Whales off the Red List

[centrajapan]

The IUCN World Conservation Union has removed several species of whales from its Red List of threatened species. The World Conservation Union’s action has placed a number of whales species into the Least Concern category for “widespread and abundant” species. Amongst the species transferred to this category is the main target for current whale hunts - the minke whale. The minke whale is hunted by Greenland, Iceland, Japan and Norway. The Red List contains three threatened categories: Critically Endangered, Endangered and Vulnerable.

source. High North and IUCN

[Sarapva]

Thank you for that information, centrajapan - I hadn't heard about that. The worldwide whaling ban has worked!

[centrajapan]

The truth of the matter is that there is no such thing as a whale but many whale spiecies. The Minke whale was never an endangered spiecies now even Greenpeace aknowledge this fact thus having even less reasons to why the minke whale shouldn't be hunted.

[Rose Selavey]

Well this should mean Japan could take the Minke whale of the list for those whales which need scientific research, and head back to the IWC to try for commercial whaling (they have failed to get the vote to resume commercial whaling, and will continue to fail to get commercial whaling).

[centrajapan]

Australia and other nations hasve no reason to vote against Japan on an environmental scientific reasoning then but they do thus proving my point that they are narrow minded cultural imperialist.

[bakaKanadajin]

centrajapan:

go out and kill a ******* whale already. Then you'll be able to get rid of that hardon you have for whaling and everyone can stop hearing about how stupid, useless and fun to kill the Minke is.

[centrajapan]

You should go and take debating lessons.

[bakaKanadajin]

We've already debated this in another thread, in fact several threads exist on whaling on this board. Most of them involve you, going on about how great whaling is.

[centrajapan]

I am not saying how great whaling is but how stupid anti whalers and most western countries are for opposing Japanese whaling.

[pugtm]

We've already debated this in another thread, in fact several threads exist on whaling on this board. Most of them involve you, going on about how great whaling is.
i dont think he is so much anti whaling as anti west
if america whaled he would probably hate on them for killing the environment.

[centrajapan]

i dont think he is so much anti whaling as anti west
if america whaled he would probably hate on them for killing the environment.

If america whaled then US would support whaling as long as they were Americans and not Japanese. US is a whaling nation however since the white imperialists colonised the Native Americans they say, oh you poor people you who are in touch with nature you can whale but not Japanese. Culture imperialism.

[pugtm]

If america whaled then US would support whaling as long as they were Americans and not Japanese. US is a whaling nation however since the white imperialists colonised the Native Americans they say, oh you poor people you who are in touch with nature you can whale but not Japanese. Culture imperialism.:okashii:
see what i mean bakakanadajin?

[centrajapan]

does this mean that you are against japanese whaling?

[pugtm]

no i am against you spouting racist junk about countries you dont know a thing about.

[centrajapan]

Its not racist. Its the truth. Harsh words but not racist. US is racist for not allowing Japan to hunt whales.

[pugtm]

the us is not specifically against japan. its the entire un. And a few american nut cases from peta and greenpeace. there is no "american conspiracy" to subjugate japan.

[centrajapan]

the us is not specifically against japan. its the entire un

No it isnt. the UN has nothing to do with it. Its the government. Its the US government who is against the Japanese government hunting whales.

[caster51]

i think it is waste of time because most Japanese dont watch this forum.

why dont you guys try to write it in Japanese.

it is a kind of masturbation.

[Rose Selavey]

I like that caster51, masturbation ha! ha!

And as to us so called racists Australians who have no idea, I thought centrajapan might like a recap of his words with the subject changed from Australia to Norway:

Norwegians are so full of cr@p and they are not aware of how stupid they look. A bunch of religious freaks.

Norwegians are cute funny people out in the outback on a walk about.

All the close minded racist bigots from Norway and the disrespectful attutude they have against Japan does not change a damn thing.

[Kyoto Returnee]

You should go and take debating lessons.

Sorry, I'm confused again!

Centrajapan, please respect other people's opinions and stop targeting specific cultures.

[centrajapan]

Norwegians are adhering to the principle of utilization of natural renewable resources and they are not trying to impose their narrow minded stance on other people.

Centrajapan, please respect other people's opinions and stop targeting specific cultures

Your opinions is not very good and I choose not to respect narrow minded bigotry from the likes of Australia.

Now Australia please take a hike when it comes to whaling and stop killing millions of kangaroos and treat the native people of Australia much better than you do now.

Australia is a anti whaling cult country. Australia has managed to wipe out a number of kangaroo spiecies in the short time Anglo Saxon prisoners colonised Australia. And now they are hell bent on making other people stop eating whale meat. Good riddance.

Merry Christmas.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Norwegians are adhering to the principle of utilization of natural renewable resources and they are not trying to impose their narrow minded stance on other people.



Your opinions is not very good and I choose not to respect narrow minded bigotry from the likes of Australia.

Now Australia please take a hike when it comes to whaling and stop killing millions of kangaroos and treat the native people of Australia much better than you do now.

Australia is a anti whaling cult country. Australia has managed to wipe out a number of kangaroo spiecies in the short time Anglo Saxon prisoners colonised Australia. And now they are hell bent on making other people stop eating whale meat. Good riddance.

Merry Christmas.

Once again Centrajapan, you have chosen to ignore a few users comments and continued your attacks.

Trying to justify Japan slaughtering whales by claiming what Australia did or didn't do seems totally irrelevant to the thread.

Please scroll down and read properly what other users have posted.

Rose tried to explain it to you but you seem to be ingoring it..

The title of the thread is:

Whaling in Japan

Not:

Centrajapan's opinions on Australia

[centrajapan]

OK. Thanks for the info. I will stop bashing Australia this time but many of you are not aware of the fact that you are bashing Japan by opposing whaling due to cultural preference.

There is nothing wrong about whaling in Japan. The majority of Japanese support it and the reasons for a sustanable hunt of a natural renweable resources is much better than Australia's fundementalistic stance which diregard sceince and other people's culture. Whales are not special to everyone so stop shoving your beliefs down on Japan.

The majority of Japan supports whaling according to a yahoo poll conducted on the issue.

http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/070110Release.pdf

How many whales are there world wide?

http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/estimates.pdf

This is according to IWC estimates. Now the growth rate of a whale spicies is more than what Japan hunts therefore when Japan hunt say a minke whale the population does not reduce what so ever.

Where to start? Please go to IWC home page and read about whaling management schems such as RMP and RMS.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Norwegians are cute funny people out in the outback on a walk about.


That's funny. I'll remember that when I see one walking around Cairns with red lumps all over it's legs.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9624/norwegianstockingsfinisoc5.jpg


There is nothing wrong about whaling in Japan. The majority of Japanese support it and the reasons for a sustanable hunt of a natural renweable resources is much better than Australia's fundementalistic stance which diregard sceince and other people's culture. Whales are not special to everyone so stop shoving your beliefs down on Japan.




The Whaling Debate
Bloody Business
Norwegian fishermen call it an honest day's work.
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As the whale is slowly winched on board by its tail, The creature's own tremendous weight squeezes out the last spasms of life. blood spurts from its blowhole; a semicircle of bright red radiates away from the boat's hull, contrasting with the black surface of the Barents Sea. The winch motor whines as the four-ton mammal slides into place, ready for butchering.
It's 4:30 a.m. and we're floating just off the northern coast of Norway, not far from the port of Båtsfjord. This is our first kill after 12 days of hunting and waiting. At this time of year—early May—the sun barely dips below the horizon at night, and right now it's piercing the freezing air with warm beams of sunshine.

The five Norwegian crewmen, dwarfed by the enormous minke whale, start knifing its five-inch-thick blubber into three-foot squares. During whaling's 19th-century heyday, blubber was the much-prized source of whale oil, used as fuel for lamps and candles and later as an industrial lubricant. In modern Norway, consumers covet whale meat as a dinnertime delicacy, but, unlike their counterparts in places like Japan and Greenland, they won't eat blubber, so it gets thrown overboard. There's a terrible ripping sound as the men peel it back; pieces hit the water with loud slaps. Soon, gulls swarm our 56-foot fishing boat, Sofie, to fight over the floating fat.

The crew methodically hacks 150-pound chunks of steaks off the whale's back, stomach, and tail. Gallons of blood slicken the deck, and the men struggle to keep their footing. It takes two of them—wielding sharp, three-pronged hooks—to move the chunks, and it's a miracle no one gets impaled. Captain Leif Einar Karlsen, balding and comfortably overweight at 43, nimbly hops around as he writes down the whale's size, weight, and sex for the edification of Norwegian scientists. While I watch, one of the crewmen—a wiry 48-year-old named Kjell Edvardsen—sees my blank stare and puts a bloody knife in his mouth. He gives off a pirate's snarl and, with a chuckle, digs back in.

It takes the men less than an hour to transform the 8,000-pound minke into a bony carcass and ice down the beet-red piles of flesh, worth about $40,000 in grocery stores. Job completed, they untie the 4,000-pound carcass and let it slide over the edge. It sinks like an anchor.
"Take care," Karlsen says. "Thanks for the meat." Then he closes the railing door and turns his back on the ocean.

[centrajapan]

Haha. That was a very good story.

Why is sustainable harvesting unacceptable?

Kiling a whale is no worse than killing a pig or cow.

Norwegians don't go around telling others what to eat and what not to eat. Perhaps Australia should try that one day. It will make them look less racist and ignorant. Japan is not telling others what to eat either. Please Australia. You don't have much of a point.

[Sarapva]

This is what we need to see more of, however painful - the reality of whale hunting. Thanks for that, Kyoto Returnee. I think what we have here is some very immature and rebellious whale hunters, stubbornly refusing to consider others' thoughts and opinions:

While I watch, one of the crewmen—a wiry 48-year-old named Kjell Edvardsen—sees my blank stare and puts a bloody knife in his mouth. He gives off a pirate's snarl and, with a chuckle, digs back in.

Grow up, Norway! GROW UP, JAPAN!!!!!!!

[centrajapan]

Grow up, Norway! GROW UP, JAPAN!!!!!!!

Please tell that to the Indians who hunt whales too. Grow up Native Americans. Become more white!! Your culture sucks so please stop eating whales. And start eating hamburgers and become more like us white folks.

Cultural imperialism is a concept of the past. Get with the program. It you who needs to grow up. Harvesting a sustainable renweable resources is the most ecological sound way of producing food for human consumptions and should be welcomed by environmental organizations.

[Derfel]

Although I don't see why shouldn't Australia stick to its opinion, mine is that no matter how you slay a whale, it will die, no "death-proof" method exists, so stop complaining that they die while being slain, of course they die. Would you rather eat a living whale? Please tell us about a method that would let people eat whale meat without actually taking it from whales.

[centrajapan]

Although I don't see why shouldn't Australia stick to its opinion

The Australian government has agreed to do what is best for the whaling industry. They have signed a declaration a document therefore they are obliged to follow the document that they have voluntarily signed on.

[Rose Selavey]

OK. Thanks for the info. I will stop bashing Australia this time but many of you are not aware of the fact that you are bashing Japan by opposing whaling due to cultural preference.

This is a sub forum about whaling in Japan, no cultural bashing going on just questioning what is happening in the world. If you think this is cultural bashing then don't participate.

[centrajapan]

You are bashing Japan by not allowing Japan to eat whales.

[kairu]

Please tell that to the Indians who hunt whales too. Grow up Native Americans. Become more white!! Your culture sucks so please stop eating whales. And start eating hamburgers and become more like us white folks.

I agree with you in that the idea that whale-killing is wrong and cow-killing is okay is a bit hypocritical. So how about, instead of becoming more "white," as you said, and eating hamburgers, we just adopt the ideas that some Buddhists have and stop eating meat and fish altogether? =)

They are religious freaks. Fanatics. Fundamentalists. Their anti whaling policy is racially motivated. They are discriminating against animals and people.

Whaling is discriminating against the rights of animals. What whale wants to meet that fate?

And by calling people names, bashing, and being, basically, mean, you aren't going to convince anybody. But nobody is going to convince you, either, so this post is probably pointless.

Have a great day =)

[Sarapva]

I agree with you in that the idea that whale-killing is wrong and cow-killing is okay is a bit hypocritical. So how about, instead of becoming more "white," as you said, and eating hamburgers, we just adopt the ideas that some Buddhists have and stop eating meat and fish altogether? =)

Whaling is discriminating against the rights of animals. What whale wants to meet that fate?

And by calling people names, bashing, and being, basically, mean, you aren't going to convince anybody. But nobody is going to convince you, either, so this post is probably pointless.

Have a great day =)

No, it's not pointless - it's very logical! Thanks, kairu. Ideally, we would all stop eating all animals. I've been vegetarian for about 3 years.

[centrajapan]

Just curious do you look down on people who eat whales?

If you are a vegeterian. Do you think it is worse to kill 1000 whales than killing 1 million cows?

You agreed with me that eating whale meat is less devistating for the planet than eating cows. Environmental wise.

[Sarapva]

I don't look down on anyone, centrajapan, and I think killing whales is no worse than killing cows. Since the subject here is whales, we're talking about whales. I don't know if I agreed with you that killing whales was less devastating for the planet than killing cows, but I probably agreed that raising cows and other animals on factory farms does contribute to global warming. But there are other considerations when killing whales, though I'm not enough of a scientist to know exactly how the eco system works in the ocean.