U.N. Makes It Official: Global Warming Is B.S.

[ArmandV]

Fox News has obtained a United Nations document outlining their scheme in dealing with "global warming." Just as many of us suspected, it is all about redistribution of wealth, job losses, taxes and dislocation.

http://armandsrancho.blogspot.com/2009/03/un-makes-it-official-global-warming-is.html

[hideway]

How exactly did U.N. made it "official"?
Did you at least read the articles?
Or the document?

[Malamis]

Oddly enough, Japan was the first one to call shenanigans on the whole thing from a serious standpoint, albeit from a very different viewpoint
Partially translated ac pap from JSER here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/)

[JimmySeal]

Ah, the unbiased and unslanted news source Fox News. I always have the urge to fall out of my chair laughing when someone cites them in a serious discussion.
Maybe their article would have been a bit more compelling if they had actually cited any part of the document instead of just calling it "concerning."

The UN did not introduce the concept of global warming to the world, nor have they been the sole driving force behind the effort to combat it. So even if that document proved that the UN's stance on global warming had nothing to do with the environment (it doesn't), the UN's behavior has nothing to do with whether global warming is real or not.

[Derfel]

Thank God that more people are already catching on to this fraudulent conspiracy. This just gives the skeptics more ammunition to fight these plans.

Sceptics? Fight? What?
And how exactly will that happen?
Neither side knows for sure whether it is real.

[ArmandV]

Somehow I just knew the lefties around here would bash Fox News and pooh-pooh the story.

[JimmySeal]

Any reason we shoudn't? We've still yet to hear any reasoned arguments or supporting quotations to back up your original comment. I know conservatives typically don't put a lot of stock in those things, but we lefties have come to expect them when having an intellectual discussion.

[ArmandV]

That's because you "lefties" believe in big and nanny government and want to control aspects of peoples' lives. :D

[JimmySeal]

What on earth are you talking about?

[ArmandV]

What on earth are you talking about?

C'mon, don't feign ignorance. LOL! This is all about using "global warming" or "climate change" as an excuse to spread the joys of socialism around the world.

[Derfel]

C'mon, don't feign ignorance. LOL! This is all about using "global warming" or "climate change" as an excuse to spread the joys of socialism around the world.

Typical conservative. Equating everyone with communists.
I drink to McCarthy.

[JimmySeal]

No, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I said I expect discussions to be based on some kind of logical foundation and you said that's because I want a nanny government to control people. Socrates would be rolling over in his grave.

[ArmandV]

Typical conservative. Equating everyone with communists.
I drink to McCarthy.

As Mike Cash would say, thanks for astutely noticing that I said not one word about communists.

[Derfel]

As Mike Cash would say, thanks for astutely noticing that I said not one word about communists.

I need not express words, when you clearly imply it through your visions of a conspiracy. Especially considering that you use plural, as if all the non-conservatives have reached some sort of consensus, and are waiting eagerly to take the economy down with deception and lies.

[Malamis]

It's called the hive mind, and just about everyone in this thread has demonstrated it :D

[Derfel]

Tell you what. If the whole thing is a lie, we may lose out, the economy will struggle a bit.
If its not, and yet we ignore it... we're f*cked.
And you know, we have invoked the ultimate negating power of malicious conspiracies (the blackest black magic), so any form of reference will be inadmissible for the next 1 million years.

[hideway]

How exactly did U.N. made it "official"?
Did you at least read the articles?
Or the document?Well.. did you?

[ArmandV]

Tell you what. If the whole thing is a lie, we may lose out, the economy will struggle a bit.
If its not, and yet we ignore it... we're f*cked.
And you know, we have invoked the ultimate negating power of malicious conspiracies (the blackest black magic), so any form of reference will be inadmissible for the next 1 million years.

If one accepts the proposition that there is global warming, there's no proof that it's manmade. If it is natural (the earth goes through heating and cooling cycles), there's nothing we can do about it anyway.

However, it has been reported that the earth has been cooling since 1998.

I need not express words, when you clearly imply it through your visions of a conspiracy. Especially considering that you use plural, as if all the non-conservatives have reached some sort of consensus, and are waiting eagerly to take the economy down with deception and lies.


There's other forms of socialism besides communism.

[ArmandV]

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php

[ArmandV]

Well.. did you?

Of course.

Here's the UN's own paper on this:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/032709_informationnote.pdf

FOX News executive editor George Russell reported Friday:

A United Nations document on “climate change” that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body.

Those and other results are blandly discussed in a discretely worded United Nations “information note” on potential consequences of the measures that industrialized countries will likely have to take to implement the Copenhagen Accord, the successor to the Kyoto Treaty, after it is negotiated and signed by December 2009.

The 16-page note, obtained by FOX News, will be distributed to participants at a mammoth negotiating session that starts on March 29 in Bonn, Germany, the first of three sessions intended to hammer out the actual commitments involved in the new deal.

[d3jake]

No debate can be had when either side drops logical discussion for talking down to people due to an assumed political view. If you want an actual discussion then drop the political BS and start bringing out sources, until then, political name calling accomplishes about as much as a one-legged man at a butt kicking contest so hang up the egos and try again.

[Remixer]

I am going to stay waaaaaaay out of this discussion.

Mainly because I plan on buying a Nissan Skyline GTR later this year. :D







Remixer

[Pachipro]

What year Remixer? The car I owned in Japan in the late 70's and early 80's was a 1973 Nissan Skyline GT. It was the best car ever owned back then. My car was dark green. Too bad they don't show the back lights which were circular and really cool for the time.
http://image.motortrend.com/f/9493257/112_0712_02z+1973_nissan_skyline+white.jpg

[Remixer]

This one, mate. Metallic black. :)

http://www.dieselstation.com/up_pics/black-nissan-gt-r.jpg

I've always been a fan of shiny black cars with lots of electronic gadgets in them. :D






Remixer

[Pachipro]

Global warming is pure BS and it would be a shame to see these cars "outlawed". Now that is a cool looking car Remixer. What a change in 36 years. However, I would be glad to own any one of them at the present time! When it comes to the Skyline, it will always remain a top pick to me.

[Remixer]

Global warming is pure BS and it would be a shame to see these cars "outlawed". Now that is a cool looking car Remixer. What a change in 36 years. However, I would be glad to own any one of them at the present time! When it comes to the Skyline, it will always remain a top pick to me.


100% agreement.

I always liked black Nissan Skylines. :)







Remixer

[Putrefaction]

I consider myself below average intelligence. I read a conservative's view on global warming. It stated that it does not take a liberal to realize that pumping hundreds of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere with a depleted ozone layer to realize that even the concept of global warming can be true. Even if it is not true and the earth is going through climate changes, the least and best thing we should do -- as our DUTY and OBLIGATION -- is to limit and eventually stop our "carbon emission".
It makes me sad to think that people who are more intelligent than me can think that global warming is a hoax. That's probably what everyone thought with CFC's and here we f'n are. Sulfur-spewing factories in Europe endangering public health, so many uninformed decisions...sometimes I liken global warmer nay-sayers to those people who denied AIDS was anything but GRID and then once again, here we are, too late and truly ****** until drugs like Combivir and Kaletra will actually work... Do you really think that the exhaust from a dump truck is doing nothing? We have had fuel for more than fourty years now, and not this 27 MPG we have nowadays, it was like 11-13 and with much more pollution...we're just seeing the after effects now, and they are continuing.
One might claim, but it's been colder! That disproves global warming! Think of what we've done. America as a whole has taken one baby step into the green field.
To end my claim, do you know that India is coming out with a car that costs 2000 dollars, which even the "poor" families will be able to afford, I think the Yata (or something)? I have said from the start, if it comes onto the market, say good ******* bye to the environment. Imagine if China was exposed to that.
On that subject we're also wasting quite a lot of plastic which will not degrade, are you against paying higher prices for soy-based plastics that deteriorate (with proper landfill chemicals) into core components which will be reused in 500 days or so? I wouldn't mind paying extra. I already get groceries in cloth bags. I hate to drag it into that field.
And you thought I wasn't below average intelligence, this will surely prove my point!

[hideway]

One might claim, but it's been colder! That disproves global warming! LOL :lol:

Sorry, I just had to.
:blush:

[Elizabeth]

To end my claim, do you know that India is coming out with a car that costs 2000 dollars, which even the "poor" families will be able to afford, I think the Yata (or something)? I have said from the start, if it comes onto the market, say good ******* bye to the environment. Imagine if China was exposed to that.
Absolutely auto makers going to exert themselves for the eventual billion plus middle class consumers in China and India. I only hope those light cars are not just energy efficient but actual hybrids or flexible-fuel convertible.

If they are gasoline-only, besides being essentially worthless in a decade any acceleration in oil prices will make driving unaffordable for everyone. And face it, oceans have probly already absorbed enough of the planet's excess heat and CO2 we're locked into temperatures that will make global warming (=environmental disruption) irreversible in even the best case scenario...for the next foreseeable if not thousand years, tens of thousands of millennia...:( :mad:

[Remixer]

Hybrids don't measure up nearly as well as people think.

In fact, most of them have a similar fuel-consumption as compared to fuel-only cars.

The best options so far are hydrogen-fueled or electric cars. Development for both of them are steadily underway and progress is being made.

I have to say, Lotus' Tesla is one sexy sports car.

The biggest hindrance for hydrogen-fueled cars is the production of hydrogen and storage of it.

It is apparently quite inefficient and costly at this point of time and there are numerous safety concerns, but if a safe way can be developed, it might just be revolutionary.








Remixer

[Elizabeth]

I'm not convinced that geo-engineering is the way to go, but this is a major escalation of the struggle and indicates the US at least may finally dead serious about the strongest possible action on global warming.


The president's new science adviser said that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing drastic options to cool Earth's air....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hm1kMpA2nQALOfQL8Y8PxxTHNVtgD97EBF300

[Putrefaction]

hideaway, I'm not sure how thats funny. I've heard that as a legitimate argument. It snowed today, in NYC. By April it's usually summer. It snowed a shitton this year as well.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-perspec0405nanoapr05,0,986838.story

Sorry, it was the Tata, not Yata. And my favorite quote of the story:

Because of this huge potential market, and even though the Nano emits 25 percent less carbon dioxide per mile than a standard automobile, environmentalists are terrified by the micro-car. Nobel Prize winner Rajendra Pachauri, head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said he was "having nightmares" about the Nano and its potential to pollute.

This is just like that goddamn breast cancer incident where government and business pushes science into a direction that isn't exactly true. You either let a company make billions of dollar in revenue or you let the environment NOT ******* die.

I hate the way India is/acts so much sometimes.

[Half-n-Half]

hideaway, I'm not sure how thats funny. I've heard that as a legitimate argument. It snowed today, in NYC. By April it's usually summer. It snowed a shitton this year as well.

Well, the problem with that argument is that global warming does not predict that. From what I understand, global warming predicts a change in the climate of the entire planet over a long period by only a few degrees at most. A day of freak weather does not herald global warming; that's been going on for so long. The only reason people focus on those freak weather days now is because global warming is on the table.

[bakaKanadajin]

Global warming isn't BS, but the idea that it's being heavily influenced by human activity is in question.
There are a lot of changes taking place on the Earth and on other planets in the solar system as well. One thing people forget is that we are all living within the Sun's environment. We are not separate from the Sun, the Sun is the star in our system and we are within its sphere of influence. What it does directly affects us. If we ignore the sun and just look for 'domestic' reasons as to why the planets getting warmer, we'll definitely find reasons that seem to make sense without fully grasping the real reasons.

But that basically amounts to a lot of head scratching, scroll-writing and palm reading if you ask me. Politics influences science way too much to be anything more than it was say, when the Vatican was at the height of its power pre-enlightenment. Good science trumped by political ideology.

One example of the kind of dissenting voice that gets drowned out of official discussions:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

[Revenant]

I don't have the time to study global warming and it's causes in depth myself, so I'll trust the people who have the knowledge and expertise to tell me what's happening...

The majority of scientists that specialize in the field say global warming is in large part man-made....

[ArmandV]

The majority of scientists that specialize in the field say global warming is in large part man-made....

I doubt it's a "majority." There's a growing number of scientists who say quite the opposite.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3

[Pachipro]

Last Friday Lord Christopher Monckton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Bre nchley), former advisor to British PM Margaret Thatcher was to speak and debate Al Gore before Congress. At the last minute (apparently someone had checked his facts) he was refused to speak and told he was not welcome.

Why? Is he correct in his facts that global warming is caused by sunspot cycles and that during the Mediaeval Period, when sunspot activity was at a peak, that the earth was indeed warmer than it is today and that, due to no sunspot activity in the last year that the earth is going into a global cooling as it did during the "Mini Ice Age"? following the Mediaeval Warming Period?

He presents some compelling arguments and leads me to further believe that this Global Warming garbage is just that, garbage, and pure, unadulterated BS.

Read his web page concerning "35 Inconvenient Truths" at http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html)

Look at excerpts from his video that there is no global warming crisis here (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/videos/apocalypse_no_-_why_there_is_no_global_warming_crisis.html) and then come back and say global warming is a fact when the only fact remains is that it is all a ruse to control our way of life from what kind of light bulbs we use, to what kind of car we drive, to what ammenities we will have in our homes and how we will heat and cool it all at government directive. Is it any wonder why the government is taking over the mortgage industries, the automotive industries, the banking industries among others to be yet named? Look for talk of a "Global Carbon Tax" which will just go to finance the new world bank in the guise of "saving the planet".

For further truth and fact, listen to an interview with Lord Monckton yourself here (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=5614) and if you are still on the Global Warming BS bandwagon, or I should say, "Global Climate Change" (as that is the phrase they are using these days as they have so conveniently changed it and the controlled media rides along with it) then there is no help for you. You are just one of the sheeple who follow blindly everything you read and hear on the mainstream media without doing no independent research on your own and they are counting on the sheeple to further their agenda where they will control every aspect of your life.

Don't get me wrong here, I am all for doing away with oil and fossil fuels as they are a detriment to the environment and there ARE better, more cleaner fuels available, but the control that the oil companies have on our way of life and our governments is so strong that I will be long gone from this planet before they are implimented and used.

If Lord Monckton is wrong then he should've been allowed to speak before congress last week and have his facts refuted, but the fact that he wasn't ought to make everyone stand up and take notice that something is strange, really strange about this so called Global Warming BS for when one looks at the facts, an honest person comes to the conclusion that the sheeple are having the wool pulled over their eyes. Then again most sheeple are more comfortable with having the wool pulled over their eyes as they then do not have to do their own research.

[Putrefaction]

s it any wonder why the government is taking over the mortgage industries, the automotive industries, the banking industries among others to be yet named?

Yeah that's not the reason at all, dude.

[DCS]

It would be "stupid" and perhaps "Neanderthal" to think that pumping the atmosphere full of harm full gasses will not have an effect on the global climate or the health of the plane over time.

The impact of human activities has been evident on a localized scale for the past few hundred years i.e. the dust-bowls of the mid-west. The dust bowls was on a small scale in comparison to what global warming is supose to be doing but I think it just shows what a few years of stupidity can cause.

Human activities might not be causing global warming at the moment, or it might...
My logic tells me, and I stress its my logic, that at some point the earth will not be able to cope with the vast amount of polution we are dumping on it every day its just illogical.

And if you are still one of those people who think the earth is infinite and can handle infinite pollution and infinite over harvesting please be rational and get on a plane and fly to some other part of the world and you will soon find out that the world is really not all that big.

I think this, Im alive now and the hell with the rest, ill be dead when the s%^t hits in any case, attitude is the cause of the worlds problems. That is the root of the problem. I can think of a few reasons why that is. I can think of one reason but I might be called a socialist :souka:

[Chidoriashi]

I'm really not convinced either way. Basically nobody knows. I do say better safe than sorry. But, I do agree with Pachipro. For those of you hanging on for dear life to the global warming bandwagon, at the very least do not let yourself be manipulated by it. Pay attention to policies, and don't just "roll over" because somebody said "global warming" as if it is your cue to do your "trick".

[Kinsao]

Oooooh Remixer, what a gorgeous car!!! :12: :12: :12: I'm jealous!

As for global warming, there are studies that show different things, and truly I don't know what to believe. So I try and do my bit by not doing stuff that I know to be damaging to the environment... and for the rest, I have to admit I don't care so much, because I'll be dead, and leave my grandchildren to deal with it, sorry kids but I've had my innings...

[Drew-san]

Oooooh Remixer, what a gorgeous car!!! :12: :12: :12: I'm jealous!
As for global warming, there are studies that show different things, and truly I don't know what to believe. So I try and do my bit by not doing stuff that I know to be damaging to the environment... and for the rest, I have to admit I don't care so much, because I'll be dead, and leave my grandchildren to deal with it, sorry kids but I've had my innings...

You're only 29, you'll see the effects of it within your lifetime if things go as they're now expected to.

[ChrisGR]

Global warming is pure BS and it would be a shame to see these cars "outlawed". Now that is a cool looking car Remixer. What a change in 36 years. However, I would be glad to own any one of them at the present time! When it comes to the Skyline, it will always remain a top pick to me.

How can you be so sure? no man knows whats happening for sure. a lot of theories but no consensus...
So the real question is:
Are you willing to take the RISK and buy cars, pollute the environment, throw garbages on the recycle bins or you step out from your show-off ego and think about the other possibility, and ameliorate your way of life with more environment friendly behaviour?
The choice is individual but the outcome is ou there.