Codex

[bakaKanadajin]

http://www.infowars.com/billions-of-people-expected-to-die-under-current-codex-alimentarius-guidelines/

Nutritional degradation for the purpose of reducing population?

Let's take JUST the facts and forget any New World Order stuff just for a moment.

The bottom line is that these days food is a product, it's profitable.
At cheap restaurants they water down the soda to save/make money.
Increasing monopoly and market share (Monsantos) is precisely what oil companies and companies like Microsoft and Apple have done.

Why would food be any different?

Perhaps we just assume food will always be there. Food is always, has always been there, it's food, they can't possibly take it away from us. It's an unspoiled relatively safe product, it's different from oil, vehicles, etc.

Is that safe, cozy assumption going to stop major companies from tightening their grip on things?

It hasn't stopped them from screwing with water, and they're about to screw with food from the looks of things. Governments in Canada and the US have already attempted to pass legislation that would bring simple Vitamins under federal regulation and outlaw their free sale.

So my topic is posted in this manner:

Companies may be treating food as a consumer good and they feel they have a right to alter its composition, quality, and change the availability of choices just like any other product. Do you agree with this?

Do you feel this is different from all the other BS stuff big corporations do, would you draw a line here? Or, continue to let free market do what it needs?

[Derfel]

I think its fine as long as it doesn't pose any health risks. I mean, yeah, tasty food would be awesome, but less labour and resource intense methods of making food would be even better.

[Pachipro]

A good article bkj, but one that I feel will be overlooked by the general populace who will deem it fear mongering and/or more conspiracy bs. Besides, it's probably too long for them to read anyway as it's longer than a Twitter message. Little do they realize, however, that it is happening before their very eyes, but they are too distracted with other things to take notice until it is too late.

These major companies want control over the food supply and will do anything to get it including buying off politicians to pass legislature like CODEX among other.

What struck my interest was the following paragraphs:
Codex sets limits for the dangerous industrial chemicals that can be used in food, but they are incredibly high, and the list of chemicals that can be used is long. In 2001, 176 countries including the U.S. got together and decided that 12 highly toxic organic chemicals, known as persistent organic pollutants (POPS) were so bad that they had to be banned. There are many more than 12 toxic chemicals used on food, but these 12 were unanimously declared to be the worst. Of these, 9 are pesticides.

Under Codex, 7 of the 9 forbidden POPS will again be allowed in the production of food. All together, Codex allows over 3,275 different pesticides, including those that are suspected carcinogens or endocrine disrupters. There is no consideration of the long-term effects of exposure to mixtures of pesticide residues in food.

Organic food governance will be dumbed down to suit the interests of large food producers. Various synthetic chemical additives and processing aids will be allowed, and food labeled as organic may be irradiated. Labeling will permit the use of hidden, non-organic ingredients.

Monsanto, a member of Codex, will benefit greatly as production of genetically modified (GM) foods are stepped up and more GM plants are given the green light. Terminator seeds will be approved for international trade. GM food animals will also be on the way.
Under Codex, every dairy animal can be treated with growth hormone, and all animals in the food chain will be treated with sub-clinical levels of antibiotics, according to Dr. Laibow. She claims that Codex will lead to the required irradiation of all foods with the exception of those grown locally and sold raw.

Dr. Laiblow sees Codex as "food regulations that are in fact the legalization of mandated toxicity and under-nutrition". According to her, the WHO and FAO estimate that of the 3 billion people initially expected to die as the result of the Codex vitamin and mineral guidelines, 2 billion of them will die from the preventable diseases that result from under-nutrition, such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and many others. Those who will live will be the wealthy elites who are able to somehow provide themselves with sources of clean food and other nutrients.
CODEX goes hand-in-hand with the vitamin CODEX which was being pushed through in England and Europe. Here, the government mandates how much of any vitamin can be in food and how much a person can buy at any given time without a doctors prescription. It also goes hand-in-hand with the pharmaceutical industries which will supply the drugs that the sick people will be forced to buy even though they will probably die anyway. All greed and nothing more.

Here is a link to what's going on in Europe at the same time that it is going on in the USA: http://www.thenhf.com/codex.html

Scroll down and read a few of the articles. And if some people do not believe or know that the same thing is going on in the US, it has already passed the first step. Here is a link to HR875, The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 that, if one reads between the lines, can (and probably will) outlaw home production of organic food: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875 And Monsanto has their fingerprints all over the bill as the bills sponsor is the wife of a Monsanto high executive.

Does anyone know if a similar CODEX is being pushed in Japan also? I'd be interested in knowing. My gut feeling tells me yes. Ok I just did my own quick search and the answer is YES. The only article I could find without doing a deeper search is this one from the Japan Consumers Union in 2007: http://cujtokyo.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/codex-task-force-report-and-comments/

Well that confirms that it is world wide and may be law this year or next.

If "they" get their way there will be no free market when it comes to food. As Henry Kissinger said,

"He who controls the food supply controls the people;

He who controls energy can control whole continents;

He who controls money controls the world."

They are pushing damn hard to get their way as Kissinger has his fingerprints on all three.

[undrentide]

Thank you BakaKanadajin and Pachipro for very interesting posts.

I was never aware of CODEX (Codex Alimentarius) can be an issue until now.
I looked up internet for some information but all I can get is that it is 食品の国際規格 (international standards for food) and its main purpose is to protect consumer's health and fair trade of food.
http://www.maff.go.jp/j/syouan/kijun/codex/index.html

A good article bkj, but one that I feel will be overlooked by the general populace who will deem it fear mongering and/or more conspiracy bs. Besides, it's probably too long for them to read anyway as it's longer than a Twitter message. Little do they realize, however, that it is happening before their very eyes, but they are too distracted with other things to take notice until it is too late.[quote]

You're right, I do not think most people (including myself!) are paying much attention to this.

[QUOTE=Pachipro;639121]
Does anyone know if a similar CODEX is being pushed in Japan also? I'd be interested in knowing. My gut feeling tells me yes. Ok I just did my own quick search and the answer is YES. The only article I could find without doing a deeper search is this one from the Japan Consumers Union in 2007: http://cujtokyo.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/codex-task-force-report-and-comments/

Strange thing is, I tried to find the information in Japanese from the website (in English) by Consumers Union of Japan （日本消費者連盟） and could not find much about Codex in the Japanese website, what I managed to find is their rather old statement as of March 2003.
http://www.nishoren.org/statement/statement-top.html
http://www.nishoren.org/statement/statement-contents/bunshoXX-030311%20kodexapiiru.html
I wonder why the article published by a Japanese organization for Japanese consumer in English exists and its original (?) in Japanese language is not available.
:?

Anyway, for those (especially Japanese members) who are interested in CODEX and its possible threat, I would like to contribute a little bit of additional information.

(1) Web pages on CODEX by 社団法人日本食品衛生協会 (Japan Food Hygiene Association).
http://www.n-shokuei2.jp/food_hygienic/codex/sec01.shtml
It gives brief and clear explanation on CODEX.
http://www.n-shokuei2.jp/food_hygienic/codex/sec07.shtml
And it even states what can be a problems about CODEX. (Very vague, and not really saying CODEX can be a threat, but anyway...)

同時にある食品に一定の規格を与えると、各国食品産業 に対し経済的に大きな影響を与えます。特定地域に有利 なコーデックス規格が採択されれば、それが世界規格となり、 その地域は世界貿易できわめて有利な立場に立つでしょ う。

(2) An article from Agriculture Society "Is the Threat of Codex Alimentarius Real or a Hoax?" (in English)
http://agriculturesociety.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/threat-of-codex/
For a person with a very slow working brain, articles of this length is helpful. :relief:
(3) An entry from a personal blog on Codex (Dr.Rima Laibow's video)
http://cybervisionz.jugem.jp/?eid=79

I admit that I haven't fully understood this issue but it's worthwhile to try to understand and think about it. For me, at least.

[bakaKanadajin]

undrentide san, very good information thank you.

The statement made by the nishoren group is very strong, its very much position that groups in the US and Canada hold.

I looked up some of the groups listed at the bottom who are listed as supporters, and not all of them (actually not many of them) immediately came up via search, some of them are lacking easy-to-find webpages. I found a few pages like this:

http://www.seikatsuclub.coop/old/ikiiki/stop_gmo/ine/stop_ine.html

But they don't have any updated information that I can see. The last statement towards Codex from that group is from 2001.

I wonder who is the strongest lobby group against 遺伝子組み換え right now and where they are focusing their political action. I think one of the issues is that farmers in the West face increasing pressure from companies like Monsantos and so their voices are heard more often. However in Japan, most meat and wheat and other such products are imported so we only see the finished product here, we rarely hear the farmers voices.

But, I noticed several references to rice plants 稲 so I'm sure the rice farmers in Japan are starting to feel the pressure to use GMO (遺伝子組み換え品) on their farms.

[undrentide]

Thank you bakaKanadajin san for the additional info and comments.

I wonder who is the strongest lobby group against 遺伝子組み換え right now and where they are focusing their political action. I think one of the issues is that farmers in the West face increasing pressure from companies like Monsantos and so their voices are heard more often. However in Japan, most meat and wheat and other such products are imported so we only see the finished product here, we rarely hear the farmers voices.

But, I noticed several references to rice plants 稲 so I'm sure the rice farmers in Japan are starting to feel the pressure to use GMO (遺伝子組み換え品) on their farms.

I do not know who is leading anti-GMO, but GMO 遺伝子組み換え is well known and if you go to supermarkets you'll see most tofu/natto showing 遺伝子組み換えされていない大豆を使用 (only non-GMO soybeans are used).

You are right that currently people are paying much attention to the imported food such as soy beans, wheat, rice (sometime ago GMO rice was found among those imported from China and it became a very big issue) because in Japan GMO is strictly controlled.

But tests and experimental cultivation are already being made in Japan, I do hope that government would keep them under strict control so that we can choose non-GMO food. I do not want to eat what I do not want without knowing...

Checking about GMO and rice, I found this website:
遺伝子組み換えイネ市民監視センター
GMR-Watch Center
http://teikeimai.net/gm-rice/