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P Dog
Sep 28, 2006, 14:41
Hi, Ifm new here, and Ifm trying to identify a big old plate I got recently. I think it is a Satsuma plate (or dish). Can anyone translate this chop mark for me? Thank you very much in advance.
Paul
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/dogdream/japandishname.jpg

JimmySeal
Sep 28, 2006, 14:58
The seal says ‹ã’J‹ÑŽR (Kutani Kinzan). I believe that Kutani is a certain style of porcelain ware, and Kinzan is the name of the Kutani kiln that it came from:
http://www.gbouvier.com/list_kiln.htm

P Dog
Sep 28, 2006, 16:14
Thank you very much for the information. Apparently that means it is not Satsuma style. I can't find any relevant info on Nishikiyama. Anyway, it's a big plate/dish/charger, 14 inches (36cm) in diameter. Here's a picture, in case anyone can tell me anything about it.
Also, I will include a scan of the writing on the box, which hopefully will indicate something about the age of the piece.
Thanks again,
Paul
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/dogdream/dish.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/dogdream/box.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/dogdream/box001.jpg

undrentide
Sep 28, 2006, 17:55
I'm not a specialist or knowledgeable about porcelain, but as far as checking with internet, what JimmySeal san explained is all about it.

‹ÑŽR (most likely it is pronounced kinzan, not nishikiyama though I'm not 100% sure) is a name of ‹ã’JÄ kutaniyaki (kutani porcelain) workshops - workshop is usually called —q (kama/kilm) or —qŒ³ (kamamoto - sometimes people from the workshp is also called kamamoto).

‹ÑŽR—q was founded by ¯ì in Meiji 39 (1906), which was succeeded by ´ˆê.
‹g“c”ü“ (yoshida minori 1932~) is the 3rd and current ‹ÑŽR.
He succeeded the kiln in 1951, and is now a "national important intangible cultural heritage".

There are three artists including ‹g“c”ü“ at ‹ã’J‹ÑŽR - ‹g“c”ü“, ‹g“cK‰›, ‹g“c‚é‚Ý‚±. It seems that the works by individual (his original) is marked ‹ã’J”ü“ while traditional works of the kiln is marked ‹ã’J‹ÑŽR.

Your plate is marked ‹ã’J‹ÑŽR and the box also does not show whose work it is, it just indiates the plate is from ‹ÑŽR—q. It could be by ‹g“c”ü“, but again I'm not sure...

About ‹ÑŽR—q
http://store.yahoo.co.jp/hokusando/a1dac1f7ce60.html
http://www.tougei-motoko.com/articles/YM/index.php

Works by ‹g“c”ü“
http://www.kutani.co.jp/shouhin/sakka/minori/774-12.php
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/takeyu/ku_d-301/

Marking of Kutani porcelain (see 25 and 26)
http://www.gbouvier.com/Seal/s_list_kaku.htm

I hope someone who really knows about Kutani will tell you more about it and give you accurate information. :relief:

P Dog
Sep 29, 2006, 04:11
Hi undrentide,
Thank you for all of your help. So much detail. I appreciate it very much!
Paul