Yoshiki, Gackt and Sugizo start band together

[RedDobey]

If you like Jrock this might be of interest to you. X-Japans drummer Yoshiki, solo artist Gackt, Sugizo from Luna Sea and an currentlly undeterminded two others are forming a band thats going to be touring the U.S next year.
Heres a link to an article disscusing the band:

sponichi.co.jp/entertainm.../12/28/03.html

And heres a translation of that article
Sponichi announced December 27 that SUGIZO (ex-Luna Sea) will join forces with YOSHIKI (ex-X JAPAN) and popular singer Gackt as part of a five-member band whose name and details will be revealed in an official announcement early next year.
SUGIZO, who together with Ryuichi Kawamura formed the core of LUNA SEA, was YOSHIKI’s choice for the guitarist. He was raised in a musical household headed by parents who played in an orchestra and is also proficient on the violin. During LUNA SEA’s indies days the band was affiliated with YOSHIKI’s record label and quickly gained renown as talented composers. The two have known each other for twenty years and are very close.
“At first glance, SUGIZO seems like some mysterious visitor from another world. But his feelings about music are really pure,” YOSHIKI said.
SUGIZO described YOSHIKI as “ a great older brother who I can always depend on. I’m honored that he asked me to be a part of his new project.”
SUGIZO and Gackt met for the first time at a music event four years ago. Although they initially saw each other as rivals, they have come to respect each other’s musical ability.
“The first time we met ended on a sour note,” Gackt said, laughing. “We parted fighting and I felt like it was really too bad that we didn’t get along so I’m happy that we get to work together.”
“Gackt has a really strong personality and lots of charisma. It’s hard to imagine what his life is like but when you meet him you really come to trust him,” SUGIZO said.
X JAPAN broke up in 1997, Gackt left MALICE MIZER in 1999 to become a solo artist, and SUGIZO has been constantly working since LUNA SEA’s breakup in 2000. It’s a dream come true for many people to see three members of the most influential bands of the Visual Kei era working together. YOSHIKI will play drums and piano, and Gackt, who is also committed to NHK’s drama “Fuurin Kazan” until Autumn, will hold down vocals.
“I think that we’ll end up having five members,” YOSHIKI said. “It’s great that we’ve got some big names on board and I hope that we’re able to make it big worldwide.”
“Each of us has a strong personality and is somewhat selfish. I’m sure everyone thinks that our band will fall apart, but we really want to become the first Asian band to top the world charts,” said Gackt.
“Look out for high-impact, explosive rock music,” said SUGIZO.
What sort of chemical reaction will result from the mixing of these three intense individuals? They’re definitely going to cause waves in the music world next year.

[A-chama]

Thank you for such detailed information on this~! :-) I had read rumours and I saw the video where Yoshiki actually annocnces this, but It's not as accurate as this~!

Since I like all three artists I'm really excited to see what will happen! It's at least bond to be interesting that's for sure~ I can't wait to see who other two members will be~

Also I'm wondering... what will happen to the solo projects? Are they going to be put on hold? ... Well, I guess I'll have to wait and see like everyone else...

[miri_kusumoto]

yes...i think it will turn out somewhat interesting :clueless:

We'll just have to wait and see, i hope it does turn out okay!

[Lady Blue]

Looking forward to the next step on this project. ^_^

[Devious]

such band is just too good to be true :) just can't wait.. :)

[Morning Masamune]

There's also rumours that Miyavi may be joining.
http://auralcandy.vox.com/library/post/more-speculations-about-the-yoshikigackt-project.html

[MorganaBloodthirst]

I want them ALL in one big band:cheer: :cute:

[A-chama]

WOW~ Miyavi?? If that IS the case, WOW~ Is all I really have to say on the matter~ It's going to one original band that's for sure~

They all have fairly different sounds so put together.... it's bound to be something different!

[Sugar-San]

whoa, the band is going to become better and better. xD
If Miyavi really is in the band, then it will be a good band I think xD
Ok, Gackt is enough to make a band being good xD
SO, now I wonder who the last person is

Will the band exist long or just some albums/singles and finish?

[furan]

O_________________________________________________ ____O



................... *is speechless*
o..... mi god......
omiGOD this is gunna be like.... the most amazing band ever to exstist EVER.....
OMIGOD!
thank you so much for the info!!!!!

“Each of us has a strong personality and is somewhat selfish. I’m sure everyone thinks that our band will fall apart, but we really want to become the first Asian band to top the world charts,” said Gackt.
HAHA! i love that comment... i think i'm gunna print it anf frame it... it is SO Gackt :D:D:D:D:D

seriously... omigod, i can't belive this, it's gunna be like.... such an amazing band... i hope i'll be able to save enough to go see the in the satests... but it's gunna be difficult if they're not comeing any closer >.<

well... it would seem Yashiki's heading for the best of the best...
LOL and going for the guys with the biggest Egos ever XDDDDD
if Miyavi did joing that would be too funny to watch LMAO
however... i doubt the P.S. Company would let him go... and i still think he's scared of over seas perfomring ^^;
still... it would be worth it just to see how they all managed to come to a desicion together XDDDDD

[Broken Rose Ren]

I just have to see where it goes from here. It would be more interesting to me if it were just Sugizo and Miyavi in a band together, but adding Yoshiki and Gackt to that mix...I dunno what to think about that. Just so many styles and egos clashing, it's insane.

[furan]

lol
yes... i think the egos clashing is perhaps an even bigger attraction than the music XDDDD

the only problem i would see with Miyavi beeing there is that he's been a solo artist for such a long time... there's no WAY Yoshiki would have him on vocals if he did get Miyavi in the mix... so i dunno wether he would accept on those terms... cos he's very much in his 'own' is dear old Miyavi ^^;

... mind you, so is Gackt... but unless Yoshiki wants someone else to play the piano (HA!) or bring in a bit of Violin to the mix (or if you must, guitar) then... i think it's safe to say Gackt will be on vocals ^^;
(i think that's it? i don't know much about Gackt ^^;)

[Broken Rose Ren]

Gackt will be on vocals
Sugizo will probably play rythem or lead guitar and/or violin
Yoshiki will do drums and piano
Miyavi will either be lead or rythem guitarist

Now only a bassist is missing from that mix. I wonder...

[furan]

lol
well.... it hasn't been officially announced that Miyavi will play....
but i figgured that would be the line up... however, what i was pointing out was that Miyavi (if he has been asked) may not bee terribly happy about going back to being just a guitarist... cos i think he's too pleased with the fact that it's all him atm ^^; - in my opinion ^^;

but yeah... i was trying to think of a bassist they might ask...
the bestest ones i can think of are tied up in bands....
would be amazing if he asked Kisaki though... however i don't think he's gunna leave phantasmagoria anytime soon ^^;

[A-chama]

I don't think Kisaki would leave Phantasmagoria... or at least I would hope not >.< But I can't think of a bassist that's NOT in a band... Maybe, it's another soloist that has done bass before?

[furan]

lol, yeah, me too... phantasmagoria are just too amazing... and he's too great to go with these guys ^^;

the only one i can think even remotly of is bassits of Shulla and Kagerou... but i don't think so... like.. at all >.<

[Broken Rose Ren]

But, isn't Phantasmagoria disbanding completely? Matoi and Iori are leaving, and now Kisaki is in trouble for tax evasion and failing to report profits for Undercode.

[furan]

:souka: *blinks*

THSI i didn't know?
goah... that'a annoying >.<

... hmm... i can't imagin them getting him in the badn if that's the case then.... but still... if they whant a good bassist.....

[A-chama]

It's not disbanding, at least not as far as anyone knows though it is true that Matoi and Iori ARE leaving... As for Undercode I don't have much info on that.... and for the Tax evasion Kisaki's paying for that >____< I don't like thinking about that...

I really can't think of anyone myself... I don't really know of a bassist that has quite the same personlity as those displayed by Yoshiki, Gackt Sugizo and Miyavi... So I can't say who it could be...

What would be FUNNY would be if it was Yu~ki from Malice Mizer... what a way to make a come back ne?

[Broken Rose Ren]

Meh...we'll just have to wait and see. More annoucements should be made soon.

[A-chama]

Yes, we'll have to wait and see...

[MYV_ANCafe_Lover]

Ah! Not Miyavi..Please dont join :(
Im sorry guys but I dont like Gackt. No offense, he has a really sexy voice but I just dont like him.
I just cant imagine Miyavi being in a band with these guys. I mean they were all part of some of the greatest jrock bands, and adding Miyavi would be a little odd right? Not that Miyavi isnt great or anything Mmm but then again Miyavi is super good at the guitar, it could happen...

[A-chama]

I take no offence... I don't know about the others MAL....

And... I could see it haooening actually, but weather or not Miyavi is joining hasn;t been confirmed so... till it is or not... there;s nothing I can say...

I wouldn't really find it that odd, I could actually see it happening... Miyavi has a personality very similar to Gackt, Yoshiki and Sugizo.... which is to say very self-confident... But who knows right? It's just a rumour.

[furan]

there's no dobt Miyavi is an emencely tallented Guitarist... due'le weren't really a huge revolutionary band... infact they were bearly known... but Miyavi is one of the biggest stars around in Japan... he's possibly more 'well known' today than Yoshiki and SUGOZI... like, as an all rounder... but i coudn't really say for sure...

see... i DO know a bassist who'd match their egos and talent.... however he's in a band and they are NOT gunna split up... ever... i will kick their asses if they ever do... ¬_¬
pluss... they're all like on big familly... he'd never leave them :blush:
thought it would be funny if they got him... :relief:

o, in reference to liking Gackt...um... i really don't like a lot of his music, but i think he does have a great performing ability and a good musical talent... pluss i'd like to see what Yoshiki plans to do with someone with a voice like him... i don't think he's really worked with one like this before... well... Rose sort of i suppose... but he didn't really get involved with the music making process i don't think.... :?

[melody90]

This band sounds like a crazy dream come true. I mean, fans have imagined diff people in a band together right? And this very new combination actually happened.. Feels like a gathering musically.

its like from surprise to disbelieve to very intense anticipation


I'm really look forward to it. Actually what if its really a bassist that's currently in a band? If it's really such a potential explosively sensational project, its worth it ne?

[furan]

i completely agree with what you're saying melody...

the bassist i was thining of, though, was Nao from Kagrra,, and if you're familliar with the band... you'll know there is no chance of him leaving Izumi ^^;

but i suppose some may... but i don't know if Yoshiki would think to try and split some people up... it woudl be a bit malicious... even if he wasn't trying to be ^^;

[A-chama]

Yea~ it's possible that some would leave for a project like THIS one~ but some how... I don't think that's the case, but whoever it is I think it will DEFINITELY be a BIG surprise to everyone~ I want more infromation on the whole thing..
.
There's one thing that is for sure... they've kept their secret REALLY well so far!

And I think that whoEVER was choosen has at least an ego to match the three confirmed members because Gackt said: “We each have strong personalities so we’re selfish. People around the world probably think that things won’t go smoothly for us, but we’re planning on being the first Asian band to top the world charts.”

And I don't think it would be someone that's in a band because HOW long could something like that have been kept quiet? For the secret to have been kept so well, I think there's no way a WHOLE other band could have known.... But that's just what I think:bluush:

[melody90]

"being the first Asian band to top the world charts"

this feels de javu-ish.. haha. v long ago i had a dream, of hide. he said sth abt "our era is over, but soon there'll be a band that will be the leading band in asia." n it was with such faith! haha. ok a lil no link..

will it really break a band up? its just a project right? can always go back after that or do both? jus a lil qn tho..

is there gonna be another legend in jrock history? if it created such news and it doesnt work, people will just kill them.

ya i agree that they kept it really well! no one knew anything til they say it themselves.. cool..

[furan]

melody, i thought the exact same thing!
d'you think Yoshiki's wanting to live out Hide's dear or something?

i think the whole 'taking a band member from an esisting and active band' may cause a lot of friction within that band...
i mean... their going would have to mean the band would have to put their actuivity on hold... and i dont' know what the arrangements are... but i know Yashiki didn't write EVERYTHING musically when he was in X... the band mebers had a lot of contributing... and writting and learning songs takes a LOT of time... so... it would have to be a band that wouldn't mind taking a break for at least a couple of years.. or getting in a substitute... and i can imagin that would be a difficult thing...

maybe they themselves don't know who the other 2 member are yet though?
because i can imagin everything has to be delt with really sensitivley...

also... i bet they're a lottle panniced... because... can you imagin if it DIDN'T work out? it's quite a brave step really... i mean, gathering some of the greatest talent in Japan do do suce a task... and then if they were to fail... god... that would just be so awful!

[A-chama]

If they fail X.x Especially with all the publicity there is about it ALREADY.... I don't think ANYONE would survive it~

I mean they're already big in the industry, EVERYONE is probably (never mind probably they ARE expecting a lot from them X.x) expecting a lot from them~ I really can't magine all the stress and tension they must be facing X.x But, I think if they actually manage to pull it off~ then it will be something really worth remembering~

Mind you what I'm afraid is that everyone will expect too much from them... I mean what if everyone's disappointed? :worried: I would feel so bad if after all the trouble they took to keep things secet, after all the EXTENUATING amount of work they MUST have put and ARE probably putting in it~ it doesn't work... well then what?

But, I'd rather think positively and say "Whatever it is I'm sure it will be lovely~!"

[furan]

i know >.<

but most definatly! it's an oportunity for an AMAZING musical moment in history... i don't think anyone's ever really done ANYTHING like this before... not in any culture... although... there was that groupe of people that got together and did worls type music with robie williams in... but that wasn't anywhere near this kind of comercial scale...

yup! that's exactly my point... i mean... i know these guys are cocky... but no-ones THAT cocky...
still... Yoshiki's Violety UK project produced some absolutely breath taking stuff... and that was just demo stuff! so i think we can be safe to think it will be good at least ^^;

[A-chama]

Well, even if they ARE cocky... they do have a reason to be... they produced so amazing stuff in the past already :relief:

Yea... it's quite huge X.x who knows what will happen when it's finally out... another thing to think about.... what if it's a one hit wonder? :worried: I think that would be terrible too....

But, it's true Demo stuff was nice... so all we can do is hope and wait.... I guess I'm a little anxious though :p

[furan]

i can't picture ANY of them being content with touring with one song... o.O

but i think i know what you mean... like.. they're just populare for this one tour, they go their separate ways, and the world forgets about Jrock again...
that would be... agrivating to way the least ^^;

[A-chama]

Touring with just one song... hum~ I don't think that would happen either~

It would suck if they separated after their first tour~ I think I would be alittle angry~ and especially if what they creat is something really beautiful~ I think it would be like giving everyone that REALLY a fan false hopes~ And that's just not fair~

But maybe that's just me? Maybe I'm anticipating this band to much...? But I can't help it really they're all people I really respect individually for the music they created and it would be a bit of a let down for then to just come and go... :p

[furan]

i don't think they're making a 'band'
i think it's a project... so, they're likely to come out with a album, but i don't think thet'll mean the guys will stop their solo work...

they'll tour... go back to their solo work, then when one of them gets an idea for a new album they'll do it... that's what i think but i don't really know...

i can't see either Gackt or Yoshiki wanting to be tied down with being in an exclusive band again...

[wandering.legy]

Can i just butt into the conversation and say that i think furan's right about them not actually being a band, but more like a project...mainly because of the ego problem, and also because none of them are really used to being in bands anymore, are they?

But then again, if it's only a project, i've got serious doubt about it working...because without the commitment that being in a band demands, there's going to be a lot of problems. Personally, i don't have high hopes for this mega band. But that's mainly because i can't stand Gackt XDD

[A-chama]

Actually think it is a project~ because if Miyavi IS in the project, band, whatever you want to call it~ he did say he was going to continue his solo work along with whatever happened with the band (it's given that HE IS joining a band just no one knows what band...)....

And I hardly thought they would stop their solo projects I mean, Gackt is in a drama, so he's contracted to finish that and considering the type of people they are I doubt any of them would remain idle while Gackt is doing whatever he has to do.

And the ego problem... they're all AWARE that they have "strong personalities", so I don't think they would let that get in their way of making music. Besides when you have disagreements you can always work on that! :-)

But it's true this type of project, a band, it demands a lot of commitment and everyone has to do their part, and of course it can't be without problems but I don't think that means it's hopeless. I think any problem can be solved so long as your willing to take the time to work on it. And with type of people they seem to be I don't think they'll let problems get in their way without at least ATTEMPTING to work it out.

And well, I'd say we have to wait and see. I don't think we can judge before we see how it end up~

[furan]

ooooooo, i didn't know that about Miyavi.. this is gunna be interesting!!!!

but... actually i LOVH the fact they all hav e such big egos... it's gunna make it interesting to follow if anything XDDD

but i agree with what you're saying, however, wandering.legy:
you make a good point, but i'mma have to disagree...
if anything making it a project makes it a lot easier to have a clear picture...
they don't have to worry about the future, just what they're doing now, because they know that they will still have a corear afterwords...
also i don't think any of them are worring about money issues...
which means all they have to think about is the music and such.
i mean, i suppose they do have to worry about the over seas responce as well, but... yeah, i think you get my point... even if i explain in in a very round about sort of way ^^;

[A-chama]

Yes~ there egos are definitly going to make things amusing :D

And I really don't think money would be an issue either :relief: though it's true they'll have to think about overseas response if they want to be as big as they seem to aspire to be... mind you given WHO they are, they'll have fans based solely on the fact that they were liked before this band/project was even started :relief:

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not in terms of the music quality though... I mean how can you judge how good you really are if you have fangirls who only like you for what you did before?^^; Then again I'm sure there are sincere fans to who'll actually look at the quality of the work they produced before deciding to like it~ And then if they become as big as they believe they will be~ then a lot of people are going to start liking Jrock...

I wonder is that such a good thing though? I kind of like the fact that's not TOO well known... :p

[furan]

i see you're point... but i think these guys know they have fans over seas... but the whole point of this priject is to show to those people who don't particually have an interest in anime/manga/japan that Japan makes good music...

but i know about your debate about the whole 'jrock becoming popular'
... i think we had a debate about it on here a while back...
it is nice that there's only a selected few who listen to it... and then there's a selected few of them who actually just listen and don't bother with the whole 'fan girl' thing ^^;
... but... i don't think it will be quite a trasaction as one might think....

.... the biggest thing people critisize me for listening to Jrock is that it's in Japanese... and 'i can't understand Japanese' apparently...
Yoshiki's more than likely to write lyrics in English... and though Gack's Enlgish pronounciation is... um... not that great lets face it... at least it's still in English...
so i think bands like FAKE? and Akeboshi and stuff like that that generally sing in English

[A-chama]

Well, I hope those people will see the point they are trying to make :-)

Uhm~ well, I just hope people will appreciate the quality of the work they produce~ I mean, yes I'm a fangirl... but I became one because I liked the music. It's not that I see anything wrong with people deciding to check a band out based on what they look but you shouldn't like them only because of that either.... :p

And... most people critize me for liking Jrock bands because they look like girls :okashii: I mean yes Visual Kei bands use elaborate costumes and yes they LOOK like girls sometimes, but looking like girls isn't the point of Vk... and they don't seem to understand that~ I mean to me Vk is an art~ it's pushing elegance, grotesque, beauty to the extreme~ and it's not JUST about appearences despite the fact that apearence IS definitly a part of it~ I find that Vks use their appearence to put more impact on what they have to say and it makes me sad that people don't understand that....

And of course~ the fact that they're not speaking english is always a subject... and I don't really understand WHY~ if you really want to understand what they're saying there are translations~ you can look them up. To me, it's not ALL that important to actually understand what they are saying (though if I REALLY like a song I'll go and find out...) it's more the feeling and the intensity of the song that I listen for. So when people say they dislike a song because they dont understand it~ that kind of irks me too:okashii:
Sorry for rambling so much.... Ijust had to get it out of system...:p

[furan]

o god no there's nothign wrong with being a fangirl XD
but yeah, some do anyoy me because it's clear that they're faily biased towards bands abilities because of their appearence...

to... to be fair, that's what a band is these days... it ISN'T just about the music. it's about the people in the band, the way they look, act, dress... all these things....

what you're saying about VK is entierly true.
like the metal look that inspired it, it's not about the appearence persay, more the statement your trying to get across.
and actually i have a LOVe ot love for VKers because of the amount of diversity and design that goes into them. i mean, i'm a graphics student, so i'm bound to see things like that but... i mean you just have to look at like... 5 different Miyavi photoshoots to see that these people don't do things halfassed... when they design something they go all out!

pretty much every album released has a graphical identity, nevermind just a 'constume'

... sorry, rambling ^^; i've just been doing my graphics homework ^^;

see... the thing is, for some people, music is all about the lyrics.
punk has never been about musical talent, more angree people who hate the goverment (exagerating, but you knwo what i mean)
clasical music, however, has never been about the lyrics... not even operas... it's all about the feelings that are envoked by the actuall score... and people these days tend not to appreciate that, or at least they don't realise they are... which is really sad.
i listen to music in millions of different languages... hell, i have the DISNEY soundtracks in over 19 different languages! i love to see how different singers interprit the same piece ^^;
LOL, funny, i'm talking about the 2 things that i'm so used to being so analytical in ^^;
i've been in several clasical choirs for over 4 years now so... :relief:

but actually... i don't care about the lyrics so much that often i listen to english musc that has genuinly appauling lyrics... but the music's just great i don't care XD

lol.. i think it's ok to ramble in this thread... otherwise a few of us are introuble ^^;

[A-chama]

I have nothing against fangirls... as I said before... I AM one myself, I have to admit it... but I really do appreciate the efforts that the bands I like, put into creating their music, into create their "costumes", into creating their sound, and I find it ashame when people are so blinded by appearences that they fail to see the rest.

It's really kind of sad that people are now only LOOKING at bands and not LISTENING to them... I mean of course it's nice that bands are visually appealing... I'm in media studies, I do things like animation, film making, radio whatever, I understand that visual appeal is important when you want to make viewers appreciate what you're creating but, I would like for people to appreciate the subtility of what they're creating...

And it's for sure they don't make a half-assed job of making their outfits~ each is always so unique and elaborate it's really art to me. And that's what I like they really give it their all to make something that everyone can enjoy.

I suppose it's just that everyone has a different way of enjoying things, and different tastes so... of course not everyone's going to like the same thing... but I hate it how people just because it doen't appeal to them say it's bad. Way to judge something without trying it!

I see nothing wrong with enjoying Disney music I listen to the Nightmare Before Christmas Sondtrack every now and then~ and I really enjoy it~ It shouldn't matter what kind of music it is, or what it's porpose is, so long as it's something you can sincerely enjoy.

And I don't find it bad to be analytical about things, if you know the mechanics of how something works, the amount of work it takes to make it. And if you can distigusih what makes a good piece of music and what makes a bad piece of music, then you can actually appreciate the good ones even more... at least I think... :p

Classical choir? wow that's pretty impressive!

So long as it's good music... who cares WHAT they're saying? I guess that's the case sometimes....

But it's also nice for the lyrics to have some kind of meaning, some kind of feeling behind them too. Nice lyrics, bad lyrics in the end it's not the most important.... but it's nice to find lyrics that reach out for you, even if you don't necessairly connect with them.

Is it me or have our posts been getting longer..... :relief:

[furan]

XDDDD
i think they're incresingly longer as you go down the page XDDD
and... well i guess this is the **** chat board, and we are vaguly on topic, so it shouldn't matter too much! XD

i comPLETEly agree with everything you just said!
i'm sorry to have to to this but i'mma have to ramble about Kagrra, for a bit.
they're a band with a truely unique appearence whithin Jrock, i mean, they came up with Neo Japaesque(sp?) but lately they've been going... none visual.
now, here's the thing. this band is clearly talened. the bassist playes a 6 string and some of the most complicated bass lines you've ever heared. the lead guitarist plays a 7 string and was writing most of the music for the band at 19, the second guitarist is a frikin genious child who can play basically any instrument you put infront of him, and even plays the Koto in a lot of the songs...
their music lately has been cosistantly improving composure wise, yet... all the fans can do is complain about their 'lack of visual-ness'... it's like... err.... why d'you like this band again?
and the whole thing with Diru fans... it seems to me it all started because they whent less visual and wanted to appeal to a western audience more... they're still making music like they did before...
i mean, ok, so it's music more like pink killer and obscurity and you don't get stuff like dead tree and cage anymore, but it's still the same band...

i mean, i won't get into that too much cos i dont' really know all the facts or anything, but it seems to me like it's along the lines of what we're talking about ^^;

actualy, the other thing i like about all the disney songs in different languages is that i get to hear other languages other than english...
i really like how other languages sound, but unfortunatly i find it really difficult to grasp actual language... possibly because i'[m dyslexic, but i don't really know.
i dunno if you're french canadian or just regular canadian, but... i was brought up in an completely english speekign environment... the closet thing i came to to another language was gordie! XD
so i really love to listen to things in different languages because it's a compeltely different way of expressing. and not knowing the actual meaning of the words lets you explore your own meanings.
actually it's because oif this i'm actually reluctant to read a lot of translations ^^;
although ocationally i'm right and then i'm propper chuffed XD

but i do like a song with good lyrics...
i think actually i love concept more than anything... like, i write lyrics too, but i liketo think of a concept beforehand... and actually Jrock strikes me as pretty inventive when it comes to this... so... i love to get inspiration, whether for my own lyrics, or my art or deisgns or... whatever XD

but i love poetic lyrics that aren't just 'blah' and that's it... i heavely got into the poetry analysing i did for my english GCSE so... yeah, i like metaphores and crap ^^;

[A-chama]

I find it sad too when people stop liking a band mearly because they aren't doing visual kei anymore~ I mean YES Vk is awesome` I really adore it BUT if a band decides that's no longer what's needed to make their music say what they want then the fans should respect that~

I hate the way some fans can't respect the decisions that bands make for themselves... I mean I think the fans don't understand that it's not totally for them that they are creating their music... Yes, of course being in the media, in music or acting it's largely a fan~audience centered industry however what fans seem to forget it's also an ART~ and it's used to express what the ARTISTS want to express. In the end it's not ABOUT what the fans want but about what the artist chooses to show.

Of course that's not exactly how it works... and artists are always influenced by what others want~ But I see art as being something that should be selfish~ it shouldn't be about others~ I think people should decide either to like what the artist choose to create and appreciate that it was created or else move on to something else that appeals to what they're looking for.

I hate how people expect artist to change their style to appease their fans... and I hate artist who make the changes to appeal to fans~ Yes, of course if you want to make a living out of art it has to have some appeal... but in the end if it's not really the way you want it... if you're expressing something you don't really believe ... then what was the piont in the first place right?

I got into the whole Jrock thing pretty lately so some bands that I discovered though they HAD been visual Kei no longer doing visual kei (Diru being a fine example of that... :p) , and I find it a shame that some people decide to dislike those bands simply because of that. I mean~ If they decide that they no longer need to use the VISUAL aspect of their band to make a statement that means they're reling even more on their voice, on their MUSIC to do the talking. I mean yes in Visual Kei the music is supposed to do their talking also~ but the VISUAL aspect of it all is equally important... or it wouldn't be called VISUAL kei~ :p

And it seems a shame that some fans decide that a band is no longer worth their time because they aren't doing the exact same thing any more.... But I guess, those kinds of fans aren't really needed in the end... because then it will be the people that just sincerely enjoy ALL the aspects of the band that are left~ And I think if I were an artist I'd rather have a few sincere fans then a boat load who don't really understand what it is I'm trying to do...

I'm french canadian~ but I've always gone to english schools so I was always surround by at least two different languages~ But that doesn't matter to me~

I've always liked that! Hearing how different the languages are~ and I've met quite a few exchange students so it's fun to hear them speaking in their languages~I actually really like foreign languages~

I'm currently ATTEMPTING to learn German (in school...) and Japanese (that's harder because I just have my books...) I like that they all sounds so different that they look so different(when written)~ I find it amazing to see the different ways people have to expresse the same things~

And I have to say I agree not knowing what the lyrics mean~ or only understanding one or two words~ From that it's nice to make up your own meaning~ To have your own feel for that song~ I think it ends up making it even more "your song" that way~ I mean some people like songs because they can relate to what they're saying but if all you know of the song is the title then it can have a more personal feeling because~ you're the only one who's given the song the meaning you choose to give it~

I do write poerty~ but it's largely based on feelings and intuitionmore then anything else~ I don't really think of anything at all~ My writing is a lot closer to a stream of consiousness~ or I'll just be thinking of something random and I'll have a title and I just start writing from there~

And I like when I'm reading something I like it when it's really OLD or really NEW~

In the sense that I like it when it's in really old english or french or whatever even if I don't understand all the metaphors or all the language I like that~ And as for the NEW things I really mean things based on the probable and twisted future~ where humans have basically ruined, or destroyed themselves~ I like that darker side that people sometimes portray! Of course it truely terrfies me that things like that COULD be possible~ but It's seems interesting to explore those kinds of things~

[furan]

*sigh* i hear what you're saying.

i mean, i did the whole 'non conformist' type thing, and i used to really take notice of what a band did and how they acted, like, i completely despised Avril Lavign because she is simply one big joke. (or at least that's what i thought at the time). and i'd hate bands who became 'sell outs'

however, the way i see it is there are 3 types of musicians:
comercial ones where everything they do is basically to build up a fan base
artistic ones, where they just do what they want and hope other people will like it
and then the ones that have a spacific aim, like this project does, where they whant to reach a spacific audience and create something new.

from time to time the artists get talent spotted, and they catch a break, but it nearly always comes with the price that thy have to sell out to some exstent. no-one will fund somethign unless they can garantee it's success... which is a shame because there are some really great bands out there who just aren't noticed because they don't have the right representation.

the funny think about J music, though... is that VK isn't actually very big in Japan at all...
you look at the Jmusic interent fanbass, and nearly all of it is visual to some exsent. but when i whent to Japan i spoke to some people... no-one knew who Dir en Grey were, a few people knew Kagrra, and most people knew who Miyavi was but i don't think i met anyone who liked his music...
to be fair i didn't talk to anyone who was properly into rock, but one girl knew Janne de Arc....
basically i got the sence that none visual bands were a lot more popular over there, like how we used to be with pop and rock, only rock's becomeint more 'the thing' these days... or at least it is here...

wait... lol i'm losing track of my point ^^;
umm... o yeah, i think i was trying to get to the point that there are different sorts of levels of apreciation (though i don't quite think 'level' is the right word, that implies one is better than the other)
like... there are poeple who like what they think they're supposed to like
there are people who like who everyone else likes,
and there are people who like what they like.

i used to be one of those 'likes what they're supposed to like' and would always deny the fact that i likes any pop at all and any 'rock' bands that were really popular were just silly....
but i realised at 15 that that was just stupid... but i still didn't quite get the whole 'let lose' thing...
actually Jrock really opened my eyes a bit more, because these bands don't stick to 1 genre...
panic channel for example.. hard rock, soft ballads, techno pop... you got a faily decent mix in there...
and you get people who are down right obsessed with Dir en Grey, closely followed by bands like Arashi and Ayumi Hamasaki...
... i dunno whether the reason for this is simply because people start out thinking 'that's japanese, therefore i love it' but... it does opens ones eyes a bit i'd say...

i love the entier concept of languages... i thinkit's silly to try and make everyone learn english because it is one of the most boring languages...
and so rediculous... it makes no sece at all what so ever >.<
but... actually going back to the disney songs, what they reminded me was that... even within languages you get different ways of using it.
like... there's a different version for both French and French Canadia, Spannish and LA Spannish... it's really strange, but the words are different!
i suppose England has that one thing going for them, that there are different dialects, like Gordie... but... i do think bigotry as far as languages go is just so stupid... and england/english speeking countries are often the very worst for it >.<

what you say about poetry's really interesting!
i like things like that too...
old english was a lot nicer than modern day... it's so confusing because people use words for different things, and words like 'gay' have come to mean so many different things now (sorry, firts word that poped into my head ^^; )

the think i LIKE about Japanese though... is that even though one word has a lot of meanings and it is fairly easy for one to missunderstand someone (especially if their not native), it leaves so much room for interpritation.
each word has a prounouciation, which in turn has a meaning, but it also has a kanji, which also has it's own meaning. they can be taken separetly, or applied together to come up with your own meaning... it's like art in it's self.. but at the same time very calculated art.
lol, actually for some reason Japanese reminds me of maths... which is perhaps why i like it so much ^^;

[A-chama]

Maybe I am a little childish :p But I guess because art is really important to me~ And I hate the thought that it could become anything less then that~ >__<

I listen to anything provide I like the sound I hear~ Weather some people would consider it sell out or not~ I'm not that picky about music~ I just find it a shame that, sometimes that's what's necessairy to do to succeed.

And I can see what you mean... to have some kind of success you do have to appeal to a largely commercial society~ I never really hated Avirl Lavigne... Some of her music actually appealed to me... but after a while I didn't care much for her anymore... :p The thing about American/English music is that while I like it.... I listen to it VERY rarely~ It really appeals very little to me~ especially all that R&B and Rap Music that plays all the time~

And it's not even that I dislike the singers~ but all they seem to be singing is the exact same thing to a different tune and even then I don't find the beats appealing~ I mean I understand that to commercial artists have to do things that will appeal to the crowds but.... how many songs do we REALLY need on subects like promiscuity and killing people for money~ Really I'm tired of that~ I mean I wish the crowds taste would evolve just so people would choose to show things that have better quality~

And I might seem biased~ maybe I am a little :p ~ because my friends like this kind of music I have to listen to it fairly often~

I guess I can see what you mean by different "levels" of appreciation~ Everyone's different so no one can be expected to have the same taste and of course~ That's what makes music, reading, ART so interesting (sorry if I seem to be going over to the topic of ART so much... but as I mentioned... art does mean a lot to me... :p) I like that you can find something that will cater to every mood and taste~ Diversity is very important to me and so it's not so much that I'm 'non conformist' as I'd like everyone to be diverse...

That's really what scares me the most of those books on the future that everyone will ends up being manipulated and controlled into becoming the same things~ of wanting the same things~

Of course to work as a team you have to have similar goals~ and as humans we should have similar goals~ but that everyone has differemnt thoughts likes and dislikes~ that's really important!

I think I was like that too~ I used to listen to what other people said~ If they mentioned they didn't like something I decided I didn't like it either... or at least I thought I didn't.... But when I started getting into Japanese things... well I didn't really know ANYONE who liked those things but I decided this is really interesting so when people started to make fun of it~ I still liked it and it didn't matter to anymore if people liked what I like or not~ So I guess in a sense it was really an eye opener to start liking these kinds of things~!

And it's true J rock bands don;t really seem to stick to exactly one type of musical style~ they'll have hard or soft depending on the song and that's really nice~ It shows I find how they'll look at the songs individually to create them~ :-)

To me writing, music is always about feeling~ because even if you don't have something specific to say, when it's done and you show it to other people~ it will mean, it will say something to THEM~ And I guess that's why I like those kinds of thing so much because they call out to me~ They "say" something to me so to speak....

I agree I really like the old litterarture! Dante's Devine Comedy, John Milton's Paradis Lost, anything by Oscar Wilde... though I don't understand all the subtilities of it because those things were created in societies that are SO different, from what we are now, I find it very interesting to read.And it's really fascinating to see how words and thoughts evolve! I mean to know how and what past generations believed and thought~ To see how the things we have were first created~

All those old supertions people believed so sincerely~ it's really fascinating to know about it all~ It's really like an insight to another world~

I mean it's all people and people are probably the most fascinating things on this planet so when I read, when I see old paintings~ Though I don't always understand the thought behind it I still really enjoy it because it shows me how we were~ Modern art doesn't fascinate me nearly as much because it's current :p

I'll admit I like Japanese because I like the way it SOUNDS~ Just hearing people speaking in that language even though I can't understand it.... I really like it... But I'll admit the subtilty of that language... it's ambiguity (?) is also equally beautiful~ I like things whose meanings are a bit mysterious or that mean seem to mean something else once you've seen it a second time... That's why, I think I would really like to be able to read Gackt's lyrics in Japanese~ Because from what I read about it he doesn't use normal kanji for words~ He'll use uncommon terms that in he end MEAN the samething but will make the whole word have a different meaning simply because of that Kanji~

I can see how you could consider Kanji~ Japanese writing an art~ I find that the whose language with it's levels of polietness and all it's subtilities really... poetic (I'm not sure if that's the way.. I should phrase it... but that seems the most appropriate word...)

Yes, I can see it as something calculated~ it's a very controlled language, but it's so beautiful~ I don't think I could ever quite consider it math~ because I find math is something very ridgid and doesn't really leave the room for things to change or flow.... at least not like the Japanese language seems.... (and I have to admit... I don't like math much myself....)

[furan]

lol
WAW that one took me a while to read ^^;
but hey, at least i'm reading!
i find what yuou have to say very interesting so... that's good at least ^^;
actually i had to stick it in a word document... you know it's over 1000 words! XD

music is TOTTLAY an art, and don't worry, it's a really important to me too ^^;
i never really liked what peopel told me to like... more what i thought i should like...
the whole deal with Avril Lavign was that i LIKED her music... that was untill i saw her. she was completely trying to pass herself off as something she wasn't. i never had a problem with her music, it was her i had the problem with... and unfortunatly i used to get opinions like that a lot when i was younger... only i'd take them to extreem and now, even though i don't really care anymore i still have those feelings connected to those things so... i can't enjoy them ^^;

i used to listen to so much japanese music. it was all i ever spoke about. but then i whent to an english band gig and realised that...actually the west does make good music, i just forgot about it XD
i listen to everything now, infact, i challenge you to find a genre of music i don't like...
the only thing that get's to me is >some< R&B and rap... i like the stuff that actually involves something done with the backing and a chorous that works well with harmonies and such... i really can't stand stuff that writes a jingle efectively, and then repeats it over and over again.... >.<

but... i suppose i kind of understand what you're saying about the topic... but then again... how much diversity is there amongst other generes?
i mean... prettyy much songs are about love... it's kinda refreshing to get stuff that... you know, isn't about love of self pitty...

but music is very much about expressing a certain feeling or emotion.
all the greats (mozart, vivaldi, hyden ect.) would always start with an emotion... but i'd like to think they all had a story in their minds too...
it's difficult to translate that into words... which i think is a great thing about some lyrics... because they managedg to find a way to put a whoel story into a few verses and a chorase... with the music doing the rest...
though... i don't thinkit's very posible analys populare music like clasical ^^;

but i do agree. it's good to have similar goals... i think parliment here are slowly starting to see that... what with there nolonger being any difference between labor and the tories anymore >.<
but everyone having the same opinions, the same feelings about the same things? that woudl be terrible... that's why all these scene kids and chavs and stuff really annoy me...
i always said i didn't really care what my sister woar, as long as it was what SHE wanted to wear... cos... basically she's gone through her life following the trends... >.<

hee hee, it sounds as though you're really into your reading! i only wish i could understnad language that well, or see enough into it... but language is somethign i've always strugled with... or rather, expressing myself. i always find it difficult to say exactly what i want to say... which i used to try and tackle when i wronte poerty... but it still eneded up being something that i never felt was really me...
but when i read lyrics like planiterium by plastic tree, or other songs, it shocks me how some people can explain my emotions exactly to the point... yet i wonder if they feel the same as i do about my lyrics, about their own ^^;

Japanese has a great sound... i love that every word can be broken up into clear sylables, and everything has the same sound, it makes things so much easier...
i think what i menat about maths though was that there are many ways to go about translating something, but in the end you come up with more or less the same result... except it's through those different ways that you understand it better...

actually reading books about the history of Chinese is really interesting! all the symbols originally came from drawings, much like hyrogliphics, except a lot simpler ^^;
and over the years they evolved into more structured forms... but it's really interesting to learn, and actually helps you to recognise the simbols and their meanings...
ofcause there are over 1000 different's Chinese simbols and only about 500 kanji... but they all came from Chinese originaly... pluss you've got katakana and hirigana to make things a little more simple ^^;

i admire you for taking on the task of learning it your self!
i tried to but i just don't have the time... so i'm hoping when i go work there it'll all be a lot easier ^^;

[A-chama]

... with the length of our posts I'm suprised we don;t have more pages on this topic... :D I will attempt to make my posts shorter.... ATTEMPT being emphasized... :relief:

I hope what I say is interesting... if it was boring.... that would be bad.... Saying a whole lot of nothing... I'd be ashamed of myself if I did that... though I have to admit... most of this IS rambling.... lol~
And now I understand your comment better~ If you dislike the person who created them you disliked what they did... Uhm.. I have to admit there are some instances where I'm like that... and I guess when you're younger it makes sense if you don't like that person why should you like what they make.

People don't really think of the "art" as independant of their artist... I suppose in some ways that makes sense because art is created, it expresses something someone else wants to expresse but if you see that person and dislike the kind of person they are then it's normal that you'll think you have to dislike what they make even though if you look at it seperatly it could be of very good quality.

Using Gackt (I adore Gackt but I think some people see him this way...) some people see him as a very snobbish, "plastic", egocentric man. And because of this think his music and the things he dose are equally snobbish, or of bad quality. But nif you just take what he creats and just listen to his music, you see it's really nice. He has things to say and he has a nice way of saying them.

And that's why I was able to enjoy english music for so long, I've never paied any attention to the artists. Linkcon Park, Papa Roach, Three Doors Down whatever... I like listening to those but I couldn't point them out in a crowd and I couldn't even tell you there NAMES! The only artists who's name I know are solo artist because they use their own names or stage names.... and even then I don't know that many. And it's the same with most actors too. I just know them based on who they were in the movie~ Yes I know SOME actors by name.... but there names everyone know and knowing the names doesn't nesecairly tell you what they look like.

But that's because I never believed the artist was that important in the process of enjoying the music. It's the end product I was interested in not the process.

It's really with Jrock that that changed,of course I'll still listen to music even if I don't like WHO sings it, but I can tell you who the members of Diru are, I know X Japan members and I actually really admire all kinds of Drummers that I know by name. (Espcially Kami.... :hihi: ) I don't know why Jrock made me more interested in the artist. But I suppose part of it must be due to the fact that it's so elaborate and they really seem to take time to create something both THEY AND the audience will enjoy....

I know what it's like talking only about certain subjects.... pr at least always steering I always seem to manage to make conversations turn to SOMETHING about Japan... even if the people I'm with don't particularly like it... ANYTHING about Japan... :relief:

But bad music... >___< Well, I'd say Paris Hilton's (I think that's her name.... but I'm not sure...) music... But I tend to find her annoying in general... But to be fair to her I HAVE listened to her music I've even WATCHED her video clip... and I just really dislike it....

And I suppse you're right... there's not that much diversity amoungst the genres~ I suppose it's that when you don't really understand it's the voice, it the music that makes it seem different rather what the words mean.... Maybe my problem with rap and things like that is that I actually understand what they're saying.... hahaha~ :p but... I suppose it can't be helped... it's just doesn't agree with me....

Popular music and classical... I don't really think you can compair~ it's really two different eras~ to VERY different ways of thinking and of course different ways of achieveing results. I think even if you gave some one from the classical era and someone that makes popular music the same theme or idea you would get something totally different simply because they won't really see it the same way.

Yes I'm really into what I read~ The written word~ is as beautiful as the spoken word~ When things are written you can see them and I think SEEING words effects how you can give something spoken a new meaning or rienforce it's meaning.

And I'll use this( Gackt again....) as my example:

The kanji says kankaku (sense, feeling) but he says kyoufu (fear, terror). I like to think of it as those thoughts that cause a big knot if your stomach...

The line she's refering to being translated as such:

"Maybe it'll be over before I know it..." those forebodings scare me

To give credit I took this from this website and it's refering to the lyrics of Emu~ for my dear :
http://www.senshigakuen.com/translations/lyrics/gackt/kaimu.htm


But back to what I was saying it really makes a difference what you say and what you write~ You can make your meaning more subtile~ And that's what I really like about Gackts lyrics~ You have to read them AND listen to what he saying at the same time to get the full meaning of he's trying to tell you~

And I don't know what I can say~ the reason I find Japanese sounds so great is that I find it's a very soft sounding when you listen to it~ I find the language itself is almost like music~:p But it's true it's nice that japanese words can be seperated in clear and defined syllables! And that those syllables are defined and not easily changed~ It makes the "alphabet" a little bit easier to remember...:p

And I have to agree with you~ seeing how the Chinese Kanji evolved~ That's really fascinating too ~ from the crude hyrogliphics to the state they are today~ It's a very big change! And to think they have to know all of them to be able to read! I'm really impressed~ The Japanese also impress me~ I mean not only do they have to learn a lot of Kanji they have their Hiragana, Katakna and of course romaji to learn. Yes Katakana and hirgana are easier in that there's a defined number of them and they always mean the same thing but if you add all those things together that's a whole lot of things to remember!

But it's a language, it's really just a culture I love so much, I don't midn the diffculties~

.... Well... I failed... I wanted to make my post shorter..... but that REALLY didn't happen....:relief:

[Precious4e]

Hahahaha excuse me for not reading all the posts here...they were somewhat long and I have somewhat of a headache from reading things for school.... so sorry if i'm repeating things or whatnot...

I'm really excited about this band just because Sugizo is in it. I was a big LUNA SEA fan. And of course because of Yoshiki. He's a legend. I don't like Gackt at all so no comment about him.

I would like to see how their personalities will come through in this band. They are all very talented and have so many accomplishments but sometimes putting giants together under one roof would just tear the house down.

I wonder who the other two/three members will be. Can't wait.

And they are touring in the US next year?? I will have to see this. Heheeh Im getting my credit card ready for when they announce the tour.

BTW i'm learning Hiragana and Katakana and they are just driving me nuts lol. I have down all of them down but it's still hard to read fluently.

[A-chama]

That's alright~ :D I'm surprised someone took the time to even read SOME of what we wrote... :D

Other then Yoshiki, Gackt and Sugizo... there''s a rumour that Miyavi would be in it other then that.... it's a real mystery~ :D

Yea~ But it's after seeing them over and over that you get better at it~! Don't give up you'll be able to read them eventually~ :-)

[furan]

lol
ANOTHER PERSON!
XDDDD
well... i'm REALLY gunna keep this briefe...
i can't even remeber half of what i just read ^^; (it's dificult because i got hide tributes on atm too XD)
ummm...

yeah... actually you know i've noticed reading... i think just 1 translation... the girl seemed incredibly obsessed, lol she took each line and analysed it like it was an english lanugage essay ^^;
but it struck me then that what he wrote was really thought about...
i'd love to be able to write lyrics in Japanese for this exact reason.

the whole thing about getting to know the actual bands.
i'm the same.
i mean, i really REALLy loved some bands before i got into Jmusic, but i only vaguly knew their names and certain things about them...
i think the main reason for the change is because while i was getting tinto Jrock, i was learning more about the internet? and so... i think they kinda came hand in hand...
but actually i lietned to them for a good while before i thought to look them up.
i was like, inlove with Pura and thought 'hmm, i wonder what they look like'
looked them up... saw a picture... *obsessed* XD
so i think the whole fact that the visual aspect of Jrock is almost as appealing as the music it's self, makes it that much more interesting too look into anyways....

if you really love the wired and wacky and reading thought you should DEFINALY read some Haruki Murakami books... the man is god XD
and i agree.
i prefer manga SO much to anime...
i mean, i like anime a lot more than i used to, but... i actually like the feeling of holding a book. - as giles says 'i like the smell of them' :relief:

actually.... the Japanese are taught romanji as a whole...
cities are using it more frequently because of the increas in tourisme... but it isn't an official alphabeat in Japan... it's just what the romanisation format looks like ^^;
(though i think they are taught it crudly when learning the english alphabet, and ofcause some computer keyboards use romanji configuration)

Precious4e
welcome to the convosation! XD
yeah, i'm really looking forward to this band, especially seeing how their personalities coape..
after reading the evidence about Miyavi though... it's pretty convincing guys!
it hink they aren't anouncing it because there's still some doubt about wether to join or not... and indeed wether he's suitable (which he clearely is)

but if he does join it's gunna be so funny to watch these guys intereact...
i mean... they all think they own Japan XDDD

i can see it now

Yoshiki: shut up, i'm the oldist, i'm the boss!
Sugozi: you're not THAT much older than me... i've enver been told what to do before!
Gackt: o shut up you old timers, you've been out of the loop too long, you don't know what the youths of the world want anymore!
Miyavi: HA! and you think YOU do? I AM THE FRICKING YOUTH!

:D:D:D

... sorry :relief:

good luck with you're kanji!
you've done very well so far!
i've got a friend who knows them all more or less, and she's pretty solid on her speeking and such, straight A student, but she still finds it dificult to read straight out without a little help ^^;

[Precious4e]

^Well Sugizo and Yoshiki has worked together somewhat before during the LUNA SEA and X days right? But back then I guess Sugizo HAD to respect Yoshiki more since he was like his boss and mentor lol. But now that Sugizo has a name of his own.....hmmm who knows. I think they will all keep it professional though. Yoshiki is the leader of the band right? So I guess he will be the boss in the end lol.

[Ettawen]

I'm more convinced now that Miyavi is joning Yoshiki's project because he spent the better half of Nov. and ALL of Dec. in LA...and who lives in LA? Yoshiki! That can't be a cowincidence(sp?). So now I'm about 70-75% sure Miyavi will be second guitarist...

[furan]

yeah, what you've told me is pretty damn convincing! ^.^

as for Sugozi and Yoshiki working together before... i have no idea..
i know very little about Sugozi other than he had a solo project, was guitarist in LUNA SEA and Akiya respects him a lot... XDDD

but yes, Yoshiki is the 'boss' and i'm sure the others will respect him for that :relief:

[sunsweet]

Being the myspace stalker that I am...

Judging from Myv's official myspace page, his number one friend is a pretty model named "Twink". The reason I know of "Twink" is because she was also on the top of Yoshiki's list for a while, and I know that when Hyde was in L.A., she and Yoshiki went to the show together (let me add now, don't worry ladies, she's taken by a wonderfully handsome man who she's in love with).

Being that LA is a rather large city, I doubt that Miyavi would come over to America and somehow find and befriend the same exact people that Yoshiki is friends with...

Thusly... since he was in LA for such a long time and he's hanging around the same 'circle of friends' as Yoshiki...

it's totally Miyavi.

[A-chama]

I think they all have some kind of mutual respect for one another~ I mean you wouldn't be part of a project with someone you didn't respect right?

And considering who they are I don't think they would accept to just work with anyone~ I don't mean so much that they wouldn't work with New artists but unless they liked them~ I don't think they would accept to work with them.

And to go back... I think most songs when they're written they're thought about. I mean... that's what they're going to sing and when fans get the cds that's what they're going to read (provide they understand of course :p ) so I guess it's normal that they take everthing down to the use of kanji in some cases into consideration depending on what they want to say....

And I'llleave all this at that... -_- I don't really want to end up writing as much as I did before! -_-

edit: Hum~ I really don't think there could be THAT many conicidences... it's almost rediculous... I just wish they would say something... waiting is really killling me!

[furan]

:lol:
for somereason sunsweet, your logic and reasoning, convincing as it is, has me in fits of laughter... :D:D:D
i guess it's just the way you put it ^^;

i agreeg A-chama... i think we can expect the other memebers to be significant figures we'll recognise~

i see your point about the lyriccs!
i'm so used to just writing lyrics... things just flow into my head and i try and remeber them ^^;
but i forget that most Jbands include the lyrics in their CD covers too... so i guess it really is more important for people to see them written down to understnad :?

lol, yes, i think we should leave it at that now other people are joining the thread... :relief:

[sunsweet]

My 'Twink conspiracy' logic totally makes sense yo... haha ^^

The only thing I'm nervous about is, this 'super-band' has to have some ridiculously awesome music, ya know. With all of these big names, if they come out with any songs that are just so-so, it will be beyond disappointing.

I almost see all of their songs being like 15 minute long power-ballads, lol. I can't see them doing any short "regular" type of songs, there are just too many important people involved. Oh well, I guess we'll see, eh...

[furan]

LOL
omigod... powar ballards XDDD
actually... given these guys records... that's not too crazy to think... o.O

there is a lot of pressure on them about this i think...
they're gunna have to come up with some really amazing stuff... and like... every aspect of each musical line and part is gunna have to be brillient
(i'm sorry to have to say this, but like a fair amount of Kagrra,'s stuff.... the thing i love about their music is you can take it apart and liten to individual instrument lines and it still sounds great - some, not all though)

so yeah... but... i think they are all awear of the fact that immensly long songs only have the imoparct the do when they're in amongst the 'regular' songs... so...
god, it's really exciting to make all these theorys and still be awear of the fact the we actually have NO idea what to expect XDDD

[Child_prey]

I have hope for this project :-)

[melody90]

"I have hope for this project"

Who doesnt? Haha. Power ballads? You guys got me all anticipating for it.


Yoshiki: shut up, i'm the oldist, i'm the boss!
Sugozi: you're not THAT much older than me... i've enver been told what to do before!
Gackt: o shut up you old timers, you've been out of the loop too long, you don't know what the youths of the world want anymore!
Miyavi: HA! and you think YOU do? I AM THE FRICKING YOUTH!

Haha. Sounds expected eh? But I can also imagine Yoshiki and Sugizo being totally quiet and serious when Gackt and Miyavi are like... doing god knows what. Especially Miyavi.

[furan]

LMAO
omigod completely... Yoshiki and Sugozi being like the two pearents and Gackt and Miyavi running around trying to be better than eachother arguing over who's the prittiest and who has the best developed body...

... and yes, i have had way to much 'fangirling' experience and i ofcause don't actually think that would be the case, however if they were characters in a fictional world... it may well be XDDDD

[A-chama]

:D I could almost imagine that Melody XD

Arguing whos prettiest :D Well, they all might.

But I think that the fact they keep things so secretive must mean they're taking it pretty seriously if you think about it. After alll if they really thought that their names was all that was needed for success then there would be no mystery about it, they just come out and tell all their plans to everyone.

I think it takes a lot more dedication, and seriousness to keep your mouth shut. So I really think it will be worth looking forward to!

[.::b|ue Ash::.]

*sigh*

If they know what is good for them they will target older women with love songs and general rock with their move to America.
But no... no one will ever listen to me.
Hopefully being as powerful and influential as they are, they can keep their wits about them, even over here.

[furan]

i wouldn't say that any of the VUK stuff was 'targeted' at any spacific generation... and i don't know... i mean, those three are all getting ona bit... maybe they might do something more 'sofisitcated'?

but yeah, i think, in my opinion, actualyl the seecretive-ness is more to do with the fact that final decision's havent' been made yet...
if someone was to say, yes, Miyavi and Kisaki (or whoever) are most definatly going to be in the band, and then they weren't.... i can imagin it might cause a lot of ruckess and such... ^^;

[.::b|ue Ash::.]

No I wasn't speaking directly of the past however, what I'm saying is to have more universal success and respect in the American market they should be careful on their approach, and their target audience.
Then again, perhaps they don't care, a fan is a fan and money from said fans is still money...

[furan]

i don't think this prokect could possibly be about making money...
as they're all surely set to be financially sound for the next coupple of generations...
but i do think it's about fans...
so i think they'll come up with something that they think will spacifically appeal to a wide range of people, because if it is that Yoshiki wants to like out Hide's dream... i guess that's what he wants... though not to take away the aspect of Japanese-ness about it...

i don't know, this is all just speculation of course ^^;

[A-chama]

Yea~ I really don't think Yoshiki, Gackt or whoever ends up in the band is really worried about money. I mean, they've already probably invested a lot of time and effort on this project I imagine and I think they might have made it a more publicized thing if they were worried about the finacial aspect (and I don't nessecairly mean tell everyone what will happen with the project so much as give little bits of info just to bother people into wanting to find out more.)

But, so far other then that annoncement that Yoshiki made all that while back nothing has happened, or at least they haven't made anymore news available so, I really think they're more concerned about the quality of their work then anyting else.

And I've never thought of Vk or Jrock as targetting a particular audience. I think, it's for everyone who can relate to it. Or who can at least apreciate it. I mean yes, certain people will like it more then others, but music, like art is universal anyone willing to take the time can enjoy it.

[Mcspi]

This should different. I have to agree about the ego clashing that is sure to go on due to how popular they all are on their own. Can we say Monopoly? I feel sorry for the other musicians trying to make a living they don't stand a chance.

[A-chama]

Hum... I wouldn't say that. I myself love those three but I don't think they willl appeal to everyone. After all everyone has a different taste in music and sometimes people can definitly be prejudice about what they listen to.

So while I think they'll be very successful and I don't really understand WHY someone wouldn't like what they did I know that realistically not everyone will like them.

[Sonya]

Yeyyy Yoshiki has wrote some new info to his blog :-)
"And some people have questions about "THE BAND".
Yes, Sugizo from Luna Sea came here to LA several times last year, and last month Gackt came to town, and we both went to dinner. pretty much just the two of us.
Actually that was really funny. Gackt came to my house and ate dinner that was good. Then I said to him "why don't we go out to dinner?". and he said "we just ate.???" then I said "I wanna eat different food." well .... we ate Japanese food at my house, and then ended up going out to a Japanese restaurant in LA.
(We are very weird Ha, ha, ha, ha) but that was fun!
Yes, I'm so lucky to have them as friends, and also to be able to work with them professionally.
Sugizo and Gackt are such talented people, also having such an amazing vibe. Actually, they are all going to come here next month with one more person that I can't reveal yet."

[Sugar-San]

Thanks for the Info ^^
So cute somehow xD
Yoshiki is funny and Gackt too
Didn't they want to release the name of the Band shortly after new year?
But no name is released yet, right?

[Sonya]

No, Yoshiki is talking about "THE BAND" so it's still a secret...gosh so exciting..

[Precious4e]

Sugizo and Gackt are such talented people, also having such an amazing vibe. Actually, they are all going to come here next month with one more person that I can't reveal yet."[/SIZE]
The suspense is killing me. LoL I want to know who the remaining members are!!

[Nan Desu Ka]

you know, I would love it if miyavi joined this sure to be amazing super group. But what I wanna know, is why is nobody considering Hyde for the second guitarist?

-He's great friends with gackt
-He's friends with Yoshiki
-He's a legend in his own right like the other three
-He's part of a legendry J-Rock band like the other three
-He was just in LA to perform and met up with Yoshiki
-He is a brilliant guitarist
-He has played with gackt before as well as acted with him in Moon Child
-He is currently on hiatus with Laruku and only doing solo work
-He can sing back up for gackt (and we all know how well they sound together thanks to Orange no Taiyou)
-He fits the same mold as the other three
-He would be perfect

miyavi would be cool, but let's face it, Hyde fits better than MYV, I for one would be heart broken if Hyde wasnt in this group, and I cant be the only one who would love to see Gackt and Hyde together again. Who knows, maybe miyavi can be the bassist lol, I'm sure he can play it, he's freaking amazing...Imagine that group...

Vocals:Gackt
Guitar: Sugizo
Guitar: Hyde
Drums/Piano:Yoshiki
Bass: Miyavi

it would be the best band ever!!!!!!111!!!

I just cant see this project being complete without hyde...anyways, that's just my honest opinion...

what do u think?

[Precious4e]

^ That line up doesn't feel right. I don't think Miyavi plays bass (and if he does i'm sure he's better at guitar)....and Hyde...I don't know how strong he is on the guitar. He plays...but i'm not sure how well since I don't listen to his solo works much. Plus Hyde has always been a front man. I don't think singing "back up" suits him. I would rather have Hyde as vocalist than Gackt. If this is a "super band" then I think Yoshiki would want the members to be in the position they are best at.

I think Miyavi (or any young, talented, and popular musician right now) would be a good choice because they'll need a more modern image to be part of their band to draw in more fans. That way they can have the old X/LUNA SEA fans along with some newer fans that will be drawn to Miyavi or whoever.

[Nan Desu Ka]

well first and foremost before he was even a vocalist hyde was a guitarist, In my opinion, that's what he truly excels at(his guitar work is awesome, IMO I'd say he's one of the best guitarist's out there),though I do love him as a vocalist. Oh, and his solo work is great. All three of his solo albums are really good, and each one has gotten better, he's improving as he goes along. Oh and the thing about miyavi being bassist is only because I want both meev and hyde in this band lol.

[Lady Blue]

Miyavi just doesn't fit. And Hyde can't be in the band cos then Gackt won't be able to concentrate and that would upset Yoshiki very much.

[Sonya]

And Hyde can't be in the band cos then Gackt won't be able to concentrate and that would upset Yoshiki very much.

:D That's definitely true.
Although a band with Hyde and Gackt would be something bigger than life itself.

[mico]

oh-oh, wow... look at that all list!
all great Jrockers gathering together?????

hmm... suspicious.....

what are they going to do anyway???
aren't those are pple who like to make surprise and loves to trick fans~

please gentlemen, dont make me laugh with whatever y'all planning to do :cute:

[A-chama]

WHATEVER happens, it will be interesting. That's really the only thing anyone can be sure OF!

And while the idea of Hyde and Gackt being in the same band is interesting I don't REALLY see it happening. BUT then again .... we know so LITTLE about what will happen... anything is possible. We'll just have to wait and see~!

[Yokan]

I was about to go and explain how a band like this would work but I'll just copy a section from my Livejournal XD :
'' recently was looking at an article looking at the speculations of Miyavis new band, and many people seem to think that it will be a bad idea teaming him up with Yoshiki, Gackt and Sugizo. However I disagree.
Yoshiki ( Former drummer, X-Japan) and Sugizo (former Guitarist, Luna Sea) Will pull in the fans of the older music.
Gackt (former vocalist, Malice Mizer and solo) will pull in the pop punk and pop fans, let alone the thousands of anime fans around the world.
And Miyavi will attract the mainstream amount of fans that like Visual Kei, and modern japanese rock.
Sugizo described the music as 'Super explosive rock music', so I'm well looking forward to this. It's been a while I've heard anything particularly amazing by Yoshiki. No, he hasn't lost his touch, but come-on: Violet UK never really was THAT great.''
To add to that though I was watching a video ''I'll be your love'' performed by Yoshiki, the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra with Nicole Scherzinger, and it was amazing.
The first post said that they'd be touring the U.S next year, do you mean next year as in this year, 2007, Or 2008? I hope they find the time to come to the UK! :)
Edit: Gackt and HYDE in a band together? Hell that'd be entertaining! :D

[XwY]

what about pata and heath???and TOSHI too

[Kikyos_Souls]

I am so excited for this!!! LOL! All those personalities!! LOL! I wanna be in the room with them when they have to come up with everything! That would be worth a million bucks and a die hard laughs! Know what, I really want Miyavi to be part of this band and I could see Hyde part of the band too. Damn too bad there can't be like three guitarists or something. Wonder who will be the bass player and what is their name gonna be??

Hmmm....Just thinking about Hyde and hide. I just read somewhere that Yoshiki claimed he would never play drums again after hide died and wouldn't it be weird to have Hyde as a lead guitarist when hide was the lead guuitarist for X-Japan.
That would be too painful and weird I think....:( R.I.P. hide

[A-chama]

hide-sama :bawling: Yea~ I can see how it would be painful if that were the case~ So ironic >< I don't want to think of it!
Now I'm even more HYPED!!! I really can't wait for more news!!!!:relief:

[melody90]

"what about pata and heath???and TOSHI too"

haha i think there's no way other X Japan members are gonna be inside. i mean, its such a long time. and didnt yoshiki had a conflict with toshi or smth? and if that happens, everybody will just be expecting a reincarnation of X rt? i hope that wont happen. let the beautiful stay beautiful in our memory. its time to move on. both in musical sense and for yoshiki himself.

"wouldn't it be weird to have Hyde as a lead guitarist when hide was the lead guuitarist for X-Japan."

both are Hideto some more. haha. but i've always thought of hyde as vocalist. haha. but he's great too.

"I was watching a video ''I'll be your love'' performed by Yoshiki, the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra with Nicole Scherzinger, and it was amazing."
ah!!! i wanna watch too! where did you watch it? online? if so, url? haha... i always feel that yoshiki plus orchestra is just godly. haha.

[Reita-kun]

I think it would be great it Miyavi joined the band... and @Nan Desu Ka, I understand... why doesnt hyde join? he would be PERFECT!

[A-chama]

Well~ maybe he will? Who know right?

[moelar]

L'arc is back now and they are touring in Japan this summer. I think it would be like one in million chance that he would join this super-band. Hyde said in the interview that this year will be of L'arc years. Beside he is a so-so guiterrist (kinda sux) compare to other 3 three. I just dont see him other than being a frontman. Guiter doesn't suit him.

but seeing gackt and hyde in the band together would be something :D but I would prefer hyde in tetsu's band, they make great music and hot couple..

[mico]

oh my... so what this is all about??
are they realy REALLY going to make a project together????
can't believe it. more over, they're all gureeeto j-rockers, nee..
wowowo~ truly what's this!

[advigilo]

i dont think hyde would be a good to join the band
cause: - as said above he is a so-so guiterrist
- he has always been a front man
- gackt cant focus with him on the team... for obvious reasons ^^
- he and gackt would either form a musical front together in another band or get into a fight... like gackt and mana in MM... altough gackt and hyde make a good team.
- laraku needs him :-) and i need him... to make great laraku albums
that is XD

did anyone hear any samples of songs?

[Nan Desu Ka]

gah!!! The more I think about it, the more I want miyavi in this band!!! He's such a damn good guitarist and so young (plus really f'ing hot)!
Btw check out meev being totally secretive in this interview after his concert in Las Vegas (me thinks he's talking about the supergroup =D)

With the announcement coming only a week before his performance in Las Vegas, Nevada, Miyavi performed at the MGM Grand nightclub, the Tabu Lounge. After a quick performance of regular patrons and a handful of fans, JaME had the opportunity to speak with the artist.


The announcement for this performance was very sudden, and many of your fans could not attend, but it was good to see that many were able to come. Do you have any more definite plans for the future or plans to come back to the US and perform again?

Miyavi: Now that I realize that I have so many fans outside of Japan, I really want to visit them all over the world and perform many places overseas someday. I also hope to come back to the United States again... but probably not right away, unless it is on one of my 'secret missions' that brought me here. I do not have any definite plans right now.

Secret missions?

Miyavi: Yes, 'secret'. (He put a finger over his lips in a hushing gesture)

I am highly impressed with how far your English has come along. How long have you been focusing on the language?

Miyavi: I have been studying since... last year. To be precise, I got started on it last October. But I am not very good at it yet.

Oh no, you are doing very well!

Miyavi: Really? Thank you very much. (laughs)

If you were to meet someone who had never heard your music before, how would you discribe your style? I know in the past you have termed it 'Neo-Visualism'.

Miyavi: That is what I like to think of it as. It is...shock rock, visual like shock rock. Like in Kabuki.

As in your performance is like watching Kabuki theater?

Miyavi: You know Kabuki? Yes, it is very elaborate in visuals and style. That is what I like.

Why did you choose Las Vegas and more specifically Tabu, a 21 and over night club in the MGM Grand as the first place for you to perform in the US?

Miyavi: I was invited here while on one of my secret missions by Mr. Freeze [legendary break dancer]. When I visited before, I met Mr. Freeze through Tony Lee [also a legendary Hip-hop dancer] at the Tabu Ultra Lounge. I liked it (the club) and was asked if I wanted to perform here sometime soon. So I came on another, not quite so secret mission to perform here, where the setting is to my liking.



secret mission eh? *wink wink*


How amazing would it be even just having yoshiki, gackt, sugizo, and miyavi in a band together? I dont even care about the bassist (unless by some divine miracle they pull toshiya away from Dir en grey or Reita from Gazette lol)
Like I said......I really hope Meev is the 4th member and 2nd guitarist of the group!!!

[Kikyos_Souls]

LOL! I wonder what he's hiding?? He's so cute. "Secret mission", indeed.
I was thinking Toshiya too but only to like to "borrow" after they are done he has to go back to Diru pronto. And then he can go back and forth between groups but he can't leave Diru.

[Nan Desu Ka]

Anybody here about JRock Revolution!? Yoshiki is hosting the first ever JRock fest in america. Miyavi, Mucc, Alice Nine, Kaggra, Vidoll, DuelJewell, D'espairs Ray, and Gilgamesh will all be performing over a 2 day period May 25-26 at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles, CA. On top of that Yoshiki will be making the announcement of the Fourth member of the band sometime during the event....am I the only one who notices Miyavi is on the list of mentioned bands/artists appearing? Coincidence? I think not! I have to be there! Oh btw, if we have any AnCafe fans, they'll be playing in Dallas Texas on June 3rd at A-Kon....that I probly wont make it too, but I want too!!!!

[dakkii]

NO! totchi and reita can't leave their bands!!!! especially not toto!! hehe... though he would be the best choice in my opinion

and i really hope i can go to the jrevolution concert!! *_* i'm rooting for MYV in the group too... think of the personality dynamics! :blush: yoshiki would be like "I~ am the great yoshiki! i am a LEGEND!!" and gackt would be like "nuh uh! can you say MAGNUM?!" and myv would poke his head up in the middle and say "MIYAVI DESSSSU!" and yoshiki and gackt would both punch him ^_^ <3 just kidding, but i think it would be interesting... some funny backstage clips, at least... and miyavi would learn a LOT from being in a band with the big 3... i mean, think of his post-supergroup work <3 :-)

so. excited.

[Kikyos_Souls]

Wah!:( I wouldn't be able to go! No money, Why doesn't anyone ever come to Canada! Diru is doing another American tour but they aren't coming to Canada!! Sorry I just have to lament...
I bet everyone $100 it's like Meevers as the fourth member!:win: Oh yeah...

[Homerduff]

As Im quite a fan of the drums, I know Yoshiki and ofcourse X Japan. Im curious to the songs they will make. I only know one song of Gackt which is redemption, not bad but not amazing, but as many people like him he must be quite gifted. Anyway I will try to keep an eye on this..

[Nan Desu Ka]

anyone else think kisaki formerly of phantasmagoria would be perfect for bass? He just as sexy as the other members, he's popular, well known, a great bassist, and just happens to be free because of the disbanding of phantasmagoria. He fit's the bill, former visual kei guy, and all the things I mentioned above, just look at the pics down below, they all look great together. Now Kisaki may be a little more vkei than the rest atm because all the others have toned down there looks since they've moved on from their vkei bands, gackt: malice mizer, yoshiki: x japan, sugizo: luna sea, and even miyavi : due le quartz. So whose to say Kisaki cant do the same thing and fit in perfect. I for one think he'd be the right guy for the job. Unless they can coax someone away from another band lol. Who knows though, I've heard he had some trouble with taxes or something XP if not him, honestly who knows...


Vo: GACKT
Gu: SUGIZO
Gu: MIYAVI
Ba: KISAKI
Dr: YOSHIKI

[A-chama]

Hum... well, Kisaki WOULD be a great choice, I mean he was a really great bassist... the sad thing is that he said HIMSELF that he would never play the bass again... Which really SUCKS but he did say he wouldnt be playing again only, managing Undercode productions... :worried:

But I agree, Kisaki-sama would be good in the super band...

@Kikyos_Soul I totally understand you! No ever comes to Canada.... :(

[Nan Desu Ka]

who knows, crazy things have happened, and I'd think if he was to ever some how come back that this would be the perfect platform...if not kisaki I really have no idea lol.

[A-chama]

Yea crazy things could happen XD It WOULD be rather amazing if Kisaki was the bassist... I guess we'll have to wait and see...

[dakkii]

wow i never even thought of kisaki... but that makes a LOT of sense... good call, guys!

though i'm not exactly IN LOVE with kisaki... eh.

let's just hope this thing gets off the ground *cough* *looks at violet UK*... yoshiki, yoshiki...

[Nan Desu Ka]

yeah it's taken this long just to announce the 2nd guitarist (which will be announced this weekend at jrock revolution in Los Angeles, which I'll be going to!!!!!) I cant imagine how long it'll take to find a bassist, and the guitarists were easy XP. Would anyone else be completely shocked if the guitarist isn't miyavi?

[A-chama]

... I think I would be shocked.. O______o but I think it's more because everyone (myself included) already assumes that it's Miyavi to much evidence(?) or hints that it might be him.... so yea I'd be really surprised!

But I suppose whoever the guitarist ends up being it'll most likely be a GREAT guitarist after alll... so far all the members have been great at what they did ....

What I hope that after the finally annonce the second guitarist we won't have to wait forever for the bassist XDD

[CharismaticDeath]

Is it certain that it's the second guitarist they are goin to amounce at J-rock Revolution? Could it not be the basist?

[Nan Desu Ka]

it could be the bassist I believe yoshiki just said the 4th member would be announced, but if meevers really is the 2nd guitarist it sure fits to announce him seeing as he'll be there for the concerts.

[A-chama]

Hum yea ... I don't remember if he just said 4th member or 2d guitarist was supposed to be annonced XD

And yes, if Miyavi is part of the band then it would definitly make sens that he was annonced then... Him being THERE and all XD

[GuitarAddict]

I always skipped this thread cause I thought it would be the same old rumors I have seen over and over again but I like this thread, so with that announcement thingy going on it confirms that it's realy going to happen huh?
:lol:
That makes me so excited, But I'm not so sure about Miyavi joining it's hard to imagine him next to Sugizo, Yoshiki and Gackt. his style is so different and he is so much younger I can't explain how I feel about it I just know the feeling tells me it ain't going to fit.
(Could it be Bou?... ne haha no just kidding :p )

[Nan Desu Ka]

well it's official. Here I am at my hotel in Los Angeles, and the concert was amazing! Tonight meevers, who kicked ***, announced that he is the fourth member of the supergroup! Also later on, yoshiki announced that they are going to be making an appearance at Anime Expo on june 29th!!! The strange thing though is that it seems like there will only be four members, at least, it seems that way...i dunno lol maybe it's just me. XD

[A-chama]

But that's the thing XDDD They need a bassist XDDD :p After all a bassisst is an important part of a band XD I mean, you can do without a second guitarist... but a band does need a bassist... just like a band needs a drummer XDD I mean have you ever heard a band without drums??? But maybe they'll just use a recording? Till they decide to annonce who the bassist is? I'm really curious to find out who it will be though!!!

[RevengeBabyYeah]

You don't know how happy I am about it being sure now. I can't wait to hear their material. Do you now if they've already recorded stuff?
Hope you had a great time Nan Desu ka( i know you did, argh i wish i could have gone!)

[A-chama]

Yes, from what I heard they already started recording, they just haven't released anything yet... though they'll probably wait till all the members are annonced before they do XD

There's just one more left!!! I'm soo excited! I wanna know who it is XD

I think it will be a big surprise for everyone... they've been so good at keeping everything secret up till now...

[Nan Desu Ka]

I know, but it sure seems like it'll just be the four of them, check out this video from last night. It was so loud lol. Oh and btw, the name of the band is SKIN.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hydqax1EOZ8

[A-chama]

For some odd reason I'm really liking the name of the band XDDD;

[SaKeVi]

C'mon, does somebody really care about their music?? Bleh, people want them just because they're kawaii, you can notice that with the annoying screaming in the video...

So, the new Japstreet Boys still don't have a bass player. I wonder if those st*pid guys that posted in youtube "I knew Miyavi was the 4th, I deserve a price" already know who will be the bass player... some people already know.

Skin; and I thought Yoshiki couldn't reach a lower level of self-respect.

[A-chama]

I think everyone here cares about the music... I mean sure part if the interest of the band is because it IS composed of people that are all majorly popular.... but they're NOT popular for NOTHING! They're popular because they're good musicians!

At least that's why I like them (though of course I won't deny that I ind them physically attractive as well... that's DEFINITLY NOT the ONLY reason why I like them!!!!) and so the major reason WHY everyone is excited (or at least why I AM....) is because I really expect them to creat something extraordinary.... Who knows I might get disappointed... but till I've heard something then I definitly eagerly await for them to perform!

[Nan Desu Ka]

yeah at first I was like what? skin? what!? but it kinda I dunno sounds cool-ish...part of me is still getting used to it lol. Oh and I also am looking forward to this bands music as well, I wont lie, I'm attracted to all four, but it's the music I look forward too, you've got four of the most talented musicians in japanese music history, hell I'll say it, just plain music history getting together in one band, it should be something to never forget. Gackt is known as one of the most talented singers/lyricist/writers in japan, yoshiki of course is known as an amazing writer/lyricist and pianist as well as one of the best drummers in music history plus sugizo who's an amazing guitarist and was part of one of the best visual bands ever plus meev's who's only 26-27 and is up there on the list of best guitarists ever. I've even seen comparisons to hendrix. So yeah, they are all sexy sure, but for me it's about the sure to be amazing music they will make together. =]

[Tsukiko-chan]

C'mon, does somebody really care about their music?? Bleh, people want them just because they're kawaii, you can notice that with the annoying screaming in the video...
So, the new Japstreet Boys still don't have a bass player. I wonder if those st*pid guys that posted in youtube "I knew Miyavi was the 4th, I deserve a price" already know who will be the bass player... some people already know.
Skin; and I thought Yoshiki couldn't reach a lower level of self-respect.



Act normal man.. I think Yoshiki is ugly,,, But his piano play is great..
I listen to all of gackt his music.. Starting with the fact that Malice mizer is my favorite band.. And he wasn't cute in that time at all.
Miyavi is cute.. But. I think he is cute in the way he is.. Acts and all. I am someone who doesnt like tattoos. (I love piercings tough)

*I don't know sugizo at all..*
And the backstreet boys didn't reach the 20 when they got famous..
Yoshiki and Gackt did already pass the 30. Meev is the youngest I think...

And I have a lovely story about miyavi.. My brother hates the fact I listen to jap music.. My brother is a guitarists as well. So on one day I sowed him a movie from Miyavi playing.. He respects Miyavi now.. And doesn't say stupid things anymore about the music.. Only about their looks..

[Child_prey]

C'mon, does somebody really care about their music?? Bleh, people want them just because they're kawaii, you can notice that with the annoying screaming in the video...
So, the new Japstreet Boys still don't have a bass player. I wonder if those st*pid guys that posted in youtube "I knew Miyavi was the 4th, I deserve a price" already know who will be the bass player... some people already know.
Skin; and I thought Yoshiki couldn't reach a lower level of self-respect.
Oh hey Mr Sourpuss, long time no see! :wave:
No but seriously, I care about the freakin' music!
The only ones in the band that might get attention from his looks are Miyavi and Gackt but he is there because the man can sing even though he looks like something you create in Photoshop and print out, the poor thing can't even make a face expression after all those Botox injections. The others are too old. Well now Miyavi..*shakes head*
Not the best choice if you ask me but I'm sure Yoshiki knows what he is doing...I hope...
Yoshiki collected some of the best musicians on the market (apart from Miyavi) and now they will create something that will surely go down to history. I'm all for it! :cool: :cool:
I wish Taiji would join the band. Instead of Miyavi.




*continues to shake head* ...Miyavi.....

[SaKeVi]

Hmm, here we go:

I think everyone here cares about the music... I mean sure part if the interest of the band is because it IS composed of people that are all majorly popular.... but they're NOT popular for NOTHING! They're popular because they're good musicians!

Wrong: they're popular because of their marketing... why X became popular? why Luna Sea became popular? why Gackt became popular? why Miyavi became popular? I think we all know why that happened, so, don't try to act like that's not obvious...

At least that's why I like them (though of course I won't deny that I ind them physically attractive as well... that's DEFINITLY NOT the ONLY reason why I like them!!!!) and so the major reason WHY everyone is excited (or at least why I AM....) is because I really expect them to creat something extraordinary.... Who knows I might get disappointed... but till I've heard something then I definitly eagerly await for them to perform!

They won't create anything extraordinary, because the only thing they will agree at all is their performance on stage... this band was just created to excite teenage fangirls overseas, Yoshiki knows that, in the end this sh*t will give him tons of money.

I'm sure they will make low-average music just for compromise, not because they are the greatest musicians in the whole universe, wiii.

yeah at first I was like what? skin? what!? but it kinda I dunno sounds cool-ish...part of me is still getting used to it lol.

That's what they will be showing at stage to cover their lackness in good music, for the pleasure of their huge fangirls community in U.S.

...you've got four of the most talented musicians in japanese music history, hell I'll say it, just plain music history getting together in one band, it should be something to never forget. Gackt is known as one of the most talented singers/lyricist/writers in japan, yoshiki of course is known as an amazing writer/lyricist and pianist as well as one of the best drummers in music history plus sugizo who's an amazing guitarist and was part of one of the best visual bands ever plus meev's who's only 26-27 and is up there on the list of best guitarists ever.

Best musicians?? says who?? the music industry THEY CREATED?? c'mon, anyone that knows at least 5 bands in Japan knows this is bullsh*t, you have people like Akira Takasaki, Kouichi Ogawa, Hisashi Takai, Akira Jimbo, Baki, Tsuyoshi Onodera, Hiroshi Sekita, Takashi Masuzaki (among MAAAANY more) that are just unbelievable musicians but don't like to be a puppet of mass media like your "talented musicians".

If your idols have credit for something, is to sell their image like whores, the same thing they're doing right now.

I've even seen comparisons to hendrix. So yeah, they are all sexy sure, but for me it's about the sure to be amazing music they will make together. =]

...

Act normal man.. I think Yoshiki is ugly,,, But his piano play is great..
I listen to all of gackt his music.. Starting with the fact that Malice mizer is my favorite band.. And he wasn't cute in that time at all.
Miyavi is cute.. But. I think he is cute in the way he is.. Acts and all. I am someone who doesnt like tattoos. (I love piercings tough)

So?? their main purpose still remain, even if you think they're ugly.

And the backstreet boys didn't reach the 20 when they got famous..
Yoshiki and Gackt did already pass the 30. Meev is the youngest I think...

Again: Yoshiki's purpose is the same that the main purpose of a boy band, you want a prove?? check the video posted above, I almost became deaf with those annoying screams.

And I have a lovely story about miyavi.. My brother hates the fact I listen to jap music.. My brother is a guitarists as well. So on one day I sowed him a movie from Miyavi playing.. He respects Miyavi now.. And doesn't say stupid things anymore about the music.. Only about their looks..

I have a lovely story about japanese music: when I was 8 years old I was very exited with my brother's records and tapes, I thought Yoshiki was the best; then, I started to meet japanese people involved in music and realized that Japan has a HUUUUGE music scene that doesn't get stuck just in Visual and pop... just then I figured out that Japan just sends us their garbage for the happiness of "our" rabid fangirls.

Oh hey Mr Sourpuss, long time no see!

Thanks for your kind words :okashii: (you know it's sarcasm ^^)

No but seriously, I care about the freakin' music!

You should sit down, because you will be waiting for that...

The only one in the band that might get attention from his looks is Gackt but he is there because the man can sing even though he looks like something you create in Photoshop and print out, the poor thing can't even make a face expression after all those Botox injections. Well now Miyavi..*shakes head*

You think so?? remember who is the attention ***** for excelence in japanese music industry: Yoshiki.

Not the best choice if you ask me but I'm sure Yoshiki knows what he is doing...I hope...

After his huuuuuuge success with Violet UK (hahahahahaha xD) he needs the whole attention to release his future single with Toshi... he wants to stay effective in music business, and he had to create this horrible project to keep light reflectors on him.

Yoshiki collected the best musicians on the market and now they will create something that will surely go down to history. I'm all for it!

The "best" musicians or the most famous??

We all know this 2 concepts are totally different.

I wish Taiji would join the band. Instead of Miyavi.

... :okashii:

Bleh, talking with people that compares Miyavi with Hendrix really makes me sick... keep on going with your fashion threat; I'll post when that disgusting "music" band starts creating music (if they do at all and not just play covers)

Visual Kei r0x!! meh...

[Child_prey]

Damnit SaKeVi! Look again, I changed some sentences! :p

Oi! what's up with that no comment thing about Taiji???!! *pokes SaKeVi*

[SaKeVi]

Damnit SaKeVi! Look again, I changed some sentences! :p

But the spirit of your post stays intact :-)

Oi! what's up with that no comment thing about Taiji???!! *pokes SaKeVi*

He left X because he had a different vision of Yoshiki's music project and management of the band; do you really think he will join this supaaaband??

*pukes on Yoshiki*

[Nan Desu Ka]

I know about 15 japanese rock bands/artists, but I'm not going to get into an argument, all I'll say is, I for one, look forward to the music, I can see how some fangirls out there could care less about the music and only about the looks or whatever, but some also like myself and achama are in it for the music. And yes, it will be great. BTW, I never compared meev's to hendrix, I just said that I've seen people that have. And what is your issue with this whole thing anyways, so what if they're are mass media whores as you call them, that does not mean that they arent all greatly talented. Anyways, That's all I'm saying, if you wanna dispute it, then dispute it, I honestly dont care. We all have our opinions, and I respect that.

[A-chama]

I don't really want to continue this argument because it's kind of annoying:relief: But I'll say this...

I didn;t become interested in Gackt or any of the bands I liked because they were being marketed, hell, where I live.... I'm the only one who's even vaguely heard of Yoshiki or Miyavi.... so I don't think they're all that publicized.... And Actually I can say most (all) I know about Jrock I learned it online... :p

And to be honest... I didn't bother looking up info on any of the Jrockers I liked till WELL AFTER I started enjoying their music. I mean, what's the point of finding out more about a MUSICIAN if you don't like what he makes?

So okay... yes I like how they look I won't deny it... I have my fangirly moments... like I'm sure everyone does... but I'm a fangirl... because I think they deserve my admiration...:relief:

I'm not saying everyone is like this... but I know the people here... that have been discussing who's going to be in it and what not... have been doing so out of a genuine interest for the music they'll make... not simply because they're heavy marketed boyband XD

[Kikyos_Souls]

If they pick a bass player I think it should be a female. I can't think of any at the moment. I mean then it won't be a pretty boy band. Also it would surprise a lot if people who are expecting a male to take bass role.I know random, just it would be kinda funny...
I'm also sure Yoshiki knows what he is doing. He is doing something he loves-making music, etc. etc. and we just have to wait and see what will come of all this.
All I wish them is good luck!

[A-chama]

Hmmm actually that WOULD bet interesting and definitly different if they had a girl bassist! It might even be fun!

What ever the case of course I think Yoshiki knows what he;s doing after all XDD He has been in the industry for a long time!

[dakkii]

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! god damn... i thought JREF at LEAST would be free of drama and trolling... man, i should go back to batsu... x_x

sakevi... if you don't like the music (even though they haven't $%^%$ released anything yet...) then... don't post on the "fans of the yoshikixgacktxsugizoxmyv superband congregate!" thread. i'm not being crazy, it's perfectly logical. so you think SKIN and all its parts will be ****... ok, whatever, but you're not going to CONVINCE people or anything by posting it here... i mean, we *are* insane/drooling/stalking fangirls-that-only-care-about-looks-oh-gackt-marry-me-even-though-i'm-300+-pounds-and-14-years-old... we're not going to "see the light", i guarantee you that. so... why waste each other's lives?

and as one of the people at JREV, i dunno, would you rather we were completely silent the whole time? maybe we could all sit with our ankles crossed and clap lightly? it's a CONCERT. you HEADBANG and you SCREAM and you HAVE FUUUN. more noise=more support for the band... how horrible would it be to be a rock band playing in front of a full SILENT house... and i speak as a performer... that would be the worst. i would rather have people cheering me on while i'm performing in a STAGE PLAY than sitting unresponsively, let alone at a CONCERT directed at people below the age of 50.

sorry... i usually am really nice to people and hate confrontation... but trolls just bother me, especially when they don't even argue something logical... something that is fact as opposed to opinion and judgment. ^_^ have a nice day... maybe someday we'll agree on something...

[Kikyos_Souls]

dakkii Wow! Good rant! :cool:

[dakkii]

:blush: i've had the opportunity to polish it a couple times now... unfortunately :(

[Nan Desu Ka]

man I cant freakin wait to hear what meev's and sugizo will do together on guitar. I've been watching some of their pv's and stuff. They are gonna kick *** on guitar.
case in point:
sugizo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hXiOcoIis
miyavi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUe2KocrBo

NOTE: That's obviously not a pv, but it is of course meev's song.

[Kikyos_Souls]

:blush: i've had the opportunity to polish it a couple times now... unfortunately :(
Well it's better then just posting whatever and not getting your full point across and then forgetting to put something, etc. :-)

[Child_prey]

But the spirit of your post stays intact :-)
He left X because he had a different vision of Yoshiki's music project and management of the band; do you really think he will join this supaaaband??
It would make a nice reunion :-)
And hey, I did change to some... some is a big and powerful word meaning that yes, if he really wanted to create a "superband" he would have chosen others but still, to have these 4 on stage is like some type of dream. I do agree with you by the way, that media thing. This band is mostly for show, something fun for the fans... but I still support this project.
*pukes on Yoshiki*
Sourpuss don't be so mean!!! :(

[GuitarAddict]

Wow you don't check this thread a couple of days and all hell breaks loose hehe :p I think Sakevi is just bitter cause he/she had some bad experiences or is just bored.

And about Yoshiki he really is a great musician, sure there is always some marketing needed but that marketing doesn't reach europe and still I love J-bands and many do with me without being influenced by marketing.

@ A-chama
Yeah everyone has fangirls moments, at Ayabie's live I screamed too to let them now they where welcome and not playing for a bunch of zombies and I'm sure that an active crowd gives them alot of energie to make a great show.

[A-chama]

I totally agree with what everyone has said !

And dakkii I love your speach you deserve a metal <3

[Child_prey]

And about Yoshiki he really is a great musician, sure there is always some marketing needed but that marketing doesn't reach europe and still I love J-bands and many do with me without being influenced by marketing.


I was thinking the same, we aren't exposed to their endless tries of getting us to buy a doll or candy with their name on it, we are only exposed to the music and that's because we search for it, it doesn't come to us.
And besides, who that has gone MAJOR ISN'T selling them selves one way or another, some do it by putting their face everywhere others by releaseing 1000 CDs and DVDs, if you intend to be in showbusiness you have to flirt with the media.

[SaKeVi]

Let's see, just the important and not the buttkissers:


sakevi... if you don't like the music (even though they haven't $%^%$ released anything yet...) then... don't post on the "fans of the yoshikixgacktxsugizoxmyv superband congregate!" thread. i'm not being crazy, it's perfectly logical. so you think SKIN and all its parts will be ****... ok, whatever, but you're not going to CONVINCE people or anything by posting it here... i mean, we *are* insane/drooling/stalking fangirls-that-only-care-about-looks-oh-gackt-marry-me-even-though-i'm-300+-pounds-and-14-years-old... we're not going to "see the light", i guarantee you that. so... why waste each other's lives?

The keyword for today is FORUM, not fanlisting. You are as free to ignore me as I'm free to post whatever I want here while I don't break the FORUM rules, capish??

If everybody think I'm a bitter guy, then, jump my post and continue posting and agreeing with all your friends crap :-)

and as one of the people at JREV, i dunno, would you rather we were completely silent the whole time? maybe we could all sit with our ankles crossed and clap lightly? it's a CONCERT. you HEADBANG and you SCREAM and you HAVE FUUUN. more noise=more support for the band... how horrible would it be to be a rock band playing in front of a full SILENT house... and i speak as a performer... that would be the worst. i would rather have people cheering me on while i'm performing in a STAGE PLAY than sitting unresponsively, let alone at a CONCERT directed at people below the age of 50.

Guess what: I'm also a musician (a drummer) and I really can't stand the stupid screaming of fangirls... call me an old guy or whatever, but I prefer people to recognize my music rather than my look; all of you just scream to the guys on stage, not the music. It's not a damn fashion stage.

sorry... i usually am really nice to people and hate confrontation... but trolls just bother me, especially when they don't even argue something logical... something that is fact as opposed to opinion and judgment. ^_^ have a nice day... maybe someday we'll agree on something...

Heh, I'm always nice to people (not just usually) and LOVE confrontation... but annoying fangirls really bother me, specially when they don't argue anything logical. The day we agree on something, I'll shoot to my head, I prefer to be dead rather than being a rabid fanboy.

It would make a nice reunion

No doubt about that ^^ I mean, they used to be great friends even before Taiji joined X, when he was guitar player of Dementia they used to live in the same apartment. The music took them to opossite ways, surely it will bring them back together one day :cool:

And hey, I did change to some... some is a big and powerful word meaning that yes, if he really wanted to create a "superband" he would have chosen others but still, to have these 4 on stage is like some type of dream. I do agree with you by the way, that media thing. This band is mostly for show, something fun for the fans... but I still support this project.

Sorry, I skipped that part of your last post. You're right :cool:

But I don't support this project: if Yoshiki is a good musician he should continue demonstrating that... he is just doing again what he did in 1990: dissapointing his old fans, the ones that respected him for the things he did in music, not the media.

I think Sakevi is just bitter cause he/she had some bad experiences or is just bored.

Somebody must have a different opinion here; it's boring to read the same things everywhere, like if all of you just make "copy&paste" in every forum I see...

Also, my psychologist didn't know why I do this things for many years, I should have paid you, I could have saved some money hahaha :p

Why I do this?? I hate fangirls.

And about Yoshiki he really is a great musician, sure there is always some marketing needed but that marketing doesn't reach europe and still I love J-bands and many do with me without being influenced by marketing.

That's a big contradiction: the J tag is a marketing tag (wrongly used by western fans to refer japanese music) so, you're also exposed to that marketing.

And besides, who that has gone MAJOR ISN'T selling them selves one way or another, some do it by putting their face everywhere others by releaseing 1000 CDs and DVDs, if you intend to be in showbusiness you have to flirt with the media.

:okashii:

One thing is selling your music putting 1,000 CD's in a music store, and another is selling condoms, plushies, wine, dolls or thongs with your face or band name on it... the big difference between musicians is that: I respect musicians for their music, not their marketing products.

So, if they like to show his body, make a model career!! and don't take the music as a facemask to make your broken dreams happen (Yoshiki dixit)

And don't worry, I'll be here as long as I respect some of you (Kinsao, Child_prey, Anchyy, DemonHunter...) see you around crazy people!!

[Nan Desu Ka]

hey sakevi, just curious. Who's your favorite japanese rock band? Oh and I'm not a fangirl, I dont think I would've bought over 60 cd's with my hard earned money if it was only about the looks, if that were the case I would've spent all my money on posters and plushies and crap, but instead I support my favorite artists/bands by purchasing there music because I truly love it. Oh and btw, I'm a guy lol.

[MYV_ANCafe_Lover]

Im not gonna be be big fan of this band. Miyavi, Yoshiki and Sugizo are awesome but I dont really like Gackt's vocals at all.
But there is one thing I'll be looking forward to.
MiyavixGackt fanservice.
*o*

[SaKeVi]

hey sakevi, just curious. Who's your favorite japanese rock band?

I've said this in other threats: X; I started to listen to them about 20 years ago with other bands as Loudness, Anthem etc. Probably it is a sentimental thing, because it was the first band my older brother made me listen (when I was a little sourpuss) Just remember that Yoshiki's band had 2 eras: X and later X-Japan... my favorite band is X in his X era (specially 1984-1989)

Anyways, I have a lot of bands I like, favorite eras of music (like the 1985-1988 indies era) and favorite musicians (I've named a few in some threats) I prefer not to get stuck in mass media or marketing artist, eventhough there are awesome musicians there (I'm always discussing with fans because I admire Sakura and throw sh*t to Yukihiro in L'arc)

And well, as I said you, after you listen to japanese music in general, it's a real shame that we just receive mostly crap like Visual Kei and jpop in general (jpop in its whole concept, not a music style as most of western people believe)

Oh and I'm not a fangirl, I dont think I would've bought over 60 cd's with my hard earned money if it was only about the looks, if that were the case I would've spent all my money on posters and plushies and crap, but instead I support my favorite artists/bands by purchasing there music because I truly love it. Oh and btw, I'm a guy lol.

Nice. I know most of you have music CD's or ripped mp3, but c'mon, just look at any threat in this "music" forum and you can realize what is the common topic to talk in almost every band threat... I started to fight here in JREF in a drummers topic (I remember that) because, instead of talking about technique or something else, they were talking about who was the cutest drummer and who was exciting to see.

Don't worry, from now on, I will talk about fangirls/fanboys in general :p

[dakkii]

ok, i agree that i should have skipped your comment/attack/whatever, but now you have personally attacked me ("nice" my ***).

how dare you assume i am a fangirl. how dare you. girugamesh is one of my favorite bands, and they are hideous. i screamed as loud as they could when they came on stage because i love their MUSIC. do you really think i would pay money on plane tickets and concert tickets and food and waste my entire weekend waiting in line (12 hours) in the sun to listen to some **** music? if i gave a **** about looks, i would have lined up early for the first day... and maybe got in line for the merch stand the second i got in there as opposed to finding a good place for the *actual* concert (PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT!!! WTF?!?!).. and i would have spent the whole thing taking pictures instead of headbanging. and i don't know the personalities of all my favorite jrockers. i don't make graphics/ write fanfiction about them. i don't even know most of their names. all i know about them is that i like tracks 1 thru 12. and i agree with what nan desu ka said.

and for someone so against fangirls, you seem to be a little preoccupied with looks yourself (is one's music immediately bad if they don't resemble a hair ape?) the screaming thing-- that's your own opinion. that's fine. tell your fans not to scream like that, bring earplugs to concerts, whatever. but don't assume that cheering at concerts=fangirls.

i can't talk about specific techiniques because i'm not a musician... but i like to discuss the *actual* music and interpret the lyrics... i'm synetsthetic, so it's difficult for me to explain in words sometimes, but i try. i agree that this forum in particular is FULL of fangirls (and i agree that some VK fans prey on these girls now XD), but that doesn't mean we all are. maybe it has something to do with each artist getting only one thread (ie. a song thread vs. a zomg-your-fav-yaoi-pairing!!! thread). Dir en grey is my favorite band... and that fanbase is INFAMOUS for being fangirly and horrid... i get fed up with diru fans often nowadays... but it's the MUSIC that keeps me with them... if i just liked them because they were good-looking, i would just move on and find another "good-looking" band (it wouldn't be hard as, like you say, most of the VK market of late is just pretty bands and recycled/mediocre music-- but a note: don't generalize. i like a lot of REALLY indies VK music that doesn't rely on the "pretty boy" look).

ok, i'm almost done: now i know we're not exactly being friendly to one another, but what does LOUDNESS sound like? i was thinking of getting some...

[A-chama]

Is this argument done? I mean I love how everyone agrees that fangirls are annoying and whatnot.... but I don't really think this is what this topic is about :relief:

And please don't start bashing me for saying this... I mean I respect whatever opinions you hold (Nan desu ka and SakeVi) but ... I don't really feel like having this thread turn into a war :relief:

[SaKeVi]

ok, i agree that i should have skipped your comment/attack/whatever, but now you have personally attacked me ("nice" my ***).

And you should have skipped it again, but it looks like you like to fight/argue/discuss/annoy/bleh bleh people too... we are not that different :-)

Nice your ***?? I must see that :okashii:

how dare you assume i am a fangirl. how dare you.

You were absorbed by the common attitude of this forum; looking to some of your post (even in this threat) you just look like a fangirl newbie, good for you!!!

girugamesh is one of my favorite bands, and they are hideous. i screamed as loud as they could when they came on stage because i love their MUSIC.

Nice, you screamed even they weren't playing the music you like

do you really think i would pay money on plane tickets and concert tickets and food and waste my entire weekend waiting in line (12 hours) in the sun to listen to some **** music? if i gave a **** about looks, i would have lined up early for the first day... and maybe got in line for the merch stand the second i got in there as opposed to finding a good place for the *actual* concert (PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT!!! WTF?!?!).. and i would have spent the whole thing taking pictures instead of headbanging. and i don't know the personalities of all my favorite jrockers. i don't make graphics/ write fanfiction about them. i don't even know most of their names. all i know about them is that i like tracks 1 thru 12. and i agree with what nan desu ka said.

Nice.

and for someone so against fangirls, you seem to be a little preoccupied with looks yourself (is one's music immediately bad if they don't resemble a hair ape?) the screaming thing-- that's your own opinion. that's fine. tell your fans not to scream like that, bring earplugs to concerts, whatever. but don't assume that cheering at concerts=fangirls.

1.- I'm not saying that being pretty makes you a bad artist (just look at me :bluush: ) or being ugly makes you an awesome artist... the fact here is that in Visual Kei industry, since 1996, they are more focused to bring kawaii people on stage and lame music, just for YOUR pleasure (fangirls).

I'm preoccupied for that because I also know the beginning of Visual (Visual, period) in Japan, and how it was deformed into a crappy business circus called Visual Kei (yeah, with the Kei included) by a disgusting guy that just care about the look and not the music. You should check Visual Scandal (1980) to see what's a TRUE glam/Visual band, and how perfect they used to combine their MUSIC with their LOOK, creating a perfect atmosphere, making what your new idols destroyed for the name of the money.

I have played for several punk bands (a japanese one included) for jazz improvisation and also thrash metal bands... I don't think I need to say those crowds how to behave: I just LOVE that (and specially in Mexico)


i agree that this forum in particular is FULL of fangirls (and i agree that some VK fans prey on these girls now XD), but that doesn't mean we all are. maybe it has something to do with each artist getting only one thread (ie. a song thread vs. a zomg-your-fav-yaoi-pairing!!! thread). Dir en grey is my favorite band... and that fanbase is INFAMOUS for being fangirly and horrid... i get fed up with diru fans often nowadays... but it's the MUSIC that keeps me with them... if i just liked them because they were good-looking, i would just move on and find another "good-looking" band (it wouldn't be hard as, like you say, most of the VK market of late is just pretty bands and recycled/mediocre music-- but a note: don't generalize. i like a lot of REALLY indies VK music that doesn't rely on the "pretty boy" look).

As I said, they absorbed most of you into their garbage, and you don't notice, but all of you just started to act like fangirls.

ok, i'm almost done: now i know we're not exactly being friendly to one another, but what does LOUDNESS sound like? i was thinking of getting some...

It sound just like their name, and they have one of the best guitar players in Japan (and the most recognized around the world) named Akira Takasaki.

80's heavy metal for a bigger reference.

Is this argument done?

It will be when fangirls dissapear.

[A-chama]

One note... I think dakki was saying she screamed because she like the music despite them LOOKING hideous... :relief:

And ... some how I think fangirls aren't ever going to disappear... at least the bad kind of fangirls XD ]

I mean technically if you;re a "fan" and you're a "girl" that makes you a "fangirl" and same with guys if you a "fan" and you're a "boy" then you're a "fanboy" .... :relief: there are just some fans have less good reasons then others for liking a certain artists...

Anyway... I just really meant that this thread isn't really about bashing fan-anythings :relief:

It's about the band called S.K.I.N. and of course you're allowed to say whatever you like about, weather that means you hate it and the concept or you like it and think it's the best think since sliced bread... or whatever.... :relief:

Anyway sorry to rambled... I just don't really like arguing.... :relief:

[dakkii]

>> which will be never... there will always be fangirls >_<

"Nice, you screamed even they weren't playing the music you like"
...nooo... when did i say that? O_o

and i agree i have acted fangirly on this forum at times because it's what everyone else is doing. yes, conformity, bad me. but for me, i'm the only one in my area that likes jrock. i've all but given up on intelligent discussion, but at least *some* vain talk on a favorite band is better than nothing. i know you disagree, but i'm basically all alone in my music and all my friends tease me about it (and "internet friends" aren't really real friends).

besides, saying something "fangirly" isn't the END OF THE WORLD if you just do it once in a while... if it's on TOP of your love for the music. meh... this will probably be misunderstood... i'm not condoning fangirlism at ALL. *prepairs to be jumped on*

can someone make a "fangirl" topic and a mod move the last few posts into it? we're way off topic...

[SaKeVi]

And ... some how I think fangirls aren't ever going to disappear... at least the bad kind of fangirls XD ]

Unfortunately no, so, you wil see me here bullying them :-)

I mean technically if you;re a "fan" and you're a "girl" that makes you a "fangirl" and same with guys if you a "fan" and you're a "boy" then you're a "fanboy" .... there are just some fans have less good reasons then others for liking a certain artists...

Hmmm.

We can see fanatics as a shared passion for an unique objetive, and an absolute value is given to that objetive. So, when you believe in something over all, you can call yourself a fanatic.

The fanatic is extremely urgent and needed to stick to something... after this you can see how you behave and if you are really a fanatic, or in this case, a fangirl or a fanboy; and not just "believe" in that word technically. :p

>> which will be never... there will always be fangirls >_<

I know...

"Nice, you screamed even they weren't playing the music you like"
...nooo... when did i say that? O_o

I assumed that because when a band comes to stage, they usually make it walking and take their positions and instruments... unless they started playing.

and i agree i have acted fangirly on this forum at times because it's what everyone else is doing. yes, conformity, bad me. but for me, i'm the only one in my area that likes jrock. i've all but given up on intelligent discussion, but at least *some* vain talk on a favorite band is better than nothing. i know you disagree, but i'm basically all alone in my music and all my friends tease me about it (and "internet friends" aren't really real friends).

The first step is accept that :-)

And mmm, I'm dissapointed in your second point: that shouldn't be a reason to give it up and became a fangilr "sometimes". I'm also alone in my music taste, but hey, if they don't agree, f*ck'em!!! I won't throw away my attitude, my way of being or my point of view just to fit in a small (and stupid) group of people that can't see beyond their noses.

You can notice that with my posts here, and everywhere.

besides, saying something "fangirly" isn't the END OF THE WORLD if you just do it once in a while... if it's on TOP of your love for the music. meh... this will probably be misunderstood... i'm not condoning fangirlism at ALL. *prepairs to be jumped on*

Once in a while... twice in a while... until it becomes a custom or a repetitive behave. Be aware of that, because it will happen and you won't notice that until another SaKeVi shows up and points you.

There was a threat of rabid fangirls somewhere; I fought there too.

Probably Yoshiki's new fashion project won't make covers... he is so cheap to pay for using those song covers =P

[A-chama]

I think there;s a difference between "fan" and "fanatic" ... :relief:

but whatever the case... this isn't really where this should be dicussed ne??? :relief:

[Nan Desu Ka]

speaking of dir en grey(points to dakki's post about five posts back lol), how awesome is the pledge? I love that song, to me it seems like Kyo puts so much more into the songs were he actually sings rather than just screaming through the whole thing like agitated screams. Songs like the pledge, the final, concieved sorrow,Ryojoku no Ame, and Namamekashiki Ansoku Tomadoi ni Hohoemi are so damn good, kyo puts so much more emotion and power into those songs, they just seem so much better than their others.

back on topic: after SKIN performs at anime expo they are gonna start an American tour! I cant wait =]

[dakkii]

@sakevi- yea i agree... on i think every other forum i'm on i am much more concious of fangirlism because sakevi's are everywhere ^_^ sometimes even i'm one O_O but here, you see, you're one of the few whistle-blowers, so normal anti-fangirls can slip into fangirlism without realizing it... i know i'm doing because i change the second i go on another site... but here you HAVE to emerse yourself in them because there *is* only one thread per band... yay for jref!!

@a-chama- yea... "fangirl" probably used to mean just "a fan that's a girl", but fans that love bands for the looks or the fanservice invaded the fanbase so that the term changed meaning... my guess at least. it's stupid, but so is the idea of obsesively following a band of pretty boys that make out with each other for people's amusement... @_@

@nan desu ka- yea i love the pledge <3 the songs you listed are some of my favorites (though 90% of diru's music is my favorite)... but i also think the screaming holds strong emotion in it as well... but i'm also a fan of harder music. ah! let's discuss this on the Dir en grey thread (i forget what we're talking about on there right now...)

SKIN: uh... is anyone going to AX to see them? i'm trying to get over there, but it's gonna be pretty impossible for me... even though i live pretty close.

[Kikyos_Souls]

In the end we all are sheep and I see blue, you see green and so on and so further. Although I must admit the rants/arguments/whatever are kinda amusing and very entertaining to read. I was laughing with delight at the mayhem...(pokes dakkii and SaKeVi).
I love how A-chama was constantly putting :relief: and trying to clear everything up...Will this go on I wonder?

Does anyone know what Skin stands for, like am I spelling it right or is it S.K.I.N?


Nan Desu Ka- Totally agree with you about Kyo!:-)

[dakkii]

i think it's pretty over... since we are in agreement *somewhat*... and yea A-chama thanks for stepping into the fireing zone to try to resolve things <3

i don't think it's S.K.I.N., just "SKIN"... and i don't think it stands for enything other than epidermis ^_^ why yoshiki chose that name, i don't know. it puts funny pictures into my head...

[Nan Desu Ka]

I'm not sure if it stands for something or not lol maybe they just thought skin sounded cool XD it would be cool though if it was an acronym just cause S.K.I.N looks cooler than SKIN hahaha

[Kikyos_Souls]

Yeah...It seems kinda kinky in a way...Skin...
I wish I could see them at the anime expo. Japanese bands almost never come to Canada! :(
I am not too sure I would like to see any fanservice happening actually...I like them all but...*shakes head*
I'm more interested in to what they will sound like. I mean they all have pretty different music styles...

[Nan Desu Ka]

It makes me wonder though, if they are already going to be performing in a month at AX and then touring, what music will they perform? Is it just going to be covers like sakevi suggested or maybe are they already working on something? It's possible they could have something in the works, the whole meev's as guitarist rumor started in like december and we pretty much new it was him back then because he basically said it himself so maybe they've been working on music for months now in secret ne? lol

[dakkii]

XD fanservice? XD XD XD bleh... all of them are old besides miyavi... it would be like old-people sex =P or pedophilia, depending on pairings of whatever XD

... i can't believe why people like fanservice... but i suppose that's for the fangirl thread *pimps own thread created 30 seconds ago*

[Nan Desu Ka]

am I the only one wondering why they are already performing when they dont even have a bassist? Are they really gonna get one in just a month? And again, if they do get one before AX, when will they have time to make music, what will they perform? X Japan songs? lol

[Kikyos_Souls]

Nan Desu Ka You bring up some good points. X Japan songs??? I hope not! That would make me so sad, I think I would cry... I am sure they have something...possibly...maybe...:relief:

Yeah fanservice...No thank you!

[dakkii]

^yea i'm definately wondering that... will they even *get* a bassist in the future? i'm excited to see them perform and see what they do if i can go, but i kind of wish they would complete the band first and maybe give us more notice beforehand... and also WHY A CON?? they could easily attract a crowd on their own!! gr... i really hope they're doing more than covers, though, even if i'd like to hear gackt's voice on some of their older stuff (weird O_O but intriguing)

[Kikyos_Souls]

At first I thought Gackt is the singer??
I'm okay with it now I guess. I do love his voice, don't get me wrong but honestly he is the one who doesn't really fit for me now that I think about it...
Who knows what and why they are doing it this way.
As for a bass player maybe they will introduce them at the anime Expo??
Honestly my guess is as good as yours...:?

[Nan Desu Ka]

Can they even be fully complete without a bassist? I still think they should just talk kisaki out of retirement and get him lol. It seems like gackt is at least preparing for this band, he seems to be getting in the rock mood again lol he's grown his hair out long for the first time in like two years, and his newest song is rock, plus he looks all badass on the new cover. And yeah, his singing voice is generally pretty low, but he can sing as high as he wants lol just listen to songs like ares and illness illusion off of mars.

[Nan Desu Ka]

Did you guys know that before hide died yoshiki and the guys in X were going to try and make a comeback. They were even auditioning new potential lead singers and guess who was the main consideration? That's right, our good buddy gackt, even though at the moment (though not for much longer of course) he was with malice mizer they wanted him to be the new lead singer to take toshi's place. Of course gackt and yoshiki's were friends even back then. But yeah, hide died (=/) and the dream kind of went with him. Who knows if it even would've happened though, obviously gackt had going solo on his mind XD. I read that somewhere ages ago though I cant remember where lol. Imagine if it had really happened? How crazy would that've been, X may have still even been around today if that had happened. Though again I doubt that, ol' gackt probly would've gone solo at some point haha.

[Kikyos_Souls]

Wow! I never knew that...Aww hide! :(

I would have liked to have seen a reunion. Although I don't know, even with Gackt replacing Toshi, I don't think it would be X Japan for me.

[Nan Desu Ka]

lol it sure would've been interesting.


By the way, am I the only one that thinks toshi's in a damn cult? You read what he says about this MASAYA (nice play on words : masaya=messiah = jesus/lord/saviour/etc.) it's ridiculously obvious that it's a cult. Just go to his website and read the interview, cult cult cult! lol. At least he's happy now, but he alienated all his friends and family and all for this masaya person who he basically worships. It mentions something about you cant have your own ideals. Geeze that's nice you cant think for yourself or have your own opinions or thoughts, you must follow the way of masaya, cult much!?

sorry, that's just been kinda bottling up inside me ever since I found out a few weeks ago why toshi left X to begin with.

Also I kinda sorta blame toshi for hide's death. Who knows if things hadn't happened the way they did maybe hide would still be alive. I dunno that's probly mostly me just wanting to blame someone other than hide for his own death =/

Sorry again, Im kinda ranting XP

[Kikyos_Souls]

Yeah I heard about this cult too...I thought he left it?? Weirder things have happened I am sure that would make a lead singer leave his band and follow some nut case.
I also heard that this wasn't the reason. I forget the other reason...
I felt sorry for the rest of X when he left cause they were sorta stranded and like "Uh yeah now what?"
No doubt having Gackt for a lead singer would have been interesting.
I heard he left Malice Mizer cause him and Mana-sama would argue over musical direction. Now I am wondering if that will happen in the new band...Which I guarantee it will.
I think they all have their bossy, It's-all-about-what-I-Say streaks and that can't be too good...

Hey wait I don't blame Toshi but I have often wondered what if they didn't break up...would hide still be around?...Then there's that whole debate well if he was still around hide might not be as big as he is today and XYZ. Like I care, I would still want him alive today!

[Nan Desu Ka]

yeah, like I said in the skin thread though, hopefully in the long years since these guys were each leaders in big vkei bands they've all matured, they are all sure to have big ego's but I think they'll try to make it work for the fans

[Kikyos_Souls]

True. I mean we can at least hope they have matured, although there is Miyavi, but I am sure he is just like awe struck to really argue or what not with his elders.
Why wasn't Gackt at the concert in LA when they announced Miyavi as the fourth member?

[Nan Desu Ka]

I guess he's sick and was in the hospital so he couldn't come.

[Child_prey]

Guess what: I'm also a musician (a drummer) and I really can't stand the stupid screaming of fangirls... call me an old guy or whatever, but I prefer people to recognize my music rather than my look; all of you just scream to the guys on stage, not the music. It's not a damn fashion stage.
Heh, I'm always nice to people (not just usually) and LOVE confrontation... but annoying fangirls really bother me, specially when they don't argue anything logical. The day we agree on something, I'll shoot to my head, I prefer to be dead rather than being a rabid fanboy.
Damn right girlfriend! *snaps fingers* :D
Allthough, I believe that they don't mind girls screaming their heads off, it's a powersymbol, people go crazy and faint when they see you because you are so good/hot/whatever. If I was a rocker I sure as hell wouldn't mind! As long as it don't end in me going deaf :-)
But music does and always will come first, they can be as pretty as they wanna be, if they can't make me groove to the beat then they might as well just go home and go to sleep! :blush: If that wasn't true then I would be a Miyavi fan right?! :p

No doubt about that ^^ I mean, they used to be great friends even before Taiji joined X, when he was guitar player of Dementia they used to live in the same apartment. The music took them to opossite ways, surely it will bring them back together one day :cool:
That would be such a dream come true, see them work together again^^

One thing is selling your music putting 1,000 CD's in a music store, and another is selling condoms, plushies, wine, dolls or thongs with your face or band name on it... the big difference between musicians is that: I respect musicians for their music, not their marketing products.
So, if they like to show his body, make a model career!! and don't take the music as a facemask to make your broken dreams happen (Yoshiki dixit)

I personally don't care what they do as long as it doesn't interfere with their music.
C'mon, who is "real" these days?! The only way you can be that is if you stay away from the media light and that means that you are still playing in a tiny cave-like club in Hokkaido on your fathers old guitar and have to bring your own speaker from home. You won't find that guy/girl anywhere unless you are sitting in that club so ofcourse they want to make them selves seen/heard. And that involves releasing 675 CDs and 5656 DVDs with "never been seen" extra material and sell candy with your face on it.
Again, the music comes first, the candy second ;)

And don't worry, I'll be here as long as I respect some of you (Kinsao, Child_prey, Anchyy, DemonHunter...) see you around crazy people!!
I knew you loved me Mr Sourpuss ;)

[A-chama]

@ Things said a few posts back... I don't mind helping because I like this thread~ I'm a very curious person and for me this new band is very, very mysterious and I want to find out more about.... so I don't want this place to turn into a war zone :relief:

As for the bassist thing I have a theory which goes something like this and is based on the following facts:

#1 The fact that (something me and my friend discussed at length....) the rumour that Kisaki would be the bassist HAS gotten stronger lately

#2 The fact that Phantasmagoria is being "sealed" and that they were talking about the disbandment even before Kisaki annonced that he would be retiring from the music scene.

#3 I also heard (and this was discussed here at some point....) that it seemed like they might not HAVE a bassit at all...

Anyway what I think is that yes Kisaki was going to be the bassist however for some reason he changed his mind/decided to retire from the music scene as a bassist therefore... I think right now they don't have or that they had one (Kisaki) but he changed his mind and therefore they don't have one right now...

I might be totally wrong but this seems plausible....

And while I love Gackt, I think he has amazing vocals... I can't see him as part of X Japan XD... I even have a hard time thinking of him in a band of any kind... and so I just can't see him in X Japan at alll....

Thought to be honest while a reunion HAS been mention... I don't think it will be for a while yet...

[MYV_ANCafe_Lover]

One thing that I find kinda strange is that didn't Yoshiki say he would never be in a band again ever since hide died?
And now he is creating a new band. I know he went through all that depression after hide's death but hm..maybe it is better for him to start a new band. It would make hide happy ne?

and as a bassist...hmm I've never heard kisaki play before so I cant say if he's super good or not. doesnt gackt play bass? hes like a multi instrumental dude right? hm..but they seriously need to pick a bass and make it official, bass is my fav instrument and a band without an official bass would make me v_v

[SaKeVi]

Well, things calmed down, and I want to keep them like that, but heh, I read this and make me angry again:


By the way, am I the only one that thinks toshi's in a damn cult? You read what he says about this MASAYA (nice play on words : masaya=messiah = jesus/lord/saviour/etc.) it's ridiculously obvious that it's a cult. Just go to his website and read the interview, cult cult cult! lol. At least he's happy now, but he alienated all his friends and family and all for this masaya person who he basically worships. It mentions something about you cant have your own ideals. Geeze that's nice you cant think for yourself or have your own opinions or thoughts, you must follow the way of masaya, cult much!?

sorry, that's just been kinda bottling up inside me ever since I found out a few weeks ago why toshi left X to begin with.

Also I kinda sorta blame toshi for hide's death. Who knows if things hadn't happened the way they did maybe hide would still be alive. I dunno that's probly mostly me just wanting to blame someone other than hide for his own death =/

Sorry again, Im kinda ranting XP

As I said, I don't want to fight here again... I posted the TRUE REASONS and why Toshi left the band in mmm, I don't remember if it was in Yoshiki's threat or X-Japan threat.

You're faaaar away from reality: he didn't join a cult, that's actually a stupid fangirl argument that came up years ago to blame somebody because a band era just ended. As I posted before, those annoying fangirls just see the world in one color, and they made that up (the cult sh*t) to justify (with disgusting lies) why their favorite band disbanded, not blaming their idol (Yoshiki) by making "his" band a big *****.

So, please... if you want to understand this with more arguments, check those threats I told you and check my posts there. Toshi joining a cult is one of the biggest lies about X-Japan.

And also, the original plan of bringing back X-Japan in 2000/2001 was moving hide to vocals, and hire a new guitar player... this was because hide was able to sing X songs in a weird way respecting the scale of the songs, and because Yoshiki used to create X songs based in Toshi's voice (we all know how he reached high scales)

Hiring a new vocal meant creating new songs and modify old songs... that's why their plan was to hire a new guitar player and not a vocal.

I knew you loved me Mr Sourpuss ;)

Unfortunately I don't know why =/

[Nan Desu Ka]

I'm only calling it like I see it, I had no idea that was the fangirl opinion and I could care less if it is, that's just the way it seems to me, and to me it seems overly obvious that it's a cult.

Besides, I'm not even a big fan of X, I only just found out about the whole thing a few months ago. So the whole fangirl one minded excuse as to why X disbanded has nothing to do with me and truthfully I could care less that they disbanded, I found out about the yoshiki gackt thing awhile back and looked into yoshiki and found out about X.

Later on I read in yoshiki's blog about the potential reunion so I found toshi's website to read about it and I read about this Masaya and to me it seemed to clearly be a cult.

and I think I should know, I had a friend who was in a cult once, it was ****** up, and this all sounds a little too familiar. He was practically brainwashed, his parents were able to get him out but the whole thing was messed up. It was a few years back when I was in high school, but I remember all too well. He pretty much worshiped some fool who thought he was God, he couldn't think for himself, he left his friends and family, the people who actually loved him, again it's all sounding a little familiar huh? It's obvious to me Toshi's in a cult.

[Kikyos_Souls]

Although hide replacing Toshi, I would not have minded that. I loved hide's voice and he is without a doubt my favorite Japanese singer/guitarist.

MYV_ANCafe_Lover I agree with you on the bass. Bass is my favorite as well and I think they need one. :cool:
I think it's enough Gackt is their singer...I really do like him but I really don't want him as singer/bass player although he is insanely talented. Maybe that's just me...
I read somewhere that Yoshiki claimed he would never play drums again after hide's passing but I am sure hide would be very happy that Yoshiki has changed his mind.

[SaKeVi]

I'm only calling it like I see it, I had no idea that was the fangirl opinion and I could care less if it is, that's just the way it seems to me, and to me it seems overly obvious that it's a cult.

Besides, I'm not even a big fan of X, I only just found out about the whole thing a few months ago. So the whole fangirl one minded excuse as to why X disbanded has nothing to do with me and truthfully I could care less that they disbanded, I found out about the yoshiki gackt thing awhile back and looked into yoshiki and found out about X.

Later on I read in yoshiki's blog about the potential reunion so I found toshi's website to read about it and I read about this Masaya and to me it seemed to clearly be a cult.

and I think I should know, I had a friend who was in a cult once, it was ****** up, and this all sounds a little too familiar. He was practically brainwashed, his parents were able to get him out but the whole thing was messed up. It was a few years back when I was in high school, but I remember all too well. He pretty much worshiped some fool who thought he was God, he couldn't think for himself, he left his friends and family, the people who actually loved him, again it's all sounding a little familiar huh? It's obvious to me Toshi's in a cult.

Well...

Maybe you don't know, but he was in X to go through an inferiority complex he had when he was young, he thought that being famous he would leave that on past... Yoshiki and hide always told him how to behave, dress and talk on stage, and as you can see, he was the first member who left behind the "agressive" image on the band. This happened because he was concerned about true problems in life, and as long as he was being more "mature", he realized that there were more important things than fame.

And then, he had an unauntenticity complex singing on X, and he wanted to go through that singing for Masaya... well, he found happiness, and how a happy person could show on stage to sing sad and painful songs?? he was honest and he said that he wasn't able to sing what he wasn't feeling at the moment... after all, if Yoshiki decided to be a public person (and people respect that) why can't we be glad to see that Toshi changed to be a happy and honest person??

If you want to know about Toshi's TRUE thoughts read his book called Aoi Hoshi no Tabibito, it could help you a little bit to understand why he left the band.

Parts of the stuff I've said in this forum about Toshi, Yoshiki and X in general ---> http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=717

Toshi was dissapointed because X members blamed him of the disband (well, he disbanded X, hahaha) and not taking into consideration what he was feeling too... why?? because Toshi wasn't comfortable singing in X anymore, he expressed that, but the attitude in the band was like "hmmm if you say so..."

And the Last Live wasn't going to be done, Yoshiki (sorry, X...) forced Toshi to make it, they addopted a childish attitude of "we are considering to make a last concert, but we don't know what Toshi is thinking..." making him feel so bad that he had to accept to sing in that Last Live.

More about what I've said about the band ---> http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19102

Also in hide's post you can find more info about them. Case closed here, any doubts? post there.

[dakkii]

that's really interesting... thank you for posting! has toshi's book been translated?

and i doubt they'll make gackt play bass... maybe they got someone to record the bass lines and they'll play them in? i kind of hope they don't do X covers though... because toShi's [typo] style is like the anti-gackt style... new stuff! *crosses fingers*

actually never mind. i hope they play horrible lame stuff if i can't go ^_^

[A-chama]

LOL right now... I just want to know who the bassist is XDD

[Nan Desu Ka]

that may be true sakevi but that still doesnt mean he's not in a cult. But I'm sick of arguing, you have your opinion on the subject, and I have mine, just like the last arguement we got in. I'm tired of this stuff lol.

[SaKeVi]

that may be true sakevi but that still doesnt mean he's not in a cult. But I'm sick of arguing, you have your opinion on the subject, and I have mine, just like the last arguement we got in. I'm tired of this stuff lol.

Yeah, I can't change your point of view.

I saw you posted that one of your friends was in a cult... well, my friends were involved with Toshi for many years; it's not my opinion, it's how things happened and I just brought it up because, for me, it is not fair to blame Toshi for everything, and also to lie about him and the "cult" he joined.

I'm tired of this too, I should listen to my friend who told me not to say all this kind of stuff, because nobody will believe in that. Keep on believing fangirls lies, it seems you like that.

Continue with your threat :cool:

[Kikyos_Souls]

Very interesting SaKeVi...Ditto on the Thank-you!

Honestly I can see both sides of the coin. Also sorry to say most sites *ahem* undoubtedly do blame some "cult" as a reason why Toshi left.
So it is hard to say...I mean you say your friends were "invovled" with Toshi, what does that mean? Did they know Toshi? Or are they big fans of him?
It can be interpreted two ways- What people say and what Toshi says.
Maybe there is a bit of truth in both stories, but I agree it wasn't ever Toshi's fault.
It's called closed doors people. We never get to see what is behind them and we only hear muffled discussion. So let's close this one and move along to discussing Skin or whatnot. Savvy?

[Nan Desu Ka]

and I accept that as the reason he left, it's perfectly plausible and believable, but my point is that even though toshi leaving x might not have had a thing to do with the cult, that doesn't mean he's not in a cult after all, it just means the cult wasnt why he left. I mean I believe you completely as to why he quit, that's fine and understandable, I just believe from my experience and what is a cult that it's fairly obvious he's in a cult. It has nothing to do with fangirlism, like I said before, I'm not even that in to X. Hell I only discovered jrock itself about a year ago, so all this **** is new to me anyways. And I'm sick of being called a fangirl and a liar, because I believe toshi is in a cult. I know first hand what a cult is and it is all too familiar what toshi has gotten himself into. The reason toshi quit the band is no longer the point of this argument.

I apologize for getting riled up, I just tend to take it personally when I'm insulted.

[mrgoddess]

Who's the vocalist going to be?? I wanted it to be Miyavi but I think Gackt'd be great too.

[Nan Desu Ka]

That's pretty much been confirmed as Gackt as far as I know ^^

[Child_prey]

SaKeVi I have a little Q for you...
I suddenly remembered thet both hide and Taiji have (I think it was blue) roses tatooed on their arms... Any connection, did the make them together as a sign of friendsip? There is this rumour that it has to do with Yoshiki since his favourite flowers are roses... Just felt like I wanted to know ^^ And change the subject, why are you discussing Toshi...o_O

[dakkii]

^because we need SOMETHING to argue about ^_^

eww i have to wake up in 2 hours... bleh... end-of-semester research papers suck >=P

[Nan Desu Ka]

And change the subject, why are you discussing Toshi...o_O

honestly I dont even know anymore

*is exhausted*

[Kinsao]

geez, I never visited this thread since nearly... years (? or watever :biggrin: ) so... yeah... I missed all the drama. :p

I'm really not excited about Skin, but that's only because I don't really like Gackt, Yoshiki or Sugizo all that much. :blush: ... as for Miyavi... well... there are some things I can like about his music (the variety), yet other things I can't stand *have never been a big fan of his music*, and I certainly think he's so over-rated as a guitarist. :souka: (note : I don't mean to say that he is 'bad' guitarist or has 'no' skills, just that I think he is over-rated compared with the world's awesome guitarists :relief: )

Personally, I think they should have had Teru from Aikaryu as their 2nd guitarist (if he wasn't already in Versailles... where I am waiting for him to be hidden under a bushel :kanashii: ).

As for bassist... I think they ought to have Crazy Cool Joe... now that would be fun! :dance: :D (if you don't know him, he played the bass for Kozi's first live and you can hear him at the live recording of Color Me Blood Red... fun bassline :p)

Either that or Kozi should do it... for the laugh... because I can imagine how him and Gackt would get on... NOT... :lol:

[SaKeVi]

So it is hard to say...I mean you say your friends were "involved" with Toshi, what does that mean? Did they know Toshi? Or are they big fans of him?

That they actually know Toshi. I also didn't know the reasons that made Toshi left the band; but fortunately those guys told me some stuff (more that I've posted far now) and I can't blame him for doing that.

Obviously it looks like he got brainwash, but that's not true, and also Masaya doesn't have a cult running in Japan. In the end, everybody have their own opinion, but if we want to make it "stronger", we should try to get all the info needed, so we can see both sides of history and not just believe that something's happening.

And I'm sick of being called a fangirl and a liar, because I believe toshi is in a cult.

You said that bro: believe.

SaKeVi I have a little Q for you...
I suddenly remembered thet both hide and Taiji have (I think it was blue) roses tatooed on their arms... Any connection, did the make them together as a sign of friendsip? There is this rumour that it has to do with Yoshiki since his favourite flowers are roses...

I wasn't aware of that detail... let me check that with some friends, if they know about it.

Probably it's the rose cult :relief:

And change the subject, why are you discussing Toshi...o_O

Because he has a shark jaw :-)

[Nan Desu Ka]

That they actually know Toshi. I also didn't know the reasons that made Toshi left the band; but fortunately those guys told me some stuff (more that I've posted far now) and I can't blame him for doing that.

Obviously it looks like he got brainwash, but that's not true, and also Masaya doesn't have a cult running in Japan. In the end, everybody have their own opinion, but if we want to make it "stronger", we should try to get all the info needed, so we can see both sides of history and not just believe that something's happening.



You said that bro: believe.



I wasn't aware of that detail... let me check that with some friends, if they know about it.

Probably it's the rose cult :relief:



Because he has a shark jaw :-)

I base my beliefs on what I know, not what I think, I know what a cult is from first hand experience, and based on what toshi has sayed about this masaya it is all to obvious to me that it's a cult.

But, forget it, no matter what I say you never listen, I'm done with this. It's been fun.

[Child_prey]

I wasn't aware of that detail... let me check that with some friends, if they know about it.

Probably it's the rose cult :relief:

Because he has a shark jaw :-)

Ooh, does that mean that I knew something you didn't?! :p
Im so cool!:-):blush:


He really does!! :D Such strange looking man...
And Yoshiki doesn't have a butt..since we are on the topic of appearances...:blush:

[SaKeVi]

I base my beliefs on what I know, not what I think, I know what a cult is from first hand experience, and based on what toshi has sayed about this masaya it is all to obvious to me that it's a cult.

But, forget it, no matter what I say you never listen, I'm done with this. It's been fun.

Yeah, this discussion is going nowhere... just to finish: I base my comments on what Toshi's friends know, and I think it says more than what it looks like. Toshi's feelings and ideas started waaay more before he met Masaya, he just found with him the complement he needed of his thoughts.

Maybe cults are well accepted in Japan: no one but rabid fangirls were worried about Toshi's new life in a cult. Neither friends or family, just rabid Yoshiki-lover's fangirls.

Ooh, does that mean that I knew something you didn't?!
Im so cool!

:okashii: !!! Hahaha, thanks for sharing that detail!! :cool:


And Yoshiki doesn't have a butt..since we are on the topic of appearances...

That's why he never reached his goal of being a girl :p

[dakkii]

O_O thanks to sakevi for the lovely picture i just got of chick-yoshiki and chick-gackt bxtch fighting with their talons XD i need sleep...

[Kikyos_Souls]

Wow this has been fun....
Rose cult indeed...I would also like to know more about this tattoo...I thought hide never had a tattoo....o.0

[Nan Desu Ka]

Hey guys, check this interview, I found it on jame usa. It seems I was right on the money when I guessed that they'd been working on an album in secret lol and it does look like they are going to have a bassist (at some point lol) this interview is awesome, the future of Jrock in america looks pretty damn bright! The thought of jrock revolution tour is so cool and that he plans on doing it again with more bands!!



JaME met with Yoshiki, the mastermind of the JRock Revolution event, in his dressing room at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles, California. The star was gracious enough to grant us an interview on day two of JRock Revolution, the evening after the confirmation of Miyavi as the 4th member of the super band SKIN.
We know you're extremely busy this evening, thank you for granting us a few moments of your time. Let's start with a few questions about tonight's event. How long have you been thinking about an event like JRock Revolution?
Yoshiki: About a year I guess. Maybe more like a year and a half.
What are your hopes and expectations for the event?
Yoshiki: First, I wanted to show all the band members their fan base outside of Japan. Many of the bands hear of their popularity here, but it seems to them to be more of a rumor. I wanted them to see the fans first hand. And also, I wanted to bring JRock to the US.
Where did you first get the idea?
Yoshiki: I saw Dir en grey live. They played here in this theatre. There were tons of fans at the show and the fan reaction was great, so I started thinking about it then. Also, I saw all the messages on my MySpace page, asking for Japanese bands.
You seem to be very in touch with your fan base. Do you think that's because of your MySpace page?
Yoshiki: Yes. When I was doing X-Japan, hide was the one. His role was to communicate with the fans, I was just the crazy leader, just doing whatever I wanted. Not to say that I didn't care about the fans, but hide was the one who played that role. But, we don't have hide anymore, so I think I should be the one to assume that role.
How were the bands that are participating selected?
Yoshiki: That was really hard. There were a lot of bands that wanted to come. It was really hard to make the schedule work, to make sure all the bands were available at the same time. Also, the JRock Revolution MySpace page ran some polls and did some research to see who the fans wanted the most, so we used that research as a reference. We wanted to make sure and bring a wide variety of bands, not just one genre.
Were there any bands that you really would have liked to have seen perform that were unable to make it?
Yoshiki: Yes, but this is just the beginning. There wasn't a lot of time when we planned the show. It was initially supposed to be 3 days with more bands, but there were many problems like visas, passports, and schedules. We decided to just keep it simpler this time so we could properly prepare. So next time we will have more time to prepare, and we'll bring the bands that weren't able to make it this time.
Would you take an event like this on tour?
Yoshiki: I'd love to, if it can be arranged. Logistically, it would have to be fewer bands. Having a tour with 9 or 10 bands would be too difficult to organize, and too costly. We'd need to tour with fewer bands to make it more efficient.
Why did you decide not to perform at the event? Many fans were hoping to see you take the stage and drum with a few of the bands.
Yoshiki: I don't know ....I wanted to make sure everything was organized first. If I performed there would probably be some kind of disaster (laughs).
Will you answer a few questions for us about your new band SKIN? Many fans are wondering about it..
Yoshiki: Sure, of course!
Do you have someone in mind to play bass?
Yoshiki: Actually ....we haven't decided (laughs).
Will there be an album, or just a series of live appearances?
Yoshiki: We're planning on releasing an album. We've already recorded rough versions of seven or eight songs. Everyone came here to Los Angeles in March for a few weeks so we could work on it.
What kind of a time frame do you have in mind for the band? Is this a short term project, or something we can expect more longevity from?
Yoshiki: Well, it's a band. You never know how long it will last (laughs). But, before we were a band we were all friends so I think it will last.
So that we don't take up any more of your time this evening, let's end with a final message for your fans.
Yoshiki: I have to say that without you guys I am pretty much nothing. I believe I exist because of my fans' support.

[GuitarAddict]

:cool: Tnx for posting
Funny that they still have to decide on a bassist, they should do an European tour too they won't have to worry about selling enought tickets I'll just drag some people along. Hmmm I think my grandma will enjoy a day out hehe:smug:

[A-chama]

LOL Yes your grandmother at a Jrock concert XD That would be great~

So they're STILL thinking on a bassist hmmm~ taht's kinda of weird... I mean since a bassist is kind of important... :relief: ...

[dakkii]

thank you!! that was really interesting... i'm curious as to who almost-but-didn't come! haha... myspace means something! XD

[Nan Desu Ka]

willing to bet gazette was one of them

[Kikyos_Souls]

Totally Gazette which was surprising to not see on the list of preformances!
Thank you so much for the interview Nan Desu Ka, that was very intriguing! I hope we hear more news!! <333 Yoshiki is so cute...That dorky grin of his makes me smile all the time.
I would love for them to go on a tour with 5 or 6 Japanese bands. That would be awesome as long as they come to Canada. :wave: There is a lot of fans up here!

[dakkii]

ok so apparently...
-gazette
-12012
-an cafe
-UnsraW (!!!!!)
-kra
were all supposed to be there (and i think i skipped a couple more...) ISN'T THAT INTENSE?!?! they are coming next year though... >_< they BETTER...

i want Sadie and lynch. to do jrev also... and moi dix mois, actually... hmm *wait let me think of MORE!*

[Nan Desu Ka]

ah **** ancafe too? Damn even though the concerts were awesome I would've killed to have gazette and ancafe there too

[Kikyos_Souls]

Awww but Bou?? He wouldn't be there with Ancafe cause hasn't he left already?? I really wanted to see Merry though.

[Nan Desu Ka]

that's probly why they couldn't come, they do have two new members but they are still learning the songs.

[A-chama]

Whatever the case they really have to come to Canada T__T I really would love to see them!

Them = Jrev XDDD

[Nan Desu Ka]

hey check this out,someone posted it in the miyavi thread, it's a skin teaser trailer and I think the song in the background might be one of the new songs Skin is working on...it's so cool =D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ypYrSP9MNpc

the video itself is the one they showed at Jrock Revolution but the song is so cool!! It's only a snippet though

[Kikyos_Souls]

It is very cool! For just their names and the snippet of music! XD
I am so excited, it seems like they have things on the go! *pumps fist into the air*

[Nan Desu Ka]

I've watched that video like 20 times lol I just love that song, I really hope it's going to be one they have on their album. I do know one thing for sure, it's definatly them. You can tell that's yoshiki on the piano and gackt singing plus meev's and sugi on the guitar, that really could be a cool song or even intro. yosh! this gets me excited! They need to set up a website already

[Kikyos_Souls]

Totally. I bet it is in the works right now :P <333

[Child_prey]

The first part of it made me go; Ehh??? But when the heavier part started I was like: YEAH!!! :cool:
I'm so excited!!:cheer::cheer:
They better tour Europe... *evil glare*

[Nan Desu Ka]

listening to that over again, I'm almost wondering if it's two piano's or two people on the piano, cause it's weird, one part is going slow kind of back and forth in a rhythm and the other one is going really fast, if you listen carefully it almost sounds like it could be two piano's. I wonder if gackt and yoshiki are doing piano at the beginning here, or if yoshiki is just that good lol

listen to it again, see if you can pick up two completely different rhythms and see what you think.

you might even check it out on miyavi's website rather than the youtube video, honestly it sounds clearer on meev's site, it'll pop up as soon as you get on it in a second small window.

oh and it's definatly spelled S.K.I.N but I wonder what it stands for???

[Kikyos_Souls]

Yeah you know what...I am no music expert but I am sure you are right. It does have two different scales happening.

Yah! I am happy it is spelt that way. It seems more for a better word cooler...I also wonder what it could possibly stand for. I also read they have 8 tracks for the S.K.I.N. album!
*throws confetti into air*

[Nan Desu Ka]

yeah they were secretly recording them in march =] and I totally called it lol

[Nan Desu Ka]

found this cool logo on gackts website =D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/trunksfan01/logo.gif

[Kikyos_Souls]

Oh nice!That would make a cool tattoo...