Tip in certain foreign country

[caster51]

Why is there a custom of the chip?

I think it is so sick..

[Dutch Baka]

I'm not if I understand what you mean....

Do you mean a tip you give a restaurant as a thanks of serving you? but that can't be sick.... so I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you be a little more clear.

[Glenski]

Tipping waitresses, waiters, and other people is done because their wages are so low.

What is so "sick" about it?

[caster51]

Tipping waitresses, waiters, and other people is done because their wages are so low

why their wages are so low?

Why do not add its price?

for example, it can add as taxi fee.

Why should I tip it to the room service?
it is their job.

[otoko]

why their wages are so low?
Why do not add its price?
for example, it can add as taxi fee.
Why should I tip it to the room service?
it is their job.

I compare tipping to being paid for performance. Good waiters get tipped better than poor waiters. It could be argued that getting a good tip is incentive to give good service.

Sure you could include the tip in the price, some places do that. I don't really think everybody should get paid the same if they perform at different levels.

Don't order room service then.

[caster51]

I compare tipping to being paid for performance. Good waiters get tipped better than poor waiters. It could be argued that getting a good tip is incentive to give good service


it is natural to do a good service.
It only has to complain to the owner if it is bad service.
I dont need a good service 。。what is a goof service for waiter
When I take the taxi, I do not request good service.
what is a good service?


I don't really think everybody should get paid the same if they perform at different levels.

You mean I dont need to pay tip when I felt bad.?
Naturally, the trouble might occur, too, if not tipping

I am so annoyed.

[kameron]

The guy in reservoir dogs made a good point, "why do you tip the waiter? the people working at McDonald's are earning far less, yet society says, 'no you can't tip those people, you can only tip these people'" or something along those lines.

In Australia it is unusual to give tips, but if I have a few extra dollars and I've had a few drinks then there's a chance that I'll shell something out (two dollars or so). People here are always very suprised when they receive a tip though.

[otoko]

it is natural to do a good service.
It only has to complain to the owner if it is bad service.
I dont need a good service 。。what is a goof service for waiter
When I take the taxi, I do not request good service.
what is a good service?
.
You mean I dont need to pay tip when I felt bad.?
Naturally, the trouble might occur, too, if not tipping
I am so annoyed.

Well then this becomes a debate about what good service is?
How about the difference between great service and good service? Should they be paid the same?

Looking at it from your perspective I can see your point. From the perspective of the person running the restaurant, tipping might be the best incentive for their waiters to work hard. Do you see this point?

Is working hard and well without incentive natural? I doubt it.
Bad service? Then don't tip, and don't go back.

We can get into a philisophical debate about this but that would take too much time. I say just deal with it. I have had to deal with alot of silly things in Japan.

You know if it was some kind of injustice sure I say fight it. But it is not.

[magevampjoe]

I was in Publix in America last summer. They wear badges saying not to tip them. Fine by me. They probably get paid well already.

But if someone works, say, in a buffet house, they stand around watching you waiting to see when you have finished your drink or something, ready to refill etc. This is good service, and they work hard to be good waiters or whatever. They are worth the tip.

Although you usually tip, you don't have to tip.
I usually tip when I'm not asked for a tip. We got that from the porter at the hotel; he finished then stuck his hand out. This is cheeky, and therefore I refused to tip him. However, in a buffet house I went to, the waiter guy didn't ask me for a tip, so I tipped him $10. I had to go and find him to give it, and he was very happy.

Some people are paid such low amounts that they rely on tips so they can eat that night.
Also, if you went into a resteraunt, and you didn't have to tip, the bill might come back as $50. In a resteraunt where you can tip, the bill can be $40 instead. Either way you might pay the tip. However, in an open-tip system (where you tip them seperate to the bill), you can choose $5 or $10 or even $1. Would you prefer them to automatically charge you the tip.

An analogy for you.
Would you prefer somebody to stick their fingers up behind your back, or in front of your face? They stick their fingers up behind your back; they charge tip without you knowing it, or in front of your face; you can choose to tip them, slap them or just ignore it and walk away without tipping.

The whole tipping system is complicated for many foreigners...


But I would suggest that you tip them; like I said, many people rely on that tip to eat later that night.

Joe

[Mycernius]

It's a culture thing. In the UK tipping is not that prevalent, but a service charge, usually 10%, is made on your bill. It is up to you whether you pay that extra 10% or not, although it is not always apparent on your bill. The service charge goes to all the waiters, not just yours. If I was in a pub and had a meal or food there I wouldn't tip, nor do many British people. I don't tip beyond the restaurant except for taxis. That is usually because I just don't want to arse about waiting for the man to find the change, or I'm a little drunk. You try leaving money behind when getting a drink in a pub. the barman will give it too you or, if you are away from the bar too quick, will come to your table and give you your change.
I found it is deeply ingrained in American and Canadian culture so much that even if you get bad service you will still tip! I was out with my cousin (Canadian) in Toronto once and we had bad service. When she asked us about the tip, me and the English girl I was with, said we weren't tipping him as he was a miserable git and not worth it. She was shocked and said that we could tip him in pennies. It was such a part of her upbringing that she couldn't bring herself not to tip, even for bad service. Her pennies, so do whant your wish with them. Although I once tipped a bad waiter in New York once. It was with an old 500 Zloty note (Polish currency, worth bugger all). Serves him right.

[MadamePapillon]

I usually tip waitresses and waiters...you usually find they are high school students or college students and often rely on tips to help pay their way through college or to save up for tuition fees. You can almost look at it as a public service.
And even with the older waitresses/waiters, they usually have kids at home they need to feed.

I've never once felt bad about tipping or thought of it as a bad thing, $10 isn't so much to pay when you consider that you are probably helping someone out a lot.

[nice gaijin]

You mean I dont need to pay tip when I felt bad.?
Naturally, the trouble might occur, too, if not tipping
I am so annoyed.
well, お通し annoys me. 500+ yen a head for some tiny appetizer I don't want? I can complain about customs I don't understand too.

I don't like tipping very much, but in countries where it's common practice, wages are set so low that people in the service industry RELY on their tips. You can choose not to tip, but you would be an enormous *** in doing so. If you had the experience of working in the service industry, you would understand the situation a bit better. My friends that have been waiters tip a minimum of 20%, and as much as 50% for good service. For extraordinarily bad service, they have tipped as little as a penny. Tipping a small amount (like less than 5%) is a good way to piss your server off, but it also sends them a message about the job they did.

Good service should be expected, but it is also to be rewarded; I don't like the assumption that tips are only an incentive, but they are a way of giving feedback to the serving staff. It's also important to note that at a restaurant, the serving staff will usually share their tips. You aren't just tipping your waiter or waitress, you're tipping the busboy, the cooks, and the dishwashers that are all probably severely underpaid.

[merevindur]

Caster,
In certain countries like Iceland it is considered impolite to tip the waiter or waitress there in a Restaurant. I found that quite interesting when I heard that.

[Glenski]

Anyone who says they do not need good service is lying and/or a troll.

Do not feed the troll here.

[caster51]

tipping is a kind of hidden extra fee or "shikataganai fee"

I say it it natural for me to do a good service.
If tippeng is necessary , plain service of Waiter would be just Ok for me.

Does the chipping custum make to wonderful service, either?
I doubt it
I think that it makes hostile relations.
The guest who doesn't give the chip becomes "Enemy" to plunder of service by free.

How about the difference between great service and good service? Should they be paid the same?

it might be as same as bribe....

Is working hard and well without incentive natural?
I think so. working is Fun. I just want to see the face with pleasure

well, お通し annoys me. 500+ yen a head for some tiny appetizer I don't want? I can complain about customs I don't understand too.

this is Surely a service fee

If you had the experience of working in the service industry, you would understand the situation a bit better.

there are many countries without such things...
Because the problem is different in a distribution method of the wealth?

[FrustratedDave]

Caster, why is it in Japan that when people go to dinner the oldest amongst peers or in a work place situation or the "部長, 課長, 社長" (Superior in a company) is obliged to pay the bill at the end of the night?
Answer that and I will answer why people are obliged to tip.

[nice gaijin]

Caster, why is it in Japan that when people go to dinner the oldest amongst peers or in a work place situation or the "部長, 課長, 社長" (Superior in a company) is obliged to pay the bill at the end of the night?
Answer that and I will answer why people are obliged to tip.
Is that a great mystery? I suppose it usually is, to the people who end up paying these things ;)

[FrustratedDave]

Is that a great mystery? I suppose it usually is, to the people who end up paying these things ;)
No it isn't a great mystery, but Caster will answer his own question if he can answer mine.

BTW, I am one of those who always has to foot the bill after dinner.:okashii:

[nice gaijin]

BTW, I am one of those who always has to foot the bill after dinner.:okashii:
yes, hence the second part of my post :)

[FrustratedDave]

yes, hence the second part of my post :)
I figured that what you were implying.:beer: But I didn't realise your first question was a rhetorical question, I understand now.:cool:

[nice gaijin]

here's a timely and relevant article that explains tipping in a variety of situations, as well as a rationale behind the practice:

http://www.justaguything.com/how-to-tip-like-a-gentleman/

[gaijinalways]

It's a culture thing. In the UK tipping is not that prevalent, but a service charge, usually 10%, is made on your bill. It is up to you whether you pay that extra 10% or not, although it is not always apparent on your bill.

Are you sure about that? I have never heard about someone refusing to pay the service charge on the bill. Also, some restaurants in the UK don't have this charge.

I found it is deeply ingrained in American and Canadian culture so much that even if you get bad service you will still tip!

I think it depends on the individual. Certainly if I feel the service is poor, I will probably ask to speak to the manager as well as not leave a tip. Of course, I also vote with my feet as I'm very unlikely to go to that restaurant again (depending on my outcome with the manager).

[hutchi]

regardless if it is common practice i find it arrogant to expect a tip. if it is an incentive to do well in your job then i do not think that people who do fail in their duties should expect tips form their patrons. i mean no offence to any one by this next comment, but i think this practice underlines the arrogance on the yanks, if the boss thinks that he can pay their workers so little and expect the best people for the job then they are mistaken, and then those who are working and offer a substandard service to expect a 10% tip on top of the bill.

[JimmySeal]

i mean no offence to any one by this next comment, but i think this practice underlines the arrogance on the yanks
Simply adding "no offense" to a sentence does not make it unoffensive.


Is it arrogant to expect a tip for good service, in a country where such things are customary?

[orochi]

regardless if it is common practice i find it arrogant to expect a tip. if it is an incentive to do well in your job then i do not think that people who do fail in their duties should expect tips form their patrons. i mean no offence to any one by this next comment, but i think this practice underlines the arrogance on the yanks, if the boss thinks that he can pay their workers so little and expect the best people for the job then they are mistaken, and then those who are working and offer a substandard service to expect a 10% tip on top of the bill.

Did you mean to post this elsewhere? It has nothing to do with the topic.

[GodEmperorLeto]

Part of it is certainly cultural. In a nation like the U.S., politeness is not so strong a social more like it is in Japan. While there are advantages to this, there are also drawbacks, like being treated like absolute crap if you have a service-industry job (like a server at a restraunt). While this doesn't give the server the right or ability to perform poor service, he/she may provide adequate and nothing more. Tipping shows appreciation for service and encourages better service in the future.

It is a two-way relationship. If they perform excellent service (i.e. drinks are always full, helpful, friendly attitude, etc.) and you tip them well, they will want to serve you again. This is how you can make friends with bartenders and waiters/waitresses. Making friends will also earn you perks, such as the occasional free drink or free appetizer.

It isn't easy for me to visit places where there is no tipping. For me, it is a way to show appreciation. I want to tip good service, not because it is an insult, but because I want the server to feel appreciated and encourage them to keep working hard. Indeed, in some places, a good server can earn much, much, much more through tips than they could at some other jobs. Good bartenders and waiters/waitresses can bring home a few hundred dollars a night Thursday, Friday, and Saturday in a college/university town. We even have tip jars next to cash registers to tip workers at coffee shops and other stores, so you can drop your spare coins there if you don't need them or don't want them jangling in your pocket.

regardless if it is common practice i find it arrogant to expect a tip. if it is an incentive to do well in your job then i do not think that people who do fail in their duties should expect tips form their patrons.
They shouldn't, and they usually don't get one.

i mean no offence to any one by this next comment, but i think this practice underlines the arrogance on the yanks, if the boss thinks that he can pay their workers so little and expect the best people for the job then they are mistaken, and then those who are working and offer a substandard service to expect a 10% tip on top of the bill.
Wow, we are being mightily culturally relative today aren't we? </sarcasm>

The practice of tipping means we can pay $5.00 for a sandwich instead of $10.00. It's that simple. Instead of giving money to the boss, who then plays middle-man, we give it directly to the server, and they end up getting more money that way, especially if they are good. And thanks for calling me arrogant. Have a nice day.

[gaijinalways]

It's interesting how tips are used. Even in Japan, people will sometimes tip. For example at a ryokan, my wife normally tips the maid who comes in and sets up your futon and often might alo set up dinner for you. She leaves a tip on the last day.

She once gave a tip to a taxi driver. It was like this, I went above at a temple with my parents, and my wife said she was going to drive up and meet us there o my parents didn't have to walk back. Unfortunately, I left my cellphone in the rental car. For some reason, my wife had a problem unlocking the steering column, so she couldn't start the car. Finally I returned, and my wife had called the rental car company and asked a taxi driver to try and help her. She gave 1000 yen to the taxi driver for his help (which turned out to be not much help)!

I gave one tug on the steering wheel, the steering column was unlocked, and the car started right up.

[nice gaijin]

I tipped a cabbie in Japan once. My friend was wasted and throwing up into a bag behind the driver the whole half-hour ride home. I had to force the tip into her hand, and rationalized it as payment for the bag.