What is a profile infraction?

[DoctorP]

I only ask because I received one. I do not see anything wrong with my profile. Could someone please explain? I asked the person who gave it to me, but they refuse to answer.

[Uncle Frank]

Maybe it has something to do with the large erect penis your avatar is holding up ???
Uncle Frank
:blush: :p :okashii:
PS - Is chat ready to go yet ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????

[DoctorP]

So it's penis envy then?

[Mike Cash]

Or something equally irrational.

[Glenn]

I believe that's the "it doesn't fall under any other category so I'll pick one that has the amount of points I think you should be penalized for what you did" category. Sorry I couldn't make that more concise.

P.S. I've been trying to adhere to the "one space after all punctuation rule" lately. It's working out pretty well so far, I think.

[Maciamo]

This has nothing to do with your profile. It is when an admin or mod give you an infraction by clicking first on your name (accessding your profile), then clicking on "give infraction" rather than on "give infraction" directly from the problematic post.

[sabro]

Hey Mike Cash! Glad to see you are back!

CC1- it's like a reputation point for having the wrong opinion. It is a way for admins and mods to say "I disagree with you" in a special and clever manner.
Welcome to the club!

[Mikawa Ossan]

Sabro, be careful! You're walking on a razor's edge there!

CC1, what did you do to "deserve" an infraction, if I may ask?

[DoctorP]

Sabro, be careful! You're walking on a razor's edge there!
CC1, what did you do to "deserve" an infraction, if I may ask?


Let's see...first I pointed out the obvious...in hopes that someone would go back and correct their improper English.

Then I posted in a thread that I obviously wasn't welcome in...even though the post in question was relevent to the thread. Although now you can not confirm that since the post was deleted.

[Mikawa Ossan]

Wow. Sounds like they let you off easy this time!

[Glenn]

The infractions have been removed, by the way.

[DoctorP]

The points were indeed removed. However the infraction listings remain and are there for me to view. In that respect the infractions are still there.

[Glenn]

That's true, but I didn't realize that just anyone could see them.

[DoctorP]

Maybe not. :relief: :blush:

[Mikawa Ossan]

Really? I couldn't see it. Maybe I was just looking at the wrong place...

[DoctorP]

I stand corrected...it is not visible to everyone. Sorry about that Glenn. (let it be known that some people here can say that they are sorry when they are wrong!)

[Glenn]

Either way it's news to me. No need to apologize for it.

[dulac]

I have no qualms getting an infraction, considering that it seems based on someone's whim, and hence meaningless (unless, of course, you fall in one of Kohlberg's Pre-conventional levels).

That said, I wonder when the admin went downhill. I kinda liked it when Maciamo was more active, but I guess it can't be helped now...

Let's see...first I pointed out the obvious...in hopes that someone would go back and correct their improper English.

Then I posted in a thread that I obviously wasn't welcome in...even though the post in question was relevent to the thread. Although now you can not confirm that since the post was deleted.

That's horrible! Me, whether or not I merited an infraction, given the overall barbaric atmosphere given by some of the other members, that doesn't mean anything, as I said before... Consistency doesn't exactly have a strong place in this forum, at least it looks that way with the admins.

[Mike Cash]

Consistency doesn't exactly have a strong place in this forum, at least it looks that way with the admins.

You must be possessed of an astounding degree of perspicacity to have independently noticed that on short acquaintance. My hat is off to you, sir.

[Elizabeth]

That said, I wonder when the admin went downhill. I kinda liked it when Maciamo was more active, but I guess it can't be helped now...

It isn't a question really of Maciamo being more active or not, assuming he is not the admin in question, but with the vagueness of the rules and lack of accountability or oversight.

This is the first I've heard of an infraction system, though. If it is intended as an early warning system that is definately an improvement on hasty or unpremeditated bannings.

[Dutch Baka]

Mods, and Admins, help me out, my English isn't perfect; That's plural isn't, not singular.

If you want to say something about this forums team members say the name, and complain, or keep it singular, but don't say Admins instead of admin because there are 3 admins in here, and you guys are talking about 1 of them, not all 3.

Then the Mods, and advisors (who have the same power as mods) that are 13 persons.

So don't come with AdminS and modS. Because A lot of this guys are trying to keep this forum happy for everyone.

Sorry just needed to say this.

[Mike Cash]

So don't come with AdminS and modS. Because A lot of this guys are trying to keep this forum happy for everyone.

Sorry just needed to say this.

You are quite right, of course.

Are you familiar with the English expression about "it only takes one bad apple to ruin a barrel"?

[sabro]

Sabro, be careful! You're walking on a razor's edge there!
CC1, what did you do to "deserve" an infraction, if I may ask? I am entirely cautious. I deserve my infractions! So does Senseiman, CC1, and Mike Cash. We are all mere pygmies in the shadows of giants! (Sabro is no longer really here... merely his corporial remains animated in a goulish charade... typing away.) J-Pop rules! Happy happy, joy joy and all is harmonius and non-confrontational. All opinions must be grey and atheistic. Long live unrestricted administration and moderation! Drive away the godly infidels who proclaim diverse ideas! All come into the oneness of mutual agreement!

[Mike Cash]

Goodness, I picked up two infractions in this thread!

[Elizabeth]

Mods, and Admins, help me out, my English isn't perfect; That's plural isn't, not singular.
If you want to say something about this forums team members say the name, and complain, or keep it singular, but don't say Admins instead of admin because there are 3 admins in here, and you guys are talking about 1 of them, not all
Huh ? Twisted is still involved ? Aren't there only 2 now ? If this doesn't get me an infraction, I give up. :eek: :p

[Dutch Baka]

Huh ? Twisted is still involved ? Aren't there only 2 now ? If this doesn't get me an infraction, I give up. :eek: :p

Sorry my mistake...:relief:

I missed this part... What have happened to Twisted??:souka:

[Seon-a Kim]

This has nothing to do with your profile. It is when an admin or mod give you an infraction by clicking first on your name (accessding your profile), then clicking on "give infraction" rather than on "give infraction" directly from the problematic post.
So uhmmm...these doesn't need to be taken serious then these infractions? :p

[Glenn]

Sorry my mistake...:relief:

I missed this part... What have happened to Twisted??:souka:


I believe he's pretty busy with his baby and all. At least that's what he told us last time, right?

[Mike Cash]

So uhmmm...these doesn't need to be taken serious then these infractions? :p
It all depends if the person who gave them out was in a childish snit at the moment or not.

[miki78]

I got an infraction for trying to help the forum

I'm not really peeved about it cos i know i went about it the wrong way

But i thought an infraction for trying to help was a bit rough

I wont be doing anything to help this forum out in the near future i feel unapreshiated and hurt

The funny thing is i did what i did to prevent other members from getting hurt

When i realised i had posted in so many threads i felt terrible but thought its OK i will just report my own post and ask the posts to be deleted

I expected one of the Mods and Admins to say hey look thanks but you kinda bloopered blah blah blah

Not an infraction when i looked in my profile i was amazed

So much for community

Guess what i try and help and i'm the bad guy

i just wanted to get it off my chest how i felt insulted

[jeisan]

hey look thanks but you kinda bloopered. i wouldnt worry about it too much miki, yours was a warning. besides other members have done the same thing before.

[miki78]

^^ i'm not mad over it just upset

I just thought it was rotten being punished for trying to help

lol i did blooper

Thankyou for being understanding that i was just trying to protect the forum and its members

I'll get over it ^^

I guess in a way it was like chasing the criminal instead of calling the cops ^^

I didn't mind you know someone saying hey next time dial 999

It's just the infraction was like well getting branded

But it doesn't matter water under the bridge ^^

[Uncle Frank]

My first week, I got in trouble for using an avatar that showed my gun, badge, and handcuffs from my police days. It seems at that time a "GUN" picture was not "family orientated" and I had to remove it. If you stay on JREF long enough, you get "nailed" for something. I guess it shows someone is paying attention to you at least. The old saying "Don't let the bastards grind you down" seems to apply here if you want to stick around a while. Try and remember the "pleasant" moments and forget the unpleasant ones, hopefully they will be few and far between.

Uncle Frank

:-)

[Kinsao]

O___O woah Miki, that's harsh! *pats* :o It might've been kinda... well, a blooper as you so poetically put it, but anyone with half a brain could see you were only trying to help. A friendly pm saying "hold your horses, we go about things differently here" could have done the trick imo.

Frank, I fully expect you to get an infraction for using an avatar that glamorises pedophilia. :wary: :D :D

I'll probably get one now for this post... O_O... *looks around shiftily* :buuh:

[miki78]

^^ Thanks Uncle Frank Thanks Kinsao^^

It just really upset me that i would be punished for trying to help even if i did blooper

i have a lot of fun on this forum and have made friends i guess that is why i was so feroucious in protecting it ^^

[Uncle Frank]

Frank, I fully expect you to get an infraction for using an avatar that glamorises pedophilia. :wary: :D :D

:buuh:

With chat being down, I have been spending my time collecting more animated avatars. Trying to hit the 2000 mark with my collection. I have about 50 XXX rated ones I will use when I decide to get banned. If I post them fast enough, I'll get all 50 up before they hit the "ban for life" button, LOL.

Uncle Frank

:blush:

[DoctorP]

miki...no offense, but when the idea was proposed to post as many times as you could to push offensive posts out of the window, it was a poorly thought idea. The bad posts will still show when you search new posts.

I personally was really put off when I saw all of your posts yesterday. It doesn't make the bad ones disappear...only the mods and admins can do that!

[miki78]

When the idea was thought up it was i thought a comunity thing but i got lumped

Still i took it upon my self so it is my fault

*sigh* I wont do it again i wouldn't

I'm not offended just confused to some hostilty i have encountered perticuly in private message

I feel like i was the one posting all the nasty stuff

I'm actully kinda speechless which is a big thing for me

Again i apologize for any incoveneonce or offence i coursed to anybody i know i was a pain in the butt

This is all kinda throuth the looking glass for me

I really just wanna forget about it now ^^

[JimmySeal]

miki...no offense, but when the idea was proposed to post as many times as you could to push offensive posts out of the window, it was a poorly thought idea. The bad posts will still show when you search new posts.

I don't even look at specific forums, just the new posts, so a whole bunch of blank posts just would have given me an extra page-full of threads to distract me from the actual ones.

[Mikawa Ossan]

In miki's defense, there was a thread recently, started by Mars Man, I believe, in which miki's strategy for dealing with spammers was encouraged and I think agreed upon by several JREFers. So it's not just her.

I think it would have been better to actually reply to the threads, though, rather than just declare that someone bad is online. It's not so much the number of posts you made, miki, it's the fact that they didn't add to the threads you posted in. Many people look forward to reading new posts and see what others have to say in the topics that interest them. When they open a thread to find that the lastest post is not even marginally related to the topic, some of them get a little peeved.

Don't worry about it too much. Chalk it up as a learning experience. Next time you can look for a different to deal with spammers. Personally, I reported one of the bad threads, and then notified a staff member who I just happened to notice was online elsewhere.

[miki78]

Yea i reported it twice hmmm ^^ actully i now have an intrest in vegetarion Sushi so it wasn't all bad and baseball

I wasn't thinking about anything else this mourning than trying to help

I understand how people feel and now feel worse coz i think i disapointed them

It's just i can't help but feel peeved at the fact that i was trying to help and people are angry at me

It just seems it is OK for some guy to post threads about rape and beheading which he posted inside many of the exsisting threads and no one bats an eyelid

But i get poked with devil forks

I'm afraid all this has been a bitter and disapointing learning exsperionce

And i don't see the need for hostile PM's either that is just nasty and selfish

But i was in the wrong and for that i'm very sorry

thanks everybody who has been understanding ^^

But on an upote i'm gonna look for Vege sushi recipe books lol

[ArmandV]

I also acted to shove the offensive posts down the other day after sending a "bad post" message to the mods. But I didn't get an infraction. I noticed that the posts I made were deleted.

Miki, you got an infraction for trying to help?! I would expect a "thank-you" would have been more appropriate.

miki...no offense, but when the idea was proposed to post as many times as you could to push offensive posts out of the window, it was a poorly thought idea. The bad posts will still show when you search new posts.


It is not her fault, I seem to recall a moderator making the suggestion. So much for teamwork.

I guess in the future we'll just have to ignore the smutty material and let the moderators deal with it in their own way.

[miki78]

^^ Thankyou very much :bow:

[DoctorP]

Armand it wasn't a moderator, I believe it was MarsMan. I'm not upset that she did it, nor do I think she deserved an infraction (even though her posts were spam). I just don't see where the actions make anything better. The offending posts are still there, and actually by posting in the same thread, they are still highly visable.

If anything, she should have posted in different threads, but the offensive posts would have still shown up on a recent post search.

[RockLee]

The infraction was not really appropriate, it didn't stack any points though...but anyways...

[Mike Cash]

The old saying "Don't let the bastards grind you down" seems to apply here if you want to stick around a while.

I like to say, "Don't allow yourself to be defined by the smallness of others."

Miki's situation reminds me of one of those cute humorous office signs I saw saw a few years ago. The caption under the picture said, "When you're up to your a$$ in alligators it's hard to remember you came to clean out the swamp."

[Nicky]

I too attempted to bump the offending threads off the front page(by posting in different threads). I did not recieve an infraction. But I also tried to make make my posts relevant to the thread I was bumping as opposed to just saying "I'm just bumping this cause there's a bad person online.". And I also gave up after awhile and just used the report feature because it was clear after 2 or 3 attempts the whole bumping thing wasn't going to work. :sick:

Still, I don't think Miki should have recieved an infraction.

[Maciamo]

Miki, you got an infraction for trying to help?! I would expect a "thank-you" would have been more appropriate.


Miki posted more than 10x the same message in threads that had nothing to do with moderation or reporting spammer. This is spam in itself, so I gave a friendly (no penalty point) warning for the numerous offtopics.

[ArmandV]

"When you're up to your a$$ in alligators it's hard to remember you came to clean out the swamp."


I seem to remember a former president from California making good use out that saying (except he used "armpits").

Okay, so we shouldn't make posts to block the offensive posts from the front page (thanks CC1 for clearing up who made the suggestion). What, if anything, should us responsible members do? I also remember a moderator (or someone) complaining about getting too many "bad post" notices.

[DoctorP]

The bad post notice is about all you can do...then hope that a mod is around.

[miki78]

^^ well i didn't post in the offensive threads

Maciamo i'm not offended by the warning ^^ it was just when i got the infraction i felt hmm how can i put it hmmm

It was just like trying to save somebody who was really only filming the scene from a movie and getting slaped in the face

what i did was stupid and that is why i reported my own post it was just i didn't expect an offical warning i expected a hey could you stop the bloopering you know what i mean ^_^

I know that it was spamming but as it was spam done in an attempt to aid the forum i thought an offical warning was a little mean ^_^

I understand where you where coming from and that i did wrong it was just i ended up feeling like i was doing worse than the guy with the pics

Hmmm perhaps i'm just being over sensitive and i guess it was vigalanty action i should have dieled 999

but it was just very upsetting to meet a little hostility across the forum for trying to protect the feelings of it members

^^ But it is OK

[Revenant]

Infractions? How would I know if I got one? I can't see anything of infractions besides what people talk of in these threads, and at least from reading these threads, infraction points seem a far worse idea than negative rep. I haven't been around so often, so I may have missed the answer to my Q, but what exactly is the purpose of infraction points? Why have them?

[miki78]

Well above the section for reputation another section will apear with a yellow card and a reason for the infraction and or the name of the person who gave it to you

Well at least everytime i see the yellow card it reminds me of David Beckham lol \(^o^)/

[jeisan]

...I also remember a moderator (or someone) complaining about getting too many "bad post" notices.

it was probably too many pointless bad post notices from one person, rather than in general.

[miki78]

Um why is it i can see my infraction when i press view Miki78 profile under my name but can't see Mike Cash's or anybody else's who has got a infraction?

Is it becouse it is my public prifile i'm looking at?

[jeisan]

you can only see your own.

[miki78]

Ow right OK thankyou ^^

[sabro]

Hey Mike Cash and CC1-

I'm up to 6 infraction points! What do you guys have?

You can get 4 for "insulting or provoking a team member." Apparently challenging any team members opinions or calling them egotistical counts.

[Dutch Baka]

SABRO!! you know this is not going to help, you other members and Jref!

[sabro]

Duch Baka, I'm trying to be helpful. Consider it a warning to others: don't do what I just did, you will be punished!

Apparently any interaction with certain sensitive team members is certain to gain you an infraction point (or four) if you in any way criticize, question, or disagree with them. I feel that information like this is valuable and sharing it is very important.

[Dutch Baka]

Apparently any interaction with certain sensitive team members is certain to gain you an infraction point (or four) if you in any way criticize, question, or disagree with them. I feel that information like this is valuable and sharing it is very important.

This some of you guys new already a long time ago, so don't tell me that it is important information, and what I and MM have said in another thread, please keep the peace.

[sabro]

So, Dutch...

If I "knew already a long time ago" it is news to me. I am getting infractions for disagreeing with a team member and pointing out what I see are flaws in his statements. To me, that is a part of discussion- challenging the other person's statements, exploring the limits of their point of view, examining flaws in rhetoric and reason... Perhaps you can remind me what you and MM said in that other thread, because it escapes me at times.

I need some clarification: Is it every team member who's opinions must remain unchallenged or is it only a certain team member's? If he is outlandishly wrong, can we point it out or is it best to just ignore him, or should we heap false praise and insincere affirmations? Do we have to agree with him or can we just pretend to agree? It would help to know what the limits are before I cross them.

By the way, I've lost all my reputation points. I'm very sad about this.

And thank you Dave, I know confrontation may be ill advised, but I've gotten infractions for what I consider rather inoccuous points. To me it is an abuse that should be recognized. If it is better however to suffer in silence, so be it.

[RockLee]

By the way, I've lost all my reputation points. I'm very sad about this.Reputation is disabled, you can't gain any points anyways. Don't sweat about it.
If you constantly keep provoking and whining about it, and posting how much you don't like Maciamo and whatnot it will only do more harm than good.

[sabro]

Reputation is disabled? Is this for everyone or just me? It seems like I can still give points, correct?

And I apologize if you think I am whining or provoking. I don't remember specifically saying anywhere that I don't like Maciamo. I've never met him, but I find his behavior rather problematic, and I'm simply too stupid to let it go. I guess sometimes it is better to be crazy than boring.

It is quite possible that if I ever met Julian we would get along just fine. After all we have a great deal in common, including a deep affection for Japan and Japanese culture and a love for discussion.

Thanks for the heads up though.

[RockLee]

Reputation is disabled? Is this for everyone or just me? It seems like I can still give points, correct?For everyone, you can give reputation, but no points will be added. (basically you can give a message, nothing more :P)

And I apologize if you think I am whining or provoking. I don't remember specifically saying anywhere that I don't like Maciamo. I've never met him, but I find his behavior rather problematic, and I'm simply too stupid to let it go. I guess sometimes it is better to be crazy than boring.No need to apologize, but you seem to write about it in about every post you make. It's offtopic also, that's why you got your last infraction.:souka:

[Void]

please, make an announcement when you`ll decide that JRef members have to use same vocabulary (appropriate to the pont of view of ... mod and the mood of his), same attitudes and writing style, also don`t forget to mention the precise order of actions to be made when visiting JREF - what forums to visit and in what order, what posts to comment and so on...
and also what "anthem" should be on a playlist at this moment :D
like kids in a sandbox... didn`t played enough in kindergarten?

[RockLee]

please, make an announcement when you`ll decide that JRef members have to use same vocabulary (appropriate to the pont of view of ... mod and the mood of his), same attitudes and writing style, also don`t forget to mention the precise order of actions to be made when visiting JREF - what forums to visit and in what order, what posts to comment and so on...
and also what "anthem" should be on a playlist at this moment :D
like kids in a sandbox... didn`t played enough in kindergarten?Wow, ain't you the funny Russian ! ...NOT

**To prevent any other offtopicness, I'm going to close this thread**