Protesters held on Japanese whaling ship

[Kyoto Returnee]

Some more great news for the whales:-)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/15/2138867.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/15/2138867.htm)

[Kyoto Returnee]

Tied to a radar mask!!


Unbelievable what these whalers do to get away with murdering the poor whales.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/15/2139211.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/15/2139211.htm)
This will be interesting to follow.

[Chi65]

That looks like a coming court case, if they were in fact doing more but delivering, its not so good (and thats the problem, if the Japanese were lying, how to proove this? And if they can get away with this. . .).

[Chi65]

spokesman for the Fisheries Agency of Japan, Mr Hideki Moronuki, has told the ABC he is not in a position to comment on the ruling because Australia's claim to Antarctic waters is not recognised by the international community.

Is that so??

And since when are they (free for) japanese instead? (ahem)

Thanks for the article!

[Kyoto Returnee]

Is that so??

And since when are they (free for) japanese instead? (ahem)

Thanks for the article!

It's difficult to know Chi as Japan is very much famous for being a law to itself and not joining international treaties.

Interantional Child abduction laws (Hague) is just one law which seems to be a chilling thought, considering the issues it has with North Korea..

[Chi65]

I wonder, how much the

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/humane_society_international_hsi/

can do, since some there say, there is no way, while others say, there is.

I mean, if anyone can break into anyone else's sanctuaries, where are the international courts or acceptances for these sanctuaries and are there ??
(sorry, my international political knowledge is not so good, what for instance can the UN do in this or who else? etc.)

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Though there is not the embarkation permission that they invaded a ship.
It is a crime.
It is a pirate, and they are terrorists.

[Chi65]

Anyhow, apart from he above question, I found this, which may also be interesting here:

http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=97530

Southern Ocean Sanctuary 2004 Review

The proposal to establish a Southern Ocean Sanctuary was first put to the IWC by France in 1992. The IWC had already designated the entire Indian Ocean southward to 55ºS latitude as a sanctuary in 1979. In 1994, the IWC voted by 23 to 1 to adopt the majority of the Southern Ocean south of 40ºS as a sanctuary in which all commercial whaling is prohibited. Click on the link to the right to download a table showing the vote results country by country. Japan was the only country to vote against the Sanctuary and lodged an objection to the extent that it applies to minke whales. The Southern Ocean Sanctuary came into effect on 6th December 1994 for an indefinite period, but will be reviewed in 2004.

The major objective of the Southern Ocean Sanctuary is to protect some populations of Southern Hemisphere whales throughout their migratory ranges and life cycles - and to contribute to the restoration and protection of the unique and fragile Antarctic marine ecosystem. The Sanctuary gives protection to around three quarters of the world's whales, in an area where whale populations had been reduced to a tiny fraction of their original numbers by commercial whaling.

The Southern and Indian Ocean Sanctuaries are connected, therefore the SOS affords protection to the Indian Ocean's whales as they migrate south to feed in Antarctic waters.

The Southern Ocean Sanctuary will be reviewed by the IWC at its annual meeting in Sorrento, Italy, in July 2004. If the continued existence of the Sanctuary is put to a vote this will be the most significant vote for whale conservation taken in the IWC since the adoption of the Sanctuary 10 years previously.

In terms of protecting whales, the Sanctuary has great importance for its moral authority as well as its legal authority. The fact that in 1994, the only objection was from Japan, and that only in so far as the Sanctuary applies to minke whales, showed a level of universal international acceptance of the general principle of the Sanctuary. New scientific findings since 1994 only strengthen the case for the Sanctuary. However, Japan has been successfully rallying support for its position within the IWC. Several new countries have joined and others may be under pressure to change their position on the Sanctuary. In fact, Japan was not even prepared to wait for the 2004 review and proposed a Resolution in 2002 aimed at undermining the Sanctuary which failed (17 for, 24 against). The IWC member countries closest to the Sanctuary, Argentina, Australia, Chile, New Zealand and South Africa, are all strong supporters of the Sanctuary.

IFAW campaigned long and hard for the successful adoption of the Sanctuary in 1994. However, we recognised that the work did not end there. To make the Sanctuary more effective we need a greater understanding of the Antarctic ecosystem. One of the arguments put forward against the Sanctuary is that without whaling there would be no incentive to conduct research to monitor how whale populations are responding to other factors such as global climate change or fluctuations in their prey.

[Chi65]

But if it comes out, that the whalers "embarked" a for them forbidden zone, then they are the terrorists. . .

[Kyoto Returnee]

Though there is not the embarkation permission that they invaded a ship.
It is a crime.
It is a pirate, and they are terrorists.

Yes.. It will be interesting considering it was ruled that Japan is breaking Australian law, and thus Australia can technically arrest the Japanese crewman if they are caught in Australian waters hunting whales, although it would create a diplomatic nightmare, but then again, Japan did capture these peacemakers simply trying to tie a banner up, one of which happens to be an Australian national..

This will be "interesting" to know if the crew of the Japanese ship broke the law..

[caster51]

Though there is not the embarkation permission that they invaded a ship.
It is a crime.
It is a pirate, and they are terrorists.

there is a guy who is a supporter of terrosist here.
what a pity:blush:

it looks like the chinese violence demo

http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/enjoybbs/viewphoto/teconomy/3348000/20080115120040867047813100.jpg

hung the pirate

[Mars Man]

While I am very tempted to do something, I will refrain. I'm not, at the moment convinced that we need another thread related to the whaling issue, but will let it stand.

I ask, however, that we all take it easy. I ask that we not be sarcastic at the moment, and not make any silly jab-like remarks and such.

After a few days, we might get more information on just exactly grounds any act had been committed. In all consideration, however, tying someone out in the elements for any length of time, is extremely thoughtless. No one can deny that.

[caster51]

That's what our vessel is down there to do, and that's what they have requested that the whaling vessel do, which is cease and desist their illegal whaling activities.
They were successful in delivering the message, but then they were not allowed to leave and return back to our vessel
then
The institute says it is illegal to board ships on the high seas, and claims the two men attempted to damage the ship and threw bottles of acid onto the decks.:blush:
wow,nice message

[Sarapva]

[CENTER]Some more great news for the whales:-)

Thanks Kyoto - that is good news! PM Stephen Smith is doing what he said he would in protecting the sanctuary.

Here is a link to sign a petition to make 40% of the oceans marine reserves:

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/oceans

[Sarapva]

Here's an update to that story:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/16/2139306.htm

The Japanese whalers have agreed to let the protesters go, but haven't yet. Who is being violent here? No environmental group has taken Japanese fishermen hostage. It seems that one kind of violence leads to another - if a person is prone to killing whales, they're also prone to other kinds of violence, including against people.

[Chi65]

Here's an update to that story:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/16/2139306.htm
The Japanese whalers have agreed to let the protesters go, but haven't yet. Who is being violent here? No environmental group has taken Japanese fishermen hostage. It seems that one kind of violence leads to another - if a person is prone to killing whales, they're also prone to other kinds of violence, including against people.

Thanks a lot for the link, Sarapva, and I very much underline your last sentence, although not in all fullness. Because as said, if done for a real need and with according respect, I would not say so.
But the tendency is there, but on all "hunters" then, to be fair, surely on those, who additionally work with offences and lies.

Anyhow, lets wait and see.

[Sensationalist]

The Japanese whaler ship was attacked by these activist and illegally boarded their vessel. Who are the real terrorist here ?

[Chi65]

Those who violated the Australian zone.

[Chi65]

You have to sign into this Greenpeace site first, it says

[caster51]

What Japanese whaling fleet is doing is nothing against the decision of IWC(International Whaling Committee). And Antarctic Ocean is not Australian territory(some Australian stupidly believe they own the Antarctic).

[Chi65]

Well, that may have to be sorted out.

But the Japanese don't own it either, nor does the whaling committee, nor own all whales, if I am not mistaken. . .

[caster51]

The Australian : Fake blood smeared on Japanese Consulate)
A consulate spokesman, who declined to be named, said about six protesters spread red ink on carpet inside the consulate office on the 45th floor of the Melbourne Central building in Elizabeth Street this afternoon

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22977156-5006785,00.html

[Chi65]

Thats an article from the 27th of December, by the way.

[kame]

Even Green Peace doesn't want have anything to do with those idiots. When pro-whaling advocates start endorsing such illegitimate tactics, they are no different from supporters of abortion clinic bombers and fanatics setting fire on animal testing labs.

[TripLover]

www icrwhale.org/gpandsea-img-41.htm
In Australia, this photo image could be said "Tied to a radar mask!! ".
IMHO, Australians would forget the phrase -"Tea party" after leaving Britain.

[TripLover]

The judge is effective, if the following statement is true .
"Antarctica is a part of Australian territory"

Australian court neglected "Antarctic Treaty" - World consensus.
Additionally, here an australian is saying "Japan is very much famous for being a law to itself and not joining international treaties."

Sigh...boorish manners.
Watch yourself within a mirror, or go outside Australia to learn "common sense".

[Kyoto Returnee]

The Australian and Japanese governments have agreed it will not affect relations between the two countries and the JP government has told the JP crew to release the two protesters.

As it stands, the JP crew are refusing.

The two protesters tried to deliver a letter to the JP crew on the court ruling of the illegal whaling, I guess at the same time doing the whalers a favour before they broke the law.

I believe they should have asked the JP crew beforehand if they could board, although apparantly they tried and the JP crew did not respond.

I do however think that tieing the two protesters to the mask violets human right's, and was clearly extreme, after all, they were good people simply trying to protect the JP crew from illegal whaling and also protect the beautiful creatures.

Like I said, the whalers have been instructed to release the two protestors, although they are refusing.

It will once again be interesting to see if the whalers will be prosecuted under Japanese law upon their return for refusing government orders.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Sigh...boorish manners.
Watch yourself within a mirror, or go outside Australia to learn "common sense".

LOL.. We had a great day here with my son Kai and wife.

We spent the day on a small boat on the Daintree river seeing who could spot the first salwater crocodile..

My wife won!

Funny you mention a Mirror as we took one with us for the drive as little nine month old Kai loves them, and it is one of our tools to amuse him on long journeys:-)

[pipokun]

Territorial claims
Argentina
Australia
Chile
France
New Zealand
Norway
United Kingdom

Reserved the right to make claims
Russia
United States

Antarctica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica


It was my ignorace that I did not know the 7 or 9 nations' claims...

[Kyoto Returnee]

It was my ignorace that I did not know the 7 or 9 nations' claims...

All good..............

[Astroboy]

日本人はこのkyoto Returneeにポストに反応しないのが一番。こいつのペースに乗るな、無視すべきと思う。

[Kyoto Returnee]

日本人はこのkyoto Returneeにポストに反応しないのが一番。こいつのペースに乗るな、無視すべきと思う。

My wife just translated your post and we had a good laugh:okashii:

[Sarapva]

You have to sign into this Greenpeace site first, it says

Sorry, Chi - that link must be to my own page. Here's a link to a page where you can scroll to the bottom where it says "Sign the petition". They're actually calling for "marine reserves", not "sanctuaries", but I think they must be about the same.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/oceans/marine-reserves-2

This is another update on the same story about the protestors. The Sea Shepherd has lost sight of the Japanese whaling ship, where the two protestors are still being held hostage:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/16/2140065.htm

[Chi65]

Sorry, Chi - that link must be to my own page. Here's a link to a page where you can scroll to the bottom where it says "Sign the petition". They're actually calling for "marine reserves", not "sanctuaries", but I think they must be about the same.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/oceans/marine-reserves-2
This is another update on the same story about the protestors. The Sea Shepherd has lost sight of the Japanese whaling ship, where the two protestors are still being held hostage:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/16/2140065.htm

It does not lead you further in the first link either, oh well, then I might have to sign in at given time (busy now)

I will also read the other link soon, anyhow, thanks for posting it!

[Sarapva]

Another update - the Japanese whalers are threatening to take the protestors to Japan:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/17/2140406.htm

[Chi65]

Another update - the Japanese whalers are threatening to take the protestors to Japan:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/17/2140406.htm

And who wishes this?

Mr. Inwood, of course. . . . . . . .
who obviously has more say than any side's government, still not clear?

I hope, he does not mistake them for dolphins or whales though.

[TripLover]

Is this a place to mouth off, with deaf ears?
-I guess- -I believe - and so on.
Yes, Laughing is a good way for a guy who never learn anything.
Again, The word `illegal` spoken here is used just as "illegal in Australia, End of the world".
Here is a forum to discuss with facts, not belief.
Antarctica belongs to no country, so International Law request as follows,
#1 Australian law is out of range about the whalers. -Not Austrarian territory
#2 Case in a Japanese ship should be ruled under Japanese law.
Most Australians would respect the fundamental principles and rules of international law, I believe.
Additionally, whalers are not public employee of Japan, so Japanese government can't force them to release pirates.
(Some Australians complain the recognition "pirates", but I have never heard "mail delivery" means delivering chemical liquid and ropes to tie ship-screws. )
If Japan were a Red-country like Australia / China (filtering all the internet communication -censorship-), Japanese government could control all the ships as you dream.
However, Sadly to say, Japan is a country of liberty and governed by law.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Here is a forum to discuss with facts, not belief.


I actually found the opposite.

All the posts I am reading point towards honest belief of the posters..

I know I believe in what I post.

The protesters are basically being held hostage against their own will as the Japanese crew is making demands and if the demands are not met, they will continue to hold them tied up..

Another update - the Japanese whalers are threatening to take the protestors to Japan:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/17/2140406.htm

Oh my God!

Could only imagine what would happen then..

I belive they would however ultimately be released, hopefully score a nice break somewhere in Japan before returning home.

It would however create a diplomatic nigthmare between the countries of the nationals being held..

[Kyoto Returnee]

The latest Australian and International updates.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/17/2140406.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7193212.stm
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2914/44359784whalekill24162ddy3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5593/r2167528446032a03bcbe0.jpg
Still held: Benjamin Potts (l) and Giles Lane (r) (Institute of Cetacean Research)

[TripLover]

Again, "I believe in" ...
Talk with Deaf is so difficult.

By the way, "being held hostage against their own will "
With Maritime Law, If Captain of a ship doesn't permit someone on boarding and recognize "mean mischief" like this case, uninvited guests could be treated as pirates.
In the past, in 1997, Sea Shepherd leader, Watson was convicted in absentia by Norway on charges of sinking a Norwegian whaling ship.
Like Sea Shepherd's flag, they are "pirates of pirates". The whalers should watch pirates of caribbean DVD to learn how to tie the pirates by ropes. After that, the can make the Sea Shepherd's ipse dixit come true.

Diplomatic nightmare? Nice joke with a threat. Japan doesn't care whether Australians cast back to it's ancestors with the pirates or not. Japan just complies with International Law.

[Kyoto Returnee]

The whalers should watch pirates of caribbean DVD to learn how to tie the pirates by ropes.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/278/696bc7d0f4rn0.jpg

Diplomatic nightmare? Nice joke with a threat. Japan doesn't care whether Australians cast back to it's ancestors with the pirates or not.

Obviously.



Again, "I believe in" ...
Talk with Deaf is so difficult.

I have a good friend who is deaf and dumb and we talk fine.

[caster51]

My wife just translated your post and we had a good laugh
it is very funny...
try this one, too

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080116-00000005-jct-soci

:blush::blush:

[pipokun]

Australian PM steps into Japan whaling standoff
3 days ago
SYDNEY (AFP) — Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd stepped into a tense standoff between Japan and a militant anti-whaling group Thursday, calling for calm and the safe return of two activists held on a Japanese ship.
...
"I have concerns about the safety of all people involved with the operation," Rudd told reporters.
...
So do I.

Luckily I found another article of AFP about the food they eat!!!

調査捕鯨船妨害、活動家に「天ぷら」のもてなし
　また、3度の食事も出され、2人の要望にこたえて天ぷらが振る舞われたほか、毎日「3時のお� 竄ﾂ」も出されているという。
http://www.afpbb.com/article/environment-science-it/environment/2337649/2530048

TEMPURA feast!
(the activists) are served three meals/a day. At the request from them, Tempura was served. Also, 3 o'clock afternoon snacks are served as well.

I am a bit pleased to know that the tonge of activists is not so xenophobic!!!
It is good to be an activist for free tempura or 3 o'clock snak (3 ji no oyatsu)!

[Chi65]

Am I mistaken, or did the japanese government at first (not now)say, to let them go until Inwood came into the game??
(who is not even Japanese. . .)

And if they are on a japanese ship, which is the case, they are mainly under japanese law, as rightly said above, or not?

And since when are the whalers there not japanese workers, be it partly?? That sounds "unbelievable", sorry. . .whats more worth for a decision, the ship or the people's maybe split working dependance on that one?

Also I have my doubts, by seeing the videos, that the "invaders" really did more than delivering that note, in which case I find the word pirates completely blown up, if not ridiculous.

An oh sorry after delivering could have been enough in the end, maybe, however naive that sounds now. Making such a fuss out of it, is somewhat clearly calling for attention or worst, and fits this Mr. Inwood indeed. Looking back, the Japanese government was about to let them go and it would have been out of talk soon.

I hope, they make good friends there during their free tempura-sessions, hehe.
(I LOVE tempura, now my mouth waters. . .)

And do they have to stay through the whole whale hunt now, in case it happens??
So then it maybe explains, why keeping them, grants a kind of safety for the ship. . .

hmm. . .thats a possible real reason after all.

[Sarapva]

The protestors have now been handed over to an Australian ship:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7193212.stm

Thank goodness they're safe!

[Chi65]

Thanks for updatings, and this time from BBC, Sarapva!

I am glad, the japanese government showed a little more sense and power than Inwood. . .right, with the two men on board, they would not have been well advised to go on with their whaling mission.

Now its a bit like before. . .

While this still stands up:

But other nations and environment groups say the research goals could be achieved using non-lethal methods and call the programme a front for commercial whaling.

[Sarapva]

PM Stephen Smith....

Sorry - I realize my mistake now - I meant Kevin Rudd!
(Stephen Smith is foreign minister) :blush:

[Chi65]

Sorry - I realize my mistake now - I meant Kevin Rudd!
(Stephen Smith is foreign minister) :blush:

I related to this part, but any way has the same temporary effect and outdates Inwood's kind of . . .habits and games, at least a bit:

"The Australian government accepted Japan's request to assist and remove the men from our research vessel to allow us to continue our work."

(forgive me, I have a bad name memory, but will also try to remember others in this matter, open for learning)

[TripLover]

>Thank goodness they're safe!

It is misleading. They are under Japanese Law in the Japanese ship.
This time, you should appreciate Japanese government's tolerance,
to let the pirates go without penalty.

Remember, Thanks giving Day should be the day
to thank Native Americans for Food and Knowledge, not for Christian God.

At least, Japan is not a country to kill pirates without judgement,
better than USA in Iraq. What do you care? Suicide as a protest?

[Kyoto Returnee]

The protestors have now been handed over to an Australian ship:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7193212.stm

Thank goodness they're safe!

EXCELLENT!

Glad the Japanese government talked the whalers into releasing them:122:

Sorry - I realize my mistake now - I meant Kevin Rudd!
(Stephen Smith is foreign minister) :blush:

That's funny..

Kevin Rudd is the only one I know as we now have a totally new labour goverment.

I'm out of touch myself here..

[Kyoto Returnee]

>Thank goodness they're safe!

Suicide as a protest?

Apparantly so, although It wasn't suicide according to them.

They tried to throw one of the letter deliverers over the side into the icy cold water!

I know they were silly trying to deliver the letter in the way they did, but what the whalers tried to do is just not on, SURELY.

[TripLover]

//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7193212.stm
------------------------------------------------------
"It became very clear yesterday that Sea Shepherd had no intention of retrieving their two intruders, who boarded the Yushin Maru with backpacks carrying a change of clothes, toiletries and other sundry items.
"The Australian government accepted Japan's request to assist and remove the men from our research vessel to allow us to continue our work."
--------------------------------------------------
Finally, is there anyone who still believes
"Sea Shepherd's claim to victimhood" is true?

Sarapva,
>if a person is prone to killing whales, they're also prone to other kinds of violence, including against people.

Barking up the wrong tree....Does the funny preach feel good?

Kyoto returnee,
This will be "interesting" to know if Australians know international law and Maritime Law.
At least watching Timor's Maritime Boundaries problem, the answer would be No.
Now "Antarctica belongs to Australia"?
Why noy using such passion to save and indemnify the native Australians/Aborigine, especially "Stolen Children"? Ask Cathy Freeman.

Chi65, now you would understand the fact "flag of registry designates which nation's Law is superior"- In this case, Japanese law and International law is effective. Australian law is just a noisy outsider's text.

[Kyoto Returnee]

//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7193212.stm
------------------------------------------------------
"It became very clear yesterday that Sea Shepherd had no intention of retrieving their two intruders, who boarded the Yushin Maru with backpacks carrying a change of clothes, toiletries and other sundry items.
"The Australian government accepted Japan's request to assist and remove the men from our research vessel to allow us to continue our work."
--------------------------------------------------
Finally, is there anyone who still believes
"Sea Shepherd's claim to victimhood" is true?

Sarapva,
>if a person is prone to killing whales, they're also prone to other kinds of violence, including against people.

Barking up the wrong tree....Does the funny preach feel good?

Kyoto returnee,
This will be "interesting" to know if Australians know international law and Maritime Law.
At least watching Timor's Maritime Boundaries problem, the answer would be No.
Now "Antarctica belongs to Australia"?
Why noy using such passion to save and indemnify the native Australians/Aborigine, especially "Stolen Children"? Ask Cathy Freeman.

Chi65, now you would understand the fact "flag of registry designates which nation's Law is superior"- In this case, Japanese law and International law is effective. Australian law is just a noisy outsider's text.

I personally think many are taking this to seriously.

I thought it was quite funny.

In all honesty as you say, looks like the protesters knew what they were doing and the fact is, it seems to have worked as obviously they were "smarter" than the whalers.

Let's face it.. If the whalers would have said, "No worries, all good" or something to the tune and let the two return to their vessel, the whole thing would have been over quick smart.

The whalers fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

[pipokun]

Tea and tempura
Last Updated : Friday 18 Jan, 2008 -

Animal rights activists on a Japanese whaler in an Antarctic standoff are being treated well and enjoyed a meal of tempura at their request, a Japanese official said yesterday. The activists from the militant Sea Shepherd Conservation Society - Australian Benjamin Potts, 28, and Briton Giles Lane, 35 - climbed on board a Japanese ship on Tuesday to demand Japan end its hunt in Antarctic waters.
http://www.7days.ae/en/2008/01/18/tea-and-tempura.html

It is rare for me to read coverages of UAE meda, but it is a good title.
Wondering which dipping sauce of tempura they requested...

[TripLover]

Kyoto Returnee, you have never replied to my asking seriously.
You would never say sorry for mistake or misunderstanding.
OK, Is that aussie way to discuss?

Could you explain logically about only two followings?

#1 Do you really believe Antarctica is a part of Australia, as Aussie court and Newspapers repeat?
#2 Why 1st priority for Minke whale, not Aborigine inside Australia?

[Chi65]

Chi65, now you would understand the fact "flag of registry designates which nation's Law is superior"- In this case, Japanese law and International law is effective. Australian law is just a noisy outsider's text.

A bit simple minded to see only the shipside of the story. It did not come first, even if the action of the two was questionable.
I actually hoped, the japanese first wish to let them go would apply for the two then, not Inwoods, if you look back. Its obviously you who did not read my texts, as becomes clear now. It was mentioned more than once.
On the other hand, no law was considered in the end, if you look closely, just agreements between the parties involved, to keep it civil.
Otherwise a court would probably have had to sort the real (incl. international, also concerning the part of the area against the ship's own. . .) lawholders out, which did not happen.
If things were that easy. . .

Even if you did not mean me:


#2 Why 1st priority for Minke whale, not Aborigine inside Australia?

Thats another issue and would belong to an aussi forum, in my opinion.
And there I would also be very critical then, be sure!

But it has another story, nothing to do with Japan, and cannot be compared, nor would any court accept this as any reason in this context.

>if a person is prone to killing whales, they're also prone to other kinds of violence, including against people.

Barking up the wrong tree....Does the funny preach feel good?

I am with Sarapva in this, it makes very much sense in general and does not only fit the whalers themselves, obviously also many pro whalers, as we could see here.
Keep on barking, Sarapva;-)

[TripLover]

What are you talking about?
Law is law, and the sea shepherd guys are illegal, just with logic.
No one is talking about your hope, or your opinion.
You were talking that Japanese whalers illegal with Australian law and so on.
So I repeated here, Japanese legislation is the law effective on the japanese ship, accroding to INTERNATIONAL Maritime Law.
And a the end, They were released in a state of grace.
However, still law is the only rule to govern, at least in Japan.
>-international, also concerning the part of the area against the ship's own-
Do you conveniently want to change the present maritime law ?

>Thats another issue and would belong to an aussi forum, in my opinion

Really, You read the thread carefully as you want? Kyoto Returnee first introduced here non-related things as follows.

>Interantional Child abduction laws (Hague) is just one law which seems to be a chilling thought, considering the issues it has with North Korea..

Could you explain which part of his text is related to Whaling?

>obviously also many pro whalers

At least, Don't ignore the fact. "In the past, in 1997, Sea Shepherd leader, Watson was convicted in absentia by Norway on charges of sinking a Norwegian whaling ship." violence in the interests of justice?

[Sarapva]

I am with Sarapva in this, it makes very much sense in general and does not only fit the whalers themselves, obviously also many pro whalers, as we could see here.
Keep on barking, Sarapva;-)

Thanks - I intend to! I'm really just trying to make sense of things here. I agree with Kyoto Returnee that the protestors who boarded the Japanese ship did exactly what they intended to do - stay on the ship and halt the whaling. Of course the Sea Shepherd is known for being radical, but as far as I know they've never hurt a person or taken anyone hostage.

Posted by Kyoto Returnee:
Kevin Rudd is the only one I know as we now have a totally new labour goverment.

I'm out of touch myself here..

I only know Stephen Smith's name because it's mentioned so much in the news articles!

[Kyoto Returnee]

I only know Stephen Smith's name because it's mentioned so much in the news articles!

And I live here LOL..

[Kyoto Returnee]

Kyoto Returnee, you have never replied to my asking seriously.
You would never say sorry for mistake or misunderstanding.
OK, Is that aussie way to discuss?

Could you explain logically about only two followings?

#1 Do you really believe Antarctica is a part of Australia, as Aussie court and Newspapers repeat?
#2 Why 1st priority for Minke whale, not Aborigine inside Australia?

It depends on the Aussie and who discusses it.

One thing I appreciated in Japan was when someone made a mistake, they did actually apologize and admit to it.

In Australia, possibly also the US, we tend to want to hide and possibly protect our mistakes, although we are always silently conscious if we do make that mistake.

It's usually a longer process for us and at the end of the day, all usually comes good and fixes itself. I think it's a cultural thing that Japanese have trouble understanding.

I know it drives my wife crazy living here how people do not apologize as often as they do in Japan, but it's a very different culture with different ways of thinking and one realy has to try to understand and accept and ultimately appreciate at the end of the day.

Your first question, I honestly do not know as I have not researched it, but then again, if the Australian courts ruled that it is, I would have to study the case thoroughly and make my own personal opinion.

Australia is a strong democracy so the courts here are fair dinkum.

Your second question.

My wife Rieko, I and little Kai all went for a drive a few days ago to an aboriginal beach community in a suburb named Yarrabah.

You don't usually see non aboriginals their so it is as unique for them as it is for us, but we love it as the locals are so friendly and the becah looks so natural.

I suppose a little similar to un-developed beachside communites in Asia.

We had a walk along the local beach and their was a large sea turtle flipper on the sand.

These animals are protected, with the exception of Australian aboriginals who are aloowed to hunt them for food as they are other protected species. I'm not sure about whales though.

That however doensn't change my mind as I felt really bad seeing that flipper on the beach, and would disagree if they killed whales for food as the Japanese whalers do.

It's a very personal decison/opinion and does not point to race or culture.

I just don't agree with it.

My uncle has a large farm and breeds Herreford and Simital British cattle.

They have their house dogs, they get standard food..

The farm dogs are fed mainly rabbits which my uncle shoots.

When I was younger, I went along with my unlce to hunt for these rabbits.

I spotted one and opened fire at it hiding in the long grass.

We walked over to recover, and what I am about to tell you changed my life forever.

The poor little thing was hopping in agonizing pain minus it's back leg.

I had actually blown it's back leg off.

My uncle finished it off with a quick shot to the head.

I am an animal lover and care dearly for all animals.

I'm not sure how other's feel, but If I see an injured animal, I can imagine if that was me and think and feels it's pain.

Like I said, it's a very personal opinion and I'm sure other's feel the same in some way, shape or form.

Like I said, race, religion, culture, whatever, has nothing to do with it..

Black, white, pink, I do not care..

If you ever have a newborn child, you will understand as compare it to any other newborn and we are all pretty much the same.

I guess what changes us is personality and teachings by our peers.

Lay low TripLover, and remember, do not take people's ideas so personally as they are not targetting you personally.

Mate, life is to bloody short so go grab yourself a nice coldie (beer) and av a good weekend:122:

[Sarapva]

I am an animal lover and care dearly for all animals.

I'm not sure how other's feel, but If I see an injured animal, I can imagine if that was me and think and feels it's pain.

Like I said, it's a very personal opinion and I'm sure other's feel the same in some way, shape or form.

Like I said, race, religion, culture, whatever, has nothing to do with it..

Black, white, pink, I do not care.

This is exactly how I feel about it. Thanks K.R. for those nice stories. I think if I were to visit a native village in the U.S. where they hunted whales, I'd also be against their killing a whale. From a distance, I can intellectually say that I agree with their right to kill whales since that's how they survive, but I know that deep down I really don't agree with it. It has nothing to do with who they are - it's the killing that seems wrong to me.

[Chi65]

What are you talking about?
Law is law, and the sea shepherd guys are illegal, just with logic.
No one is talking about your hope, or your opinion.
You were talking that Japanese whalers illegal with Australian law and so on.
So I repeated here, Japanese legislation is the law effective on the japanese ship, accroding to INTERNATIONAL Maritime Law.
And a the end, They were released in a state of grace.
However, still law is the only rule to govern, at least in Japan.
>-international, also concerning the part of the area against the ship's own-
Do you conveniently want to change the present maritime law ?
>Thats another issue and would belong to an aussi forum, in my opinion
Really, You read the thread carefully as you want? Kyoto Returnee first introduced here non-related things as follows.
>Interantional Child abduction laws (Hague) is just one law which seems to be a chilling thought, considering the issues it has with North Korea..
Could you explain which part of his text is related to Whaling?
>obviously also many pro whalers
At least, Don't ignore the fact. "In the past, in 1997, Sea Shepherd leader, Watson was convicted in absentia by Norway on charges of sinking a Norwegian whaling ship." violence in the interests of justice?

You seem a bit confused and are someone, who obviously relates unrelated things in a wild and from you only created in a new and even unfinished order now(give yourself some airings, please, no one hates you!). . .and obviously have not understood a thing, of what I wrote, and where and why. Don't start with the beginning, please, when it has moved during the process, for example, and in clear relation to the development of the process.

We were not talking about Kyoto Retournee either, only about a few very well clearly related sentences from me, please, and I can repeat every word, but you can read them yourself.

By the way, you might like to read the text above about the section Whaling in Japan in general, opinions are very well allowed. I hope, I don't have to copy this one either.

And I repeat here, just as an example, that even if a ship has its own countrie's flags right on board, it does not have the same one on other places outside in relation to those, particularly not in territories, that are not their own.
We were not talking about maritime law, but japanese one on the ship, said by yourself(!), if you may have a look again. And if that would be all there is, the ship could as well go anywhere and do what they like, even shipping through other countrie's rivers and harbours etc., and if someone would try to stop them via delivering a note, he would be a terrorist according to this, not the japanese ship's law.

The other parts are not yet fully explained by either part (Australia, Japan, other countries, who voted for the sanctury in that territory, the whaling comittee etc. etc.) as also said, because they stopped it before it came onto the table via court, as I wrote already. Its not at all clear, in general.
And that has nothing to do with me nor me wanting to change nor whatsoever in that direction, that makes no sense, sorry. Don't make things up and mix them to your liking, please.

And if you cite things, that I cited from you, for example, you cannot ask me, only yourself.

But as said, no one is hating you :-)

[TripLover]

>You seem a bit confused
OK, I would like to illustrates points what you could understand as wiigles do.
There are 3 standing points about anti-whaling
#1 Scientific Point of View
#2 Legal Point of View
#3 Ethical Point of View

#1 With Scientific Point of View, Most scientists agree that
for 600 thousands Minke Whales now alive, hunting 1 thousand of them per year has an insignificant effect. The whaling is sustainable.

#2 With Legal Point of View, The starting point is, what kind of law is effective in the case. International Law and the ship's owners law-this case Japanese Law-according to Maritime Law, These are effective. With these laws, The whalers are iinocent. Now Australians are complaining with Australian Law. So I have asked the first question. "Do you really believe Antarctica is a part of Australia?" Some newspapers in Australia describes "the whalers are in Australian water". It sounds strange for the rest of the world, but I can understand such propaganda gain public support. So I don't care Australians chunner inside Australia.

#3 With Ethical Point of View,.
My second question is just related to the point. Chi65 seems misunderstanding the intent of the question, "Why Minke whale 1st, Native Australians left?" There are many moral compasses around the world. Hindu-majority country doesn't accuse beef eating sailors, and Muslims don't condemn pork eaters. 150 years ago, when US fleet comes to Japan for establishing a Whaling base, Japanese were afraid of Beef eaters. Now, Japanese understands, there are many cultures around the world, and there are some consensus about human rights. But Japanese doesn't accepted the idea killing cattles and pigs and kangaroos are OK, but whales are not OK. No clear evidence that Minke whale is much more intelligent than pig(Pig is known smart animal to be a pet)
Generally, ethical conflict, It is important that Who accuses Whom. In this case, Australian culture accuses Japanese culture about ethics as "barbarian" , "cruel" and so on.
So not only Japan, but also Australian ethics of both countries are important.
Do you understand?
So My second question is, to know Australian culture. Why Australians are enthusiastic about Minke whales, and not about Aborigine? Japanese travelers observeded the extinction process of native Australians inside Australia. Their languages and cultures are still going to extiction. For Japanese, "Human 1st, Animals second, including cattles, kangaroos, and whales" is an ethcal rule, However, in Australia, something would be different. So Many japanese want to know why Australians go so crazy, even tries to violate international law -human wise to prevent war-. We hear many reports from Japanese living in Australia recently about racism coming back even in elementary schools.
In other sayings, Japanese are intent upon whether Australians can accept pluralism around the world or not.

[TripLover]

Talking about Cruel and barbarian, I would have a short talk about old times.

There was a smrat youg leader, eleced by poll -democratic process.
He did economic reconstruction of the destructive nation.
He was enthusiastic to make the human beings better,
Of course he was a vegetarian, no-alcohol-drinker.
His allegiant were also vegetarians.
The only problem was, they are a bit intolerant of
adoption of foreign culture, but citizens didn't care.

The leader's name is, as you know, Adolf Hitler.
His allegiant were - Heinrich Luitpold Himmler, Rudolf Walter Richard Heß, and so on.

Japanese consensus would be "If There is no fear of extinction, Take care of racism and cruelty 1st, before taking care of other nation's food culture. Cruelty is not related to eating habits" Don't you think so?

[Chi65]

We had it all before, incl. Hitler. . .check the other threads, please.
I don't feel like endles repetitions, also what others already wrote many times, and those were not my post and points either, what you try to build up there.
Zig zagging does not interest me either.
Go, ask other's time and attention (or better, read the other threads, before you start once more, there you have plenty of answers from many already), if you can't get it together, OK?

The whaler's law must not be those of a ruler of the world though, if many disagree, by the way. A formal case was bypassed, probably because it is so unclear. . .and would thus have stopped even more and for longer(!!).
We already know, who really support the pros, everybody can read it, thus so can you. . .

I have strong doubts, that those ships can really do what they want and everywhere, with what they do not own, but belong to more than just to the japanese ship or law, sorry to say. Thats not at all sorted out.

And put on scales, two people entering a ship and on the other side killings of many hundred whales against many people's will under a fake (and it is a fake!)explanation. . .sorry, the scales go very much down for the whalers, for sure for in many people's eyes of the rest of the world, that can think a bit (not only the aussis), and watch the videos and incoming informations.
It stinks there, more and more (I am not saying, you, but its pretty obvious, that the same game of putting sand in people's eyes continues, but the picture itself does not change, sorry to say. In fact, it becomes more and more clear because of such games).

I do not support clear mass-killings under such circumstances (on dolphins neither). And my points and reasons were made many times and already at the beginning of my writings in this section (see already about the posts from Taiji, for example). I still see no reason to change them, in contrary.

Also, Hitler was a mass-killer(and his vegetarianism is more than questionable), built up imaginary enemies via racism (those same terms(!) can easily be found around Glenn Inwood, as we already realised. etc.), to lead to a war, while Greenpeace and all those who are against war and killings and just wish to stop exacty this and thus are not working this way. Maybe you consider this a bit?
We say in such a case, der Vergleich hinkt gewaltig, if something is out of proportion. . .

I happen to know and have seen via documentations (that arrived us via Berlinale filmfestival a bit ago) of a few "scientific methods" on humans from the Japanese in Mandshuku, very similar to Hitler methods on jews and children particular, if not worse. The same excuses were made here, even later on in front of the court, once it came to this, and were not accepted, in contrary: guilty for murder! (go, check the Nürnberg processes)
Can't help, it has the same deadly smell and the same terminology, almost exactly so. . .stay aware of this, people!

That eating habit reason is also already pretty worn out, since such habits change all the time, its flux, and everywhere, according to many circumstances. We had it all too.
And our pigs are our problem(thus we have to sort it out, not you), whereas whales do not belong to Japan, but to all, thus its a global issue, not just a Japanese, nor just an Aussi. . .
Thats clearly nonsense to compare.

I have very little interest in fighting against worn out clothes, and in fighting in general.

Go to the searches, please, and try to find out, before you go into endless repetitions, that we know by heart by now.
Good bye.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Triplover:

Did you read all the below posts?

I give up!

[caster51]

Sea shepherd　&　A whaler
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8AQF5bk7RyE

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[Kyoto Returnee]

Sea shepherd　&　A whaler
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8AQF5bk7RyE

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It took the Japanese government to make the whalers see the funny side which ultimately saw the kidnapped protesters released.

Scary people these whalers..

[Chi65]

Definitely!. . . . . . . . . . .

[caster51]

Sea Shepherd has long history of extreme actions


By MERAIAH FOLEY
SYDNEY (AP) Paul Watson is prepared to do almost anything to save the whales.


Paul Watson


The 57-year-old Toronto native is founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, a U.S.-based antiwhaling group at the center of an ongoing standoff with Japanese whalers in the icy waters off Antarctica.

Two Sea Shepherd activists were returned Friday to the group's ship, the Steve Irwin, after spending more than two days aboard a Japanese harpoon boat in Antarctic waters that they had leaped aboard in a protest action.

Sea Shepherd makes a mission of disrupting the annual Japanese hunt, using tactics opposed even by antiwhaling nations and other activists.

Watson, a former Sierra Club activist and a founding member of Greenpeace, says he became frustrated with conventional protests when he made eye contact with a harpooned sperm whale during a campaign against Soviet whaling in 1975.

After a falling out with Greenpeace, which he has dismissed as a "feel good corporation," Watson founded Sea Shepherd in 1977. He bought his first ship in 1979 to disrupt seal hunts in eastern Canada. Later that year, the group rammed the ship into a whaling vessel in a Portuguese harbor.

Today, Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for ramming six whaling ships. The International Whaling Commission canceled Sea Shepherd's accreditation as an environmental group after it claimed responsibility for sinking two Icelandic whaling boats in Reykjavik harbor and wrecking a whale-meat-processing factory there in 1986.

Watson says the U.N. World Charter for Nature gives him legal authority to save whales by sinking or disabling whaling vessels.

But Tim Stephens, an international legal expert from the University of Sydney, says many of the group's activities contravene the law of the sea.

"Politically, who knows, perhaps this is something that will galvanize concern," he said. But "you can't take the law into your own hands to enforce your own view domestically, so why should you be able to take the law into your own hands on the high seas?"

Greenpeace also condemns Sea Shepherd's tactics.

Last year, Sea Shepherd volunteers circled a Japanese whaling ship off Antarctica and used nail guns to fasten plates over its drain outlets, which spill whale blood into the sea.

The attack ended when one of the Sea Shepherd boats cracked its hull in a collision with the Japanese ship, and the boat's two crew members were lost for more than seven hours in heavy fog and snow.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/nn20080119a7.html

they are like fly:p

[Chi65]

But on the scales with mass-murder they are still just small echoes. . .

I find some things as questionable (and prefer Greenpeace), as said before, but on the other side even more.

[Sarapva]

But on the scales with mass-murder they are still just small echoes. . .
I find some things as questionable (and prefer Greenpeace), as said before, but on the other side even more.

That's right - the whalers are butchering huge mammals from the sea. The Sea Shepherd is trying to intercept, now and then ramming another ship, sinking two ships. I think butchering mammals is more of a violation of life than sinking a ship.

It sounds like Paul Watson is doing only what he can do to live with his conscience after making eye contact with a harpooned whale. He's channeling his frustration at not being able to do anything for that whale into trying to prevent the murder of other whales.

[Chi65]

Yes,
but that makes it an emotional issue (no judging, just stating a fact) on the anti-whaler side,
while many are trying to argue from their office-table and call any other aspect a bambi-effect/factor (what a joke, if thats implied onto whales, they don't even realise this!) and as such irrelevant for the whole whaling theme, of course, from the pro-whaler-side, what else.

Anyhow, since there is a general battle on this emotional/rational field as well (even if many so-called rationals act out of very (from themselves) ignored emotional reasons, haha), they often fight against much more than just an anti whaler. In fact, maybe they would even like to change sides, but can't any more, for example because of their moneymaking professional situation. Which again makes them react like been attacked personally, once more also being very emotional, which the degradings and flamings that they tried or openly showed here too, made it clear enough. In which case any rational argument from them looks even more funny (particularly, if it speeds up, bypassing former questions, this typical zig-zagging. . .), only they don't realise it any more.

Its not, that I can't understand both sides
(one even has to try to understand the other side too, but that does not mean, that one has to accept or bow to it, which they expect in consequence, plain rubbish, it only shows their real reasons, and mostly very quickly. . .!)

And the far more dangerous one is the one, who continuously tries to find reasons for unproportional (and unnecessary) mass-killings.

Any anti-dictator will be forgiven (also for more drastic actions, if others didn't work), if not also honoured in the long run, but hardly the ice-cold dictator himself, who walked over corpses of whichever kind. Those killed ones will become the dead ones who constantly reappear for hauntings, no matter from which species.
Not so those who were handled with thanks and respect, even if eaten. They may live on in changed usefull form as welcomed reminders and friendly souls. Older cultures sure knew about this. Japanese also ought to know this, according to their own traditions. If they forgot, they are clearly blinded by the money, I can only repeat myself. They haunt themselves by calling for opposition this way. A very delicate balance is disturbed.

I am very much for giving some japanese culture back, or keeping it, but I mean that of cooperation with and respect for nature (humans and whales etc. are as much nature).

[Sarapva]

I can see what you mean here, Chi. Pro-whalers are saying that anti-whalers are emotional in a "bambi" kind of way (looking at whales like cute animals). I think for Paul Watson it's much more than that. I can hardly begin to imagine the guilt and sorrow he must have felt. Also the emotional response of activists who try to intervene with the dolphin slaughter is obviously much more than a "bambi effect". They suffer in empathy with what the dolphins and whales must be feeling.

I can see how pro-whalers might feel that it's wrong to kill these whales, but also feel obligated to keep doing so because of the money aspect or because they owe their loyalty to someone who's whaling. But I agree with what you said, Chi, about how the Japanese must be piling on bad karma for themselves by going against their own earlier culture (in not killing too many whales).

[caster51]

the emotion makes big donation as their big business from ppl who watch their performance.

it is a scheme of donation on purpose

[Chi65]

Here is an interesting article from the last days, about Inwood:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/whale-watch/a-maori-voice-for-a-japanese-cause/2008/01/18/1200620211150.html

Not that much new, but all together there.
Yet the writer also is not blind, one has to read all the way through!

I did not know the reason for his former (resignment) case, but had my guesses alright, as I can read now.

Plus:

But hunting whales also provides Mr Inwood with his own bread and butter.

plus:

The New Zealand Herald reported in 2006 that he has worked as a consultant for Te Ohu Kaimoana, an organisation devoted to advancing Maori fishing interests. It is also reportedly the sole voting shareholder in Aotearoa Fisheries, which in turn owns half of the major New Zealand seafood company Sealord. The other half is owned by a Japanese company, Nissui, which is also a shareholder in Japan's whaling fleet.

An experienced public relations agent, Michael Smith, whose former company took on a contract for Japanese whalers nine years ago, likened Mr Inwood's role to "representing seal clubbers".

Mr Smith's firm, Shandwick International, ran into trouble running a campaign on behalf of the Japanese Whaling Association. The company also had a contract with the International Fund for Animal Welfare to run a campaign in Britain against fox hunting - a deal which Shandwick lost when its whaling work became known to the animal-welfare activists.

In retrospect, it had probably been a mistake to take the brief, Mr Smith said. "It was just a case of the Japanese were sick of coming to Australia and getting ambushed everywhere, they wanted to get their own story out."

Mr Smith, who is not pro-whaling, said Mr Inwood would continue to face an uphill battle to sell his message, but that it would be unlikely to affect the whales themselves.

"I don't think the Japanese really care that much about public opinion in Australia."

Bob Burton, author of Inside Spin and an observer of the whaling industry's twists and turns, said Mr Inwood was a valuable asset for the Institution of Cetacean Research but the public relations battle could not be won.
"It's a bit like the asbestos industry - they are defending the indefensible, and the strategy is to keep on stalling. In the long term, though, it's hard to see anything other than the strategy unravelling."

My say. . .its too obvious for what it really is.

Not, that I have anything against Maoris either, but its a much more personal domination/recognition fight after all.
Maybe I should ask him to have some drink together and then paint something, that includes his maori style on equal level? I would not mind.

He seems to have a lack in attention for more than just the whales-case, but lives it out on them . . . .in an "I will show them" way. . .
Somewhat more than familiar to mums(and psychologists, by the way), right?


Bambi-factor?
Very cheap excuse indeed. . .right, Sarapva. Just watch out when that comes, and it will.

[Half-n-Half]

http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/japanese-whaling-update/

It's very one-sided, but also a very interesting read IMHO.

After you read this article you might think I am pro-whaling. This is not true, however. I am simply anti-Sea Shepherd.

[Chi65]

http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/japanese-whaling-update/

It's very one-sided, but also a very interesting read IMHO.

After you read this article you might think I am pro-whaling. This is not true, however. I am simply anti-Sea Shepherd.

Its your right, to put something on the scales, and it was also interesting.
Thanks for posting!
As said, I am not necessarily pro Watson etc., although I can understand them somehow.
After all, they are not the only ones at all, who have reasons against such whalings (as one can additionally read in the other article, as facts), and it should not all be thrown into one pot.
I personally would be happy, if it all could be somehow balanced and come back to honesty.

But as for the last forbidden ship for refuelling, the others are not better at all, nor anywhere near that, in contrary. Against such illegal methods, Watson is just a little mosquito after all, sorry to say.

Yet, very welcome, Half-n-Half, you'll have all chances to see things from all sides in these times. Be proud about this and stay awake! :-)

[Sarapva]

Yes - it's good to have both sides here. Some funny parts in that article, Half-n-Half.

[Kyoto Returnee]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/nn20080119a7.html

they are like fly:p

Caster 51:

No offence intended but I don't think it's important who or what the Sea Sheapard is or what they do.

It's more important to focus on the whalers and what they are doing, pros and cons, etc., after all, that's wht the thread is about.

I think we can all be sure that all members of the Shepard have their heads screwed on and have a clear motive for what they believe in.

On the other hand, it's difficult to get a grasp on the whalers, who they are, what they have to say publicly, etc.

It may indeed be that some members on board do not agree with killing the whales.. Who knows?

I'm not sure, but would hazard a strong guess that they have been censored from media interviews by Japanese law, possibly because of what they might say..

Let's wait and see.

[Chi65]

The good thing of this forum is, one can get the informations from different sides, from all over the world, which makes it much more easy to compare and find out, what is nothing but PR and whats not. :-)

[Kyoto Returnee]

The good thing of this forum is, one can get the informations from different sides, from all over the world, which makes it much more easy to compare and find out, what is nothing but PR and whats not. :-)

Indeed... Very much a multi say nation forum:beer:

[caster51]

What is the true purpose of SeaShepherd's activity? SeaShepherd is always conscious of their image on camera. SeaShepherd never play an active role without camera sneakingly. The true purpose of SeaShepherd's antiwhaling activity is, by showing their battle for life against Japanese whaling research ships to the world, to collect contributions from the world. SeaShepherd is no longer environmental organization. SeaShepherd is just "Money-mad" to obtain money from the world by tricks.
SeaShepherd's propaganda for antiwhaling has been appealing focused on barbarousness of Japanese whaling to viewer's emotions with videos repeatedly and sneakingly even though farmanimal's slaughterhouse is as brutal as whaling. As a result, anti-whalers have strong hatred for not only Japanese whaling but also Japanese people even though they can eat meat without hesitation because they don't know the reality of farmanimal's slaughterhouse. Australians must watch them!
Australians enjoy watching SeaShepherd's antiwhaling activity wages a fearlessly courageous battle against Japanese whaling research ships on TV for entertainment. Videos of SeaShepherd's antiwhaling activity seems that "white-hat" SeaShepherd's warriors fight a battle against "black hat" Japanese research ship. This is SeaShepherd just set Japan up as "the villain" like Hollywood action movie. Kevin Rudd who is famous for "Earwax Eater" noted the fact and used for political purposes.
The backroom fixer of Anti-whaling movement is International meat-industry organization (America and Australia). SeaShepherd has been getting vast contribution of money from International meat-industry organization and has been promoting unnecessary Anti-whaling movement. SeaShepherd' is not environmental group but TERRORISTS. SeaShepherd' has become just "Money-mad" that we Japanese should hate. SeaShepherd has been arousing strong hatred against Japanese people!
Ecologic Terrorists. "TERRORISTS" posing as a environmental group is SeaShepherd...this is the common perception of the world. We Japanese have strong resentment against SeaShepherd who has been taking destructive activities by brute force sneakingly and repeatedly. We Japanese who have made a declaration of fighting against "TERRORISM" never forgive SeaShepherd up to eradicate members of SeaShepherd.
Now, Australia is genuine terrorism-supporting state. Australia stands up for SeaShepherd who violates International Law of the Sea and takes destructive activities in name of antiwhaling. Australia encourages SeaShepherd's destructive activities, SeaShepherd is well-known for "Ecologic terrorists" not only in Japan but also rest of the world. We Japanese never forgive Australia.


http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTjXbdMyS4

[Chi65]

Japan is not the only one, who has to say something, esp. not obviously flamings.

See the new UN thread...

[caster51]

I don't leave here terrorist said 。。ＬＯＬ

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Q62tx8gnk

Australian media and gervenment faked ...?

[Chi65]

Lol, but they did not show, which sauce they ordered with the Tempura, as one requested to know before, hehe.
They could have force fed them with toxic whale meat though, to make them leave. . .right

[Kyoto Returnee]

I don't leave here terrorist said 。。ＬＯＬ

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Q62tx8gnk

Australian media and gervenment faked ...?

Hehehe..

Did you report it?

I think the "terrorist" was working for the government and fish'n'chip chop in the iivaning..