Anyone tried raw horse meat? [Archive]

neko_girl22

Mar 2, 2004, 15:27

I'm not sure but I heard it is a delicasy of southern Kyushu and that it's quite rare to find it outside of that area. Like, here in Kagoshima there is always raw horse and raw chicken in the supermarkets but not in other prefectures. my Kansai husband told me this.
I wasn't so fond of the raw horse but I really like raw chicken.. but with tori influenza about I've had to give it up :(

what's so bad about eating Horse? It's just another animal, right.
and in my supermarkets here horse isn't expensive at all.

beluga

Mar 2, 2004, 15:39

what's so bad about eating Horse? It's just another animal, right.
and in my supermarkets here horse isn't expensive at all.

Err, you're gonna spark a war here... :relief: I saw some threads argue endlessly on eating whale meat.

Mandylion

Mar 2, 2004, 15:39

ah, yes horse meat. You have us in Tosa (Kochi), in part, to thank for it. You don't see it very often but it is there, and no, I haven't had it.

I trust the Spanish. If they didn't like to eat it in the New World when they were starving, it must not be very good.

beluga

Mar 2, 2004, 15:48

By the way, I just asked my colleague who brought me there... He said the dish is called basashi, 馬刺し　　　

tsukinoko

Mar 3, 2004, 08:21

I had raw horse in Hiroshima once. It was served sliced like sashimi and we just dipped it into shouyu. Tasted delicious! Really! Was very tender and tasty. I would eat it again. It is just another animal. Whale is something different, because most of them are still in danger of being whiped out from the planet.
Mmmh...but I love living horses as well! For riding, of course!

Uncle Frank

Mar 3, 2004, 09:24

Hachiko

Mar 3, 2004, 09:31

When I was younger, I went riding every weekend. I had a new horse that was still a little wild. The owner said to bend over and bite him on the ear when he mis-behaved. I tried it and ended up on the ground. That was my last taste of raw horse!

Frank
:blush:

You're not disabled...are you? I mean, the kick from a horse could definitely make you a basket case, Frank-san... :emblaugh:

kirei_na_me

Mar 3, 2004, 09:37

I've fallen off a horse, been bitten, stepped on, and almost kicked many times. That doesn't mean I'd ever eat one, though... :(

Uncle Frank

Mar 3, 2004, 09:41

They do have a great program here for handicapped riders the helps a lot of people!

Frank

Mandylion

Mar 3, 2004, 09:48

Just so ya know, whale doesn't taste that great either - it is a long story as to how I came to eat it, and I think it is on this (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4664) thread.

beluga

Mar 3, 2004, 09:51

Just so ya know, whale doesn't taste that great either - it is a long story as to how I came to eat it, and I think it is on this (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4664) thread.

Taste like lard or soap? :D OK OK, I will read the thread...

bezz

Mar 3, 2004, 22:06

I'm not sure but I heard it is a delicasy of southern Kyushu and that it's quite rare to find it outside of that area.
Horse meat sashimi is usually considered one of Kumamoto specialities, while there're a few more regions (Koshu, Shinshu) where local people have been having sakura-niku.

http://www.city.kumamoto.kumamoto.jp/kanko/tokusan/photo/basashi.jpg

Hachiko

Mar 4, 2004, 02:29

They do have a great program here for handicapped riders the helps a lot of people!

Frank

A pun on the race "handicap," Frank?

:sing: Race 8, The Frank D. White Memorial Handicap (10,000,000 yen, Gr. I), 6 1/2 furlongs, for fillies and mares...a full field of 16...and away they go!...

:emblaugh:

m477

Mar 29, 2004, 22:11

Hey, I'd try it... is there any place in Tokyo that serves it?

bezz

Mar 30, 2004, 17:00

Hey, I'd try it... is there any place in Tokyo that serves it?There are a couple of restaurants in Tokyo specializing in sakura-niku:

Minoya (http://www.morisita.net/minoya/) (since 1897)
2-19-9, Morishita, Koto-ku, Tokyo
phone: (03)3631-8298

Nakae (http://www.nakaerou.com/~sakuranabe/) (since 1905)
1-9-2, Nihonzutsumi, Taito-ku, Tokyo
phone: (03)3872-5398

m477

Mar 31, 2004, 23:57

Well, I tried the raw horse meat today. I was at a yakitori place in Shibuya with my conversation partner and her friend and I noticed the salarymen at the table next to us were eating some stuff which looked like raw meat. I asked her about it and she said it was horse, so we tried some. I don't see why some people were making such a big deal about it, it really didn't have much taste, it was just chewy. Mostly you just taste the other stuff you put on it, like the ginger and soy sauce.

If you want some really tasty raw meat, I highly recommend Hida beef sushi. It is very tender and has a rich, slightly sweet flavor. I thought it was better than Kobe beef, although I've never tried Kobe beef raw.

beam

Apr 30, 2004, 17:16

i'm from mongolia. i eat horse meat... not often. i see there are quite a few people concerned about cholesterol content in horse meat. no need to worry. horse meat doesn't contain cholesterol...

janimagee

Apr 30, 2004, 18:30

whenever we drive through kumamoto my Japanese husband starts taking about horse meat, tabetai na...... it`s a local delicacy. Me I`m a vegetarian and draw the line at all animals. So if a meat eater chooses horse, that`s fine with me. I especially wonder about raw meat because I`ve never tried it myself. I think if I was a meat eater, at least I would cook it. Anyway, he just loves it.

DaMo

Apr 30, 2004, 20:04

Hey, the French eat horses too. :souka:

yimija

Apr 30, 2004, 21:39

They do have a great program here for handicapped riders the helps a lot of people!

Frank

yeah !!! Superman knows all about it, no ?

yimija

Apr 30, 2004, 21:49

well now,
horse meat is commonly eaten in almost every country in Europe (excepted maybe in England). I know that in Switzerland, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, the eastern countries you find it in a lot of restaurants, as an "entrece" (or steak if you prefer). You'll have it in air-dried meat, too. It's quiet popular, and in Switzerland for instance, you have special butcher shops selling exclusively horse meat (they are not allowed to deal any other meat). In super market, horse meat must be separated from beef, and tags have to specify in larger letters that it is horse meat.
that's it.
bon app騁it !

(I tryed, but did not like it, too sweet I think.) Mind you, in Spain they eat "el toro", just after the corrida, so what ?

playaa

May 1, 2004, 00:26

Eating raw Horse is nasty. Poor horses :(

Lina Inverse

May 1, 2004, 02:59

well now,
horse meat is commonly eaten in almost every country in Europe (excepted maybe in England). I know that in Switzerland, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, the eastern countries you find it in a lot of restaurants, as an "entrece" (or steak if you prefer). You'll have it in air-dried meat, too.[...]
Not true, at least not for Germany. You won't find horse hose meat over here, neither in supermarkets nor in butcher shops or restaurants. Eating horse meat is frowned upon here very much :sick:
Same goes for Italy. In my long years visiting Italy I've never ever seen horse meat being offered in a supermarket or other market, butcher shop or restaurant.

yimija

May 1, 2004, 03:11

Have a stroll down to Bavaria, and the south black forest region. You'll see as for Italy, I did not mention it, but it's the same in the most northern part, the ones that are close along the austrian border-. And if you wish, I'll give you an address of an excellent restaurant (for venetian liver, polenta, pasta, and fish) where they serve horse meat. That's in Venezia. But I agree, the larger part of Italy is not having it.

as for playaa, yes I agree, and I think NO ONE eats raw horse meet. It has to be cook or salted/ air-dryed.

Sacrebelu !!!

Lina Inverse

May 1, 2004, 05:23

Have a stroll down to Bavaria [...]
Just as I said, you generally won't find it in Germany. Bavaria practically is a country of its own, they even call themselves "Free State Bavaria" and have their own language, "Bavarian", which is practically incomprehensible for any normal German :mad:
It belonging to Germany is pretty much only on the paper, it differs a lot from Germany in many things. It always makes me sick when I see some foreign country showing some Bavarian stuff and then claim it would be typical for Germany - nothing could be farther from the truth :auch:
So it doesn't wonder me at at that they're eating horse meat which is frowned upon in Germany... and Northern Italy probably adapted it from them, after it reached Austria.

bossel

May 1, 2004, 07:00

Not true, at least not for Germany. You won't find horse hose meat over here, neither in supermarkets nor in butcher shops or restaurants. Eating horse meat is frowned upon here very much
Actually you can find horse meat not only in Bavaria. I'm in North-Rhine Westphalia & you can find a special butcher in pretty much every city, I think. You wouldn't get it in most supermarkets, though.

In the Netherlands I've seen it in supermarkets, too. There it's actually quite cheap, contrary to Germany (although when my grandma was younger it was considered poor people's food).

I tried horse goulash once or twice & it tastes quite good. I never heard of horse meat eaten raw, though. But pork & beef can be eaten raw, then it's called Mett & Tatar. I eat Mett regularly on bread.

yimija

May 1, 2004, 14:27

well now...

that mak a lot of german horse eating, no ?
and horse goulash is, of course a typical meal in the eastern regions, such as Hungary and others. And they make with lamb or beef as well.

anata no subete wo aishite imasu.

Lina Inverse

May 1, 2004, 15:35

well now...

that mak a lot of german horse eating, no ?
No. You can't conclude from a few limited locations onto the entire country :relief:
As I said, there aren't any horse butchers anywhere here, and you won't find it in supermarkets or restaurants either, as it's quite unpopular here (frowned upon, as I said).

Raw pork mincemeat, called Schweinemett ("Schwein" means "pig"), is indeed quite popular here, I eat it often as well. I've never ever heard the term "Tatar", though... over here it's either "Schweinemett" for pork mincemeat or "Rindermett" for beef mincemeat (which is much less popular than pork mincemeat).

yimija

May 1, 2004, 15:53

Sie knen kein rohe Schweinefleischfleisch essen.
Sie knen kein rohe Pferdefleisch essen.
sie sind beide schlechte f�r Ihre Gesundheit.
entschuldigen Sie meinen Deutschen, es ist nur meine 7e Sprache.

So ? no, well ok I agree, one part of germany is not whole germany, but it tends to prove that every country has it's feeding habbits. And horsemeat is, if not "popular" at least a product well know all over the world.

The native american indians used to eat horse meat. And then horse was their only mean of transportation. Can you immagine yourself eating your own mean of transport ? like a Volkswagen ?? :wave: :cool: :D

Well, life is a happy situation, no ? I think so

Lina Inverse

May 2, 2004, 01:58

Sie knen kein rohe Schweinefleischfleisch essen.
Sie knen kein rohe Pferdefleisch essen.
sie sind beide schlechte f�r Ihre Gesundheit.
entschuldigen Sie meinen Deutschen, es ist nur meine 7e Sprache.
Sie knen kein rohes Schweinefleisch essen. - why two times "Fleisch"?
Sie knen kein rohes Pferdefleisch essen.
Sie sind beide schlecht f�r Ihre Gesundheit. - "schlecht" doesn't stand with a noun here, so it is not altered
Entschuldigen Sie mein Deutsch, es ist nur meine 7. Sprache. - "meinen Deutschen" would mean a person who is German, not the language. For ordinal numbers, simply put a dot after the number, not some letters as in English.
btw, this might be useful for you, here's an English<->German dictionary (http://dict.leo.org/) which also has the pronunciation of the German words as audio files, simply click on the http://dict.leo.org/p.gif after the translated word.

Well, I would fully agree with you there if you were talking about American meat. As you don't have any quality standards there, it's normally of very very poor quality, as they are fattening the animals as much as possible and also pump them up with antibiotics and all sorts of other medicine. This means the meat is not only very fat, but also full of residues from all the medicamentation, so eating this crap raw would indeed be very unhealthy.
In Germany, however, we have very high quality standards, and even much more so for butcher meat. Only medicine which doesn't leave any residues may be used, and only if absolutely neccessary. Meat of overly fattened animals simply won't sell, even the supermarket meat doesn't have that much fat, and the butcher meat generally has next to none. So, there's absolutely no need to be preoccupied if you eat the meat raw.

So ? no, well ok I agree, one part of germany is not whole germany, but it tends to prove that every country has it's feeding habbits. And horsemeat is, if not "popular" at least a product well know all over the world.

The native american indians used to eat horse meat. And then horse was their only mean of transportation. Can you immagine yourself eating your own mean of transport ? like a Volkswagen ?? :wave: :cool: :D

Well, life is a happy situation, no ? I think soYes, eating your only means of transportation isn't quite the smartest decision :relief:

bossel

May 2, 2004, 08:22

No. You can't conclude from a few limited locations onto the entire country :relief:
As I said, there aren't any horse butchers anywhere here, and you won't find it in supermarkets or restaurants either, as it's quite unpopular here (frowned upon, as I said).

Raw pork mincemeat, called Schweinemett ("Schwein" means "pig"), is indeed quite popular here, I eat it often as well. I've never ever heard the term "Tatar", though... over here it's either "Schweinemett" for pork mincemeat or "Rindermett" for beef mincemeat (which is much less popular than pork mincemeat).

Lina, may I ask you where in Germany you live? Just curious.

You are of course right that it is not very popular, but you can find the occasional horse butcher in pretty much every German state. You only have to look for one. There should be between 100 & 200 in Germany, around a dozen in Solingen alone, where eating horse meat seems to be quite normal.

Because of this thread I had a quick look in the internet for information & found that horse meat is indeed exceptional:
Statistically every German eats 53.2 kg of pork & 14.7 kg of beef per year, but only 100 g of horse meat (in Belgium & Luxembourg it's supposed to be 2.5 kg). In Germany 4000 tons of horse meat are produced every year, for which 15,000 horses have to be butchered.

All this reading about it has renewed my appetite. I think, I will give it another try in the near future. Since I like Rheinischen Sauerbraten (Rhenish marinated beef) very much, maybe I try this made from horse meat.
Here are some horse meat recipes (sorry, only German):
http://www.kochen-mit-pferdefleisch.de/

yimija

May 2, 2004, 14:35

well, the good part of communication is that it makes people closer... And now we have less and less matter of confrontation. I'm more than happy about this situation.

Thank you for your german lesson & dictionnary. I must say that I extremely seldom speak or write german and I totally lack of common practice. I have found german grammar "one hell of hell" Why should it be so complicaed to write and speak ? LOL... of course. But you are going to argue that, no, it's not that difficult...

as for the US meat, of course it really stinks and the quality is absolutely YEEEAAAAACH ! For the past few years I did not accept mission in north america and food was one good reason for my refusal to go there.

standards in germany should be approximatively that of switzerland and, of course, probably above the EEC recomandations. but even in this case, I would not eat pork meat without cooking it. It's a question of education & habits. but feel free to do so, of course, I will not interfere with your way of life.

as for horse meat, I can understand the "affective" reason for not eating it (just like dogs or cats). For me the problem is more simple : I dont like it because of it's taste.

I wish you a very pleasant week

yimija

May 15, 2004, 20:20

[i] :relief:

have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?

aaltunn

May 20, 2004, 06:22

have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?

hi everybody ! i am from turkey.horse/donkey meat is strictly banned here...don't ever think of doggies. :souka:
we dont generally eat frogs'legs and snails but export them :wave:
my mother's relatives used to eat hedgehog... i tried several times...
and a lobster or crab like bug in the middle anadolu was popular once(should be cooked alive;unless poisons itself)
ostriches wellcomed ...we got many farms.
at the east part of turkey people dont eat rabbits...dont even feed them
some friends say that tortoise tastes deliciouse ?? :?

i heard weird stories about some camps of street-dog camps. some so crowded and workers don't open the gates while feeding them...just throw the food over the fences.....avoiding a breakthru...
when new dogs catched they did the same thing... the other dogs thinked that FOOD came.......horrible :okashii:

Lina Inverse

May 20, 2004, 07:10

have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?
No, and I certainly won't ever eat such gross stuff :relief:
Frog legs got outlawed sometime in the 80s over here, together with turtle soup.

yimija

May 20, 2004, 14:04

some friends say that tortoise tastes deliciouse ?? :? :
yes they are indeed, but normally it is not allowed to export them, due to ecology & protection of the endangered species, you must eat them on the spot, wher you catch them.

Each country has it's own feeding habits, and that will come from each original traditions and possibility. Food ressources are so different from one place to another.

Budderfly

May 20, 2004, 15:26

I used to own a horse and I rode for years. I wouldn't eat it. It would be like eating a cat or dog. I know some say that all animals are equal, but I've accepted that some animals are bred for food and some are bred for companions.

I've had snake before. tastes like chicken. It wasn't "in" the snake when I ate it. It was prepared quite nicely.

bossel

May 21, 2004, 08:43

Frog legs got outlawed sometime in the 80s over here, together with turtle soup.
Not entirely true.
Sea turtle soup is outlawed, but you can get soup made from freshwater turtles (bred in farms, usually... well, allegedly).
It's forbidden to catch or breed European frogs for commercial purposes, but import (I think, some 17 tons in 2001) & sale is still allowed. Esp. SE Asian frogs have to suffer from this, so many have been caught that some species there are endangered now, too.

Each country has it's own feeding habits, and that will come from each original traditions and possibility. Food ressources are so different from one place to another.
So true. The only stuff I'd consider wrong to eat is from endangered species or from those with a certain self awareness (eg apes [endangered, anyway]).

michi

May 21, 2004, 10:40

Eating horses doesn't bother me, but eating RAW horse meat doesn't seem too healthy...

I've eaten dog meat, which tastes like lamb. It was in a huo guo, a Chinese wok with boiling water on fire sort of thing.

yimija

May 21, 2004, 12:26

Not entirely true.
Sea turtle soup is outlawed, but you can get soup made from freshwater turtles (bred in farms, usually... well, allegedly).
yeap ! but I can tell you, that turtles in a turtle soup are not that many. If you find a can of it, have a look at what's in it, that is if the canner is honest !!!

Eating horses doesn't bother me, but eating RAW horse meat doesn't seem too healthy...
don't worry, that you'll find at your own house, if you swish to do it "the tartare way", certainly not in a restaurant.

Daniel

May 28, 2004, 02:05

I've eaten raw horse meat, in Tokyo. it was alright, but not fantastic. It was, as stated by others, rather chewy, and it also seemed quite fatty. I have eaten horse before, here in Denmark where I live, but that was fried and then you get a sweet taste. The raw horsemeat was a whole other experience. I'd eat it again, but only if it was offered to me. I don't think I'll order it at restaurant, it wasn't anything special.

yimija

May 28, 2004, 02:48

yeap ! but I can tell you, that turtles in a turtle soup are not that many. If you find a can of it, have a look at what's in it, that is if the canner is honest !!!

Yes, I'm not worried, I know that the can is A LOT BIGGER than the turtle....

sharkfinsoup

Jul 21, 2005, 08:55

This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time.

I really love horse meat. I've never had chewy horse meat. It's always really tender, nice and fatty, and better than any european beef. Tomorrow I'm going to Japan again, and am looking forward for the basashi. Here in Finland its really difficult to get horse meat, although it was quite common food 50 years ago (actually most of the finnish horses - a local breed - were eaten in the 40s and 50s, because the country started to industrialize and old fashion working horses were no longer needed). Luckily horse meat is getting more and more popular again. In Sweden I've seen it in guite many supermarkets...

Raw horse meat is really good, and so are horse steaks.

Besides the horse meat, I really love whale, jellyfish (kurage in japanese), and of course shark fins! I still haven't tried turtle soup, but have heard that some places in Tokyo should serve it. Do any of the korean places in Tokyo serve dog meat? I'd really like to try it!

In Japan it's always funny to see how shocked the japanese are when I tell them that reindeer is a very common dish here on the North pole... They can only imagine reindeer pulling Santa's sleigh. :p