Should Japan Be On The UN Security Council

[TuskCracker]

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question: Should Japan Be On The UN Security Council

My answer, it is long overdue. Economy 2nd strongest in the world. Look at France, what do they make ? Yet their on the UN Security Council.

Maybe why they are not on the Security Council, they don't really want to be. Too much responsibility (military issues and such). Security Council resolutions can be pretty hot-potatoe issues. Especially the Middle East. A lot of oil from the Middle East goes to Japan. Can upset some pretty oil rich countries vetoing or abstaining from votes on Israel. Just my opinion

[hotaruika]

Maybe USA wish that an allied power Japan will Join The UN Security Council.
but communism China and Russia dont wish it neither.
I think the UN Security Council can't make a contribution to EAST ASIA Safety.
becouse Ｃｈｉｎａ and russia can exercise the veto for ｔｈｅｍ forces　and dependencis.

[Numero Deux]

I've always thought Japan should be on the UN security council. They'd be a breath of fresh air compared to the current five, as Japan seems to be far less of a warmonger. Also Germany should be considered.

As for France, the current five are all on the council as they pretty much *won* WWII (yes, even France) and are technically the only nations supposed to be allowed to posses nuclear arms.

[theAlphaDuck]

2 things the 5 PERMANENT members of the security council have is:

1. all country's own a serios amount of hardware...and could if the other members didn't interfere quite easily take over the world...ALL are nuclear powers...and have some of the top military assets at thier disposal...Japan while it has a big economy has no nukes and no REAL army...Permanent security council members have to have the ability to get things done and comand respect...and that ultimatly comes down to being able to put a significant military presence on the ground....
ALL Permanent security council members have the ability to commit to millitary action on a global scale in a 24 hour timeframe.

2. the Permanent members of the security council are the Allies....there IS a reason that Germany, Japan, and Italy are not on it....

however just because Japan is not on the Permanent security council does not bar it from sitting on the security council...wich involves 15 member states

[orochi]

They need to clean up their human rights problems first.

[Astroboy]

From a Japanese perspective, UN Security Council is not my interest as UN itself does not work out today. UN is already dominated by many strange countries, and cannot make decision at all. It is useless.

Plus, member of UN Security Council consists of mass-murder countries.

USA = needless to say....causing seamless wars and the world leader of inhuman acts, even today.
Russia = better than USA, but similar.
China = ongoing genocide in Tibet, Uighur, etc.
FRance = Dark history champion in Africa, typically Rwanda genocide
UK = always behind USA....

Japan should keep distance from those genocide club. :wave:

[senseiman]

They need to clean up their human rights problems first.

Japan's human rights record is light years ahead of China's and Russia's.

I think Japan does deserve a permanent seat on the UNSC, along with India and Germany.

Realistically this isn't going to happen. They have enough trouble getting 5 countries to agree, add in more and things just get more complicated. It would be easier if every country didn't have a veto of course.

WW2 is ancient history by now. Saying that Japan should be kept off the UNSC because of WW2 today makes about as much sense as if somebody had argued that the US shouldn't be allowed a seat in 1945 because of atrocities committed by US cavalry troops against native Americans in the 1870s. At some point you have to be able to move on.

[theAlphaDuck]

[QUOTE=Astroboy;591214]
Russia = better than USA, but similar.

UK = always behind USA....
QUOTE]

so very very wrong.

russia killed millions...and millions...they actually make the nazis look like quite nice guys...while they killed 9million odd people...russia is well into double digits...almost into triple digits!!!

as for your comments on the UK

think what you will mate...think what you will ;)

[Astroboy]

russia killed millions...and millions...they actually make the nazis look like quite nice guys...while they killed 9million odd people...russia is well into double digits...almost into triple digits!!!
Agree. Genocide of own people. But not about other people.
as for your comments on the UK
think what you will mate...think what you will ;) Carry on. :blush:
Either way, permanent members of UN security council = genocide club.

[Hezam]

Japan shouldnt be on the UN...
as you know these 5 countries have a very dark past and present..
-USA,they still killing many Arabs and Muslims in many countries..so no need for explaining.
-Russa,you know how much people were killed by russa in the 2nd world war and how many muslims were killed by russa in many Islamic countries and other occupied countries.
-China,as Astro boy said,china has a black hand in west Turkistan ( uyghur ) and tibet..
-France,they killed million Algerian or so and many many Arabs in Egypt and other countries in Africa..
-UK,not far ..it's the other hand of America...they killed many peoples around the world and they made something calls Israel ( i think it's better if israel join the UN instead Japan ).

we dont want Japan to side with these bad countries,Japan is an ideal country...
japan is a victim like us and like many countries in Africa and Asia ( Somalia,Vietnam..etc ) so keep your hands white Japan ....

[theAlphaDuck]

[QUOTE=Hezam;592071]
-UK,not far ..it's the other hand of America...they killed many peoples around the world and they made something calls Israel
QUOTE]

oh shut your mouth!

im SO SICK AND TIRED of soap box arabs having a go at the UK for isreal...

little history lesson for you.

britain had control of palistine.... we gave ownership of it to the palistinian people..

then after WW2 the jews came along and after almost getting wiped out decided that they wanted their "holy land" and started to swamp it.

the UK actually offered the jews uganda. (because palastine was already promised to the palistinians in return for help dealing with the ottoman empire)

however the jews did not want uganda and started to flood isreal...they took the land by force...and started to attack the british soldiers who were stationed in isreal and tried to protect the palistinians....

on the home front the papers started printing stories about british soldiers dying in far off lands that we didnt (and still dont) care about.

seeing as there was now supposed to be peace.....
and the options were either loose loads more soldiers,
kill all the jews
or pull out....
we decided to pull out....

and the question i ask....

is when all this was happening where were the arabs?

where was your support for these palistinian brothers you love so much?

it was no where. because you were all to busy being greedy and trying to dig up as much oil and make as much profit in the new found global stability as possible....

you didnt give a flying fart about your poor palistinian brothers.....
and you still dont....
if the arab world had put as much effort into helping palistine as it did in the stupid and pointless jihad BS (and by the way in the ancient summarian version of the qoran its grapes...not virgins)

and still you do nothing for them....
your shekes drive around in fast cars and stay at 6 stgar hotels while in palistine people starve.....and when they dont its because people in europe have given them aid...

so sbhut your dumb beligerent goat herding mouth....

you have no right to talk of palistine....because what have you done for them?
the arab world could long ago have made palistine solid.....but you did not...
turn off oil until palastinian secirity is assured by USA and it would have happened in a day....but then you would have lost lots of money!

so dont try to blame the UK for a situation that was caused by your own selfishness, narrow sighted greed and idiocy....

cos at the end of the day it didnt happen on OUR border...
it happened on YOUR border....

you can bet your arse when someone tries to mess around in OUR back yard we get involved.....infact last time we did it was called WW2..

so go figure....****

[Hezam]

Uganda hah ? that makes me laugh alittle bit.do you really think that the people will belive this fake story?
this problem ( israel ) was created by UK and while the jews building israel All arabs were busy with the UK colonialism on the Arabic world as you know man <<
dont forget that.how can Arabs help the palistinian people while the UK occupys their lands ?????

and now if we support the palistinian with money you always say that we support the terror !!!! and if we go to Jihad you say we are terrorists ?

so can you explain that instead saying some impudent words you boy....

[theAlphaDuck]

Uganda hah ? that makes me laugh alittle bit.do you really think that the people will belive this fake story?
this problem ( israel ) was created by UK and while the jews building israel All arabs were busy with the UK colonialism on the Arabic world as you know man <<
dont forget that.how can Arabs help the palistinian people while the UK occupys their lands ?????
and now if we support the palistinian with money you always say that we support the terror !!!! and if we go to Jihad you say we are terrorists ?
so can you explain that instead saying some impudent words you boy....


ok then mustafa...

firstly that story is NO FAKE.....
fair enough we kinda left the palistinians in the lurch.....but we had no agreement to protect thier land.
but where were you?
getting colonsied?
or finilizing the final parts of the OPEC treaty?
and if we colonised you then how come you got to keep all the money?
brittain has been colonising stuff from a pretty long time by then, so i dont think we would have made the rookie mistake of letting you keep the money!

tell me what stops your country...which is wealthy and invests billions in europe and western markets....sending in some builders to build new roads, schools ect.
why is most of the aid provided to palistine from france?

yet saddam hussain in his time paid $25,000 to the family of every suicide bomber.....

but i cant get mad at you...

you have clearly been indoctrinated from a young age to hate the west...
what ever mate...
we stand for freedom, justice, freedom of speech and expression, and equality for all....

and you know what that scares some people.....
so they teach their children fictitios bedtime stories...

YES the jews were promised Uganda...(why they didnt take it i cant understand)
as for the uk colonising the arab world after WW2...

erm learn history.....
after saving the world for the second time in some 25 years the uk economy was nothing!
we only survived cos the US gave us lots and lots of money...which we only managed to finish paying back a few years ago!

brittain lost troops and equipment fighting for the palastinians.....
dead soldiers for a foreighn cause.....tell me how many soldiers has saudi lost in palastine....whats that?

none you say.....your poeple left the palistinians to ROT!
sending in bombs and weapons instead of real help.
you did nothing for them.....
and you still do nothing for them....

go bacj to school...learn history...and be ashamed of the fact that the country that gives the most aid to palistine is France!

fool

[Hezam]

i know we are off topic,if you want to explain to the others you can go to the right section...
we stand for freedom, justice, freedom of speech and expression, and equality for all.... these words make me sick.enough lie...

[theAlphaDuck]

i can go into the most holy church in the land and proclaim that jesus was a charlotan and god does not exist...
or better yet that i AM the son of god/prophet/vending machine repairman

i can freely walk into the houses of parliment and say to the politicians faces that i disaprove of them....

tell me what would happen if you did that in your country?

hmm beheding....

yes keep it on topic.

should japan be on the un security council...
and by that the permanent security council is meant....

well i think it is not possible until japan is willing to play its part. form an army, and get out of the neutral zone.

[Pachipro]

As long as Japan kowtows to US demands and does everything the US asks of them, both politically and economically, as they have done for the past 30 years, and as long as they continue to bow down to US demands that they abide by their US written constitution and allow the US to "protect" them they do not need to be on the UN security council as they are just a clone of the US and thus, there is no need for them to be there.

[TuskCracker]

some good answers, i still think the 2nd largest economy in the world should be on the UN Security Council

[theAlphaDuck]

hmmm thing is Japan won't be 2nd largest economy for very long,

infact unless Japan either gets down to some SERIOS breeding, (unlikely)
or radically opens its borders and amends its immigration policy (hmmm even less likely)

then the fact that Japan has one of the longest life expectancies in the world, coupled with the lowest birth rate in the world...means that unless something changes in about 30 years japan will be nothing more than a foot note in history.

tho as japanese love tradition so much...perhaps they COULD save thier economy by reverting back to the tradition of taking the old people up a montain and then leaving them there to die :-P

[Dogen Z]

...perhaps they COULD save thier economy by reverting back to the tradition of taking the old people up a montain and then leaving them there to die :-P

Since Japan has a tradition of revering old people, your understanding of Japanese culture/history is completely off track.

Off topic: Admit it, you don't know anything about Japan. What is your perverse interest interest in Japan anyway?　:okashii: If it was a girl, your best revenge is living a good life. Just let it go...get on with your live in England...there are many other things directly affecting your life to worry about.

Back on topic: IMO, Japan should not try to attain such a high role in world events. It should just go with the flow and quietly become the Switzerland of Asia (small but rich) and reduce its role in the U.N. This would be much better for the citizenry. After all, it doesn't have an offensive military so it cannot project its power beyond its border. And Bush showed that the U.N. is not that effective anyway. It's irrelevant when the big boys want to do something against the collective wishes.

I say, let China take the dominant role in Asia but don't let it push you around--build your military--and get some nukes.

[theAlphaDuck]

am i in the wrong...or are you...

according to this quote:

"Elderly ancient Japanese "retreated to a mountain- top"; in fact the practice was for the elderly (defined as such by the loss of all teeth) to jump from the rim of a volcano for the greater good. But did the elderly Japanese jump or were they pushed! More subtly, did they indeed "choose" to jump but only because of an irresistible cultural push! "

it is you in the wrong and unaware of your own history...(dont worry thats quite common...your not alone!)

a Peverse interst in Japan....well ive been called a pervert before (a charge i won't ever try to deny :-P )

perhaps you find my views 'Grating' because i am not in awe of japan...and automatically think everything in japan is cool.
(though the 3d hologram machine is beyond cool, even if it is only in one colour and roughly the size of a room!)

so it really is from an objective angle...

as for staying quiet and being neutral...that is not really an option for japan. as long as it has the US asia launchpad on its soil....
it would be good if JAPAN were to take a stronger lead in world affairs...

tho in Japans immediate interests should be closer relationships with china,
Apologise unreservidly for it actions in the past.
Pay some pennies in compensation to those worst effected.
and not have your PM visit a war shrine which honours war criminals for a start!

[Pachipro]

I would like to really add something here as to why Japan will NOT be a leader in Asia anymore, much as the US will NOT be a leader in the western world in the not too distant future, but I do not have the time right now. Suffice it to say, for your own information, I suggest anyone that cares or is interested in it, start with looking up the Trilateral Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission) and following some of the links on Google. That will give you a start. The baton has now been taken away from Japan, which had it throughout the 70's (when it was first taken away from America with the demise of the steel industries) and 80's and most of the 90's till the "crash" and handed over to China, and Japan, following the tugging of the leash of the US, follows with no questions asked and the Japanese people are left asking, "WTF?" As America got screwed so is Japan feeling the same screwing today.

As much as many believe they should be on the Security Council, and I do agree it makes sense for the world's second largest economy to be on it, it will never, ever happen because Japan does not possess nuclear weapons and "they" will not allow it to happen. If Japan "grew a pair" and developed their own peaceful nuclear program it could happen, but I believe it is too late for that. Japan has sold their soul.

[bammbamm&pebbles]

"Elderly ancient Japanese " retreated to a mountain- top "; in fact the practice was for the elderly (defined as such by the loss of all teeth) to jump from the rim of a volcano for the greater good. But did the elderly Japanese jump or were they pushed! More subtly, did they indeed "choose" to jump but only because of an irresistible cultural push! "



The Ballad of Narayama ( 楢山節考 ) is a 1983 Japanese film by director Shohei Imamura.

According to tradition, once a person reaches the age of 70 he or she must travel to a remote mountain to die of starvation, a practice known as Ubasuteyama ( 姥捨て山 ).The story concerns Orin, who is 69 and of sound health, but notes that a neighbor had to drag his father to the mountain, so she resolves to avoid clinging to life beyond her term.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Narayama_

Ubasuteyama was a practice formerly performed in Japan, whereby an infirm or elderly relative was carried to a mountain, or some other remote, desolate place, and left there to die, either by dehydration, starvation, or exposure. The practice was most common during times of drought and famine, and was sometimes mandated by feudal officials.

Ubasuteyama has left its mark on Japanese folklore, where it forms the basis of many legends, poems, and koans. In one Buddhist allegory, a son carries his mother up a mountain on his back.

A poem commemorates the story:

In the depths of the mountains,
Who was it for the aged mother snapped
One twig after another?
Heedless of herself
She did so
For the sake of her son

[EmperorHirohito]

I cannot see Japan being made a permanant member of the Security council, the reason is quite simple, China and Russia would use their powers of Veto too block any attempt.

Sad but true.

[Hezam]

I cannot see Japan being made a permanant member of the Security council, the reason is quite simple, China and Russia would use their powers of Veto too block any attempt.
Sad but true.
well if we suppose that i think it's a wise decision.not like Bush who decides wrong while he know that he is wrong !
why does somepeople wants to involve Japan with thier problems ?

[Dogen Z]

[To AD, well, it sounds like a medieval practice--your folks might have had something similar. I doubt it was widespread--maybe a kind of urban legend from olden times. Anyway, proposing this as a modern day solution is perverse and childish.]
Back on topic: I still don't understand why Japan wants a seat on the Security Council so badly. Is it just for stature? Like having a Louis Vuitton bag? Forget the UN and lose article 9. Other countries, including my country, the U.S., are taking advantage of Japan because of article 9.

[theAlphaDuck]

buuuuuuuuh.....
sententences ending with: :-P ...are usually not to be taken seriosly....

[bammbamm&pebbles]

Back on topic: I still don't understand why Japan wants a seat on the Security Council so badly. Is it just for stature?



Reinhard Drifte examined this issue in great lengths,author of Japan's Quest for a Permanent Security Council Seat: A Matter of Pride or Justice.

[Astroboy]

Should Japan Be On The UN Security Council => No thank you.
Instead, Japan should reduce the donation to UN.

UN is useless. Thus, donation is waste of money. Japan shouldn't take any responsibility and reduce the donation to the same level as Germany (non-member of security council) or China (so-called Asian superpower). NO money No responsibility is the principle, but today's UN is donimated by Little Money but Lots of privilege. Plus UN does not allow Taiwan to be a member, while it is perfectly sovereign nation. UN is the world's most cradiction, isn't it?

Main donators to the UN budget, 2006
Member state Contribution
(% of UN budget)
United States 22.00%
Japan 16.624%
Germany 8.66%
United Kingdom 6.13%
France 6.03%
Italy 4.89%
Canada 2.81%
China 2.667%
Spain 2.52%
Mexico 1.88%
Australia 1.59%
Brazil 1.52%
Other member states 22.679%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations#cite_note-unbudget-34

[grapefruit]

I don't think the UN is totally useless but surely needs change.
Can anybody explain the function of the Security Council? What's wrong with assigning all the voting activities to the general assembly? What's the importance of the vetoing process to those 187 countries without this privilege?

[Astroboy]

I don't think the UN is totally useless but surely needs change.
Can anybody explain the function of the Security Council? What's wrong with assigning all the voting activities to the general assembly? What's the importance of the vetoing process to those 187 countries without this privilege?

UN Secretary-General is Korean, but South Korean government does not pay donation. --- I think it is the symbolic problem of UN. Everybody is demanding without executing responsibility. :blush:

[Hezam]

Japanese Gov should take care of the Japanese People instead of wasting his money for the silly UN.Japanese people should be rich like Americans.
the same can go on the Arabic Govs.