Notion of ALL LOOK SAME (ALLLOOKSAME.com). is it really true?

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Since many of us has taken the test of alllooksame.com designed by dyske, who first made this site as a joke, we can perhaps talk about it with something more credible than picking 6 persons out of a billion of japanese, chinese, and korean population. Science, whether you like it or not, is one way to evaluate alllooksame.com (http://www.alllooksame.com), and its benchmark performance.

I have collected and organized the random materials posted on many related sites, and would like to present them here for your information. Please let us know if, after you read the materials on this thread, you still think ALL LOOK SAME, or otherwise.

I will also put a few genetic materials for your information though these are already posted on other threads. (Please see Japanese ethnicities and genetics (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27102).)

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Genetics

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PNAS | August 28, 2001 | vol. 98 | no. 18 | 10244-10249
The Eurasian Heartland: A continental perspective on Y-chromosome diversity
R. Spencer Wellsa,b, Nadira Yuldashevaa,c, Ruslan Ruzibakievc, Peter A. Underhilld, Irina Evseevae, Jason Blue-Smithd, Li Jinf, Bing Suf, Ramasamy Pitchappang, Sadagopal Shanmugalakshmig, Karuppiah Balakrishnang, Mark Readh, Nathaniel M. Pearsoni, Tatiana Zerjalj, Matthew T. Websterk, Irakli Zholoshvilil, Elena Jamarjashvilil, Spartak Gambarovm, Behrouz Nikbinn, Ashur Dostievo, Ogonazar Aknazarovp, Pierre Zallouaq, Igor Tsoyr, Mikhail Kitaevs, Mirsaid Mirrakhimovs, Ashir Charievt, and Walter F. Bodmera,u

ABSTRACT
The nonrecombining portion of the human Y chromosome has proven to be a valuable tool for the study of population history. The maintenance of extended haplotypes characteristic of particular geographic regions, despite extensive admixture, allows complex demographic events to be deconstructed. In this study we report the frequencies of 23 Y-chromosome biallelic polymorphism haplotypes in 1,935 men from 49 Eurasian populations, with a particular focus on Central Asia. These haplotypes reveal traces of historical migrations, and provide an insight into the earliest patterns of settlement of anatomically modern humans on the Eurasian continent. Central Asia is revealed to be an important reservoir of genetic diversity, and the source of at least three major waves of migration leading into Europe, the Americas, and India. The genetic results are interpreted in the context of Eurasian linguistic patterns.



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Fig. 1. Geographic distribution of Y-chromosome haplotypes in selected Eurasian populations. Evolutionarily related haplotypes were combined to clarify their display. Colors are those shown in Table 1.

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Cranial Morphology

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/171305898v1

Published online before print July 31, 2001, 10.1073/pnas.171305898

Anthropology
Old World sources of the first New World human inhabitants: A comparative craniofacial view
C. Loring Brace*,, A. Russell Nelson*,, Noriko Seguchi*, Hiroaki Oe§, Leslie Sering*, Pan Qifeng¶, Li Yongyi, and Dashtseveg Tumen**
* Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, 1109 Geddes Avenue, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; Department of Anthropology, University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY 82071; § Department of Statistics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; ¶ Institute of Archaeology, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, 27 Wangfujing Dajie, Beijing 100710, China; Department of Anatomy, Chengdu College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, 13 Xing Lo Road, Chengdu, Sichuan, People's Republic of China; and ** Department of Anthropology, Mongolian Academy of Sciences, Ulaanbaatar-51, Mongolia

Communicated by Kent V. Flannery, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, June 18, 2001 (received for review January 2, 2001)

Abstract
Human craniofacial data were used to assess the similarities and differences between recent and prehistoric Old World samples, and between these samples and a similar representation of samples from the New World. The data were analyzed by the neighbor-joining clustering procedure, assisted by bootstrapping and by canonical discriminant analysis score plots. The first entrants to the Western Hemisphere of maybe 15,000 years ago gave rise to the continuing native inhabitants south of the U.S.-Canadian border. These show no close association with any known mainland Asian population. Instead they show ties to the Ainu of Hokkaido and their Jomon predecessors in prehistoric Japan and to the Polynesians of remote Oceania. All of these also have ties to the Pleistocene and recent inhabitants of Europe and may represent an extension from a Late Pleistocene continuum of people across the northern fringe of the Old World. With roots in both the northwest and the northeast, these people can be described as Eurasian. The route of entry to the New World was at the northwestern edge. In contrast, the Inuit (Eskimo), the Aleut, and the Na-Dene speakers who had penetrated as far as the American Southwest within the last 1,000 years show more similarities to the mainland populations of East Asia. Although both the earlier and later arrivals in the New World show a mixture of traits characteristic of the northern edge of Old World occupation and the Chinese core of mainland Asia, the proportion of the latter is greater for the more recent entrants.

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Fig. 4. A dendrogram based on the samples used to construct Fig. 3, plus a Bronze Age Mongolian group and four others from the Western Hemisphere. (A) The neighbor-joining method was used on 1,000 bootstrap samplings to generate the pattern displayed. (B) The relationships among the groups are also displayed by canonical discriminant function scores. The first discriminant function accounts for 48% of total variation, and the second accounts for 16%.

http://www-personal.une.edu.au/~pbrown3/brown99.pdf

The first modern East Asians ?:
another look at Upper Cave
101, Liujiang and Minatogawa 1
Peter Brown
Department of Archaeology and Palaeoanthropology
University of New England
Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia

http://www.geocities.com/londonross1/minatogawa.gif
Lower left is close to the present day han chinese.

MINATOGAWA 1
The Minatogawa 1 male skeleton was found in 1970 at the
Minatogawa limestone quarry on Okinawa (Suzuki and Hanihara 1982).
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The first modern East Asians?: another look at Upper Cave 101, Liujiang and Minatogawa 1
Three female skeletons, in varying states of preservation, and assorted
other fragments were also recovered. The Minatogawa skeletons have
been described in detail in Suzuki and Hanihara (1982), with Suzuki
(1982) describing the crania. Additional comparative information can
be found in Baba and Nerasaki (1991). The Minatogawa 1 cranium is
not as complete as Liujiang and Upper Cave 101, particularly in the
basi-cranium, facial skeleton and temporal regions. Several of the
dimensions used in the analysis to follow had to be estimated.
Unlike Liujiang and Upper Cave there does not appear to have
been any concern over the reliability of the dating of Minatogawa.
Radiocarbon dates of 18,250 ±650 to 16,600 ±300 years BP were obtained
from charcoal inside the fissure (Kobayashi et al. 1974). Fluorine content
of human and non-human bones within the site suggested that they
were contemporaneous (Matsu’ura 1982). Assuming that the site was
well stratified, that the carbon dates do bracket the skeletons and that
the skeletons were not intrusive, then Minatogawa remains do have a
strong claim to being the earliest modern human skeletons in East Asia.

http://www.geocities.com/londonross1/minatogawaPC.gif

Overall, the scatter plot of Functions 1 and 2 indicate the relative morphological
similarity of the modern and Neolithic Chinese groups, while the
modern Japanese are closer to a wider range of East Asian and Native
American populations. Plots of the total group dispersions associated
with Figure 3 revealed the large degree of overlap between the Neolithic
and modern Chinese and between the modern Japanese, Anyang,
Hainan and Native American groups. The Eskimo and Ainu were more
distinct, as were both of the Australian Aboriginal groups.

Please note that northern and southern japanese are in the middle point between N/S chinese and ainu/jomon/minatogawa. This represents the japanese population
divided into the two completely diverged skull/facial structures.

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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c232/londonross/facetype2.gif

The results show the average faces of east asian (and some other related)populations.

Please note the ainu/jomon (native japanese islanders) has a significant difference with han chinese population.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/5_08_01.gif

Contrast between Jomon and Yayoi japanese faces.

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Average (not necessarily typical) Korean face
http://english.chosun.com/media/photo/news/200508/200508160008_01.jpg
http://www.andongkim.com/articles/20...koreanface.htm
Korean scientists allegedly produced what they call, "the average Korean face". The Korean Institute of Science and Technology information (KISTI) working together with the Catholic Institute for Applied Anatomy made computer tomographic scans of Koreans last year and with the aid of a supercomputer produced a "digital Korean" -- a 3-D video of the average Korean's physical structure.
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Average (not necessarily typical) CHINESE face
http://www.angle.org/anglonline/?req...e=05&page=0393
Perception of Facial Esthetics by Native Chinese Participants by Using Manipulated Digital Imagery Techniques
Sample population
The Chinese rater group consisted of 85 native Chinese participants from Beijing. Of these raters, 38 were women, and 47 were men (45% women and 55% men). Their mean age was 26.3 ± 5.3 years.
Manipulated digital imagery technique
An adult native Chinese male and female stimulus face (A) was selected for digital distortion (Figures 1 and 2 ). Both subjects were 24 years old and were chosen because they exhibited Class I occlusions with average dental proclination and balanced lower facial skeletal proportions previously established as norms for this population. They were meant to be representative of the average facial profile for this ethnic group. Because the Chinese have a shorter than average anterior cranial base and a dental proclination greater than Caucasian norms, their “normal” profile would be classified, by Caucasian standards, as bimaxillary protrusive.29,30 This profile was selected as representative of the “normal” Chinese participant.
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FIGURE 1. The “normal” Chinese male stimulus face (A) with a balance of dental and skeletal proportions
http://www.angle.org/archive/0003-3219/070/05/figure/i0003-3219-070-05-0393-f02t.gif
FIGURE 2. The “normal” Chinese female stimulus face (A) with a balance of dental and skeletal proportions
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I came through previous threads on alllooksame.com. I cited Maciamo said something motivating the discussions on this topic.
I insist that it's very possible to tell the difference between East Asians, for I have been several times to Korea and live in Japan. I flew quite a few times in planes composed half of Japanese and half of Korean and even flight attendant can usually tell the difference when they address someone (they have to know whether to speak in Korean or Japanese and rarely mistake). It is absolutely normal that Japanese can't tell the difference since most of them have never really thought about it or haven't been to Korea or China.

I did a little test, no later than last week in Incheon Airport (Seoul) trying to guess who was Japanese and who was Korean at the gate before boarding. I decided then approached to check what language they spoke. I got about 80% right. The hint is not in the clothes but in facial features, deeper and a bit more "Western" for Japanese, and rounder, flatter faces for Koreans. culture to recognise this. Koreans have squarer jaws too.

Some Chinese have darker or more "yellow" skin. They surely have squarer and harsher features than Japanese. This is certainly due to the life style and this difference is likely to disappear with time as Chinese will get richer and live more like Japanese. That is why, it's much more difficult to tell who's who if they live in the same country (Japan, US, etc). It's near impossible to tell a Korean or Chinese born and raised in Japan, because I believe the mentality (language) and lifestyle play the most important role in facial expression.The eyes and smiles are a bit different too. You need to know a bit of both

The last point on physical transformation by culture is weak, but I share much perceptions with him.
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There is a good description posted on the origin of japanese people thread. I would like to cite it here to represent one view held by non-east asian.

...or is there something else that hinders her power of discernment? :p

I'm a white American guy, and even I can tell Japanese people apart from other Asians. To put it bluntly, most Japanese persons look like the hybrid offspring of a pair consisting of an East Asian and a southern European (Greek or Jew?). That's not to say that the Japanese are closely related to any extant European population; in fact, I am almost certain that they are very distant from each other in terms of line of descent. The fact remains, however, that morphologically at least, Japanese people have a relatively high incidence of certain physical traits that are extremely rare among other East Asian populations. I think this is likely to be due to "shared retention" by the ancestors of the Europeans and the Japanese aborigines of a certain suite of physical traits that was typical of the original Eurasians, while the ancestors of continental East Asians underwent several severe changes to their skeletal (and especially facial) morphology during their most recent stage of evolution. This scenario seems to be supported by the fact that ancient skeletons of modern humans found anywhere in Eurasia, and even the oldest human skeletons found in the Americas, all appear to possess rather Caucasoid morphology, and skeletons that exhibit the prototypical features of the Mongoloid race appear only later in the archaeological record.
I rarely have any difficulty distinguishing Japanese from Chinese or Koreans, but the continentals can be a troublesome bunch.

The unusual features of the Japanese that set them apart clearly in most cases from any of the continental East Asians are:

1) Japanese tend to have a more pronounced facial topography (i.e., a rather "bumpy" or "projecting" look to the face, such as around the eyebrows, rather than the smooth and flat contours of Chinese or Koreans)

2) Japanese tend to have a more perceptually salient nose. This can be either more salient in simply the degree of projection from the surface of the face, or more salient in terms of the total volume of the nose (i.e., including the width). In general, Japanese seem to exhibit a much greater variety of nose sizes and shapes than do continental East Asians, and I have met many Japanese who even have "bumpy" noses with several bulges and constrictions in the contour of the nose, as I have otherwise only observed in Europeans. Chinese and Koreans appear to have only smooth-contoured noses, regardless of whether they are flat and broad (as is common in southern Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.) or narrow and slightly projecting. This feature is particularly relevant for distinguishing Japanese men from Chinese or Korean men, because women of every nationality tend to be rather paedomorphic when it comes to their noses.

3) Japanese people tend to have a diminutive lower facial region. They often have small jaws, which may be the direct cause of their propensity for having poor alignment of the teeth. Continental East Asians, on the other hand, seem to have huge jaws, flaring malars (cheekbones), and a generally large and imposing lower face when viewed from a Caucasian perspective.

4) Japanese people often have rather translucent skin, similar to that of Europeans, when they are not tanned. Therefore, Japanese people often have rosy cheeks and a generally healthy-looking complexion. When they do tan, they tend to take on a reddish-brown color. The Chinese and Koreans, on the other hand, are almost all cream- or beige-colored ("pasty") from the start, and they have completely opaque skin, so that it is impossible for them to have rosy cheeks and they always look sort of sickly unless they are tanned, in which case they take on a yellow-brown color.
As for distinguishing Chinese and Koreans by sight, I think it is quite difficult, but not impossible. They both have a propensity for big faces with a smoothly rounded outline, but Koreans tend to be more extreme in the width of their faces, so that they often have a nearly circular look, whereas Chinese tend to have more elliptical faces when viewed directly from the front. Chinese also more frequently have double eyelids and larger eyes that seem to bulge out of their (flat) sockets. Korean people tend to have very small eyes and no eyelid creases. Among East Asians, Chinese people also have a peculiar tendency towards prognathism, so that they often have bulging mouths that look somewhat reminiscent of black Africans. The big, bulgy eyes and mouth that appear so frequently among Chinese people seem to me to suggest some sort of affinity with populations of Southeast Asia. Also, I'm not totally sure about this, but I have a hunch that Koreans more frequently have a sort of oily shine to their skin, whereas Chinese people's skin tends to be more dull and dry-looking.


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Courtesy of National Science Museum at Ueno/Shinjuku
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/5_17_03.jpg
Predicted distribution of Ainu/Jomon Japanese. The red stands for the Ainu ethnicity in modern japanese in molecular levels, and the yellow indicates the yayoi japanese.
Figures above shows the statistical distribution of jomon and yayoi people. High density of jomon dna markers is found in northern and southern japan including shikoku. This geographical trend in ethnic density is supported by recent genetics studies
Below, we will give some examples of people in north/south japan, who are thought to be similar to jomon people. Samples are taken from 19th century noble people whose ancestry went back to 20th-50th generations to north and south japan.

Northern Japanese
Mutsu Munemitsu, A minister of Foreign Affair
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/mutu.jpg
He is nothern japanese from the noblest family in northern japan.
His family tree is from Hiraizumi-Fujiwara clan (Emishi related Ainu).
His ancestor includes some figures like Date Masamune, and the origin of family dates back more than 1000 years ago,
The same person
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Munemitsu_Mutsu_2.jpg
Wife of Mutsu Munemitsu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ryouko.jpg

Eastern Japanese
Katsu Kaishu, Admiral of the Shogun's fleet
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kanrin8.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Kaishu_Katsu_2.jpg

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Southern Japanese

Togo Heihachiro, An admiral, A national hero in Japan-Russo War (no involvement in WWII)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Togo_in_Europe.jpg

Southernmost Japanese. His ancestor was a neighbor of koizumi's.

Togo Heihachiro in his 58 years old
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ADMIRALTOGO.jpg

Okubo Toshimichi, Revolutionary, A founder of Meiji Government
Born in Kagoshima, Southernmost Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/0005_r.jpg
He is the suppoter of domestic development and resisted the
"Conquering of Korea".

He suppressed regional rebellions by the former
samurai class that ended with the Satsuma Rebellion,
but was assassinated by a former samurai in 1878.

His background is middle-ranking samurai, and his phenotype
seems to be from the relation to Ryukyuan, native islanders.

The same person
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/2896138988.jpg

Komura Jutaro, Minister of Foreign Affair, Harvard Graduate
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yomimono03_01.jpg

Akiyama Saneyuki, Hero in Japan-Russo War, Vice-Admiral, died in 1918
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Akiyama_Saneyuki.jpg

Akiyama Yoshifuru, General, The founder of Japanese Cavalry
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/akiyamak.jpg

Last two people are southern-central (shikoku) japanese. I posted this because their phenotype is somewhere between japanese (jomon) and korean (yayoi), mixed. Very interesting

The first pic of komura can be representative of any japanese, but his background seems to be jomon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/AinuGroup.JPG
Group of Ainu people, 1904 photograph, taken in Hokkaido Japan

From Wikipedia "Ainu People"
Due to intermarriage with the Japanese and ongoing absorption into the predominant culture, few living Ainu settlements exist. Many "authentic Ainu villages" advertised in Hokkaido are simply tourist attractions.

If you search the Ainu people over the Web, you will most likely see the fake Ainu people's picture.

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I think the "all look same" quiz is only partially valid - those are for the most part pics of Asian Americans - lived the american lifestyle, eaten the american foods, had american health and dental care, and so on. I can tell Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese apart fairly easily after having lived in Honolulu and Japan for years simply because Korean diets, makeup, posture, etc., is different from Japanese diets, posture, makeup, etc. The differences aren't so much genetic (although some people just plain look like the "average" of where their ancesters came from - the common bone structure looks like the common bone structure of others of their ancestral decent) but a lot of it has to do with living in their respective countries - the manerisms, the makeup (women), posture, even the way they walk is idiosyncratic to the country they grew up in. So if you have enough experience in observing people from one country long enough, you can tell the differences. But you are less likely to tell the differences when they grow up in a completely different country - but some people still exibit the "traditional facial structure" of thier respective ancestral countries, and I don't think that can be disputed. As for the "phenotypes" of modern Japanese, there has been enough mobility in the last 100 years to invalidate a lot of that. Just my two cents.

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I recognize Japanese people that I had briefly talked to in the streets years ago occasionally when I fly back.

They don't all look the same. I told a Japanese girl I was dating in America where she grew up before she had even told me.


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Am J Phys Anthropol. 1989 Jan;78(1):93-113.
Reflections on the face of Japan: a multivariate craniofacial and odontometric perspective.Brace CL, Brace ML, Leonard WR.
Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 48109.
Craniofacial variables for modern and prehistoric Japanese were subjected to multivariate analysis to test the relationships of the people of Japan with mainland Asian and Oceanic samples. The modern Japanese are tied to Koreans, Chinese, Southeast Asians, and the Yayoi rice agriculturalists who entered Japan in 300 B.C. Together they make up a Mainland-Asia cluster of related populations. The prehistoric Jomon foragers, the original inhabitants of the Japanese archipelago, are the direct ancestors of the modern Ainu, who made a recognizable contribution to the warrior class--the Samurai--of feudal Japan. Together, they are associated with Polynesians and Micronesians in a Jomon-Pacific cluster of related populations. Jomon-to-Ainu tooth size reduction proceeded at the same rate as that observable in the post-Pleistocene elsewhere in the Old World.
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A great thread I found on other forums.
A while ago an article, "The Samurai And The Ainu", was published in Scientific Frontiers. Unfortunatly, it only saw brief discussion.
It is my opinion that this matter is worth a closer look. Below, I have taken the liberty to provide links to information concerning the matter.

The first reference of the matter was found on Science Frontiers Online. The article can be found here. (http://www.science-frontiers.com/index.htm)

The SF article, The Samurai And The Ainu , was based on a story published in the New York Times. The story, Exalted Warriors, Humble Roots , written by John Noble Wilford was first published in the June 6th 1989 New York Times. This story can be found here. (http://knifelogic.com/NYT-EWHR%20JN%20Wilford.pdf) (Wilford, John Noble; "Exalted Warriors, Humble Roots," New York Times, June 6, 1989. Cr. J. Covey.)

Wilford's story was based on the findings of C. Loring Brace published in the American Journal of Physical Science. Brace's article, Reflections on the face of Japan: a multivariate craniofacial and odontometric perspective., can be found here. (http://knifelogic.com/AJPA_78-1CLBrace_SM.pdf)
(AJPA. 1989 Jan;78(1):93-113.)

World renown anthropologist, CL Brace, recieved his Ph.D from Harvard University in 1962. Loring Brace is currently a Professor of Anthropology at the Department of Anthropology and Curator of Biological Anthropology at the Museum of Anthropology. More. (http://www.lsa.umich.edu/anthro/faculty_staff/brace.html)

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http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/5_17_03.jpg

Eastern, Northern, Southern Japanese has a stronger connection to Ainu and Jomon (red on the chart) ethnicity. Gene pools of central japan (yellow on the chart), in contrast, may be contributed by continental immigrants from china, korea, and south east asia. Pictures of nobles in central japan will be shown below as a comparison to the jomon/ainu related northern, southern japanese.

Central (Yayoi) Japanese

Ito Hirobumi, the first prime minister of Japan, Born in Central Japan (choshu)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/2941f6c9.jpg

Katsura Taro, Prime Minister, Born in Central Japan (choshu)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/0115a4ac.jpg

Yamagata Aritomo, Prime Minister of Japan, Born in Central Japan, Choshu
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Aritomo_Yamagata.jpg

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Hmm... that's some interesting research. I've always kind of thought to myself that most of the Japanese people I know or have had contact with could fit into about 40 fdifferent facial templates (granted i'm no academic). I've been here for almost 5 years now all together and have lived in Sapporo, Nagoya, and now Fukuoka so i've had quite a broad exposure but I can't count how many times I could have sworn I saw someone I knew or recognized only to find out they were a total stranger who just beared an uncanny resemblance heh. Anyways, interesting stuff.

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Loring Brace has done a work on European faces too.

The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form (http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0509801102v1)

C. Loring Brace *, Noriko Seguchi , Conrad B. Quintyn , Sherry C. Fox ¶, A. Russell Nelson ||, Sotiris K. Manolis **, and Pan Qifeng
*Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; Department of Anthropology, University of Montana, Missoula, MT 59812; Department of Anthropology, University of Pennsylvania, Bloomsburg, PA 17815-1301; ¶Weiner Laboratory, The American School of Classical Studies at Athens, GR-106 76 Athens, Greece; ||Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; **Faculty of Biology, National and Kapodistrian University of Athens, GR-157 81 Athens, Greece; and Institute of Archaeology, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, Beijing 100710, People's Republic of China

Communicated by Kent V. Flannery, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, November 11, 2005 (received for review September 20, 2005)

Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 craniofacial measurements of a series of human populations are used to generate neighbor-joining dendrograms, it is no surprise that all modern European groups, ranging all of the way from Scandinavia to eastern Europe and throughout the Mediterranean to the Middle East, show that they are closely related to each other. The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. Basques and Canary Islanders are clearly associated with modern Europeans. When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested. The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/europe1-1.jpg

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[Goldiegirl]

Hmmm.....I found this thread interesting as I was told by just about everyone I met in Japan that my fiance did not look like a "typical" Japanese. I was told his eyes were much bigger and that his face protruded or stuck out more. I think they were trying to say he has higher cheek bones and his face isn't flat. I was suprised, but to me everyone looked different and I certainly could tell everyone apart. I was suprised at the diversity of looks...the only thing that really stuck out in my mind was all the dark hair.

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Hmmm.....I found this thread interesting as I was told by just about everyone I met in Japan that my fiance did not look like a "typical" Japanese. I was told his eyes were much bigger and that his face protruded or stuck out more. I think they were trying to say he has higher cheek bones and his face isn't flat. I was suprised, but to me everyone looked different and I certainly could tell everyone apart. I was suprised at the diversity of looks...the only thing that really stuck out in my mind was all the dark hair.

Surely, if your eyes are used to Asian people, you shouldn't have problems to see the varieties.

Reptitions of seeing objects enfornce brains to see the differences amongst similar objects. There are really three fundamental reasons for people who cannot differentiate the distinct objects:

(1) Inherited recognition deficiencies
(2) Lower IQ, and clear lack of abilities in mental focuses
(3) Absolute indifference to the objects concerned (people sometimes calls it, racism. but you may not agree)

Nationality is really decieving, as half of japanese shares the continental origins, and about 10 percent of koreans have north asian, mongolian stocks. Therefore, I will add another factor for thinking "all look same".

(4) Annoyance of spotting wrong nationality, ethinicity. and annoyance to the political correctness.

In reality, people asserting (4) knows that it can be offensive to all of the nationalities concerned. Therefore, people tends to say, "yes, we all look same!" as opposed to "yeah, they just all look same, I can't tell them apart, they all have similar faces!", which will alleviate the offences they created by lumping all asian ethnicities.

[Please go and have a look at alllooksame.com by dyske]

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There is a project compiling the modern chinese faces prior to the mass population influxes in East Asia in 20th century caused by Japanese and western colonization of part of china, massive immigrations of chinese to vietnam, and south east asia. We will post up both Japanese and Chinese faces to see the differences in facial looks.

Han Chinese
Name: Chen Duxiu (1879–1942), founder of Chinese Communist Party (Anhui Patriotic Association), Controversial figure as he stayed in Japan for a while. Later became Trotskyist
Birthplaces: Anhui (Central China)
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-2.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Togo Heihachiro, An admiral, A national hero in Japan-Russo War
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Togo_in_Europe.jpg

Han Chinese
Name: Li Dazhao (1888-1927), Chinese intellectual who cofounded the Communist Party of China with Chen Duxiu in 1921. Studied Political Economy at Waseda University.
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-3.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Katsu Kaishu, Admiral of the Shogun's fleet
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kanrin8.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske.

Han Chinese
Name: Wang Ming (1904-1974) a senior leader of the early Chinese Communist Party (CCP)
Birthplace: Anhui
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
Lineage: Unknown
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/289613898814.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Okubo Toshimichi, Revolutionary, A founder of Meiji Government
Born in Kagoshima, Southernmost Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/0005_r.jpg

[Goldiegirl]

I am unsure how to take your comments...so let me try to clarify myself. I never thought all Japanese looked alike just as I would never say all African- americans look alike or Irish all look alike. My point was I was told by Japanese that they thought my fiance who is Japanese did NOT look like a TYPICAL Japanese. Those weren't my sentiments and I actually did not know how to take their comments. My question back to them would have been "Do you look like a typical Japanese?", but as I was a guest I just smiled politely and figured it must be important to them if they felt the need to tell me what their opinions on my fiance's looks were. Maybe someone out on Jref could tell me why everyone thought it was important to take me aside and tell me about my fiance's looks?

[mingo]

There is a project compiling the modern chinese faces prior to the mass population influxes in East Asia in 20th century caused by Japanese and western colonization of part of china, massive immigrations of chinese to vietnam, and south east asia. We will post up both Japanese and Chinese faces to see the differences in facial looks.

the dress(the time pic were taken), the background(e.g. grown near the shore or inland), the lifestyle, diet of people have a much larger influence on people, like the pics u posted, they are just early chinese communist party leaders, yes, they are definitely look like ordinary chinese.. but I was wondering do all japanese looks as handsome as these admirals in fancy dresses (if u did ur research with that altitude(select favored and discard disfavored), then I may have a doubt in the data you presented)
a few pics, it might give u a different point of view. (as you can see, mustache is quite popular at that time, just like hitler's mustache was quite popular in Japanese military during WWII)
yuan shi kai (high govenment official during Qing Dynasty, 1st president of Republic of china (1012-1916) self declared emperor of chinese empire(for 83 days)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Yuan_Shi-Kai.jpg
Cao Kun
warlord
president of Republic of China 1922-1924
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Cao_kun.jpg
Xu shi chang
warlord
president of Republic of China 1918-1922
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Xu_shichang.jpg
Feng Guozhang
warlord
president of Republic of China 1917-1918
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Fengguozhang.jpg
Duan qirui
warlord
president of Republic of China 1924-1926
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/DuanQirui.jpg
cai e
warlord
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/20051116164429992d8.jpg
zhang zuoling
warlord
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/426px-Zhangzuolin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Zhang_Zuolin2.jpg
luxun (Zhou Shuren)
famous writer (studied in Japan from 1904-1909)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/xinsrc_281102281104239189231.jpg

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the dress(the time pic were taken), the background(e.g. grown near the shore or inland), the lifestyle, diet of people have a much larger influence on people, like the pics u posted, they are just early chinese communist party leaders, yes, they are definitely look like ordinary chinese.. but I was wondering do all japanese looks as handsome as these admirals in fancy dresses (if u did ur research with that altitude(select favored and discard disfavored), then I may have a doubt in the data you presented)


Your images are quiet new to me. Those are the best contributions I have seen recently. mingo, you seem to have chinese background, since it will be tough to find those pictures for non-chinese. Whatever your point/issue is, your continuing contribution should be recognized with respect.

I will add another quote of the well-informed poster from the dead thread on other forum. This seems to be as good as your images, and perhaps, you can see some similarity in the skulls.

please compare to alllooksame.com


Researchers are always trying to find out what ancient people looked like. Forensic facial reconstruction offers one method. The following are two separate reconstructions of what Kennewick Man (an early American whose skull resembles those from Jomon populations) may have looked like.

Reconstruction for National Geographic

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ba5717bb.jpg

What is immediatedly noticeable are the eyes which are deep set in the skull and the nose which is fairly large. These are traits that have consistently survived in the phenotypes of widely separated groups such as the Ainu/Jomon, Moriori, South Japan, Zalavar, and Easter Island groups over long periods of time.

Modern Japanese and Jomon people are not identical. However within the modern population of Japan there are those Japanese who exhibit facial features such as deep set eyes and large noses that are also evident in Jomon skulls. About 40% (give or take a few %) of Japanese inherit at least some of their DNA from Jomon ancestors such as the Y-specific Alu insert (YAP+ chromosomes). Therefore it would be logical to assume that Jomon traits such as deep set eyes and high nose bridges are also inherited from Jomon populations. In any event these traits would tend to make the individual possessing them resemble the Jomon people to a certain extent.


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[mingo]

Your images are quiet new to me. Those are the best contributions I have seen recently. mingo, you seem to have chinese background, since it will be tough to find those pictures for non-chinese. Whatever your point/issue is, your continuing contribution should be recognized with respect.
I will add another quote of the well-informed poster from the dead thread on other forum. This seems to be as good as your images, and perhaps, you can see some similarity in the skulls.
please compare to alllooksame.com
Please compare to alllooksame.comalso, most of your data is based on Average, however, Varience is a much important aspect u need to look into. e.g let's say chinese have a mean of 150, with a varience +/-30, so 95% of the chinese is around 90~210 range, on another hand, Japanese may have a mean of 180 with a varience of 20 (smaller varience due to relative homogeneous population), so 95% of Japanese is around 140~220 range.
you may use the J from 220 compare to C at lower 100 and make a really significant differerce out of it.. but to most ppl, what they were confused was the part from 140~210 in which most of chinese and japanese overlap each other, even though there are still 30 points diffenerce in average between 2 group
I can't deny that there are difference between J an C, but just a reminder, becareful with the Data you are using and the conclusion you may mislead ppl to..
e.g. a friend of mine, 100% chinese, born and raised in shanghai, spent few yrs in the states, it's really hard to tell that he look like chinese though, that's few "outlier" in our data we may encounter in our everyday life
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/bf342321.jpg

PS: I find the pics on WIKI

[Mrjones]

I might also add "be it joke or whatever", I also think this is very important.

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also, most of your data is based on Average, however, Varience is a much important aspect u need to look into.

No that's not how you should look at multivariate statistics. Principal component analysis is the analysis on both mean and (co-)variances. Distances clustering also do not suffer much biases due to outliers, since it's common practice to exclude the anomaly from the samples on study.
Perhaps, you can scroll cursor back to the earlier posts of mine. Craniofacial analyses are developed and researched by the two famous Harvard anthropology, Brown, and Braces. Practically, these methodologies can encompass all your concerns.
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Jomon Japanese
Taisuke Itagaki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Taisuke_Itagaki_4.jpg
Chinese
cai e
warlord
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/20051116164429992d8.jpg
Ainu Japanese
Ainu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ainu2.jpg
Chinese
Cao Kun
warlord
president of Republic of China 1922-1924
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Cao_kun.jpg
Jomon Japanese
Minakata Kumagusu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/MinakataKumagusu-1.jpg
Chinese
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/Zhang_Zuolin2.jpg
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Regarding the modern people's faces, I have a doubt on the idea of citing from 21st century. Shanghai is, as you know, the city practically governed by many foreign powers (including UK, Germany, France, Japan, and other western powers) for quiet a long time. Korean case is quiet similar, since they have been controlled by Japanese for many years, and intermixing rate was quiet high during the time of annexations. Japan seems to have had significant inflows from china during the difficult time of 19th century, and give refugess and modern education to knowledge thirsty chinese.

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A few more images to illustrate the all look same

Jomon JapaneseItagaki Taisuke, politician
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Taisuke_Itagaki_4-1.jpg

Chinese
Zhou Enlai, Premier of People's Republic of China
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/433d92be-1.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Mutu Ryouko, wife of foreign minister
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ryouko.jpg

Chinese
Ruan Lingyu, actress
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-1.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Akiyama Saneyuki, admiral
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Akiyama_Saneyuki.jpg

Chinese
Zhu de, A founder of the Chinese Red Army
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Zhu-de.jpg

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[taeter_tot]

only identical twins/triplets/quandruplets ALL LOOK SAME,don't you think :souka:

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For those unfamiliar with ancient Japanese history of Jomon and Yayoi ethnicity of Jomon People, here is a nice link to the reference.

The Emishi: What Anthropology tells us (http://www.emishi-ezo.net/emishi_anthro.html)

The author argues that the Kofun people have characteristics of both Yayoi and Jomon peoples. The Kofun skeletons are taken from both the Tohoku and Kanto, and surprisingly, they show that the Kanto Kofun types are closely matched to the Tohoku sample, though the Tohoku sample from Miyagi prefecture veers a little more towards the Jomon than the Kanto sample; however they form one group. The conclusion from this study is that the Emishi (or at least the remains of people who lived in the areas where they had lived) were related to both the Ainu and the Japanese, but were neither. We can add to this the evidence from other studies that they also lived in proximity to the Jomon, and included them in their group. Therefore, adding these two together we see for the first time the true face of the Emishi people as a group consisting of 1) Kofun and 2) Jomon people.

http://emishi-ezo.net/emishi_anthro_files/image002.jpg

What is definitely known is that to contemporary Emishi and Japanese, the Emishi were seen as one group not two. That is, contrary to a number of modern revisionist accounts, the Emishi were not seen as being composed of disparate ethnic groups in alliance with each other. One revisionist account sees Tungusic Emishi in alliance with Ainu, a total fabrication based solely upon the premise I will deal with in a later essay, that the Ainu ancestors could not have challenged the Yamato state (2002:42). Also, there is no evidence that the Emishi was a competing Japanese state that combined the Jomon people (read Ainu ancestors) who were lead by the Mononobe clan who fled the Kinai after their defeat. This theory has been totally discredited as have other similar ones. The problem is lack of evidence for these scenarios. There is only evidence that the Emishi spoke an Ainoid tongue (ultimately itself a Jomon language), and that they were one group composed of Jomon and mixed Jomon people, and were not Japanese. It is consistent with the anthropological evidence that this group’s population was changing through the close settlement of Yayoi people, but nevertheless was basically a Jomon population with pre-Japanese cultural roots.

There are some nice reading materials on this topic too.

Farris, William Wayne. Heavenly Warriors: The Evolution of Japan’s Military: 500-1300 (Harvard University press, 1996).

Nagaoka, Osamu. Kodai Togoku Monogatari (Kadokawa Shoten, Tokyo:1986).

Niino, Naoyoshi. “Emishi kuni no Jitusuzo” in Emishi no Sekai (Yamakawa, Tokyo: 1991).

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only identical twins/triplets/quandruplets ALL LOOK SAME,don't you think :souka:

That's not how "alllooksame" is meant in alllooksame.com.

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Notion of alllooksame (ALL LOOK SAME) can be a joke, but its unintended impact is neither innocuous, nor negligible. WE all should rethink the site, and ask ourselves if we can be free of racism by mocking and joking about other races that we don't belong to.

Here is a good article on the concept of alllooksame (alllooksame.com).

Source, in case you wonder, is Here (http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/blog/archives/2004/11/my_new_boyfrien.html).

Generally I am opinionated, but I don't think that my opinions make me an "expert" on anything and everything Asian American. Especially not something like this.

I took the test finally and I only missed a few-- what that says about me, I don't know. I also find the site amusing, but it does worry me that some people might take it seriously.

In any case, I haven't been able to find the article online (I am at the airport, so I'm not trying too hard to look), but here's the article from the Montreal Gazette. Enjoy:

Montreal Gazette
Wednesday, November 3, 2004
Page: A19
Section: News
Byline: MISTY HARRIS
Source: CanWest News Service

Among young Asian-Canadians, it's wryly called the yellow man's burden. In Hollywood movies like Rush Hour, it's the punchline for any number of
jokes.

Now the notion that all Asians look alike is the basis for a Web site.

AllLookSame.com, a controversial site that asks "what's the difference?" when it comes to Asian faces, has already attracted more than 1.3 million visitors.

But experts question whether AllLookSame - headed by a Japanese American - is not actually encouraging the stereotypes it sets out to parody.

"What's offensive is the idea of detaching race from ethnicity, identifying people in the absence of ways of speaking, acting or dressing," says Thomas Lamarre, professor of East Asian studies at McGill University.

"There are real physical differences between people; they just don't correspond with national categories neatly. Certain Japanese may look Chinese, whatever that means, and certain Chinese may look Thai because the borders don't correspond with ethnic groupings."

The centrepiece of AllLookSame is a quiz in which 18 photographs are shown and the user must determine who is Korean, Japanese and Chinese.

According to the site's Webmaster, Dyske Suematsu, the quiz is "ultimately a joke," but at the same time is designed to be "a celebration of the similarities and the differences among Asians."

In North American society, "publicly admitting that you cannot tell Asians apart comes across sounding racist or prejudiced," writes Suematsu, a graphic designer based in New York. "But with this site, knowing it was created by an Asian man, (Westerners) finally felt safe to admit what they had been feeling."

Suematsu defines two categories of visitors to AllLookSame: those who can't tell Asians apart and feel badly about it, and those who are convinced they can tell Asians apart by comparing them to images in such films as Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Lamarre's concern lies not in those specific distinctions but in the selection of the 18 photos used to typify each nationality.

"Who decides what Chinese looks like? Some scientists somewhere could do research and come up with statistical measurements of cranium or different kinds of epicanthic folds. But in this case, it's just someone somewhere deciding that there are these general distributions."

Sean Metzger, an Asian pop-culture expert and lecturer at Duke University, thinks the very existence of AllLookSame raises important questions about racial paradigms. But in not following up on those key issues, he says the site fails to make its point.

"Whether your intention is to dismantle a stereotype or not, just by invoking it, you immediately perpetuate it," Metzger says. "(The site) doesn't talk about how the stereotype emerged historically, what type of power dynamics keep it in place - all of the things needed to be useful anti-racist education."

Melissa Hung, editor-in-chief of the Asian-American magazine Hyphen, is amused by the popular site, worrying only that "someone could take the test, score terribly, and go away thinking that all Asians do look alike."

She reads Suematsu's site as pure parody, with the underlying message people can't accurately be judged by outward appearances.

"I'd like to see a site with white people and see if anyone can tell the difference between Germans, Brits, the French, and white Americans," Hung jokes. "Frankly, all those frat boys in their khakis and polos look kind of the same."

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[mingo]

No that's not how you should look at multivariate statistics. Principal component analysis is the analysis on both mean and (co-)variances. Distances clustering also do not suffer much biases due to outliers, since it's common practice to exclude the anomaly from the samples on study.
Perhaps, you can scroll cursor back to the earlier posts of mine. Craniofacial analyses are developed and researched by the two famous Harvard anthropology, Brown, and Braces. Practically, these methodologies can encompass all your concerns.
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I began to wonder if you understand the meaning of Varience... well, if you understand statistics, I guess you won't try that stupid photo comparison again.. I know, I know, it's hard for someone to admit their mistakes, well, how about learn some Japanese and chinese first, and let's resume this discusion 20 yrs later..


warlord
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/whatever001/20051116164429992d8.jpg
Ainu Japanese
Ainu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ainu2.jpg
Chinese
Cao Kun
warlord

Ainu Japanese vs chinese?.. that just showed that you have no idea about most of the minority groups in east asia. maybe you will use American Indian vs mexicans on your post if there is a discussion about Americans

A few more images to illustrate the all look same
Jomon JapaneseItagaki Taisuke, politician
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Taisuke_Itagaki_4-1.jpg

Jomon Japanese in B/W photoes!! you are so funny, can you get me a pic of prehistorically chinese too. :p

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I began to wonder if you understand the meaning of Varience...

Then define it. I would be grateful if you can be more specific.... I remember I cited PCA... Principal component analysis is a part of multivariate statistics dealing with "variance-co-variance matrix" ("not varience", as you spelled wrongly.). Please explain to me what's that about my understanding on elementary statistics(?).
I know, I know, it's hard for someone to admit their mistakes, well, how about learn some Japanese and chinese first, and let's resume this discusion 20 yrs later..
At least tell me what's the mistake I've done. It would be very interesting to know. Sometimes, chinese people has a really nice thing to tell.
For further illustrations, let me post more images for comparisons.
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yomimono03_01.jpg
Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/ZhengWentian.jpg
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/mutu.jpg
Chinese
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/TVSoong.jpg
Ainu Japanese vs chinese?.. that just showed that you have no idea about most of the minority groups in east asia. maybe you will use American Indian vs mexicans on your post if there is a discussion about Americans
Many japanese are mixed with Ainu, and after all, Japanese jomon ethinic is a precursor of Ainu people. Much of genetics showed that Japanese are half jomon and half yayoi.
http://www.geocities.com/londonross1/china3.png
Fig. 2. Frequency distributions of the eight Y-chromosome haplotypes for the 14 global populations, with their approximate geographic locations. The frequencies of the eight haplotypes are shown as colored pie charts (for color codes, see upper left insert). JP Japanese
Only four Japanese populations exhibited ht1 (defined only by YAP+) at various frequencies (also see Table 1). The highest frequency (87.5%) was found in JP-Ainu, followed by JP-Okinawa (55.6%) living in the southwestern islands of Japan, JP-Honshu (36.6%), and JP-Kyushu (27.9%). The ht2 haplotype (defined by YAP+/M15+) was found in only two males, one each from Thais and Thai-Khmers; ht3 (defined by YAP+/SRY4064-A) was completely absent in the Asian populations examined, whereas Jewish in the Uzbekistan and African populations had this haplotype with a frequency of 28.3% and 100%, respectively. Thus, the YAP+ lineage was found in restricted populations among Asian populations, consistent with previous reports (Hammer and Horai 1995; Hammer et al. 1997; Shinka et al. 1999).
The ht4 haplotype (defined only by M9-G) was widely distributed among north, east, and southeast Asian populations, except for the Ainu. This haplotype was frequent (60.5%) in overall Asian populations (Table 1). Among them, the Han Chinese and southeast Asian populations were characterized by high frequencies ranging from 81.0% to 96.0%. In contrast to ht4, ht5 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A) and ht6 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A/SRY10831-A) were small contributors to Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht5 was observed in Nivkhi (19.0%) and that of the ht6 in Thai-Khmers (10.8%). The ht5 haplotype is widely distributed among European, Asian, and Native American populations and is proposed to be one of the candidates for founder haplotypes in the Americas (Karafet et al. 1999). Furthermore, high frequencies of ht6 were observed in north Europe, central Asia, and India (Karafet et al. 1999). Thus, the presence of ht5 in Nivkhi may account for the founder effect of peopling of the Americas.
The ht7 haplotype (defined by RPS4Y-T) was also widely distributed throughout Asia with the exceptions of Malaysia and the Philippines, whereas this was absent in two non-Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht7 was found in Buryats (83.6%), followed by Nivkhi (38.1%). Thus, the geographic distribution of ht7 in Asia appears to contrast with that of ht4.
Only eight individuals (1.4%) in Asia belonged to ht8, which was the major haplotype in Jewish population (Table 1). The ht8 haplotype may not be useful for inferring population relatedness among Asian populations because it is defined by no mutations. Additional Y-polymorphic markers such as M89 and M168 (Underhill et al. 2000; Ke et al. 2001) will be needed to investigate details of the formation of modern Asian populations.

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An article studying facial structures of jomon/ainu japanese and chinese.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/171305898v1

Published online before print July 31, 2001, 10.1073/pnas.171305898

Old World sources of the first New World human inhabitants: A comparative craniofacial view
C. Loring Brace*,, A. Russell Nelson*,, Noriko Seguchi*, Hiroaki Oe§, Leslie Sering*, Pan Qifeng¶, Li Yongyi, and Dashtseveg Tumen**
* Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, 1109 Geddes Avenue, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; Department of Anthropology, University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY 82071; § Department of Statistics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; ¶ Institute of Archaeology, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, 27 Wangfujing Dajie, Beijing 100710, China; Department of Anatomy, Chengdu College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, 13 Xing Lo Road, Chengdu, Sichuan, People's Republic of China; and ** Department of Anthropology, Mongolian Academy of Sciences, Ulaanbaatar-51, Mongolia

Communicated by Kent V. Flannery, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, June 18, 2001 (received for review January 2, 2001)

Abstract
Human craniofacial data were used to assess the similarities and differences between recent and prehistoric Old World samples, and between these samples and a similar representation of samples from the New World. The data were analyzed by the neighbor-joining clustering procedure, assisted by bootstrapping and by canonical discriminant analysis score plots. The first entrants to the Western Hemisphere of maybe 15,000 years ago gave rise to the continuing native inhabitants south of the U.S.-Canadian border. These show no close association with any known mainland Asian population. Instead they show ties to the Ainu of Hokkaido and their Jomon predecessors in prehistoric Japan and to the Polynesians of remote Oceania. All of these also have ties to the Pleistocene and recent inhabitants of Europe and may represent an extension from a Late Pleistocene continuum of people across the northern fringe of the Old World. With roots in both the northwest and the northeast, these people can be described as Eurasian. The route of entry to the New World was at the northwestern edge. In contrast, the Inuit (Eskimo), the Aleut, and the Na-Dene speakers who had penetrated as far as the American Southwest within the last 1,000 years show more similarities to the mainland populations of East Asia. Although both the earlier and later arrivals in the New World show a mixture of traits characteristic of the northern edge of Old World occupation and the Chinese core of mainland Asia, the proportion of the latter is greater for the more recent entrants.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/pq1713058004.gif
Fig. 4. A dendrogram based on the samples used to construct Fig. 3, plus a Bronze Age Mongolian group and four others from the Western Hemisphere. (A) The neighbor-joining method was used on 1,000 bootstrap samplings to generate the pattern displayed. (B) The relationships among the groups are also displayed by canonical discriminant function scores. The first discriminant function accounts for 48% of total variation, and the second accounts for 16%.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/pq1713058005.jpg
Fig. 5. The arrows indicate the spread of Levallois point makers eastward across the northern edge of the Old World between 200,000 and 170,000 years ago; the expansion from Southeast Asia to New Guinea and Australia 60,000 years ago; the spread to the northernmost portions of the Old World and the initial entry into the New World 15,000 years ago; and population movements at both the western and eastern edges of the Old World and into the New World after the development of agriculture after the end of the Pleistocene.

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More comparisons to test alllooksame on japanese and chinese
Jomon Japanese
Kuroda Kiyotaka
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kuroda_kiyotaka.jpg
Chinese
Chen Boda
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ChenBoda.jpg
Jomon Japanese[IMG]
Yamamoto Gonnohoue
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yamamoto_gonnohoue.jpg
Chinese
K'ung Hsiang-hsi
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/8e19ac79-3.jpg
Jomon Japanese[IMG]
Naofumi Tatsumi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/NaofumiTatsumi-1.jpg
Chinese
LiuZhengrong
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/LiuZhengrong.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
natsume soseki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/natsumesoseki-2.jpg

Chinese
Peng Dehuai
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/PengDehuai.jpg

Jomon Japanese
shozan sakuma
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Shozan_Sakuma.jpg


Chinese
Deng Xixian
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/DengXixian.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Taneomi Soejima
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/TaneomiSoejima.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-2.jpg
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There was an exhibition on jomon (ainu/emishi/ryukyuan) and yayoi japanese. The image below is for the event.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/jomon_yayoi-1.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, Prime Minister of Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Takaaki_Kato.jpg

Chinese
Mao Zedong
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/8e19ac79-1.jpg

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Perception of all look same can be an inherent disability to recognize the distinct class of objects.


They all the same to me (www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/inthenews/itn060324)
18 March 2006

From blanking colleagues and acquaintances, Andrew Billen knew that his face-blindness was bad — then tests revealed just how bad. …

Prosopagnosia, or face-blindness. The term was invented in 1947 by Joachim Bodamer, a German neurologist, who combined the Greek for face with the medical term for recognition impairment, agnosia, and a handful of scientists have been investigating the syndrome ever since. …


I have had prosopagnosia diagnosed. …

To you, I appear rude, stand-offish, solipsistic or, as a colleague says, “a typical man”. Yet once I have satisfied myself as to who you are, I am really quite good at remembering your life stories and children’s names. Put it this way: it makes parties difficult.

The other day I caught the subject being discussed on the regional news by Dr Brad Duchaine [UCL Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience]. He was looking for prosopagnosics to test. A week later I was sitting in his lab in Bloomsbury, undergoing 90 minutes of visual tests on a laptop. In the first few quizzes I was shown 50 pictures, first of houses, then cars and, finally, slightly bizarrely, toy horses. Ten of these in each test would be shown twice and I had to press a key when I recognised a picture I had seen previously.

It really wasn’t that difficult, but then the test was repeated with photographs of bald, jowly men of the Mitchell brothers/Bob Hoskins type. … I tried to note particular characteristics – dimples, enlarged noses – but they all looked much the same to me. I was lost.

“Now, you see, control groups of non-prosopagnosics find all these tests really easy,” Dr Duchaine told me afterwards. “People clean up on them. My wife got only one wrong. I mean, we all make mistakes from time to time, but prosopagnosics do so much more often. They also over-recognise people; greet people they have never met.” …
Dr Duchaine has been researching the syndrome for ten years. At the beginning he thought the problem quite rare, but has found it to be more common. …

There is evidence, Dr Duchaine says, that face recognition involves particularly the brain’s right hemisphere, popularly thought to be the intuitive, holistic side. Prosopagnosia is a result of an impairment to a mechanism that specifically identifies faces, which is why I could tell the cars, houses and horses apart. His hunch is that there is no one cause for it, that, indeed, prosopagnosia may actually be being used as an umbrella term for several distinct conditions. Acquired prosopagnosia, for instance, is caused by head injury or brain illness. …

Recognising faces must have been a useful evolutionary skill, I said. He agreed but pointed out that it is becoming ever more demanding. Centuries ago when we lived in small communities, you might need to identify 200 faces in a lifetime. Today, in cities and thanks to television, we might see that number in a day. If you can’t recognise them, there is no cure. …

And there was one test I was really terrible at. I had to identify celebrity faces shorn of their hair. I knew I had not done well, failing to recognise even the first one, which was of Dr Duchaine, and I had only just met him. I also drew a blank with both Beckhams, Prince William and Einstein. I thought Kate Moss was Natalie Portman and Arnie Schwarzenegger was Jim Carrey. Save for the brain-damaged, Dr Duchaine had never met someone so rubbish at this test. Interesting, I said, given my job. “Which is?” he asked. Celebrity interviewer, I said. And I had interviewed Arnie twice.

Andrew Billen, ‘The Times’, 18 March 2006

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Jomon Japanese
Kaneko, Kentaro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kaneko_kentaro.jpg

Chinese
Name: Wang Ming (1904-1974) a senior leader of the early Chinese Communist Party (CCP)
Birthplace: Anhui
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/289613898814.jpg

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More images to illustrate all look same
Jomon Japanese
Shimanuki Hyodayu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/shimanuki_hyoudayu.jpg
Chinese
Wang Jingwei, Chinese politician and leader
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wang_Jingwei.jpg
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Jomon Japanese
Soga Sukenori
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/soga_sukenori.jpg

Chinese
Wu TingFang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wu_Tingfang.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Fujita Kotaro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Fujita_Kotaro.jpg

Chinese
Li Yuanhong
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Li_Yuanhong2.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Li_Yuanhong.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Tanaka Jihei
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Tanaka_Jihei.jpg

Chinese
Bai Chongxi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/200px-Bai-Chongxi.jpg
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Jomon Japanese
Shigematsu Midori
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Shigematsu_Midori.jpg

Chinese
Wellington Koo
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/180px-Wellington_Koo.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Komura Jutaro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yomimono03_01.jpg

Chinese
Feng Yuxiang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Feng_Yuxiang.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Kuroki Tamemoto
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kuroki_tamemoto.jpg

Chinese
Kao Lin Wei
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/150px-Kao_Lin-wei.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Kuroda Kiyotaka, Prime Minister of Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kuroda_kiyotaka.jpg

Chinese
Jiyao Tang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Jiyao_Tang.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Shimanuki Hyoudayu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/shimanuki_hyoudayu.jpg

Chinese
Yan Xishan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Yan_Xishan.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Katu Kaishu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kanrin8.jpg

Chinese
Name: Chen Duxiu (1879–1942), founder of Chinese Communist Party (Anhui Patriotic Association)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-2.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Wife of Mutsu Munemitsu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ryouko.jpg

Chinese
Li Zongren
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/180px-Li_Zongren.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Taisuke Itagaki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Taisuke_Itagaki_4-1.jpg

Chinese
Bai Chongxi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/200px-Bai-Chongxi.jpg

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It is sometimes technically difficult to see certain "Jomon-ness" in all japanese, as there has been massive immigrations into japan from the poor nations like korea and china. Evaluating Japanese faces aren't easy task, and I am not going to exaggerate that you can spot japanese with absolute certainty. On the contrary, Japanese "jomon people, ainu people, emishi people, ryukyu people" are highly mixed with continental migrants over the years. There is usually a sign for japanese to have certain features uncommon in chinese and korean, but it won't be possible if the person's grand-grand father and mother came from korea and china, and grew up like the rest of japanese people.

For a guide to observe the differences, let me cite the konnyaku's analysis.


1) Japanese tend to have a more pronounced facial topography (i.e., a rather "bumpy" or "projecting" look to the face, such as around the eyebrows, rather than the smooth and flat contours of Chinese or Koreans)

2) Japanese tend to have a more perceptually salient nose. This can be either more salient in simply the degree of projection from the surface of the face, or more salient in terms of the total volume of the nose (i.e., including the width). In general, Japanese seem to exhibit a much greater variety of nose sizes and shapes than do continental East Asians, and I have met many Japanese who even have "bumpy" noses with several bulges and constrictions in the contour of the nose, as I have otherwise only observed in Europeans. Chinese and Koreans appear to have only smooth-contoured noses, regardless of whether they are flat and broad (as is common in southern Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.) or narrow and slightly projecting. This feature is particularly relevant for distinguishing Japanese men from Chinese or Korean men, because women of every nationality tend to be rather paedomorphic when it comes to their noses.

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Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/0005_r.jpg

Chinese
Wang Jingwei
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wang_Jingwei.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, Prime minister of Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Takaaki_Kato.jpg

Chinese
Chen Boda
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ChenBoda.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
shimanuki hyoudayu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/shimanuki_hyoudayu.jpg
Chinese
Li Dazhao
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-3.jpg

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Let me cite konnyaku's analysis, as I included parts of it in a post above.


3) Japanese people tend to have a diminutive lower facial region. They often have small jaws, which may be the direct cause of their propensity for having poor alignment of the teeth. Continental East Asians, on the other hand, seem to have huge jaws, flaring malars (cheekbones), and a generally large and imposing lower face when viewed from a Caucasian perspective.

4) Japanese people often have rather translucent skin, similar to that of Europeans, when they are not tanned. Therefore, Japanese people often have rosy cheeks and a generally healthy-looking complexion. When they do tan, they tend to take on a reddish-brown color. The Chinese and Koreans, on the other hand, are almost all cream- or beige-colored ("pasty") from the start, and they have completely opaque skin, so that it is impossible for them to have rosy cheeks and they always look sort of sickly unless they are tanned, in which case they take on a yellow-brown color.


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More analysis by konnyaku.

As for distinguishing Chinese and Koreans by sight, I think it is quite difficult, but not impossible. They both have a propensity for big faces with a smoothly rounded outline, but Koreans tend to be more extreme in the width of their faces, so that they often have a nearly circular look, whereas Chinese tend to have more elliptical faces when viewed directly from the front.


This roundness of the faces have been proven by several cranial studies posted earlier on this thread.


Chinese also more frequently have double eyelids and larger eyes that seem to bulge out of their (flat) sockets. Korean people tend to have very small eyes and no eyelid creases.


Images posted shows that chinese tends to have the bigger eyes with flat sockets.


Among East Asians, Chinese people also have a peculiar tendency towards prognathism, so that they often have bulging mouths that look somewhat reminiscent of black Africans. The big, bulgy eyes and mouth that appear so frequently among Chinese people seem to me to suggest some sort of affinity with populations of Southeast Asia. Also, I'm not totally sure about this, but I have a hunch that Koreans more frequently have a sort of oily shine to their skin, whereas Chinese people's skin tends to be more dull and dry-looking.

Many chinese indeed has this similarity to south east asian people, and some chinese does look no different from south east asian people, while look of others do look somehow mutated by the colder weathers up in the north of yellow river, and by long-time invasions by mongols and consequent stealing of chinese wives.

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Let me cite Maciamo's analysis again to further illustrate alllooksame-ness of Japanese, Korean, and Chinese.

I insist that it's very possible to tell the difference between East Asians, for I have been several times to Korea and live in Japan. I flew quite a few times in planes composed half of Japanese and half of Korean and even flight attendant can usually tell the difference when they address someone (they have to know whether to speak in Korean or Japanese and rarely mistake). It is absolutely normal that Japanese can't tell the difference since most of them have never really thought about it or haven't been to Korea or China.


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More images to illustrate alllooksame.

Jomon Japanese
mutsu munemitsu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/mutu.jpg

Chinese
wellington koo
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/180px-Wellington_Koo.jpg

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More images to illustrate alllooksame

Jomon Japanese
Harada Masayoshi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Harada_Masayoshi.jpg

Chinese
Zheng Wentian
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/ZhengWentian.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Kato Hiroyuki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kato_hiroyuki.jpg

Chinese
Liu Zhengrong
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/LiuZhengrong.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Kawamura Sumiyoshi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Kawamura_Sumiyoshi.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/8e19ac79-2.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Shimada Saburo
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Shimada_Saburo.jpg

Chinese
Wu Tingfang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wu_Tingfang.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Tokishige Hatsukuma
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Tokishige_Hatsukuma.jpg

Chinese
Wang Jingwei
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wang_Jingwei.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Watanabe Tatsugoro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Watanabe_Tatsugoro.jpg

Chinese
Li Yuanhong
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Li_Yuanhong.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Togo Heihachiro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Togo_in_Europe.jpg

Chinese
Name: Chen Duxiu (1879–1942), founder of Chinese Communist Party (Anhui Patriotic Association)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/244bdbac-2.jpg

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Let me give you another quote of the konnyaku's analysis.

I'm a white American guy, and even I can tell Japanese people apart from other Asians.

To put it bluntly, most Japanese persons look like the hybrid offspring of a pair consisting of an East Asian and a southern European (Greek or Jew?). That's not to say that the Japanese are closely related to any extant European population; in fact, I am almost certain that they are very distant from each other in terms of line of descent. The fact remains, however, that morphologically at least, Japanese people have a relatively high incidence of certain physical traits that are extremely rare among other East Asian populations. I think this is likely to be due to "shared retention" by the ancestors of the Europeans and the Japanese aborigines of a certain suite of physical traits that was typical of the original Eurasians, while the ancestors of continental East Asians underwent several severe changes to their skeletal (and especially facial) morphology during their most recent stage of evolution. This scenario seems to be supported by the fact that ancient skeletons of modern humans found anywhere in Eurasia, and even the oldest human skeletons found in the Americas, all appear to possess rather Caucasoid morphology, and skeletons that exhibit the prototypical features of the Mongoloid race appear only later in the archaeological record.

I rarely have any difficulty distinguishing Japanese from Chinese or Koreans, but the continentals can be a troublesome bunch.

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Jomon Japanese
Tokishige Hatsukumsa
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Tokishige_Hatsukuma.jpg

Chinese
Bai Chongxi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/200px-Bai-Chongxi.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Akiyama Saneyuki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Akiyama_Saneyuki.jpg

Chinese
Feng Yuxiang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Feng_Yuxiang.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, prime minister of japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Takaaki_Kato.jpg

Chinese
Li Zongren
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/180px-Li_Zongren.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Shigematsu Midori
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Shigematsu_Midori.jpg

Chinese
Wang Ming
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/289613898814.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
yamamoto gonnohoue, Prime minister of Japan
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yamamoto_gonnohoue-1.jpg

Chinese
Jiyao Tang
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Jiyao_Tang.jpg

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Let me shuffle the pictures so that you can compare with as many variations as possible.
Jomon Japanese
Nozu Michitsura
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Nozu_Michitsura.jpg
Chinese
Wang Jinwei
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wang_Jingwei.jpg
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Jomon Japanese
Shimanuki Hyoudayu
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/shimanuki_hyoudayu.jpg

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I have not shown any modern person's faces, since I can never be sure whether the person is mixed with caucasoid. The following images are my speculation on what jomons to look like in modern days. Beware that these images are more of my subjective views in contrast to my other contributions.

Jomon Japanese
Hirai Ken
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/hirai-1.jpg
Jomon Japanese
Yamazaki Kenji
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yamazaki_kenji-2.jpg
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/MM-M98-0044.jpg
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/2006051900102-1.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/0005_ra-1.jpg
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Please beware that selections of images on modern japanese people are mere guesses.

Jomon Japanese
Abe hiroshi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/abe_hiroshi.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/abe_hiroshi2.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Ken Watanabe
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ken_watanabe.jpg

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Jomon Japanese
Tamaki Hiroshi
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/tamaki_hiroshi.jpg
Jomon Japanese
Kenjiroh Tateyama
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kenjiroh_tateyama.jpg

Jomon Japanese
tsumoto sakai
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/tsumoto_sakai.jpg

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With the new images from modern japan, let me cite konnyaku's brilliant analysis once more.


1) Japanese tend to have a more pronounced facial topography (i.e., a rather "bumpy" or "projecting" look to the face, such as around the eyebrows, rather than the smooth and flat contours of Chinese or Koreans)
.


2) Japanese tend to have a more perceptually salient nose. This can be either more salient in simply the degree of projection from the surface of the face, or more salient in terms of the total volume of the nose (i.e., including the width). In general, Japanese seem to exhibit a much greater variety of nose sizes and shapes than do continental East Asians, and I have met many Japanese who even have "bumpy" noses with several bulges and constrictions in the contour of the nose, as I have otherwise only observed in Europeans. Chinese and Koreans appear to have only smooth-contoured noses, regardless of whether they are flat and broad (as is common in southern Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.) or narrow and slightly projecting. This feature is particularly relevant for distinguishing Japanese men from Chinese or Korean men, because women of every nationality tend to be rather paedomorphic when it comes to their noses.
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3) Japanese people tend to have a diminutive lower facial region. They often have small jaws, which may be the direct cause of their propensity for having poor alignment of the teeth. Continental East Asians, on the other hand, seem to have huge jaws, flaring malars (cheekbones), and a generally large and imposing lower face when viewed from a Caucasian perspective.

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Please beware that selections of modern japanese are fully subjective, and not rely on scientific measures as applied to my other contributions.

Jomon Japanese
Sawamura Kazuki
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sawamura_kazuki.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sawamura_kazuki2.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sawamura_kazuki3.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/tokugawa_sawamura.jpg

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Please beware that selections of modern japanese are fully subjective, and not rely on scientific measures as applied to my other contributions.

Jomon Japanese
Sakaguchi Kenji
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sakaguchi_kenji.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sakaguchi_kenji2.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Ukaji
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ukaji2.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Yasuoka Rikiya
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/YASUOKA_rikiya.gif

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I forgot including the final point of konnyaku. Here, you can see it with the newly updated images above.


4) Japanese people often have rather translucent skin, similar to that of Europeans, when they are not tanned. Therefore, Japanese people often have rosy cheeks and a generally healthy-looking complexion. When they do tan, they tend to take on a reddish-brown color. The Chinese and Koreans, on the other hand, are almost all cream- or beige-colored ("pasty") from the start, and they have completely opaque skin, so that it is impossible for them to have rosy cheeks and they always look sort of sickly unless they are tanned, in which case they take on a yellow-brown color.

As for distinguishing Chinese and Koreans by sight, I think it is quite difficult, but not impossible. They both have a propensity for big faces with a smoothly rounded outline, but Koreans tend to be more extreme in the width of their faces, so that they often have a nearly circular look, whereas Chinese tend to have more elliptical faces when viewed directly from the front. Chinese also more frequently have double eyelids and larger eyes that seem to bulge out of their (flat) sockets. Korean people tend to have very small eyes and no eyelid creases. Among East Asians, Chinese people also have a peculiar tendency towards prognathism, so that they often have bulging mouths that look somewhat reminiscent of black Africans. The big, bulgy eyes and mouth that appear so frequently among Chinese people seem to me to suggest some sort of affinity with populations of Southeast Asia. Also, I'm not totally sure about this, but I have a hunch that Koreans more frequently have a sort of oily shine to their skin, whereas Chinese people's skin tends to be more dull and dry-looking.

Please compare to alllooksame.com

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In my earlier post, I stated the three reasons for failing to recognize the differences between japanese and chinese.
Surely, if your eyes are used to Asian people, you shouldn't have problems to see the varieties.
Reptitions of seeing objects enfornce brains to see the differences amongst similar objects. There are really three fundamental reasons for people who cannot differentiate the distinct objects:
(1) Inherited recognition deficiencies
(2) Lower IQ, and clear lack of abilities in mental focuses
(3) Absolute indifference to the objects concerned (people sometimes calls it, racism. but you may not agree)
Nationality is really decieving, as half of japanese shares the continental origins, and about 10 percent of koreans have north asian, mongolian stocks. Therefore, I will add another factor for thinking "all look same".
(4) Annoyance of spotting wrong nationality, ethinicity. and annoyance to the political correctness.
In reality, people asserting (4) knows that it can be offensive to all of the nationalities concerned. Therefore, people tends to say, "yes, we all look same!" as opposed to "yeah, they just all look same, I can't tell them apart, they all have similar faces!", which will alleviate the offences they created by lumping all asian ethnicities.
[Please go and have a look at alllooksame.com by dyske]
Now, I have no problems to add "just a joke" for one of the reasons. Most important point is that people shouldn't believe the propaganda of certain ethnicity. Some chinese has a dream of becoming a japanese, or make japanese chinese people. Korean doesn't want to be chinese, but japanese, and then, this is a game only japanese would lose if somebody perpetuates the perception of alllooksame.

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Give you a few more images on jomon japanese (selected from modern japanese.)

Jomon Japanese
Motoki Masahiro
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/motoki_masahiro.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/motoki_masahiro2.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/motoki_masahiro3.jpg

Anyway, I will run out of the images soon. Then, it would be nice if anyone could add more images.

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I found more images of jomon japanese.

Jomon (Ainu) Japanese
OKI, musician
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/OKI.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sunazawa.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/kuma04.jpg

Jomon(Ainu) Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/2.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske

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Because of 40 years of japanese colonizations in korea, 2-3% of korean seems to be interbred with japanese jomon nationals. This is confirmed by Y-chromosome genetic studies. It was perhaps natural that ruling japanese males have more opportunities to mate with local korean females.

Here I will list up the faces that are considered more common in korean population, comparing to jomon japanese.

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/d0045458_2237312.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Hiraiken.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/natu002.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/sweetbitterlifebyon1.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/200601190000141top_peo_b.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Kim_dong_wan.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske

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Because of 40 years of japanese colonizations in korea, 2-3% of korean seems to be interbred with japanese jomon nationals. This is confirmed by Y-chromosome genetic studies. It was perhaps natural that ruling japanese males have more opportunities to mate with local korean females. The same can be said with certain chinese born in manchuria, and coastal china, since japanese military presences should have affected chinese demography.

Here I will list up the faces that are considered more common in korean population, comparing to jomon japanese.
Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/4552_image3.jpg
Jomon Japanese
Nagase Tomoya
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/imgc5a6e5a0n9m33w.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/7301_o.jpg
Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/joonmike.jpg
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/live031222_02-1.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske

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Because of 40 years of japanese colonizations in korea, 2-3% of korean seems to be interbred with japanese jomon nationals. This is confirmed by Y-chromosome genetic studies. It was perhaps natural that ruling japanese males have more opportunities to mate with local korean females. The same can be said with certain chinese born in manchuria, and coastal china, since japanese military presences should have affected chinese demography.

Here I will list up the faces that are considered more common in chinese population, comparing to jomon japanese.

Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yu_xia_std.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yamazaki_kenji-2.jpg

Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/_1233641_chan300.jpg


Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/chang2.jpg

Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/JayceeChan_AlbumCover.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske

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Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/image.jpg
Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/187188.jpg
Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/449px-Clean_movie.jpg
Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ngai_joyce_4.jpgChinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Quxin.jpg
Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ichiro.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/ichiro-zen.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame by dyske

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I have not shown any modern person's faces, since I can never be sure whether the person is mixed with caucasoid. The following images are my speculation on what jomons to look like in modern days. Beware that these images are more of my subjective views in contrast to my other contributions.

Note that certain population (1-3% of total population) of korea and china seems to be interbred with jomon japanese during the period of japanese occupation of chinese coastal lands, manchuria, and korea. It was very natural that ruling japanese males could mate with chinese and korean females since they could financially and politically protect females during the period of chaos.

I will then list up chinese faces who seem to be most common in chinese population, and likewise with korean.

Jomon Japanese
Hirai Ken
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/hirai-1.jpg

Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Jet_Li.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Yamazaki Kenji
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/yamazaki_kenji-2.jpg

Chinese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Wuqilong.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/MM-M98-0044.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/index_09.jpg
Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/4552_image3.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske

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So, Cha Taehyun is Jomon?
I'm little perplexed about a reaction....:souka:

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Taehyun, no, he looks typical korean people as long as I observed in my visits to Seoul one year ago. Did I mistakenly type jomon japanese for one of the korean pop stars I uploaded?

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/shimanuki_hyoudayu.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/7301_o.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/Hiraiken.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/joonmike.jpg

I would like to make one point after giving images of those three ethnicities. NONE of them looks ugly like portrayed in alllooksame.com, making alllooksame a silly or sick joke to all east asians. Although Jomon japanese are distinct from korean and chinese, I do not see much benefits of being jomon Japanese after listup of good-looking chinese and korean.

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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So, Cha Taehyun is Jomon?
I'm little perplexed about a reaction....:souka:

A coffee break for you. There are many Taehyun in internet, and give you how different each Taehyun looks.

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/taehyun4.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/taehyunq2.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/texas-taehyun.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/taehyun3.jpg

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/profilephototaehyn.jpg

And... yes, this must be the one you are asking. Note that modern people isn't as easy as 19th century to spot the ethnicity, since they are all mixed up now.

Korean
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/180322024ie_taehyun.jpg

Jomon Japanese
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/imgc5a6e5a0n9m33w.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame.com

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I have done the comparisons between japanese and korean/chinese, and now want to look into the chinese vs. korean faces.



[B]Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_PARK_Ji_Sung_20020625_GH_R.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/Pax_175.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_lyk_3.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/longhui.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_buhwalldg.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/yoyomung.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_18vs29cast4.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/Keye20Luke.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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I have done the comparisons between japanese and korean/chinese, and now want to look into the chinese vs. korean faces.



[B]Chinese

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/Wang20Hailin.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_ke-wan1.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_lei_shi.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_17ym01ming.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_53581.jpg


Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_a.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_bbq02_03.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame

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Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_sung_youjin_korean_student_isuga_.jpg


Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/koreanstu-jun04.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site
Korean

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_21.jpg

Korean

Please compare to alllooksame web site
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/Seoul20Saturday20Aug201620007-e-1.jpg


Korean

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_23.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/_41760958_chunsoolee_point220.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site

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Vietnamese is in fact not outside this east asian league, since there are many stated observations on the similarity of looks between chinese and vietnamese. The following images might enlighten some racist thinking that some asians look better, or otherwise. Asians are asian, and anyone separating one another can't alter this fact. I would of course exempt Jomon Japanese from this league, since there are so many scientific evidences AGAINST the hypothesis of jomon japanese sharing the most common recent ancestor with chinese and korean.
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_VSAbig.gif
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_tu_michelle.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame web site
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_tiff.jpg
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_PICT0033.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame web site
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_NhatQuang-149-06.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame web site
Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_hoang_web.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame web site
Vietnamese
photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_21769682-S.jpg
Please compare to alllooksame web site

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Let me post a few more images on alllooksame of chinese, korean, and vietnamese.

Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/vv37.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_chick1.jpg

Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/th100_1406.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_girl.jpg

Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_38517577-M.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/chinese_students.jpg


Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_21769682-S-1.jpg

Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_a-1.jpg

Vietnamese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/v_williams.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_Su-Hyung_Jo.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_shrhee.jpg

Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_SeonjinSeo.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_tuorist.jpg
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_professor1.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_HALLLIM-1.jpg
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_hup.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_geoff.jpg
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/k_ckh.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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Japanese has multiple origins, and I can briefly categorize them into three categories.
(1) Yayoi (North East Asian) Japanese (Continental, Korean, Manchus, Mongols)
(2) Yayoi (South East Asian) Japanese (Continental, Han Chinese, Hmong, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Thais, Phillipinos)
(3) Jomon Japanese (Emishi-tohoku, Ainu-hokkaido, Kumaso-kagoshima, Ryukyuan-okinawa, and people rooted in shikoku and kanto, and others who interbreds with Yayoi. Note: Ancient Japanese Knight's class', samurai, crania were known to be much common with Ainu.)

It is really hard to tell apart the East asians, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, South East Asians, because they shared the recent parental and maternal ancestries. But distinguishing jomon japanese would hardly be a problem, and the following charts will illustrate the multiple origin of japanese people.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/W-MAP.gif
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/china3.png
Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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Jomon Japanese
Miyamoto
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/miyamoto_t.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/cty_1141_2e97ec31_s.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/ik_player_b_f4.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/report0512270001.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

Jomon Japanese
Kato Masaaki
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/kato_masaaki.jpg

Jomon Japanese
Nishikido
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/nishikido_ryo1.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/nishikido_ryo2.jpg

Please compare to alllooksame web site.

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Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/Lcy_young-1.jpg
Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_radio.jpg
Please Compare to alllooksame web site.
Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/new_year_brough3_400x300.jpg
Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/c_SLEEP.gif
A group of Japanese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/otaru.jpg
Please Compare to alllooksame web site.

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Chinese
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/kinnchii2/zhanghongbin2.jpg
Korean
http://i119.photobucket.com