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PandaBearDragon
Aug 24, 2007, 13:44
Hello everyone,

I was watching a documentary on my cable TV yesterday on the subject of 1945 atomic bomb in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
This documentary tells this horriable account from the perspective of Japanise.

Watching those terriable scenes, I couldn't stop asking myself this question:
Do many Japanise resent or hate Americans for 1945 bombing?

What's your take on this?

nice gaijin
Aug 24, 2007, 16:57
Do Americans resent the Japanese for Pearl Harbor?

happyfeet
Aug 24, 2007, 20:53
I hear they still do, they just hide it well.

Mike Cash
Aug 24, 2007, 21:49
Man, I was so very much hoping we could make it through an August without this getting rehashed.

ArmandV
Aug 25, 2007, 00:20
Do Americans resent the Japanese for Pear Harbor?

Only if the cost of pears goes up.

nice gaijin
Aug 25, 2007, 00:39
holy omitted characters, batman!

fixed :D

EdZiomek
Aug 25, 2007, 02:36
I think most Americans are terrified of Atomic weapons, and deep down regret using these weapons against Japan and anyone.

Most sane Americans resent all war, all killing, all chemicals, all sanctions. Most Americans believe all politicians are money hungry corrupt persons.

It is unfair, but that is the way most Americans feel, I believe.

Mike Cash
Aug 25, 2007, 08:07
Could we at least have this moved to the proper subforum?

And could the OP at least pretend to make an effort to start new threads in the appropriate places? Please?

=w=eezer
Aug 25, 2007, 14:36
Do Americans resent the Japanese for Pearl Harbor?

haha, what a typical american comment..

Glenski
Aug 25, 2007, 22:24
Some resent it.
Some don't.
Some keep their feelings to themselves.
Some who have an opinion based on direct experience are still living. Others are not, so we'll never know.

I agree with Mike's replies.

nice gaijin
Aug 26, 2007, 02:49
haha, what a typical american comment..
What's typical about it? I was using a rhetorical question as a parallel to the original post. The answer is in the question, if you care to look.

GodEmperorLeto
Aug 26, 2007, 13:41
Anyone notice how PandaBearDragon brings up ridiculously incendiary topics and then disappears?

Oh well. It seems he's been b&.

I think most Americans are terrified of Atomic weapons, and deep down regret using these weapons against Japan and anyone.

Most sane Americans resent all war, all killing, all chemicals, all sanctions. Most Americans believe all politicians are money hungry corrupt persons.

It is unfair, but that is the way most Americans feel, I believe.

Thank you for saying this. Seriously.

What's typical about it? I was using a rhetorical question as a parallel to the original post. The answer is in the question, if you care to look.
He probably means that he can tell your an American because only an American would see Pearl Harbor as equal to Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Or maybe that only an American would think in such a way as to respond with another question to see what the original person asking was thinking.

But there's always a chance that he means, "What a typical imperialistic response. Do all imbred rich oil-consuming swine turn questions around on the person asking whenever they feel threatened?" You never know.

As for Pearl Harbor, I, personally, am not angry about it. I'm angry that the movie about it sucked. I paid $8 to see that piece of crap in theaters. Tora, Tora, Tora was much better. I don't resent the bombing. It's called WAR. Sometimes it happens between nations.

Heck, I don't even resent 9/11. What I resent is how the response was completely botched by my government, and I keep asking myself, "What the heck am I paying their salary for?"

As for the Japanese resenting the United States... Well, if they do, let them. It's not like everybody else doesn't resent us already.

Homerduff
Aug 26, 2007, 22:11
The older generation may still be angry, but most youngsters actually love everything that is American.

Sarapva
Aug 27, 2007, 01:56
I think most Americans are terrified of Atomic weapons, and deep down regret using these weapons against Japan and anyone.
Most sane Americans resent all war, all killing, all chemicals, all sanctions. Most Americans believe all politicians are money hungry corrupt persons.
It is unfair, but that is the way most Americans feel, I believe.

Thank you - I think you speak for most Americans on this! Our government commits atrocities against its own people by not funding social programs that would help us and keeping all their billions to themselves. Americans as a whole wouldn't want any war against any other nation. It's only the corrupt politicians that benefit from it.

Mike Cash
Aug 27, 2007, 03:41
If "most" Americans wanted Socialism.....America would have Socialism. That we do not amply demonstrates we do not. That you think the government has its own billions is sad and alarming.

Sarapva
Aug 27, 2007, 05:58
I don't mean the government as a whole, but a few corrupt politicians that are only looking out for their own wealth without considering the wealth of the people. I also wasn't talking about socialism, just adequate funding of social and environmental programs and a raise in the minimum wage. Big businesses have a lot to do with taking the wealth away from the people, and with swaying politicians to do what they want by funding their campaigns, etc.

Tatsuki
Aug 27, 2007, 06:05
Some elders have anger in their hearts still. When the subject is brought up, is when they show it.

=w=eezer
Aug 27, 2007, 19:05
What's typical about it? I was using a rhetorical question as a parallel to the original post. The answer is in the question, if you care to look.

I guess someone doesn't know what "typical" means...:smash:
I've had the discussions on the topic of the OP many times before, and your comment comes up quite frequently oddly...
Most people say it out of spite or trying to be a smartass without progressing the discussion like someone...:okashii: I hope I enlightened you.

nice gaijin
Aug 28, 2007, 02:16
Should I have asked about the My Lai massacre instead? Dresden? My statement had nothing to do with being American. I would have thought that my intentions were clear, but I suppose I'll have to spell everything out next time.

Chidoriashi
Aug 28, 2007, 08:54
mike cash> if are saying you think America isnt pretty much ruled by an elite class..... now thats alarming! I mean I totally think all americans are cool with the top 20% of the population owning more than 50% of the wealth and the bottom 80% dividing up the rest. and our rate of poverty in a developed nation... well it is just stellar!... yeah.. all those people.. I'm sure they, above everyone else, wanna keep things the way they are..

caster51
Aug 31, 2007, 12:48
Do Japanise people resent Americans for atomic bombing?

Even if Japan doesn't do so, someone will do someday.

Ewok85
Aug 31, 2007, 22:57
Most older Japanese resent the government for lying to them and dragging the country into a war it didn't need, that the Americans who reacted in an understandable way to the actions that Japan undertook.

You have to remember that the people were told that they were helping free Asia, that they were being welcomed with open arms, and that Pearl Harbour was in total self defence.

GodEmperorLeto
Sep 3, 2007, 14:09
Most older Japanese resent the government for lying to them and dragging the country into a war it didn't need, that the Americans who reacted in an understandable way to the actions that Japan undertook.
Really? I mean, some of the answers have been ambiguous, but I honestly feel like having that done to your country must leave you feeling pretty violated as a people and as a nation.

You have to remember that the people were told that they were helping free Asia, that they were being welcomed with open arms, and that Pearl Harbour was in total self defence.
Aren't they still taught that, to a degree? Especially the self-defense thing about Pearl Harbor?

Even if Japan doesn't do so, someone will do someday.
Do what? Resent the U.S.? I mean, if your people don't resent us for it now, why would they start resenting us later?

Americans as a whole wouldn't want any war against any other nation.
Clearly you are unaware of much of our history. We were incredibly bellicose and darn near belligerent towards the European empires during much of our early history. Jefferson, for example, narrowly averted war with France through the Louisianna Purchase (our right of deposit was cancelled at New Orleans when Spain handed Louisianna back to Napoleon, and it threatened to cripple our economy in the Mississippi valley territories), a war that the citizens were screaming for. It's only modern warfare and our cushioned, pampered lifestyles that have tempered us and made us into the mewling infants we are today.

Sarapva and Chidoriashi should quit listening to uninformed youth rallies at college campuses spout empty rhetoric with little factual information and start researching the topics they are making broad, axiomatic claims about. You guys have a handful of information and you blow it totally out of proportion. We aren't hoodwinked by politicians, we are too apathetic or busy watching American Idol to even bother to vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican.

God, this is a thread supposed to be about Japan's resentment that the U.S. bombed them during a war. How come people always have to turn these frickin' threads into anti-establishment talk shows?

Elizabeth van Kampen
Sep 3, 2007, 17:08
I don't hate peoples, but I do dislike certain countrie's governments, I don't agree with their ideas I should say.

I do hate wars, all wars!!

Sarapva
Sep 4, 2007, 06:48
Sarapva and Chidoriashi should quit listening to uninformed youth rallies at college campuses spout empty rhetoric with little factual information ....... we are too apathetic or busy watching American Idol to even bother to vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican.

First of all, I've never watched American Idol, and second of all I'm way past college age! The statements I made were what I believe, and I do believe that most people (American or any other nationality) don't want war. We want to live our own lives, not go causing havoc and killing people. It's our government that's dragged us all down and given us the reputation of being war-mongers.

EmperorHirohito
Sep 4, 2007, 07:14
There is another question that makes you wonder about the possible answer. And that is 'Did the original delevopers of the Atomic bomb ever look back at what they had created, and wished they never had.'

I do wonder what Robert Oppenheimer would have said if asked my above question.

GodEmperorLeto
Sep 4, 2007, 12:59
First of all, I've never watched American Idol, and second of all I'm way past college age!
Funny, you sound exactly like the Chatty Cathy clones that I see at university campuses all over the place. You pull the string on their backs and they recite the same, tired, empty rhetoric and leftist propaganda over and over again. It is almost as if it was preprogrammed into their heads by the likes of Al Franken and Michael Moore.

As for the whole American Idol comment, I was trying to infer that most Americans don't want to fight any wars because we like to sit on our rich fat rear ends in front of TV and are so spoiled rotten by our prosperity that concepts such as sacrifice mean little to them except deprivation from the privileges they believe they are owed. What it is I speak of is an attitude of entitlement. We shouldn't go to war because we are owed everything by our government, and we should never, ever be called upon to defend our rights or the rights of other human beings.

I am not trying to imply that the current war in Iraq is justified, but in all honesty, your broad, sweeping oversimplifications of the political situation betrays a sycophantic adherence to blatantly leftist dogma that is as corrupt and suspect as anything the right wingers would produce. It is absolutely naive of you to simply claim that the current American government is wholly comprised of warmongers, and it also betrays your inability to recognize the vast political divisions extant within the very halls of governance themselves.

It's our government that's dragged us all down and given us the reputation of being war-mongers.
Just like Lincoln dragged us into slaughtering our southern bretheren? Or Roosevelt dragged us into butchering Germans and bombing Japan, right?

These axiomatic blanket statements are so naive and pedantically adherent to partisan sophistry that it amazes me that you can even cogitate in a lucid manner for yourself. And your inability to comprehend how my indictment lies not with the government but with the American populace not only marks you as a minion of radical rhetoric, but indicates a dual victim- and entitlement-mentality that is perfectly groundless. The government did not drag us down, we allowed it to plummet through our own ignorance and individual egocentrism; the recent Supreme Court rulings on eminent domain are a greater threat to Constitutional liberty than anything Bush has done since he was sworn in, yet you and your spoon-fed compatriots are blind to anything that doesn't make CNN headlines.

Now... back to reality.

And that is 'Did the original delevopers of the Atomic bomb ever look back at what they had created, and wished they never had.'
Most definitely. Although he wasn't on the Manhattan Project, Einstein's work did provide a foundation that the likes of Oppenheimer built upon. And if Einstein lamented his minor role in the development of nuclear weapons, I imagine that Oppenheimer suffered many sleepless nights.

Sarapva
Sep 5, 2007, 09:02
Funny, you sound exactly like the Chatty Cathy clones that I see at university campuses all over the place ... What it is I speak of is an attitude of entitlement ... you and your spoon-fed compatriots are blind to anything that doesn't make CNN headlines.

Gosh, what a criticism. I've never been accused of being one of the "throng", not being able to cogitate lucidly, being a wind-up doll, etc. You sound very angry. Try to believe me when I say I can understand your viewpoint - but that doesn't mean I won't voice mine. I certainly won't criticize you in return - that's what I think makes up these "wars". I'll only say that you have some good points and I can see where they come from, but that you're the one making broad statements about the American populace and ridiculous accusations about someone you've never met. I think you'd do well to first of all forgive yourself for being an American, and then to try to find some peace in your life. God be with you. :bow:

Mars Man
Sep 5, 2007, 10:11
There are times. . . I will say, that it just really, really appears that posters after me have either not read my heavily insinuated, or relatively informative posts, and just go on as so on. . . or have willfully chosen to ignore them. This has, in my humble opinion, occured a bit once too often--not that it is detrimental to my esteem, and thus I speak out, but simply due to a certain non-productive atmosphere that such creates--I'm not referring to this very thread.

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC. . . (and staying more closely within that range now...hint,hint) I have never sensed any great outstanding presence of mind among the Japanese I have encountered that would lead me to conclude that the Japanese today resent the Americans today (and it always bothers me that 'Japanese' can not be a plural) for what happened in the process of a war once fought.

I also agree that those who worked on the atomic processes and the usage of such in weaponry, may well have regretted it to a larger degree than not, but might have, in secret, admitted to its simply having been due process of the unfolding of the universe--something or another would have come up...and it just happened to have been that, at that time, with those minds behind it.

zeroyon
Sep 12, 2007, 03:56
There is another question that makes you wonder about the possible answer. And that is 'Did the original delevopers of the Atomic bomb ever look back at what they had created, and wished they never had.'
I do wonder what Robert Oppenheimer would have said if asked my above question.

Do you know of Robert Oppenheimer's famous quote, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds", taken from hindu scripture? I'm quite sure he resented building the bomb to a degree. He probably saw it this way though... someone had to do it, the technology was there, and if he didn't build it right then and there, someone else probably would have. God forbid if it was the enemy that did first.
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie8.shtml

I also want to point out that I have 2 Japanese friends who live in Hiroshima, and they don't hate America for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima. I didn't notice any hate for Americans while I was in Hiroshima at all. I seem to notice a lot of hate for America coming from Europeans for dropping the a-bomb on Japan though.