Ask a Japanese American

[Japanese_American]

I look Japanese. I eat gohan with nattou. I eat sukiyaki, tororo, gobo and other Japanese food. I know how to use a hashi, but I am not Japanese. I am an American of Japanese ancestry and I have the best of both worlds...so to speak. If you're scared or embarrassed to ask a total stranger (gaijin) the experience or life as a Nikkei, ask me...P.S. I can't read, write or speak Japanese, but you wouldn't know it until I open my mouth.

[Taiko666]

I know how to use a hashi, but I am not Japanese.

Japan＿Americanさんは日本人じゃなくても、はしを使えられるの？おもしれい！

[Drew-san]

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.

[Half-n-Half]

If you're scared or embarrassed to ask a total stranger (gaijin) the experience or life as a Nikkei, ask me...P.S. I can't read, write or speak Japanese, but you wouldn't know it until I open my mouth.

Which side of the family? Or are both of your parents Japanese?

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question.

Erm, I just did :blush: does that count?

[Japanese_American]

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.

Well, they're asking. And speaking about anime, I'm not into that stuff. Well, I was, but Google Raideen UFO Daiapparon or Getta Robo

[Japanese_American]

Which side of the family? Or are both of your parents Japanese?
Erm, I just did :blush: does that count?
Don't worry, I'll answer.
My grandfather on my father side was originally from Fukushima prefecture, specifically Aizu/Wakamatsu. My father is a nisei making me a sansei. On my mother side, my mother was from Yamagata Shinjo-shi. I don't speak Japanese very well and I'm a nisei. Because of my lack of Japanese, I relate more on the sansei side than nisei. And much to the chagrin (funman) of Drew-san from Louisiana, I am still Japanese according to the hakujin (white people). How would I know? Google Executive Order 9066

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.
Oh and the surprise attack on December 7 1941 was not a surprise.
Hiroshima August 6, 1945, U.S. soldiers were killed in the blast too.
Not bad for a anime freak, eh?

[Japanese_American]

Japan＿Americanさんは日本人じゃなくても、はしを使� ｦられるの？おもしれい！

I am an American of Japanese ancestry. So I am an American. Boku ha Nikkei Americajin desu. kedo, Nihongo ha zenzen hanashimasen. Gomen ne?

[Mikawa Ossan]

And much to the chagrin (funman) of Drew-san from Louisiana, I am still Japanese according to the hakujin (white people). How would I know? Google Executive Order 9066
I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.

[Japanese_American]

I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.

Or he may be kokujin. But I digress. Well living here in the States, the first appearance makes the person. If you see an Irish or an Italian, you think: white. See an Asian? One thinks gaijin. It's the way the world revolves.

Mikawa, good question. Ask more. I loe it when Japanese people from Japan ask about us.

[Aurura]

Actually, when I see an Asian in American, I don't think "gaijin" since I've only recently learned what that word means... the first thing I usually think is "I wonder if they're Chinese? Japanese? Korean? Taiwane -- uh-oh, they see me looking at them! " *walks the other way swiftly* :blush:

[Japanese_American]

Actually, when I see an Asian in American, I don't think "gaijin" since I've only recently learned what that word means... the first thing I usually think is "I wonder if they're Chinese? Japanese? Korean? Taiwane -- uh-oh, they see me looking at them! " *walks the other way swiftly* :blush:
LOL But keep in mind, Asian American can also mean: Americans of Iraqi, Iranian, Afghani, Arabian, Russian and so on descent.

[Aurura]

Yes, I know.. I guess I could've used the term "Oriental" instead to try to be more precise, but that feels funny to say to me. Becaase it seems to describe a location more than a people.

[Japanese_American]

Yes, I know.. I guess I could've used the term "Oriental" instead to try to be more precise, but that feels funny to say to me. Becaase it seems to describe a location more than a people.

The term Oriental was created by statisticians and scientists to group folks in certain ethnic groups. Blacks were Negroids while whites were called Caucasoid. When self-identity became the forefront of self realization, the respective group dropped the terms and created their own. Negroid spawned black or African American (even though a white from South Africa is also an African American). oriental spawned Asian or Asian American. As Caucasoid or Caucasian to white. It's a self-identity issue and a matter of self-pride.

[nice gaijin]

So why relegate yourself to a term like "Japanese-American," which is clearly an "outsider's" term created to define your ethnic group? Why not just call yourself "American of Japanese descent" If you care so much to point out your heritage. There's also no need to pepper your English with Japanese words (for which there are perfectly fine English equivalents) when you've already pointed out that you don't speak, read or write Japanese...

I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.

And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.

Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.

[Japanese_American]

So why relegate yourself to a term like "Japanese-American," which is clearly an "outsider's" term created to define your ethnic group? Why not just call yourself "American of Japanese descent" If you care so much to point out your heritage. There's also no need to pepper your English with Japanese words (for which there are perfectly fine English equivalents) when you've already pointed out that you don't speak, read or write Japanese...
I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.
Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.
Firstly, I am not a compound adjective. And if you have to ask, contact an English professor.
Secondly, the title is not taken lightly. In the States, we are under-represented politically, and the self-imposed titles are used to promote our agenda. NCRR is an example Google NCRR or Nikkei for Civil Rights and Reparation.
I'm going to assume you are not of Japanese descent, so allow me to explain.
]I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
During the hearings of the NCRR (national Coalition for Redress and Reparation) in front of the U.S. Department of Justice, h t t p:// ww w. motherjones . com/news/feature/1998/09/ito.h t m l Lillian Baker was adamant in not recognizing the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2. Prior to the late President Ronald Reagan signing H.R. 442 to law P.L. 100-383, she would claim that the camps were used to protect the Americans from fifth column spies. She felt that camp was more of a summer camp than a prison camp. A concentration camp. From the first immigrants from China till the end of the war, Asians and pacific Islanders lost their identity. Here's a list of what they went through:
1600s
Chinese and Filipinos reach Mexico on ships of the Manila galleon.
1830s
Chinese "sugar masters" working in Hawaii. Chinese sailors and peddlers in New York.
1835
U.S. and China sign first treaty.
1848
Gold discovered in California. Chinese begin to arrive.
1850
California imposes Foreign Miner's Tax and enforces it mainly against Chinese miners, who often had to pay more than once.
1852
First group of 195 Chinese contract laborers land in Hawaii. Over 20,000 Chinese enter California. Chinese first appear in court in California. Missionary Willian Speer opens Presbyterian mission for Chinese in San Francisco.
1854
Chinese in Hawaii establish a funeral society, their first community association in the islands. People v. Hall rules that Chinese can't give testimony in court. U.S. and Japan sign first treaty.
1857
San Francisco opens a school for Chinese children (changed to an evening school two years later). Missionary Augustus Loomis arrives to serve the Chinese in San Francisco.
1858
California passes a law to bar entry of Chinese and "Mongolians."
1860
Japan sends a diplomatic mission to U.S.
1862
Six Chinese district associations in San Francisco form loose federation. California imposes a "police tax" of $2.50 a month on every Chinese.
1865
Central Pacific Railroad Co. recruits Chinese workers for the transcontinental railroad.
1867
Two thousand Chinese railroad workers strike for a week.
1868
U.S. and China sign Burlingame - Seward Treaty recognizing rights of their citizens to emigrate. Eugene Van Reed illegally ships 149 Japanese laborers to Hawaii. Sam Damon opens Sunday school for Chinese in Hawaii.
1869
Completion of first trancontinental railroad. J.H. Schnell takes several dozen Japanese to California to establish the Wakamatsu Tea and Silk Colony. Chinese Christian evangelist S.P. Aheong starts preaching in Hawaii.
1870
California passes a law against the importation of Chinese, Japanese, and "Mongolian" women for prostitution. Chinese railroad workers in Texas sue company for failing to pay wages.
1872
California's Civil Procedure Code drops law barring Chinese court testimony.
1875
Page Law bars entry of Chinese, Japanese, and "Mongolian" prostitutes, felons, and contract laborers.
1877
Anti-Chinese violence in Chico, California. Japanese Christians set up the Gospel Soceity in San Francisco, the first immigrant association formed by the Japanese.
1878
In re Ah Yup rules Chinese not eligible for naturalized citizenship.
1879
California's second constitution prevents municipalities and corporations from employing Chinese. California state legislature passes law requiring all incorporated towns and cities to remove Chinese outside of city limits, but U.S. circuit court declares the law unconstitutional.
1880
U.S. and China sign treaty giving the U.S. the right to limit but "not absolutely prohibit" Chinese immigration. Section 69 of California's Civil Code prohibits issuing of licenses for marriages between whites and "Mongolians, Negroes, mulattoes and persons of mixed blood."
1881
Hawaiian King Kalakaua visits Japan during his world tour. Sit Moon becomes pastor of the first Chinese Christian church in Hawaii.
1882
Chinese Exclusion Law suspends immigration of laborers for ten years. Chinese community leaders form Chinese Consolidated Benevolent Association (CCBA or Chinese Six Companies) in San Francisco. U.S. and Korea sign first treaty.
1883
Chinese in New York establish CCBA.
1884
Joseph and Mary Tape sue San Francisco school board to enroll their daughter Mamie in a public school. Chinese Six Companies sets up Chinese language school in San Francisco. United Chinese Society established in Honolulu. CCBA established in Vancouver. 1882 Chinese Exclusion Law amended to require a certificate as the only permissible evidence for reentry.
1885
San Francisco builds new segregated "Oriental School." Anti-Chinese violence at Rock Springs, Wyoming Territory. First group of Japanese contract laborers arrvies in Hawaii under the Irwin Convention.
1886
Residents of Tacoma, Seattle, and many places in the American West forcibly expel the Chinese. End of Chinese immigration to Hawaii. Chinese laundrymen win case in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, which declares that a law with unequal impact on different groups is discriminatory.
1888
Scott Act renders 20,000 Chinese reentry certificates null and void.
1889
First Nishi Hongwanji priest from Japan arrives in Hawaii. Chae Chan Ping v. U.S. upholds constitutionality of Chinese exclusion laws.
1892
Geary Law renews exclusion of Chinese laborerers for another ten years and requires all Cihnese to register. Fong Yue Ting v. U.S. upholds constitutionality of Geary Law.
1893
Japanese in San Francisco form first trade association, the Japanese Shoemakers' League. Attempts are made to expel Chinese from towns in sourthern California.
1894
Sun Yat-sen founds the Xingzhonghui in Honolulu. U.S. circuit court in Massachusetts declares in In re Saito that Japanese are ineligible for naturalization. Japanese immigration to Hawaii under Irwin Convention ends and emigration companies take over.
1895
Lem Moon Sing v. U.S. rules that district courts can no longer review Chinese habeas corpus petitions for landing in the U.S.
1896
Shinsei Kaneko, a Japanese Californian, is naturalized. Bubonic plague scare in Honolulu - Chinatown burned.
1897
Nishi Hongwanji includes Hawaii as a mission field.
1898
Wong Kim Ark v. U.S. decides that Chinese born in the U.S. can't be stripped of their citizenship. Japanese in San Francisco set up Young Men's Buddhist Association. U.S. annexes Hawaii and the Philippines.
1899
Chinese reformers Kang Youwei and Liang Qichao tour North America to recruit members for the Baohuanghui. First Nishi Hongwanji priests arrive in California and set up North American Buddhist Mission.
1990
Japanese Hawaiian plantation workers begin going to the mainland after the Organic Act ended contract labor. Bubonic plague scare in San Francisco - Chinatown cordoned and quarantined.
1902
Chinese exclusion extended for another ten years. Immigration officials and the police raid Boston's Chinatown and, without search warrants, arrest almost 250 Chinese who allegedly had no registration certificates on their persons.
1903
First group of Korean workers arrives in Hawaii. 1500 Japanese and Mexican sugar beet workers strike in Oxnard, California. Koreans in Hawaii form Korean Evangelical Society. Filipino students (pensionados) arrive in the U.S. for higher education.
1904
Chinese exclusion made indefinite and applicable to U.S. insular possessions. Japanese plantation workers engage in first organized strike in Hawaii. Punjabi Sikhs begin to enter British Columbia.
1905
Chinese in the U.S. and Hawaii support boycott of American products in China. Koreans establish Korean Episcopal Church in Hawaii and Korean Methodist Church in California. San Francisco School Board attempts to segregate Japanese schoolchildren. Korean emigration ends. Koreans in San Francisco form Mutual Assistance Society. Asiatic Exclusion League formed in San Francisco. Section 60 of California's Civil Code amended to forbid marriage between whites and "Mongolians."
1906
Anti-Asian riot in Vancouver. Japanese nurserymen form California Flower Growers' Association. Koreans establish Korean Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles. Japanese scientists studying the aftermath of the San Francisco earthquake are stoned.
1907
Japan and the U.S. reach "Gentlemen's Agreement" whereby Japan stops issuing passports to laborers desiring to emigrate to the U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt signs Executive Order 589 prohibiting Japanese with passports for Hawaii, Mexico, or Canada to reemigrate to the U.S. Koreans form United Korean Society in Hawaii. First group of Filipino laborers arrives in Hawaii. Asian Indians are driven out of Bellingham, Washington.
1908
Japanese form Japanese Association of America. Canada curbs Asian Indian immigrants by denying entry to immigrants who haven't come by "continuous journey" from their homelands (there is no direct shipping between Indian and Canadian ports). Asian Indians are driven out of Live Oak, California.
1909
Koreans form Korean Nationalist Association. 7000 Japanese plantation workers strike major plantations on Oahu for four months.
1910
Administrative measures used to restrict influx of Asian Indians into California.
1911
Pablo Manlapit forms Filipino Higher Wages Association in Hawaii. Japanese form Japanese Association of Oregon in Portland.
1912
Sikhs build gurdwara in Stockton and establish Khalsa Diwan. Japanese in California hold statewide conference on Nisei education.
1913
California passes alien land law prohibiting "aliens ineligible to citizenship" from buying land or leasing it for longer than three years. Sikhs in Washington and Oregon establish Hindustani Association. Asian Indians in California found the revolutionary Ghadar Party and start publishing a newspaper. Pablo Manlapit forms Filipino Unemployed Association in Hawaii. Japanese form Northwest Japanese Association of America in Seattle. Korean farmworkers are driven out of Hemet, California.
1914
Aspiring Asian Indian immigrants who had chartered a ship to come to Canada by continuous journey are denied landing in Vancouver.
1915
Japanese form Central Japanese Association of Southern California and the Japanese Chamber of Commerce.
1917
Arizona passes an Alien Land Law. 1917 Immigration Law defines a geographic "barred zone" (including India) from which no immigrants can come. Syngman Rhee founds the Korean Christian Church in Hawaii.
1918
Servicemen of Asian ancestry who had served in World War I receive right of naturalization. Asian Indians form the Hindustani Welfare Reform Association in the Imperial and Coachella valleys in southern California.
1919
Japanese form Federation of Japanese Labor in Hawaii.
1920
10,000 Japanese and Filipino plantation workers go on strike. Japan stops issuing passports to picture brides due to anti-Japanese sentiments. Initiative in California ballot plugs up loopholes in the 1913 alien land law.
1921
Japanese farm workers driven out of Turlock, California. Filipinos establish a branch of the Caballeros Dimas Alang in San Francisco and a branch of the Legionarios del Trabajo in Honolulu. Washington and Louisiana pass alien land laws.
1922
Takao Ozawa v. U.S. declares Japanese not eligible for naturalized citizenship. New Mexico passes an alien land law. Cable Act declares that any American female citizen who marries "an alien ineligible to citizenship" would lose her citizenship.
1923
U.S. v. Bhagat Singh Thind declares Asian Indians not eligible for naturalized citizenship. Idaho, Montana, and Oregon pass alien land laws. Terrace v. Thompson upholds constitutionality of Washington's alien land law. Porterfield v. Webb upholds constitutionality of California's alien land law. Webb v. O'Brien rules that sharecropping is illegal because it is a ruse that allows Japanese to possess and use land. Frick v. Webb forbids aliens "ineligible to citizenship" from owning stocks in corporations formed for farming.
1924
Immigration Act denies entry to virtually all Asians. 1600 Filipino plantation workers strike for eight months in Hawaii.
1925
Warring tongs in North America's Chinatowns declare truce. Hilario Moncado founds Filipino Federation of America.
1928
Filipino farm workers are driven out of Yakima Valley, Washington. Filipinos in Los Angeles form Filipino American Christian Fellowship.
1930
Anti-Filipino riot in Watsonville, California.
1931
Amendment to Cable Act declares that no American-born woman who loses her citizenship (by marrying an alien ineligible to citizenship) can be denied the right of naturalization at a later date.
1934
Tydings - McDuffie Act spells out procedure for eventual Philippine independence and reduces Filipino immigration to 50 persons a year. Filipino lettuce pickers in the Slinas Valley, California, go on strike.
1936
American Federation of Labor grants charter to a Filipino - Mexican union of fieldworkers.
1937
Last ethnic strike in Hawaii.
1938
150 Chinese women garmentworkers strike for three months against the National Dollar Stores (owned by a Chinese).
1940
AFL charters the Filipino Federated Agricultural Laborers Association.
1941
After declaring war on Japan, 2000 Japanese community leaders along Pacific Coast states and Hawaii are rounded up and interned in Department of Justice camps.
1942
President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs Executive Order 9066 authorizing the secretary of war to delegate a military commander to designate military areas "from which any and all persons may be excluded" - primarily enforced against Japanese. Congress passes Public Law 503 to impose penal sanctions on anyone disobeying orders to carry out Executive Order 9066. Protests at Poston and Manzanar relocation centers.
1943
Protest at Topaz Relocation Center. Registration crisis leads to Tule Lake Relocation Center's designation as a segregation center. Hawaiian Nisei in the 100th Battalion sent to Africa. Congress repeals all Chinese exclusion laws, grants right of naturalization and a small immigration quota to Chinese.
1944
Tule Lake placed under martial law. Draft reinstated for Nisei. Draft resistance at Heart Mountain Relocation Center. 442nd Regimental Combat Team gains fame. Exclusion orders revoked.
1946
Luce - Celler bill grants right of naturalization and small immigration quotas to Asian Indians and Filipinos. Wing F. Ong becomes first Asian American to be elected to state office in the Arizona House of Representatives.
1947
Amendment to 1945 War Brides Act allows Chinese American veterans to bring brides into the U.S.
1949
5000 highly educated Chinese in the U.S. granted refugee status after China institutes a Communist government.
1952
One clause of the McCarran - Walter Act grants the right of naturalization and a small immigration quota to Japanese.
1956
California repeals its alien land laws. Dalip Singh from the Imperial Valley, California, is elected to Congress.
1962
Daniel K. Inouye becomes U.S. senator and Spark Matsunaga becomes U.S. congressman from Hawaii.
1964
Patsy Takemoto Mink becomes first Asian American woman to serve in Congress as representative from Hawaii.
1965
Immigration Law abolishes "national origins" as basis for allocating immigration quotas to various countries - Asian countries now on equal footing.
1968
Students on strike at San Francisco State University to demand establishment of ethnic studies programs.
1969
Students at the University of California, Berkeley, go on strike for establishment of ethnic studies programs.
1974
March Fong Eu elected California's secretary of state. Lau v. Nichols rules that school districts with children who speak little English must provide them with bilingual education.
1975
More than 130,000 refugees enter the U.S. from Vietnam, Kampuchea, and Laos as Communist governments are established there.
1976
President Gerald Ford rescinds Executive Order 9066.
1978
National convention of the Japanese American Citizens League adopts resolution calling for redress and reparations for the internment of Japanese Americans. Massive exodus of "boat people" from Vietnam.
1979
Resumption of diplomatic relations between the People's Republic of China and the United States of America reunites members of long-separated Chinese American families.
1980
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees set up an Orderly Departure Program to enable Vietnamese to emigrate legally.
1981
Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians (set up by Congress) holds hearings across the country and concludes the internment was a "grave injustice" and that Executive Order 9066 resulted from "race prejudice, war hysteria and a failure of political leadership."
1982
Vincent Chin, a Chinese American draftsman, is clubbed to death with a baseball bat by two Euro-American men.
1983
Fred Korematsu, Min Yasui, and Gordon Hirabayashi file petitions to overturn their World War II convictions for violating the curfew and evacuation orders.
1986
Immigration Reform and Control Act imposes civil and criminal penalties on employers who knowingly hire undocumented aliens.
1987
The U.S. House of Representatives votes 243 to 141 to make an official apology to Japanese Americans and to pay each surviving internee $20,000 in reparations.
1988
The U.S. Senate votes 69% to 27 to support redress for Japanese Americans. American Homecoming Act allows children in Vietnam born of American fathers to emigrate to the U.S.
1989
President George Bush signs into law an entitlement program to pay each surviving Japanese American internee $20,000. U.S. reaches agreement with Vietnam to allow political prisoners to emigrate to the U.S.
Does this sound like a race who need to eliminate their cultural identity? And being in the U.S., does it mean I have to submit and eliminate the past so I would not be, I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
For more than 400 years, we were deemed a foreign entity, and laws were passed and still, laws today make it so.
And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.
Unless it's removed, I was quoting someone.
Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.
When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.

And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.

And to answer your question more specifically, this post came from I believe from someone from Japan:

I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.

I would like an apology for assuming I'm a racist. But if you do, then Mikawa Ossan may too feel the brunt of your anger. Mikawa brought it up and I answered. The title is Ask a Japanese American.

P.S. Read before you post.

[Half-n-Half]

When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.

I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.

Secondly, the title is not taken lightly.

What do you mean?

[Japanese_American]

I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
What do you mean?

No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.

[nice gaijin]

I am aware of the history of Asian immigrants in the US. It was unnecessary to paste a chronology of events to illustrate that there IS a history. I was not referring to your historical cultural identity; I was remarking on your apparent belief that eating burdock or being able to use chopsticks sets you apart from anyone else, or that these elements of a cultural heritage are unique to your ethnic subset of America.

Unless it's removed, I was quoting someone.
Or he may be kokujin. But I digress. Well living here in the States, the first appearance makes the person. If you see an Irish or an Italian, you think: white. See an Asian? One thinks gaijin. It's the way the world revolves. This was the statement I was referring to. The person you quoted mentioned these groups as identifying themselves by their familial heritage in order to establish themselves as an ethnic group; YOU lumped them together as "white," or just assumed that that is the way people think.

When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist. Have you heard of an expatriate?

I've lived in Japan and that doesn't make me Japanese. The treatment of foreign residents in Japan is still a point of contention, and in many cases are not recognized as "Japanese" even after living there for decades (look up "zainichi" for a particularly compelling example).

No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.... how does living in Japan make your ethnicity Japanese? I didn't know that I could change my heritage just by moving to another country...

[Japanese_American]

I am aware of the history of Asian immigrants in the US. It was unnecessary to paste a chronology of events to illustrate that there IS a history. I was not referring to your historical cultural identity; I was remarking on your apparent belief that eating burdock or being able to use chopsticks sets you apart from anyone else, or that these elements of a cultural heritage are unique to your ethnic subset of America.

Good, so I won't have to repeat why we call ourselves Japanese American

This was the statement I was referring to. The person you quoted mentioned these groups as identifying themselves by their familial heritage in order to establish themselves as an ethnic group; YOU lumped them together as "white," or just assumed that that is the way people think.

Last time I check, both countries are European and yes, there are non-white. But everything I learned in school referenced white people. Well maybe it's time that our school system change the curriculum and really teach.

Have you heard of an expatriate?

Yes I have. And good for them wanting to live in a foreign country. But I couldn't care less where they live, as I feel there is a lot more to learn here in the U.S. my place of birth.

I've lived in Japan and that doesn't make me Japanese. The treatment of foreign residents in Japan is still a point of contention, and in many cases are not recognized as "Japanese" even after living there for decades (look up "zainichi" for a particularly compelling example).

Of course it does not. Did you give up your citizenship? Assuming you're from Africa. Did you give up your country of origin's status? I'm going to assume Zaire. In order to be an African Japanese, you have to give up your citizenship and take on the Japanese status. They do that here in the U.S. You give up your allegiance to your home country. Unless you did that, you are NOT a Japanese citizen, therefore you are NOT an African Japanese. And even if you were to give up your citizenship from Zaire, they may not make you a Japanese citizen. Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.

[Emoni]

This should be an example of topics not to post.

Agreed, when I first saw this my initial thought was, "What qualifies this guy as some sort of expert?" Honestly, if you walked over to a group of people and started presenting yourself and speaking like this they would most likely react with, "Who the heck are YOU? Who made you some expert?" and rightly so I might add.

There are too many alarms going off in my head with this thread, as if it is some sort of cultural carnival act of the 1950s. An example would be for me to declare indirectly THE question and answer man on all of the US, and post a thread on a Japanese forum called, "Ask a White American" then throw up some excessively long time tables that make it seem as if I did an ACTUALLY historiography of events in my "spare time."

Sometimes the way you introduce yourself and the topic can have EVERYTHING to do with how a post will be received. This one is just leaving "bad vibes," so I'm going to poke it with a 10-foot pole and walk away.

There are many ways to speak about the issue of Japanese-Americans, kibei, nikeijin, etc. I want to further clarify that statement that there are many BETTER and more PRODUCTIVE ways to discuss such a topic. I don't see this thread going anywhere good...

(Side Note: I've done numerous projects on Japanese-Americans in the United States, especially since a close family friend and her family are the reason why I became interested in Japan and was invited to numerous family and community events in the past. Just because of this, does not define me as a source, expert, or talking head on the subject and present myself in a manner that would indicate such. Nor would it if I was Japanese-American myself.)

[Glenski]

And even if you were to give up your citizenship from Zaire, they may not make you a Japanese citizen. Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.
The "right"? Think again. The country signed a treaty against racial discrimination over a decade ago, thus stating to the world that it did NOT have such a thing (the "right"). Sadly, it has not done anything to enact laws against such discrimination.

Oh, and the laws on dual nationality are up for change again here.

Your whole thread is full of confusing posts.

You're not into anime, yet you boast about knowing some history because you are an anime freak. Huh? How's that?

You say you are sansei because dad was nisei, but in the same paragraph you write "my mother was from Yamagata Shinjo-shi. I don't speak Japanese very well and I'm a nisei." Am I missing something here?

You clearly call yourself Japanese-American, yet you wrote "I am not a compound adjective." Choose, ok?

This quote is chocked full of weirdness:
When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.For starters, I live in Japan, yet I am not Japanese (just like the other 2 million of us foreigners).

Your example of the white person becoming naturalized is a test of semantics. He is only technically African American; he is also technically a mere naturalized US citizen. And, no the title African American is not reserved only for people with black skin, but they represent the vast majority of people with that moniker. It's a mindset. Lastly, non-Japanese living in Japan are considered gaijin by some. A more proper and polite term is gaikokujin. Gaijin is often an offensive word.

HalfNHalf wrote: Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
You responded: No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan.
Totally wrong in more ways than one. You just don't get it.

[Japanese_American]

Agreed, when I first saw this my initial thought was, "What qualifies this guy as some sort of expert?" Honestly, if you walked over to a group of people and started presenting yourself and speaking like this they would most likely react with, "Who the heck are YOU? Who made you some expert?" and rightly so I might add.

There are too many alarms going off in my head with this thread, as if it is some sort of cultural carnival act of the 1950s. An example would be for me to declare indirectly THE question and answer man on all of the US, and post a thread on a Japanese forum called, "Ask a White American" then throw up some excessively long time tables that make it seem as if I did an ACTUALLY historiography of events in my "spare time."

Sometimes the way you introduce yourself and the topic can have EVERYTHING to do with how a post will be received. This one is just leaving "bad vibes," so I'm going to poke it with a 10-foot pole and walk away. I don't see this thread going anywhere good...

Well there is a correlation with this thread and BBS. Both have something to do with Japanese. But if you're not liking or anyone else, this thread, have it removed. Last I checked, there is nothing in the EULA or TOS prohibiting me from doing so. So unless I violate something, just keeping asking and I'll post

[Japanese_American]

The "right"? Think again. The country signed a treaty against racial discrimination over a decade ago, thus stating to the world that it did NOT have such a thing (the "right"). Sadly, it has not done anything to enact laws against such discrimination.
Oh, and the laws on dual nationality are up for change again here.
Now imagine that while being a citizen of a nation. Sucks, huh?

[nice gaijin]

I don't think we're on the same page here... citizenship and ethnicity are different things. You don't carry Japanese citizenship, but you identify yourself as Japanese and American, then you call Japan racist. And keep using Africa as a reference, where the lines between nationality and ethnicity are even more blurred?

OK, nevermind. You're a beautiful snowflake that can use chopsticks. Good for you. Sorry I didn't have more questions like "what's it like to look Japanese but not know the language?"

[Half-n-Half]

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite threads.

Now imagine that while being a citizen of a nation. Sucks, huh?

OK, so, let me ask you a question. Do you think Japanese-Americans (or Japanese Americans) are being discriminated against in the United States?

[Japanese_American]

I don't think we're on the same page here... citizenship and ethnicity are different things. You don't carry Japanese citizenship, but you identify yourself as Japanese and American, then you call Japan racist. And keep using Africa as a reference, where the lines between nationality and ethnicity are even more blurred?

OK, nevermind. You're a beautiful snowflake that can use chopsticks. Good for you. Sorry I didn't have more questions like "what's it like to look Japanese but not know the language?"
Well, apparently, using white may be incorrect. I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.

[Half-n-Half]

I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.

Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.

And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.

Can you see why nice gaijin made that statement?

[Emoni]

I'm back to prod this mess with a 11-foot pole, for the sake of backing NiceGaijin up a bit.

First, I'm starting smell a troll or at least troll like behavior. Your reply to my post made NO sense, and pretty much stated that you haven't technically broken any rules so you are going to run with this travesty as far as you can. Not what I consider a promising direction for this thread, nor was it even remotely related to what I posted even.

Second, I know NiceGaijin in real life and he pays VERY close attention to details and what is said and what is NOT said in a much more coherent manner than this thread deserves. Honestly, he likely he may have more experience with "Japan and Japanese culture" than you, or at the very least he has thought more subjectively about what he does know. He's made some very valid statements about this post that you have not answered, and you are now veering off the statements and questions he posed towards attacking (unjustifiably) his alleged inability to "read fully (your) post."

I highly "recommend" you check your attitude before further posting as you are not making many friends with your current demeanor.

[Japanese_American]

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite threads.
OK, so, let me ask you a question. Do you think Japanese-Americans (or Japanese Americans) are being discriminated against in the United States?
Good question. The problem is, Japanese Americans are grouped up in a category that's offensive to us. For example:
Model minority myth:
Model minority refers to a minority ethnic, racial, or religious group whose members achieve a higher degree of success than the population average. It is most commonly used to label one ethnic minority higher achieving than another ethnic minority. This success is typically measured in income, education, and related factors such as low crime rate and high family stability. The term is often characterized as a myth which amounts to racial stereotyping, and that its use may be a political tool and its implications incite jealousy and fighting among ethnic minorities, an example of leveraging majority power dynamics to provoke ill sentiments between minority groups.
In the United States, the term has usually been associated with East Asian Americans and Indian Americans. Recently, the term has been broadened in some circles to include recent African immigrants.
A common misconception is that the affected communities usually hold pride in their labeling as the model minority. Statistics are often cited to back up their model minority status such as high educational achievement, overrepresentation at Ivy League and other prestigious universities, and a high percentage of Asian Americans working in white collar professions (jobs such as medicine, investment banking, management consulting, finance, and law). Part of the myth is that the Asian American community embraces the model minority label as empowering to their image, implying that Asians are the "model" for other minority demographics to emulate. For example, second generation Chinese American, Frances Kai-Hwa Wang, notes that East Asians should not only accept the model minority stereotype, but embrace it because East Asian educational values are a special legacy of their heritages.
While some Asian Americans hold pride in the model minority image, the consensus in academia and the field of Asian American studies is that the Model Minority Myth is detrimental to the Asian Pacific American community, used to justify the exclusion of needy APA communities in the distribution of assistance programs, public and private, and understate or slight the achievements of APA individuals. Communities that are especially affected are South East Asian communities, e.g. Cambodian-American, and the Pacific Islander community, e.g. persons with origins in Guam and Micronesia; these communities have much lower education rates and higher poverty rates. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indian Americans are over twice as likely to attend college than other types of Asians. The Model Minority myth relies on the aggregation of success indicators, hiding the plight of recent first-generation immigrants under the high success rate of more established Asian communities.
The term "model minority" was coined in the mid-1960s by William Petersen to describe Asian Americans as ethnic minorities who, despite marginalization, have achieved success in the United States.
The purpose was to provide a comparison of capitalist and socialist economies: as capitalism was equated with inequality, particularly in reference to poor African Americans, Asian Americans were chosen as an example of a minority group who could succeed by "merit" alone. Modelminority.com writes: "While superficially complimentary to Asian Americans, the real purpose and effect of this portrayal is to celebrate the status quo in race relations. First, by over-emphasizing Asian American success, it deemphasizes the problems Asian Americans continue to face from racial discrimination in all areas of public and private life. Second, by misrepresenting Asian American success as proof that the US provides equal opportunities for those who conform and work hard, it excuses US society from careful scrutiny on issues of race in general, and on the persistence of racism against Asian Americans in particular."
Also:
Almost at the same time, Japanese officials, including Michio Watanabe and Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone, were criticized for making racially insensitive remarks targeted at blacks and hispanics. Nakasone said that African and Hispanic Americans had been lowering America's intelligence level because of their low literacy rate (he claimed 25%), and praised Japan's "racial homogeneity" and working ethics, claiming that American workers were lazy. Nakasone was forced to make an apology to the people of both the United States and Japan for his comments. Notably, it has been claimed by scholars that "a large number of Japanese actually agreed with [Nakasone's] comments, but were merely angered by the embarrassment that it had caused Japan by him making them."
So with these types of stereotypes, there are no reason why Asians need any help, support and now, Asians are classed as white in affirmative action, because we are the model minority.

Is there racism in the states? There is, but it's so subtle, it's hidden in plain site. Ask an Iraqi or Afghani after 9/11.

Originally Posted by Japanese_American View Post

I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.

Originally Posted by Japanese_American View Post

Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so. (the conjunction negates the first comment)

Originally Posted by Japanese_American View Post

And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist. (stop being so selective. If you're from Japan and you moved here and you become a naturalized citizen then you're an American. If you're not a a citizen, then guess what, it's racism. Racism is a combining of two words. Race and the isms of race. )

Can you see why nice gaijin made that statement?

Can you see why nice gaijin made that statement?

[nice gaijin]

I don't mean to judge, but trolls smell like the inside of a bellybutton.

Emoni, there's no reason to get worked up over this kid, his haphazard statements are a goldmine of self-destructive logic.

[Japanese_American]

Glenski says: The "right"? Think again. The country signed a treaty against racial discrimination over a decade ago, thus stating to the world that it did NOT have such a thing (the "right"). Sadly, it has not done anything to enact laws against such discrimination.

Oh, and the laws on dual nationality are up for change again here.

Your whole thread is full of confusing posts.

You're not into anime, yet you boast about knowing some history because you are an anime freak. Huh? How's that?

I watched anime as a kid

Glenski says: You say you are sansei because dad was nisei, but in the same paragraph you write "my mother was from Yamagata Shinjo-shi. I don't speak Japanese very well and I'm a nisei." Am I missing something here?

Sure when half asked.

Glenski says: You clearly call yourself Japanese-American, yet you wrote "I am not a compound adjective." Choose, ok?

"Ideas for an ESL Compound Adjective Worksheet
ESL Compound Adjective Worksheet Idea #1

For this worksheet, have students match the compound adjectives used in the right-hand column with the ideas presented in the left-hand column to create a complete sentence. The compound adjectives listed in this exercise are commonly used in English, and the context clues from the sentence as a whole should help ESL students understand the meaning and proper usage of these descriptive tools.

Again, students will learn that compound adjectives are hyphenated when they proceed a noun, and that they perform the same function as other types of adjective which is to modify the noun that they proceed.
1. Organ donors perform a. a long-winded man.
2. After a day in the sun I crave b. a six-sided die.
3. The long speech was given by c. a sure-footed animal.
4. Yahtzee is a game played with d. a tight-fisted woman.
5. The mountain goat is e. an ice-cold lemonade.
6. Don't go the wrong way down f. a five-page book report.
7. The manager of the bank is g. a ten-dollar bill.
8. My homework for tomorrow is h. a life-giving service.
9. My friend Scott lent me i. a three-hour movie.
10. The theatre is showing j. a one-way street."

This help you?

Glenski says: This quote is chocked full of weirdness:
For starters, I live in Japan, yet I am not Japanese (just like the other 2 million of us foreigners).

Did you give up your citizenship from your country of origin? When my mother became a U.S. citizen, she's now an American. If you did the same in Japan, then suffice to say you are?

Glenski says: Your example of the white person becoming naturalized is a test of semantics. He is only technically African American; he is also technically a mere naturalized US citizen. And, no the title African American is not reserved only for people with black skin, but they represent the vast majority of people with that moniker. It's a mindset. Lastly, non-Japanese living in Japan are considered gaijin by some. A more proper and polite term is gaikokujin. Gaijin is often an offensive word.

Semantics? So if a white person was born in Africa, he or she is not an African? And when they give up their allegiance of their country of their birth, they are not truly a citizen? you may have a point. With the war on terror, one can lose their citizenship and be deported a lot easier than prior to 9/11. You are correct there. Oh as for the gaijin, I was called that by the jr. high school kids in Japan. They found out I was from Japan and they yelled at me: America ni kaire baka gaijin.

Glenski says: [b]HalfNHalf wrote: Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
You responded: No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan.
Totally wrong in more ways than one. You just don't get it.[b]

my mother can run for Congress or run for governor but not President or vice president. But if George H.W. Bush gets his way and amends the constitution of the United States, Arnold Schwarzenegger can run for president, as he cannot, because, he was naturalized.

[Emoni]

I don't mean to judge, but trolls smell like the inside of a bellybutton.

Emoni, there's no reason to get worked up over this kid, his haphazard statements are a goldmine of self-destructive logic.

Oh, I'm not no worries. It's just kind of sad to see this kind of crap on the board after decent posts and posters have gone down so much the past year. This could have been a good thread, but oddly enough the OP and his behavior kicks the chair out from underneath the whole topic. I'm honestly not sure what his motivation is actually. I'm teetering between trolling or mental masturbation to the ability to copy-paste stuff and behave like a celebrity in his own mind.

[Japanese_American]

I'm back to prod this mess with a 11-foot pole, for the sake of backing NiceGaijin up a bit.

First, I'm starting smell a troll or at least troll like behavior. Your reply to my post made NO sense, and pretty much stated that you haven't technically broken any rules so you are going to run with this travesty as far as you can. Not what I consider a promising direction for this thread, nor was it even remotely related to what I posted even.

Second, I know NiceGaijin in real life and he pays VERY close attention to details and what is said and what is NOT said in a much more coherent manner than this thread deserves. Honestly, he likely he may have more experience with "Japan and Japanese culture" than you, or at the very least he has thought more subjectively about what he does know. He's made some very valid statements about this post that you have not answered, and you are now veering off the statements and questions he posed towards attacking (unjustifiably) his alleged inability to "read fully (your) post."

I highly "recommend" you check your attitude before further posting as you are not making many friends with your current demeanor.

Well again, if I'm doing anything wrong or offensive, then report me and have my post removed. But guess what? I'm not.

[nice gaijin]

that's it, I'm moving to Africa so I can be black.

[Japanese_American]

that's it, I'm moving to Africa so I can be black.
Are you black? I'm an American because I was born here and my mother is an American because she became a citizen.

[Emoni]

Are you black?

Zoom! Right over his head!

[Japanese_American]

Zoom! Right over his head!
What went over my head? The fact that you want to move to Africa and want to be black? And I asked, are you black or are you implying that you will become black moving to the continent of Africa?

[nice gaijin]

no, that's what you implied.

No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.

What do you think ethnicity means?

[Emoni]

1$ IRL that he says you can't read his posts correctly or simply ignores it and goes on to talking about himself. (

(Edit: Aww no fair you reworded the question~)

[nice gaijin]

I'll take my dollar now!

[Emoni]

Nah, you'd have to wait a bit ;) That way the value can drop down even further and I'll feel like I gave away less.

[nice gaijin]

ok, 75 yen then

[caster51]

I think he has two character in his Identity like this?
http://lions.fau.jp/ben05rm/05-sp11.wmv
http://kyotowestlions.jp/benron05/t05-11.html

[Japanese_American]

no, that's what you implied.



What do you think ethnicity means?

My nationality is USA.
na⋅tion⋅al⋅i⋅ty
   /ˌnæʃəˈnælɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nash-uh-nal-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties for 1, 2, 5, 6.
1. the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization: the nationality of an immigrant.
2. the relationship of property, holdings, etc., to a particular nation, or to one or more of its members: the nationality of a ship.

My ethnicity is Japanese.
eth⋅nic⋅i⋅ty
   /ɛθˈnɪsɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association.
2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present.

Hope that solves the confusion

Nah, you'd have to wait a bit ;) That way the value can drop down even further and I'll feel like I gave away less.


Thank the IMF, thank Japan's trade policy and thank the Bush administration. Oh and Hank Paulson's federal reserve antics. A government entity which is not.

[Japanese_American]

I think he has two character in his Identity like this?
http://lions.fau.jp/ben05rm/05-sp11.wmv
http://kyotowestlions.jp/benron05/t05-11.html

Takashi is an American. He is also ethnically Japanese. Being an American is not being a certain race, as I am Japanese, born of Japanese parents but am an American citizen. Actually, there is no ethnic group in the U.S. Well, maybe I and many others who were born and raised here or naturalized by the ICE formerly INS, we're United Statese Wow, people born in the U.S. are not an ethnic group and i could see why Japanese people from Japan can't grasp this concept. That's why they called me a baka gaijin and nihon ni kaire. But I have no ethnic background other than Japanese.

Takashi is an American. If he gives up his American citizenship and becomes a Japanese, then he's Japanese as he no longer associates his life or his identity to the U.S. But the next question is, will the Japanese government recognize that? If he commits a crime, can he be deported once naturalized or will he have the opportunity to become naturalized?

[nice gaijin]

My nationality is USA.
na⋅tion⋅al⋅i⋅ty
   /ˌnæʃəˈnælɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nash-uh-nal-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties for 1, 2, 5, 6.
1. the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization: the nationality of an immigrant.
2. the relationship of property, holdings, etc., to a particular nation, or to one or more of its members: the nationality of a ship.
My ethnicity is Japanese.
eth⋅nic⋅i⋅ty
   /ɛθˈnɪsɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association.
2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present.
Hope that solves the confusion
I know what the dictionary says, that wasn't my question.

[Japanese_American]

I know what the dictionary says, that wasn't my question.

no, that's what you implied.



What do you think ethnicity means?

And I wrote it down. Do you want a philosophical answer? Something pensive or thoughtful? If no, then i don't understand the question

no, that's what you implied.



What do you think ethnicity means?

[nice gaijin]

Takashi is an American. He is also ethnically Japanese. Being an American is not being a certain race, as I am Japanese, born of Japanese parents but am an American citizen. Actually, there is no ethnic group in the U.S. Well, maybe I and many others who were born and raised here or naturalized by the ICE formerly INS, we're United Statese Wow, people born in the U.S. are not an ethnic group and i could see why Japanese people from Japan can't grasp this concept. That's why they called me a baka gaijin and nihon ni kaire. But I have no ethnic background other than Japanese.
Takashi is an American. If he gives up his American citizenship and becomes a Japanese, then he's Japanese as he no longer associates his life or his identity to the U.S. But the next question is, will the Japanese government recognize that? If he commits a crime, can he be deported once naturalized or will he have the opportunity to become naturalized?
Aww, it's just so sad. You are totally misunderstood by both Americans and Japanese alike. You are so unique, nobody gets you. Like a pre-op tranny.

And I wrote it down. Do you want a philosophical answer? Something pensive or thoughtful? If no, then i don't understand the question
Nah I was just hoping for some clarification, like why you would say that moving to another country or even becoming a naturalized citizen would change your ethnic identity. Seems like you're the one who is confused, or perhaps just the source of confusion here.

[Japanese_American]

Aww, it's just so sad. You are totally misunderstood by both Americans and Japanese alike. You are so unique, nobody gets you. Like a pre-op tranny.
Gee, that's an insult to the LGBT crowd. Come on insult me if you wish, but don't insult the LGBT groups

Nah I was just hoping for some clarification, like why you would say that moving to another country or even becoming a naturalized citizen would change your ethnic identity. Seems like you're the one who is confused, or perhaps just the source of confusion here.

Ethnic? I said nationality. I can change my nationality but I can't change my ethnicity.

[nice gaijin]

Gee, that's an insult to the LGBT crowd. Come on insult me if you wish, but don't insult the LGBT groupsInsult? I just said that you were misunderstood. You should be so lucky to be compared to a pre-op tranny.
Ethnic? I said nationality. I can change my nationality but I can't change my ethnicity.Do you ever read what you write, or does it all just come gushing out like a lanced boil?
Originally Posted by Half-n-Half View Post
I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
What do you mean?
No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.

[Emoni]

And I wrote it down. Do you want a philosophical answer? Something pensive or thoughtful? If no, then i don't understand the question

You might not know how to answer, but I think I just won a $1~

[Japanese_American]

Insult? I just said that you were misunderstood. You should be so lucky to be compared to a pre-op tranny.
Do you ever read what you write, or does it all just come gushing out like a lanced boil?

HA! I am laughing, I truly am. But your insult to me is awesome. your act in trying to get the final word in is a Kodak moment. If you want me to stop, stop typing. If you do so, then you lose.

[Emoni]

If you want me to stop, stop typing. If you do so, then you lose.

No, THIS response is hilarious... especially since you lost any sense of a creditability long ago and it is all you can threaten him with. :)

Actually... both me and NiceGaijin are mostly just having a slow day. This was a poorly conceived thread lacking purpose, reason, logic, and sincerity to begin with.

Most of what he is saying is flying way over your head and you're entirely unaware of it. We are both just kind of sitting back (although Nice gets paid for it) prodding this mangled car wreck mass that you are trying to portray as a collection of reasonable arguments.

(PS: No one uses the term "Kodak moment" any more, and they never did for a verbal or text based response. )

[Japanese_American]

Actually... both me and NiceGaijin are mostly just having a slow day. This was a poorly conceived thread lacking purpose, reason, logic, and sincerity to begin with.
Most of what he is saying is flying way over your head and you're entirely unaware of it. We are both just kind of sitting back (although Nice gets paid for it) prodding this mangled car wreck mass that you are trying to portray as a collection of reasonable arguments.

Well, it must be popular and you guys are responding. I find that flattering. Well, I hope more of you post, so I can make this the top post. keep on typing

Well girls, I got to go to bed. make sure your boyfriends are kept happy. It is your duty to keep them happy. it's the Japanese thing. Maybe I'll post my opinion about 9/11 and Japan. Say thanks ladies, you're all the best.

[Emoni]

Well, it must be popular and you guys are responding. I find that flattering. Well, I hope more of you post, so I can make this the top post. keep on typing

Well girls, I got to go to bed. make sure your boyfriends are kept happy. It is your duty to keep them happy. it's the Japanese thing. Maybe I'll post my opinion about 9/11 and Japan. Say thanks ladies, you're all the best.

Well, you've revealed the reason your posting all and your behavior finally. Simply to keep this crap going so you can get some since of fame or top post? Maybe that is your idea of some sort of revenge. Considering this section of the forum gets maybe a post every two days... wow that is some accomplishment.

Almost every single poster gave you valid questions to answer, and you mostly dodged them and posted more illogical inflammatory comments and ignored any attempt to clarify what on earth you were trying to say after standing up as some sort of iconic figure knowing all about Japanese-Americans as you posted random clippings of stuff and gave yourself celebrity status in your own mind in a quiet dusty corner of an internet board. You then seem to have "snapped" and run off to bed.

Well... that was sure productive.

I'm off myself. Sandwich beckons.

[Mikawa Ossan]

OK, I have a question for you.

Have you ever experienced any form of racism/discrimination because of your ethnicity, and if so, could you elaborate? I don't know how old you are, but preferably I'm interested by your treatment as an adult, assuming that you are.

Either way, how do you think that being of Japanese ancestry has shaped you in a way differently from people of other ancestry? I'm curious.

Oh, and you said that white people tend to think of you as perhaps a foreigner, but what do you mean by this exactly? What makes you feel that way?

[Japanese_American]

OK, I have a question for you.
Have you ever experienced any form of racism/discrimination because of your ethnicity, and if so, could you elaborate? I don't know how old you are, but preferably I'm interested by your treatment as an adult, assuming that you are.
Either way, how do you think that being of Japanese ancestry has shaped you in a way differently from people of other ancestry? I'm curious.
Oh, and you said that white people tend to think of you as perhaps a foreigner, but what do you mean by this exactly? What makes you feel that way?
Would tomorrow be OK? I need to crash.

[Taiko666]

I am an American of Japanese ancestry. So I am an American. Boku ha Nikkei Americajin desu. kedo, Nihongo ha zenzen hanashimasen. Gomen ne?

I was just fooling. I'm not Japanese, just a Japanese-speaking (well, to a certain extent), Englishman living in Japan. Your reference to being able to use chopsticks despite not being Japanese struck a chord (or a nerve?), since it still often illicits gasps of wonderment in Japan when a non-Asian gaijin (like me) wields his hashi.

[Japanese_American]

I was just fooling. I'm not Japanese, just a Japanese-speaking (well, to a certain extent), Englishman living in Japan. Your reference to being able to use chopsticks despite not being Japanese struck a chord (or a nerve?), since it still often illicits gasps of wonderment in Japan when a non-Asian gaijin (like me) wields his hashi.

I have a friend usinghis left hands to use the hashi. He tsaid, "what's the matter, haven't you seen a brother use chopsticks?" I said no, not that but you're using your left hands. He was laughing

[Half-n-Half]

Do you ever read what you write, or does it all just come gushing out like a lanced boil?
Originally Posted by Japanese_American
Originally Posted by Half-n-Half
I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
What do you mean?
No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.
HA! I am laughing, I truly am. But your insult to me is awesome. your act in trying to get the final word in is a Kodak moment. If you want me to stop, stop typing. If you do so, then you lose.
OK, this sent up a little red flag that perhaps this guy really is a troll. Japanese_American obviously ignored nice gaijin's very good point. And this thread has quickly deteriorated. But dammit, it is one of the prettiest train wrecks I have ever seen.

[FrustratedDave]

This should be an example of topics not to post.
What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.
I knew I should have posted when no one had replied to this thread b/c you took the words right out of my keyboard!


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[Dogen Z]

Let me start off by saying I think this is a stupid thread, too. I've met several Japanese-Americans in Japan and they have a very different attitude than the OP.

And I found this interesting thread on another forum (gomen, JREF) that might be enlightening to the OP.

" As a young Japanese-American (2nd generation - Nisei) I think native Japanese do see us with a bit of ambiguity.

We are ethnically the same but since we have been raised abroad and have assimilated with other cultures, we aren't quite "Japanese" in the sense of thinking, mannerisms, beliefs etc.

It's an odd statement but I'll try to clarify.

Even though I look Japanese, am born to Japanese parents, can speak the language and know the culture, I'm still not totally accepted as a true Japanese because my way of thinking is still "American-shiki".

I think Japanese acceptance is often tied in with how much one has assimilated and adapted to the culture of Japan. "

In other words, Japanese Americans are considered non-Japanese by the Japanese. The OP is a gaijin.

But I have a question for the OP.

Q: Why didn't you post this in the Nikkei Affairs topic? Too lazy--very unJapanese, or is that a stereotype?

[ASHIKAGA]

" As a young Japanese-American (2nd generation - Nisei) I think native Japanese do see us with a bit of ambiguity.
We are ethnically the same but since we have been raised abroad and have assimilated with other cultures, we aren't quite "Japanese" in the sense of thinking, mannerisms, beliefs etc.
It's an odd statement but I'll try to clarify.
Even though I look Japanese, am born to Japanese parents, can speak the language and know the culture, I'm still not totally accepted as a true Japanese because my way of thinking is still "American-shiki".
I think Japanese acceptance is often tied in with how much one has assimilated and adapted to the culture of Japan. "

Whoever wrote this, I wonder exactly what mannerism/way of thinking/beliefs that is SOOO "American" (whatever that means) that make them not accepted as a Japanese person (Actually, they really are not Japanese. They are American... but I will let that part go for now). It only becomes an issue when you walk around with "Oh, BTW, I'm a Nisei." written across your forehead especially when you speak the language and know the culture. When will ppl learn that it is not THAT special being them, whatever they may be.

[Japanese_American]

Well, you've revealed the reason your posting all and your behavior finally. Simply to keep this crap going so you can get some since of fame or top post? Maybe that is your idea of some sort of revenge. Considering this section of the forum gets maybe a post every two days... wow that is some accomplishment.
Almost every single poster gave you valid questions to answer, and you mostly dodged them and posted more illogical inflammatory comments and ignored any attempt to clarify what on earth you were trying to say after standing up as some sort of iconic figure knowing all about Japanese-Americans as you posted random clippings of stuff and gave yourself celebrity status in your own mind in a quiet dusty corner of an internet board. You then seem to have "snapped" and run off to bed.
Well... that was sure productive.
I'm off myself. Sandwich beckons.

Actually, I enjoy this. It's no longer a desire to be popular, but to pull your chain. You see, the more you type, the more people have the opportunity to read what you and everyone write. The best thing to do is to ignore this thread and allow it to die. I almost forgot about this site, until I saw the link in my inbox.

[Japanese_American]

OK, I have a question for you.
Have you ever experienced any form of racism/discrimination because of your ethnicity, and if so, could you elaborate? I don't know how old you are, but preferably I'm interested by your treatment as an adult, assuming that you are.
Either way, how do you think that being of Japanese ancestry has shaped you in a way differently from people of other ancestry? I'm curious.
Oh, and you said that white people tend to think of you as perhaps a foreigner, but what do you mean by this exactly? What makes you feel that way?

Well, if you read my previous posts, most of the discrimination/racism was brought on by OTMs Other than minorities. Specifically whites. We are a minority because, not population, but from political representation. Like the blacks and Hispanic, Asians were also slaves. But back in 1600-1900s, the slaves were called indentured servants. Asians were not allowed to date, let alone touch a white woman. They were hanged.

Fast forward to the future.

The racism/discrimination you ask is in the form of institutionalized racism. I was denied schooling and certain jobs because of affirmative action. The federal law required government jobs and public schools to hire a pool of qualified candidates of a certain ethnic group and women. Well, since affirmative action was written so narrow, I was grouped in with the whites. Why? Because, Asians were successful. Asians in schools were the largest population. So the need to recruit Asian students was minimal. Same went the job market. The problem? Asians made up less than 1% of the job market.

I have no problem with affirmative action. I think that if someone is more than qualified to go to school or go to work, they should. This is to balance the Legacy enrollment that was practiced up to the 80s. Like our current president, who attended Yale University because his father George H.W. Bush and his grandfather Prescott Bush were alums. But to group another minority group with a non-minority group, because they're the majority, is racist. There is this running joke at UCLA. UCLA's nickname is: University of Caucasian Lost amongst Asians. Well when these Asians do graduate, why do they make up less than 1% in the job market and why is the graduation rate low too? Because the model minority myth and that is a detriment to not only Asians, but to all.

An important ruling on affirmative action given by the Supreme Court in 1978. Allan Bakke, a white man, was denied admission to a medical school that had admitted black candidates with weaker academic credentials. Bakke contended that he was a victim of racial discrimination. The Court ruled that Bakke had been illegally denied admission to the medical school, but also that medical schools were entitled to consider race as a factor in admissions. The Court thus upheld the general principle of affirmative action.

Had the institutions not practice legacy admission, there would be no need for Affirmative Action

I was just fooling. I'm not Japanese, just a Japanese-speaking (well, to a certain extent), Englishman living in Japan. Your reference to being able to use chopsticks despite not being Japanese struck a chord (or a nerve?), since it still often illicits gasps of wonderment in Japan when a non-Asian gaijin (like me) wields his hashi.

Must be nice. I would love to live in Britain. I mean, socialized medicine, socialized schooling, what more can one ask? Sure the tax is high, but the investment into the commons reduces down-time. But I don't like the Big Brother syndrome in your country. I saw V for Vendetta and I think it's going to be Hell to pay when the British folks revolt. you are very talented with a hashi ;)

[Japanese_American]

Let me start off by saying I think this is a stupid thread, too. I've met several Japanese-Americans in Japan and they have a very different attitude than the OP.
And I found this interesting thread on another forum (gomen, JREF) that might be enlightening to the OP.
" As a young Japanese-American (2nd generation - Nisei) I think native Japanese do see us with a bit of ambiguity.
We are ethnically the same but since we have been raised abroad and have assimilated with other cultures, we aren't quite "Japanese" in the sense of thinking, mannerisms, beliefs etc.
It's an odd statement but I'll try to clarify.
Even though I look Japanese, am born to Japanese parents, can speak the language and know the culture, I'm still not totally accepted as a true Japanese because my way of thinking is still "American-shiki".
I think Japanese acceptance is often tied in with how much one has assimilated and adapted to the culture of Japan. "
In other words, Japanese Americans are considered non-Japanese by the Japanese. The OP is a gaijin.
But I have a question for the OP.
Q: Why didn't you post this in the Nikkei Affairs topic? Too lazy--very unJapanese, or is that a stereotype?

That's why people ask. So long as everyone posts, I am going to respond.

[Japanese_American]

Whoever wrote this, I wonder exactly what mannerism/way of thinking/beliefs that is SOOO "American" (whatever that means) that make them not accepted as a Japanese person (Actually, they really are not Japanese. They are American... but I will let that part go for now). It only becomes an issue when you walk around with "Oh, BTW, I'm a Nisei." written across your forehead especially when you speak the language and know the culture. When will ppl learn that it is not THAT special being them, whatever they may be.


I may agree, but an American can me Mexican, Canadian, Puerto Rican, Nicaraguan, Brazilian and so forth. The problem with American is that we are of no ethnic group. So the closest thing to identifying ourselves is our ethnicity. Yes, I am not a Japanese, I am a Nikkei, because I have relatives in Japan and my roots are from there, but that's all there is. Therefore, living in the States, I guess it's safe to assume that I am and all the Ex-pats in Japan are (ethnic) United States and not say Japanese American.

[Emoni]

Actually, I enjoy this. It's no longer a desire to be popular, but to pull your chain. You see, the more you type, the more people have the opportunity to read what you and everyone write. The best thing to do is to ignore this thread and allow it to die. I almost forgot about this site, until I saw the link in my inbox.

Yup, verified troll.
Just a slightly more veiled one than the regular bunch, but that doesn't hide it for long.

Time for the mods to get involved in this one I think.

I don't mind simply clueless posters, but when people come on the board simply to incite crap, try to drag things on with threats, and state they want to simply be popular. Dodging questions, avoiding the purpose of the post, ignoring a question but instead posting totally unrelated responses, and out and out admission of posting to various types of inciting behavior.

That is when things gotta end.

[Japanese_American]

Yup, verified troll.
Just a slightly more veiled one than the regular bunch, but that doesn't hide it for long.

Time for the mods to get involved in this one I think.

I don't mind simply clueless posters, but when people come on the board simply to incite crap, try to drag things on with threats, and state they want to simply be popular. Dodging questions, avoiding the purpose of the post, ignoring a question but instead posting totally unrelated responses, and out and out admission of posting to various types of inciting behavior.

That is when things gotta end.

Go ahead. Get the mods. What am I doing so incorrect? Threats? Uh, with the NSA monitoring every post, you really think I would make a threat? I'm assuming every post I do is being monitored, and if I were to type a certain keyword, the NSA would pass this to the FBI, the FBI would then then come in and arrest me. They no longer need a search warrant as the Patriot Act removed:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

So you really think I want to end up in say a federal prison? So, the threat aspect is out. And what is the common thing to do to avoid trolls? Ignore them.


P.S.: I am also a gun owner, guaranteed by the Second Amendment and the U.S. Supreme Court: The Supreme Court for the first time ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to own a gun. The 5-4 opinion said the justices expect new cases to test the boundaries of government limits on those lawfully held guns.

[Emoni]

P.S.: I am also a gun owner, guaranteed by the Second Amendment and the U.S. Supreme Court: The Supreme Court for the first time ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to own a gun. The 5-4 opinion said the justices expect new cases to test the boundaries of government limits on those lawfully held guns.

Excuse me? Trolling is one thing, actual implied physical threats are another.

Go any further buddy and I won't be calling the mods on this trolling crap, but you'll have the police knocking on your door. I don't put up with veiled threats. This is way over the line for this board or any venue.

[Japanese_American]

Excuse me? Trolling is one thing, actual implied physical threats are another.

Go any further buddy and I won't be calling the mods on this trolling crap, but you'll have the police knocking on your door. I don't put up with veiled threats. This is way over the line for this board or any venue.

My apology, when you said

...I don't mind simply clueless posters, but when people come on the board simply to incite crap, try to drag things on with threats...

I thought you were referring to me. My sincere condolence. And anyway, I'm a gun owner, and you think I'm that stupid to make a threat? I love having guns too...Buddy

[Mikawa Ossan]

The racism/discrimination you ask is in the form of institutionalized racism. I was denied schooling and certain jobs because of affirmative action. The federal law required government jobs and public schools to hire a pool of qualified candidates of a certain ethnic group and women. Well, since affirmative action was written so narrow, I was grouped in with the whites.
I'm not just asking about institutionalized racism; I'm curious about the discrimination in general you've encountered. I specifically asked you to refrain from talking about your childhood because kids can be cruel to everybody.

Could you be a little more specific?What jobs were they? How do you know that you didn't get the job due to affirmative action?

[Japanese_American]

I'm not just asking about institutionalized racism; I'm curious about the discrimination in general you've encountered. I specifically asked you to refrain from talking about your childhood because kids can be cruel to everybody.
Could you be a little more specific?What jobs were they? How do you know that you didn't get the job due to affirmative action?

Well lets see. When I was in Jr High, we learned something called WW2. All the big white people used to kick my butt, and throw me in the trash can. They blamed me for Pearl Harbor, I was threatened with violence and was once thrown down the stairs because I looked like the enemy. Yet when former Prime Minister Nakasone said that the failure of the U.S. were the results of Mexicans and blacks, I had to calm my fellow brothers and sisters down. At least they knew where I stood...ironically, it was in college.

Actually I don't blame affirmative action but how it was applied. I tried out as a police and firefighter.

[ShadowSpirit]

Japanese_American:

I can't image you not being able to get into law enforcement or firefighting due to discrimination or affirmative action. These jobs are usually always in demand. It could be that you didn't meet their strict criteria. These jobs require exams, psychological tests, physical tests, interviews, and successful passing of academic training. Which state did you apply for these jobs in?

I'm hardly a recruiter. Yet have you ever considered military service? You don't have to serve in infantry to be part of the military. The Navy offers Fire Controlman for firefighter and Master at Arms if you want to be in law enforcement. Yet, regardless of which job you choose, you would receive firefighter training as it is required for all sailors to be trained in this field (since you can't call 911 if a fire breaks out on a ship. Thus, it is up to you.)

[Japanese_American]

Japanese_American:
I can't image you not being able to get into law enforcement or firefighting due to discrimination or affirmative action. These jobs are usually always in demand. It could be that you didn't meet their strict criteria. These jobs require exams, psychological tests, physical tests, interviews, and successful passing of academic training. Which state did you apply for these jobs in?
I'm hardly a recruiter. Yet have you ever considered military service? You don't have to serve in infantry to be part of the military. The Navy offers Fire Controlman for firefighter and Master at Arms if you want to be in law enforcement. Yet, regardless of which job you choose, you would receive firefighter training as it is required for all sailors to be trained in this field (since you can't call 911 if a fire breaks out on a ship. Thus, it is up to you.)

Los Angeles, Ca. What happen was, there was a federal law requiring a proportional amount of fair representation in the department. Since there aren't too many Japanese in Los Angeles, Vietnamese being the largest, next Chinese, then Korean, I was at the bottom of the list. The recruiter said to just wait. I mean, they'll take my application in, I passed everything, but there was not a need for Japanese Americans. Again, I don't mind A.A., but when A.A. categorizes me as O (which means other and a classification for whites), then I had no chance. Again, Japanese Americans are under-represented, but the misnomer that we are successful is racist.

[ASHIKAGA]

Thread closed. I hope everyone who has participated had fun. :wave: