And RockLee seems to know best about each admins' tasks. Much appreciated, thanks for the reminder. Therefore, I am technical manager - so to speak - and do not moderate. :)

No, no. "Father knows best". And we all know who the father is. Not to be confused with the Holy Father, though...

[ArmandV]

No, no. "Father knows best".


Robert Young? But he's dead.

[Uncle Frank]

BUT, the creator of this piece of heaven on earth(JREF) is alive & well and still our savior. May he watch over us forever!

Uncle Frank

:blush:

[Maciamo]

BUT, the creator of this piece of heaven on earth(JREF) is alive & well and still our savior. May he watch over us forever!
Uncle Frank
:blush:
I wish that you would ackowledge me as co-creator of the "new JREF" (since 2004) most of what you see in the forum (categories, subforums, design, avatars, smileys, new flags...), gallery (categories, pictures...) and site content (travel guide, etc.) was actually created in great part by myself. Even JREF's logo, main index page and headers are my work, not Thomas'. But it is true that there wouldn't be a JREF without Thomas' hard work at taking care of the server and other technical issues (e.g. forum hacks...). In other words, there would be no JREF as it is now without either of us.

[changedonrequest]

Ok folks it's time for a group hug here..............http://www.xcomufo.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/MakeOut.gif.

[Elizabeth]

I wish that you would ackowledge me as co-creator of the "new JREF" (since 2004) most of what you see in the forum (categories, subforums, design, avatars, smileys, new flags...), gallery (categories, pictures...) and site content (travel guide, etc.) was actually created in great part by myself. Even JREF's logo, main index page and headers are my work, not Thomas'. But it is true that there wouldn't be a JREF without Thomas' hard work at taking care of the server and other technical issues (e.g. forum hacks...). In other words, there would be no JREF as it is now without either of us.
I have no problem acknowledging credit where it is deserved. The issue, though, is that these site design features and 'reference' articles are not what keep old and loyal members returning as much as these endless confrontations are driving everyone away....:(

[kirei_na_me]

Exactly, Elizabeth. The confrontations are getting too much. That's why I don't even bother reading most threads anymore. It seems there is unrest on every single one. I get sick and tired of the constant bickering and ego contests. It's highly annoying. Who wants to be part of that?

Oh, and just to clarify: I am not talking about Maciamo alone. I'm talking about several members who have done nothing to remedy the situations, even contributing to the conflicts and seemingly encouraging them.

[Maciamo]

I get sick and tired of the constant bickering and ego contests. It's highly annoying.

What I said is not about "ego contest", just about basic recognition. A few members here have a black and white vision, seeing Thomas as the "good admin" because he lets them do anything they want, never criticise them and never warn them for their abusive behaviour, then me as the "bad admin" because I do my part of moderation job as an admin (for two !). It's easy to be the nice guy and turn a blind eye on everything so as to avoid be personally implicated. It's much harder to actually moderate a forum as big and diverse in its membership as this one.

Kirei_na_me, I am as sick and tired as you, but for different reasons. I try much harder to keep the forum alive and keep up with my moderation responsibilities, I contributed as much to JREF as Thomas, and all I get is people like Frank seeing me as "under Thomas", as "not being a creator of JREF" and as being the bad admin for taking my responsibilities seriously. All this because I have criticsed his country's government 2 years ago and he cannot tolerate that (as he admitted here (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14986)). I have a good intuition about people. No need to word things out for me to read your mind. It's obvious enough through insinuations and behaviour.

Oh, and just to clarify: I am not talking about Maciamo alone. I'm talking about several members who have done nothing to remedy the situations, even contributing to the conflicts and seemingly encouraging them.
And isn't Elizabeth one of them (and a prominant one, with that) ?

[Elizabeth]

And isn't Elizabeth one of them (and a prominant one, with that) ?
Personally I think it's best to let the situation evolve incrementally from here. I've tried very hard to get to the root of the conflict and encourage open discussion without inflamatory rhetoric but it is pretty wearisome for everyone I think.

[DoctorP]

Maciamo you are not seen as the "bad" admin! I can attest to that, I understand what you have done for JREF, but there was no need for you to toot your horn here, you do that enough by adding tag lines everywhere telling people that this section was created by Maciamo, or that this section is administrated by Maciamo, or this artile was written by Maciamo.

With the exeption of the articles, I see no need to attach your name to everything you do.

I for one do not see you as the "bad admin", but I do think that you are incapable of acting as an admin/moderator and a poster. You can not detach yourself from your feelings to be able to moderate fairly. Once you choose to post in a thread (as a poster) you should allow that thread to be moderated by someone else.

I operate 3 of my own forums, and moderate on another. The minute you get sucked into the discussion it becomes difficult for you to moderate it effectively. That is one reason I have found it best to not put mods over sections that they particularly enjoy posting in. If you love political or religious discussion, I would probably have you oversee the cooking section. The reason for this is that you can still partake in discussion in the things that you like and you don't have to remain objective. Someone else is there to moderate the discussion. Would you have two Presidential candidates in a public forum and have one of them as the moderator? No, you have a third party do it for you.

You love to join the discussions, which I have no problem with, but you must be able to detach from your personal feelings and your moderator duties in order to be successful. You have to realize that you have a moderator team, allow them to do their jobs, and you can sit back and enjoy the discussions. You will always have the admin "tag" by your name, and can step in where needed, but you seriously need to take a back seat at times.

[RockLee]

I have a feeling we are getting closer to a solution. Time for everone to sit back and relax! And if possible improve Jref so more Japanese people join (or haven't you noticed the increasing Japanese posters in the last few months). It's always nice to have natives tell about how they see things about Japan.

[Maciamo]

You can not detach yourself from your feelings to be able to moderate fairly. Once you choose to post in a thread (as a poster) you should allow that thread to be moderated by someone else.

I operate 3 of my own forums, and moderate on another. The minute you get sucked into the discussion it becomes difficult for you to moderate it effectively.

I admit that there is some truth in this. However, most of the time moderators are reluctant to intervene in my threads or when I am in a 'too heated' discussion with someone. I think/feel that Thomas would be the most suitable person to intervene, but as he normally refuses to moderate (even when I request it from him), the situation easily turns sour. It can be quite hard to be attacked (not just criticised), especially by several people at the same time, and not being able to moderate as I am personally involved, not being able to use my admin power (e.g. close the thread) without being criticised more, and having no one to help ! It's so much easier to moderate other people's discussions.

Thomas's view is that an admin shouldn't participate in controversial discussions so as to avoid being in my situation. The problem is that very often I do not expect a thread to be "heated" when I start it. Problems only occur when things unfold differently from expected !

[DoctorP]

Perhaps you need a couple of more mods? People who are capable of being online more often?

I am glad that you are able to admit it though...for a while there it seemed as though you saw no problem with your actions, only problems with everyone else.

Now that you know what the problem is...work it for a solution.

[nurizeko]

Maybe asking some of the more responsible/mature regulars if they wish to become moderators will give an injection to the pool of moderators at your disposal, Maciamo?.

I agree with CC1 that its a good idea to have other moderators for the sub-forums your more involved in actively posting and participating in.

Also CC1, linkies to your forums please (out of a random momment of interest).

[Elizabeth]

Thomas's view is that an admin shouldn't participate in controversial discussions so as to avoid being in my situation. The problem is that very often I do not expect a thread to be "heated" when I start it. Problems only occur when things unfold differently from expected !
Yeah, since it seems yours usually do, any step to de-escalate the situation when it gets headed in that direction (besides premature locking) would be very productive. :)

[DoctorP]

Nurizeko...my forums are mostly trade forums (electricians, plumbers, etc...) areas for professionals to trade ideas and information. They are quite boring to the people who are not in those fields of work. I prefer not to post them here. I tend not to mingle business with pleasure and by posting them here, I would be doing just that.

I am currently working on another idea for a forum and once it is up and running I will probably post it here (it will be related to the topic of Japan). Not sure if I will get it off the ground though.

[Uncle Frank]

I'm talking about several members who have done nothing to remedy the situations, even contributing to the conflicts and seemingly encouraging them.

Sorry, time to go to the corner for a time out.

Uncle Frank

:(

[changedonrequest]

Originally Posted by Maciamo
And isn't Elizabeth one of them (and a prominant one, with that) ?


Personally I think it's best to let the situation evolve incrementally from here. I've tried very hard to get to the root of the conflict and encourage open discussion without inflamatory rhetoric but it is pretty wearisome for everyone I think.

Couple of points here, Maciamo 1st...

I think that one reason that myself and others get our noses bent out of joint is that there are many times that you throw an unecessary comment directed towards one individual poster in a post that has quite a bit of pertinent or "quality" information.

What ever you may think or say about me I don't dislike you at all. I have been trying to point out the same things that others have written here on any number of different occasions, pull out of moderating on threads that you post on, let others handle them, don't make threads or posts combining your poster face and admin face together. Keep them separate. I suggested this to you nearly 2 months ago, and have repeated it often.

I suggested this before and I would suggest it again, let your members here that have both the experience, attitude and ability to deal with moderating on the Japanese forums help you out.

Yeah, since it seems yours usually do, any step to de-escalate the situation when it gets headed in that direction (besides premature locking) would be very productive. :)

I would add that just because a thread gets locked doesnt means that it has to stay that way. Give it a chance and the members a chance to cool off, a cool down period, a week 10 days, whatever, if people feel that passionitely about the subject they will come back to it. Leave a note on the thread explaining things.

Big thing here too don't patronize the membership.

However, most of the time moderators are reluctant to intervene in my threads or when I am in a 'too heated' discussion with someone

Your honesty here is refreshing, now that you know what the difficulty is you can find a solution. Let your people/team know that they can moderate you when you are acting as a poster, without fear of any reprisal's or commentary from you. Everyone knows you are admin.

I would strongly suggest that when you act as an Admin you do it invisibly, when you moderate do it sensibly, but let people know you are acting as a moderator only.

How about setting up a different user account for yourself when you are posting as a user? Heck you are Admin it should be pretty easy to do. Then it would be obvious to everyone and all which position you were acting as.

Good to see the discussion turning positive here.

[kirei_na_me]

I see we're making some headway, yay! :bravo:

Maciamo, I think you're a great admin. I always have. I thought you knew that. It's just that I wish everyone could back off when backing off is, I think, necessary. There are worse ones than you!!