Japan's step by step for regaining "Takeshima"

[Astroboy]

South Korea illegally occupies Takeshima since their independence (1945).
Japan continues to tell SK "Please go away from our island" but they say "Don't say anything about Takeshima".

Last week, when Japan has decided to include "Takeshima territorial issue"
in Japan’s new educational guideline which implies that Takeshima is an integral part of Japan, South Korea has begun to overreact as usual.

I don't know when Japan can regain "Takeshima" again, but it is obvious that Japan is moving forward to regaining the island step by step.

Regarding the issue of Takeshima, Japan's official statement can be seen at
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/index.html

http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/image/map2.gif

[Astroboy]

As you know, Korean is quite unique people in a way, and their behavior is quite unpredictable when they don't like to hear something unfavourable to them. In short, .... inscrutable.

In order to protest something, firing storm is not novelty in South Korea.
http://photo.hankooki.com/gisaphoto/inews/2008/07/21/0721341161220.jpg

But ....

[Astroboy]

Korean started killing pheasant (a sort of bird) in front of Japanese embassy in Soeul.
According to Korean news, the pheasant is one of Japanese symbolic birds. And because of that, those birds are killed.

http://image.moneytoday.co.kr/indexlink_image.php?no=2008071718190781431_1.jpg&index=6
Source: http://www.moneytoday.co.kr/view/mtview.php?type=1&no=2008071718190781431

Reportedly, Koreans ate those birds' raw meat .... after slaughtering the birds....
More cruel photos by AFP can be seeable at http://www.afpbb.com/article/politics/2419347/3140551

[Astroboy]

Day by Day, Korean overreaction over Takeshima territorial issue has been escalating.
Now, Korean began with "Takeshima is mine" campaign in NY.

A life-sized figure of thief wearing a Japanese flag as a mask is installed on a signboard in Manhattan's Times Square. The sign reads, 'Stop island theft. Japan attempts to steal Asia's islands by distorting history.' It is part of a 'guerrilla' campaign by Yi Je-seok of advertising agency Draft FCB New York to promote Korea's sovereignty over the Dokdo islets. Yi produced and installed the figures around Times Square and the Empire State Building. Source: Korean Yonhap

http://photo.english.chosun.com/servlet/image?gubun=daily_news_item&idx=1690

Probably Korean believe that if they speak loud, the world will listen to them.

[Astroboy]

Japanese school textbooks are fired by Korean religious group near Japanese embassy in Seoul. This religious group hosted a prayer meeting for protecting Takeshima, and after that, they fired Japanese school textbooks.
http://photo.media.daum.net/society/view.html?cateid=1001&newsid=20080725101211871&cp=newsis
http://photo-media.daum-img.net/200807/25/newsis/20080725101209.463.0.jpg
Firing something looks quite common in South Korea.

[Astroboy]

14 Jul 2008 ... South Korean President Lee Myung-bak recall its ambassador to Japan Wednesday in protest of Tokyo's decision to define South Korea's easternmost islets of Dokdo (Takeshima in Japanese) as its territory in guidebooks for history teachers....
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/07/116_27562.html

But this Mr Ambassador is returning to Japan NEXT week. South Korean news said...
http://www.seoul.co.kr/news/newsView.php?id=20080726004006
http://www.seoul.co.kr/img/upload/2008/07/25/SSI_20080725183540_V.jpg
Korean Ambassador to Japan - Mr Kwon Chul-hyun

Is this one of typical Korean behaviours ??? - Speaking Loud & Act Violently, But just Barking, while Japan is always quiet and smiling.
I personally suggest Mr Ambassador to take more summer vacation in his country.

[Astroboy]

Korean mob trying to fire pic of Japan's emperor Akihito as a protest over Japan's claim about Takeshima islands.

http://imgnews.naver.com/image/003/2008/07/25/NISI20080725_0007493085_web.jpg

Let's be patient as we are Japanese.

[Drew-san]

Eventually the UN will say give Japan back its territory, and Korea won't think twice about it.

[Astroboy]

According to Korean YonhapNews, US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency has changed sovereignty of Takeshima (Dokdo in Korean) from South Korea to "Undesignated Sovereignty".
http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2008/07/27/PYH2008072703970001300_P2.jpg
http://geonames.nga.mil/ggmagaz/geonames4.asp
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2008/07/27/0200000000AKR20080727003300071.HTML
Korean news says "US-Korean alliance ends".... but maybe good for both countries, I think.

Another step towards regaining Takeshima, I think.

[Astroboy]

I can't take my eyes off of Korea !

According to Japan's Sankei News, SK government is going to censure against Korean Ambassador to USA as he failed to block US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's changing name of the island and its sovereingty - Meaning Korean Ambassador to USA will be recalled soon.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/america/080728/amr0807281147007-p1.jpg
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/world/america/080728/amr0807281147007-n1.htm
But I assume that he will return to USA in a week or so. Korean reaction is usually over-reaction but only-speak-loud.

[manners]

What do most Japanese think of the issue?

[Astroboy]

What do most Japanese think of the issue?

As you know, most Japnese (or 100% Japanese) are quiet and enjoying Korean over-reaction. Media coverage is almost none here because it is not worth to comment.

Some Japanese believe that this issue will help us cut off bilateral tie with South Korea. And I am one of them. It is not the time of cold war, and thus Japan does not need South Korea as a block for communist threat. Both North and South Koreas are the same anyway- anti-Japan and anti-USA. So doesn't matter. :relief:

[manners]

Interesting.

Considering peace is the best route for any nation you would prefer to cut off bilateral ties.

[Astroboy]

Interesting.
Considering peace is the best route for any nation you would prefer to cut off bilateral ties.

Keep distance from dangerous countries is the best, I believe, coz Japan is surrounded by dangerous countries. Please check my another thread about GPI.

[Taiko666]

One can never underestimate the ability of Japan, Korea and China to bicker, insult and generally behave like pathetic wagamamas to each other ad nauseum. Is there something in their shared heritage which prevents them getting along? And now there's apparently even crazy-talk of cutting diplomatic ties. Meanwhile, almost the whole of Europe has become a border-free zone...

[FrustratedDave]

Keep distance from dangerous countries is the best, I believe, coz Japan is surrounded by dangerous countries. Please check my another thread about GPI.
Yes manners, check it out you will have a laugh, I know I did.LOL

[Astroboy]

South Korea's current account deficit has continued to increase to USD5.3 billion for the period of Jan - Jun 2008, up by some 230% from the previous year. SK government forecast the deficit will increase to USD10 billion by end of year 2008. South Korea suffered from import cost increase.
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/kaigai/asia/20080728D2M2801X28.html

Concidentally, value of SK currency WON has continued to decline. It is a sign of financial crisis of South Korea. Good timing for Japan to raise Takeshima issue as SK cannot ask Japan for financial help.

[caster51]

One can never underestimate the ability of Japan, Korea and China to bicker, insult and generally behave like pathetic wagamamas to each other ad nauseum.

The Japanese is too gentle to the South Korean.
I think It is not good for each other
South Korean　can not distinguish the gentle from the weak
they　can not distinguish the strong from the bad and the justice, either.
Associating with the South Korean is very troublesome.
Chinese's opinion is also the same for it.
However, we have to endure and associate with them.

they do not know the concept "Equality"
it is very important who are getting a dominant position in Korean society even individual preson.
It is a society that feels abnormality even if it sees from the Chinese of
individualism.

Sympathy to others and the spirits of affection of the South Korean who lives in such a society are none at all.
Therefore, feelings and the attitude of "Equal feeling" that the Japanese universally has and "Equality" look the South Korean like loser's attitude.

The Japanese doesn't understand the South Korean so much though Chinese understands South Korean's frivolous spirit well.
The problem occurs because the Japanese thinks and treats the Korean "Decent human"

Chinese advises to the Japanese about korean.
The Japanese must associate with the South Korean like a dog with thought
it is good for korean. Never apologize.

Punish 100 times when the Korean say the reason without logical..
Touch the gratitude so that the king may give the vassal the reward.
Neither the just argument nor the reason are significant. Move them by compulsion and the instruction.

You must not put warm-hearted against the betrayal.
Keep ordering that cannot be executed by them.
And, keep blaming the thing that cannot be done.

[Astroboy]

Meanwhile, almost the whole of Europe has become a border-free zone...

LOL. Until the end of 20th century, Europeans continued genocide in Europe - especially Balcan or former Yugoslavia. And the troop from your country may have done nothing in front of genocide.

War, Genocide, Rape and Raciam is nature of Europe, Don't forget.

[manners]

I thought this was about Takeshima.

[Drew-san]

I think his point was more of, what Europe has become. Not what it has done, and hopes Asia can eventually change for the good too.

[Anyaaa]

"South Korea claims it as Korean territory from records that date back to the sixth century during the Unified Shilla period and on the 1900 Korean Empire ordinance officially incorporating three islands into modern Ulleung County. Japanese claims come from seventeenth century records, as well as a "terra nullius" incorporation in 1905. Today, South Korea classifies the islets as a part of Ulleung County, North Gyeongsan Province, while Japan classifies them as part of Okinoshima, in Oki District, Shimane Prefecture. "

"The islets are 215 kms from mainland Korea and 250 kms from mainland Japan. The nearest Korean territory Ulleung-do is 87 kms away and can be visible on fair days the nearest Japanese territory Oki Islands is 157 kms away."

So, not only are the islands nearer to Korea, but they were claimed as Korean 1000 years before the Japanese claimed them?

Forgive my ignorance, but this situation seems to have been considerably blown out of proportion.

[theAlphaDuck]

i think personally...you won't get them back until you have an army.

because the USA is not going to start ANOTHER war in Korea over some tiny rocks it doesn't care about and have nil tactical value...

and the UN won't do squat to South Korea because it has done SO well with it's sunshine politics towards North Korea..

infact internationally if Japan Moves to take these islands back (even using diplomacy)...it will be seen as an agressive move....and we ALL know what heppened the last time Japan started taking islands...

Japan will demand the islands back...
South Korea will put 100 men on the islands
and China will see a wonderfull way to piss off Japan and Cement relations with its nice rich neighbour by declaring that It will support South Korea should any armed conflict arise..

this means the US or ANY western power won't go near it...as we are all busy trying to be china's friend...but don't want to be put in a position where it's proven to the world that China is now top dog

Russia will also move to block ANY re-ownership moves on japanese islands..

thus the UN won't say squat....because 2 of the 5 security council will DEF. objects to japan...
the UK...will Object to japan cos were trying to get china on side...

the koreans are already working on the US...
and the french...well there french...but that probably means they are not going to go against china either.

so in short...your not getting them back...

unlucky

[Astroboy]

According to Japan's Sankei News, South Korean Prime Minister (I don't know the name but .... must be either Kim or Park or similar) visited Takeshima island to demonstrate "This is mine!". Reportedly South Korea is scheduled to implement military training near the island.

Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Machimura says "Better not play in the island".

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/korea/080729/kor0807291258000-n1.jpg (South Korean Prime Minister)

Famous Korean fire storm for protesting Japan in front of Japanese Embassy in Seoul

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/korea/080729/kor0807292014003-p1.jpg

[Astroboy]

Anti-Japan protestors dropping eggs and tomato on J-flag in front of Japanese embassy in Seoul.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/korea/080729/kor0807292014003-p2.jpg

Another tomato & egg protest

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/korea/080729/kor0807292014003-p3.jpg

Not mixed feeling but mixed smell of eggs & tomatoes

[Astroboy]

Protest continues Day & Night

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/photos/world/korea/080729/kor0807292014003-p4.jpg

To Korean protestors, please do not forget cleanup before you go home !

[Hezam]

where is the Koean Gov ?
i think the Gov is protesting with them lol.

[theAlphaDuck]

well with such grass-roots support the south Korean PM will have no trouble putting a millitary presence on the islands...and when he does...as i explained....

its game over Japan

[Anyaaa]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see any proof that 'Takeshima' belongs to Japan yet. All you seem to be doing is complaining about Koreans =/

[Hezam]

and why should we fight each other while we can live our life in any place we want ?
does'nt the corean able to live in this 'Takeshima' ?
So it's meaningless if it become a part of any country.
Those politicians only cause the problems between people around the world only for their self-interest.

[Taiko666]

I think his point was more of, what Europe has become. Not what it has done, and hopes Asia can eventually change for the good too.

Thanks Drew-san, perhaps I was being a bit cryptic. Europe tore itself apart in the 20thC (two world wars, the raising and tearing down of the Iron Curtain, the Balkans disaster(s) etc) but begins the 21stC in a condition which, if you consider its history, is amazingly harmonious.

The Japan / Korea / China relationship never seems to move on, and never will while squabbles such as the current one persist.

[caster51]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see any proof that 'Takeshima' belongs to Japan yet. All you seem to be doing is complaining about Koreans =/

i think korean should insist it in the trial.
Why do they run away?

http://www.geocities.jp/tanaka_kunitaka/takeshima/frus.jpg
FRUS stands for Foreign Relations of the United States, published by the Department of State of the U.S. government. Those books are consist of the collection of top secret documentations and telegrams.

http://www.geocities.jp/tanaka_kunitaka/takeshima/frus1.jpg

----------- November 14, 1949. -----------

FRUS 1949 volume 7 page898 and900
740.0011 PW(Peace)/11-1449
The Acting Political Adviser in Japan (Sebald) to the Secretary of State
Tokyo, November 14, 1949.
SECRET
495. For Butterworth: General MacArther and I have independently given careful study and consideration to the November 2 draft treaty forwarded under cover of your letter November 4, minus chapter 5 reserved for security provisions. General MacArthur submits the following observations: (omit)The following are our preliminary comments concerning those provisions which we consider of high importance:

Article 4: Presumably security provisions will effect eventual determination Taiwan and adjacent islands. Suggest consideration question of trusteeship for Taiwan consequent upon plebiscite.

Article 5, paragraph2: Japan will unquestionably advance strong claim to Etorofu, Kunashiri, Habomai, and Shikotan. Believe United States should support such claim and due allowance made in draft for peculiarities this situation. Consider problem highly important in view questions permanent boundary and fisheries.

Article 6: Recommend reconsideration Liancourt Rocks (Takeshima). Japan`s claim to these islands is old and appears valid.Security Considerations might conceivably envisage weather and radar stations thereon.(omit)







----------- Undated in 1950. -----------

FRUS 1950 volume6 page1327 and 1328
694.001/10-2650
Undated Memorandum by Mr. Robert A. Fearey of the Office of Northeast Asian Affairs
[Washington]
SECRET
Answers to Questions Submitted by the Australian Government Arising Out of the Statement of Principles Regarding Japanese Treaty Prepared by the United States Government

(omit)
It is thought that the island of the Inland Sea, Oki Retto, Sado, Okujiri, Rebun, Rishiri, Tsushima,Takeshima , the Goto Archipelago, the northernmost Ryukyus, and the Izus, all long recognized as Japanese, would be retained by Japan.(omit)






----------- July 19, 1951. -----------

FRUS 1951 volume6 page 1202&1203
Memorandum of Conversation, by the Officer in Change of Korean Affairs in the Office of Northeast Asian Affairs (Emmons)
[Washington,] July 19, 1951.
SECRET
Subject: Japanese Peace Treaty
Participants: Dr. Yu Chan Yang, Korean Ambassador
Mr. Pyo Wook Han, First Secretary,Korean Embassy
Ambassador John Foster Dulles
Mr. Arthur B. Emmons, 3rd., Officer in Charge, Korean Affairs

The Korean Ambassador called upon Mr. Dulles at 2 o`clock this afternoon by prior appointment. In opening the conversation Dr. Yang presented Mr. Dulles with a note addressd to the Secretary (copy attached) raising certain points which the Korean Govenment wished to have considered for incorporation in the Japanese peace treaty.(omit)

Mr. Dulles noted that paragraph1 of the Korean Ambassador`s communication made no reference to the Island of Tsushima and the Korean Ambassador agreed that this had been omitted. Mr. Dulles then inquired as to the location of the two islands, Dokdo and Parangdo. Mr. Han stated that these were two small islands lying in the Sea of Japan, he believed in the general vicinity of Ullungdo. Mr. Dulles asked whethr these islands had been Korean before the Japanese annexation, to which the Ambassador replied in the affirmative. If that were the case, Mr. Dulles saw no particular problem in including these islands in the petinent part of the treaty which related to the renunciation of Japanese territorial claims to Korean territory.(omit)

This normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiction of the Oki Islands Branch Office of Shiname Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea.

http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/enjoybbs/viewphoto/phistory/66000/20060527114872649659206000.jpg
http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/enjoybbs/viewphoto/phistory/66000/20060527114872653551440000.jpg

http://photoimg.enjoyjapan.naver.com/view/enjoybbs/viewphoto/phistory/66000/20060527114872655994495000.jpg

[Astroboy]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see any proof that 'Takeshima' belongs to Japan yet. All you seem to be doing is complaining about Koreans =/

Regarding the issue of Takeshima, Japan's official statement can be seen at
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-pa...ima/index.html
That's all about.

So, let's enjoy Korean unpredictable reaction. :blush:

[Astroboy]

Korea has started military training near Takeshima Island.

According to Korean Yonhap News, SK deployed 2 F-15 Jet Fighters, 1 P-3C, anti-submarine helicopter, 6 naval ships, and some smaller ships.
http://japanese.yonhapnews.co.kr/headline/2008/07/30/0200000000AJP20080730003100882.HTML

http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/Basic/Article/JP/20080730/20080730171043_bodyfile.bmp

I really don't know why they are so desparate !

[Astroboy]

3 Korean members of Korea National Dokto (Takeshima in Japanese) Defense Association or something similar visits Japan and make demonstration in front of Japan's Minsitry of Education.

http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/Basic/Article/JP/20080730/20080730162550_bodyfile.bmp

Welcome to Japan, all the way from South Korea, but looks like a street performer.

[pipokun]

What I don't understand about the Korean attitudes on this issue except their nationalistic behaviors is the reason why they have refused to go to Hague, the International Court of Justice, to resolve this peacefully.

About 30 years have already passed since South Korea democratized.

[Hezam]

:sick: i dont understand why the still protesting !

[Hezam]

edited by Hezam,No comment

[Anyaaa]

What is the purpose of this thread? To discuss the matter of 'Takeshima' or to childishly insult Koreans?

[Hezam]

Ok Anayaaa,i edit my post ^^
Thanks for you Comment.

[theAlphaDuck]

What is the purpose of this thread? To discuss the matter of 'Takeshima' or to childishly insult Koreans?


i agree....

there is just TOO much Korea bashing going on...

funny as there are probably only about 3 genetic markers between your two peoples....

which is the case for ALMOST all neighbouring countries...

except England and France of course...

Astro-boy seems very passionate about this topic.....
but perhaps come to the grim realisation that YOU WILL NEVER GET IT BACK.

what can you DO to Korea?

NOTHING?

[Hezam]

i wish i can see the world as one country,No hate No Greed,No war....

[Astroboy]

:sick: i dont understand why the still protesting !

Me Neither. But Looks like the same pattern as before

[bammbamm&pebbles]

Protesting of all sorts is ' norm ' in S Korea.

Takeshima sovereignty isn't incontestible,Japan indeed have occupied those rocks in the past.

[grapefruit]

If I remember correctly, didn't the incorporation of the island into Japan lead to the full-scale process of annexation to Japan? If that is true, there is no mystery about their overreaction. Korea is still haunted by horrifying memories inflected by Japan. What is more, the success of virtually any kind is measured against the Japanese equivalent.
Until the country moves out of the current state of insecurity, the attitude of the Korean people will probably not drastically change.

[Astroboy]

If I remember correctly, didn't the incorporation of the island into Japan lead to the full-scale process of annexation to Japan? If that is true, there is no mystery about their overreaction. Korea is still haunted by horrifying memories inflected by Japan. What is more, the success of virtually any kind is measured against the Japanese equivalent.
Until the country moves out of the current state of insecurity, the attitude of the Korean people will probably not drastically change.

I think Koreans try to incorprate the island with history of Japanese annexation of Korea, while it has nothing to do with it. Please look at my starting post of this thread. There is no history isssue between Japan and others, including South Korea.

But of course, so-called history card is likely important for the Koreans and Korean-background residents in Japan, USA, etc. to steal islands.:blush:

[grapefruit]

I am not an expert on history so I cannot say for sure which country holds the proper right to the island. And, probably the case made by the Korean side lacks enough evidence.
But, it is certain that Koreans are reacting more to the symbolic meaning of the action that Japanese are engaging in. To their eyes, the Japanese claim appears similar to what Japan did during the pre-annexation period.
Whether the link between these two events is substantiated or not, it is obvious that Koreans are not in the mood to settle down and calmly discuss the issue. I don't think provocation is a reasonable way to solve a problem when the opponent ostensibly displays illogical and emotional responses.
In the current state of affairs, Japan's move is nothing but a provocation, since the country lacks resources to bring back the island under their sovereignty. The Self-defense forces cannot attack the island. It can only defend.
As long as the government provides financial support to those fishermen who lost their place to do their business, Japan would gain more by not provoking the neighbor. It can be likened to living in an apartment. The residents need to find a way to get along. Otherwise the situation can escalate. One difference, though, is that there is no police to intermediate between the two parties when it comes to international relations.:-)

[Astroboy]

I am not an expert on history so I cannot say for sure which country holds the proper right to the island. And, probably the case made by the Korean side lacks enough evidence.
But, it is certain that Koreans are reacting more to the symbolic meaning of the action that Japanese are engaging in. To their eyes, the Japanese claim appears similar to what Japan did during the pre-annexation period.
Whether the link between these two events is substantiated or not, it is obvious that Koreans are not in the mood to settle down and calmly discuss the issue. I don't think provocation is a reasonable way to solve a problem when the opponent ostensibly displays illogical and emotional responses.
In the current state of affairs, Japan's move is nothing but a provocation, since the country lacks resources to bring back the island under their sovereignty. The Self-defense forces cannot attack the island. It can only defend.
As long as the government provides financial support to those fishermen who lost their place to do their business, Japan would gain more by not provoking the neighbor. It can be likened to living in an apartment. The residents need to find a way to get along. Otherwise the situation can escalate. One difference, though, is that there is no police to intermediate between the two parties when it comes to international relations.:-)

I think J-givernment has continued to tell South Korea "Let's go to International Court" for the past 50 years.

Or you want Japan to keep quiet only ?

[grapefruit]

I think J-givernment has continued to tell South Korea "Let's go to International Court" for the past 50 years.
Or you want Japan to keep quiet only ?

It would be great if Japan could bring Korea to the court. But, my understanding of the way in which most of the territorial disputes have been resolved is that the disputing two parties find middle ground between themselves, rarely relying on an international institution. Probably this is because there is no enforcement of submission to the ruling of the court. If the parties cannot reach a compromise or unwilling to go to court, then the two sides might engage in war, as seen in the conflict between Russia and Georgia. The latter scenario does not apply since the Japanese self-defense forces cannot invade.

With the island successfully occupied and controlled by the Koreans, there is no incentive for them to contest in the court. Also, among the current 15 judge positions is a Japanese judge but no member from Korea.

Even if Japan manages to bring Korea to the court, the prospect of smooth enforcement of the court’s decision seems dim. The enforcing authority of its decision is the UN, viewed by many as a defunct institution. Also, the current secretary of the UN is Korean.

Given the low probability of successfully regaining the sovereignty of the island, it seems, unfortunately, wise and beneficial to the relationship of the two countries if Japan behaves more yielding. We all know that Japanese people are good at it.:blush:

[Astroboy]

It would be great if Japan could bring Korea to the court. But, my understanding of the way in which most of the territorial disputes have been resolved is that the disputing two parties find middle ground between themselves, rarely relying on an international institution. Probably this is because there is no enforcement of submission to the ruling of the court. If the parties cannot reach a compromise or unwilling to go to court, then the two sides might engage in war, as seen in the conflict between Russia and Georgia. The latter scenario does not apply since the Japanese self-defense forces cannot invade.
With the island successfully occupied and controlled by the Koreans, there is no incentive for them to contest in the court. Also, among the current 15 judge positions is a Japanese judge but no member from Korea.
Even if Japan manages to bring Korea to the court, the prospect of smooth enforcement of the court’s decision seems dim. The enforcing authority of its decision is the UN, viewed by many as a defunct institution. Also, the current secretary of the UN is Korean.
Given the low probability of successfully regaining the sovereignty of the island, it seems, unfortunately, wise and beneficial to the relationship of the two countries if Japan behaves more yielding. We all know that Japanese people are good at it.:blush:

It is likely that you are seeking excuse for excuse.
Japan is not in a hurry, being always quiet. Life is long, and the isalnd never disappear. Plus the island is not the place where people can live.
But SK is nosiy, while you say ...successfully occupying the island. In addition, they are spending lots of money to "protect" the isalnd.
So, I am very intersted in the situation.

It is a good idea for J-government to raise Takeshima territorial issue ONCE a Year to awaken SK government. Only making some comments, without any money, will be more than enough to let them make candle demo.
Don't you think so ? :blush:

[Hezam]

Astroboy do they still protesting ?? lol

[Astroboy]

Astroboy do they still protesting ?? lol

Not in the past 1-2 weeks because J-gov, media and people are queit and neglecting their overreaction. Probably they may realize that they look foolish. :blush:

[GodEmperorLeto]

Over here in Korea they are printing T-shirts that say in English, "Do you know? Dok-do [Takeshima] belongs to Korea!"

I have conversations about Dok-do/Takeshima constantly. I can't avoid them. My coworkers bring them up. My neighbors bring them up. Korea Telecom took out a full-page ad in The New York Times stating that Dok-do is Korea's.

The conversation usually ends up like this:

Me: Why is Dok-do Korea's? It's two rocks. They're worthless.
Korean: But they are our rocks.
Me: How are they yours?
Korean: They belong to Korea.
Me: Yes, but Japan says they belong to Japan.
Korean: They are lying. The TV and the government said so.
Me: Where is your proof that Dok-do belongs to Korea?
Korean: ... It just does.

Great rhetoric here. I've actually done some research into the whole thing and it appears that the rocks (I refuse to call them islands) are the source of a fishing dispute, which is corollary to why the Koreans are p--sed that some people call it "the Sea of Japan" rather than the "East Sea" (like the Koreans call it). The Koreans have, in my opinion, a slightly stronger claim, but that's it--a claim. There's no real 100% authoritative, objective proof that the Liancourt Rocks fall within either nation's territory.

The best question to ask the Koreans, though is, "Are you willing to go to war with Japan over Dok-do." I've gotten a variety of responses, but never a "yes." Somehow, I think they know Japan would clean their clocks again if it ever came to blows.

I think the UN should declare it a wildlife refuge or drop a tactical nuclear bomb on it. Both countries are acting like children who can't share a toy.

[Astroboy]

I think the UN should declare it a wildlife refuge or drop a tactical nuclear bomb on it. Both countries are acting like children who can't share a toy.

As far as I know, somebody (Japanese politicians) already cited such some 50 years ago.

One more thing .... as you know, Japan is very quiet and acting very diplomatically, and ordinary Japanese are smiling as usual. However, Koreans know that they have FEW point :wave:

[GodEmperorLeto]

One more thing .... as you know, Japan is very quiet and acting very diplomatically, and ordinary Japanese are smiling as usual. However, Koreans know that they have FEW point
Actually, I think Korea's claim to the Liancourt Rocks is more solid than Japan's. It's just that Korea is tired of being the middle child that gets overlooked and kicked around. They are going to beat this issue to death because they want to win at least one victory against Japan in contemporary history. Korean culture sees itself as a victim, and they are like dog that's been kicked one too many times. They are desparate to get these damn rocks because it has become a symbol to them of their national pride. They'll do anything short of declare war to get them, no matter how underhanded.

I think the Japanese know this, so they are behaving much more moderately and diplomatically.

It still annoys me, though. Like I said, I think people should blow them up and then say, "Now nobody gets them."

[Astroboy]

Actually, I think Korea's claim to the Liancourt Rocks is more solid than Japan's. It's just that Korea is tired of being the middle child that gets overlooked and kicked around. They are going to beat this issue to death because they want to win at least one victory against Japan in contemporary history. Korean culture sees itself as a victim, and they are like dog that's been kicked one too many times. They are desparate to get these damn rocks because it has become a symbol to them of their national pride. They'll do anything short of declare war to get them, no matter how underhanded.
I think the Japanese know this, so they are behaving much more moderately and diplomatically.
It still annoys me, though. Like I said, I think people should blow them up and then say, "Now nobody gets them."

Everybody knows that. That's why Japan "sometimes" bring up this issue, letting us keep distance from them.

In other words, they try to provoke Japan to a quarrel as they know Japan will not offend. So, in a way, dangerous. But they are also a good customer of Japanese manufacturers.

One more thing for you. There was no war between Japan and Korea in the modern history, but Japan annexed them as they were uncivilized. If not, it was/is a part of Russia, and being same as North Korea. :blush:

[Hezam]

we should leave it to the Govs,people should stay quite and frienly.

[pipokun]

we should leave it to the Govs,people should stay quite and frienly.

Right. That is the reason why the International Court of Justice exists in Hague.

[grapefruit]

we should leave it to the Govs,people should stay quite and frienly.
But it defeats the purpose of this thread.:-)

[Astroboy]

But it defeats the purpose of this thread.:-)

The purpose of this thread is to let the world know the territorial isssue over the island. Takeshima is not a island that people can live, and thus it is not urgent matter for Japan. In fact, J-gov has waited for negotiation for more than 50 years.

Time is unlimited. So, it is good enough to raise the issue once a year.
Then the world could see and enjoy something interesting. :blush:

[Hezam]

lol,astroboy i belive that protesting will not change anything.Corea and japan should open a new page of relationship then they can live without worry about the future...
best wishes for the two people ^^

[grapefruit]

lol,astroboy i belive that protesting will not change anything.Corea and japan should open a new page of relationship then they can live without worry about the future...
best wishes for the two people ^^

I totally agree with that. More harms than benefits would be brought in if the Japanese side continues to evoke the Korean people.

[Astroboy]

LOL. That's why I said.

Time is unlimited. So, it is good enough to raise the issue once a year.

Let's enjoy it !

[Otto]

Personally I am not too interested in this issue. I do enjoy reading people’s opinions regarding topics they are passionate about. Astroboy said time is unlimited and, Takeshima will always be there. Just like the Israeli-Palestinian territory issue, this topic will never fade. I guess……….. I do know that in 1 billion years or so our sun will go super nova and our solar system will no longer exist. ^0^
Would anybody really care about Takeshima or Jeruzalem then? So Astroboy! You don’t have forever!^0^