Yoshiki

[Twisted]

Big news!!
I just read the new Steve McClure column in the Japan Times and it said that the former drummer/pianist of the legendary rockband X-Japan is to join Tetsuya Komuro's danceoutfit Globe:

http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fm20020904sm.htm

I'm very curious what the musical result of this new Globe will be.
They've worked together in the early 90's in a project called V2, which was basicly X-Japan with synthesizers.

[ruth~route]

em... may i know the lastest news about Yoshiki, previously from X Japan? i heard dat he's in globe now. but i also heard dat he's only involved in production now. i went to his official site, but it haven't been updated for a long time since 2002. i really hope to know the truth very much. :?

[Illaparatzo-sama]

I think he only composes and produces for globe. I haven't seen him in any magazines or anything since Fool's Mate last December. No releases since late last year(Violet UK, globe, DAHLIA)... I think he's been pretty dormant this year.

[Winter]

Last time I saw him was at PMX. Havent been able to talk to him or any of his people in months though.

[ruth~route]

urgh... dat's a pity. i love it when he plays e piano and drums. miss him when he was in X.

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Last time I saw him was at PMX. Havent been able to talk to him or any of his people in months though.
...AND NO ONE ANSWERS THE PHONE AT EXTASY RECORDS!!

I think it's actually just a phone sitting in an alley somewhere in LA, which is why there's never any answer ^^
Of course, I only called twice out of curiousity then I went and lost the number.

Lydia

[ruth~route]

so there's no clue of how he is now... :(

[Twisted]

I believe he's already left Globe. It was only for one album.

He's been working for ages on his Violet UK project. Not sure if it still lives though.

Latest i've heard he's producing a Korean band called "The Trax".

Got that from here: http://www.yoshikinet.com

[Winter]

...AND NO ONE ANSWERS THE PHONE AT EXTASY RECORDS!!

I think it's actually just a phone sitting in an alley somewhere in LA, which is why there's never any answer ^^
Of course, I only called twice out of curiousity then I went and lost the number.

Lydia

It depends on what number you call. They have two american lines, and one Japanese line.

Last time I called them was at about 12:30 in the morning and they were working with someone in their studio. Try calling at odd hours.

[ruth~route]

which globe album is dat?
well i dun hav dat number.

[Twisted]

which globe album is dat?

That was the Level 4 (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=AVCG-70014) album. It features a horrible cover of "Say Anything"

[ruth~route]

i saw dat album at hmv. thinking of whether i shld buy.

[Twisted]

Well, the album does feature some songs that can be instantly recognized as typical Yoshiki-arrangements. I personally love "See the Light", which was the single preceding the album. However, it remains a Globe album, which basicly means cheap dance-music and weak vocals.

You might also want to check out V2, which was a collaboration between Yoshiki and Globe frontman Tetsuya Komuro. They released an album in the early 1990's, which actually sounded like X-Japan with synths.

[december]

Hmm... according to my Japanese penpal, Yoshiki is still in globe but he's been spending a lot of time in America...

Good question though. I do wonder what he's been doing lately.

[ruth~route]

so he's busy with The TRAX ne. dat korean band. they sounds quite nice, but i still prefer songs in jap.

[Keiichi]

If you can, check out the GLOBE piano collection, with a whole bunch of piano versions by Kumuro Tetsuya. I love listening to it. Yoshiki has great piano skills too. I wish I could hear some of it.

Keiichi

:blush:

[ruth~route]

If you can, check out the GLOBE piano collection, with a whole bunch of piano versions by Kumuro Tetsuya. I love listening to it. Yoshiki has great piano skills too. I wish I could hear some of it.

Keiichi

:blush:


other den Kumuro Tetsuya's, does it contains Yoshiki's works?

[Keiichi]

other den Kumuro Tetsuya's, does it contains Yoshiki's works?
Apparently it doesn't. :souka:

Keiichi

:blush:

[ruth~route]

ooh. den i'll rather buy level 4 album ne.

[Itazura_na_kiss]

Producing I guess. All that bands of Extasy Records... have read somewhere there's a new band now they've signed?! I am not sure, could have been an old message. It's just sad that the DVD "Symphonic Concert 2002" and Eternal Melody II aren't going to be published.
:(

Anyway I don't believe he's doing nothing at all. He's kinda workaholic - at least that's the impression I got. Seen the TV report about him 2002/2003 in L.A.?!
He said he's hardly at home, he's mostly in the studio. So he might be producing and managing someone else... :okashii:

[ruth~route]

i think he is busy with The TRAX now. or maybe he's handling some other works too?? but i hope dat he'll produce his own work again ne.

[Anchyyy]

Umm i found out he actually has a myspace :relief:

http://www.myspace.com/violetuk
http://www.myspace.com/yoshiki

He gets like thousands of comments everyday :souka:

[ruth~route]

Umm i found out he actually has a myspace :relief:

http://www.myspace.com/violetuk
http://www.myspace.com/yoshiki

He gets like thousands of comments everyday :souka:

:D thx fer e addresses!!

[Anchyyy]

No problem at all! :p

[phoenix_sario]

I'd want to download some archive by Yoshiki after Xjapan ex : violet UK or Seize the light ...but I cant find anywhere. Can anybody help me?

[Riyko]

Umm i found out he actually has a myspace :relief:

http://www.myspace.com/violetuk
http://www.myspace.com/yoshiki

He gets like thousands of comments everyday :souka:
Yoshiki actually runs both of those myspace accounts. So he does visit them and it's a way for him to keep in contact with his fans. After hide's death he hasn't been the same :(

Yoshiki lives and spends if not all then most of his time at his home in L.A. where he does most if not all of his musical recordings.

[darkshadow]

so...I've read on the web than Yoshiki have a project with Gackt...They want to form a band....Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!The 2 men of my life togetheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!!That's a dream!!!!!

[Akato]

It's so cool. They are my favourite musicians :cool:
Why did it took them so long to do it(does that sentence make sense:blush: )???

Yoshiki is such a chatterbox :-) It was supposed to be a secret. Hopefully Gackt isn't angry and cancels the plans :souka:

[Anchyyy]

Gackt and Yoshiki making a project? :souka: That would be like a dream come true :blush:

[JoRuDeNnA]

Well that would be r4eally nice, Yoshiki san and Gackt san working together!!! :cool:

I read on Yoshiki's blog on myspace that he's working on this song called Blue Butterfly, and that it will be the soundtrack of a hollywood movie!!

"The song is called Blue Butterfly. It's about human's basic nature."

That's what he wrote on his entry :-)

[Lady Blue]

Yes, i read that too. But dont be so surprised about Gackt and Yoshiki working together. hadn't they done it before? With.. leeca or I don't remember what song from gackt?


By the way, be ready to receive Violet UK. He plans to release it this year... Hope he can make it withou dieing...:relief:

[Anchyyy]

It was Leeca yes :-) Beautiful song!
Voilet UK! This year? :shock: Hope that he won't change his mind about releasing it... again :okashii: :D

[Lady Blue]

Let's hope not! But be patient... it has only taken him 10 years to decide the release date... :D
I heard a couple of demos and they sound great. Definetly it will worth the waiting and the darkness he kept us into for such long time. NIcole's voice is really good too. I'm looking forward for VUK. :bravo: I think he'll prove his dissappearance has not been in vain. :cute:

[Anchyyy]

Only 10 years :D And yeah i've heard the demos too! They are awesome! Can't wait to hear the full album! The long waiting is going to be repayed with some beautiful music :p

[wandering.legy]

Umm....does anyone here still have Yoshiki/his label's phone number? If so, can i have it? ^^

[Kagura]

why is this thread dead? Yoshiki should be shown more love!!

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ I know! Yoshiki deserves mass love. He is the godfather of Jrock after all.

[Kagura]

Yepyep ^^, he's a rock GOD, if even Paris Hilton knows him, he's gotta be damn good at what he does

[Broken Rose Ren]

Wait, Paris Hilton knows him? Eww...

[SaKeVi]

^ I know! Yoshiki deserves mass love. He is the godfather of Jrock after all.

Hmmm... He IS the father of marketing in Japan, if he weren't such a comercial guy, he would be right now asking for money in Japan streets.

I used to admire him, but then I had my 10th birthday and noticed he sucks so terrible. His music is very simple, mellow and repetitive, but hey, he knows how to sell it to mass media, after all he is "kawaii" ne???

For a world without overrated artist!!!

[Kagura]

Broken Rose Ren: I know, I was suprised to find that out, I found this video on youtube where they show clips of him in Bullrun from 2004, and they show this clip of him hugging PH, I nearly died 'cuz for once I was actually jealous of her ><

SaKevi: Why do you hate hide and Yoshiki so much? I know they can't please EVERYONE but there's gotta be at least one song you like by him, right?

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ I must say, I'm jealous of her as well. Damn, I want to hug Yoshiki.

@SaKeVi: I see your point. I like Yoshiki because without him, without X Japan, I don't think jrock would have been so developed like it is today. Not to mention, X basically revolutionized the whole visual stylings.

I feel the same about hide, not to mention he was a kick *** guitarist and he was as cute as high heaven.

[Riyko]

Hmmm... He IS the father of marketing in Japan, if he weren't such a comercial guy, he would be right now asking for money in Japan streets.
I used to admire him, but then I had my 10th birthday and noticed he sucks so terrible. His music is very simple, mellow and repetitive, but hey, he knows how to sell it to mass media, after all he is "kawaii" ne???
For a world without overrated artist!!!

So I see you've decided to come back and cause problems by getting people to want to argue with you *sighs* people never learn.

Guys if you reply to him it'll just be fueling him to post more stuff and he'll try to piss you off, just to let you guys know that.

To sakevi for your information yoshiki doesn't live in japan anymore he lives in the United States and is fairing very well money wise, he still manages a band and writes music, so before you speak please at least have a clue about what your talking about

[Kagura]

thank you ^^

[Riyko]

Your welcome ^_^

[SaKeVi]

Let's go by parts, as a butcher said:

SaKevi: Why do you hate hide and Yoshiki so much? I know they can't please EVERYONE but there's gotta be at least one song you like by him, right?

Hmmm you made me think (*background claps*)

I'm not a hater, I just said what I think about him as a musician: he is just not as good as all of you think, or probably I'm just better than him playing drums and piano, I don't know.

Of course I like X and hide songs, my favorite band from Japan is X, I enjoy listening songs as Art of life, Lady in tears, the last song and Good bye... but just because I like X a lot it doesn't mean I won't criticize them, and there are lots of things to criticize about them.


@SaKeVi: I see your point. I like Yoshiki because without him, without X Japan, I don't think jrock would have been so developed like it is today. Not to mention, X basically revolutionized the whole visual stylings.

Yes... and no ^^

Yoshiki made a huuuuuge contribution to put rock into the mass media, thanks to him rock bands kicked out pop singers from the music monopoly in Japan in 80's... he was in the right place at the right moment to burst rock to a higher level.

Curiously, the band that made a revolution on Visual scene was Saver Tiger, they made Visual perfect, we can say that they made a "before & after" into Visual scene, thanks to hide.

X just put in into mainstream... thanks to who?? of course, Mr. Marketing: Yoshiki Hayashi.

So I see you've decided to come back and cause problems by getting people to want to argue with you *sighs* people never learn.

Problems?? what kind of problems??

Are you upset just because I don't have the same point of view as all of you?? Are you upset because I'm not stick with all of the japanese music fans opinion?? are yuo upset because I don't behave like a fanboy/fangirl??

Guys if you reply to him it'll just be fueling him to post more stuff and he'll try to piss you off, just to let you guys know that.

If you reply me, we can learn from each other, that's the MAIN PURPOSE OF A DISCUSSION FORUM if you want everybody to think just as you do, there are thousands of fanpages where you can discuss how kawaii a singer is.

To sakevi for your information yoshiki doesn't live in japan anymore he lives in the United States and is fairing very well money wise, he still manages a band and writes music, so before you speak please at least have a clue about what your talking about

And he is still living with all the money he made with X, it doesn't matter where he lives now, he is making money thanks to "Yoshiki co."

I'll quote myself again:

Hmmm... He IS the father of marketing in Japan, if he weren't such a comercial guy, he would be right now asking for money in Japan streets.

Isn't he the one who sold X condoms?? X wine?? millions of singles?? dolls?? cards?? pics?? posters?? CD's?? clothes?? U.F.O. catchers?? drumsticks?? bleh bleh bleh... not even a DAMN YOSHIKI BARBIE to make money money money?? Isn't he the one who made rock/metal a marketing business in Japan?? Isn't he the one who sold his band image as a "Visual Shock"???

Don't you think all this (and even more) makes him the father of marketing in Japan?? After Yoshiki and his business spirit appeared, japanese music flied to the sky.

If he weren't capable of selling his product (X) do you think he would be famous now??

What the hell does it matter if he lives in L.A. right now?? He is still the guy who transformed the music into marketing in Japan, isn't he?? Maybe you should understand things better before posting girl :-)

And go and make yourself a tea for the nerves, I'll be here posting my opinions, I respect this forum rules, I give my opinion, you should be more tolerant :blush:

[Kagura]

....wow, and here I was thinking you were one of those people that just says stuff to be stupid ><. Although I do believe alot of the things you said, I guess I'm still gonna believe in Yoshiki and hide like I used to 'cuz I'm used to it.

[Broken Rose Ren]

Wow...I get what your saying. But, then can't the same be said about all anime creators, manga - ka, jpop/rock artist?

I'm sure, Yoshiki has advisors, do you think that maybe those ideas weren't necessarly his? You don't know right? Well, neither do we. We can only judge Yoshiki from what we know about and that's his music.

What I said goes for hide as well. In the music industry, when you branch out more into the world as an artist, people begin to have visions for you (I mean he was working with musicians from all over the world). Maybe hide's work wasn't the same as it was when he started out, but the fact is he made music that made people happy and damn good songs at that. Damn his "people". That is what, we can judge hide from.

[Kagura]

I totally agree, he had to have done something right 'cuz in my opinion, Japanese rock has never really gotten the attention it deserves. So that fact that hide has worked with a lot of people from around the world is a great accomplishment, at least I think so

[SaKeVi]

....wow, and here I was thinking you were one of those people that just says stuff to be stupid ><. Although I do believe alot of the things you said, I guess I'm still gonna believe in Yoshiki and hide like I used to 'cuz I'm used to it.

That's cool, I'm not trying to make you change your mind, I'm just trying to give my point of view :cool:

I'm always attacked because I have this opinions even when I'm a huge japanese music fan, probably everybody expect me to think as all they do, but I often disagree with fans all over the world :okashii:

Wow...I get what your saying. But, then can't the same be said about all anime creators, manga - ka, jpop/rock artist?

Of course, it depends of the person =P

I'm sure, Yoshiki has advisors, do you think that maybe those ideas weren't necessarly his? You don't know right? Well, neither do we. We can only judge Yoshiki from what we know about and that's his music.

Since he was at indies, he always had those ideas in his mind, that's why I see him more like a business executive than a musician... and as in all business, he has advisors, but in the end, he had the last word to make things happen.

Also, I'm not ashamed to say that I began playing drums thanks to him, when my brother showed me X shows when I was a little kid, I was always impressed to see him... but as i said, the dream was over when I learned to play drums and realized that all he had was energy.

What I said goes for hide as well. In the music industry, when you branch out more into the world as an artist, people begin to have visions for you (I mean he was working with musicians from all over the world). Maybe hide's work wasn't the same as it was when he started out, but the fact is he made music that made people happy and damn good songs at that. Damn his "people". That is what, we can judge hide from.

In the end, his legacy was big, that's something I don't deny... But I'm stick with my position: I knew him when he began, when his career went up, and then when he died, and I will always prefer his origins in Saver Tiger and his beginning with X.

[Broken Rose Ren]

Ok, I'm done. I just really wanted you to justify your answers. As long as you know hide and Yoshiki are legends.

[SaKeVi]

Ok, I'm done. I just really wanted you to justify your answers. As long as you know hide and Yoshiki are legends.

Yeah, they are legends.

Thanks for not judging me or don't let me express myself :cool:

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ No problem.

[Kagura]

yeah, you actually made alot of sense, like I said, there seems to ALOT of people out there that diss bands for a BS reason, but at least you supported yourself. Not even that but when peopled attack, the anti-fangirl/boy people just *poof*! 'cuz they know they did a stupid thing. All in all I'm sorry for being a fangirl ^^, sometimes I can't help it....

[Riyko]

SaKeVi
The reasons why I said that stuff is because of the crap you started in the Diru thread a while ago to piss of the people posting in there. I don't know what yoshiki did over in japan besides X-japan because I never really paid any attention. Also with Yoshiki living in LA goes against what you said about him living on the streets in japan asking for money if it wasn't for his marketing, it's hard for someone to live on the streets asking for money in a country they don't even live in. Also I am tolerant and I don't think Yoshiki is cute or hot because he's not in my own opinion. I accept others opinions as well, it's just some I accept more then others because I have more respect for them.

I'm not going to quote any of it right now because i'm having internet problems and don't need to wait forever to navagate away from the page and my post so if you don't believe me go back and read the last page of this topic and you'll know what i'm talking about.

[SaKeVi]

SaKeVi
The reasons why I said that stuff is because of the crap you started in the Diru thread a while ago to piss of the people posting in there. I don't know what yoshiki did over in japan besides X-japan because I never really paid any attention. Also with Yoshiki living in LA goes against what you said about him living on the streets in japan asking for money if it wasn't for his marketing, it's hard for someone to live on the streets asking for money in a country they don't even live in. Also I am tolerant and I don't think Yoshiki is cute or hot because he's not in my own opinion. I accept others opinions as well, it's just some I accept more then others because I have more respect for them.

It looks like you still don't understand what I tried to say...

Thanks for his businessman spirit, he is now living in L.A., and I'm 120% sure that if he weren't been able to sell his product called X, he would be asking for money right now in Japan streets... why?? because he and his whole family spent all their money and sold their family business to create Extasy records in the 80's.

He knew how to consolidate his project, it wasn't just a music band, he managed "X" as a product, and that made him a business person, if you don't believe me, X had also a videogame for Sega, and even a F3 racing team (X Japan Racing team) just to give you some other examples of X marketing business.

That's why I say it again: if he weren't such a comercial guy, he would be asking for money in Japan streets right now... or probably he would have commited suicide.

By the way, the DeG fight... :cool:

I'm not going to quote any of it right now because i'm having internet problems and don't need to wait forever to navagate away from the page and my post so if you don't believe me go back and read the last page of this topic and you'll know what i'm talking about.

That's ok for me, I understand your position, I hope your internet problems to get solved soon.

I'm sorry if I make you (all) feel unconfortable or piss you off, I should change my behave and the way I express myself and my ideas, somehow that's my way of being. I'll try to control myself when posting here. :relief:

[Kagura]

don't go so far as to say he would commit suicide.....thats just wrong. He is a business man but he's also a musician right? He should get credit for that too

[Broken Rose Ren]

Let's leave suicide out of this converstation, it hits a little close to home, when talking about X.

[Kagura]

yeah, just because someone in his life has done that doesn't mean he will, I don't think he would ever do that

[jounetsu]

the conversations on x related topics are
scaring me

:relief:

[Anchyyy]

I'm always attacked because I have this opinions even when I'm a huge japanese music fan, probably everybody expect me to think as all they do, but I often disagree with fans all over the world :okashii:
.
That probably because you know a lot the things that happened behind the stage or in their personal lives, stuff that isn't online (or anywhere else). We are just fans who think Jrockers are perfect, we idolize them and blablabla... But that about Yoshiki made me think.

@ Jounetsu: Same here :relief: But i agree about that suicide thing. Probably he would be the next after hide if he wouldn't be so strong and comercial guy as sakevi said. And than soon, fans all over the world would commit suicide... but yeah that's another story, we'll never found out how would it be if that happened. And i'm glad it's like that :-)

[Kagura]

thats true

[jounetsu]

*lifts yoshiki up*

wooah he was heavy xD

this thread needs to be awaken from the dead.

so what's up with yoshiki releasing new stuff?

[Anchyyy]

I hope that he will release VUK soon. I'm sick of waiting :okashii:

[darknoonthirty]

ok, just because i just realized what was going on in this thread i have to say...something.

i cant help but giggle at all of this. so yoshiki was good at selling...whocares? i think thats kinda funny. mainly because the things people come out with..and then other people buy..is simply hysterical.

don't get me wrong though. i love yoshiki more than is allowed and will always admire him...but like...so what?

and leave the sakevi alone. he knows more about X than any of us will ever know...ever. and plus..everybody is allowed to have an opinion. lets all just get along.
or at least respect

[snort] saveki..fanboy? lmao thats wrong. really funny..but wrong.

honestly..i dont care if the yoshiki was good at selling and thats the only reason hes roling in it...honestly..thats relly funny. i'll try to explain..but im not sure if it will work

ok. all the stuff they sold...think of it...i mean come on..an X condom? i know its true..but thats simply funny. and i can't bring myself to hold hostility to a guy who just wanted to make money. thats one thing that drives me nuts. even when i used to be all about the scene and not selling out..when people would get all worked up over a band just wanting to make money...i didnt get it. because music is an industry. its first job is to make money. and if some people know how to market that..more props to them. and if others dont..props to them too.
music is a hard sell...becuse of the dual quality...the emotional aspect, the sever link we all think we have with a person just because of their music and then to have to mix that into the busniess aspect of it..its not easy.
plus being a musician is NOT cheap.
but i digress. so what if yoshiki sold stupid stuff like that...people bought them. which is were the money comes from. first rule about busniness...you dont have customers..you die.

but this is long. my point- so what is yoshiki marketed the crap out of X? their music is still awesome. and hes still pretty. he was just really good at selling stuff. that just gives him more points.
and it doesnt matter how good he was. it matters that everybody in the band was so well matched skill wise...no one person was better than the others. which is another reason, i think, x rules.

ENOUGH RAMBELLING!

as for new stuff-- honestly i just want something new. but, alas, im a good fangirl and more than used to waiting long pds of time for stuff.

ok. i shut up now.

[Broken Rose Ren]

ok, just because i just realized what was going on in this thread i have to say...something.

i cant help but giggle at all of this. so yoshiki was good at selling...whocares? i think thats kinda funny. mainly because the things people come out with..and then other people buy..is simply hysterical.

don't get me wrong though. i love yoshiki more than is allowed and will always admire him...but like...so what?

and leave the sakevi alone. he knows more about X than any of us will ever know...ever. and plus..everybody is allowed to have an opinion. lets all just get along.
or at least respect

[snort] saveki..fanboy? lmao thats wrong. really funny..but wrong.

honestly..i dont care if the yoshiki was good at selling and thats the only reason hes roling in it...honestly..thats relly funny. i'll try to explain..but im not sure if it will work

ok. all the stuff they sold...think of it...i mean come on..an X condom? i know its true..but thats simply funny. and i can't bring myself to hold hostility to a guy who just wanted to make money. thats one thing that drives me nuts. even when i used to be all about the scene and not selling out..when people would get all worked up over a band just wanting to make money...i didnt get it. because music is an industry. its first job is to make money. and if some people know how to market that..more props to them. and if others dont..props to them too.
music is a hard sell...becuse of the dual quality...the emotional aspect, the sever link we all think we have with a person just because of their music and then to have to mix that into the busniess aspect of it..its not easy.
plus being a musician is NOT cheap.
but i digress. so what if yoshiki sold stupid stuff like that...people bought them. which is were the money comes from. first rule about busniness...you dont have customers..you die.

but this is long. my point- so what is yoshiki marketed the crap out of X? their music is still awesome. and hes still pretty. he was just really good at selling stuff. that just gives him more points.
and it doesnt matter how good he was. it matters that everybody in the band was so well matched skill wise...no one person was better than the others. which is another reason, i think, x rules.

ENOUGH RAMBELLING!

as for new stuff-- honestly i just want something new. but, alas, im a good fangirl and more than used to waiting long pds of time for stuff.

ok. i shut up now.
Quoted for truth. Srsly, I have nothing to say. I agree with all of it.

[jounetsu]

that's so true.

the thing that really matters is that X made awesome music.
music that lives for f@cking ever - amen.

[darknoonthirty]

:) i was so scared i was gunna be beaten with sticks at that posts.

i mean come ON...if somebody put on an x condom..to use..theyd have to get me to stop laughing my butt off before uhm..well..you kow how that works...jus think of it..it would be HYSTERICAL

[hugs crazy yoshiki] lmao kid..you make me giggle. [pets like puppy] silly man

[Broken Rose Ren]

Can you imagine the commercial/ad for an X condom?

"Rock in bed, like X rocks on stage" or "For the Yoshiki in you" or "Do to your woman, what X does to all the ladies"

[Rancid__]

Can you imagine the commercial/ad for an X condom?

"Rock in bed, like X rocks on stage" or "For the Yoshiki in you" or "Do to your woman, what X does to all the ladies"

Ahahahaha!!! You rock hahaha!!!! This made my day hahaha:lol: :lol: :giggle: :lol:

[darknoonthirty]

l.m.a.o

faaarrr too funny. id buy one just too look at it and go...why...then laugh

because i mean come on...thats effing funny

[Broken Rose Ren]

Har ha ha. I'd buy one and not even use it. Just put it away somewhere and look at it everytime I need a good laugh.

[jounetsu]

Can you imagine the commercial/ad for an X condom?

"Rock in bed, like X rocks on stage" or "For the Yoshiki in you" or "Do to your woman, what X does to all the ladies"
YOU OFFICIALLY KILLED ME :D :D :D :D

[darknoonthirty]

well duh. you cant USE an X condom. that would be So wrong

its like using the cup'o'Christ ...ever
it just doenst happen.

what you do is put it on a display case and charge people 8 bucks to walk in a see it and awe in its wonder.

i need to stop eating sugar and being serously tired when i post. it just leads to insanity.

[You_Too]

Can you imagine the commercial/ad for an X condom?

"Rock in bed, like X rocks on stage" or "For the Yoshiki in you" or "Do to your woman, what X does to all the ladies"
That was a good one! :D :cool:

[Kagura]

OMG,soooooooooooooo funny! Imagine if each flavor was named after a member, or had a picture of each member on it........... XD

[darknoonthirty]

OMG,soooooooooooooo funny! Imagine if each flavor was named after a member, or had a picture of each member on it........... XD

wtf LMAO
this convo has gotten serisouly dirty
jrock fans are soo dirty

i blame the fanservice
they bring it upon themselves

that.is.hysterical.
and made my day.

[Kagura]

fanservice has turned me into a fangirl, SERIOUS fangirl XD. Honestly it makes me giddy with excitement

[jounetsu]

would there be anything worth living for
if there wasn't any jrock or fanservice?

let me think.



NO. :D

[You_Too]

OMG,soooooooooooooo funny! Imagine if each flavor was named after a member, or had a picture of each member on it........... XD
Yeah, Yoshiki's one would have rose-flavor,
Pata's one would have Jack Daniels-flavor,
and hide's, lemon icecream flavor! :D

[jounetsu]

Yeah, Yoshiki's one would have rose-flavor,
Pata's one would have Jack Daniels-flavor,
and hide's, lemon icecream flavor! :D
you just read my mind dude! i was just thinking about yoshiki
rose-flavor condom!
:D

i gotta call somewhere and ask them to make these condoms lol!

i figured it would take an eternity for someone to
make the condom and everyone would die waiting
so i decided to show you a little hint of what's it
going to be like.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/_jounetsu/graphics/RoseOfPain.jpg

i seriously hope that yoshiki will NEVER visit this
thread LOL.

[Anchyyy]

OMFG!! :D I can't stop laughing :lol:

[darknoonthirty]

lmao wow.

i make one comment...and wow lmao

too frikking funny

for hte yoshiki in you
[dead] lmao

i hopw so too. hed prolly come and hit us.

lol wow.

[Broken Rose Ren]

I was at school when I saw that. Totally made my day.

"For the Yoshiki in You"
I'm happy that slogan stuck. haha. You must make more Jounetsu.

[Kagura]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!
*seizures* FUNNY!!! I CAN'T BREATHE!!!!

[jounetsu]

i was just thinking about making
hide one too lol! if you liked that
i seriously gotta make some more :D

@ Broken Rose Ren: yes i just had to use that
slogan, i hope you don't mind *puppyeyes* it
was the perfect one!


@ Kagura: OH FU-! DON'T DIE :D:D it wasn't
that bad, or was it? lol

@ darknoonthirty: let's hope so. imagine yoshiki
on a boring sunday evening. he decides to google
some websites about him to see what the fans
are currently thinking about him. and he founds
this topic LOL! his face whould be like:
:o -> :shock: :eek: :mad: :bawling:

xDD

[Kinsao]

LMFAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am so glad I visited this thread today.
I must have had a 6th sense.
I badly needed cheering up.
And now I am! :giggle:

[jounetsu]

LMFAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am so glad I visited this thread today.
I must have had a 6th sense.
I badly needed cheering up.
And now I am! :giggle:
You gotta visit laters too since I'm
gonna make something for hide and
pata also!
:lol: 6th sense for life :D
____________________________________


since you all obviously wanted some more i made these HAHA.



*imagine LEMOned I Scream playing on the background*

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/_jounetsu/graphics/LEMOnedIscreambaby.jpg

i'm gonna die :D:D:D:D:D:D


*now, imagine Sadistic Desire*

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/_jounetsu/graphics/SD.jpg



PLEASE FORGIVE ME HIDE AND PATA :D:D:D:D

[darknoonthirty]

oh my GOD
in the words of johny mayer
i'm never speaking up again!

LMAAOOOOOO

the lemoned i scream bit on the ad kills me.
it gets a double meaning when you put it like that

oh GOD

PAAATTAAAAAA -_-
i love the little anamiated condom. LMAO

[jounetsu]

oh my GOD
in the words of johny mayer
i'm never speaking up again!
LMAAOOOOOO
the lemoned i scream bit on the ad kills me.
it gets a double meaning when you put it like that
oh GOD
PAAATTAAAAAA -_-
i love the little anamiated condom. LMAO

I'm glad to make someone happy/laugh haha!

maybe I should send these somewhere? xDD

[Broken Rose Ren]

ROLF! OMG! I've never laughed so hard~ hide and Pata. *Hugs jounetsu* You rock out loud. All that's left is Toshi and Heath. THOSE will officially kill me.

[Anchyyy]

Omg!! Those pictures are like perfect! :D *saves them* :lol:

[jounetsu]

@ Broken Rose Ren: aha but you gotta help me out! you all gotta.
make up some slogans or flavours and I'll make them azap lol.

@ Anchyyy: haha :D new wallpapers to ya! :lol:

[darknoonthirty]

Reach heights only Toshi can

and thats all i have to say about that.

[Kinsao]

lmao
:lol:
thank you!
you rule!
*can't stop laughing*

[You_Too]

@ jonuetsu:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
HAHAHAH! LOL!
Those images were so funny!
I nearly laughed my *** off!
And thanks for using my ideas! ^^
Just wait, and I'll come up with Toshi, Taiji and Heath too...:cool:

EDIT: I just came up with two really stupid ones, but I'm tired now:sleep:
Toshi: Rusty nail-flavor
Taiji: "I've gotta slap-bass you, till you're down on your knees!"

I'll try again tomorrow! :mad:

[jounetsu]

@ darknoonthirty: wow :souka: that's it, that's the slogan baby!

@ Broken Rose Ren: *hugs back!* i forgot last time :relief: lol.

@ Kinsao: at least yoshiki thread is no longer boring, eh? :D

@ You_Too: i just HAD to use your ideas since i could almost
see those adds in my mind haha! Toshi's rusty nail xD bahaha!
mmm-mm what a flavour indeed lol. "down on your knees biatch!"

:D:D i'm tired too you know.

i wanna hear some more if possible ^^

[Kagura]

Those rocked!!!!! PLEASE make more!!!!!

[jounetsu]

lol i'm just planning on making some new.

it's gonna take a while so just keep on waiting ;)

[Kinsao]

lol the Yoshiki thread was never boring :) just I dunno much about him so I don't visit here so often :blush:

[[red]-Protoplasm]

well there have bin lost of roumors about yoshiki

i had once red that yoshiki wanted to start a band with Gackt ...??? donno if he is ever gonna do that O.o...

[darknoonthirty]

lmao.
im glad you like the toshi slogan.
it just came to me in a fit of inspiration.

[shakes head] rusty-nail. thats 7 kinds of wrong.

but soo funny

how the heck did we get from me defending the fact that yoshiki is a silly man who sells silly things..to..this?

lmao. i laugh at you people and your crazie
because it makes me happy.

[darknoonthirty]

lol.

Yoshiki SAID he was starting stuff with Gackt. at Ota-Kon here in the states. theres a video about it onn youtube. and its hysterical. silly boy.

then theres Voilet UK..thats uhm..yeah.

and now this. but ive heard this before..who knows what yoshiki is gunna do..

but lets all hope and pray that in the near future it involoves gackt. because that would be far too aweosme.

i'll post the link later if i find it...cuz right now im 12 kinds of tired.

[Kagura]

I hope Yoshiki and Gackt work together, but he isn't done with VUK, so maybe itwon't be for a while

[jounetsu]

@ darknoonthirty: yes i was wondering how on earth did
we end up to a situation like this lmao. seriously just sick.
haha crazie is ma second name. oh i mean third since
random is my second name

:D:D

and i think it's gonna take a while before mr.gackt and
mr. yoshiki get anything started since i think they BOTH
have unfinished projects. it kills me to wait for stuff like
this! and i don't think they're going to tour europe too
much so i have like zero chance of seeing them. at least
some of you can see them and tell me how it was ^__^

[darknoonthirty]

i know its gunna be a long time.
yoshiki with his VUK thing
and Gackt with his Moon project..thinger
that has been going on since the beginning of time

and i think your a bit off on the touring bit
Yoshiki's studio is in California. why would they pay for studio time if they could just use yoshiki? and becuse of that they would prolly do a more world wide tour...to give everybody else teh love that is gakt + yoshiki.

but thats just what i think. becase i do.

but then you have to add in the fact that arent getting younger. which makes me 70 kinds of sad. yoshiki is in his 40's and gackts like 465 or something [i cant help it, thats just far to hysterical]
point being..by teh time they get together touring will take a lot out of them. but..BUT..they are japenese and are gackt and yoshiki...i dont think it would be THAT much of a problem

[Kagura]

i HOPE it isn't a problem, they are both very talented and smart men, I don't think they would let anything like that happen. And besides, they seem pretty healthy right? I think they are gonna outlive us XD. Well at least Gackt has outlived ALOT of our ancestors XD. Yes, that it TOOO funny!

[darknoonthirty]

honestly. i think they will be touring till they die.
and thats a good hing for us

and gackt the 400-some year old vampire is too funny.
[pets silly gackt]

[SaKeVi]

but lets all hope and pray that in the near future it involoves gackt. because that would be far too aweosme.


That would be far too fangirly stuff...

I don't have good expectations to that project (if it's done) it looks like it will be a poppy-mellow-girly-softy-rockwannabe-metrosexual-marketing-IsellThisBecauseI'mFamous stuff, but anyways, it is just to make mo'money, and not to create good music... shame on Yoshiki :okashii:

Damn, looking at this, I guess where Yoshiki will end... on American Idol as a guest?? producing next Paris Hilton CD?? singing the U.S. anthem on a Clippers-Warriors basketball game??

=/

[Kagura]

hmmm, that CAN be true I guess.....seeing as how Gackt has gone to being a poptart, not that I don't like him....I just like other bands more than him now. I will always respect him and Yoshiki 'cuz they were the first jrockers I ever listened to, but I like their old works the best

[jounetsu]

i have this hysterical vision of yoshiki with a white beard
and a wheel chair and he enters the stage like:

"HEELLOOOO EVERYO- *cough cough cough*"

xDD

i hope it won't take THAT LONG LOLLL.

[darknoonthirty]

lmao you make me giggle jounetsu.

and i was just being a little fangirl and saying that gackt and yoshiki would be awesome. but only because i think they would be well matched. thats all i'm sayin

and i dont care if all he wants to do is make money..i really dont. because the way hes doing it gives me music.

[Anchyyy]

Damn, looking at this, I guess where Yoshiki will end... on American Idol as a guest?? producing next Paris Hilton CD?? singing the U.S. anthem on a Clippers-Warriors basketball game??
=/

Hope he won't :okashii: He makes new projects really only for money and i don't like that. I mean all musicians make they're music for money, but i thought Yoshiki was one of those who makes the music to help people with it, to express himself in the way he likes. I really thought that fame and money were the side things for him, but more and more i'm watching old videos from X Japan, i realized it's not that way. X Japan was all about Yoshiki, his fame and money. He is beautiful and talented, but his personality sucks. And as SakeVi said, shame on you Yoshiki.

[Kagura]

yeah....that is true, giving people false hope in a way, ne?

[jounetsu]

does anyone here give a sh#t how much
money yoshiki or gackt makes?

i didn't think so either.

[darknoonthirty]

does anyone here give a sh#t how much
money yoshiki or gackt makes?
i didn't think so either.

[hugs you] i.love.you.

gah..THANK YOU

[jounetsu]

[hugs you] i.love.you.
gah..THANK YOU

-hugs back- love you too!

seriously! C'MOOON. who gives a damn!

it's the M-U-S-I-C. you know, the thing you listen to?

[Anchyyy]

Yeah i know. It's all about music. And i never said i don't like the music he makes. His music is awesome, but when it comes to him... he sux. But well that's my opinion :p

[SaKeVi]

does anyone here give a sh#t how much
money yoshiki or gackt makes?
i didn't think so either.

You're right, I don't give a f*ck if he's rich or not right now... but as I have been following his career since he was just an st00pid bugger kid/girl wannabe, it's very dissapointing how his "music career" and his spirit has changed.

Where is the guy who wanted to explode people's head on concerts?? where is the guy who took care about giving people good music?? who makes people get identified with his lyrics?? who wanted to give a chance to many bands that had his own spirit years ago??

It looks like someday in 1993, he went to the bathroom, pooed on it, and after that, suddenly, he put his music feelings there too and just flushed...

Now?? he should be performing in soap operas, after all, he had just become a "pretty artist"; because as a musician, I don't give a penny for a work he would make now...

Shame on Yoshiki?? or shame on conformist fangirls who just want to see Yoshiki and Gackt to wet their panties??

Bleh...

[You_Too]

It looks like someday in 1993, he went to the bathroom, pooed on it, and after that, suddenly, he put his music feelings there too and just flushed...
You're right...
I don't say that X-japan was bad after 1993, but Dahlia still isn't half as
good as Vanishing vision or Blue blood.

If I watch for example the concert from Kyoto sports valley 1988, and
compare it to the last live, X-japan looks and sounds more like a
boy-band at the later one.
If Yoshiki would start to write music like he did in the old days, that would
definitely be cool!

And Sakevi: It sounds like you know Yoshiki in person.
If you do, I think you should try to talk to him about this! ;)
And I've gotta ask you: You've seen X live right?

[jounetsu]

@ SaKeVi: I can see your point! Deffinately. Yoshiki has changed from
the early times of X. And I believe their live acts had lots of more power
and spirit in them back in the days but that's all I can do - believe since
I've seen only videos.

And it does feel like Yoshiki has lost himself along the way. But I can't know
that cause I don't know him...

Naw you see not all jrock fans are fangirls or boys.

I appreciate your points of view anyways :-)

[Setsuna69]

X Japan about Yoshiki's fame and fortune? X Japan was Yoshiki's life- and not because it earned him a nice fat paycheck. :okashii:
And please explain how Yoshiki is going to produce poppy-mellow-girly-softy-rockwannabe-metrosexual-marketing-IsellThisBecauseI'mFamous stuff. Because I personally don't understand that. I think that Gackt and Yoshiki are going to produce amazing music together because they are two of the most amazing artists that I've ever seen. Now whether they are going to get along or not is another question. They both have such demanding personalities... I don't want to be in the room if they ever disagree on something.... O_O
And yes, Yoshiki does market a lot of ...stuff. o.o But why is that bad? He's not denouncing the music, he's just selling an odd variety of products that are connected to the band. People buy it, so Yoshiki sells it. That doesn't do any harm, does it?
I don't mean to rant or anything, so don't hurt me. :p I just think Yoshiki deserves a little more credit for being the brilliant person that he is.:souka:

[Anchyyy]

X Japan about Yoshiki's fame and fortune? X Japan was Yoshiki's life- and not because it earned him a nice fat paycheck. :okashii:
We could talk about that for days. Everyone has their own opinion about that. Yoshiki... the perfectionist. Everything has to be perfect in his life, because if it's not, he won't be satisfied. That damn perfection broke Toshi and that's why he left X Japan. If X would be his life, he would try to find a compromise with Toshi and he wouldn't just run around and tell him (and everyone) what to do.
I think that Gackt and Yoshiki are going to produce amazing music together because they are two of the most amazing artists that I've ever seen.
Yes. That's true. They are both absolutley amazing. But there's another reason why they will make a project together. Both are the most-wanted men in the whole Japan. All fangirls will go crazy if they see them together on the stage or something.
And yes, Yoshiki does market a lot of ...stuff. o.o But why is that bad? He's not denouncing the music, he's just selling an odd variety of products that are connected to the band. People buy it, so Yoshiki sells it. That doesn't do any harm, does it?
It doesn't. But it's stupid. Someone already said that but i can't remember who. On one side, Yoshiki says that X Japan is his pretty sad and painful past, but on the other side, he sells all those things just to gain more and more money.
I just think Yoshiki deserves a little more credit for being the brilliant person that he is.:souka:
Agree with that and he has that credit :p He's done a lot of things for the Japanese music scene and i'm aware of that.

[SaKeVi]

And Sakevi: It sounds like you know Yoshiki in person.
If you do, I think you should try to talk to him about this! ;)
And I've gotta ask you: You've seen X live right?

That's something all of you will never know :-)


And it does feel like Yoshiki has lost himself along the way. But I can't know
that cause I don't know him...

He changed a lot, for bad (to me) and I'll explain that, hehehe.

Naw you see not all jrock fans are fangirls or boys.

I appreciate your points of view anyways

Thanks, I appreciate all of your coments too, and again sorry if someone got offended with my last comment.

X Japan about Yoshiki's fame and fortune? X Japan was Yoshiki's life- and not because it earned him a nice fat paycheck.

X Japan is about Yoshiki's ambition, and he got a veeeeery fat paycheck for it (and he still gets more and more paychecks...)

And please explain how Yoshiki is going to produce poppy-mellow-girly-softy-rockwannabe-metrosexual-marketing-IsellThisBecauseI'mFamous stuff. Because I personally don't understand that. I think that Gackt and Yoshiki are going to produce amazing music together because they are two of the most amazing artists that I've ever seen. Now whether they are going to get along or not is another question. They both have such demanding personalities... I don't want to be in the room if they ever disagree on something.... O_O

They will, you'll see that, there are many reasons to say that since they agreed to produce music together. And wait, I'll explain it too as soon as I finish all the quotes.

And yes, Yoshiki does market a lot of ...stuff. o.o But why is that bad? He's not denouncing the music, he's just selling an odd variety of products that are connected to the band. People buy it, so Yoshiki sells it. That doesn't do any harm, does it?

You could find my answer on my post, wait!! =P

I don't mean to rant or anything, so don't hurt me. I just think Yoshiki deserves a little more credit for being the brilliant person that he is.

Hey, you're giving your opinion, and it's valid as every opinion here, don't worry to be hurt :-)

And yeah, he has a lot of credit for what he has done to Japanese music & industry, that's something we can't deny.

@Anchyyy: Thanks a lot girl!!! I like your post :cool:

NOW:

Why I'm criticizing Yoshiki so much?? Why I want to smash his head?? why I'm saying his project with Gackt will be fangirly??

Well, as we all know, Yoshiki became a producer, and there's nothing wrong with it, he can make with his life whatever he wants, but hey, he has dissapointed many people by being hypocritical...

How's that?? What is this SaKeVi saying??

There is a fact that probably you still don't know: in the 80's the poppy/mellow pre-fabricated music artist were dominating Japan, and from Chiba an androgyn person wanted to change that... we all know who he is. So, he and his friends f*cked up the music scene, turning it upside down with an excellent propose, awesome music with a good performance on stage.

He was there to expand music industry in Japan, to remove the monopoly of ****** artist and idols, to bring quality to music and he did: his mission was accomplished. Then, he took part of the mainstream and somehow, he still was keeping that "feeling".

And as I said, suddenly he changed his mind, he became what he hated, what he fought in 80's, what he criticized for many years, he became one of them... why?? that's bullsh*t.

Well, right now he still hasn't produced any stuff with quality, his objective is another: make money with "just enough" efford, as we have seen. His priorities are different, he is not there to produce good music, he has to sell no matter what it takes, even f*cking up the good name and fame his band created years ago (do you remember the st00pid "Trance X" CD?? the ridiculous say anything cover by Globe??)

He knows that his image will sell anything, and that's why he knows that making and producing "so so" music, he will receive his paycheck, and he knows that being related with another "image seller" as Gackt, they will sell instantly whatever they offer, just as the condoms we talked on hide's threat.

Unfortunately he isn't even the half of men/girl he used to be, and because of that many people lost their hope on expecting good music, the good music that he and his band members created with X, just before he took control of everything, even the band member's life (Taiji first and then toshi..)

There are many things to say about this, but I'm tired right now, I'll be back later people!!

[You_Too]

@ Sakevi: You're right, Yoshiki probably won't make as good music as
in the old days anymore...
I really don't know.
Maybe he and Gackt are forming a new metal-band? ;)

And Sakevi: Since you know as much about X as you do, I think you should
make a homepage with a complete biography of the band.
Something nobody has done yet, as far as I know.

[jounetsu]

Woah SaKeVi, your amount of information still knocks me out.

I see now what you mean and I will never want to hear anything
about the Trance X album in my LIFE! lol seriously.. Yoshiki was one
hell of a guy back in the days.. but even I have to admit this out
loud; He's brain has melted. And even the heart?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Wow, I don't even know where to begin on this one. O.O

You know, it's really not Yoshiki's fault that he's popular. If Violet UK was Indies underground everyone'd be going gaga for it. And really, people, "Sex and Religion" is his only full-length song from VUK available to the public and you can't judge the entirety of someone' musical style from one song I don't care what uppity-elitist-music-"critics" say.

And yes, he worked with Globe which puts an icky black mark on his record but he did that as a personal favor to a friend so I will forgive him... eventually.

You can't call someone a wannabe in J-Rock when they fracking invented J-Rock as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, if the boy wants to make Gothic soft rock music that appeals to the masses then that's his choice not ours. And what music is "mainstream poppy crap" and what isn't is so subject to personal opinion and bias that there's really no point in bringing it up or debating it.

I don't think wanting to make something of your life equals being a bad person or publicity wh0re. Yeah, he markets a lot of stuff. What of it? Really, what of it?? Gackt markets cologne, Laruku markets cat food, Mana has a fashion store. Lots of artists market things that don't have anything to do with music. It's not like Yoshiki's the only one using his name to sell products, everyone does it. It's part of having celebrity status. It really has no bearing on whether an artist is selling out or not, it's a moot point.

Also, it wasn't Yoshiki's control freakish-ness that drove Toshi out of the band, that would be Taiji actually. Toshi's reasons for leaving remain unclear, anything about it has turned out to be nothing but pointless and ludicrous rumor stirring. Let's stick to facts please.

[wandering.legy]

*Is stalking Jounetsu* heh, ok, only a little. I actually do have something to contribute to the conversion!

I agree with everything Sakevi said except for one point: I don't think Yoshiki's making crappy poppish music or whatever you want to call it on purpose. Perhaps his tastes have changes, perhaps the rock scene holds too many painful memories, perhaps he's just getting old and doesn't have the stamina for that kind of thing anymore, but his style has obviously changed to something more mainstream and it ain't worth disliking him over it cause he's still YOSHIKI. I honestly don't believe that he's working any less hard at doing what he does best: making music, even if it's a different kind of music. And i doubt that's gonna change once he makes this band with Gackt- in fact, i think they might actually work really well together (barring the possibility that they end up working each other to death....;-))

As for what Hyde said about advertising....you're right, all celebrities endorse products, it's just part of being in the public's eye (not that i agree with the practice...but that's another debate altogether :-)) But perhaps what everyone's trying to say is that Yoshiki just advertises WAY TOO MUCH. There's gotta be a balance between the amount of good music an artist produces and the amount of self-indulgent advertising they involve themselves in, and Yoshiki's balance is completely out of whack at the moment. He's doing much more of the 'advertising' bit, and not exactly putting out in the 'music' department. I think if an artist wants to stay out in the public eye, they need to be constantly deserving their image, and Yoshiki isn't doing that at the moment. It's tough, but it makes for better entertainers :-)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yoshiki's currently working his butt off for VUK. Just because none of the work is out in the public eye yet doesn't mean he isn't paying a monstrous amount of attention to his music. I think it's unfair to sit outside the glass in judgment when it's near impossible to truly know what's happening inside and we also have no clue what it is like for him right now or what his emotional state is or what his intentions truly are.

[Setsuna69]

Haido- Marry me. O_O
One point I would like to make is this:
SaKeVi- It sounds like you're saying that Yoshiki spends no time or effort on his music now; that his priorities don't lie with his music anymore.
This dosen't make any sense because the boy gets so little sleep that both his doctors and his fans are spazzing. He stays up at ungodly hours and barely gets enough rest to function because he is working on his music, making it perfect. And that is why he hasn't released anything in a while- it doesn't meet his standards yet. It MUST be quality for Yoshiki to release it to the masses.
He has been extremely busy lately, what with the Gackt-band thing, his appearance at Otakon, and VUK. I think we should give him a chance to BREATHE before we start judging his new stuff that hasn't really been released yet. :hey:

[SaKeVi]

Hah!! a lot of stuff to quote, so let's begin!

Since you know as much about X as you do, I think you should
make a homepage with a complete biography of the band.
Something nobody has done yet, as far as I know.

I don't know; some stuff can be found on the web, but there's a reason why many stuff I said aren't still circulating around, and many others that will never be said, sorry.

Woah SaKeVi, your amount of information still knocks me out.
I see now what you mean and I will never want to hear anything
about the Trance X album in my LIFE! lol seriously.. Yoshiki was one
hell of a guy back in the days.. but even I have to admit this out
loud; He's brain has melted. And even the heart?

I guess his creativity is stuck... he believed he was so incredible that now he hasn't much to offer on that way, I hope him to release what he can do on music.


You know, it's really not Yoshiki's fault that he's popular. If Violet UK was Indies underground everyone'd be going gaga for it. And really, people, "Sex and Religion" is his only full-length song from VUK available to the public and you can't judge the entirety of someone' musical style from one song I don't care what uppity-elitist-music-"critics" say.

And why do you think he has only released that far now?? Because he's a perfeccionist?? or because he knows that considering people's accept he can release more of the same... he did that with X's ballads, those that finished boring people to dead (why, because they were most of the same formula)

And yes, he worked with Globe which puts an icky black mark on his record but he did that as a personal favor to a friend so I will forgive him... eventually.

How many favors he did in the past: tetsuya Komuro and the failed V2; when he wanted to play being a punkstar on L.O.X. and the punks finished kicking him out from the scene; when he swore that Issay would be the next favorite singer on Japan and he only appeared on his Extasy Summit; when he wanted to eat the American music scene in 1991 and everybody laughed at his "old glam band"; when he released the Trance X album... maaaany things that people still don't know, he really screwed up a lot of "awesome projects", but hey, he's Yoshiki, right??

You can't call someone a wannabe in J-Rock when they fracking invented J-Rock as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, if the boy wants to make Gothic soft rock music that appeals to the masses then that's his choice not ours. And what music is "mainstream poppy crap" and what isn't is so subject to personal opinion and bias that there's really no point in bringing it up or debating it.

As far as I know, J-pop term was created by a radio station in Japan called J-wave, who started a huge marketing process relating "japanese popular" music with his name, that's why they used the "J-pop on J-wave" slogan... then they followed with "J-rock" as X made the ROCK very popular in Japan... X and Yoshiki didn't create rock in Japan, obviously they didn't invent "J-Rock", but that's another interesting topic that has nothing to do with this.

About the poppy crap, that's what it is: he is now in pop industry, all of you have said that: he is popular now.

I don't think wanting to make something of your life equals being a bad person or publicity wh0re. Yeah, he markets a lot of stuff. What of it? Really, what of it?? Gackt markets cologne, Laruku markets cat food, Mana has a fashion store. Lots of artists market things that don't have anything to do with music. It's not like Yoshiki's the only one using his name to sell products, everyone does it. It's part of having celebrity status. It really has no bearing on whether an artist is selling out or not, it's a moot point.

But selling all this sh*t makes you a better artist?? also, wandering.legy answered this point on her post. :cool:

Also, it wasn't Yoshiki's control freakish-ness that drove Toshi out of the band, that would be Taiji actually. Toshi's reasons for leaving remain unclear, anything about it has turned out to be nothing but pointless and ludicrous rumor stirring. Let's stick to facts please.

Girl, that's something you can't be debating to me: I explained why Toshi left the band on this forum (I can't remember in which topic) and that was the pure true, and also I have the version of why Taiji left the band recorded on tape when I made an interview to one of his best friends, so please... don't believe the st*pid fangirl rumours that Toshi joined a cult and he got his brainwashed, thats really ridiculous.

I stick to the facts, and I can prove them, can you?? :-)

You don't know how's he working and you can't judge his projects...

Ok, you're right, I've been saying bullshit on this topic, I don't know anything about Yoshiki, X and X members... you won, happy?? :blush:

It's too damn hard to argue with fangirls/fanboys...

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I never said Toshi left 'cause of the cult, he met the cult leader after leaving X that's common knowledge. Please, don't put words in my mouth or superimpose other people's arguments onto me, it's irksome. And you can theorize all you want, that doesn't prove anything.

I never said Yoshiki coined the phrase "J-Rock" what I meant was he breathed life into something that hadn't really existed before.

I'm not even going to touch the ballad argument. Too flustered.

SaKeVi-san, what is it you want me to say? "Oh, oh, you're so clever. Oh, oh, you say it like it is." *sigh* I am annoyed with myself for my efforts to talk to you as though you have something valuable to say on the matter. And nothing I say will change your mind one whit either.

[You_Too]

Guys, let's not be angry with Sakevi because of his point of view at everything.
He's just expressing his thoughts, and I really do believe that guy,
because as it seems, he has been in contact with the members of x in some way
since the old days.
He might even have been their manager!
These are things we will never know for sure, but still, if you are that "close"
to everything when it happens, you get a different point of view, for sure.
He has seen more of x than we will ever do, so I can understand that he's
a little bit more critic!

Myself I think Yoshiki is one of the best musicians ever, when it comes to
writing good music.
And he's a great pianist, and drummer, and he's probably a big source of
inspiration for a lot of people in the world.

[jounetsu]

I know I'm not mad at SaKeVi at all :-)

In fact I LIKE IT when he posts here.

Sometimes it feels like no-one has courage
enough to say what they really think - I'm
not meaning any of you guys here tho -
at least SaKeVi says what he thinks about stuff.

And the only thing we can argue about is
opinions, right?

[Broken Rose Ren]

Rule number one: No arguing in the Yoshiki thread. All opinions are welcomed.

That is all. To lazy right now to comment on what was said. I'll do it later~

[SaKeVi]

I never said Toshi left 'cause of the cult, he met the cult leader after leaving X that's common knowledge. Please, don't put words in my mouth or superimpose other people's arguments onto me, it's irksome. And you can theorize all you want, that doesn't prove anything.

I never said that you said he joined that cult, that was a general comment, because everybody hold that st*pid history about the cult and many other sh*t written by rabid fangirls that are still mad at Toshi because X disbanded, that's a common attitude among blinded fans who don't want to see the truth, even when people that knows what happened explain the true reasons of Toshi leaving the band.

Maybe you don't know, but he was in X to go through an inferiority complex he had when he was young, he thought that being famous he would leave that on past... Yoshiki and hide always told him how to behave, dress and talk on stage, and as you can see, he was the first member who left behind the "agressive" image on the band. This happened because he was concerned about true problems in life, and as long as he was being more "mature", he realized that there were more important things than fame.

And then, he had an unauntenticity complex singing on X, and he wanted to go through that singing for Masaya... well, he found happiness, and how a happy person could show on stage to sing sad and painful songs?? he was honest and he said that he wasn't able to sing what he wasn't feeling at the moment... after all, if Yoshiki decided to be a public person (and people respect that) why can't we be glad to see that Toshi changed to be a happy and honest person??

If you want to know about Toshi's TRUE thoughts read his book called Aoi Hoshi no Tabibito, it could help you a little bit to understand why he left the band.

I never said Yoshiki coined the phrase "J-Rock" what I meant was he breathed life into something that hadn't really existed before.

Rock (and punk) existed with an awesome band called The Stalin, they even toured Europe before X got into mainstream, not even talk about Vow Wow or Loudness, and if we talk about Visual, the original Visual Scandal... Yoshiki just made rock a huge marketing product in Japan.

I'm not even going to touch the ballad argument. Too flustered.

Ok.. have you heard X indies ballads?? those songs were awesome and non repetitive: Unfinished, Alive, Endless Dream...

SaKeVi-san, what is it you want me to say? "Oh, oh, you're so clever. Oh, oh, you say it like it is." *sigh* I am annoyed with myself for my efforts to talk to you as though you have something valuable to say on the matter. And nothing I say will change your mind one whit either.

What do you want me to say?? that Yoshiki is God when he isn't?? that he is just kawaii and no one can criticize him??

Of course most of things you say won't change my mind, I've known this band for almost my whole life (and I'm not a teenager as most as you're) and have been in contact with people who worked with them and close friends of the band and Extasy Records... I'm sorry if I'm informed of many things you haven't heard or read on many websites, or had being told by fans around the world that repeat what they saw on another webpage.

I'm conscious now that we couln't argue about "music taste", you will probably love what he's doing with Violet UK, but as far as I know, I'm mad because I know that he can create BETTER MUSIC, that music he created when he wasn't so blinded by marketing and too many publicity.

I appreciate you to be posting here, but somehow I can't stay speechless when I see stuff that isn't true at all, or become a big lie, just as it happens with Visual and Visual Kei, I'm sorry if I have a hard and difficult way of being and expressing my opinions, but that has an explanation: I'm a lawyer, girl :-)

See you later!!

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Actually, I'm really not all googoo-gaga over Violet UK. But I'm holding out my final opinion until the album drops.

I don't know where you get this "God" and "kawaii" stuff. I know you're really enjoying labeling me as a "fangirl" and therefore paying no attention to anything that I'm actually saying but that doesn't make for good conversation. I don't want you think he's God because he isn't, he's human like everyone else he makes mistakes like everyone else but, like everyone else, he's not all bad. As for the "kawaii" thing, that's all personal taste and whatever. "Kawaii" is definitely not a word I'd use in the same sentence as Yoshiki but whatever.

Oh, right, you're in close with the band. Uh-huh. I've heard that one before and it usually comes from fans with nothing but snide, hurtful, and sometimes off-the-wall things to say about the band or artist and have monstrous superiority complexes. I'm sorry but I'm not particularly inclined to believe you.

[SaKeVi]

I don't know where you get this "God" and "kawaii" stuff. I know you're really enjoying labeling me as a "fangirl" and therefore paying no attention to anything that I'm actually saying but that doesn't make for good conversation. I don't want you think he's God because he isn't, he's human like everyone else he makes mistakes like everyone else but, like everyone else, he's not all bad. As for the "kawaii" thing, that's all personal taste and whatever. "Kawaii" is definitely not a word I'd use in the same sentence as Yoshiki but whatever.

Hmmm, just read the whole threat to see how everyone behave about Yoshiki, and hide also... and about the rest, it's useless to continue posting.

Oh, right, you're in close with the band. Uh-huh. I've heard that one before and it usually comes from fans with nothing but snide, hurtful, and sometimes off-the-wall things to say about the band or artist and have monstrous superiority complexes. I'm sorry but I'm not particularly inclined to believe you.

I've met those assh0les you said, and it's very funny for me to shut them up with real facts about the band... whatever, lots of friends know who I really am, how many friends I have on japanese music scene, where I've worked writting articles and music reviews, and that's enough for me; I'm not interested if you believe me or not, but well, looking to your comment makes me know I don't have anything to do here, I'll better go with my "lies" somewhere else, believe me, I don't need this.

So, keep on your amazing chit-chat about nothing, I'm out of here... for the rest of the people, I hope I helped you out to know more about X and related stuff from the band and band-members.

Good bye.

[Broken Rose Ren]

NO SAVEKI! DON'T GO! WE NEED YOUR X FACTS! YOU MAKE US HAPPY! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMMIT HYDE! :okashii:

This is why I said no arguing in the sacred Yoshiki thread. Now we are gonna be left in the dark again!

P.S. I don't know if you read his post previous to his last, but it's obvious he really knows about X, it's not a lie. He told us stuff about about the Last Live that can't be found anywhere

~Drowns in my tears~

[Kagura]

Don't leave Sakevi...^^, you are actually pretty valuable. I mean, people are starting to think and voice their opinions now. About this whole Yoshiki thing, I think fame has REALLY gotten to his head, but at least we know he CAN write great music, if his indies songs were at least good. It just sucks how he isn't really that....inspirational to me anymore. Oh well, he had a good run while it lasted, but I still repsect the guy, 'cuz even thought he didn't coin "j-rock" and wasn't the first VK guy, he still made it known, but I still think credit should go to who deserves it, like the bands before him

[Broken Rose Ren]

Guys, don't make SaVeKi out to be that bad guy, that's not fair. Albeit, some of his arguments were a bit...harsh. But, how do you know that he's saying isn't true? Isn't there a possibility that it is? He has told us some valuble info on X and now he's now longer coming back (maybe...?)

[jounetsu]

SAKEVI :souka:

GONE? :souka:

what i think right now can me summed up like this:

@!%&､｣#!!

*ahem* seriously that dude gave us SO much. i had never even
thought of the stuff he brought up. i am so amazed by the amount
of information forever and ever. i sure hope he comes back tho he
may consider us like fangirls and boys but hey we're still young, right?

:p

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Hey! I never told him to leave. I was simply stating my opinion just like he was. >.< I couldn't stop picking at it anymore then he could so stop acting like it's all my fault if you please. It takes two to tango.

And I can't believe you would willing put up with someone calling you belittling names. That's just...sad. But perhaps that's just me and my idealistic views on self-worth and respect talking.

[Anchyyy]

I just read that last page of the thread >.< SakeVi!!! Just don't do that to us and come back please! :bawling: Just stick around here. Pretty please? :souka: It's all about different opinions. Hyde_is_my_anti-drug acepted yours and you should do the same, even tho you know she is not right. Just don't argue guys. It's pointless.

[Broken Rose Ren]

Umm...I don't think SaKeVi was calling us names. When he spoke about the "crazy" fangirls, he meant the ignorant ones who were blinded into believing X was perfect in all ways, the same ones who often blame Toshi for making X disband. He knew that we were X fans, which is why he provided us all that info. If he thought we were crazy, he would have told us all off.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

*sigh* I guess fighting to defend artists' honor (and their fans) is even more of my idealistic nonsense. Fine, if you wanna be trodden on and lied to that's your business not mine.

God, I'm just so disappointed.

[Broken Rose Ren]

How do you know it's all lie? Can you read SaKeVi's mind? You don't know anymore than we do, so you can't call what he tells us a lie. For all we know he may very be telling the truth.

Also, it's ok to defend an artist on info you may know for a fact to be true. But we don't know X, we don't know what went on behind the scenes. So, isn't it possible that what was said on this thread is true?

Artist aren't perfect, because like us they are humans. So we can't sugar coat them and put them on pedestals out of criticisms reach.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

So, why is it you guys believe him and that's fine but if I don't that's not? By what you just said both points of view are equal. And haven't I said in this very thread that I don't believe Yoshiki's perfect? I said myself that Yoshiki's human and therefore flawed.

And exactly, WE DON'T KNOW. But personally, I'm going to believe what the artists themselves say more then what a fan who I don't trust claims to be true. But that's just me.

Why do I bother? You guys keep proving over and over that you aren't even listening to me.

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ Not what I'm saying. It's up to us to choose whether or not we believe him. But, we CAN'T call it lies because the stories may very well be true.

FYI, I wasn't exactly directing that comment toward you. I was just saying in general that people aren't perfect even our beloved artist.

Gah, this thread was so fun before~ What the hell happened?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Fun for some, I guess.

Anyway, I'm starting to wonder if VUK is ever getting released...it's a little worrisome. :worried: But I guess anything good's worth waiting for, right? And I really do hope it's worth it. The sample of "Mary Mona Lisa" that's up on VUK's myspace keeps me from getting too overly pessimistic though.

[Broken Rose Ren]

Meh...it'll get here when it gets here. I'm not really bursting with anticipation for it. I just hope the album rocks something fierce when it does finally arrive.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Well, I have faith that it'll be the best thing since sliced bread. :p I do really like what I've heard so far even though "Sex and Religion" is annoyingly just shy of brilliance. I mean, the lyrics are just wow but the arrangement...I've never been a big fan of inverted pieces anyway (aka verse taking musical importance over the chorus in manner of chorus more often than not being anti-climatic) and one of the only songs done that way that I like is HYDE's "Masquerade." And the chick's voice, though technically fantastic, has no soul. But seriously, those lyrics can almost make up for anything. And really, my big issue (the arrangement) has nothing to do with execution, it's done very well, it's just not a style I like.

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ I get you. I agree.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I really wanna hear the full-length ver. of "Mary Mona Lisa" it sounds very promising. Maybe it'll be a single.

[Broken Rose Ren]

^ Whatever it is, I just hope a full version is released soon. >.<

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yeah, I'm a Yoshiki nerd so I check his myspace and Violet UK's myspace every day. Therefore I'm constantly hearing "Mary Mona Lisa", at least, the sample that's up.

[Broken Rose Ren]

Yeah, I'm a their myspace's every...two days or so. I understand~

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Ya know, I think half the fandom will die of shock when VUK is finally released. lol :P

[Broken Rose Ren]

I think so too. A pleasant type of shock~

[jounetsu]

when did the thread become so.. so.. gah i dunno.

anyway i just wanted to say that i respect your
opinions, each and every one of them. and that i'm
not going to argue about them. this forum is about
opinions and bringing them up to see if someone agrees
or disagrees with you. and one of the main purposes
is that we learn something new from here. i know i did ^^

[Kagura]

I hope VUK is released soon, it's been sooooo long since that project has been going hasn't it? I can't wait to hear it!

[Broken Rose Ren]

Ok, minna! I'm just posting random Yoshiki videos and whatnot. Man you gotta love this guy! Do you see his friggin' house!? Baller status.

Wine with Yoshiki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V2VNDDM7cg&mode=related&search=)
Practice with Yoshiki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NInJZJT7NYE&mode=related&search=)
Bed and Bath with Yoshiki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi-haKKIS70&mode=related&search=)
Yoshiki speaks about Micheal Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_R_rzqiOc&mode=related&search=)
Yoshiki at Otakon 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0SvjM9fcP4&mode=related&search=)
Yoshiki at Otakon 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQR_d6smwEg&mode=related&search=)
After LIVE with Yoshiki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nPxN_XyeIc&mode=related&search=)
Yoshiki - Violet UK FV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=se7OJsfxB4U)
Zoom in with Yoshiki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DtLA-lkUw&mode=related&search=)

Enjoy!

[jounetsu]

aww thank you very much for the vids :cool:

*goes to watch all of them*

i can finally see some videos now that firefox is back on action :p

[hide_misery]

this thread has become deadd yet again..=.=
well, if anyone's actually still here
ive read through this whole thread and wow...
its like... having major pms or something
major mood swings, if no one's offened by that :cool:
anyone know when VUK is actually coming out?
cant wait, but i dont wanna expect too high
yoshiki's just not yoshiki anymore, summarizing what has been said throughout this thread...

[Child_prey]

. But personally, I'm going to believe what the artists themselves say more then what a fan who I don't trust claims to be true.
I have to agree with you on that one. I dont know if Sakevi is telling the truth or not even though the things he said makes sense but my point is that there ARE many people out there who claim to know this or that person and they are just full of it. Basically they have to much spare time for their own good so they post things on the net claiming that they are practically blood related with that artist...
It's good to be critical!

[Child_prey]

Hmmm, just read the whole threat to see how everyone behave about Yoshiki, and hide also... and about the rest, it's useless to continue posting.
I've met those assh0les you said, and it's very funny for me to shut them up with real facts about the band... whatever, lots of friends know who I really am, how many friends I have on japanese music scene, where I've worked writting articles and music reviews, and that's enough for me; I'm not interested if you believe me or not, but well, looking to your comment makes me know I don't have anything to do here, I'll better go with my "lies" somewhere else, believe me, I don't need this.
So, keep on your amazing chit-chat about nothing, I'm out of here... for the rest of the people, I hope I helped you out to know more about X and related stuff from the band and band-members.
Good bye.

Dude, you are a lawyer right? Then you should be used to trying to convince people you are right and handling different conflicts and opinions, you are not gonna let something like this bring you down right?!
Everybody has their own opinion, that is their human right and you said it yourself that you have met people who claim to know something and it turned out they knew absolutely nothing so you can't blaim for example Hide_is_my_antidrug for being critical.
Anyway, to sum this up. STOP BEING A BABY AND GET BACK ON THE FORUM!! :p
;-) :cool: :wave: :bluush:

[SaKeVi]

Dude, you are a lawyer right? Then you should be used to trying to convince people you are right and handling different conflicts and opinions, you are not gonna let something like this bring you down right?!
Everybody has their own opinion, that is their human right and you said it yourself that you have met people who claim to know something and it turned out they knew absolutely nothing so you can't blaim for example Hide_is_my_antidrug for being critical.
Anyway, to sum this up. STOP BEING A BABY AND GET BACK ON THE FORUM!! :p
;-) :cool: :wave: :bluush:

Hahahaha, I didn't believe my friend when she told me that someone was talking about me being a lawyer in this threat =P

- Of course I'm used to that, but it only happens when I'm working (as a lawyer or politics) not in my social life or posting around internet.

- Bring me down?? naaaah, I just prefer to keep all that information for me and my friends, and not waste it with people that in the end won't believe me.

- I'm back in the forum... I'm not a baby anymore?? :blush:

And I'm thinking about this:

I'm going to believe what the artists themselves say more then what a fan who I don't trust claims to be true

Hmm, should we believe Britney Spears when she says that she is sorry to be without panties on streets???

It's easy for people to show up and "claim" that they're saying the true (as you said), but it's EASIER for the artist to come up with a ridiculous speech and make fans believe whatever they want... just as your precious Yoshiki Hayashi does :-)

By the way, thanks for the people who sent PM to me!!

[hide_misery]

oh yeah! your back~
finally the yoshiki thread is alive again!
:cool:

[Child_prey]

Hahahaha, I didn't believe my friend when she told me that someone was talking about me being a lawyer in this threat =P
- Of course I'm used to that, but it only happens when I'm working (as a lawyer or politics) not in my social life or posting around internet.
- Bring me down?? naaaah, I just prefer to keep all that information for me and my friends, and not waste it with people that in the end won't believe me.
- I'm back in the forum... I'm not a baby anymore?? :blush:
And I'm thinking about this:
Hmm, should we believe Britney Spears when she says that she is sorry to be without panties on streets???
It's easy for people to show up and "claim" that they're saying the true (as you said), but it's EASIER for the artist to come up with a ridiculous speech and make fans believe whatever they want... just as your precious Yoshiki Hayashi does :-)
By the way, thanks for the people who sent PM to me!!
Well, you seem like a person who knows what he is talking about so therefore your task is to spread information to others, and then it is up to those people to decide if they want to believe you or not. You can't force someone into believing. You mentioned Toshi and the rumour that he joind a cult etc and that is what you think is the truth until you are proven wrong. That story is posted EVERYWHERE on the net so of course it becomes the official reason to us who haven't read his book. (so yes, I'm one of them who believed in that, + I never liked him in the first place so the idea that he went and and joined some weird cult suited me :D )
So; Keep telling us what's going on with our beloved X..and welcome back to the forum. :cool:

[Anchyyy]

Heeeeeyyyy!!! Look who's finally back! :dance: I'm really glad to see you around here again Sakevi! :flower: :cool:

[hide_misery]

Well, you seem like a person who knows what he is talking about so therefore your task is to spread information to others, and then it is up to those people to decide if they want to believe you or not. You can't force someone into believing. You mentioned Toshi and the rumour that he joind a cult etc and that is what you think is the truth until you are proven wrong. That story is posted EVERYWHERE on the net so of course it becomes the official reason to us who haven't read his book. (so yes, I'm one of them who believed in that, + I never liked him in the first place so the idea that he went and and joined some weird cult suited me :D )
So; Keep telling us what's going on with our beloved X..and welcome back to the forum. :cool:
i know what you mean
toshi was there and was cool but never up on my list of favs. and so the idea of him running away onto join a cult was okay with me =P
ah well, looks like im disappointed, not that i really am.
so... what is our dearest yo-chan up to today?

(oh, and i showed my friend this whole thread and shes highly disturbed at the x condom part XD)

[SaKeVi]

You mentioned Toshi and the rumour that he joind a cult etc and that is what you think is the truth until you are proven wrong. That story is posted EVERYWHERE on the net so of course it becomes the official reason to us who haven't read his book. (so yes, I'm one of them who believed in that, + I never liked him in the first place so the idea that he went and and joined some weird cult suited me)

Well, when you analyze this whole thing, you can see that the history of the "cult" was spread all around by annoyed X fangirls who were angry because they disbanded... whose fault was it?? of course: Toshi.

After all, there are lots of backstage histories, like disagreements among band manager and band members managers: "X Japan is first... so when can they play together??... oooh he can't tour on those dates... they should play every new year's eve... hmmm well..."

Damn, X Japan disband was waaaay before 1997... they were good actors!!

Heeeeeyyyy!!! Look who's finally back! I'm really glad to see you around here again Sakevi!

Hey, thanks a lot :blush: it's nice to see you again too :wave:

[Child_prey]

Well, when you analyze this whole thing, you can see that the history of the "cult" was spread all around by annoyed X fangirls who were angry because they disbanded... whose fault was it?? of course: Toshi.
After all, there are lots of backstage histories, like disagreements among band manager and band members managers: "X Japan is first... so when can they play together??... oooh he can't tour on those dates... they should play every new year's eve... hmmm well..."
Damn, X Japan disband was waaaay before 1997... they were good actors!!


I know that there was truble in the band already when Taiji was in it.
Yoshiki was in charge and he let everyone know it, he is a perfectionist/big individualist but he was smart enough to understand that if they weren't there X probably wouldn't have been so big but I believe that a big part of their succes is thanks to Yoshiki. He was stubborn and refused to make comprimises (for better and for worse, I wish that he would have comprimised with Taiji, I like-d him..) and that made sure that he got what he wanted.
Fame.

What I know about Toshi (aside from the cult thing :p) is that he felt that Yoshiki was suffocating his "music vision".. He wasn't alowed to do really what he wanted, he didn't have that much to say. Only hide seemed to get his point across - to a limit.

Yoshiki... If you think about him and that he maybe didn't treat them as good as he should have then normally you would hate that type of person but I don't know... I can't help but to love him. He is my favorite member. hide was my fav. in the beginning but as time went Yoshiki cought my attention more and more.. :blush: I still love hide and I'm quite fond of Taiji but there is something about that Yoshiki:-)

[Child_prey]

yoshiki's just not yoshiki anymore, summarizing what has been said throughout this thread...

well.. he is getting old... that might be a factor :lol:
But I think that since he has been through so much.. Things like that don't leave you neutral, his past has changed him.

[hide_misery]

^ yesh, age, it catches up on all of us, unfortunately. -solemnly shakes head-

at the beginning, i loved yoshiki. and then hide, and then i learned about taiji, so i was all like TAIJI!!! but its always yoshiki and then hide. i dont know though, my opinion could have changed if i had listened to them from the beginning... i only got introduced in like, this september =(
and plus, yoshiki's the one out there that keeps doing stuff. living and acting in america might also be a big factor.

[SaKeVi]

i dont know though, my opinion could have changed if i had listened to them from the beginning... i only got introduced in like, this september =(

Probably not, unless you were looking for something different, like keeping into Jun career (Rommel, Emperor...) Kerry (Mein Kampf...) or any other member that joined or created Nazi bands hahahaha.

and plus, yoshiki's the one out there that keeps doing stuff. living and acting in america might also be a big factor.

Hey!! that's not true!!

Taiji - He's still playing with D.T.R. nowadays
pata - He's also playing and touring with Ra:In (december 29th... damn, I wish I were there :okashii: )
Toshi - If you call him, he will sing for you!! (check his homepage =P)
Heath - He's into graphic arts and also has a group called Lynx
hide - Well, right now it looks like he's resting in peace, and we don't have people making money thanks to his dead... until a "new CD" comes out.

Well, mainly them... some other ex-members are still on music scene, but who cares about them?? the only one that became a big loser is Hikaru (bass) the last time I heard about him he was a gambler and an alcoholic...

Heh, this should go on X threat... so I'll keep on topic: Yoshiki sucks! :p

[Anchyyy]

And i'll keep on agree Sakevi. Althou i like him as an artist, but he sucks as a human ^^

[Child_prey]

Toshi - If you call him, he will sing for you!! (check his homepage =P)
HAHAHAHA!! Is that what is left of his "career"? :D :D

Heh, this should go on X threat... so I'll keep on topic: Yoshiki sucks! :p
And there I have to disagree with you, Yoshiki isn't half as bad as some of the rockstars today who don't give a flying **** about their fans... :okashii:

[Anchyyy]

Have you ever thought why does he give care about his fans? :p It brings him a lot of money.

[darkshadow]

http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki77grande.JPG
and now I just add some wonderfuuuullll pixxxx.....
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki78grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki70grande.JPG
OMG.....I LOVE THIS MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANhttp://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki67grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki97grande.JPG

I LOVE HIS SMILE^^

http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki43grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki25grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki28grande.jpg
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki26grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki92grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki54grande.JPG

http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki31grande.JPG

OLD PIXXXX

http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki07grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki18grande.JPG
http://yoshikigackt.altervista.org/Yoshiki/yoshiki01grande.JPG

[Anchyyy]

I can't see the pictures :relief:

[Child_prey]

Have you ever thought why does he give care about his fans? :p It brings him a lot of money.


Don't all of them want to make money?
Atleast he is nice to the fans that burn their money on his products.
As I mentioned, not all of them are. You buy their DVD, CDs and other crap and they behave like total bitches...

[Anchyyy]

Yeah you've got the point here. But anyways... I remember in an interview around year 2000 he claimed that he is still hurt, because of what happened with X Japan and with hide and on the other side, he wanted to make a lot of money by selling various X products. Why if the wounds are still not healed? Why did he care to open them again? For money?

[SaKeVi]

Hey child_prey, are you Ingrid?? :relief:

By the way, you answered one of your questions, check it out!!

Don't all of them want to make money?

HAHAHAHA!! Is that what is left of his "career"? :D :D

Toshi makes music to heal people, you know, all that new wave stuff... I'm not sure if that works or not, but at least he is making what he wants and enjoy, and he isn't looking for money.

Eventhough he isn't as famous as he used to be, I think and say that he is the member who has more sucess after X disbanded, and I'm not talking about money issues, that's bullsh*t :-)

And there I have to disagree with you, Yoshiki isn't half as bad as some of the rockstars today who don't give a flying **** about their fans... :okashii:

Good publishers and managers tell him what to say and do, in order to keep fans happy, he changed his image and he can't be f*cking around with fans because of his good image nowadays...

Check this out, I uploaded this pics of Yoshiki before 1985, when he was trying to be a punk hahahaha:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/zujetto_x/XPicYoshiki-toshi1985.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/zujetto_x/Indies.jpg

See you later!!

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

And there I have to disagree with you, Yoshiki isn't half as bad as some of the rockstars today who don't give a flying **** about their fans... :okashii:

i totaly agree with you:-)

[Broken Rose Ren]

You know...I respect Yoshiki. I don't agree with some of his actions during his career because he whored X, IMO. I mean, X Japan Curry? It could be for the money or because he doesn't want folks to forget about X...I dunno.

I can't say he sucks and that he a horrible human because I respect him to much as a musician and I don't know him personally. I've just come to accept him as the businessman he is, he looks to make money even if that means whoring out his projects.

Now, about Toshi. Honestly, I'm happy that he is doing something he cares about, something that he is passionate about. Because he sure wasn't happy after a while in X. So my hats off to him.

[JoRuDeNnA]

Well well seems like here each one has a different opinion. I respect that...saying Yoshiki San is a terrible human well...I dont really agree with that...murderers are terrible humans, ppl that hurt others are terrible. But selling those kinda stuff...I dont think is right... because yeah I respect X-japan too much to buy X Japan Curry...but its not like he's hurting somebody.

Anyways I dont want to discuss just wanted to gave my opinion about the topic heheh. So I read that Yoshiki San is making this research in some hospitals and universities in the US about the relationship between music and the human brain, I find that interesting what do you guys think?? Im curious lol :-)

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

i agree with you JoRuDeNnA......

[JoRuDeNnA]

i agree with you JoRuDeNnA......

Thanks Im glad u do hehe :-) , I really respect Yoshiki San very much, dunno about his personal life/errors/etc... honestly that's something I really dont care THAT much since music is what made me like him and he's (in my opinion) a musical genius :haihai:

[Child_prey]

Hey child_prey, are you Ingrid?? :relief:
Good publishers and managers tell him what to say and do, in order to keep fans happy, he changed his image and he can't be f*cking around with fans because of his good image nowadays...
See you later!!
No I'm not Ingrid:relief:
And even if other people do tell him what to say, to be honest, I don't really care. Just the fact that he sits down and takes 2 minutes of his time about once a month to write a blog entry for us makes me respect him tremendously. I realise he is doing so to get people's eyes on Violet UK but still... It makes my day to read his words and call me gullible if you like but I feel that there is a part of him that does appreciate his fans and our support.

, I really respect Yoshiki San very much, dunno about his personal life/errors/etc... honestly that's something I really dont care THAT much since music is what made me like him and he's (in my opinion) a musical genius :haihai:

Right on! :cool:

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Thanks Im glad u do hehe :-) , I really respect Yoshiki San very much, dunno about his personal life/errors/etc... honestly that's something I really dont care THAT much since music is what made me like him and he's (in my opinion) a musical genius :haihai:

i have to agrre with you on this one as well....he is a genius piano player....


btw: why is i one of only a few males writhing in this thread????

[Anchyyy]

btw: why is i one of only a few males writhing in this thread????

I think because there are not a lot of male jrockers here anyway... :D

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

you brobobly have right Anchyyy

[SaKeVi]

I think because there are not a lot of male jrockers here anyway... :D

Here and anywhere... the only place I've seen a lot of japanese rock fans (and fanboys) is Chile. Damn, Visual Kei in that country is becoming a religion!! you can see them everywhere, everytime, everyday.

And I was posting here to criticize Yoshiki :relief:

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

criticize him all you want SaKeVi...but admit the fact that he is a genius piano player....

[SaKeVi]

criticize him all you want SaKeVi...but admit the fact that he is a genius piano player....

I really want to learn to play piano, but I don't have the time... why I'm saying this?? I have to recognize that I started to play drums thanks to him many years ago, but then I found out how bad he was as a drummer :blush:

I will be very dissapointed if I find out the same thing with piano =/

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

but you will not find out that...becouse unlike his drumming talent...he is good at playing piano...

[Child_prey]

but you will not find out that...becouse unlike his drumming talent...he is good at playing piano...

That was a joke right??!!
The whole that he is a bad drummer thing?

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

i was only refering to SaKeVi...he said Yoshiki was a bad drummer and was afraid to findout he also was a bad piano player...but personaly i thing he's a good drummer and a good piano player

[SaKeVi]

That was a joke right??!!
The whole that he is a bad drummer thing?

i was only refering to SaKeVi...he said Yoshiki was a bad drummer and was afraid to findout he also was a bad piano player...but personaly i thing he's a good drummer and a good piano player

Huh?? I don't know, maybe I have more skills than Yoshiki on drums: I find his drum tabs quite poor and repetitive, he uses the same structure over and over... there are maaaany things to criticize, but he has charisma and appeal, that's why he looks like a good drummer, eventhough he isn't.

Have you heard Silent Jealousy intro?? have you heard Dahlia intro?? have you heard Weekend (in the middle part where Toshi sings: "weekend, I still love you") put the 3 songs together and you will hear the same drum redoubling.

That's not being creative, he just recycled lots of tabs... here's where his backup band (yeah, the other music players like Pata) save him with an amazing melody.

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

i don't care....i still think he is good

[Child_prey]

Huh?? I don't know, maybe I have more skills than Yoshiki on drums: I find his drum tabs quite poor and repetitive, he uses the same structure over and over... there are maaaany things to criticize, but he has charisma and appeal, that's why he looks like a good drummer, eventhough he isn't.
Have you heard Silent Jealousy intro?? have you heard Dahlia intro?? have you heard Weekend (in the middle part where Toshi sings: "weekend, I still love you") put the 3 songs together and you will hear the same drum redoubling.
That's not being creative, he just recycled lots of tabs... here's where his backup band (yeah, the other music players like Pata) save him with an amazing melody.
I want an example! Give me the name of someone that is better then Yoshiki and I'll listen and compare. I'm a very tolerant person, if someone indeed is better I will admit it.
Because I can basically give you a long list of drummers that play at the level of a beginner yet they are famous, sell records and etc. and so far, Yoshiki is not on that list.

[SaKeVi]

I want an example! Give me the name of someone that is better then Yoshiki and I'll listen and compare. I'm a very tolerant person, if someone indeed is better I will admit it.
Because I can basically give you a long list of drummers that play at the level of a beginner yet they are famous, sell records and etc. and so far, Yoshiki is not on that list.

Not going so far, I think Katsuji from Gargoyle is better than Yoshiki...

And well, I have to do this: the best drummer, the guy that can teach God how to play drums and hey, he is also japanese: AKIRA JIMBO. It's just awesome and crazy how this guy play drums, he creates incredible melodies and songs, and his skills are just unique; no one can play like he does. He is a freak!!!!

If you come and say that Yoshiki is better than Jimbo, I swear I'll go to Sweden and kick you!!! :blush:

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Not going so far, I think Katsuji from Gargoyle is better than Yoshiki...
And well, I have to do this: the best drummer, the guy that can teach God how to play drums and hey, he is also japanese: AKIRA JIMBO. It's just awesome and crazy how this guy play drums, he creates incredible melodies and songs, and his skills are just unique; no one can play like he does. He is a freak!!!!
If you come and say that Yoshiki is better than Jimbo, I swear I'll go to Sweden and kick you!!! :blush:

you better come to Norway too...if i find out Yoshiki is better than Akira Jimbo...i will compare the talents of them and IF Jimbo is better than Yoshiki i will admit it....

[whosthere]

I think they are both brilliant in their own unique ways.

[Child_prey]

Not going so far, I think Katsuji from Gargoyle is better than Yoshiki...
And well, I have to do this: the best drummer, the guy that can teach God how to play drums and hey, he is also japanese: AKIRA JIMBO. It's just awesome and crazy how this guy play drums, he creates incredible melodies and songs, and his skills are just unique; no one can play like he does. He is a freak!!!!

Ok, so here is what I think about Katsuji and Akira:

Katsuji sucks. He is just an average drummer, and I have heard this type of drumming many times. He reminds me somewhat of the drummer in Moi dix mois, accept that the drummer in that band sucks even worse.
Anyway, no, he isn't better then Yoshiki.

Akira is good. And here I am admiting that he is better at drumming when it comes to the technical stuff but he doesn't have what Yoshiki has, that special something that catches your attention. I mean for God sake! His heads almost rips of his neck during lives!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
So yes Akira is good.
But does Akira put his heart and soul into it? Does he destroy his wrists and neck because he lives for the music? I haven't seen any video of Akira playing with a neck brace. :blush:

If you come and say that Yoshiki is better than Jimbo, I swear I'll go to Sweden and kick you!!! :blush:
Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!:evil:
C'mon, Bring it!:box:

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Ok, so here is what I think about Katsuji and Akira:
Katsuji sucks. He is just an average drummer, and I have heard this type of drumming many times. He reminds me somewhat of the drummer in Moi dix mois, accept that the drummer in that band sucks even worse.
Anyway, no, he isn't better then Yoshiki.
Akira is good. And here I am admiting that he is better at drumming when it comes to the technical stuff but he doesn't have what Yoshiki has, that special something that catches your attention. I mean for God sake! His heads almost rips of his neck during lives!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
So yes Akira is good.
But does Akira put his heart and soul into it? Does he destroy his wrists and neck because he lives for the music? I haven't seen any video of Akira playing with a neck brace. :blush:
Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!:evil:
C'mon, Bring it!:box:

i totaly agree...so SaKeVi you better come to Norway too...it's not so far from Sweden you know...so i can yhoop your candy *** for talking ugly about Yoshiki...:box:

[Dutch Baka]

I saw Yoshiki yesterday at Bari Bari, and I could see his studio in LA, and his house in LA. Very nice place he got there :D

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

I saw Yoshiki yesterday at Bari Bari, and I could see his studio in LA, and his house in LA. Very nice place he got there :D

you were so lucky....:cool:

[JoRuDeNnA]

hideto_matsumoto_RIP & Child_prey-> I MUST agree with you guys, I mean I cant believe that almost everyone that likes X-Japan believes Yoshiki san is great when he isnt :souka: , my brain cant really understand that, and as I said before I admire Yoshiki too much to believe such things :-) . I only hope SaKeVi doesnt want to kick me too because Im way closer to him than you guys :relief: :D

Dutch Baka-> OMG you were so lucky that's awsome :cool:

Whosethere-> I agree with you too :wave:

[SaKeVi]

Ok, so here is what I think about Katsuji and Akira:
Katsuji sucks. He is just an average drummer, and I have heard this type of drumming many times. He reminds me somewhat of the drummer in Moi dix mois, accept that the drummer in that band sucks even worse.
Anyway, no, he isn't better then Yoshiki.

Appreciation probably... I'll give you this one :-)

Akira is good.

You used an extra "o", it's god :relief:

And here I am admiting that he is better at drumming when it comes to the technical stuff but he doesn't have what Yoshiki has, that special something that catches your attention. I mean for God sake! His heads almost rips of his neck during lives!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

huh??

So yes Akira is good.
But does Akira put his heart and soul into it? Does he destroy his wrists and neck because he lives for the music? I haven't seen any video of Akira playing with a neck brace. :blush:

Akira puts his heart and soul on it: he is a jazz fusion drummer!!!

Here I will disagree with you at all!!! the fact that Yoshiki didn't know how to administrate his energy on stage doesn't make him a good drummer, neither breaking his neck on stage... if that were true, Hanatarash would be the biggest star of all times*

I know, this will be disrespectful, but I have to do it: I could put a chimp on drums, dress him like a doll, put some make up and lipstick, a wig and a neck brace, and he will give me the same intensity that Yoshiki did for many years...

I just have to say: does Yoshiki has invented drum methods?? that's something that a neck brace or an affeminate look will not give you at all.

Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!:evil:
C'mon, Bring it!:box:

i totaly agree...so SaKeVi you better come to Norway too...it's not so far from Sweden you know...so i can yhoop your candy *** for talking ugly about Yoshiki...

I only hope SaKeVi doesnt want to kick me too because Im way closer to him than you guys

So it's official: SaKeVi's kicking world tour 2007!!

*** HANATARASH: Noise artist (Eye from Boredoms) that kicked butts in 80's, amazing live performances with bottles, crystals, garbage containers, cats, anything that could be broken... he was supposed to make his biggest performance work during Psychic TV tour to Japan in 1986 (3 days show) he was going to commit suicide by detonating a bomb he had attached to his stomach, but the show organization noticed that and suspended his performance.

So, this guy was going to kill himself on stage... so I assume that he is better than Yoshiki =P

[Child_prey]

i totaly agree...so SaKeVi you better come to Norway too...it's not so far from Sweden you know...so i can yhoop your candy *** for talking ugly about Yoshiki...:box:
Tack tack :-) :wave:
I saw Yoshiki yesterday at Bari Bari, and I could see his studio in LA, and his house in LA. Very nice place he got there :D
I remember seeing his gigantic house on a clip I found on YouTube. It is...very white o_O. Kind of like my personal nightmare :relief: I like a little colour here and there..:bluush:
hideto_matsumoto_RIP & Child_prey-> I mean I cant believe that almost everyone that likes X-Japan believes Yoshiki san is great when he isnt :souka: , my brain cant really understand that, and as I said before I admire Yoshiki too much to believe such things :-)
Um.. so you don't think he is that great..? And since you don't you admire him even more? :souka: That doesn't make much sense to me but I might have just misunderstood you there... :relief:

You used an extra "o", it's god :relief:
Oh please :snore: :blush:

huh??
I mean the way Yoshiki trashes his head around during lives :cool:

Akira puts his heart and soul on it: he is a jazz fusion drummer!!!
NO! Not until I see his head rolling of his body down on the floor then maybe MAYBE I will give him the official title Kick *** Drummer Of The World:D
I want to see him bleeeed!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Besides, I alreday admited that Akira is better... It's just that Akira reminds me of a drummer teacher while Yoshiki is a proper Rockstar.

Here I will disagree with you at all!!! the fact that Yoshiki didn't know how to administrate his energy on stage doesn't make him a good drummer, neither breaking his neck on stage... if that were true, Hanatarash would be the biggest star of all times*
So, this guy was going to kill himself on stage... so I assume that he is better than Yoshiki =P
Now see that just made me sad. There is a huge difference between someone who uses their body and soul to create music even though it costs them their health they refuse to stop and give in to their emotions, and somebody who is purely psycho!!
Right, so this dude wanted to commit suicide on stage, that would probably take other lives as well since he was going to use a bomb. As far as I know, Yoshikis neck injuries didn't threaten other people.
People like Hanatarash should be locked in a lunatic asylum forever.
He probably has sometype of psychosis, didn't get along with his parents, tortured animals as a child, tried to burn down buildings...
Clearly, not a well person and should have been kept of the stage.

[JoRuDeNnA]

Child_prey-> yeah you probably missunderstood me, I think Yoshiki San is awsome :-) I admire him very much :blush:

[darkshadow]

guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyys....look here^^
I've found new pix of Yoshiki-sama^^


PART 1 (http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/006301.shtml)

PART 2 (http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/006349.shtml)

PART 3 (http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/yokoku/151.shtml)

PART 4 (http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/006419.shtml)

WONDERFULL HOME^^
http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/closet2.JPGhttp://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/curry2.JPG
http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/150/img/image_15.jpghttp://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/yoshiki%20piano2.JPG
http://www.mbs.jp/baribari/news/yoshiki%20drums2.JPG

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Child_prey: i am happy to say i agree with you..
btw: ingenting å takke for :cool: :-)

darkshadow: thanks for the pictures...he shure has a nice house:cool:

[SaKeVi]

NO! Not until I see his head rolling of his body down on the floor then maybe MAYBE I will give him the official title Kick *** Drummer Of The World:D
I want to see him bleeeed!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Besides, I alreday admited that Akira is better... It's just that Akira reminds me of a drummer teacher while Yoshiki is a proper Rockstar.

How about my X covers chimp project?? they'll trash their head for sure after I give them some coffee, and I'm sure my drummer will play just as Yoshiki did, but probably fangirls wouldn't scream him "kawaii" during Chimps-Japan tour =/

Now see that just made me sad. There is a huge difference between someone who uses their body and soul to create music even though it costs them their health they refuse to stop and give in to their emotions, and somebody who is purely psycho!!
Right, so this dude wanted to commit suicide on stage, that would probably take other lives as well since he was going to use a bomb. As far as I know, Yoshikis neck injuries didn't threaten other people.
People like Hanatarash should be locked in a lunatic asylum forever.
He probably has sometype of psychosis, didn't get along with his parents, tortured animals as a child, tried to burn down buildings...
Clearly, not a well person and should have been kept of the stage.

Hanatarash was unique, and hey, his drummer was better than Yoshiki too!! why?? he had a little thing called improvisation =P

I'm still stick to my opinion: Yoshiki is repetitive to death!!! not only with his music, the way he behaved was repetitive and boring too!!

It's just so sad to realize that from 1989 to 1997, you see the same performance on stage, with the same music and the same routine... and I'm not fooling around with this, I've seen way maaany X live shows and unfortunately in the end I was dissapointed when I realized I was watching the same stuff over and over (and over...)

That's why I'm just stuck in their indie era, you know why?? because when you see their early shows, you are looking to different shows actually: when they threw up inflate dolls to audience, when they "spit fire" on stage, when Hikaru showed up and threw water to audience with a fire extinguisher (that's where he came up with that, somebody in X did that before) and many more things that made X that famous...

Suddenly Mr. Marketing just erased that forever, and became a boring guy that actually didn't know how to play drums at all, I don't know why, but I'm just not impressed with him shaking his head on stage, that's just crap.

Anyways, he found the chicken of the golden eggs: lame music, lame performance, but a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans...

Yoshiki sucks to dead!!

[daki]

How about my X covers chimp project?? they'll trash their head for sure after I give them some coffee, and I'm sure my drummer will play just as Yoshiki did, but probably fangirls wouldn't scream him "kawaii" during Chimps-Japan tour =/
Hanatarash was unique, and hey, his drummer was better than Yoshiki too!! why?? he had a little thing called improvisation =P
I'm still stick to my opinion: Yoshiki is repetitive to death!!! not only with his music, the way he behaved was repetitive and boring too!!
It's just so sad to realize that from 1989 to 1997, you see the same performance on stage, with the same music and the same routine... and I'm not fooling around with this, I've seen way maaany X live shows and unfortunately in the end I was dissapointed when I realized I was watching the same stuff over and over (and over...)
That's why I'm just stuck in their indie era, you know why?? because when you see their early shows, you are looking to different shows actually: when they threw up inflate dolls to audience, when they "spit fire" on stage, when Hikaru showed up and threw water to audience with a fire extinguisher (that's where he came up with that, somebody in X did that before) and many more things that made X that famous...
Suddenly Mr. Marketing just erased that forever, and became a boring guy that actually didn't know how to play drums at all, I don't know why, but I'm just not impressed with him shaking his head on stage, that's just crap.
Anyways, he found the chicken of the golden eggs: lame music, lame performance, but a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans...
Yoshiki sucks to dead!!
even as a X fan, i've to agree that all the live shows after their name change is pretty much the same: stage wise, performance wise, set list wise...some times u really wonder why?

but i disagree with "a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans".

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

SaKeVi --> argument al you want i still think Yoshiki is a good drummer...

[Child_prey]

Child_prey-> yeah you probably missunderstood me, I think Yoshiki San is awsome :-) I admire him very much :blush:
Sorry :relief: :relief:
Well that痴 good. I admire him too :-)

I知 still stick to my opinion: Yoshiki is repetitive to death!!! not only with his music, the way he behaved was repetitive and boring too!!
It痴 just so sad to realize that from 1989 to 1997, you see the same performance on stage, with the same music and the same routine... and I'm not fooling around with this, I'e seen way maaany X live shows and unfortunately in the end I was dissapointed when I realized I was watching the same stuff over and over (and over...)
That's why I'm just stuck in their indie era, you know why?? because when you see their early shows, you are looking to different shows actually: when they threw up inflate dolls to audience, when they 敗pit fire・on stage, when Hikaru showed up and threw water to audience with a fire extinguisher (that's where he came up with that, somebody in X did that before) and many more things that made X that famous...
Suddenly Mr. Marketing just erased that forever, and became a boring guy that actually didn't know how to play drums at all, I don't know why, but I'm just not impressed with him shaking his head on stage, that's just crap.
Anyways, he found the chicken of the golden eggs: lame music, lame performance, but a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans...
Yoshiki sucks to dead!!
I have read through this thread and for some reason you all seem so upset with the fact that X did a lot of marketing. For one, that is how you get attention and earn a huge amount of money. I can understand that it may seem that in that way they sold their souls and all they cared about were fancy cars and filling their bank acounts. Mind you, X was very inspired by KISS who where the fathers of marketing Rock. They started the whole put-your-bands-name-on-anything-that-might-sell roller coaster and by that time it was almost fashionable to do so. But my point is; Does it really matter?
I would also protest if that meant that X started to create bad music and just cared about money but that isn't the case now is it?! When it comes to their music they reached far beyond what others did, they created some of the best pieces I have ever heard in my life. If they wanted to make some extra money, whatever! That's their choice! It would only become a problem if it came in the way of the most important thing; The music.

Also, everyone blames Yoshiki for it, he is Satan in disguise and it is his fault that they put their name on Curry. What did the others say? If they hated it they would object and for ex, quit the band but they didn't seem to mind it that much. I mean c'mon! Even hide apeared in a cell-phone commercial!!
It is wrong to blame everything on Yoshiki, since he is the leader but the others aren't exactly made of wood, they had a choice. You hear so much about that the rest of the X members had hardly anything to say about anything, which is ridiculous, did Yoshiki steer them like puppets? They lastet for quite a while, if they were that miserable they would have left a long time ago. These are full-grown men we are talking about! Yes, Yoshiki is driven. Yes, he runs things with an iron hand. He is a tough leader but if he wasn't, things would have fallen apart and they would have never been this succesful!

As I said, there was nothing that stopped the others from leaving X and joining some other band or starting their own.
I have seen my share of lives too so I can agree that some things stayed the same during the years like Yoshiki's drumsolo. I suppose they thought's were; If it's good why change it?
So that is a small minus, but that minus is just so insignificant if you look at the bigger picture.
Oh and this migh shock you, their looks mean...absolutely nothing to me.
Sure, Yoshiki had scored the pretty hair DNA gene and displayed it with those long curls of his and hide was pretty cute but those who base their "X-japan love and OhmyGod-I'm-just-such-a-X-fan-forever-love-is-just-wonderful" on their appereance aren't worth mentioning because those aren't real fans.
Has it ever ocured to you that there are people out there who really do like their music and not the dresses they wore? So "pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans".. I don't know what you are talking about.

And I would like to take this oppertunity to end this discussion about wether Yoshiki is a sucky drummer or not. YOU don't like him but I do. Fair enough. It's a free world. The End.

[SaKeVi]

I have read through this thread and for some reason you all seem so upset with the fact that X did a lot of marketing. For one, that is how you get attention and earn a huge amount of money. I can understand that it may seem that in that way they sold their souls and all they cared about were fancy cars and filling their bank acounts. Mind you, X was very inspired by KISS who where the fathers of marketing Rock. They started the whole put-your-bands-name-on-anything-that-might-sell roller coaster and by that time it was almost fashionable to do so. But my point is; Does it really matter?

Well, Yoshiki was influenced by punk in his early years, and he was also inspired with Loudness, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin... it seems that somewhere in his life, his choice was making a lot of money, and if you want a clue to find this out, his family sold everything just to make "his dream" come true.

I don't blame him at all, after all, his mother sold everything they had just to make Extasy Records be true, and one day, he had to "pay back" that "loan", even if he just had to show his own balls in a TV commercial.

I would also protest if that meant that X started to create bad music and just cared about money but that isn稚 the case now is it?! When it comes to their music they reached far beyond what others did, they created some of the best pieces I have ever heard in my life. If they wanted to make some extra money, whatever! That痴 their choice! It would only become a problem if it came in the way of the most important thing; The music.

Their indie music was way better than their major music; they made a huge variety of melodies and didn't stick in the same song structure as YOSHIKI did after they went into Major...

And that happened only for one and strong reason: when they were a indie band, EVERYBODY helped making music, all of them had some different music influences, and THAT made their early albums not to be so boring and repetitive...

Also, everyone blames Yoshiki for it, he is Satan in disguise and it is his fault that they put their name on Curry. What did the others say? If they hated it they would object and for ex, quit the band but they didn稚 seem to mind it that much. I mean c知on! Even hide apeared in a cell-phone commercial!!
It is wrong to blame everything on Yoshiki, since he is the leader but the others aren稚 exactly made of wood, they had a choice. You hear so much about that the rest of the X members had hardly anything to say about anything, which is ridiculous, did Yoshiki steer them like puppets? They lastet for quite a while, if they were that miserable they would have left a long time ago. These are full-grown men we are talking about! Yes, Yoshiki is driven. Yes, he runs things with an iron hand. He is a tough leader but if he wasn稚, things would have fallen apart and they would have never been this succesful!
As I said, there was nothing that stopped the others from leaving X and joining some other band or starting their own.

I can't make you change your mind, but there's a HUGE fact that you probably ignore:

- Others had a choice too, that's why X had like 20 members before 1987...

- Taiji had his choice and joined Loudness after he left X; that man kicks *ss, he didn't forget his early punk influences and just did whatever he wanted to do, and he refused to be just a back up musician on stage for Yoshiki's pleasure.

- Toshi had his choice too, and now we have thousands of fans f*cking him because he wanted to do what he wants... I explained why Toshi left the band (by his OWN words) and hey: he left X because he was a puppet in there!!! he couldn't sing what he felt, but what Yoshiki's "feelings" were at that time.

- hide had his choice too: he started his own solo career with his own music point of view... he didn't left X because he was an awesome musician and was very thankful with the BAND that put him in mainstream. This will be very risky, but I think that HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS SAD AFTER X DISBANDED.

- Pata?? He stayed in X just because hide was there. He was a very close friend of hide since 80's and supported him to death everywhere, that's why he helped hide on his solo tours as a guitarrist, and after X disbanded he played with Spread beaver too... and hey, Pata wasn't going to be in X, he joined X because the other guitarrist had an accident before a show (he was better than Pata) and X needed a guitar player; so, hide called Pata to help them and that's why he stayed there. That would be very rude if Pata left the band after he joined them like he did.

- Heath?? another hide's friend that joined the band just because Taiji didn't take anymore Yoshiki's behave...

Unfortunately, when X became famous, Yoshiki took the "boss" attitude, he behaved like the boy who owns the soccer ball and he says what to play, and if someone tried something different, he got angry and took the soccer ball and screamed "this is my ball and we will play whatever I said!!".

And it's very sad to see that, in the end, Yoshiki was upon everything, even the band itself:
"Produced by Yoshiki, coproduced by X Japan"
That's pure st00pid ego, and that's why I say that motherf*cker sucks so much, because he thinks he's more important than the guys who helped him and supported him so much, even when his damn family didn't have a yen on their pockets, and that's how he pays them after all this time: becoming more important than the BAND (hide, pata taiji, toshi, heath, jun, kerry, hikaru, hally etc etc) that made his skinny *ss famous.

And guess what?? that kind of behave ends splitting bands up... and that's something many people knew since 1993, it was just a bomb that had to explode someday

Oh and this migh shock you, their looks mean...absolutely nothing to me.

Sure, Yoshiki had scored the pretty hair DNA gene and displayed it with those long curls of his and hide was pretty cute but those who base their 嚢-japan love and OhmyGod-I知-just-such-a-X-fan-forever-love-is-just-wonderful・on their appereance aren稚 worth mentioning because those aren稚 real fans.
Has it ever ocured to you that there are people out there who really do like their music and not the dresses they wore? So 廃retty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans・.. I don稚 know what you are talking about.

That you probably didn't go to their concerts, where those fans were the ones that sold out the shows, where you can hear those b*tches screaming "Yoshikiiiiii" every minute on their tapes, videos and DVD's... he knew that, and gave them what they wanted.

hide is a marketing boy, and I don't complain about that, I really like him because he had the same attitude his entire music career, he didn't lie ever, he behaved the same way everytime, everywhere... a congruent person, that's why I like him a lot.

And I would like to take this oppertunity to end this discussion about wether Yoshiki is a sucky drummer or not. YOU don稚 like him but I do. Fair enough. It痴 a free world. The End.

Yup, in the end his tabs aren't worthless at all: they help me to warm up before I play drums for real :blush:

[Child_prey]

Well, Yoshiki was influenced by punk in his early years, and he was also inspired with Loudness, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin... it seems that somewhere in his life, his choice was making a lot of money, and if you want a clue to find this out, his family sold everything just to make "his dream" come true.
I don't blame him at all, after all, his mother sold everything they had just to make Extasy Records be true, and one day, he had to "pay back" that "loan", even if he just had to show his own balls in a TV commercial.
His mother loved him very much and that shows what good taste she has since she sold their business in order for him to succeed. Did he fail perhaps? :blush:
can't make you change your mind, but there's a HUGE fact that you probably ignore:
- Others had a choice too, that's why X had like 20 members before 1987...
- Taiji had his choice and joined Loudness after he left X; that man kicks *ss, he didn't forget his early punk influences and just did whatever he wanted to do, and he refused to be just a back up musician on stage for Yoshiki's pleasure.
- Toshi had his choice too, and now we have thousands of fans f*cking him because he wanted to do what he wants... I explained why Toshi left the band (by his OWN words) and hey: he left X because he was a puppet in there!!! he couldn't sing what he felt, but what Yoshiki's "feelings" were at that time.
- hide had his choice too: he started his own solo career with his own music point of view... he didn't left X because he was an awesome musician and was very thankful with the BAND that put him in mainstream. This will be very risky, but I think that HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS SAD AFTER X DISBANDED.
- Pata?? He stayed in X just because hide was there. He was a very close friend of hide since 80's and supported him to death everywhere, that's why he helped hide on his solo tours as a guitarrist, and after X disbanded he played with Spread beaver too... and hey, Pata wasn't going to be in X, he joined X because the other guitarrist had an accident before a show (he was better than Pata) and X needed a guitar player; so, hide called Pata to help them and that's why he stayed there. That would be very rude if Pata left the band after he joined them like he did.
- Heath?? another hide's friend that joined the band just because Taiji didn't take anymore Yoshiki's behave...
Right, you just proved my point. They didn't have a gun to their head, they quit or started other projects.
Toshi..ah yes Toshi... I'm not one of them that hates him because "he split up X". In fact, I have never liked him. He isn't a likable person and I might imagine that I feel about Toshi what you feel about Yoshiki. He is an average singer but I suppose I should thank Yoshiki for making him the singer and therefore stoping Toshi from becoming a doctor. the thought of him examining you...*shivers and throws up*. Good Job Yoshiki! :cool: :D
And if he hated being in X and still stayed then I'm sorry, but he is one hell of a weak man for not being able to walk away after more then 10 years of "suffering".

Taiji, I like him. Prefer him from Heath. Taiji is a good man. :cool:

That you probably didn't go to their concerts, where those fans were the ones that sold out the shows, where you can hear those b*tches screaming "Yoshikiiiiii" every minute on their tapes, videos and DVD's... he knew that, and gave them what they wanted.
hide is a marketing boy, and I don't complain about that, I really like him because he had the same attitude his entire music career, he didn't lie ever, he behaved the same way everytime, everywhere... a congruent person, that's why I like him a lot.

Well no I didn't go to their concerts. When they were touring I was still playing in the sandbox and learning the alphabet. Or busy with basically..being born:p :blush:
They are so old!! :D

Fangirls will always be fangirls. They exist only to annoy and to teach everyone how to seperate a fan from a fangirl/boy.
But I have to say I'm pretty impressed by those japanese fangirls and their lung capacity. They know how to scream someones name from far far away in that ascending way, start of lower and then it builds up to the last letter. Although, it only works with hide's name.. :p

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Child_prey --> i agree with you...let us put and end to the discution about wether Yoshiki is a sucky drummer or not.

SaKeVi --> YOU don't like him but I do. Fair enough. It's a free world.

[SaKeVi]

His mother loved him very much and that shows what good taste she has since she sold their business in order for him to succeed. Did he fail perhaps? :blush:

A good taste, hahaha, he was just a spoiled kid-girl, but in the end he succeeded... yeah, he became rich thanks to fangirls.

Right, you just proved my point. They didn't have a gun to their head, they quit or started other projects.

No, they had even a more powerful weapon pointing to their proud: the words betray and abandonment just pushed too hard their mind so they stayed there, even when they finished being puppets and back-up musicians of "Yoshiki's band".

And I explained somewhere in this forum about how they stayed together: they had some son of a b*tches managers, who made everything work "right" from 1992 to 1996... that's a shame that, while hide said "the band goes first", some other piano player preferred to make his personal business and his projects leaving the band in a second place.

Wow, that piano player doesn't sound very respectful at all...

Toshi..ah yes Toshi... I'm not one of them that hates him because "he split up X". In fact, I have never liked him. He isn't a likable person and I might imagine that I feel about Toshi what you feel about Yoshiki. He is an average singer but I suppose I should thank Yoshiki for making him the singer and therefore stoping Toshi from becoming a doctor. the thought of him examining you...*shivers and throws up*. Good Job Yoshiki! :cool: :D

Well, think whatever you want, but I'm sure you will change your mind once you meet both of them as persons... that's why I hate Yoshiki and I respect Toshi, not only because the way they look, but also the way they behave.

And if he hated being in X and still stayed then I'm sorry, but he is one hell of a weak man for not being able to walk away after more then 10 years of "suffering".

That's what happens when you quit school to help your friend: your "best" friend that wanted you just for your voice and not for your feelings... hell yeah, Yoshiki is a "nice" person!!!

Anyway, it's hard to explain 20 years in just 5 minutes; you probably have just a fan vision of the band, and I probably have another vision from them, since I have heard and being told so many things that aren't written in homepages...

In the end, all of us made them what they are now: a legendary band.

[JoRuDeNnA]

:souka: ok well I MUST agree AGAIn with Child_prey, I agree that all of them, each member of X had his own little head and little neurons to think and act the way they wanted, because honestly, I dont think an average person that age would let other's manage them and obey like little doggies, I mean no one is a slave!! yeah! maybe Yoshiki took that "boss" attitude BUT were the other members mute?? I dont think so :D, if they didnt like the ideas Yoshiki had, Im sure they would have said something. And making Yoshiki guilty for everything that happened to X, thats just st00pid, again, he wasnt dealing with little defenseless kids, but with grownup men, and like it or not, at the end music will always be a business, and its all about money; the diference is some musicians just do stupid things to get more fans AND more money; others get fans because they fight and put their heart and soul when creating music. X deserves all the fans they have :-)

Still I think that this conversation will never have an end if we continue like this!

SaKeVi-> Ok u have your own opinion, your own little world and little mind just like the rest of us, you hate Yoshiki San to death OK! fine, no one is trying to change your opinion, BUT I feel like you are trying to convince ppl that he sucks, IM SO SORRY but at least in my case I respect your thoughts, but Im old enough to decide if I like him or not. AND dunno if you said this somewhere in this thread, but, where do you get all that info?? you speak as if you were living with the X members through all their career and know exactly what their personalities and thoughts were, I must accept Im very surprised! and Im really curious about that :-)

Oh in the case of screaming fangirls, yeah lots of them liked X because of the sexy drummer and cute guitarist mentioned before BUT there were others, including me, who like X because of the music they created, I really dont care if Yoshiki is sexy or not, or if hide sama was/is cute or not, as I said before if I admire them is because of the music and nothing more :blush:

But anyways I will be the third person saying this: YOU don't like him but I do. Fair enough. It's a free world.

P.S. A legendary band??? I must accept i second that :cool:

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

.In the end, all of us made them what they are now: a legendary band.

i agree with you on this one..

[SaKeVi]

:souka: ok well I MUST agree AGAIn with Child_prey, I agree that all of them, each member of X had his own little head and little neurons to think and act the way they wanted, because honestly, I dont think an average person that age would let other's manage them and obey like little doggies, I mean no one is a slave!! yeah! maybe Yoshiki took that "boss" attitude BUT were the other members mute?? I dont think so :D, if they didnt like the ideas Yoshiki had, Im sure they would have said something. And making Yoshiki guilty for everything that happened to X, thats just st00pid, again, he wasnt dealing with little defenseless kids, but with grownup men, and like it or not, at the end music will always be a business, and its all about money; the diference is some musicians just do stupid things to get more fans AND more money; others get fans because they fight and put their heart and soul when creating music. X deserves all the fans they have :-)

Yup, you said that girl (and I put that with black words)

Even they were not stupid guys, in the end they finished obbeying reccomendations from managers... that was "stay in X, that will give you enough money and fame to do your OWN music on a side project band".

Some also stayed for personal reasons (as I explained) and others because they were a 0 on the left in japanese music scene (*cof* Heath... *cof*) and the band fame let them be somebody in music, even if they had to deal with Yoshiki's ego and superiority complex.

Crap, that shows too how they took those "feelings and soul in every song" just as a job, and not a passion :-)

Still I think that this conversation will never have an end if we continue like this!

Yeah, I know... I'm still thankful that this is a discussion forum, believe me, if this were a fan forum, I will not be here.

SaKeVi-> Ok u have your own opinion, your own little world and little mind just like the rest of us, you hate Yoshiki San to death OK! fine, no one is trying to change your opinion, BUT I feel like you are trying to convince ppl that he sucks, IM SO SORRY but at least in my case I respect your thoughts, but Im old enough to decide if I like him or not.

I'm just saying that he isn't the pretty sissy angel that everybody think he is :cool:

AND dunno if you said this somewhere in this thread, but, where do you get all that info?? you speak as if you were living with the X members through all their career and know exactly what their personalities and thoughts were, I must accept Im very surprised! and Im really curious about that :-)

Roadies, live gigs owners and friends of the band have the best place in the world to see how's the life in a music band... guess what?? I've met and talked with some of them :-)

Oh in the case of screaming fangirls, yeah lots of them liked X because of the sexy drummer and cute guitarist mentioned before BUT there were others, including me, who like X because of the music they created, I really dont care if Yoshiki is sexy or not, or if hide sama was/is cute or not, as I said before if I admire them is because of the music and nothing more :blush:

Those b*tches were the one that made them rich and famous... ad they did also with Luna Sea, Glay, L'arc en Ciel etc etc. X disbanded and they just found another band or artist to put every yen on it; why do you think Yoshiki is still a huuuuuge artist while the other guys play music in small live gigs like Rokumeikan or Loft??

That little bastard knows where to put his image, NOT his soul... and therefore he knows where that big market called fangirls will put their yens and dollars.

I also ended hating his music: boring, repetitive and mellow, just as the doctor prescribed, for all the fangirls pleasure.

But anyways I will be the third person saying this: YOU don't like him but I do. Fair enough. It's a free world.

Great :cool:

P.S. A legendary band??? I must accept i second that :cool:

I give everybody what they really deserve; I'm not blind :p

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

I give everybody what they really deserve; I'm not blind :p

good good....:cool: :cool:

[XwY]

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

i TOTALY agree with you...:cool:

[SaKeVi]

i TOTALY agree with you...:cool:

Oh look, that's something you haven't said before, right?? :-)

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

Well, after reading your message 7 times, I could barely understand something, so:

1.- My nick is SaKeVi.

2.- If my speech is crap, you shouldn't care about this and you must continue screaming like fangirl to a paper idol like Yoshiki...

3.- I'm not a musician, I have 2 master degrees and take music as a hobby... I'm good at what I'm doing, just as supposely Yoshiki is "good" at music.

4.- If you don't know me, your whole speech is just as you said:

wat u talk are craps....

5.- I make my money with music, just as I said, I take it as a "hobby", but that doesn't mean I'm not involved in music industry and music scene, as Mexican music and Japanese music... so, as I said, if you don't know me, that's a big mistake of you to speak crap of me.

6.- Believe me, if I have a big band someday, I will not sell it as a prostitute, just as Yoshiki did... maybe he likes that so much, just remember how he used to dress on stage, so, that probably was the whole concept behind X: the ***** band.

7.- Come on unknown guy, play an instrument, and you will agree with me that his drums skills are so f*cking poor...

8.- Come on unknown guy, be in music scene and understand what I'm saying...

9.- Come on unknown guy, get a life and stop b*tching here, I can support what I'm saying, and you just came as a fanboy that doesn't want to believe what I've posted here...

10.- I've met X members, have you??

Judge: I rest my case...

[You_Too]

This topic has been fun to read, haha!
Sakevi, you really hate Yoshiki, don't you?
Maybe you've wasted your time collecting such a lot
of X videos? :P

I must say I partly understand Sakevi.
Yoshiki is far from the best drummer there is, though I still think
he is a really cool guy, with a cool style.
I know he did a lot of stupid stuff through the years just to gain
fans and make money, but a lot of famous musicians do that.
Speaking of drums, my favourite drummer in the world is Thomas Lang.
That's a guy who knows how to play!

Anyway, I prefer the pre-X-Japan-era too, just like you Sakevi.
The concerts in 1994-1997 were mostly repetitive I guess, especially
after 1994. But from what I've seen and heard of the 1993 concerts, those
are really good for being from the X-Japan-era. Art of life is performed,
hide makes a new solo show, Orgasm is much more interesting,
especially the middle-part! ;)

hide is actually my favourite member of X. He was never repetitive!
I wish I could see more of hide in Saber Tiger some day... From what
I've seen, those shows are truly great!:cool:

[SaKeVi]

Maybe you've wasted your time collecting such a lot
of X videos? :P

I don't think so... Most of the videos I have are from their X era, and definitely, that's their best era.

Anyway, I prefer the pre-X-Japan-era too, just like you Sakevi.
The concerts in 1994-1997 were mostly repetitive I guess, especially
after 1994. But from what I've seen and heard of the 1993 concerts, those
are really good for being from the X-Japan-era. Art of life is performed,
hide makes a new solo show, Orgasm is much more interesting,
especially the middle-part! ;)

That's true, in 1993 they changed their performance on stage, and that was cool to see at first, but just at first; then, it became boring and repetitive.


I wish I could see more of hide in Saber Tiger some day... From what
I've seen, those shows are truly great!:cool:

I think you've already seen Nick from Saber Tiger somewhere in internet, he's such a "japanese cat" hahahaha.

And if you haven't, send me a PM and I'll tell you where to find him :cool:

[You_Too]

I think you've already seen Nick from Saber Tiger somewhere in internet, he's such a "japanese cat" hahahaha.
I've seen part of a live video from 1985. Nick is cool! :cool:
And hide too of course...

By the way Sakevi, have you heard the rehearsal from Tokyo Dome 1994,
where X played Break the darkness?
Too bad they didn't perform it at the concerts!:(

[SaKeVi]

I've seen part of a live video from 1985. Nick is cool! :cool:

Have you spoken with him?? He could give you a DVD from that concert, but he sucks speaking english hahaha.

By the way Sakevi, have you heard the rehearsal from Tokyo Dome 1994,
where X played Break the darkness?
Too bad they didn't perform it at the concerts!:(

Yup, I've heard it, that Dahlia-Scars-break the darkness combination is awesome =P

Haven't you seen them performing Break The Darkness live?? I'm going to upload 2 songs from 1987 to Youtube (Install and I'll Kill You) but I could change one of them... those are from the most known indies videos (Shadow of X)

Also, I uploaded 2 other songs to Youtube, check the X threat =P

[You_Too]

Have you spoken with him?? He could give you a DVD from that concert, but he sucks speaking english hahaha.
Oh, I didn't realize that was actually Nick!
I've sent him a pm, but he hasn't replied.
You don't happen to have his email adress?
Haven't you seen them performing Break The Darkness live??
I've seen it. I have some of their indies shows on dvd.
I love the song No connexion!

[Child_prey]

SaKeVi:
I was planning to write a long reply some time ago but I don't feel like it so I will just end this with these words:
I know that Yoshiki isn't the nices man on this earth. I know that he treated his band mates worse then they deserved but he is a business man first and a friend second, unfortunately. And if you want to gain that type of succes that he gained you have to be egoistic and think only of yourself and the things that will gain you. I'm not saying that he did a good thing, you can be a democratic leader and still gain whatever you want to gain but that is a matter of personality and taste, that is just the type of person he is.
You often hear that in order to gain succes you have to give up some things life like friends, family and your sparetime... I suppose that he did just that.
But what I admire about him is the fact that he never gives up. He has a goal and he strives for it - and then reaches it. He gets what he wants.

About fangirls; ALL bands have fangirls. If there is a remotely cute band member in that band there will always be fangirl-devils waiting on him on the other side of the door. It's not like Yoshiki is the only one that got popular that way...

I think I will end it with that. I've said what I wanted to say.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I really don't understand this anti-fan phenomenon. I mean, if you hate someone's guts so much why take the time out of your day to post about them obsessively? That's time I'd think one would rather spend enjoying an artist they like. I guess not. It's really a shame, anti-fans make it very difficult for actual fans to talk about artists or just hold any kind of intelligent conversation.

But let's get back to, ya know, who this topic is about, YOSHIKI. Anybody got any new exciting news about Yoshiki they'd like to share?

[SaKeVi]

Child_prey, I really appreciate your comment, thanks for posting it :cool:

SaKeVi:
I know that Yoshiki isn't the nices man on this earth. I know that he treated his band mates worse then they deserved but he is a business man first and a friend second, unfortunately.

Sorry for doing this, but first it was the opposite:

As all of we know, he met Toshi since they were little kids, and he also met Taiji before he joined X, Yoshiki used to live with Taiji when he was in Dementia, and they were good friends too before all the business stuff showed up in Yoshiki's mind.

In the end, the true fact is that he preferred business rather than friendships...

I really don't understand this anti-fan phenomenon. I mean, if you hate someone's guts so much why take the time out of your day to post about them obsessively? That's time I'd think one would rather spend enjoying an artist they like. I guess not. It's really a shame, anti-fans make it very difficult for actual fans to talk about artists or just hold any kind of intelligent conversation.

You shouldn't try to understand it, or at least don't make much effort to discover it.

What it is really a shame is the fact that those fans create an unique atmosphere around their favorite artist that they can't handle true facts about them... so, are you talking about intelligent conversations?? this forum is full of "intelligent" comments as "OMG he is so pretty" "they are the best band ever" "I love _____ (put your favorite singer there)" and so on.

Maybe you just have to understand that this is a DISCUSSION FORUM, and here you will see both positive and negative opinions about something; if you can't handle it, that's a real shame.

The difference here is that you stick to your opinion just by idealizing how he would be in real life (or how you want him to be). I stick to my opinion by true facts that I've been told by people that worked with him and others that somehow where part of his life.

How dissapointing, the true will not make us free.

[Child_prey]

Sorry for doing this, but first it was the opposite:
As all of we know, he met Toshi since they were little kids, and he also met Taiji before he joined X, Yoshiki used to live with Taiji when he was in Dementia, and they were good friends too before all the business stuff showed up in Yoshiki's mind.
In the end, the true fact is that he preferred business rather than friendships...
Right and now he is mr nice guy who wants to please his fans (nothing wrong with that, I'm pretty fed up with those bands who threat their fans like crap...) but he is narcisistic so it's only a show... I am well aware of this. *bitter smile*
"OMG he is so pretty" "they are the best band ever" "I love _____ (put your favorite singer there)" and so on.
Maybe you just have to understand that this is a DISCUSSION FORUM, and here you will see both positive and negative opinions about something; if you can't handle it, that's a real shame.
The difference here is that you stick to your opinion just by idealizing how he would be in real life (or how you want him to be). I stick to my opinion by true facts that I've been told by people that worked with him and others that somehow where part of his life.
How dissapointing, the true will not make us free.
But... he is pretty! :blush:
Not everyone can have the exakt same opinion about things, if that were the case the world would look a whoooooole lot different. Maybe better but probably boring. hehe
Well SaKeVi, I feel that our discussion was pretty good. You made your point and I made mine. Thanks for a good fight. :cool: *shakes SaKeVis hand* :-)

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Tell me, SaKeVi-san, just how do you know exactly what my opinion is on Yoshiki? And I've said ever, ever, and ever that I know he is HUMAN and makes mistakes and can be a royal a-hole. I don't believe he is "God" or "perfect" or whatever else it is that you're superimposing onto my views.

Secondly, just what is fact? There are always multiple sides to a story and facts get misconstrued and mixed in with fabrications and rumors. It's very difficult to reach the real "truth of the matter" when dealing with celebrities. In the end, the only people that know the truth are the artists themselves and sometimes even then I wonder.

About discussion, you don't discuss, honey, you mock. Discussion - definition - "Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation. A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition." I have yet to see you "discuss" anything.

And lastly, I have yet to see you give any real proof to back up most of your over-the-top statements.

[SaKeVi]

But... he is pretty!

He's skinny :-)

Not everyone can have the exakt same opinion about things, if that were the case the world would look a whoooooole lot different. Maybe better but probably boring. hehe

You're right.

But hey, just as hyde... did in her yesterday's post: she hated haters, so which side is she in??

Well SaKeVi, I feel that our discussion was pretty good. You made your point and I made mine. Thanks for a good fight. *shakes SaKeVis hand*

I prefer a hug :p

Tell me, SaKeVi-san, just how do you know exactly what my opinion is on Yoshiki? And I've said ever, ever, and ever that I know he is HUMAN and makes mistakes and can be a royal a-hole. I don't believe he is "God" or "perfect" or whatever else it is that you're superimposing onto my views.

So, you don't have an opinion about him??

And those words like "god" were shot to fangirls that I'm sure are watching or watched this threat someday... if you want to enter to that crappy bag it's your choice.

Secondly, just what is fact? There are always multiple sides to a story and facts get misconstrued and mixed in with fabrications and rumors. It's very difficult to reach the real "truth of the matter" when dealing with celebrities. In the end, the only people that know the truth are the artists themselves and sometimes even then I wonder.

When I heard more than 10 people saying the same thing I start to believe it as a true fact... as I said before, I don't take my opinions from another forum, I take them from people who are o were involved in music scene, and believe me girl, I know TONS of them.

And well, as I said in a threat somewhere here, I met Taiji "indirectly" years ago, eventhough he will not talk sh*t about X, I heard interesting stuff from their tours in 80's and 90's.

About discussion, you don't discuss, honey, you mock. Discussion - definition - "Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation. A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition." I have yet to see you "discuss" anything.

Bleh, I just have to say thanks to the people that has thanked me for telling them unknown stuff about their favorite band. At least my mocking attitude helped someone here :-)

And lastly, I have yet to see you give any real proof to back up most of your over-the-top statements.

Would any proof be enough for you?? I mean, I'm sure that if I bring someone here to back up my opinion, you will put a scream in the sky arguing it's a lie. Or probably you want me to show up in your house with roadies, live gig owners and musicians that shared stage, backstage and even apartments with band members...

Well, I don't really give a damn if you believe me or not, many people has asked me that forever, and the ones that are in my msn had already seen what I'm saying it's true. I already proved them my "over-the-top statements".

Take care, it was really boring to talk with you

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I can't change you, you can't change me. Dead issue. Could we act like mature people for two seconds and just move on please?

[Lady Blue]

I'm not a defendor of Yoshiki cos I don't ADORE HIM like some. I only recognize what he has and don't make a storm in a glass of water upon his mistakes, cos he's human after all. He pulled the band together and he could've torn it apart whenever he wanted as well, but so the other member could have and so they did... look at Toshi.
I respect the man as a composer and great musician, and I like his piano playing better than his drumming, but I don't think his drumming is that bad. Giving it all for your band isn't crap either, and his injures can prove his devotion even if they meant nothing to others.
You can love him, you can hate him, I dn't care cos I don't do any of those. He's a great man after all, despite his anger management problems, and he's old enough now as to know what he's doing and what he's wronged in the past. Let the man be... Past is past, at least we should expect he can be better now.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Lady Blue, I. love. you. I just wish I had the control to not get flustered over people bad mouthing Yoshiki. Actually, it's not that I mind that people hate him but, I mean, if I hate an artist or a band than I just ignore them and don't post about them. 'Cause the fans of that band/artist deserve to be left in peace to be fans. What I don't like is when it becomes impossible to so much as TALK about the band/artist without getting slammed and/or being personally attacked. That's just my opinion though.

[SaKeVi]

Bleh, so what's the point for start posting the same crap in every forum you'll see??

"he's good, he's this, he's that..."

Now I can see that some people here hate to be taken out from their boring routine of praising paper idols, the same thing happened when I tried to argue in Dir en Grey topic... if I become annoying is just because I play the same game of those users that apparently don't want to accept my posts here.

Ok, Yoshiki is god... all of you will be dissapointed if you know him for true, from now on I will not try to kill your teenage dreams of a perfect guy.

He's a human
He's an assh*le, that's for sure.

Anyways, I'm preparing a surprise, I think all of you will be happy, I know I will be...

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Why it that simply liking someone, or at least not hating their guts, must equal idol worship and SUGOI fangirling?

And besides, if you hate something, think it's dumb, has no value, whatever saying that to a bunch of fans isn't exactly the best way to get your opinion heard. They're FANS, of COURSE they don't wanna hear it, just like anti-fans don't wanna hear fans gush over something.

And sometimes it's not that fans don't agree with some of the things anti-fans say but the way a lot of anti-fans present their opinions makes it bloody impossible not to get riled up.

Fans love an artist in spite of or even because of their faults. It's not that they are blind (granted, some of them are) they just love the artist anyway.

[Lady Blue]

Bleh, so what's the point for start posting the same crap in every forum you'll see??
"he's good, he's this, he's that..."
Now I can see that some people here hate to be taken out from their boring routine of praising paper idols, the same thing happened when I tried to argue in Dir en Grey topic... if I become annoying is just because I play the same game of those users that apparently don't want to accept my posts here.
Ok, Yoshiki is god... all of you will be dissapointed if you know him for true, from now on I will not try to kill your teenage dreams of a perfect guy.
He's an assh*le, that's for sure.
Anyways, I'm preparing a surprise, I think all of you will be happy, I know I will be...

What's the point? There isn't really one. Is just like when you like to watch a movie over and over and over again. No point, really.

he's an ***.. well, that's part of being human, you know? Some people around here that has read your post might just be thinking the same, but that doesn't make you a horrible person. He's quite a bastard, I know, believe me, but well, nobody is perfect and he really isn't much different from some of my own very close friends...

[XwY]

LOL...i met every x members too..XD

[SaKeVi]

LOL...i met every x members too..XD

Oh yeah, welcome: our discussion was 1 month ago; does that just come up to your head? or you thought that through a whole month :-)

Sorry Uncle, I'll not say more curse words :cool:

[Child_prey]

Oi SaKeVi!
I'm still waiting for that surprise you promised us!:p