U.S. wants to create trouble between Japan, China and Korea

[Astroboy]

A U.S. official said Japan has to apologize for sex slavery during World War II.

Why only Japan? How about the U.S. for killing thousands of innocent Vietnamese women and children by dropping chemical weapons, bringing African people by force as slaves, displacing and killing American natives? Are those things OK?

The American official further said that the United States wants to put its friend on the right track. How about your friend Australia? Did Australia apologize for kidnapping Aboriginal children from their parents in the 60s? Did they apologize for killing so many Aboriginals?

Does the U.S. really want to put Tokyo on the right track, or create trouble between Japan, China and Korea? The U.S. wants to fulfil its own goals by destabilizing the region!
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=17377


Majority of Japanese are well aware of the US (+EU) real intenstion behind. That's why J-government keep low profile and not get caught in the trap.
Probably.... they are afraid of the growing regional power of Asia. But it is likely that US strength has been shrinking by its own, while Japan do nothing. :blush:

[alantin]

Well.. I think, Japan's denial (Or "hush, hush" attitude) of the atrocities of the WWII has created more trouble between it's neighbors than US ever could.

What would the US have to gain from such attempts anyway..?

I don't think that, what other countries have done, has anything to do with Japan's situation. Nations act hypocritical anyway..
In my opinion Japan only has much trust to gain by apologizing although I can understand it being hard to swallow up the pride and apologize to nations they once so boldly set off to conquer.

[Mike Cash]

I thought Clinton already went to Africa and apologized for the slavery thing.

Interesting that Al Jazeera couldn't think of anything for the Arab world to apologize for....

[ArmandV]

Wow! I didn't know that if a nation apologized for its past sins that all is forgiven and made right. Amazing! :rolleyes:

[alantin]

Wow! I didn't know that if a nation apologized for its past sins that all is forgiven and made right. Amazing! :rolleyes:


You really think so?

Cuz that's not what I said. :rolleyes:

What I did say is that it is a major step to the right direction.

I take it, you disagree..?

[ArmandV]

Why do we need an apology anyway? The surrendered!

Besides, the current generation of Japanese had nothing to do with the war.

[alantin]

Why do we need an apology anyway? The surrendered!
Besides, the current generation of Japanese had nothing to do with the war.

That's true. And mostly don't even seem to know about the "dark side" of it as I understand.

But still the more appropriate question would be, why would we not need an apology.. It isn't about the current generation or individual people when we speak about actions conducted as a whole nation. I think, showing remorse would help make better the way Japan is perceived in the eyes of the neighboring nations.
Japan surrendered under the threat of nuclear weapons. Does that make the past sins right?

[Hezam]

Why do we need an apology anyway?
i think America should apologize not only for Japan,you know that well.
but we want to forget the past,and begine with a new page and we must avoid any mistakes in the future.
i know well that there are many good people in America and around the world,and i belive that the most is good ^^.

Hezam

[KirinMan]

How many times does a country have to apologize before people let things go?

It's not about apologizes, it's about getting compensation.

[Glenski]

I don't think Japan has really, truly apologized or compensated for their behavior.

[Astroboy]

I don't think Japan has really, truly apologized or compensated for their behavior.

LOL. If you have free time, check MOFA website.

Meantine, I absolutely don't know about any piece of apology and compensation of historic crimes of:

1. USA
2. UK
3. Australia
4. France
5. Holland
6. Russia
7. China
8. South Korea

An International league of history fabricators and crime deniers

[Otenba]

What would the US have to gain from such attempts anyway..?

I don't think that, what other countries have done, has anything to do with Japan's situation. Nations act hypocritical anyway..

If that "trouble" between China, Japan and Korea would come to pass, the US would have to gain: the chance to "intervene" (aka invade, blow up and torture) those countries, play hero and savior and while at the same time carressing their "reputation" of being world police & savior, they, as that "savior" have, of course, every right to take whatever comes their way. Riches, technology, people...

No, you are right, what other countries have done doesn't make Japan better but there are countries that have done too much to qualify to point at others. As mentioned before: black slaves, butchered Natives, molten Japanese, and hey, when they invaded Germany, they killed more civilians than "bad guys". No, wait a sec, they did that whereever they went! Silly me!

As for recent reasons to apologize, has anything more than "Sorry but we do this for the sake of world peace (the word "world" is actually an American English synonym for "USA") so stfu" ever come concerning Guantanamo?

If Belgium wasn't so small and stuff, we'd be at gun point too for not apologizing for Marc Dutroux... When the US need something, they take it by taking a menacing posture, trying to make it look like diplomacy and when that don't work - BOOM :cool:

The fear of that "boom" noise is pretty much the main reason why the US manage to bend so many countries their way. Ruling through fear and violence may be an effective way of ruling indeed, but, allow me to be naieve, how do they fool their conscience so well with all the "God bless" and stuff...

Japan should apologize, but not only Japan and not on orders of the US who should start writing a looooooooooong list of apologies too and practice some sincerity while they're at it. What do the US think they are, the Olymp?
As long as the countries bothered by Japan don't ask for an apology themselves, the not re-al-ly that much concerned US might as well shut it.

In short, it's not a matter of "is Japan that bad" but of "are the US any better". And when you got that much dirt under your own carpet, don't tell others to clean theirs. Japan may have alot of dirt under its carpet, but we also don't see Japan policing the world like an army of saints.

[KirinMan]

I don't think Japan has really, truly apologized or compensated for their behavior.
I was going to link to the page in particular but the link doesnt connect.

Compensation is a sticky issue, the Asian Women's Fund (http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/dissolution.html) was set up as a quasi private foundation to deal with the issue of compensation but few women took advantage of it because it was not "officially" a government entity. The fund was discontinued in March of 2007.

There is another thread here dealing with the topic of Comfort Women (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30175&page=22).

The Fund was established as a means of expressing the government's awareness, remorse and apologies concerning the comfort women issues as expressed in the 1993 statement by Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono on August 4. The Fund had three specific missions: to express atonement to the former comfort women at a national level, combining compensation from citizen donations and medical welfare support from government funds; to collect and edit historical documents related with the issue and use them for historical lessons;to reflect on past mistakes of violating women's dignity and assist projects that deal with current women's issues such as violence.

The basic idea with the Atonement Project on former comfort women was to hand every former comfort woman a letter of apology from the Prime Minister together with two million yen in compensation and medical welfare support. The amount of medical welfare support was 1.2 million yen in The Philippines and 3 million yen in Korea and Taiwan. We had implemented the project for 285 former comfort women in The Philippines, Korea and Taiwan, and we completed the necessary procedures. In the Netherlands, we conducted medical welfare support worth 3 million yen to each of a total of 79 individuals.


However in regards to the issue of apologizes I think that a part of the problem that exists is that while the government, or representatives of the government have made apologies in the past, there never seems to have been any official acknowledgement of the history of the Comfort Women nor has it been included as a part of schools curricullum.

[Astroboy]

I was going to link to the page in particular but the link doesnt connect.
Compensation is a sticky issue, the Asian Women's Fund (http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/dissolution.html) was set up as a quasi private foundation to deal with the issue of compensation but few women took advantage of it because it was not "officially" a government entity. The fund was discontinued in March of 2007.
There is another thread here dealing with the topic of Comfort Women (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30175&page=22).
However in regards to the issue of apologizes I think that a part of the problem that exists is that while the government, or representatives of the government have made apologies in the past, there never seems to have been any official acknowledgement of the history of the Comfort Women nor has it been included as a part of schools curricullum.

So when USA apologized/compensated to the genocides of innocent citizens in Horoshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ...... Native Indians, Hawaii, etc.... Mr son of genocideers?

[KirinMan]

So when USA apologized/compensated to the genocides of innocent citizens in Horoshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ...... Native Indians, Hawaii, etc.... Mr son of genocideers?

Geez has Satsuma apologized to Okinawa for invading it? Why arent we making the Mongolians pay compensation for the invasions of Ghengis Khan? How about compensation to the innocents in the 100 year war? :rolleyes:

Mr son of genocideers
Here is my reply to you.....it aint PC but it gets my point across and I am not going to argue with you.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/lonelyverd/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

[Astroboy]

Geez has Satsuma apologized to Okinawa for invading it? Why arent we making the Mongolians pay compensation for the invasions of Ghengis Khan? How about compensation to the innocents in the 100 year war? :rolleyes:
Here is my reply to you.....it aint PC but it gets my point across and I am not going to argue with you.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/lonelyverd/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

So you are escaping ... Like the above him .... when it's inconvenient ?

[alantin]

So when USA apologized/compensated to the genocides of innocent citizens in Horoshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ...... Native Indians, Hawaii, etc.... Mr son of genocideers?


I don't really see how these kinds of remarks serve to further this conversation towards any constructive end..


By the way. That pic was funny! :cool:
Although very depressing..

[Admin JP]

Thread closed for obvious reasons.