Japanese SDF not to go to Afghanistan

[Astroboy]

:smoke:Due to the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan, Japan has given up the idea of dispatching Self-Defense Forces elements to help the Central Asia state's reconstruction efforts, senior government officials and lawmakers said Friday.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20080719a1.html

I'm happy to know that Japanese Military Force (so-called Self Defense Force) will not be deployed to the Afghanistan becfause:

1. Afghan War has changed from War against Terror to the War vs Afghan
people - blurred boundary between terrorists and ordinary people.
2. US-led NATO army has been stuck there, and no sign of improvement.
3. The War has increasingly looked like a conflict of all West vs Islam.

Japan better keep distance from them. :smoke:

[Astroboy]

Coalition 'bombs Afghan police'
At least 13 Afghan police and civilians have died in two incidents involving international forces, officials say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7515915.stm
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44847000/jpg/_44847372_c5a86a70-2283-439e-a6d7-3201d82d51e9.jpg
International forces have been involved in a series of controversies.

Usually Europeans are Pro-human right & Anti-Whaling, but it is obvious that lives of Afghans are less interested as any anti-war demonstration is not seen in London, Paris, Berlin and San Francisco. Probably more innocent Afghan citizens will be killed by Coalition forces (NATO), and they say "Sorry" only.

Japan better keep distance from those "Pro-human right" forces.

[Uncle Frank]

they poured a ton of money and military in there for years and got no where.

Uncle Frank

:(

[mael]

I'd say "they" got exactly what they wanted. It's us who got shafted. - And those poor Afghans!

[Astroboy]

UK, Danish soldiers killed in Afghanistan

One Danish and one British soldier have died in fighting over the last 24 hours in southern Afghanistan's volatile Helmand province.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/25/afghanistan.deaths/index.html

All West Coalitin (American, British, Canadian, Danish, Dutch, German, .....) are fighting against Afghan.

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

I am afraid that there is no easy answer to the Afghanistan drama.
Afghanistan

I have never been to this country, but I have seen the people dancing in the streets [B]on TV somewhere in 1973/4,. I saw Kabul and several other places and I thought by myself: "That is really a country I would love to visit." From the Afghanistan refugees living in Holland today, I get the impression that they are a very special people.
I read several books about Afghanistan. Ahmed Rashid wrote "Taliban" he worked 21 years on that book. Mr.Rashid is Pakistani, the country where the Taliban comes from.
Russia fought against the Mujahedin, that was just as bad as the Taliban.

The Afghanistan government has asked us all to come and help to rebuild/ set up their country. Alas, now and then the soldiers are atacked by the Taliban and then have to fight back. But the aim is to help the Afghanistan people to rebuild their schools, houses a.s.o. so that they can go back to a normal life. They deserve our help, they are a fine people that has lost everything.

I find this drama in Afghanistan very different from the war in Iraq. But that is only my opinion.

[Astroboy]

I am afraid that there is no easy answer to the Afghanistan drama.


Not "No Easy Answer" but "No Answer" to the Afghan War, I believe.
And it must just be a beginning stage of the conflict between the West vs Islam ... coz ....

1. Europe kicked Jews out from Europe after WWII. Majority of Europeans helped NAZI to wipe out Jews in Europe during that times.
2. And Europe let Palestines bear all responsibilities instead of their assuming responsibilities.
3. Al-Qaeda was established in Afghanistan to fight with such unjustified West.
4. Plus conflict between West vs Middle East is deeply rooted in religion (Christianity vs Islam) back to several thousands years....

West (Europe + USA) are well aware of those background, and thus, in order to dilute such strong image of West vs Islam, they call us (Japan). But in the Japanese point of view, that's none of our business.

[mael]

I am afraid that there is no easy answer to the Afghanistan drama.

* Sure there is! Just get the Zionist ZOGbots out and back home. (That's the US military).

Russia fought against the Mujahedin, that was just as bad as the Taliban.

* Interestingly the US armed, trained, financed and supplied intel to a Mr. Osama Bin-laden during the time when the Russians were trying to keep Afghanistan. Mr. Bin Laden is CIA - Then and now (if he's still kicking).

The Afghanistan government has asked us all to come and help to rebuild/ set up their country.

* That would be the 'puppet' Afghanistan government installed by (ostensibly) Uncle Sam. They would be a laughing stock and highly vulnerable to attack by Afghans who lean toward being patriotic.

Alas, now and then the soldiers are atacked by the Taliban and then have to fight back.

* Strange that the hardline Muslim taliban would strive to rid their minions of the Yanks, isn't it? (Not). And it's much worse than you believe, I fear.

But the aim is to help the Afghanistan people to rebuild their schools, houses a.s.o. so that they can go back to a normal life.

* That's what the people running the US government would like you to think and believe. The US government just wants favours done and doesn't care a hoot about what is good for the Afghans. it only wants what is good for Zog (Zionist Occupied Government)

* In actual fact the US is stationed there to protect their interests, which are not the people. The US must have its opium supply. And of course there are pipelines to be built, which could not be built under the conditions the 'US' wanted when Afghanistan was a sovereign nation in effect.

* The Taliban virtually eradicated the opium poppy cultivation, but when the US et al empowered the 'Northern Alliance' they got the farmers' back growing the raw material for Heroin which the people running the US want probably more than the oil, minerals and precious metals which are in unknown but significant amounts. (Easy money).

* The Taliban is dead-set against drugs, and neither do they welcome the pernicious filth which is paraded in the Western media. (And I can't blame them).

They deserve our help, they are a fine people that has lost everything.

* They are a very tough people. They are certainly no strangers to warfare, and to my knowledge they have never been successfully beaten and taken over by any invaders for any appreciable time in its recorded history. The Yanks are being picked-off piecemeal and shipped back home in caskets. - And they are the lucky ones! If the Afghans get a hold of them they'd be able to be transported back home in buckets.

* And those Afghans who are war-hardened and capable of slicing and dicing a human being are in Western nations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* And the news you get about Afghanistan is extremely limited in its usefulness owing largely to all the communication systems being hooked-up via digital satellite-type systems, and nary a word escapes the government's (US) censors and spinmasters. - The formerly primitive communications system in Afghanistan was brushed aside as soon as the Yanks and their press-ganged cohorts assumed control, and replaced it with something they have complete control of. And they also dealt with journalists who they didn't approve of with extreme prejudice in case you had forgotten.

I find this drama in Afghanistan very different from the war in Iraq. But that is only my opinion.

* Hmmmm.

[theAlphaDuck]

the NATO coalition IS trying to help the people of Afghanistan...

Japan should step up...and join in....and to say that

"we are not going to deploy our army because it might be a little bit dangerous for them..."

makes me laugh... as it shows cowardice...

NATO forces are busy trying to turn the afghan economy around AND reconstruct...
the Taliban are an EVIL force...

DO YOU WANT TO GO TO MOSQUE 5 TIMES A DAY?
DO YOU BELEIVE THAT GIRLS SHOULD NOT BE EDUCATED AT ALL?
DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY FLOODED WITH HEROIN?

if the answer to ANY of the above is NO...
then you should support the war in afghanistan and appreciate the fact that people are risking their lives to make sure that yours remains free.

[mael]

the NATO coalition IS trying to help the people of Afghanistan...

* That'd be the coalition of what? One? Namely the Americans? Seems everyone else has been forced to wake up and abandon this farce.

Japan should step up...and join in....and to say that
"we are not going to deploy our army because it might be a little bit dangerous for them..."
makes me laugh... as it shows cowardice...

* You surely mean it shows commonsense.

* Japan had to have some blood on their hands over this sordid affair, and I believe that at least until very recently Japan was supplying the US ships with fuel and supplies. So they are doing something. And this is too much in my opinion.

NATO forces are busy trying to turn the afghan economy around AND reconstruct...

* For whose benefit? Not the benefit of the Afghans. But for the benefit of extremely rich international corporations.

the Taliban are an EVIL force...

* So the US and her handlers ought to stop making the Taliban that way.

* The US and her handlers create their own enemies so the show can go on - and on.

DO YOU WANT TO GO TO MOSQUE 5 TIMES A DAY?
DO YOU BELEIVE THAT GIRLS SHOULD NOT BE EDUCATED AT ALL?
DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY FLOODED WITH HEROIN?
if the answer to ANY of the above is NO...
then you should support the war in afghanistan and appreciate the fact that people are risking their lives to make sure that yours remains free.

* You have taken the bait and believed the conspiracy theories of the US government.

* Best thing is to leave the Afghans alone and let them control their own destiny. That means leave their nation and stop meddling in their affairs.

* The Muslim nations have their own way of dealing with education for girls. It is their way and not yours or mine or ours. It is none of our business what the Afghans do in their own nation. I mean it is not our business to interfere.

* The Western nations are flooded with drugs including heroin. The CIA (From Nazi origins) deals with the drugs. Afghanistan is a major centre for the cultivation of the raw material for heroin, and this is why the US is so fanatically bent on protecting those opium poppy fields from religions fanatics who don't want the drugs being grown there.

*** Perhaps you might try to think for yourself after collating information pertaining to the conflicts from eclectic sources about the US wars in the M.E.? Were you to do this successfully you might draw a more balanced and realistic picture of what is really going on? But I would like to assure you that the news that the government feels is fit for broadcasting is either not the truth, or not the whole truth ... either way it is a complete lie.

[theAlphaDuck]

Afghanistan was a theocratic dictatorship...

hmmmm who destroyed the oldest statues of buhda...that would be the taliban...

the people of Afghanistan will live better lives in the future because of what is happeneing now.

i am proud of the fact that MY country is a part of that.

and FYI...the Taliban were controling the poppy..and still do...yet rather than burn the feilds down the farmers are being gently encouraged to grow other crops...the problem is that the economy lives of the poppy...and its also more profitable than any other crop...

YOU should get your facts straight.... until NATO came along they didn't even have mobile phones...it was a truly backwards nation....

the Taliban are scum...yes put in place by the US...but that is history...we live in the now...when they are gone and defeated....Afghanistan will be a shining beacon of democracy in a region mostly ruled by dictators....

to say that girls don't have a right to education go's AGAINST human rights!

so it's not about saying that's just how they do it....
it's about equality for all...something the TALIBAN want to put an end to..

another BASIC HUMAN RIGHT...is freedom of expression....

if the taliban ruled YOUR country...and you spoke out against thier war in the manner that you have just done...

you would be tortured. and executed...

think about that...

if you chose NOT to follow the national religion...

you would be tortured and EXECUTED...

if you were critical of the gov. in any way.....

you would be...you guessed it...tortured and executed...

just like is happenning in Iran...

it's not about west vs islam....

it's about the strong standing up for the weak...

those with a voice speaking for those that don't have one....

weather president Kazi is a puppet or not....he was the first ELECTED ruler of that nation for a long time....

whith greater stability will come greater indipendance...

i fear that you just don't know the issue....

you have simply swallowed some liberal wishy-washy doctrine and don't actually understand what's going on

[mael]

Very good. I see you have not only taken aboard what the spinmasters in the government-controlled media have created for you, but you are also hell-bent on imposing your perceived version of morality and human rights on everyone else.

The Afghans don't like it, nor do the Iraqis and neither would I.

Anyway, you are obviously very young. I would not expect anyone so young to be able to form a reasonable perspective under the present state of the manipulated media which is the defacto news-source for the plebs.

Me? I'll get my info from all sides and then see how it fits together.

[theAlphaDuck]

well if you get your information from such wide sources....

how come you have NO understanding of the issues?

as for human rights....

do you honestly think...as a lefty liberal....that strong nations should not protect human rights?

would you say that to the family of some poor Iranian who has been imprisoned, tortured and executed for say...shoplifting, or listening to the wrong kind of music....

would you tell them that....hey it's your problem!
not mine!

or to the poeple imprisoned throughout the world with no charges against them...hey...human rights...it's not our resposibility...

or to the people who are ejected from thier homes, raped and beaten in africa...sorry darlin' your human rights dont mean jack to me!
cos i RESPECT the way you people do things!?

people with NO VOTE...have NO POWER!
they are at the mercy of tin pot dictators....

i have been to such countries...and let me tell you now it's no joke!

EVERY PERSON on this earth wants liberty and security....some of us are lucky enough to have it....sadly many of us don't....

you know nothing about me...and the readyness with which you jump to (incorrect) conclusions shows that you are all too quick to form opinions...

stop praising the TALIBAN....the oppressed their people...they tortured and killed countless of people....

UNDERSTAND that HUMAN RIGHTS are EVERYBODY'S responsibility!
sadly too many tin pot dictators are able to get away with it!
thus the people of Afghanistan are lucky that something is being done!

if we wanted to wipe out afghanistan....every man woman and child could have been killed in about 50 hours....
the duration of the campaighn itself is evidence of the true GOOD nature of NATO forces regarding reconstruction...

and before you say that Human Rights are NOT everybody's responsibility...

take a look at the Amnesty International Website....

open your eye's...THEN your mouth

[mael]

That's right. Good boy. Believe everything you are told.

Let me tell you a saying:-

Continuously stick up for the underdog and you eventually become the underdog.

[Astroboy]

Australia's defence minister has criticised some Nato member states for their "underwhelming" response to Afghanistan's ongoing problems.

Australia currently has about 1,000 troops in Afghanistan. Mr Fitzgibbon said that if certain Nato countries were unwilling to contribute extra troops, they should at least contribute money to fund the expansion of the Afghan National Army.

And he suggested bolstering the fight against al-Qaeda, the Taleban and other militant groups such as Jemaah Islamiah by offering Pakistan support.

"We are committed to fight against those extremists and terrorists who are... making the world not safe," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7532335.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44874000/jpg/_44874960_511faf13-183c-45fe-a51c-d09a634796ab.jpg
Australian troops have played a vital role in Nato's Afghanistan efforts

Cannot be helped as Australian = West. But don't fight among the same roots.

Let's keep distance from West vs Islam.

[mael]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44874000/jpg/_44874960_511faf13-183c-45fe-a51c-d09a634796ab.jpg
Australian troops have played a vital role in Nato's Afghanistan efforts
Cannot be helped as Australian = West. But don't fight among the same roots.
Let's keep distance from West vs Islam.

* Yeah! The Ozzies don't get what they want from their politicians. Of course this is because the leaders of Australia are members of the same club whose members run the rest of the former best of the West.

Actually I'm sure you'll also find a few members of the 'coalition' from places like the Camaroon and Fiji. - If you want to look, that is.

I agree wholeheartedly about keeping a distance between the West and Islamic countries. Let them be muslims in their own nations and let's keep our nations Western.

- Strong fences make good neighbours.

[Astroboy]

Strong fences make good neighbours.

Agree! Let's prepare strong fence against our strange neighbours !

[Hezam]

Astroboy and mael,thanks friends,that's why Arab and Muslims respect Japanese people,even if some soldiers went to iraq or Afghanistan we know that they dont represent japan ^^
japan is an ideal country ^^

best regards
Hezam

[Astroboy]

Astroboy and mael,thanks friends,that's why Arab and Muslims respect Japanese people,even if some soldiers went to iraq or Afghanistan we know that they dont represent japan ^^
japan is an ideal country ^^
best regards
Hezam

We always stand with justice. Look at below;

NATO Genocide in Afghanistan
The internationally recognized crime of genocide applies to the intentional killings that NATO troops commit on a weekly basis in the poor villages and mute mountains of Afghanistan. The dehumanized label of "Taliban" is used to cloak the nameless victims of NATO operations ...........
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19235.htm

Probably seamless genocide by NATO soldiers occurs in Afghanistan.... coz they cannot use A-bomb. :blush:
Usually West media, e.g. BBC, NY Times, etc, do not cover anything negative to them coz they are the propaganda media to justify the West.

We are fortunate as we are born in Japan. And I do hope that J-gov keep distance with West.

[theAlphaDuck]

keep your distance all you want...

just remember if it comes down to conflict its US that's gonna have to bail out YOU...

but don't worry we will....because democracy is worth fighting for

[Astroboy]

A Canadian soldier has been killed in Afghanistan, the 90th soldier to die since Canada's mission there began in 2002, the Canadian military says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7555789.stm

Cannot be helped as they are the same roots as Briton group.

Keep distance from them is always good for the world.

[Hezam]

DO YOU WANT TO GO TO MOSQUE 5 TIMES A DAY?
DO YOU BELEIVE THAT GIRLS SHOULD NOT BE EDUCATED AT ALL?
DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY FLOODED WITH HEROIN?
lol at first,it's not MOSQUE like spanish calls it,it's Masjed like we call it...
well well ! i think you hate islam very much dude ! i'm wondering why !
it's okay,i want to tell you that Girls in islamic countries like Saudi Arabia have a special Schools and colleges,we respect the woman and the woman is not cheap merchandise.
Muslimah woman is great and she has many good works for her...to be honest girls have the highest marks at school more than the boys hahaha i'm jealous..
the 5 times is nothing compared to the time you watch TV or playing games all the day,it's a time for Allah ( the God you pray to him too! ) and these 5 times are not only a routine,the 5 times remind you not to lie,not do bad things and teach you how to do your work well never delay it.
and you said something about HEROIN,i want to tell you that the heroin and the likes of it are forbiddin in Islam ( like alcohol )...ensure who manages the heroin in Afghanistan and then come to post here again..

no one can hide the truth..

i noticed that you was instigating Japanese against Islam & Muslims !!!
do you think Japanese will belive such a low media...japanese is a victims from the past to present so no way dude...

[noyhauser]

lol at first,it's not MOSQUE like spanish calls it,it's Masjed like we call it...
well well ! i think you hate islam very much dude ! i'm wondering why !
it's okay,i want to tell you that Girls in islamic countries like Saudi Arabia have a special Schools and colleges,we respect the woman and the woman is not cheap merchandise.
Muslimah woman is great and she has many good works for her...to be honest girls have the highest marks at school more than the boys hahaha i'm jealous..
the 5 times is nothing compared to the time you watch TV or playing games all the day,it's a time for Allah ( the God you pray to him too! ) and these 5 times are not only a routine,the 5 times remind you not to lie,not do bad things and teach you how to do your work well never delay it.

As much as

and you said something about HEROIN,i want to tell you that the heroin and the likes of it are forbiddin in Islam ( like alcohol )...ensure who manages the heroin in Afghanistan and then come to post here again..
no one can hide the truth..


The reality of the Taliban rule was not that they stopped opium production, but why. For five years they controlled the south of Afghanistan (Helmand,, Kandahar, and Zabul provinces) the talibs only once outlawed opium production, in 2001. This wasn't an oversight; opium production was legalized and a source of hard currency for the Taliban. And religion had nothing to do with the ban; it was to keep market prices high.

In 1999 Opium production in Afghanistan reached its highest peak ever: 5000 tonnes. In 2000 the production dropped to 4000 due to bad harvests, but it was still much higher than before the Taliban took over.

Because of the market glut, the price of opium dropped from $40 per kilogram to $28 per kilogram. In the year during the ban, prices hit $300 dollars per kilogram, and the Taliban authorities had already stockpiled opium to release into the market in order to take advantage the high prices. Moreover the current taliban is all to happy to use opium to support its current operations.

And honestly? I think the West would love to do nothing more than to eliminate the opium production. It feed the insurgency, has a corrosive effect on the ability of the government to control the country, as well as that of our own populations However stopping the problem is difficult. Afghanistan is corrupt, and large portions of the public are part of the narco state. Reforming the country is difficult. Also the West can't just stop everybody at gunpoint, like the Taliban did. You'd have a massive uprising. We're trying to rebuild a state, it takes years of efforts.

We're also not anti islam; western countries are trying respect the islamic values of the people of Afghanistan. I think what we want is a state that acts responsibly in the international system. If it acted like the Kuwait, UAE, or even KSA, I think the West would be happy. This is not about islam, but what the taliban represents.

Moreover as much as you'd like to say that the taliban represent islam, its really a stretch. As I've pointed out, they were and are quite happy to use opium to support their activities. While they claim they are Islamic, many practice tribal beliefs, mixed in with Deobani and wahhabi influences. They go well beyond what is even considered acceptable in the KSA. They are willing to violence against civilians, in a most brutal fashion. People are strung up in villages or tortured to death. They blow up schools hospitals, police stations, and kill their inhabitants.

You can point out that the use of aerial bombing has killed many afghan citizens, and yes its a problem we are trying to fix, however its nowhere near what the taliban does on a daily basis to Afghan citizens. Finally, the taliban was completely supported by the secular rule of the Pakistani intelligence service. The whole reason why the movement occurred in 1994 was because Pakistan wanted to make sure it had somewhere to retreat to if attacked by India.

While the west hasn't done well in Afghanistan; we've made some terrible mistakes. But to try to say the taliban is "better", is ridiculous. They aren't fighting for islam; they are fighting for power.

[Hezam]

Taliban doesnt represent islam they have their own way to live,you can see how we live in KSA,it's very different from Afghanistan...
i dont support Taliban and i dont agree with thier rules,but i belive that the war in Afghanistan is against Islam and for some political targets...

and thanks for your good post noyhauser,we need a discussion like this.

[noyhauser]

Taliban doesnt represent islam they have their own way to live,you can see how we live in KSA,it's very different from Afghanistan...
i dont support Taliban and i dont agree with thier rules,but i belive that the war in Afghanistan is against Islam and for some political targets...
and thanks for your good post noyhauser,we need a discussion like this.

It isn't against islam. People who aren't on the ground might think it is, but it isn't. It can't be otherwise; we would lose the support of the people on the ground if we tried. Even the limited measures, like increasing Woman's employment, are resisted.

We're trying to stop the taliban, and build the government of Afghanistan. Even building the latter is difficult. Karzai hasn't really been tough on corruption, and even within his close circle it exists. I think it will take time and alot more blood.

[Hezam]

well it's complicated to understand,you know they cant afford to lose thier solders and money to rebuild a poor country ! they have other reassons...
i hate the bloody ways in any case...enough killing and enough hate.
the Zionism hand is over the world.it's the most dangerous organization around the world.

[theAlphaDuck]

it has nothing to do with zionism.....

just remember....what is going on in afghanistan and iraq....is a small fraction of what we are capable of.

if the muslim world actually EVER tried to take on europe they would be wiped off the face of the earth in a matter of hours.
and you know it...
thats why you resort to cowardly terrorist tactics...

yea your women get brainwashed.....ive seen it and its quite sad actually...i feel sorry for them.

just remember who is top dog...and understand it will NEVER be Islam...

as for your anti-zionism.....it reminds me of what an isreali defense minister said when asked if he was worried that Iran was now almost definitly going to get a nuke..

he said
"no were not worried, the iranians are sensible people...they dont want want there land truned into a radioactive wasteland"

both jews and islamists have narrow and closed minds....

and before you get all high and mighty research where islam comes from.......

i think youll be most humbled.....
and for those who cant be bothered to research it...

Islam was started by some bloke called mohhamed...because the arab penisula was about to go under due to all the wierd and kinky and homosexual cults that were floating around.....people doing it with animals....killing women because they thought them to be demons....women lesbos killing children...ect. ect.....it was proper mad....and that bloke mohammed saw what was gonna happen...

so he raised an army and wiped them out...hence why all that crap about holy war ect.

and i dont hate islam...just stupid dogmatic people who dont even question their owsn beleifs...be the christian, muslim or jew...

end of

afghanistan is in need of help....

and we are helping

end of

[Hezam]

dont talk about Prophet Muhammad (God's blessing and peace be upon him) like this boy.
you dont respect any prophet as well,respect the people and come post with agood words,No need for explaining it's clear and as the members post you can understand that they are more smart than the fake stories of those Govs....

[theAlphaDuck]

i will say what i want about who i want......

its called freeddom of speech...

you have the freedom of religeon and i respect your freedom to express and partisipate in that religeon....and i would not in anyway interfere in your right to do so...

regarless of what that religeon is....your right to beleive it and to practice it in private or public shall be respected....

however this is not a place of worship, so you bring your religeon into a free sphere.
and (tho the moderators may disagree ;-) ) this i a place where freedom of spreech is respected...

so dont tell me what i can and cannot say....
especially about some bloke called mohhamed who had sex with a 13 year old girl.
infact that 13 year old girl was his wife....and you know its true....

and you know what everytime you get all funny about peoepl saying bad things about buhda, jesus, fred flinstone or who ever it is you worship...the more backwards it makes you look.....

"Jesus was a homosexual who gave it large to a three eyed sheep"
not one christian is going to get seriosly angry about that....
they may pray for my soul...but i would get no death threats...

what if i said the same about you mohamed?
what then?

or if someone drew a cartoon of him...(and i saw those cartoons...they were not that bad)

understand that until you can
1. make fun of yourself
and
2. take critisizm and insult of your fundemental beliefs on the chin

you will always be considered a backwards people.....

and as you even see the inseption of your own religion as blasphemous...WOW.....you talk to me about FAKE stories.....
ever wondered why muslioms cant eat pigs?
and why that only applies to jews and muslims?

huh?

huh?

mr scholar?

ever wonder why islam is the ONLY religeon that so expresslly prohibits homosexuality?

and understand that peoepl use this text to make their own power plays....

till you understand that you will just be sheep.....sheep to the slaughter of the wests mighty weapons....

and the sheppard will be your own leaders....lead by their greed and selfishness.....

[Hezam]

are you mad at islam because islam prohibits homosexuality ? are you gay ? lol

okay Prophet Muhammad ( God's blessing and peace be upon him ) got married to the 13 women because they were poor and some of them lost their husbands and all of them were oldie not young but one was 13 yes,i dont know who put your laws about marrige age ! i know he is not Jesus (peace upon him ),he is one man wants to make you wait more time for nothing ! 13 girl here is not like the girls in your country,our girls act like 20 even if they are 10 years...

you dont respect Jesus so how can you respect the other people !

[Sukotto]

war never solves anything.

[theAlphaDuck]

[QUOTE=Hezam;592414]
13 girl here is not like the girls in your country,our girls act like 20
QUOTE]
what so the 13 year olds in your country go clubbing, drink and chase after boys then :-P
firstly having sex with a girl who is 13 is WRONG!
secondly for someone who claims to be so FULL of maturity.....
you laugh at homosexuality...hmmm mature.
unfortunatly you are unable to question what you are told.
you simply accept whatis told to you by ignorant people
question what you are told.....
why?
when?
syas who?
prove it!
those 4 should be asked when taking on any knowledge
dont fear the light

[Capster78]

Just another country standing on the US's sholders to get the job done. The reason why we seem to be the world police is because we are the only one's that will act against a country that is hostile to its neighbors. If other countries would get involved maybe there would be a more even and balanced resolution. I think all other countries just now assume that the US will handle rouge nations. By the time the UN and international community would have acted against Iraq it would have already had a good foothold on Kuwait and god know's who else. Or maybe a larger middle eastern conflict would have erupted before anyone would have acted which would have caused far more casualties.

[Astroboy]

The incident happened in Kandahar province late on Tuesday evening when a wedding party was bombed. A local member of parliament told the BBC that as many as 38 people may have died. Details are still emerging.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45115000/jpg/_45115854_91585e39-35c1-493f-bd27-6e9f779aed19.jpg
It is the latest incident involving civilian casualties and underlines the challenge ahead for US President-elect and commander-in-chief Barack Obama.........

It said that from January to August 2008, 1,445 civilians were killed - a rise of 39% on the same period last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7710566.stm

Always innocent civilians are killed in wars, and the situation in Afghanistan has been getting worse. But So-called "Pro-Human right" Westers turn blind eyes to their inhuman acts in Afghanistan, Plus they actively bash Chinese violation of human rights... :blush:

Oh Yeah, they also bash the Japasnese "violation" of Human Right. Maybe we (Japan) are inhuman as we still adopt death penalty here.

I do hope that Japan keep contradicting with "Human Right" of the West. :wave:

[Sukotto]

Just another country standing on the US's sholders to get the job done. The reason why we seem to be the world police is because we are the only one's that will act against a country that is hostile to its neighbors. If other countries would get involved maybe there would be a more even and balanced resolution. I think all other countries just now assume that the US will handle rouge nations. By the time the UN and international community would have acted against Iraq it would have already had a good foothold on Kuwait and god know's who else. Or maybe a larger middle eastern conflict would have erupted before anyone would have acted which would have caused far more casualties.

Am I opening a can of worms here when I say...,
US involvement in the Persian Gulf War was about oil?

There is also a matter of the US among others, such as France, Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Germany..., selling weapons to all sorts of dictators or otherwise "unsavory regimes"

Lead by example: let us get out of the arms trade.

[Astroboy]

Am I opening a can of worms here when I say...,
US involvement in the Persian Gulf War was about oil?
There is also a matter of the US among others, such as France, Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Germany..., selling weapons to all sorts of dictators or otherwise "unsavory regimes"
Lead by example: let us get out of the arms trade.

I remember the words of Prussian President von Bismarck.

When the Japanese mission visited Prussia more than a century ago, Von Bismark met the Japanese and gave some advice to Japan "Japan better know that Big countries often change rules to their preference".

[Capster78]

Am I opening a can of worms here when I say...,
US involvement in the Persian Gulf War was about oil?
There is also a matter of the US among others, such as France, Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Germany..., selling weapons to all sorts of dictators or otherwise "unsavory regimes"
Lead by example: let us get out of the arms trade.

Yes you are because it is absolutly false. Atleast in the sense most americans misunderstand it. Yes, it is about oil but not about America's greed for it but about the middle east's greed for it. Why do you think the three sects are at each others throat? They all want a piece of the pie. Look at Saddam. He was living in 30 + palaces while the average Iraqi was living in a house built of mud and bricks. Why do you think this is? It is all about oil. Oil profits which funded the war agains Iran and the invasion of Kuwait. Oil profits that funded the WMD's Iraq had in the 80's. Oil profits that funded the Iraqi military which killed sunies and other factions that rose up against Saddam's genocide. People have their facts all wrong. America is not the culprit, the middle east is. Their greed for oil profits has caused millions and millions of deaths.

[Golgo 13]

Yes you are because it is absolutly false. Atleast in the sense most americans misunderstand it. Yes, it is about oil but not about America's greed for it but about the middle east's greed for it. Why do you think the three sects are at each others throat? They all want a piece of the pie. Look at Saddam. He was living in 30 + palaces while the average Iraqi was living in a house built of mud and bricks. Why do you think this is? It is all about oil. Oil profits which funded the war agains Iran and the invasion of Kuwait. Oil profits that funded the WMD's Iraq had in the 80's. Oil profits that funded the Iraqi military which killed sunies and other factions that rose up against Saddam's genocide. People have their facts all wrong. America is not the culprit, the middle east is. Their greed for oil profits has caused millions and millions of deaths.

You sound like the Bush administration. And let me tell you, there's nothing good about that.

[Capster78]

You sound like the Bush administration. And let me tell you, there's nothing good about that.

Well, that is convincing argument.

[Astroboy]

'US missile strike' hits Pakistan
At least three people have been killed in a suspected US missile strike on a tribal district in north-west Pakistan, security officials have said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7743303.stm

So, USA and its allied NATO force VIOLATED 'Sovereignty' of Pakistan.

As I said, West often change the rule to their preference. According to the West, "sovereignty" is only about themselves, not about others. :blush:
I am happy that Japan is not a member of the West.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45230000/jpg/_45230377_protest_afp226.jpg
US missile strikes targeting militants cause resentment in Pakistan.... to me, it is quite understandable about Pakistani's resentment.

[Capster78]

So, USA and its allied NATO force VIOLATED 'Sovereignty' of Pakistan.
As I said, West often change the rule to their preference. According to the West, "sovereignty" is only about themselves, not about others. :blush:
I am happy that Japan is not a member of the West.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45230000/jpg/_45230377_protest_afp226.jpg
US missile strikes targeting militants cause resentment in Pakistan.... to me, it is quite understandable about Pakistani's resentment.

Ok, I suppose you would rather us stand at the boarders and let insurgents take pot shots at us from the other side and do nothing about it. Maybe we can drag this war on for 100 years because we are waiting for Bin Laden to cross the boarder into Afghanistan before we try to find and kill him. Funny how we are suppose to respect the sovereignty of Pakistan when Pakistan can not control its side of the boarder. WOW!! I just realized something, its call hypocracy.

By the way, that is not the American flag they are burning. Look at it. It does not have enough stripes and the stars look liked they were playing "pin the tail on the donkey" while puting them on.

And let me ask this, do people in pakistan understand our resentment of 911?

[Astroboy]

And let me ask this, do people in pakistan understand our resentment of 911?

So you mean al-Qaeda = Pakistan ?

Some American tell that they justified use of Nuke (twice) as a result of resetment of "Pearl Harbour".

So WHY USA don't use Nuke in Afghanistan to swipe al-Qaeda as a resentment of 911? instead of attacking Pakistan.

IF so, of course, "so-called Terrorists" in Pakistan/Afghanistan will have a right to use Nuke against USA as a resentment of Nuke.

Sounds like an endless, doesn't it? :blush:

Either way, it is obvious that USA needs to keep chin up. IF it stops, it will be revenged.

[Golgo 13]

Ok, I suppose you would rather us stand at the boarders and let insurgents take pot shots at us from the other side and do nothing about it. Maybe we can drag this war on for 100 years because we are waiting for Bin Laden to cross the boarder into Afghanistan before we try to find and kill him. Funny how we are suppose to respect the sovereignty of Pakistan when Pakistan can not control its side of the boarder. WOW!! I just realized something, its call hypocracy.

By the way, that is not the American flag they are burning. Look at it. It does not have enough stripes and the stars look liked they were playing "pin the tail on the donkey" while puting them on.

And let me ask this, do people in pakistan understand our resentment of 911?

So, resentment justifies doing whatever the hell you want and not abiding by the international laws set in place to keep the World from going into chaos?

[Capster78]

So, resentment justifies doing whatever the hell you want and not abiding by the international laws set in place to keep the World from going into chaos?

Who is breaking international law? Pakistan can not control its boarders. It's citicens are breaching the boarder of Afghanistan and carrying out suicide attacks on civilians. If your neighbor ran across his yard, punched you in the face and then ran back into his yard, are you just going to stand there and bleed?

So you mean al-Qaeda = Pakistan ?
Some American tell that they justified use of Nuke (twice) as a result of resetment of "Pearl Harbour".
So WHY USA don't use Nuke in Afghanistan to swipe al-Qaeda as a resentment of 911? instead of attacking Pakistan.
IF so, of course, "so-called Terrorists" in Pakistan/Afghanistan will have a right to use Nuke against USA as a resentment of Nuke.
Sounds like an endless, doesn't it? :blush:
Either way, it is obvious that USA needs to keep chin up. IF it stops, it will be revenged.

No, Im saying pakistan can not control Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. We have all learned what nuclear weapons can do. The US policy is that nuclear weapons are a last resort weapon.

We are not attacking Pakistan. We are attacking militants in pakistan that are attacking us. Osama Bin Laden is thought to be in Pakistan. Many of his followers have been killed in Pakistan.

[Astroboy]

No, Im saying pakistan can not control Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. We have all learned what nuclear weapons can do. The US policy is that nuclear weapons are a last resort weapon.
We are not attacking Pakistan. We are attacking militants in pakistan that are attacking us. Osama Bin Laden is thought to be in Pakistan. Many of his followers have been killed in Pakistan.

Everybody knows that !
But still you cannot justify attacking tirbal area of Pakistan as it is a part of Pakistan. Sovereignty must be secured, which is guaranteed under International Law. Instead of attacking the area, USA should seek cooperation with Pakistan government. Otherwise ..... endless and "War Against Terror" will never end but spreading across the region.

[Golgo 13]

Who is breaking international law?

The United States of America is breaking International Law by violating Pakistan's "Territorial integrity". "Territorial integrity" is an international law.

[Chidoriashi]

So you mean al-Qaeda = Pakistan ?
Some American tell that they justified use of Nuke (twice) as a result of resetment of "Pearl Harbour".

Other Americans say it is because IJA murdered 17 million Chinese.. hmmm..

[Astroboy]

Other Americans say it is because IJA murdered 17 million Chinese.. hmmm..

So SOME Americans are proud that they could have reached the same level as Japan or exceeded IJA by murdering Native Indians, Hispanic, African Americans, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iraqi, Afghanistans, .... now on Pakistani, Iranian, and what else ? ... hmmm.　

Carry on. :blush:

[Astroboy]

The Japanese parliament has approved a year-long extension of the country's support for the US-led military operation in Afghanistan.

The bill has proved controversial in Japan, with opponents claiming it contravenes the pacifist constitution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7779177.stm


Japan will continue "Petroleum Station Service" in Indian Sea in 2009. :relief:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44205000/jpg/_44205365_refuelling_ap203.jpg

[Capster78]

When it comes to the lives of my fellow comrades, I could care less about international law. If someone is trying to kill me, im going to kill them first.

[otoko]

So you mean al-Qaeda = Pakistan ?
Some American tell that they justified use of Nuke (twice) as a result of resetment of "Pearl Harbour".
So WHY USA don't use Nuke in Afghanistan to swipe al-Qaeda as a resentment of 911? instead of attacking Pakistan.
IF so, of course, "so-called Terrorists" in Pakistan/Afghanistan will have a right to use Nuke against USA as a resentment of Nuke.
Sounds like an endless, doesn't it? :blush:
Either way, it is obvious that USA needs to keep chin up. IF it stops, it will be revenged.
Sometimes I do not even know what you are trying to accomplish.

If some Americans tell you that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified by Pearl Habour well they would be wrong. I hope you really know why things happened the way they happened.

I would have left it at that but in your next sentence you use the misinformed opinion of some Americans as reason to question why the US does not Nuke Afghanistan. You argument is exposed as taking positions when they are convenient to you but are inconsistent and lack logic.

Actually it reminds me of many extreme American pundits way of arguing. Good job!

[Astroboy]

A suspected pilotless American drone has fired a missile in a border area of Pakistan, killing two people, Pakistani security officials say.

Drone attacks are believed to have been largely on-target, hitting Taleban and al-Qaeda hideouts in the north-western Waziristan tribal region. There have been few civilian casualties, officials say. But Pakistani media and opposition parties term these attacks as a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7784897.stm


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45301000/jpg/_45301021_drone.jpg

I think this is time-consuming and endless.
The Pakistani government says these attacks are counter-productive as they help offset the negative popularity the Islamist militants have gained in areas under their control.
However, it has been reluctant to move either diplomatically or militarily to stop these strikes.

Japan will need to show its BOOTs as an US allies but better stay in the Indian Sea as a Petro Station Service .... :)

[Hezam]

Can i know what's your opinion about what US army do in Afghanistan ?
and iraq two,by the way did you see what happend to bush in iraq ? lol

[Astroboy]

Can i know what's your opinion about what US army do in Afghanistan ?
and iraq two,by the way did you see what happend to bush in iraq ? lol

The solution must be Immediate Pullout of Afghanistan. US & NATO allies will not able to attain victory over Taliban in Afghanistan as they are not regular military forces. US/NATO are fighting with unseeable enemies.

YES, I know Iraqi journalist threw BOOTS. :(

[Wanderleifan1]

Hmm, Well I can just say I'm glad more people are not getting involved in this mess. The U.S. really needs to rebuild its own infrastructure before we bring "democracy" to others. Kinda reminds me of a bumper I saw that said "Be nice to us or we'll bring democracy to YOUR country" lol I got a good laugh out it. That being said the U.S. needs to leave Iraq first and then Afghanistan as soon as possible there is nothing to accoplish there.

btw Astroboy the nukes were wrong, however as they say when you play with fire your going to get burnt.

[EdZiomek]

Three things:

1. Thank you Japan for not sending troops, where no outsider is wanted, nothing has been accomplished, and the situation is getting worse.

2. We gave Afghanistan tribal people the opportunity to choose what they wanted, and it will probably return to the way it was before we intervened.

3. Sadly laughable, the shoe incident will become a worldwide sensation and symbol of resistance against idiocy, it will be shown for decades as the symbol of America's folly in Iraq. I say this with the greatest sadness in my heart, given the terrible and enormous sacrifices that American soldiers/marines and their families gave to these Iraq/Afghan mis-guided efforts, all the while crushed by the enormous losses suffered by the Iraqi and Afghani people. They will be remembered, yes, but the shoes will be celebrated more!

Thank you Japan for your brave and most-sensible decision!

[Hezam]

3. Sadly laughable, the shoe incident will become a worldwide sensation and symbol of resistance against idiocy, it will be shown for decades as the symbol of America's folly in Iraq. I say this with the greatest sadness in my heart, given the terrible and enormous sacrifices that American soldiers/marines and their families gave to these Iraq/Afghan mis-guided efforts, all the while crushed by the enormous losses suffered by the Iraqi and Afghani people. They will be remembered, yes, but the shoes will be celebrated more!

Do you really think that the U.S Army gave a gift to Iraq by killing the women and children and many many people ??
i dont blame you because it's true that many solders lost their life in iraq but you have to know this,the American Gov is the reason behind all this mess.
you know what the US army did in Afghanistan and iraq and palestain by giving israel the forbedden weapons.
i dont hate American people,i have many American friends and i like them too much.
but i hate politic and everything causes hate.
many american solders lost their life for a dirty game.

[EdZiomek]

Hezam, first, let's thank the SDF for not sending troops to Afghanistan.

Second, let's pray for the tragic 1 million dead, 5 million displaced, 2 million wounded, but not all caused by Americans, there are internal killers at loose still killing in Iraq and Afghanistan. Foreigners should get out of these countries.

Your comments are 8 million times true, for which it will be decades and generations to try and repair. Thank you, and thank the SDF for their decision.

[Hezam]

What makes me very upset is when i see Arabic or any people around the world hate the American people who dont do any crimes !
i really like your comment EdZiomek,i respect you very much because that's what we should be.
i hope i can see a new page with Obama.may Allah save all people souls and bloods.
it really great to see the peace world.
with good realationship we can build a big world full of peace,full of fun.no matter where we are from.

many many thanks EdZiomek.

[Astroboy]

What makes me very upset is when i see Arabic or any people around the world hate the American people who dont do any crimes !
i really like your comment EdZiomek,i respect you very much because that's what we should be.
i hope i can see a new page with Obama.may Allah save all people souls and bloods.
it really great to see the peace world.
with good realationship we can build a big world full of peace,full of fun.no matter where we are from.
many many thanks EdZiomek.

There are many unjustice in the world, but justice will be served at the end of day. So let's keep hope.

[Astroboy]

The Iranian president's latest denial of the Nazi Holocaust has drawn strong condemnation from Western powers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8264111.stm

Today's conflict in the middle east is rooted in Western Powers, I think. Because ...
It is said that Today's Israel was established after "Nazi Holocaust" in Europe.

And as a result, tragedy of Palestine was started.
But The Western Powers are quiet about tragedy in Palestine.
Plus Iranian denies Nazi Holocaust ... Germany said the comments were a "disgrace to his country".

Under the circumstances, the followings can easily be imagined:
1) Holocaust denial is inconvenient to Western Powers, including Germany.
2) It is because Nazi Halocaust is a raison d'etre for Today's Isarel.
3) If it's denied, Jewish people will need to go back to Europe.
4) Jewish back-to-Europe is inconvenient to Western Powers.
5) For that reason, Western Powers support Israel.
6) Resulting in Al Qaeda.
7) Today All Western Powers sent troops to Afghanistan.
8) Resulting in killing innocent civilians.

In order to attain Peace in Afghanistan, Palestine issues must be solved, I think.

[Hezam]

Germany said the comments were a "disgrace to his country".
this is the funnies part ! they should rather say the opposite !!!

Under the circumstances, the followings can easily be imagined:
1) Holocaust denial is inconvenient to Western Powers, including Germany.
2) It is because Nazi Halocaust is a raison d'etre for Today's Isarel.
3) If it's denied, Jewish people will need to go back to Europe.
4) Jewish back-to-Europe is inconvenient to Western Powers.
5) For that reason, Western Powers support Israel.
6) Resulting in Al Qaeda.
7) Today All Western Powers sent troops to Afghanistan.
8) Resulting in killing innocent civilians.

In order to attain Peace in Afghanistan, Palestine issues must be solved, I think.
Very true.
but you know if the jewish back to europe they will do many things like before and Arab will be stronge,Palestine is a very important and Strategic site.

I am glad No japanese were sent to Afghanistan ^^
NATO will be kicked out there soon.

[Astroboy]

but you know if the jewish back to europe they will do many things like before and Arab will be stronge,Palestine is a very important and Strategic site.
I am glad No japanese were sent to Afghanistan ^^
NATO will be kicked out there soon.

Germany may be a hero in Europe as Germany (together with other European) kicked out all the Jewish from Europe, and undertook all responsibility of Genocide in Europe.
And of course, German said that it was about Nazi, not about ordinary German.

I think .... it was a good deal between Germany and other Europeans as
they succeeded to kick out Jewish people from Europe and put all inconvenience to Palestine....
Is this a reason behind EU ???

Therefore, Japan should not be involved in.

[Hezam]

I think .... it was a good deal between Germany and other Europeans as
they succeeded to kick out Jewish people from Europe and put all inconvenience to Palestine.
they now exactly how bad the Jewish were,so they killed them and kick the rest out.

Therefore, Japan should not be involved in.
Yes,also Japan has many things to do better than sending their solders to Afghanistan's Hell.
North Korea is a real threat to Japan,why ? i think because Japan involved in this issue !

[Astroboy]

they now exactly how bad the Jewish were,so they killed them and kick the rest out.
Yes,also Japan has many things to do better than sending their solders to Afghanistan's Hell.
North Korea is a real threat to Japan,why ? i think because Japan involved in this issue !

Germany must be appreciated by Europeans as European Central Bank (ECB) is headquartered in Frnakfurt.

In the meanwhile, USA gets the rough end of the pineapples. (maybe).

[Hezam]

I am happy the new Japanese government seems better than the last one.
Also i see Obama is doing better than the Idiot Bush.
Seriously,why do they want to involve Japan in every mess they make !!!!!!!!

[Astroboy]

I am happy the new Japanese government seems better than the last one.
Also i see Obama is doing better than the Idiot Bush.
Seriously,why do they want to involve Japan in every mess they make !!!!!!!!

I think they want to dilute image of Isalam vs West as Japan is officially non-West (inhuman & whale meat eater:-)).

[Hezam]

the Terrorists made a new weapon ! see :
http://buffoonery.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/new_terrorist_weapon.jpg

They need some solders from Japan too....!

[Astroboy]

they now exactly how bad the Jewish were,so they killed them and kick the rest out.

Interesting point of view.

I don't think such things will happen again, but Jewish-back-to-Europe must not be convenient to EU, or not realistic, either. So all depends on how EU can solve Palestine vs Israel issues.

I am sure that Europeans can do it as they CAN TELL JAPAN: More Human right; Not-racism; Seamless Apology over history; Environment; Don't-Eat-Whale meat; Don't Kill Dolphine; More woman equality right; List goes on .... I believe Superior EU will show us how we should behave.

Let's have a look.

[Hezam]

they teach us the Human rights while they break them in front of the world !
i wonder if the new Japanese goverment will send some solders ??

[Astroboy]

they teach us the Human rights while they break them in front of the world !
i wonder if the new Japanese goverment will send some solders ??

They are so-called ... "Pro-Human Right Race", having right to instruct others NOT to do that, but to do this. It is their NATURE to change the world's rule to their preference.

Of course, No soldiers. Petro-station service is the best concession, I think, because we are inhuman & eating whale meat.

[Astroboy]

Brown warns Karzai on corruption.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8345535.stm

But historically .... West-backed Governments of troubled developing countries were mostly troubled with corruption, while I don't know the reason. So this is not a new thing.

Though I mostly oppose policies of DPJ government of Japan, I support DPJ policy about Afghanistan as Japan is not a part of Pro-Human West.

[Hezam]

DPJ policy about Afghanistan is in the right way.