Mayonaise?

[sabro]

Is mayonaise an Asian creation?
What is in that orange mayo sauce they use in American Sushi bars and do they have it in Japan.

My mother used to make a mayonaise/soy sauce vegetable dressing for broccoli, asparagus, and artichokes. Has anyone else ever heard of this?

My friend David Lee says that the Chinese invented Mayo, Mustard and Ketchup and that the West has it all wrong...

[undrentide]

Mayonnaise seems to be a French invention.
The name of origin varies - there are several stories about it. The one I heard of is the sauce came from Spanish island Majorca (Mallorca), while Wikipedia states it was derived from "sauce mahónnaise" (sauce from Mahon), and Japanese Wiki says Bayonne (France) as another possibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayonnaise#Origin_of_the_name
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%83%A8%E3%83%8D%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA#.E8. AA.9E.E6.BA.90
In Japan we do have a sauce which is mixture of mayonnaise and ketchup, it is called
オーロラソース (oorora soosu = aurora sauce)
though it is something different from "sauce aurore" from French cuisine.
:-)
I don't know if it has a common name, but sometime people add soy sauce to mayonnaise to add flovour. I myself add some wasabi, it is also nice though you have to be careful about the amount of wasabi!
:relief:

[sabro]

Wasabi and mayo is excellent!

The pacific NW has a sauce they call "fry sauce" Mayo+Ketchup+Tabasco and spices. They put it on French Fries.

Europeans put mayo on "chips" too.

[epigene]

Looks like the origin of mayonnaise is uncertain, with some webpages attributing it to a similar sauce recipe that existed in ancient Roman times. The name is most likely of Western European origin. As for mayonnaise in Japan, Wikipedia says the first mayonnaise in Japan was manufactured in 1925, but, as (most probably) the oldest Japanese JREF member, I had never seen mayonnaise until it became more widely available to the population at large in the 1960s under the Kewpie brand. I clearly remember the time when my mom came home with a jar of Kraft Foods Mayonnaise (she got from a friend married to a US military man in Yokohama) and we were bewildered by it. She even went around the neighborhood showing it to her housewife friends.

The mayonnaise/soy sauce recipe must be either something your mother invented or a recipe she acquired from her mother, friends, etc. It is only in the past couple of decades that the Japanese have become very innovative in creating mayonnaise-based dressings. We now see very commonly mayonnaise being mixed with ketchup ("aurora sauce" that undrentide mentioned), hot mustard, wasabi, soy sauce, and other spices and seasonings. I personally like to dilute mayonnaise with milk to reduce mayonnaise intake (for my health) and add all kinds of seasonings to match whatever recipe I'm preparing.

As for the orange mayo sauce you mentioned, I had no idea and checked:
http://www.sushisecrets.com/learnsushi.html
I suspect it's called "Dynamite Sauce"? It's supposed to be a mixture of a chili sauce and Kewpie Mayo. FYI, we here in Japan don't use it commonly, though it might be found in Western-style sushi bars.

I checked the origins and found that ketchup is certainly Chinese--or, more accurately, the recipe is Chinese in origin but the name isn't. Mustard is basically ground mustard seed and used wherever it was grown and was mentioned by the ancient Greeks and even in the New Testament, according to Dictionary.com.
:wave:

[sabro]

Thanks.

I hear ghoulish tales of people applying mayo to pizza, french fries or chips, mashed and baked potatoes, to peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches, or mixing it with all sorts of things for terribly interesting yet somewhat scary sauces. I have a friend that puts it on scrambled eggs and rice.

Does any of this sound familiar?

[Cue]

>_> .oO VERY familiar. :D
Adding mayo to scrambled eggs or omlet, that's what I usually do.
Also, I always put mayo on boiled egg and fried egg, too.
French fries and potatoes(chips?), YES. Fried chicken? YES. Pizza, Pasta, Pilaf...even Curry Rice and some kinds of sushi(like, salad-ish ones)....YES!! XD
(But not that much, mind you. )

...Erm, am I making you disgusted? -_-;;;

And NO for peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Never tried yet. :P

Cue

[Glenn]

I like it on okonomiyaki and sandwiches. Other than that I'm pretty sure I haven't eaten it on anything else.

[RockLee]

From what I've been told it's indeed French. The tomato ketchup + mayonaise mix we call "Cocktail sauce" :) We use it mixed with salad, on french frites, some BBQ dishes like cold potatoes, we use it in noodle salad (small sausages, pasta + mayo) and some other dishes. There are 2 known kinds of mayonaise here, namely : Sweet mayonaise and sour mayonaise. I prefer the sweet one, it looks a bit darker too :) Oh yeah, Dutch people have CRAP mayonaise, by faaar as good as Belgian one :) (Sorry Dave, Leon :p)

[Glenn]

Heh, our cocktail sauce is ketchup, Tabasco sauce, horseradish, and Worcestershire sauce. We don't use mayo at all.

[Cue]

Ah, Glenn, this might be a bit off-topic but is Hollandaise Sauce kind of same as mayo, perhaps?
I've been wanting to try a dish called Eggs Benedict someday, and from its picture, the sauce looks similar to mayo...
Looks so yummy!! >_<

[Glenn]

Yeah, but hollandaise uses the egg yolks. It's mostly that and butter. I'm pretty sure mayo uses the egg whites and butter, but I'm not 100% certain. It's good, but don't eat too much of it. :p

[Cue]

Oh okay. Mmm, I suppose mayo needs egg yolks as well... but anyway, thank you all the same!

[Flashjeff]

Christ on a crutch! I wish I never checked out this thread! My stomach's rolling over from all this talk about what folks put mayo on! In other words----URGH!!!

:okashii:

[leonmarino]

From what I've been told it's indeed French. The tomato ketchup + mayonaise mix we call "Cocktail sauce" :) We use it mixed with salad, on french frites, some BBQ dishes like cold potatoes, we use it in noodle salad (small sausages, pasta + mayo) and some other dishes. There are 2 known kinds of mayonaise here, namely : Sweet mayonaise and sour mayonaise. I prefer the sweet one, it looks a bit darker too :) Oh yeah, Dutch people have CRAP mayonaise, by faaar as good as Belgian one :) (Sorry Dave, Leon :p)Belgian mayonaise is very very good indeed. I especially like the own brand of Delhaize (some chain of supermarkets in Belgium). You guys also have Samurai-sauce right? If I remember correctly it's a very spicy kind of mayonaise, to be eaten with fried potatoes.

We Dutchies have someting called frites-sauce, which is something different than the ordinary mayonaise. It's quite sweet and thick and only tastes good with fried potatoes. :D I love to eat that after a good swim or at the beach.. Somehow those places make the fries/sauce combo taste extremely good.

If I would have to make a top 3 of my fave -ordinary- mayo's:

キューピー (cupid's)
Hellman's
Delhaize own brand

[Mycernius]

My friend David Lee says that the Chinese invented Mayo, Mustard and Ketchup and that the West has it all wrong...
He doesn't, by any chance, have Chinese heritage?
A bit difficult for the Chinese to invent Ketchup, as it is made from tomatoes that are a native plant in South America and didn't even make an appearence in Europe until the Spanish bought them back. Mustard is more likely a European or middle eastern idea, as that is where that plant is found, although there are some types found in India, but the main plants are from North Africa and the Middle East.

I like having mayo on my chips.

[bezz]

It is only in the past couple of decades that the Japanese have become very innovative in creating mayonnaise-based dressings.Rokusaburo Michiba is the one who popularized mayonnaise in traditional Japanese cooking, during 1990's. The recent mayo obsession (for non-traditional/non-Japanese dishes too) started in 2000's.


related post (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=396348)
more (http://www.jref.com/forum/showpost.php?p=334927)
link (http://www.mayonnaise.org/)

[yukio_michael]

Who can forget, Ebi mayo pizza... Ebi mayo mayo, Ebi mayo mayo, BINGO! I liked the combini mayo-pizza, and ate mayo on okonomiyaki.... The packaging is unmistakable.... Red cap & clear plastic shaped like a miniature rounded katsup bottle.

[sabro]

My friend David is definitely Chinese. He believes the Chinese invented everything (that either Da Vinci or Edison didn't)

According to industry sources... Ketchup, Catsup... or whatever you call it was a vinegar/soy based sauce brought back from China (or Indonesia?) by the Dutch (or British?)... that bore little resemblence to the tomato product. The English added mushroom and other vegetable by-products, and Americans in New England apparently began adding cheap tomato products- skins, pulp, green tomatoes and off season (stored canned or pickled in the off season...) So he is at least partly right.

I also found some dubious sources that do give China credit for an egg-vegetable oil sauce like mayonnaise... and also the Egyptians and the Romans. Because it needs to be refridgrated and the recent history is pretty well documented... it would seem to be a more modern French invention.

[Pachipro]

When I eat atarime (jerky style strips of dried squid) I make my own dipping sauce of Kewpie mayonaise mixed with a little soy sauce, a little rayuu (sesame oil) and a pinch of shichi mi (chili pepper). Hmmm, hmmmm, good!

I also enjoy mayonaise on okonomiyaki, fried potatos, raw tomatoes, and of course a ham and cheese sandwich.

My favorites are Hellman's/Best Foods and Kewpie. Hellman's/Best foods has more of an egg flavor while the Kewpie has a slight vinegar flavor.

[miki78]

My Mom keeps trying to stop me eating Mayonaise becouse i have eaten it with everything

Brussels
Chips
Roast pots
Chocolate
Pizza
Egg fried rice

and everything else non meat you can think of ^^

[RockLee]

My Mom keeps trying to stop me eating Mayonaise becouse i have eaten it with everything
Brussels You ate a capital city ??? :shock: You mean the waffles??

[Mikawa Ossan]

I can see why her mom wouldn't approve! I wouldn't want my daughter eating whole cities, either! :p:p
miki, did you mean brussel sprouts?

[Glenn]

I assumed she meant brussel sprouts as well. Her eating Brussels would be as impressive as Mikawa eating Taiwan. :p (remember that one?)

[Mikawa Ossan]

I assumed she meant brussel sprouts as well. Her eating Brussels would be as impressive as Mikawa eating Taiwan. :p (remember that one?)
LOL I had completely forgotten about that!

Miki, we should start some secret society for people who like to eat geographic locations whole!

[miki78]

:lol: that really made me laugh

I'm so sorry i meant Brussel sprouts not the city lol

I hope i didn't offend anybody from Brussels :souka:

Mind if i eat Brussles do i get Jean claude van dam as a side order lol sorry:blush:

[RockLee]

He lives in America ? :p Brussels sprouts, yuck!!

[miki78]

Yea but his from Brussles right so his still on the menu ^^ (you was talking bout van dam right lol)

I love Brussel sprouts i don't know why people hate them and there really nice cold with Mayo lol

[epigene]

My Mom keeps trying to stop me eating Mayonaise becouse i have eaten it with everything
Brussels
Chips
Roast pots
Chocolate
Pizza
Egg fried rice
and everything else non meat you can think of ^^

Miki,

You are what we call "mayo-ra" in Japan. Young people who use mayo on anything and everything are called that! :blush:

I'm certain that the mayo-ras will put an end to Japan's supremacy for having the longest life span in the world!! :giggle:

[Cue]

LMAO so, Miki eats Brussels with mayo, Mikawa san eats Taiwan with mayo!?!? XD
(I don't know why Mikawa san wants to eat Taiwan. though)

Well, Miki, you've succeeded to surprise me and now you have my admiration.
Chocolate with Mayo!?!? xD
I love both but...now THAT's something!! :D

[miki78]

lol and cold keesh and crisps and yorksire pudding and bubble and squek lol ^^

does this mean i have an offical Japanese definition a Mayo ra cool lol

[Mikawa Ossan]

I most certainly do NOT eat anything with mayo, much less entire countries!!

(I don't like mayo)

[Cue]

Aww, what a shame, you're missing something there, Mikawa san...!! xD
(Just kidding)

I know, mayo is not too good for your health. (Though I consume way too much)

My 200th post was about my favourite mayo... I'm so happy!. :D

[RockLee]

Believe it or not, but I didn't eat mayonaise until a few years ago. Then I tried it, and ate more and more, now I enjoy it :p

[sabro]

I rarely eat mayo at all, and if I do, I eat fat free mayonnaise... a Kraft product. Since mayonnaise is basically vegetable oil that is emulsified with egg white... moderation is definitely called for.

How about Miracle Whip? I think is is aweful.

[Gentleman10]

Lololol! ｗｗｗｗｗｗ
To think there'd be a thread of mayonaise!:giggle:
Personally I'm no fan of the substance, but do carry on, I enjoy the conversation.

by the way, don't Japanese people tend to love mayo? I remember as a prank I bought my host father a huge tub of mayonaise b/c he loved it so much.

[misa.j]

I don't like mayo. No mayo on my sandwich or I won't eat it!

[sabro]

But you can't use mustard as a hair straightener/conditioner!

[misa.j]

WTH!? Who puts mayo on their hair???

That would be like as bizarre as bathing in curry!

[sabro]

It's egg white and vegetable oil... kind of greasey, but I guess it would work.

[craftsman]

Here is the results of a questionnaire on Japanese people's mayonnaise combinations:
Q: What unusual food goes well with mayonnaise?
1 Fried chicken and mayonnaise 100
2 Cold chinese noodles and mayonnaise 82.7
3 Bread and mayonnaise 67.8
4 Fried egg and mayonnaise 49.6
5 Pasta and mayonnaise 42.1
6 Rice and mayonnaise 40.0
7 Fried potato chips and mayonnaise 39.1
8 Pizza and mayonnaise 33.4
9 Sashimi and mayonnaise 26.9
10 Natto and mayonnaise 25.4
http://ranking.goo.ne.jp/ranking/013/mayonnaise/
Hang on... Natto and mayonnaise?

[epigene]

Here is the results of a questionnaire on Japanese people's mayonnaise combinations:
Hang on... Natto and mayonnaise?

Yep, I've seen someone eat that one!!

Personally, I can handle only 5 out of the top 10... :relief:

[Mikawa Ossan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEG15CLTqo

This is all I have to say about this! :p

[craftsman]

Well I had tuna sashimi tonight and I thought - OK if 26.9% people in the survey thought mayonnaise and sashimi went together, I'll give it a try.


Result: It's at number 9 for a reason. Do not try it.


And Mikawa Ossan - I made sure not to drown it.

[Cue]

LOL

Wow, interesting results! I do all of them except for #10, Natto.

Craftsman,
Too bad you didn't like tuna sashimi with mayo...
Well, actually I haven't tried tuna myself.
But next time, try salmon! It tastes good(to me, at least)!

Mikasa san,
What is that song is about? I can't catch what they are singing except for "potato", "sour cream", "mayo", and "ketchup"...T_T

[leonmarino]

I'm Louis the lifeguard and happy to say
I rescued a drowning potato today
They drowned him in sour cream, oh, what a shame
'Cos food's so much better when practically (?) plain

So don't drown your food
In mayo, sauce, ketchup or goo
It's no fun to eat what you can't even see
So don't drown your food!!

I think that's it. I'm not sure about the (?) part though.. I'm not sure about "goo" either 'cos if I think it means something very different nowadays.. :blush:

[Cue]

Oh!
Thank you so much, Leon~~~!!
I see, so it's saying that food tastes good with no seasoning!

But it tastes even better with mayo~~~!
(Sorry, just kidding. :p )

Again, thank you, Leon and Mikawa san. I'll try not to...

Cue

[Supervin]

Japanese mayonnaise tastes slightly different from conventional mayonnaise. I love it when it's mixed with the sauce on okonomiyaki.

[misa.j]

Well I had tuna sashimi tonight and I thought - OK if 26.9% people in the survey thought mayonnaise and sashimi went together, I'll give it a try.
Nuuoooohhh!!! That is totally overkill.

[epigene]

Nuuoooohhh!!! That is totally overkill.
Misa-san, you won't believe what the "mayo-ra" do on food! I've seen people carrying bottles of mayo to restaurants (though only on TV)!

[sabro]

How about mayo on a hot dog. It's just wrong.

[Cue]

How about mayo on a hot dog. It's just wrong.
Erm, I do that.
...I love to eat sausage with mayo. ._.

[sabro]

Five Iron Frenzy has an improvised song... a tid bit scrap really-- called Mayonnaise taco Mondays!

[laurilovesyou]

While on the topic of mayo, does any one have a good recipes that kew pie mayo would be appropriate for? :)

[taeter_tot]

We use Japanese Kewpie mayo as substitute for butter on boiled vegetables.

[claudia7950]

hello to all you of you, mayo addicted (I have to pay attention, I'm on a diet!!!)
I don't know how mayo is made in Japan, we in Europe only use egg yolk and no white!
You can do it at home, using 1 or 2 egg yolks, a little salt and a squeeze of lemon juice. Put in a bowl and while whisking continuously add a thread of oil (olive or peanut or seed) until it becomes spongy and white-yellowish as prefab mayo.
It is a bit "heavier" than supermarket mayo but...:-)
yum!

[pipokun]

Try Miso & Mayo dipping sauce for vegetable sticks.

3 or 4 tbsp your homemade mayo
1 tbsp miso
You don't have to buy a box of miso, but just use instant miso soup paste. It usually contains about one or two tbsp miso with lots of nice fish stock flavor.

Just mix the aboves well.
Just prepare vegetable sticks
And just eat as many as vegetable sticks.