U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa

[brave_new_world]

U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa


Monday, February 11, 2008 at 12:20 EST


NAHA — Police in Okinawa Prefecture arrested a 38-year-old U.S. Marine on Monday on suspicion of raping a 14-year-old local girl. The suspect, Tyrone Hadnott, a staff sergeant who belongs to the Camp Courtney base, has denied raping the girl, saying he only got on top of her and kissed her, police said.

According to nvestigators, Hadnott is suspected of raping the girl inside a car parked on a street in the town of Chatan around 10:30 p.m. Sunday.

The Marine and the girl allegedly met about two hours earlier in the city of Okinawa, when he talked to the girl and two of her friends.

She agreed to ride on Hadnott's motorbike with him because she thought he would give her a ride home, according to police.

But the suspect took her to his house and tried to kiss her, they said. When the girl started crying, the serviceman told her he would take her to her home in his car, and the two got into his vehicle.

After the girl left her friends, they called her mobile phone several times, the investigators said. They made an emergency call to the police around 10:20 p.m. after the girl replied "Help me" and hung up the phone.

Hadnott was arrested early Monday after he was found inside his car in front of his house.


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[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

A girl is bad, too,
Because she rode a motorcycle of a man at midnight.
Her parent is bad, too,
They neglected discipline of a daughter.

[hideway]

What the hell are you talking about?

It is not the girl or her parents that are to blame.

[Mikawa Ossan]

I agree that the girl should have known better than to go with the man, but the fact of the matter is that the person who tried to commit a crime was the man.

I have no sympathy for him, and I hope that the faces consequences to match his actions.

For the girl's sake, I hope that he is telling the truth, and he only kissed her.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

In Japan,
A parent has managerial responsibility for a child.
It was only girls at midnight, and a thing is a problem.
It is a problem it was only in girls at night.
She is not with the man if the girl had a general education.

[Kyoto Returnee]

A girl is bad, too,
Because she rode a motorcycle of a man at midnight.
Her parent is bad, too,
They neglected discipline of a daughter.

I agree with Hiroyuki, but definitely the man is fully responsible for what he did, and she is for what she did in a roundabout sorta way.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

I do not protect United States Armed Forces soldier.

If the girl had commonsense self-defense consideration, this was able to be prevented.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Yes, 14 is way to young and like so many in Japan, Who is looking after those bloody kids!

[Dutch Baka]

Thank you mr. newcaster. But where is your own opinion on this matter? If you just want to bring news you can go and bring it to other websites, not here.

[DoctorP]

I'm sure he only did it to stir the pot DB. Either way it would have eventually made it on the forum anyway. We've been discussing this one since early morning here.

I am glad to see Hiroyuki's comments, being that he is a native Japanese. I feel the same way, the girl must shoulder a good bit of the blame, but I also agree that this idiot should be sent to jail and he himself should become the victim of sexual abuse...then he will know what it is like.

[hanachan]

The US Forces stations all over the world. People of other countries have the same problem?
In Japan many rapes committed by GIs in the past. I think that the most of GIs are well trained and keep discipline, and their crime rate is very low. However, once it happens, it seems to be a very brutal crime like murder or rape.
I want to hear from US servicemen, what do you think about this stupid GI? Is he a disgrace to the US Forces?

Is he innocence about the rape and just kissing her?
If it's so, I say he is a stupid man again. this 38-year-old staff sergeant should know that it's a crime to take 14-year-old girl to his home. (Is it same in the US?)

"君子危うきに近寄らず" to both side.

[brave_new_world]

In every country, sexual violation (rape) exists everywhere.
One single incident does not necessarily become a social issue.
Since Okinawa is a small village, such small incident may be a big event.

[undrentide]

In every country, sexual violation (rape) exists everywhere.
One single incident does not necessarily become a social issue.
Since Okinawa is a small village, such small incident may be a big event.

I don't think so.
The biggest reason it becomes a social issue is that those committed the crime got away with it - at least in the past, as the system is being changed.

I agree with hanachan saying "that the most of GIs are well trained and keep discipline, and their crime rate is very low" but if you see a soldier from other country commit crime in your own country and get away with it (even though he's sure to be punished if he did it in his home country), you cannot help feeling angry as well as very concerned that same things would happen again and again.

Another reason is that yes, Okiniawa is rather small (but it is not a village but islands!) while there are many, many US soldiers stationed there, compared with other part of Japan.
For the people in Okinawa, seeing US soldiers everyday is part of their life.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

In every country, sexual violation (rape) exists everywhere.
One single incident does not necessarily become a social issue.
Since Okinawa is a small village, such small incident may be a big event.

Because it is only Korea that a rape is a daily occurrence.:okashii:
Most of the criminals of rape incident in Japan are Koreans.
I offer it if you want a document.
In addition, I offer a news picture.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Rape happens in all countries by all cultures around the world .

The worst part is that if it happens in many Muslim countries, the female victim is the one that gets punished, usually whipping, or the worst a public execution!

[hanachan]

The worst part is that if it happens in many Muslim countries, the female victim is the one that gets punished, usually whipping, or the worst a public execution!

Is it hearsay knowledge or knowledge based on your experience?

And what do you mean from this?
Even if anything happens in Muslim countries or not, it has nothing to do with this rape case.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Is it hearsay knowledge or knowledge based on your experience?

And what do you mean from this?
Even if anything happens in Muslim countries or not, it has nothing to do with this rape case.

She may be muslim.

Afghanistan was one such country before it was liberated..

[Damicci]

Kyoto is just stating what would happen if this was another country with Muslim as the primary religion. Especially since the girl's guilt is also being questioned. I too hope he gets what he deserves. Who knows, the girl could have been trying to portray someone she wasn't to attract the guy. Not saying this is the case but As of right now only those 2 know the truth.

[tokapi]

Most criminals of rape incident in Japan are Koreans.I offer it if you want a document.In addition, I offer a news picture.



Ahem ... share some news articles ( Japanese or English ok ) if it's true that zainichi-Koreans are main rape perpetrators in Japan :blush:

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Rape case by Korean.
The family where a Korean stays with,
He rapes a girl of 6 years old and a boy of 4 years old.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DOuBz5Ovr24
A Korean rapes 18 women.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=ORLmBZsZKlo
A Korean ties up a woman and rapes it.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=YJv0vaPIRSc
A Korean student,
The woman of cellular phones testifies that it is easy to aim.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=EPEZd3xiX-A
A Korean rapes ten women.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=u4CH-zysf6k
A Korean rapes a female high school student.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wh-Cbw3tiA
In Kyoto,
A Korean says that "I want you to lend a lavatory" and enters a private house,He rapes six women.
http://joseino.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aa13.jpg
It is consecutive rape robbers in Osaka.
http://www.geocities.jp/yotsta/SANKEI2/sya010604.htm
A Korean clergyman rapes 35 girls.
http://joseino.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aa16.PNG
A Korean rapes 19 women living in Mejiro street of Tokyo.
Korean = yakuza
Yakuza, which does the police and shooting war in Hakodate
A criminal is a Korean yakuza.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6UVSirH-po
A gang leader of an arrested yakuza is a Korean.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar94j5KTevM
A murderer is a Korean yakuza.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=B5oXRiN8pA8
A ZAINICHI- Korean buys and sells an illegal account.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLWHIM120g

[dongdong]

Rape happens in all countries by all cultures around the world.

Exactly. Rape happens in all countries by all cultures around the world.
Whole Okinawa people protesting against American Marine is quite funny from one single incident.

Because it is only Korea that a rape is a daily occurrence.:okashii:
Most of the criminals of rape incident in Japan are Koreans.
I offer it if you want a document.
In addition, I offer a news picture.
In your dream!
By the way, What does that relate to "U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa"?

[Kyoto Returnee]

In your dream!
By the way, What does that relate to "U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa"?

I know the marine was in the US army but was he Japanese?

When the Japanese naval vessells land in Sydney, the sailors head up to Kings Cross for a shag with the girls, and I even heard a few were gay!

[pipokun]

Whole Korean people protesting against American Army was quite funny from one single car (tank) incident.
Of course, I am not that stupid to say so.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Rape case by Korean.
The family where a Korean stays with,
He rapes a girl of 6 years old and a boy of 4 years old.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DOuBz5Ovr24
A Korean rapes 18 women.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=ORLmBZsZKlo
A Korean ties up a woman and rapes it.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=YJv0vaPIRSc
A Korean student,
The woman of cellular phones testifies that it is easy to aim.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=EPEZd3xiX-A
A Korean rapes ten women.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=u4CH-zysf6k
A Korean rapes a female high school student.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wh-Cbw3tiA
In Kyoto,
A Korean says that "I want you to lend a lavatory" and enters a private house,He rapes six women.
http://joseino.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aa13.jpg
It is consecutive rape robbers in Osaka.
http://www.geocities.jp/yotsta/SANKEI2/sya010604.htm
A Korean clergyman rapes 35 girls.
http://joseino.hp.infoseek.co.jp/aa16.PNG
A Korean rapes 19 women living in Mejiro street of Tokyo.
Korean = yakuza
Yakuza, which does the police and shooting war in Hakodate
A criminal is a Korean yakuza.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6UVSirH-po
A gang leader of an arrested yakuza is a Korean.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar94j5KTevM
A murderer is a Korean yakuza.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=B5oXRiN8pA8
A ZAINICHI- Korean buys and sells an illegal account.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLWHIM120g

Whoa Hiroyuki..

You want to eat some strong Kim-Chi to calm you down LOL..

Onion-hosayo!

[dongdong]

Of course, I am not that stupid to say so.

I was talking to Kyoto Returnee! :-) not you :-)

Whoa Hiroyuki..
You want to eat some strong Kim-Chi to calm you down LOL..
Onion-hosayo!

Yeah!
In my opinion, one of his family member was victimized by a Korean.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Hi Dong-Dong:

I think certain people connect Japan and Korea for the wrong reasons out of ignorance, but they forget you guys share pretty much the same geography, food and US Military issues, something that is very difficult to work through, even more so for Korea with the North overlapping.

I was amazed how much Korean inflence their is in Japan with the 'Yaki-niku' restaurants throughout virtually every town and that ever so yummy Kim Chee at the supermarkets.

I always made sure when I purchased a pot that it was from Korea as the Japanese brand just had that special something missing;-) and was not as spicy yummy..

By the way, I am sorry and was shocked to see the large gate in Seol burning down. What a terrible happening.

[Mars Man]

Please people, let's just take our time here, consider all the evidence we have at the moment, not try to bring in outside, non-related to this particular incident data...for now.

As investigation goes on, we can see more of the puzzle parts fit together. This is a matter of what happened between people, let's never lose focus of that...we are talking about people...and there is a wide range of content in that realm, and there are many things that can go wrong within that realm to...the people realm.


And, please, keep it on topic.

[-Rudel-]

IMHO.....and knowing what I know about the Okinawan culture and people.

The girls here in Okinawa are always out late at night with there freinds, or b/f. ie) there's a couple that sit in our garage port talking all night long all the time. Me and my wife don't mind. There's been nights when I go to my garage to work on my car, and they are still there in the weeeeee hours in the morning.

Her parents are bad, if they don't know where she's at, and why she is not at home at that moment. Haven't they taught her anything about what may happen. Perhaps history? Probably not, most don't want to remember the past. My wife is the same way...even if it's a small argument. And for the girls own sake, she should have never rode with SSgt for a ride.

And then, SSgt should have never given her a ride; she could of called her friends for one to get home. What was he thinking! A Marine knowing the consequences. As usual. It's that mentallity. "if I don't get caught, it's ok" But he got caught. His mentallity was overboard.

From what I read from the first post, he shouldn't have even tried to kiss her when she cried. I would of left her where they met and went my way.

It also appears there is something shady going here with Her. As the news goes on, we'll see what happens.

[DoctorP]

Rudel, according to news reports they first met at 8:30pm...not too late, then he took her to his place.

I believe that I read earlier today that charges of rape were forwarded to the prosecutors office, which tells me that they may have enough evidence to prosecute...otherwise they would have waited longer or gone with a lesser charge. I'll have to read more and see what I can find.

[-Rudel-]

8:30.....ok then. But it is true that girls stay out way late...Other than that....I think they are both in the wrong, and given the recent history, it's going to be 100% his fault.

That night, it most probably started to rain, so he offered a ride home in the car. And that is when she started feeling scared. Given the English/Japanese language barrier.

I do find it interesting that she had enough time to answer the phone and say help me, then hang up. It's almost as if, he let her do what she wanted; and he was just trying to help her. I think she was scared and didn't know what to do.

So now that he saw her crying, I guess he was trying to comfort her, which he should of just left the kissing part out, or not even offer the ride in the first place, and have her friends pick her up.

I'm not trying to takes side or anything. Im just throwing out some "what ifs"

[akita]

No ofence for the Americans. Most of the civilian Americans are good decent people but the army is something different. It has a very bad reputation even in countries that at the beginning welcome them. What's that with the girl being guilty for being outside at night? so what that give someone the right to rape her? I come from work at 11PM should i fear an attack because of that? When I was in high school we were learning in 2 shifts so I was coming home late in the evening but I don't thing should be a reason to be attacked by someone.
the true is that most of this soldiers have no respect for the locals, act rude and are driving drunk whenever they can in all the countries they are. For example one of this soldiers got drunk drive like a crazy and killed in my country a well known singer. He got away with an reproof but for cheating his wife not for murder. He was also cheating his wife that night. It wouldn't be such a big deal if he would've face the consequence like any other citizen. But being an American soldier gave him a free passport in front of justice. Imagine what will be the opinion of Americans if a soldier from another country will rape a woman on American territory or will drive drunk.

[-Rudel-]

The girl can do what she pleases, I have no care in what she does.

Okinawa is full of drunk drivers of both nationalities. It's not just the military, civilians. It's both! But let's not get off topic about drunk driving. It's everywhere in the world.

In America, it happens all the time. It's nothing knew, so when see/hear on t.v. or read in the papers of what happened it's not a big thing. I swear some people just get tired of hearing it, so they ignore. As long as they didnt do it, they are good. and..YES...rape is wrong, and the only thing that can be done, is register them, and give the appropriate charges according to the laws, and jury. No country in the world can control ever single person. It's up to that individual to do the right thing.

[akita]

I agree with you @rudel. This acts are not committed by one nation just. It wouldn't be a problem as I said if all this people would face justice every time they commit a crime regarding what they are. people became angry when they have the filing that just for being USA soldier you don't need to face justice. this is the main reason for a bad sometime distorted image of USA. Rape is wrong no matter in what situation. no matter if the victim is not a Saint, nobody deserve such a thing and is a crime nevertheless.

[ajackson17]

I agree with you that no one should feel unsafe even at the times of darkness. I myself coming from a neighborhood that you have to be feel unsafe to walk at night. I am in the USAF stationed at Kadena Ab. I don't really believe she should get blamed, the SSGT was 38 years old. He shouldn't gave her a ride, if she needed to get home should gave her cab fare and left it at that or shouldn't be messing with a underage girl or trying to force himself on any girl. But all military on okinawa are getting punished for the act of a few. That's military life for you though. You can be the best, helping out the community, learning japanese and its culture and customs and still get labled as trouble, because some few people want to act stupid when I know many guys that wouldn't do such a thing. But the marine mentality is far different from the Air force mentaility so I believe it counted as a factor, but most Okinawans are not going to perceived it as that.

[Goldiegirl]

I wonder how she was dressed, and how much make-up she was or wasn't wearing. I myself at that age liked to appear older than my teens. I fooled a lot of folks, I could get into bars. I am not saying that it is the young lady's fault, but sometimes teenagers get themselves into situations that they shouldn't.....

[hanachan]

I don't really believe she should get blamed, the SSGT was 38 years old. He shouldn't gave her a ride, if she needed to get home should gave her cab fare and left it at that or shouldn't be messing with a underage girl or trying to force himself on any girl.
I agree with you, ajackson17.
I think that it is a honest opinion from the inside of US forces.
The adult man of 38 years old has moral responsibility to protect his daughter age girl, even if she had a fault.

[akita]

I wonder how she was dressed, and how much make-up she was or wasn't wearing. I myself at that age liked to appear older than my teens. I fooled a lot of folks, I could get into bars. I am not saying that it is the young lady's fault, but sometimes teenagers get themselves into situations that they shouldn't.....

It really doesn't matter. A 38 year old guy should have a better thing to do than raping someone regardless that person behavior. I don't thing its so difficult to find bars, prostitute whatever in order not to get around raping people. Being on foreign territory should make you ten time more careful in what you do. there is quotes in my country I'm not sure if translation will be very good: what a fool does once a 1000 wise man can't undone it.the point is that one bad action stay there in the mind of the people many many years. I remember when this news was presented on tv It was correlate with another rape from '95 of another American soldiers getting the impression that all the Americans are doing there is increasing criminality rate.

[Goldiegirl]

In the overall picture it doesn't matter as I stated. This man had not even been tried yet, is he not innocent until proven guilty?

[緑さん]

In the overall picture it doesn't matter as I stated. This man had not even been tried yet, is he not innocent until proven guilty?

That's in american public courts. He'll either be tried by a military court (since he's in service he is to be tried there) or a Japanese court. I don't know whether they support innocent 'till proven guilty or not.

Anyway, i agree with the girl also being at fault. I believe the book should be thrown at him, but at the same time i think the girl learned a valuable lesson, whom i blame the parents for not teaching her. I'm surprised by her bravery; how often does a little girl talk to a man of his age?

[Glenski]

I'm surprised by her bravery; how often does a little girl talk to a man of his age?
Ever hear of enjo-kosai?

[緑さん]

Nope, and i'd do some research but i can't be sure i got the 漢字 right.

[Masamune_74]

In your dream! By the way, What does that relate to "U.S. Marine arrested on suspicion of raping 14-year-old girl in Okinawa"?

Well I can tell you this. I has made finding an apartment a bit harder as an American. Crazy huh...

[Glenski]

Nope, and i'd do some research but i can't be sure i got the 漢字 right.
Just use English. Start with Wikipedia and go from there. Geez.

[GodEmperorLeto]

A few things to understand about the U.S. military.

1) The concept of citizen-soldier is dead. Americans no longer believe in serving their country. Vietnam had something to do with that. So did the fact that ever since the 1960s we've been a bunch of whiny, spoiled rich kids.

2)Without citizen-soldiers, that means the only people in the military (which is VOLUNTEER) are the dregs of society who didn't know what else to do with their lives. Many of the soldiers are Southern good-old-boys who are plenty racist.

3) When you sign on the dotted line, you are owned by the U.S. military. Essentially, you waive your rights for the duration of your term of service. The U.S. military values hardware (tanks and planes) more than the lives of the servicemen. They send you where they want you to go. That "dream sheet" of the places you want to go and see is just that--a dream. More than half the time, you end up in some country you never wanted to see in the first place.

4) There is no such thing as a sane Marine. The U.S. Marines have a long and glorious history of f-ing stuff up, ever since Jefferson sent them to kill the Barbary pirates. The Marines break you down and rebuild you into a killing machine that obeys orders. Everything outside of the chain of command isn't as important.

5) The U.S. military slaps these guys on the wrist because they want them around so they can send them off to die somewhere. Soldiers in peacetime areas are always volatile. Ever since Roman legionnaires raped Queen Boudicia's daughters and earlier, soldiers in occupied foreign territory have behaved badly. Heck, the British soldiers' conduct in the colonies was one of the things that sparked the American revolt.

This in no way is to defend this guy. I am sick and tired of hearing about how U.S. soldiers are acting like jackasses in other countries. I hope the Japanese government throws the book at this guy. He needs to be made an example of--so long as he is guilty.

Regardless, trying to make out with a junior high school student is conduct unbecoming a U.S. Marine, and he belongs in the stockade, even if he didn't rape her.

[Goldiegirl]

My cousin is a Marine. He isn't the dregs of society. He needed money to go to college. If he survives Iraq he will have his education paid for. I wouldn't throw words like that around. Crimes are committed by individuals on an individual basis. This particular man needs to be tried.

[Glenski]

I agree with Goldiegirl.

GodEmperorLeto is generalizing far too much here.

There ARE "sane Marines".
There are soldiers other than his image of stupid racist southerners. (I know 3 personally who all volunteered.)

At least GEL doesn't seem to condone the conduct of the Marine in question.

[GodEmperorLeto]

Okay, didn't intend to make it appear as if the entire U.S. military were scumbag nuisance-makers. But I know plenty of people who have joined the military and discovered that most of the guys they are surrounded by are far from the "best and the brightest" that America has to offer--which is what I was getting at. And I'm related to soldiers in Iraq, so I also have family involved in all this. I'm trying to say is that a huge portion of U.S. troops are far from exemplars of our society. My comments aren't simply my own opinion, they are based on observations made to me by current and former servicemen who are my friends and relatives.

As for sane Marines, maybe I went a bit too far, but I will say this--no one has ever come out of the Marines the same as they went in. While that is true for any experience, it seems that the Marines make a huge impression on you--you BECOME one. And you never stop being one, even when you are discharged.

But no, I do not condone this particular Marine's behavior. I don't trust that the Japanese legal system won't necessarily give him the fairest trial. If he didn't rape the girl, it'd be a shame if he was convicted. But I can understand how the Japanese people and government are sick of U.S. soldiers who act like idiots off base. They are probably going to make an example of him. It's been a long time coming.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Today's news
The girl withdrew accusation.
The U.S. soldier was released.

[Dutch Baka]

Today's news
The girl withdrew accusation.
The U.S. soldier was released.
Any source? I can't find anything on Newsonjapan or Mainichi Daily News.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Any source? I can't find anything on Newsonjapan or Mainichi Daily News.
It broadcasted it in TV news of NHK of 21:00 today.
OTHER
http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=soc_30&k=2008022901118

[Goldiegirl]

Thanks for posting Hiroyuki Nagashima. I found an English version at the Daily Yomiuri.

[DoctorP]

I find it very strange that the charges were dropped. I can only hope that the Japanese jouralists will follow up on this case and get the facts to the people so that we all understand what has transpired.

[GodEmperorLeto]

No kidding. This was a really big to-do, and I'm wondering if there aren't any social or political pressures being leveraged to get her to drop it (both direct and indirect). It could be as sinister as bribes or threats, or as simple as her not wanting anymore attention from being in an already bad situation.

These incidents are bound to continue, though. Even though the U.S. is probably there to keep heat on N.Korea, I really look forward to when we can leave Japan for good. It would be in the best interests of everybody involved.

[Glenski]

For the moment, my wife says that nobody knows why the girl dropped the charges. I doubt the press will follow up on that end of the issue.

She may have felt embarrassed about going to court.
She may have actually liked the guy or felt sorry for him.
She may have been bought off.
She may have simply changed her mind and not felt the whole matter was worth a court.

Let's be patient, but I'm not holding my breath.

[dreamer]

Goodness...that's one kind of a case oO
But in the end do we know if he really commited the act?

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Because he confessed to attempted rape,
He does not say innocence at all.
The United States Armed Forces announced that they continued investigation about this incident.

[DoctorP]

For the moment, my wife says that nobody knows why the girl dropped the charges. I doubt the press will follow up on that end of the issue.
She may have felt embarrassed about going to court.
She may have actually liked the guy or felt sorry for him.
She may have been bought off.
She may have simply changed her mind and not felt the whole matter was worth a court.
Let's be patient, but I'm not holding my breath.


Hmmm? You conveniently left off...maybe nothing happened? I find it unlikely that the prosecutor would allow a case to be dropped in Japan if there was sufficient evidence. The fact that the man was locked up for 2 weeks and questioned tells me that the case was going no where.

One problem seems to be that they jumped the gun and went after a rape conviction. If there was not enough evidence to support rape, then the prosecutor would never allow it to go to court anyway...save face and have the girl drop the case instead of back tracking and making the police and prosecutors look bad.

Had they also charged him with assault, or say molestation, then the case would still be going forward, but they chose not to do that and only sought the rape charge.

Because he confessed to attempted rape,
He does not say innocence at all.
The United States Armed Forces announced that they continued investigation about this incident.


He confessed to what would be molestation (kissing and pressing against her), and not necessarily attempted rape. I'm not sure where you draw the line on when attempted rape starts, but I would suspect that he would have to at least attempt to get her pants off.

The Consulate General has assured that he will press the military to complete an investigation. I am positive he will face charges in a Marine court in the near future.

[Glenski]

Doctor P,
I conveniently left out nothing. He was charged with rape. He denied it. They held him according to Japanese law and grilled him without a lawyer present (again,according to Japanese law), but he continued to deny the rape. Read the less-than-gossipy news articles and you'll see that he only admitted to kissing and "pressing up to her". Whether that was enough to continue charges, I don't know. I don't know the statutory rape laws in Japan. The papers clearly state that the girl dropped the charges.

Why? Speculation is the only way to answer at this point. I think one of my suggested reasons is going to be the real one. People in Japan are not aggressive enough to pursue certain matters, and embarrassment over such a thing in one's family can be a strong motivating factor. Besides, if it were to leak out that she actually provoked some of the events, a shame-minded parent would be wise to have caution.

Note that I do not purport she did provoke him. The WaiWai article does. Only the girl knows for sure. Look at it logically, though. Someone 38 actually takes you to his home and comes on to you that strongly, you flee, and then he pursues you and you claim rape. No signs of a struggle are suspicious but not conclusive either way. No positive lab results are also probably inconclusive for a legal definition of rape (or at least attempted rape). If you go that far to file rape charges, why back out with a story that goes this far? Pretty fishy to me if all one is trying to do is say they "lost interest", as the news reports have done. Something else is up here.

[Glenski]

Should have done this before posting above. According to the Penal Code of Japan, here are 3 articles that might be considered in a rape case:

Article 176. (Forcible Indecency)
A person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act
upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by
imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The
same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female
under thirteen years of age.

Article 177 (Rape)
A person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits sexual intercourse
with a female of not less than thirteen years of age commits the crime of rape and
shall be punished by imprisonment with work for a definite term of not less than 3
years. The same shall apply to a person who commits sexual intercourse with a
female under thirteen years of age.

Article 178. (Quasi Forcible Indecency; Quasi Rape)
(1) A person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female by taking
advantage of loss of consciousness or inability to resist, or by causing a loss of
consciousness or inability to resist, shall be punished in the same manner as
prescribed for in Article 176.
(2) A person who commits sexual intercourse with a female by taking advantage of a
loss of consciousness or inability to resist, or by causing a loss of consciousness or
inability to resist, shall be punished in the same matter as prescribed in the
preceding Article.

[Goldiegirl]

I could have gotten a few Japanese men in trouble. There is a point at which we have to draw a line.

sorry that sounded a bit gruff....the coffee maker is still on the blink. I am against adults, having sex with minors. I feel that this case was whipped into a frenzy and everyone was very quick to agree with the girl, and dismiss what the guy was saying. That causes trouble. It happens in the US a lot too. Again, I don't condone the behavior, but I also don't condone witch hunts.

[dreamer]

Talking about it...wasn't there a similar case about 10 years ago? I sort of remember hearing about it although I was in middle school back then...

[Glenski]

Yes, dreamer.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9603/okinawa_rape/index.html

[happilyengaged]

I am in total shock here.

So many people focused on "what did the girl do" and "what was the girl wearing" etc etc...

And then people started saying things like "he only kissed her and pressed up against her."

As an educator of young children, I can tell you that if I ever see a man pressing up and kissing against one of my kids he would be very lucky if he could walk into court on his own two feet. I don't care if she was naked and making kissing noises at him.

This was a child with whom he may not even have been able to fully communicate with, yet he took the liberty to, at the very least! lay on top of and kiss!

If it was my own daughter...well...I don't know what the policies are on this site but lets just say that the court date would be for myself, not him.

But that holds true for any adult, man or woman.

For this man-- I and ALL American's are paying to train him, paying him to protect us and to represent us in Japan, and we are paying him to very specifically uphold those promises he made when he joined the forces.

He confessed to violating American laws, military laws, and breaking the oaths that he has sworn TO OUR COUNTRY AND ITS CITIZENS to uphold; we, all of America (myself included via taxation) have hired him to work for us for that very purpose, yet he became one of the very things that he is paid to protect from.

Such actions as those to which he confessed to are despicable in and of themselves, and should be treated for all of that which they are plus something akin to treason for such an egregious break in his oath to his nation.

The issue goes far beyond anything that this minor said or did.

[LateNight~*]

I know I may be butting in but does this have anything to do with the current rumor that the Japanese government is trying to get rid of the American army base in Okinawa? I heard this from my older army-vet coworker.

I know it's a bit of a stretch but it sounds like this would push the japanese gov't in that direction.

[happilyengaged]

I have only recently been researching the withdrawal from Okinawa but it looks like a number have steps have begun to at least reduce the number of troops. Either way...

I do not think that a soldier taking home a young crying Japanese girl, laying on top of her and kissing her has anything to do with that.

[LateNight~*]

You're right but it would give more reason to withdrawal the troops. The fact that an American soldier would go into someone else's country and abuse their laws is complete arrogance. I'm disappointed to see that in our military.

[Glenski]

The fact that an American soldier would go into someone else's country and abuse their laws is complete arrogance. I'm disappointed to see that in our military.
Think how the poor C.O. must be feeling right now. Recent reports of alleged rape and murder by the troops, plus theft by sons of the soldiers. Sheesh. Poor C.O. must not even want to read his morning mail these days.

[happilyengaged]

of course it is also possible that the heart of the problem lay with the commanding officers.

For instance, if they continually let molestation and possible rape (or even arguabaly kidnapping) pass by with a slap on the wrist, then the only motivation the fellow soldiers have is intrensic motivation to respect the Japanese.

How much more, then, will that impact the children's motivation to respect humanity, Japanese, and Japanese laws? Or American laws when they come back to the states?


For those that would take offense:

I have family members in various areas of service, and some of them are absolutely the smartest and most respectable people I have met. But as one of the previous posters mentioned, there are alot of individuals in the forces who are not as honorable as they could be and who joined purely out of extrensic motivating factors (Though that poster was way off base in his accusations).

[dreamer]

Well...the marines is clearly guilty of his actions here and that is unacceptable (especially from an educator/parent point of view).
Still we don't know all the details.
What kind of clothes was the young girl wearing? Why did she accept that an unknown foreign person gives her a ride? Did she really not tempted him?
Those are questions that weren't answered and there is actually in my opinion a possibility that the girl is guilty as well...

[happilyengaged]

there is actually in my opinion a possibility that the girl is guilty as well...

Not to come across as being mean to you or anything...but

guilty of what?

Guilty of not being wise at 14? Guilty of having not planned for the future very well at 14 years old? Perhaps guilty of having some sexually adventurous desires at 14 ? (how guilty would that be, I mean how terrible for a girl of 14 to have some desires of which she is unfamiliar with and doesn't know how to handle yet. Criminal I say! Guilty!)


I mean...and I really do not mean to be insulting here...but isn't that bassically the same as saying "she is guilty of being a young girl."

Obviously there are alot of unknowns about her life, and they should remain unknown from us.

What we know, and what he knew, is that she was a young girl just being introduced to life, with very little personal history on which to pull from. As with all young people in the world.

A few misguided advances, even if they occurred, would hardly make her "guilty"--they would make her young.

Should we pardon or "understand" his need for molesting every adventurous or sexually curious 2-15 year old that crosses his path. After all, they are guilty right?

Do they not, as developing individuals, have the right to grow mentally, physically, and sexually--biologically--as a human must? and is it not the job of those of us who have already grown and have so many more years of experience under our belt to help guide and protect them as they develop through those stages that we have already passed through?

How much more a man paid to do just that? Trained to do just that? Sworn to do just that?

And remember, that is assuming that she is "guilty" of all of the above, which is by no means certain.


Regardless of anything at all that she did, there is NOTHING that could have possibly occurred to alleviate the offenses done by this marine, as expounded on in my previous posts (short of having intentionally drugged him of course).

I can't even begin to express my sorrow for our men taking actions such as these anywhere in the world, and my disappointment and anger if he is not given a particularly strict judgment by both the courts and us as individuals.

[dreamer]

Age and wisedom are two different things and indeed, one cannot expect the same level of maturity between
a 14 years old teenager and a 30 years old adult. However let us look at the situation and the context:
Okinawa is a place where ressentment against the US army is pretty strong, especially since a rape case
happened a dozen years ago. Sure, the girl was too young to know anything about this story and most kids are not interrested in history. However, with the strong protest that followed the case, it is clear that the case was not forgotten, and I find it unbelievable that she did not receive warning from her family regarding american soldiers (I have received biased remarks on Japanese people my whole life based on what they did in China during the war).

Now doesn't the setting of the case seem weird? She was described as being with some friends when a 38 year old foreigner stopped and tried to get her to get on his bike. Doesn't it almost sound like a stereotypical case ?
The victim in this case is 14 years old and not 6 nor 7. Most parents and teacher always teach their kids never to follow any stranger from their youngest age. Would it not seem weird that she followed the guy when he is asking her and not one of her friends to get on his bike?
Even if the girl was not the brightest kid in Japan, wouldn't at least one of her friend get the idea of what might happen and try to tell her not to do it? The way she followed the guy just sounds fishy to me...as if some details were omitted on purpose...

Another point is that we know absolutely nothing about the girl...just enough details to make us want to defend her: she is young (14 years old) and defenseless (a girl against a trained soldier). Almost sounds like what happened was unavoidable. Was she actually trying to discover her sexuality? Well...listening to all those stories about enko it wouldn't surprise me but he still stopped and didn't try to push further on (thanks god).

As far as we know, tyrone probably wasn't frustrated, seeing different women every week, and although his action as a representative of the U.S. and as a man are unforgivable (and I understand your indignation), should he be considered to be the only one guilty? We all know how it is difficult to resist tentation sometimes, and unknown circumstances might have lead to the situation.
I am not saying that the soldier should be forgiven for he has done something that I find terrible. However shouldn't we expect a 14 year-old kid to at least know the risks of going alone with some stranger? Especially girls?

Anyway...I will not try to push the question further since I do not wish to anger you, so please forgive me if what I said displeased you.

[Chidoriashi]

I think the only thing the girl is guilty of is being stupid. But the crime in topic here is rape, or sexual assault or whatever, not putting oneself in a bad situation. Thus, regardless of the girl`s foolishness, the man still should bear 100% of the responsibility.

[Glenski]

I think the only thing the girl is guilty of is being stupid. But the crime in topic here is rape, or sexual assault or whatever, not putting oneself in a bad situation. Thus, regardless of the girl`s foolishness, the man still should bear 100% of the responsibility.
Then why did the girl drop the charges, eh? THINK about it.

[happilyengaged]

The confessions made by the man in question are the points I am addressing. Anything more he did would only make his crimes that much worse, thus the dropping of the case is irrelevant to my point. I would like to know what really caused it to be dropped though.

I understand your point of view dreamer, and I know where you are coming from.

The problem I have with it is that after having studied the processes involved in emotional, and physical child development (from thinking process to brain development to overall body development) I do not believe that claiming she is "guilty" for having not reached certain developmental levels yet is appropriate. People develop at varying rates and have different experiences in life that allow for varying skills to develop before others.

I would say, rather than that she is guilty, that there may need to be an investigation by the parents or individuals close to her in order to determine if she needs a little more assistance, instruction and advice on how to handle all of the developmental changes and experiences she is undergoing at this point in her life.

The problem I see is that people, such as yourself (though I really do not mean any offense by this) honestly do not understand how humans develop and what stages they go through.

Think about how many years of memory you have. You have to be intelligent and able to recall, organize and process information about a situation before you can truly begin to use it to make logical deductions from. But before you can do that you must be able to think logically and at least somewhat abstractly.

How many years of such quality thinking processes does a 14 year old have to pull on? Very few in fact, and in truth they are not particularly logical thinkers at that point and have essentially no abstract thinking skills worth mentioning (except for a few brilliant minds of course). They are still developing in every way possible.



The fact is that she is a child. You could just as well ask, Are you guilty for needing water to drink?

When you learn more about child development you will find that a child simply is not "guilty" for needing extra time and assistance to grow into an intelligent and mature adult. In worst case scenarios they may need to be seperated from portions of society while growing, but the time needed for development is a necessity, not a crime or something of which they are "guilty".

In some situations children at 4 and 7 and 10 and 15 will be forced to act out functions and tasks that we would normally associate with maturity. But even in those cases, and this is from experience as well as research, the children are still just that. Children. If you were to get to know them you would learn that thier thinking process are still very childish, despite some of their mature actions.


Thus I say again, if she were making advances such as those accused, which may not be the case at all being that at this point it is all just conjecture, it would be a simple indicator that she needs a little more assistance handling life, not that she is "guilty" in causing her own molestation.

Do you understand that? You and so many others here are accusing her of actually being guilty in causing her own molestation.....

The guilt, morally and legally, falls squarely on the shoulders of this fellow Tyrone.

Sure, some guilt could also be given to officers that have let similar behavior go unpunished in the past, comrades that would encourage such behavior, and the child's parents and close adults that may have seen signs that indicated she needed some assistance and didn't give it. But it was this guy Tyrone that took advantage of her in that developing state.

Regardless of any other information there is no justification for assigning "guilt" to a child in the case of his/her own molestation.

[bakaKanadajin]

I've read through the main arguments which place blame on both parties to varying degrees. I think overall both sides have articulately demonstrated that, in various situations, both parties could realistically share some of the blame for what happened.

One the one hand a male cannot be expected to outright ignore the biological and psychological response that occurs when an attractive female (and here I assume, even at 14, she was at least sufficiently 'developed', physically/visually, for lack of a better word, since if she wasn't, that would clearly make him more like a pedophile and change the tone of the incident completely) makes advances. We often forget marrying that young of a woman used to be common practice in all of our countries, and still is in many. That doesn't legitimize it, but it makes it seem less alien from the human experience.

On the other hand a female, despite being of the age where sexual desire starts and where she may, if not with this soldier, have gone out and found someone to do stuff with anyway, still cannot be held accountable for knowing what shes doing because urge does not wait for experience. There's a reason why kids do things that we think could only be carried out by an adult, like hurting animals, hurting each other, lying, etc. They are curious.

However the law, as it has been written by people who have studied these things closely and considered them well, finds that to give a reasonable amount of beneficial doubt to traditionally vulnerable parties they must draw a numerical line somewhere. Obviously in this case, above 14. That is not to say that young people are incapable of potentially abusing this protection, as is commonly seen by young people committing crimes here in Canada and then being protected by the our Young Offenders Act, but the law gives them the benefit of the doubt.

Therefore, if you're this soldier who's thinking about things in the light of man and woman and what comes naturally, you're still obliged to remember the law, because the law is there specifically to guide us in these unsure situations. Therefore, no matter what the causes and influences, this soldier is guilty of a crime in my opinion, if anything took place. The fact that charges got dropped is important to note, but obviously, SOME kind of association took place otherwise we wouldn't be hearing about it today. I don't care how hot she might have been, my better judgement would prevent me from even talking to someone that young outside of a school setting, forgetting what my biological urges are.

This unfortunately lets the girl off the hook for any knowing indiscretions, advances, promises, signals, etc. she visited on this soldier, and doesn't sympathize with any developmental shortcomings the solider may have also had. The law isn't perfect but it is clear.

[Chidoriashi]

Glenski> I'm not quite sure what you are implying, but all I am saying is that the girl technically did not break any laws, and therefore is not bears no legal responsibility or guilt for anything. Sure her actions can be frowned upon, but I don't think it can be used in court to exonerate him from any charges.

[happilyengaged]

Then why did the girl drop the charges, eh? THINK about it.


and honestly there are plenty of reasons. It is possible she received threats.

It is possible that she heard alot of people, such as those on this forum, insulting the girl in question without knowing who it was. Her parents may not have wanted to have her be ridiculed and insulted for the rest of her life for believing she was responsible for being molested. At any rate it could certainly give her the reputation of having a lesser character, even if she did none of the things suggested here. Of course, they would have been more inclined to do so if our military has assured the family that they will punish the man accordingly without exposing her identity. but even without that assurance it would make sense they might drop it for that reason.

Or it could be that he didn't rape her but still molested her and that she may have made some false accusations against him, which resulted in her parents deciding not to continue with it any farther for a variety of reasons.

Or it could have been one of many other reasons. We don't know, but I hope if anyone hears any updates on what steps our military is taking in addressing the issue that they post it here!

[Capster78]

Wow..

Yes, this man should be put in jail for a long time. He has no business playing around with a girl of that age. In america, Consent is usually at a minimum 16 years old. At 14 years old, that is considerd rape.

I would like to direct a question at thouse who feel American Service Members have a free ride. I would like to see evidence of an american service member recently (within the past 20 years) commiting a crime and blatently geting away with it. Show me some links and some proof of this. I bet you will not find it.

[FactsGuy]

I would like to see evidence of an american service member recently (within the past 20 years) commiting a crime and blatently geting away with it. Show me some links and some proof of this. I bet you will not find it.

That's a tough one to supply. The problem finding that info are the service members are usually turned over to the US authorities, and anyone that knows anything about our (the US) judicial system knows that its not worth a thing, since criminals are set free so easily. I personally know of 2 guys that committed crimes overseas, one in Thailand the other in Japan, and neither was punished. The crimes involved soliciting a minor (a mistake in processing allowed drop charges) and the other was about $500 worth of vandalism.

I am 100% against SOFA because it encourages people to misbehave.

[Capster78]

That's a tough one to supply. The problem finding that info are the service members are usually turned over to the US authorities, and anyone that knows anything about our (the US) judicial system knows that its not worth a thing, since criminals are set free so easily. I personally know of 2 guys that committed crimes overseas, one in Thailand the other in Japan, and neither was punished. The crimes involved soliciting a minor (a mistake in processing allowed drop charges) and the other was about $500 worth of vandalism.
I am 100% against SOFA because it encourages people to misbehave.

No, they are not. Actually in most cases, unless it is just a minor offence, the majority are turned over to the host country and tried in their courts as long as it is percieved they will get a fair trial and will not be exposed to torture in captivity or extreem punishment.

I dissagree. I believe we have to have a SOFA agreement due to the fact that the legal system of many other countries are entirely different than ours. Would you subject our troops to a legal system that may be biased or has overly harsh punishments? There are alot of countries out there that will find you guilty just because you are American. Before you even set foot in a court your guilty in their eyes. In alot of countries punishments are extreem such as cuting off a limb for stealing. Other countries do not have free speach laws, so technically if one of our servicemembers expresses any type of free speach against the country their in they could be breaking a host nation law.

The reason why we need a sofa agreement is to protect our soldiers against unfair trials, extreem punishment and laws that we generally do not enforce in america (such as free speech laws and womens rights laws). In some countries it is against the law for a woman to do certain things such as what they should wear in public, who they should marry and other things. Do you want our females in the military subject to this type of law. All of what I have mentioned above is the reason why we have SOFA agreements. Generally if we see that the host countries justice system is fair and the punishments are as well, we have no problem turning over law breakers to the host nation. We do it all the time in Korea, Japan and Europe.

The reason most countries protest the SOFA agreement is because they have the false premise that American soldiers get away with whatever they want. This is propogated usually be the political party or organization in that country which just does not want us there.

The cases you mentioned above are probably oddities. They don't happen very often like that. I can not comment without knowing further detail. I personally have not heard of anyone geting away with anything in the 3 years I have been overseas. Infact, most get punished more severly overseas then they do in the states because they are tried by a militar court. Many military justices like to make examples of people in an overseas enviornment because they want to remind us we are embassadors of our country so many times the punishments are harsher than they would normally be. Not only that, the base populace also gets punished more severly in an overseas location when an event occurs.

[Capster78]

And to address your comment about our legal syste.. I think you need to spend some time overseas and see other legal systems and how they compare. Our legal system is lighyears ahead of just about anywhere I have been so far. Be happy you have the legal system you have in the states. You can look at cases where service members did go the host nations court system and get far less severe punishment then the military would have imposed. Several rape cases here in japan and korea only got 5 years in prison vs the 10-20+ years they would have gotten in a military or stateside court.

Many times in Japan if you commit a crime, as long as you fess up to the crime and make a public appology you are pardoned.

Other countries believe we have so much crime in the US because we have so many people behind bars. Why is that do you think? Could it possibly be because our legal system works? Why else would we have one of the largest crime rates in the world? Is it because we catch more crimes than most other countries do? I think so. Just because we have a lower crime rate on paper does not relate to reality. Our police just catch more criminals while in other countires, criminals get away more often.

[AroundTheWorld]

The US Forces stations all over the world. People of other countries have the same problem?
In Japan many rapes committed by GIs in the past. I think that the most of GIs are well trained and keep discipline, and their crime rate is very low. However, once it happens, it seems to be a very brutal crime like murder or rape.
I want to hear from US servicemen, what do you think about this stupid GI? Is he a disgrace to the US Forces?

Is he innocence about the rape and just kissing her?
If it's so, I say he is a stupid man again. this 38-year-old staff sergeant should know that it's a crime to take 14-year-old girl to his home. (Is it same in the US?)

"君子危うきに近寄らず" to both side.

Don't know if anyone has responded to this, yet, but my family is a military family. My brother is serving in Iraq right now. These incidents do happen, and it seems infrequent in Japanese prefectures, but the honest truth is that things like this happen on a monthly basis in Iraq.

War brings out the worst in people. I am hopeful that military service is not the same way.

[Jitenchakun]

In the overall picture it doesn't matter as I stated. This man had not even been tried yet, is he not innocent until proven guilty?

You're kidding, right? A fourteen-year-old girl crying about being raped, & a 38 year-old soldier claiming "I only got on top of her and kissed her"??

Its kinda like the case of the missing cake, with a little boy swearing he didn't eat it. "I only held it in front of my face & made 'eating' faces..":rolleyes:

Yes, try the man, but in my experience, the man is guilty as sin & should be executed.

[Capster78]

You're kidding, right? A fourteen-year-old girl crying about being raped, & a 38 year-old soldier claiming "I only got on top of her and kissed her"??

Its kinda like the case of the missing cake, with a little boy swearing he didn't eat it. "I only held it in front of my face & made 'eating' faces..":rolleyes:

Yes, try the man, but in my experience, the man is guilty as sin & should be executed.

I think its a bit harsh to call for an execution, but I do think he needs to be punished in some way.

[Jitenchakun]

I think its a bit harsh to call for an execution, but I do think he needs to be punished in some way.

You're right, of course, but it burns me up when people make such outrageous lies in order to cover up their bad behavior.

[mael]

You're right, of course, but it burns me up when people make such outrageous lies in order to cover up their bad behavior.

The news about these frequent rapes gets pretty thin once it leaves Okinawa.

If it was a Western rapist the pictures are all over the place for ages. Thus, I assume in this case the attacker was unlikely to be Western.

The Okinawa people say that they want the US troops out now, but if they can't do it immediately then at least remove the non-Western ones. (But they used slightly different verbiage).

Those poor people! So many young men so far from home! It's an accident waiting to happen. Like a slow-motion Nanking.

[Glenski]

The news about these frequent rapes gets pretty thin once it leaves Okinawa.
If it was a Western rapist the pictures are all over the place for ages. Thus, I assume in this case the attacker was unlikely to be Western.Well, you lose because of ASSuming.

What non-western troops are in Okinawa, by the way?[/QUOTE]

[KirinMan]

What non-western troops are in Okinawa, by the way?

Come on Glenski everyone knows the answer to that one....JEITAI:rolleyes:

[Dutch Baka]

posts deleted, did not find it necessary to make an off topic thread regarding african american, black person, black american, black skinned person.

Let's get back to the topic, I'm watching you ;). Have fun :D

[Proud Asian Kid]

On the same month a pinoy girl who WORK in Japan raped by an american in Okinawa too.

[Berry]

If this animal is guilty then he should promptly be taken out and executed. The girl should not have been out so late, and further more she should not have gotten into the car with that pig. Her parents should be given a fine for carelessness. The girl should have time taken off to recover from such an incident. My condolences to her and the family.