Korea driving export of "Comfort woman" again

[Astroboy]

According to Korean Yonhapnews, Korean women have increasingly been heading for Japanese market to work as "Comfort woman".

The research said there are some 40,000 - 60,000 Koreans illegally living in Japan, in which comfort woman will account for more than half or some 30,000 heads. In addition, some Young Korean men work in host club illegally as well. Working locations of Korean comfort women/men are spreading across Japan, not only Akasaka, Shinjuku and Ginza of Tokyo, but also Osaka and Kobe.... the report said.

http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2007/03/27/0200000000AKR20070326169700006.HTML
Well... I personally welcome Korean woman, but being subject to valid work visa. :relief:

[Astroboy]

Hankyoreh Investigates Korean Women in Japanese Prostitution

Ordinary housewives and college students are gathering in Japan — so that they can make money prostituting themselves. In dark corners of Japan, where the Korean Wave flows so strongly, Korean women permeate the prostitution industry. There are all kinds of associated human rights violations and other crimes including passport forgery, illegal immigration, and human trafficking. In two fact-finding expeditions to Japan The Hankyoreh has uncovered the true state of prostitution there....
http://imgnews.naver.com/image/028/2007/11/20/04669128_20071120.JPG

http://koreabeat.com/?p=535
http://news.naver.com/hotissue/ranking_read.php?date=20071120§ion_id=102&ranking_type=popular_day&office_id=028&article_id=0000220617&seq=1

Welcome to Japan! but don't forget to obtain valid visa as Comfort woman before entering Japan.

[tokapi]

Any photos or promo posters of S Korean men employed in Japan's " hostos " bars ??

[Astroboy]

Because Korean Hosto Clubs usually emply illegal stays, photos are not common. But below is the photo that Korean men prepare themselves for working overseas as ***, the report said.
http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/27/0000292127/65/imgb8c83103zikezj.jpeg
http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/marinhpp/diary/200705290000/

[Astroboy]

Korean Delivery Herusu has become topical among Japanese

http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/o/m/o/omotopi/2008y01m30d_101944328s.jpg

One of good examples:
Korean Kunoichi Club http://www.kunoichik.com/index.html (adults only)
I don't know why they all look the same.....and quite different from protopyte of Korean comfort woman. But let's never mind.

[Goldiegirl]

What's the point. Japanese men want to pay for sex?

[nice gaijin]

There's a "comfort women" visa?

I guess I'm also missing the point here.

[Chi65]

Haha, they are now rivaling Japan's own numerous comfort people, thats indeed funny, if anything.
Are the Koreans cheaper, btw?
Then the according japanese schoolkids etc. may have to look for other sidejobs...
I wonder, whats left in the end.

[dreamer]

Afaik there's been an outburst in many western EU countries over the last decade...but errr...are we really talking about the topic which official name starts by "pro..." ?

If that's the case, I still cannot understand why someone would want to pay for that...

[Astroboy]

There's a "comfort women" visa?

I guess I'm also missing the point here.

As far as I know, "entertainer" visa is possible, but prostitution is "officially" prohibited. :blush:

[Astroboy]

The International Korean Dating Site "KoreanCupid.com" has been launched.

http://www.koreancupid.com/?ovchn=GGL&ovcpn=English+Japan+Korean+Women&ovcrn=south+korea+woman&ovtac=PPC&gclid=CIW22MjZ8pECFRMjbwodQjEVyA

Dating..... only???

[Astroboy]

Haha, they are now rivaling Japan's own numerous comfort people, thats indeed funny, if anything.
Are the Koreans cheaper, btw?
Then the according japanese schoolkids etc. may have to look for other sidejobs...
I wonder, whats left in the end.

I don't know the details about price comparison. Sorry that I cannot help you in such a field.

[Astroboy]

Trafficking of North Korean Women

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) is a source country for men, women and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor, and for the fifth consecutive year has been placed in Tier 3, the lowest tier, in our annual Trafficking in Persons Report because it is making no discernible efforts to combat the trafficking of its citizens.
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/rm/2008/101674.htm

Similarity between South and North, but South women tend to go to Japan, and North women go to China.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

As far as I know, "entertainer" visa is possible, but prostitution is "officially" prohibited. :blush:

After March 1, 2006,
The Japanese government does not need a visa to a Korean for 90 days.
This is a cause of a problem.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/02.html#b

[tokapi]

but South women tend to go to Japan, and North women go to China.



Ahem .. It seems some of them enroute to Japan as final destination :bluush:


* The surprising thing about Yoon is where she came from : North Korea.

She’s one of an estimated 1,000 North Koreans who have escaped their country and ended up living in Japan, Weekly Playboy says. Like Yoon, nearly all are female and work in the sex industry, according to the magazine’s source, a documentary filmmaker from South Korea, whose name is undisclosed.

How do they manage to flee the world’s most secretive country and end up here? Apparently through a long and complicated journey.

“Most of them first go to China and then they move on to third countries because the Chinese authorities are strict these days,” the source explains


Source: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3956

[Astroboy]

According to http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/south_korea

South Korean women and girls are trafficked for commercial sexual exploitation in the United States, Japan, Hong Kong, Guam, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Western Europe. A small number of migrants seeking economic opportunities abroad are believed to be trafficking victims.

I thought South Korea is one of OECD countries, but a source of sex slave at the same time. The above quote may indicate Sex Slave is one of Korean traditions.

It's not a question of good or bad, but tradition. Maybe.

[Goldiegirl]

Sex is the oldest "tradition".

[Astroboy]

Sex is the oldest "tradition".

True, and there are many sex business in Japan, USA, Europe and all in the world. And usually women or girls of poor countries have often been trafficked and sent abroad for such business. Poor North Korean women must be the typical case for this.

However, what I really don't understand is the case of South Korean women.

I have never heard about Japanese prostitutes in overseas, and American prostitutes in Japan. But I often heard South Korean prostitutes in Japan, USA, etc. South Korea is not a poor country, and women do not need to go abroad to sell sex theoretically.... What is behind the scene?

[Goldiegirl]

I think Japanese woman aren't getting paid....they like to "date" foreign men. I am always amazed at seeing a gorgeous Japanese lady, with a dorky foreinger...what the heck. And don't Japanese young ladies get paid to "date" older men and instead of money they get paid in Louis Vuiton? I don't think Koreans have the market on prostitution.

so everyone here who is not Japanese and married or dating a Japanese woman, I am not saying you are dorky! It's just what I saw in Tokyo...

[Astroboy]

I think Japanese woman aren't getting paid....they like to "date" foreign men. I am always amazed at seeing a gorgeous Japanese lady, with a dorky foreinger...what the heck. And don't Japanese young ladies get paid to "date" older men and instead of money they get paid in Louis Vuiton? I don't think Koreans have the market on prostitution.


Yeah. I heard such stories. Some Japanese girls tend to play with foreign men. According to them, Japanese girls may find something different from conventional Japanese men.

In the meanwhile, are there any news about Japanese prostitutes in USA? I am interested in comfort women comparison between Japanese vs Korean in the USA (third country).

[Goldiegirl]

There are prostitutes of all kinds here, men, women, all nationalities. Most, though are crack addicts looking to support their addiction. It's disgusting. In Nevada there are legal brothels. I don't know much about them other than they are regulated and the women tested routinely for sexually transmitted diseases and they have to be licensed. I have been told, that the guys can "request" the type of woman they want...white, asian, black, along with hair color, body type.

[dreamer]

Well... in France it's supposedly forbidden but I remember once when me and my friend were driving back from our university (which was a few 70 miles from Paris). We went through a forest with lot of these very young girls with tons of makeup...gave me the creeps...

Still...is this phenomenon so common in Japan? oO

[tokapi]

[QUOTE=Astroboy;563431]

Yeah. I heard such stories. Some Japanese girls tend to play with foreign men.


[QUOTE]


Here is one publicized case in Japan,1980's Burikko pop singer sensation Seiko Matsuda 松田聖子& her handsome young Jeff-kun ( ジェフ君 ) ... :blush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHbf_i7DVg&feature=related

http://www.japan-zone.com/modern/matsuda_seiko.shtml

[made of stone]

Quite apart from the question of whether or not it's in acceptable taste for the OP to refer to these ladies as 'comfort women', shouldn't this thread be titled 'Japanese demand for sexual services driving import of (insert term of choice here)'?

I must stress that I'm making or offering no judgement whatsoever about prostitution, Japan, or anything else by making this point. As Goldie san suggests, prostitution in some form has always been, and will always be. The fact of the matter here is that demand within Japan for these services makes it economically-lucrative to bring girls in from abroad.

As to why the girls work in Japan rather than South Korea well, for those that choose that path (and it is not all of them by any means, it stands to reason) it's pretty obvious that they can make a lot of money in Japan compared to at home for the same work (as with any 'profession'). It's a simple case of salary combined with exchange rates that's attractive to those that choose.

As for Japanese girls selling their bodies abroad: I know personally of one such case, a friend. It's a tragic story. An ex-colleague from a language school in Japan had a parallel life that was absolutely unsuspected by many of us. She went to live abroad, and later the truth came out; that this girl we all very much cared for -an incredible girl, in many ways, a bright star in the sky of life - had long worked the 'night shift' alongside the day job we all knew her for, and respected her so much for.

The possible cause behind her behaviour? She was sexually abused from a very young age by a family member, and had come to see being used by men as part of her very life essence...

[Mars Man]

Looking over this thread again, and not with any efforts to single anyone out here, at all, I have noticed a bend from the general parameters of the OP.

However, I do understand the reason for that; the OP is very limited in scope, and unless one were to go out and do some 'hit the street'-like research along with the 'crack the books and resource logs, and stat sheets'-like research, one would not be able to have much input here other the obvious--that prostitution exists; that a number of girls are coming from Korea to earn money by that service (as MOS touched on, most likely some by choice, and some not so much so, others maybe not at all) to Japan.

That's it. What else can be said? Any intention to relate the present state with that of other events in history--to whatever degree is known of them--is very likely 'strawman' of an argument. Let's keep it on the present, and on the Korea-Japan relationship level.

[made of stone]

Looking over this thread again, and not with any efforts to single anyone out here, at all, I have noticed a bend from the general parameters of the OP.

I think that's often the way with internet forums in general, and similarly with threads (of course). And, intrinsically there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that - an OP will often have an idea of how to provoke constructive argument at a later date already in mind; only holding it back initially so as to not, so to speak, 'lay all his or her cards on the table'.

IMVHO, the question here is whether or not the OP had an axe to grind - a premeditated, negative line of though, against Koreans in this case. Both the thread title and the pushing of the argument in certain directions seem to suggest that, but I make no assumption - it's just my feeling.

That's it. What else can be said?

Not much!! Imo, this thread could have been opened by a post saying 'some Korean girls/ladies come to japan to work in the sex industries' and then closed immediately (not that I'm at all in favour of closing threads - but just that that's all that needs to be said on the topic, really!!)

Any intention to relate the present state with that of other events in history--to whatever degree is known of them--is very likely 'strawman' of an argument.

Then shouldn't the thread be retitled entirely, as 'unproven' or 'not even very well argued for or defended'? (It's quite possibly offensive or misleading in my book as well, but that may be just me, and I look forward to the OP coming back to me on that.)

[brave_new_world]

According to Korean Yonhapnews, Korean women have increasingly been heading for Japanese market to work as "Comfort woman".
The research said there are some 40,000 - 60,000 Koreans illegally living in Japan, in which comfort woman will account for more than half or some 30,000 heads. In addition, some Young Korean men work in host club illegally as well. Working locations of Korean comfort women/men are spreading across Japan, not only Akasaka, Shinjuku and Ginza of Tokyo, but also Osaka and Kobe.... the report said.
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2007/03/27/0200000000AKR20070326169700006.HTML
Well... I personally welcome Korean woman, but being subject to valid work visa. :relief:

Why do you keep posting trolls?
I see no point of your thread.

By the way, when I was in Australia, I saw many Japanese students illegally working as call girls as well. There are many Asian girls, including Japanese girls, sell their bodies to white people.

[Astroboy]

N. K. girls flourish in pink trade
Yoon, a feisty 32-year-old Korean woman with a strong entrepreneurial spirit, is happy to be living and working in her newly adopted home of Japan.
Within months of settling here, she set up her own business, a Korean-style massage parlor, which she runs out of her Tokyo condominium. She says she employs several other Korean women, who perform massage of a decidedly sexual nature.
"The job is tough, but it's a lot of fun," Yoon laughs.
As a Korean living in Japan, Yoon (a pseudonym) is hardly unique. Over half a million ethnic Koreans reside here. The surprising thing about Yoon is where she came from ― North Korea.
She's one of an estimated 1,000 North Koreans who have escaped their country and ended up living in Japan, Weekly Playboy says. Like Yoon, nearly all are female and work in the sex industry, according to the magazine's source, a documentary filmmaker from South Korea, whose name is undisclosed. .............
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/fd20080302t3.html

[Goldiegirl]

It doesn't say a lot for the men who are using these poor North Korean women. Sad that a country would use people who have been victimized, only to do the same.

[Mars Man]

The point of the thread was to share some news item, per se, and to seemingly (supported by internal and locative evidence) associate the matter with other matters of a historical nature. As for the OP, and that news item, and what might be needed in order post further material content here, see my post number 25 on page one. All that virtually can be said for now, has been said--unless that extra study and research were done.

Just as I was closing down to go to work this afternoon, I happened to catch brave_new_world's post, and almost instantly felt as though the thread should be closed--but no time to do it. I apologize for that, and with this, I will close this thread.

For those who wish to discuss the matter of prostitution, there is one thread in the Serious Discussion area on the topic of whether prostitution should be legalized (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36411); or one can open a general thead on the subject if one wishes--a well thought out and supported OP is a strong thing suggested to have beforehand.