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Hezam

Apr 12, 2009, 03:16

Illusional

Apr 12, 2009, 03:27

i dunno about the rest of the world, but i think that the US is going through a small depression, but like the last one, this too will pass.

raverboy

Derfel

Apr 12, 2009, 07:12

These are hardly the worst issues we have ever faced. Nothing will happen to the world that has not happened before.

Elizabeth

Apr 12, 2009, 07:49

Jericho Desu

Apr 12, 2009, 08:26

Unfortunately as long as humans are in those countries (and ships...) then I think things are pretty normal for the world, the only question is when will someone finally push that red button and send us all to the next life

:D

Glenski

Apr 12, 2009, 09:11

There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they Do... Not... Know about it!

oh, and don't forget...
At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they're just trying to make a living.

Derfel

Apr 12, 2009, 09:33

hideway

Apr 12, 2009, 17:59

Mycernius

Apr 12, 2009, 18:10

Well, some stuff is gonna happen because Obama will bow and scrape and acquiese and appease to satisfy his longing for approval and approbation.

I mean for crying out loud there has not been a case of piracy against a US ship for hundreds of years.

Nor had an American President bowed before a foreign power. There is a growing list of things we can no longer say. This is just the beginning I am afraid. The world was tired of the U.S. being the world cop? Be careful what you wish and want for… be very careful. :D
:evil:
All world powers eventually go, to be relaced by someone new. It depends on how the old wish to go. George W would have gone down in a blaze of glory, and he tried, fortunately for the rest of the world Obama has a brain inside his head. It might stick in the US throat that it is slowly ebbing away, but that is the nature of human society. I should know, as the UK lost its power years ago, as did the French and the Spanish before them.

Of course because none wanted to easily relinquish their power that many countries are in the mess they are now. Will we learn? I hope so, but petty minded dictators and corrupt monarchies will always be around to try and upset the rest of us.

I would also like to point out that the only thing in danger is human society, not the world. This planet has managed to survive for the past 4.5 billion years. Life has been about for 3.5 billion years and has managed to survive catastrophes beyond even what we could do to this planet. We might destroy ourselves, but the world will keep turning and life will carry on.

Glenski

Apr 12, 2009, 20:20

I mean for crying out loud there has not been a case of piracy against a US ship for hundreds of years. In 2001 seven American ships were attacked, fifteen from the United Kingdom, just some of the 335 assaults worldwide; 241 seafarers were killed, held hostage, or wounded―civilians just doing their jobs.
http://www.modernpiracy.com/excerpt1.htm

Capt. Joseph Murphy, an instructor at the maritime academy on Cape Cod, said the pirates made a mistake taking on his son's ship. (2009)
http://www.gazette.com/articles/pirates_51418___article.html/ship_somali.html
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/national_world&id=6750541

Elizabeth

Apr 12, 2009, 20:38

All world powers eventually go, to be relaced by someone new. It depends on how the old wish to go. George W would have gone down in a blaze of glory, and he tried, fortunately for the rest of the world Obama has a brain inside his head. It might stick in the US throat that it is slowly ebbing away, but that is the nature of human society. I should know, as the UK lost its power years ago, as did the French and the Spanish before them.

Most Americans, including myself, are not particularly concerned about the new financial order being created today by 20 countries, rather than just the US and Britain, etc. I'm just sayin' when you have a clueless rube in the Whitehouse, who does not seem to understand that presidents can’t just say and do whatever pops into their head at any given moment, that international relations is a machiavellian dance, this 'transfer' of power is not going to be entrusted to the right people.*

A few more such overseas tours, and Obama will have a lot more decline to celebrate. Sorry to any who would celebrate his brain -- the idiot-in-chief is SO out of his league. :okashii:

*And while this country will not be AS influential, having to create multipolar coalitions with the rest of the world, it still has too many long term competitive advantages to be anything but a superpower....at least through the next few decades.

Mycernius

Apr 12, 2009, 21:59

I'm just sayin' when you have a clueless rube in the Whitehouse, who does not seem to understand that presidents can’t just say and do whatever pops into their head at any given moment, that international relations is a machiavellian dance, this 'transfer' of power is not going to be entrusted to the right people.*

You have already had a clueless rube in the Whitehouse. In fact you have had several clueless rubes in the Whitehouse, just that the last one was completely clueless.

In all honesty would you prefer to have someone like GW again?

Elizabeth

Apr 12, 2009, 22:40

You have already had a clueless rube in the Whitehouse. In fact you have had several clueless rubes in the Whitehouse, just that the last one was completely clueless.
In all honesty would you prefer to have someone like GW again?
In a heartbeat. The choice was actually for this gutless wonder over exceedingly competent opponants, but yes. We could be going very quickly from the frying pan to the fire. .....

It is the difference between W smiling inappropriately when talking about the war in Iraq and this gentlemen who is is supposed to be so much better than Bush, laughing (and not only when he's stoned) everything off, whether because he is nervous or in over his head, or having a melt down.

You can be the judge of that for yourself.

Mars Man

Apr 12, 2009, 23:32

Come on now, please. For crying out loud. . . the world is not quite in danger yet. The Homo sapien may be. A number of species may be, but not the world.

I'd like to ask why you left out 'me and my wife' in that list, Hezam san--the world begins at home, does it not?

Hezam

Apr 13, 2009, 03:31

Yes Mars Man san ^^

Elizabeth

Apr 13, 2009, 04:20

hideway

Apr 13, 2009, 05:54

Actually I can hardly see how any of those situations is going to be a long term problem.

North Korea is going to change leadership in a couple of years, and they aren't retarded or suicidal enough to attack other countries on themselves. Although they are a dictatorial regime, one that has all the proper strings attached, they are more worried about staying on power than on world change. To tell the truth there are many other groups or regimes that scare me way more than NK.

Somalian pirates really isn't anything new, they are around since the 90's. Sure, they got more notoriety ever since that last year UN's resolution to take them out. But nothing new. A few people with guns assaulting some ships isn't exactly a world danger. On a side note, I find it both intriguing and funny to see people associating a new President to the increase on piracy acts.

Pakistan is continuing to fight Talibans and other extremist on their soil. It would actually be easier for them to just ignore the whole thing and pretend that they didn't exist, but instead they really put their hands into rotting them out. We've got to admire their determination in be willing to fight a war in their own backyard. Although things seem grin on Afghanistan, they were worse a few years ago, for what I've read from the latest US's war strategy, they want to pick many learned lessons from Iraq and use them on there. With both Pakistan's help, nation rebuilding and troops boost I believe that they can pull this out and diminish the Taliban's threat greatly.

After the last Israel incursion on the Gaza Strip, the Hamas seems more willing to keep talks with both the Fatah and Israel, although it was a terrible event, which led to destruction and death, it seems that Israeli action somehow paid off. The Fatah might be too weaked to react, specially if they want to be able to survive as a group. At least for now. Anyway, the political scene is looking as good as one could hope for.

The economy is not going to melt or disappear. What are're passing through It is only another economic cycle, and nothing too much unexpected. I've got friends who already knew for years that something like this was on the way, the bubble were quite evident and the only thing no one knew was the time of the burst. The economy will, as always, regenerate itself, companies will restructure, business will either fail or grow, governments will apply lots of regulations in the next few years, and eventually someday everything will go back to how we're today.

This is actually a great time to start your own business or to grow one that you already own. Are're bound to have cheap credit and lots of government incentives. (and European's if you live in Europe like me)

Oh, almost forgot. What about Georgia? Regional conflict. It was not really clear what happened. To tell the truth I'm more leaned to believe the Russian's version. Sure, they overkilled the Georgian side, but why wouldn't they? They claim to have justification and I've seen a couple of confirmations from refugees on television. Even on Fox News if you can believe that. None of the sides are exactly angels, and both were politically motivated to do what they did, but I find it unacceptable the behaviour of Georgia. (If they actually did everything the Russian's said they did of course, one never knows).

To sum it all, life is great.
:-)

Hezam

Apr 13, 2009, 06:37

Thanks everyone for your posts,I think small issues graw up and become real problems so the world MUST Resolve them quickly...
-The Problem with NK is the NKorean Gov doesnt trust America,If America show Good intentions there will be more Positive attitudes of NK.
-In Somalia,the world should help poor people to avoid their danger,As you know the one who does'nt have a job or enough money will try a bad way to get money.
-Georgia,It's not clear...
-Palestin-Israel,No need to explain...
-Economic conditions,i belive if they stop usury deal they can resolve the problem.

Thta's what i think...Any ideas ?

hideway

Apr 13, 2009, 07:12

North Korea problem is not the USA. American's are just a scape goat and a way of unifying the country against a common enemy, diverting the attentions from the real problems in the country. It is the same in Cuba, Venezuela, Iran (to name the most obvious USA haters) and many others.

I find it interesting that you mentioned the fact that most Somalian pirates do what they do because of the economic situation in their country. That is indeed a good point, most people usually just shout "THEY'RE EVIL! JUST KILL THEM ALL!" and discard any analysis on why pirates turned to become pirates.

Similarly, and since the Afghanistan war was mentioned on this topic, I recall Obama speaking about reaching out the Taliban's moderates, those who aren't really American's haters, nor Islamic extremist but that instead are there only because it is their job. When the country is in ruins and the only ones who offer jobs and money are the Taliban, it is bound that some people will eventually get recruited. Hopefully this broader analysis of the situation can help Afghanistan to finally be free of those guys, and consequently from the Americans.

Derfel

Apr 13, 2009, 07:20

why pirates turned to become pirates.

Because they weren't keelhauled frequently enough.

Hezam

Apr 13, 2009, 07:21

Oh you are right about Nourth Korea,And yes,Pirates are doing that to stay alive,As you know Somalia is a desert so it's very hard to live without job or at least "food" !

Elizabeth

Apr 13, 2009, 08:34

I find it interesting that you mentioned the fact that most Somalian pirates do what they do because of the economic situation in their country. That is indeed a good point, most people usually just shout "THEY'RE EVIL! JUST KILL THEM ALL!" and discard any analysis on why pirates turned to become pirates.

Well, the country has been poor basically forever and the piracy industry started about 10 to 15 years ago… at first as a response to illegal fishing and nuclear dumping (mostly by Europeans) off their coast. Only thing is, the boats being attacked 2009 are not either the illegal fishers or the dumpers.
They are merely attacking any target that will get them a nice fat ransom. It’s ALL about the money, now, and the fishing and dumping abuses have become the convenient excuse to terrorize anyone they want, for money.

What the context was for it escalating dramatically in 2006, 2008 in the Gulf of Aden in particular I'm not so sure. Maybe a new clan moving in ? Sorry I'm too harried now to investigate, someone else might have a better clue.

The UN resolution was the trigger Japan needed to dispatch two Japanese destroyers to the Gulf of Aden 3 weeks ago with the initial mission of protecting their own ships and Japanese nationals. US administration has not been so smart and let shipping companies off the hook as far as requiring armed protection on board...On the other hand, the sheer size of our cargo fleets in the area make a military ship guarding all vessels at all times obviously logistically impossible.

This time at least we got the result we wanted–the immediate crisis is over. :relief:

justin

Apr 13, 2009, 09:18

At this point all I care about is making sure my family is taken care of it. As for the rest of the world? Get a lawn chair, something to drink, and watch it burn.

Derfel

Apr 13, 2009, 09:55

They are merely attacking any target that will get them a nice fat ransom. It’s ALL about the money, now, and the fishing and dumping abuses have become the convenient excuse to terrorize anyone they want, for money.

Maybe we should start dumping a bit closer to their hideouts. :D

kusojiji

Apr 13, 2009, 10:56

At this point all I care about is making sure my family is taken care of it. As for the rest of the world? Get a lawn chair, something to drink, and watch it burn.

Having seeds for dinner?

Hezam

Apr 13, 2009, 13:16

Is something funny here !!
I expected some serious words from you especially American people !
I mean since America is the "Cop" and the most responsible country,It should be more careful about what happend now especially since North Korea Threaten it and also Afghanistan...etc.
I dont mean to anger you but Is'nt that true ?

Elizabeth

Apr 14, 2009, 06:52

Oh you are right about Nourth Korea,And yes,Pirates are doing that to stay alive,As you know Somalia is a desert so it's very hard to live without job or at least "food" !
Do you not have people poorer than yourself living nearby ?

When you get robbed or kidnapped, I hope the police yawn, and say “Well, what did you expect, living in a nice house right next to people who have nothing?” :p You know, the police really have better things to do than worry about protecting you, when you were stupid enough to have some wealth in sight of those who don’t. :relief:

Not to be snarky or anything, but seriously modern piracy is a trivial problem with simple, proven and well understood solutions.

First, the ships need to stop violating the law of common sense by traveling with minimal security at such slow speeds to save fuel that they cannot evade a small boat in a high risk piracy area from pulling up alongside it.

If these merchant marine companies don't take responsibility they continue to be sitting ducks. So there also needs to be an international coalition of destroyers ready to step in that makes it impossible for a bunch of Somali clans or warlords to head out to sea with their weapons and collect millions of dollars in ransom.

Not tactically, on the ground complicated -- but you do have to be very, very tough from a strategic standpoint or this thing will continue like the plague. One thing you won't see is another land operation in Somalia Blackhawk Down style. Two centuries ago the British could go in and attack the pirates’ base. Today because the pirates aren't organized into any kind of military force that would wipe out whole villages and is totally off the charts of possibility. :okashii:

Hezam

Apr 14, 2009, 08:12

hideway

Apr 14, 2009, 09:00

The point here is not about doing charity.
When people starve they take desperate actions, it's that simple.

justin

Apr 14, 2009, 09:15

Having seeds for dinner?

Nope, I was thinkin about sushi. I don't care much for seeds. :cool:

kusojiji

Apr 14, 2009, 11:01

Nope, I was thinkin about sushi. I don't care much for seeds. :cool:

Ok, from your previous post it sounded a lot like you were a seed eater.

justin

Apr 14, 2009, 11:13

Ok, from you previous post it sounded a lot like you were a seed eater.

My previous post was me in a very bad mood.

When the world's in danger we all just have to do our part to make it a better place. Tons of hard work, but we all just need to roll up our sleeves and get it done.

kusojiji

Apr 14, 2009, 11:34

Well, alright then.

ArmandV

Apr 14, 2009, 12:04

The world is in danger?! What, an asteroid is heading straight for us?

Derfel

Apr 14, 2009, 14:07

Yes i understand,But dont you think if i help poor people near me they will not do such bad acts to me ? ^^

the world should do something to Somalia to avoid any dangerous crimes like the poor somalian people being Pirates,Do you agree ?

I have a flatmate who is doing economics. One notable day, he told me about the most important principle of economics: there are less resources than the overall population of the Earth requires. Add to this our inherent selfishness, the instinct to ensure our survival, and the answer is clear. It would be nice of the world to do something, but I don't see an obligation arising.

Malamis

Apr 14, 2009, 17:47

The world is in danger?! What, an asteroid is heading straight for us?
Yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis) actually.
As for the current economic, social and etc problems, it's nothing a bit of indiscriminate, equal opportunity genocide couldn't solve.

Or, the less drastic, a return to eugenics.

Mycernius

Apr 15, 2009, 00:35

Yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis) actually.

The article does state that it is a 2.7 % chance that it might hit us, which has since been downgraded. I have also seen it listed at 2.2 % for 2029, again, downgraded.

nanook

Apr 15, 2009, 01:13

listed at 2.2 % for 2029So 2029 it is. Very nice. So we can actually sop worrying about the Y2K38-problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem). Good to know.

Malamis

Apr 15, 2009, 01:18

The course was (last time I checked) to be finalised in the 2029 flyby, to determine whether it will hit in 2036~ . Still, it's evidently been revised.

So aye, crisis averted. :blush:

Derfel

Apr 15, 2009, 03:35

I think its time we start negotiations with Bruce Willis.

Elizabeth

Apr 15, 2009, 06:25

Yes i understand,But dont you think if i help poor people near me they will not do such bad acts to me ? ^^
the world should do something to Somalia to avoid any dangerous crimes like the poor somalian people being Pirates,Do you agree ?
The true disease is international exploitation. Piracy is merely a symptom.
It's virtually a risk-free resource swap in a criminal land without any form of real government. Somalis collect up to $100 million a year from pirate ransoms and the Europeans and Asians poach $300 million a year in trawled fish from Somali waters. Piracy is an acceptable way of taxing the real hypocritical lawbreakers, and so it becomes their right.

Extreme and chronic poverty plays a role, but obviously most desperate people are not criminals any more than most Muslims are terrorists.

Hezam

Apr 15, 2009, 06:40

Oh wait !
The Only reason is the Foreign fishing companies which looted the wealth of fish in Somalia.
You have to read more about the real reason behind this issue.
When "Almahakim Al-Islamia" became the Goverment of Somalia they stop Piracy there But because of America and Ethiopia,Chaos reigned there and Piracy started.

please read more about the real reason.

mobile1

Apr 15, 2009, 18:07

Hi everyone.
As you see lately many things happend and still happining..
Political conditions:
-Nourth Korea.
-Somalian Pirates.
-Georgia.
-Pakistan-Afghanistan.
-Palestin-Israel.
Economic conditions like Car agencies and Oil prices ,Jobs..etc.
What do you think will happen to the world ?
Please discuss the reasons and try to give some solutions for these issues.

I think that the Federal Reserve Bank will be implementing quantitative easing to such a degree that it will bring about a global hyperinfation. Japan needs to have Article 9 removed from the constitution so that they can remilitarize once again. The United States would then be able to save money on military defence. Japan is No.1 when it comes to technology so I am sure that Sony can make weapons better than the USA if they are given the permission to do so. Could you imagine if Toyota made military airplanes how effective their Airforce technology would be? They don't have to put a man to risk their lives to fight. All they would have to do is play nintendo and fly the airplane using a remote control. Now I am sure that many Japanese boys and girls would be willing to join up to play videogames that may have real consequences when it comes to shooting their enemies, but they themselves would be out of harms way as the aircraft will not be manned. This would mean that both boys and girls would be able to join up since their own lives would not be in danger. (You also would not get any deserters, only a hungry line up to play nintendo).

I also think that when hyperinflation hits, the US Marines in Afghanistan would cease to fight. Their GI Bill would become worthless, so they would not have any incentive to continue to fight. As well, the US administration would not have the luxury to be caring for another country if the Department of Homeland Security would be in Chaos.

kusojiji

Apr 15, 2009, 22:22

I think that the Federal Reserve Bank will be implementing quantitative easing to such a degree that it will bring about a global hyperinfation. Japan needs to have Article 9 removed from the constitution so that they can remilitarize once again. The United States would then be able to save money on military defence. Japan is No.1 when it comes to technology so I am sure that Sony can make weapons better than the USA if they are given the permission to do so. Could you imagine if Toyota made military airplanes how effective their Airforce technology would be? They don't have to put a man to risk their lives to fight. All they would have to do is play nintendo and fly the airplane using a remote control. Now I am sure that many Japanese boys and girls would be willing to join up to play videogames that may have real consequences when it comes to shooting their enemies, but they themselves would be out of harms way as the aircraft is not manned. This would mean that both boys and girls would be able to join up since their own lives would not be in danger. (You also would not get any deserters).
I also think that when hyperinflation hits, the US Marines in Afghanistan would cease to fight. Their GI Bill would become worthless, so they would not have any incentive to continue to fight.

You are not exactly a military, sociology or economics expert, are you?

Hezam

Apr 16, 2009, 00:08

mobile1 : If Japanese start making weapons it will make it worse and more dangerous but what they should have is the right to protect them selves.

Pachipro

Apr 16, 2009, 00:42

mobile1 you are quite correct in your assessment.

You are not exactly a military, sociology or economics expert, are you?
And I believe neither are you. Man how that name fits you kuso. Do you have no opinion of your own other than trolling and throwing insults without so much as any input or stance? Perhaps your name should be kuso no atama! At least he's offering opinions and reasoning for his thoughts. You, on the other hand offer zilch other than a molotov cocktail insult.

mobile1 : If Japanese start making weapons it will make it worse and more dangerous but what they should have is the right to protect them selves.

If Japan did away with Article 9 China and Korea would become spooked thinking that JApan may attack them again. Most believe this to be false, but try telling that to the Chinese and Koreans. Their governments will incite the people that Japan's intentions are warlike. Therefore, Japan succumbs to the will of the US by letting them take the lead in protection.

However, like Hezam, I believe Japan has the right to defend itself and should take the lead in its own defense regardless of what the US says. Article 9 does not prohibit Japan from protecting itself. Thus you have what is known as the Japanese Self Defense Forces.

The Only reason is the Foreign fishing companies which looted the wealth of fish in Somalia.
You have to read more about the real reason behind this issue.

We are also told that on some news stations Hezam. If that is indeed the case, then why do not the Somali pirates attack the fishing vessels and take them as hostage and keep the fishing vessels for their own use in feeding their people? Because there is no money in seizing fishing vessels that's why. The Somali's discovered that it is far more lucrative to take cargo vessels and hold them for ransom which the foolish countries continue to pay without doing anything to stop further attacks.

There must be a reason why the world does not stop these attacks when they so easily could, but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe it's to keep the worlds attention diverted while they go on with their plans for a one wold banking system and government. I don't know. Maybe someone is financing the pirates for their own gain. A few pirate ships blown out of the water would quickly end this game, but it goes on. David is easily defeating Goliath with stones when Goliath has bombs and missles. Something is definitely strange with this scenerio.

Hezam

Apr 16, 2009, 00:57

You are right Pachipro,I wonder why dont they stop the Pirates while they can !
I think the pirates are considering what they do like a revenge but that's a big mistake,they can attack the fishing chips,I dont agree with that but i think they have the right to protect what they have on their ground !

Derfel

Apr 16, 2009, 01:26

I'm not very familiar with their psychology, but I don't think they particularly care who they attack, hence it cannot be said that they would be protecting their assets. I mean, yes, the ghost of some principle or ideal is there, but its merely a ghost, not conviction.

If you want to fight on the international front, it is always a good idea to pose as an unfortunate victim. But pirates do not possess this reputation, and so most people will just dismiss them as pirates, it is only the few who try to investigate the matter will know the 'why?'.

Piracy is more of an existence struggle, and will give them a bad international reputation. It is one more step towards barbarisation. Although it is understandable, and really, its hard to put all the blame on them, it shows the lack of conviction in pursuit of any common goal really.

My view is that they should be viewed as nothing more than pirates. Anyone who wants to protect her assets on the international 'battlefield' must play by the rules of said battlefield.

Piracy will never solve their problems entirely, and if they don't promote an legitimate goal through legitimate means, agreed upon by the country, they should not be viewed as the representatives of their people, but mere criminals.

Malamis

Apr 16, 2009, 03:30

There must be a reason why the world does not stop these attacks when they so easily could, but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe it's to keep the worlds attention diverted while they go on with their plans for a one wold banking system and government. I don't know. Maybe someone is financing the pirates for their own gain. A few pirate ships blown out of the water would quickly end this game, but it goes on. David is easily defeating Goliath with stones when Goliath has bombs and missles. Something is definitely strange with this scenerio.
I remember an assembly of retired admirals (the kind that actually went to sea as opposed to desk officers) was asked that very question in September, and the answer they gave was something close to human rights violations. There was some rather bizarre politicking which revealed that, technically, any stateless pirate who surrendered and requested asylum would have to be granted it, or the commanding officer would be answerable to the UK customs office, and would likely lose his commission. This was September mind, I haven't followed it further.

There was an equally bizarre complaint from the Canadian Navy which was blown entirely out of proportion, wherein the commander of a smaller gunboat was charged with wasting ammunition and demoted for firing on a small flotilla of dinghies whose crew were firing rocket propelled grenades at the ship; not the crew, the actual hull. One crew was apparently captured, and the interrogation revealed that, they thought they could win because they outnumbered the Canadian vessel.

Finally, the mass of unregistered etc and lol shipping in the area means that it's entirely possible for a well intentioned and fervent captain to blow a perfectly innocent/honest ship out of the water, and given how politicians are presently treating (expensive) armed services , this isn't a wise career move to say the least.

But it warmed my cockle-y heart to hear about the navy SEAL rescue of captain whats-his-face.