What Chinese concept does the Japanese Yomi come from?

[kireikoori]

I've been told by people that everything of ancient Japanese culture is of Chinese origin.
So then I was curious as to what concept Japanese got Yomi from that was Chinese in origin.

[soykan]

Sorry, but the frequency of inconsistencies in their books lead me to believe that Japan does not accept the world view of human evolution, that is to say, Japan believe that they are a different breed of chosen from their Tenno-Heika, just like how God made Adam and Eve...... The similarities is according to them is coincidental...

Ishihara once put it this way: "we don't have criminal genes", indicating that he believes that Nihon-jin and that it is necessary to distinguish between Nihon-homosapien and Gaijin-homosapien, from a nationalist view that is.

[undrentide]

I've been told by people that everything of ancient Japanese culture is of Chinese origin.
So then I was curious as to what concept Japanese got Yomi from that was Chinese in origin.

I don't think "everything" but it is true that Chinese culture gave great influence to Japan over centuries.
What kind of "yomi" are you referring to, by the way?
I first thought you're talking about the pronunciation of kanji (読み like on-yomi) but then I thought perhaps you are talking about 黄泉 (another yomi - the place where dead people are supposed to go).
:clueless:

Sorry, but the frequency of inconsistencies in their books lead me to believe that Japan does not accept the world view of human evolution, that is to say, Japan believe that they are a different breed of chosen from their Tenno-Heika, just like how God made Adam and Eve...... The similarities is according to them is coincidental...

Ishihara once put it this way: "we don't have criminal genes", indicating that he believes that Nihon-jin and that it is necessary to distinguish between Nihon-homosapien and Gaijin-homosapien, from a nationalist view that is.

Where did you get such an idea?
I'm Japanese and I've been living in Japan since my birth, yet I've never heard that "Japan does not accept the world view of human evolution".
:okashii:

[kireikoori]

I'm talking about the Yomi concept of hell. It seems patently different that the Buddhist concept of Naraka.

soykan, what on earth does this have to do with the thread and it's discussion? Otherwise I'm reporting you.

[Glenn]

Have you checked out either the Japanese (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%BB%84%E6%B3%89) or English Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yomi) pages on it?

[kireikoori]

I've checked the English one but it doesn't go into much detail on the "Yellow Springs" thing.

[Glenn]

It seems to have come from the Chinese view of the land of the dead, 黄泉 (Huáng quán,) which possibly merged with an existing Japanese idea of an afterworld. That's all I could find.

[Emoni]

Oh no... not another "I love Japan! I want to live there, I want to go to Japanese hell and everything in life is going to be wonderful living with the undead just like in all the anime" people! Phah, you annoy the hell out of me!! *Grar*

Anyway, don't discount Korea here. I'm limited on my knowledge of Korea itself; however, there are numerous instances of shared cultural practices and concepts that may have entered Japan from China or Japan via Korea. In some cases you might find more information on interpretations or beliefs like this in Korea as well that may have carried over to Japan, both originating from China. This is a bit of a guess however, as I'm not familiar with the subject much and traditional Korean beliefs.

Finally, don't rule out checking into Hinduism beliefs in hell that may have carried over to China as well.

[caster51]

yomi is a japanese word
then ,黄泉　in kanji was applied like Manyoshu。

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZAk1tUfqUOcC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=%E3%83%A8%E3%83%9F+%E9%BB%84%E6%B3%89%E3%80%80&source=web&ots=O_8LSrpOHs&sig=VRjCtANlO3kv_W98w0EiXQXJTaU&hl=ja&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result

http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~jin/S500M3B.htm
http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~jin/GOGEN.html

[kireikoori]

Oh no... not another "I love Japan! I want to live there, I want to go to Japanese hell and everything in life is going to be wonderful living with the undead just like in all the anime" people! Phah, you annoy the hell out of me!! *Grar*
Stop trolling. Reported.

[Emoni]

Stop trolling. Reported.

Wow... what is wrong with you? Trolling? Did you actually read my post? You know, the TWO-THIRDS of it that directly covering what you were speaking of? You know... this BIG PART right here below the short joking comment?


Anyway, don't discount Korea here. I'm limited on my knowledge of Korea itself; however, there are numerous instances of shared cultural practices and concepts that may have entered Japan from China or Japan via Korea. In some cases you might find more information on interpretations or beliefs like this in Korea as well that may have carried over to Japan, both originating from China. This is a bit of a guess however, as I'm not familiar with the subject much and traditional Korean beliefs.

Finally, don't rule out checking into Hinduism beliefs in hell that may have carried over to China as well.

Furthermore, as some one who is an Asian Studies major interested in the same sorts of topics, spent two years of study in Japan, and has a friend who actually runs a Buddhist temple in Japan I came back online looking into things a bit further for you planning on posting further information... and I find this rude, ungrateful, narrow minded, reply left by you! It is unwarranted exaggerations like this that bring down the mood of JRef even more than it has been recently. Heck, in some ways the whole mood has effectively become one that of a gated senior community.

You will get no further replies from me, nor any further information or posts in the future. I hope you find what you are looking for, but I hope you seriously reconsider the attitude that you hold going about doing it.

Good luck.

[kireikoori]

Wow... what is wrong with you? Trolling? Did you actually read my post? You know, the TWO-THIRDS of it that directly covering what you were speaking of? You know... this BIG PART right here below the short joking comment?
I hear people say things like that a lot. Most of the time they aren't joking.
And even with the stuff you said below, it sounded serious. I apologize for the misconception.

I don't see how reporting rude behavior is rude itself. And I don't see how that's considered having an attitude when you're the one who made an offensive joke yourself.

You know what I give up. It's not even worth it anymore. **** the Asians, even the Japs. I'm tired of being interested in Japan and feeling like crap whenever I do. This just isn't worth it anymore. I will try to resign myself from doing anything Japanese or nonwhite ever again. My mind can't take this ****. You're right I'm gone, you can have the forum, while I go atone for my sins and stormfront.

[Ukonkivi]

Kireikoori, Emoni, both of you chill out.
The joke wasn't funny Emoni, and easily mistakable, and Kireikoori, way overreacting with that last bit. Quit being emo, nobody here hates you for being a weeaboo here.
Go watch some anime and make yourself feel better why don't you instead of sounding all emotional and self hating on the internet where nobody cares and it will only make things worse.

In any case, I think people who say "everything Japanese is Chinese origin or you're a racist and a nationalist and not understanding the obvious that Japan is an Asian country" is just propaganda. There's plenty of ancient aspects of ancient Japanese culture that are not Chinese in origin. To my knowledge the idea of Yomi comes from old Shinto, and not Buddhist or Taoist in origin, and you have to look back more to Ko-Shinto, which from my believe has connections to Siberian culture, since it seems to have such a strong connection the the modern Ainu. Whom lived also in Russia other than Japan.

Emoni, overreaction on your part as well. You're just escalating the drama. And please do consider continuing the thread. Because there are always more people interested in a thread than just the thread starter.

So my believe is that modern Shinto is a mixture of imported Taoism and Buddhism, and the Ko-Shinto before it being Siberian in origin, but still more "native" because it was way back in the Jomon period and Paleolithic period.
Yomi being one of those Siberian concepts.

[soykan]

Ukonkivi, where did you get the idea that east/siberian Russians are related to Japanese?? I haven't heard of that one, can you tell me more? I thought the anti-soviet and anti-communist propaganda that is the defining point of Japanese society would have done everything possible by Japanese to un-associate themselves with any ancestry from the former soviet siberian regions. I prefer a neutral scientific fact please.

[caster51]

Furthermore, as some one who is an Asian Studies major interested in the same sorts of topics, spent two years of study in Japan, and has a friend who actually runs a Buddhist temple in Japan I came back online looking into things a bit further for you planning on posting further information... and I find this rude, ungrateful, narrow minded, reply left by you! It is unwarranted exaggerations like this that bring down the mood of JRef even more than it has been recently. Heck, in some ways the whole mood has effectively become one that of a gated senior community.

I think people who say "everything Japanese is Chinese origin or you're a racist and a nationalist and not understanding the obvious that Japan is an Asian country" is just propaganda.

I think it is good for an Asian Studies to learn
Why do they invade Japanese culture ?
Recently, a kind of claims became popular in Korea. The claims is that most of Japanese culture originated from Korea. These claims are lack of reasonable grounds, but most of the claims can be read in English web pages. This is a subtle approach to spread their claims around the world.

What make Korean people believe unreasonable claims are two psychological reasons.......................................
http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/themeoftoday_e/themeoftoday_e2_new.htm

http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/index.htm

There are some unwritten facts in Korean history textbooks(note1).

As I wrote before, the modernization and independence by Japan is one of such historic taboos.

Related articles 1 2

Now I will introduce another historic taboo, which is ancient Japan's expansion to Korean Peninsula. Korean history textbooks do not describe this fact, too.

Japan's expansion is also recorded on Gwanggaeto(The king of Goguryeo(B.C.37?-A.D.668) stele, which is designated a World Heritage Site. But some historians of Korea or from Korea have claimed that this record did not originally supported ancient Japan's expansion because Japanese Army had altered this record. Though their claim turned out to be a groundless accusation, their claim have been preventing this stele from being subjected to study for years.

But do you wonder why Korean historians want to deny fighting off the invasion of ancient Japan ?
Korean textbooks describe proudly they fought off Hideyoshi's expansion. They also describes proudly Gwanggaeto fought off ancient Japan's expansion as his stele.
Why don't they accept ancient Japan's expansion?..............

2.Because they want to believe "they had given Japan first culture and civilization".
http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/data_room/13/Gwanggaeto.html

anyway, it is so stupid that it is said 奈良（なら。nara) is origin from korean word NARA. it is kind of trolling for asian studies like yomi (in korean)

[4321go]

Banned??

Why the 1# been banned?

invade Japanese culture ?caster51 , are you kidding?

[Chidoriashi]

He was not banned (I don't think), I'm pretty sure he retired his account because he was sick of the responses people were giving him. I don't know why it says "banned" when people voluntarily leave. Administration might want to adjust that to say "retired" or something.

Oh and caster is never kidding. Read some of his other posts, you two should get along great.:-) (sense the sarcasm)

[4321go]

He was not banned (I don't think), I'm pretty sure he retired his account because he was sick of the responses people were giving him. I don't know why it says "banned" when people voluntarily leave. Administration might want to adjust that to say "retired" or something.
Oh and caster is never kidding. Read some of his other posts, you two should get along great.:-) (sense the sarcasm)


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