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Wouter
May 25, 2004, 00:16
Today a friend of mine sent me a movie fragment of a Japanese television show. I will try to describe what I saw in the most decent languge possible.
There were two guys, gaijin, pornstars I suspect and they were both totally naked. On the stand in the studio were a lot of Japanese girls all looking in disbelief and giggling. Then some of the girls were picked out and they had to do lots of things with those guys, including having sex. It was all shown on television. At first I thought it was very strange because I had never seen anything like it, but when I noticed that these girls were looking all so very young I was totally shocked! :shock:
Is it because of me or are Japanese really so shameless?
Yuka82
May 25, 2004, 03:54
Sex is humane. Everybody does it! And there is nothing to be ashamed of!
dreamer
May 25, 2004, 04:23
Hum...asians usually look younger than they are, especially girls...beside I was told there's not really a law that forbid young girls (above 16) to have sex with older boys...
Anyway, who knows? If these girls wanted to do it in front of a camera it's their problem...if you don't like it, just don't watch it , that's all...
JazzMatic
May 25, 2004, 04:26
Link please! :-)
Hachiko
May 25, 2004, 04:30
Welcome to the fora, JazzMatic.
Wouter, in Japan, sex is very practical. It's common. It's not a Puritan-based society like the U.S.A. There, this type of exploitation is looked with fervent aversion. But that's my brief opinion. It seems the hentai-ness became looked down with the passing of American?Western ideals into the Japanese psyche.
dreamer
May 25, 2004, 04:38
lol there's this thing I'll never understand...you say japanese society is "sex oriented" but I heard they always use some blur to hide the organs, contrary to the us ^^'
Uncle Frank
May 25, 2004, 04:45
Back in the early 70's they waited till 10 at night, and then you got your nudity on TV ! I never could figure out the rules on when & where, WHAT was OK. Somethings were blocked and others were wide open?
Frank
:blush:
Wouter
May 25, 2004, 05:06
Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say I cannot watch it.
I was just shocked because the girls seemed so young and because it was all so obscene. I know Japanese girls look younger than they in fact are, but still there were girls of about 16 or 17 years old. I just cannot imagine something like this happening in the place where I live. I just think it was absolutely obscene. Well maybe I've grown up with a too moral education. I can't blame myself for it.
Rules, Frank? The rules are that once they know you figured it out, they'd change it within seconds after that to make you start all over again :D
jeisan
May 25, 2004, 05:33
could it have been the lose your viginity show where the guys were virgins and all the girls were porn stars and if they won then they (the guy) got to lose his virginity to the pornstar of his choice?
Golgo_13
May 25, 2004, 05:33
Has anyone actually seen this on Japanese TV? What is the name of the show? They would never show the entire "act" clearly on TV anyway.
It wasn't too long ago that Paris Hilton's sex video was circulating around the internet. She looked pretty young from what I heard.
Keiichi
May 25, 2004, 05:37
I'm sure it wasn't a regular tv show... probably a clip of a video or something or adult channel.
RockLee
May 25, 2004, 05:37
Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say I cannot watch it.
hehehehe....yeah yeah...were on to ya Wout !!! :D :p
Golgo_13
May 25, 2004, 05:44
I'm sure it wasn't a regular tv show... probably a clip of a video or something or adult channel.
Of course it wasn't! I'm glad you concurred.
Even the vulgar Japanese have their limits. :D
They have pretty strict "Waisetsubutsu Chinretsuzai" (explicit exposure of genitalia) laws. You couldn't get a magazine like Penthouse at a newsstand. Anything that do show explicit material are most likely illegal and black-marketed, of which there is much.
Yep, Golgo is right....even the most vulgar of the J-folks have their limits... :D
RockLee
May 25, 2004, 06:27
could it have been the lose your viginity show where the guys were virgins and all the girls were porn stars and if they won then they (the guy) got to lose his virginity to the pornstar of his choice?
Ok I saw it too :souka: ...It's like this...ONLY women in the public...at the front some girls S***ng a couple o'guys d****....and the winner gets to **** the guy at the front and everyone GAPING like OHHHHH !!!..you get the pic ?? :hey:
Mandylion
May 25, 2004, 09:17
The darker side of Japan does have a fairly big Lolita complex, that much is sure. It is one of my larger problems with Japan. It is really sad when some high school girls living in the busier parts of large cities think being harassed by dirty old men is just part of growing up and something they take in stride.
I agree with you that is was obscene - perhaps the group mentality for some extends even into the bedroom...
Lina Inverse
May 25, 2004, 09:17
I wouldn't be surprised hearing such a prudish and tight-assed opinion from an American, but from a Belgian!? Good grief... now I am thorougly shocked! :shock:
Contrary to what the (Christian) church and other braindead institutions want to make you believe, sex is something completely natural, and there's absolutely nothing wrong about it - but you should always think of using contraceptives (condoms etc). :haihai:
There's also nothing wrong with the age of the girls.
Maciamo
May 25, 2004, 09:21
I seriously doubt that this is a regular Japanese TV programme. Japanese TV (at least the free channels) never shows sex or nudity. Even in adds for shampoo, etc, they will always hide the sensitive areas, while they don't in Europe (at least not the breast). There is no porn at all (even late at night) on regular channels.
Wouter,, would you happen to know which channel that comes from ? (any logo on the screen ?)
kirei_na_me
May 25, 2004, 09:24
But a lot of them aren't harassed by 'dirty old men', though, are they? A lot of them are willing to have sex with them so they can get money or gifts in exchange? There is that thing called enjo-kosai, right?
Speaking of enjo-kosai, I saw a program on TechTV called "Wired for Sex", and one show was about Japan. They mentioned in that program that enjo-kosai was not just common for teenage girls/young single women, but married women too. I didn't realize that. This was in Tokyo, though.
Here's the link:
http://www.techtv.com/wiredforsex/shownotes/story/0,24330,3446243,00.html
Note the "Erotic Entertainment" part...
Maciamo
May 25, 2004, 09:27
They have pretty strict "Waisetsubutsu Chinretsuzai" (explicit exposure of genitalia) laws. You couldn't get a magazine like Penthouse at a newsstand. Anything that do show explicit material are most likely illegal and black-marketed, of which there is much.
I guess you are not talking about Japan here. Mags like penthouse and ozens of others are sold in any convenience store.
Yuka82
May 25, 2004, 09:34
Japanese girls fool around probably as much as American girls do, except Japanese girls oftentimes are offered money and gifts by Japanese "boyfriends". As for enjo-kosai, unlike hookers in the U.S., Japanese hookers usually don't spend their "hard-earned" money on drugs, many managed to save enough to open a boutique or coffee shop. Look, prostitution is not morally right but it is a quick way to make some money for sure.
Buddha Smoker
May 25, 2004, 09:45
I seriously doubt that this is a regular Japanese TV programme. Japanese TV (at least the free channels) never shows sex or nudity. Even in adds for shampoo, etc, they will always hide the sensitive areas, while they don't in Europe (at least not the breast). There is no porn at all (even late at night) on regular channels.
Wouter,, would you happen to know which channel that comes from ? (any logo on the screen ?)
Maciamo is right....it had to be a video or something. No way that would be on regular TV. I've never seen anything like that and I got cable. I've been here close to 10 years and still never seen more than the friendly breast show, etc.
Yuka82
May 25, 2004, 09:51
The darker side of Japan does have a fairly big Lolita complex, that much is sure. It is one of my larger problems with Japan.
Yeah you're right! That's also my problem with the U.S.. Look at Britney Spears, Christiana Arguilera, Pink and Beyoncee. All of them dressed like whores!
kirei_na_me
May 25, 2004, 10:01
Yeah you're right! That's also my problem with the U.S.. Look at Britney Spears, Christiana Arguilera, Pink and Beyoncee. All of them dressed like whores!
No kidding! There are even elementary school age girls trying to dress like all of them... :worried:
Of course, then I saw a show on TV Japan that was talking about magazines for grade 5 girls that showed them how to apply makeup.
I think it's universal...
TwistedMac
May 25, 2004, 10:26
I have nothing to add on this subject, no substantial opinion and nothing really comes to mind..
it's a very odd feeling.. I really feel like all that can be said on the topic has been said and i have to resort to talking about the fact that there is nothing to talk about...
ehmm... i guess i could say... go porn!
*this post was brought to you by sinfull sweden inc.*
Mandylion
May 25, 2004, 10:40
But a lot of them aren't harassed by 'dirty old men', though, are they? A lot of them are willing to have sex with them so they can get money or gifts in exchange? There is that thing called enjo-kosai, right?
I think it is a case of more of one, less of the other when we hear these kinds of stories about sex in Japan.
What I newspaper read where the young lady said sexual harassment was part of growing up in the city was a quote taken from a girl they just stopped on the street.
I don't know if we can really trust the enjo-kosai numbers either. On one hand you are asking people to fess up to bad behavior, which might keep the numbers low, and on the other hand you have a tendancy to sensationalize sex stories - they tend to grow with each retelling to where we get to the stage that all Japanese young girls are dating for money.
But regardless of if every girl in Ginza is booked solid for months, does that make enjo-kosai is okay? Even if being approached by dirty old men is not part of growing up in the big city, but it happens often enough to result in some girls having a nonchalant attitude towards the practice, I'd say society is turning too blind an eye
Mandylion
May 25, 2004, 15:46
Thought I would just throw this out there (I was actually looking for stuff for this (http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8789) thread).
On the whole enjo-kosai and lolita complex thing.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fl20040427zg.htm
Think Hachiko posted it a few days ago though...
Buddha Smoker
May 25, 2004, 15:51
Of course, then I saw a show on TV Japan that was talking about magazines for grade 5 girls that showed them how to apply makeup.
I think it's universal...
I think basically all girls are going to some school are learning that stuff from somewhere. You forgot to add...how many shoes can I buy or do I need?...LOL...that's pretty universal too.
Wouter
May 25, 2004, 17:14
I wouldn't be surprised hearing such a prudish and tight-assed opinion from an American, but from a Belgian!? Good grief... now I am thorougly shocked! :shock:
Contrary to what the (Christian) church and other braindead institutions want to make you believe, sex is something completely natural, and there's absolutely nothing wrong about it - but you should always think of using contraceptives (condoms etc). :haihai:
There's also nothing wrong with the age of the girls.
This has nothing to do with me being a prude, on the contrary...
As you said sex is something completely natural, so I fully agree with you.
But it was just the way it was exploited and revealed so shamelessly in front of so many young people, it made me think it was absolutely obscene and even outrageous.
I really think sex is ok and very natural, but I think it should be restricted to private matters.
As for regular porn material, I think it's cheap and frankly I don't care people watch it and enjoy it, but this video fragment was much different from a regular porn video. It really showed me a dark side of the Japanese society.
Buddha Smoker
May 25, 2004, 18:32
This has nothing to do with me being a prude, on the contrary...
As you said sex is something completely natural, so I fully agree with you.
But it was just the way it was exploited and revealed so shamelessly in front of so many young people, it made me think it was absolutely obscene and even outrageous.
I really think sex is ok and very natural, but I think it should be restricted to private matters.
As for regular porn material, I think it's cheap and frankly I don't care people watch it and enjoy it, but this video fragment was much different from a regular porn video. It really showed me a dark side of the Japanese society.
Or if you take the more positive outlook----you could say that the Japanese are more open with their sexuality (spell?) which is what I think. I agree that sex is more of a restricted or private matter but also, it is common to have a discussion about sexual activities in Japan than in America. I mean it can sometimes be brought up per say at the dinner table than in the States (don't take that as obscene discussion but sexuality is not exactly hidden in Japan).
That's my two yen.
Brooker
May 25, 2004, 19:07
I never really saw much of the kinky side of Japan while I was there. I don't know how I could have missed it. Well I guess I did see guys checking out porn in front of everyone on trains, love hotels, and hostesses standing on corners trying to lure men, but none of it struck me as being all that strange at the time. I didn't realize it was quite as prevalent as everyone here is making it sound.
Buddha Smoker
May 25, 2004, 20:45
I never really saw much of the kinky side of Japan while I was there. I don't know how I could have missed it. Well I guess I did see guys checking out porn in front of everyone on trains, love hotels, and hostesses standing on corners trying to lure men, but none of it struck me as being all that strange at the time. I didn't realize it was quite as prevalent as everyone here is making it sound.
But sometimes people turn a blind eye (not saying that in a bad way) even if they don't mean to.
ashuri2
May 25, 2004, 23:23
This has nothing to do with me being a prude, on the contrary...
As you said sex is something completely natural, so I fully agree with you.
But it was just the way it was exploited and revealed so shamelessly in front of so many young people, it made me think it was absolutely obscene and even outrageous.
I really think sex is ok and very natural, but I think it should be restricted to private matters.
As for regular porn material, I think it's cheap and frankly I don't care people watch it and enjoy it, but this video fragment was much different from a regular porn video. It really showed me a dark side of the Japanese society.
i have to agree with you wouter. i'm not a prude and generaly have no problem with porn (heck, i help some of my guy friends find hentai sites) and the like, but, my goodness, there's limits. 16-17 year-old girls screwing random gaijin guys in front of a camera? no, there's something a little disturbing about that...sex is fine, but there should be limits to the exploitation if it
dreamer
May 26, 2004, 00:07
Other countries, other laws...
I don't think there's anything to say about this...just look at the rael sect for exemple
there's lot of people who goe there just to have sex with 16-17 YO girls...
anyway I think it's fine as long as both agree to do it.
Wouter
May 26, 2004, 02:02
Other countries, other laws...
there's lot of people who goe there just to have sex with 16-17 YO girls...
anyway I think it's fine as long as both agree to do it.
You should also know under what kind of surcomstances they both agree. Many times these young girls sell their bodies just to earn some money that they later spend on brand clothes or bags. Of course they are totally free to do with their money whatever they want, but the way they earn it is just not right. There is just a lack of any minimal morality in these girls and who else than the education system is to blame for that? And with education system I mean everything from parents to school to the society in which they live.
Lina Inverse
May 26, 2004, 02:42
You should also know under what kind of surcomstances they both agree. Many times these young girls sell their bodies just to earn some money that they later spend on brand clothes or bags. Of course they are totally free to do with their money whatever they want, but the way they earn it is just not right. There is just a lack of any minimal morality in these girls and who else than the education system is to blame for that? And with education system I mean everything from parents to school to the society in which they live.
No one is to blame there, because there is nothing to blame! There is absolutely no lack of morality either - it's certainly not a must-have! Just because you had to suffer through a highly moralic education, this doesn't mean by far that these girls have to share the same bad fate. You are in absolutely no position to decide about the morality of these girls! If they decide out of free choice to earn money this way for stylish clothes, funky bags, whatoever else, they have every right to do so! They are they absolutely only ones who has the right to decide what they do, not some moralizer guys who try to force their faulty morals upon others.
Wouter
May 26, 2004, 03:24
No one is to blame there, because there is nothing to blame! There is absolutely no lack of morality either - it's certainly not a must-have! Just because you had to suffer through a highly moralic education, this doesn't mean by far that these girls have to share the same bad fate. You are in absolutely no position to decide about the morality of these girls! If they decide out of free choice to earn money this way for stylish clothes, funky bags, whatoever else, they have every right to do so! They are they absolutely only ones who has the right to decide what they do, not some moralizer guys who try to force their faulty morals upon others.
jeezs man calm down a bit!!
First of all I have never said that I'm the one who is going to force morality on these girls.
Second I have just spoken with a Japanese girl (university student) and she fully agrees with me. To say it with her own words: "oh yes. even junior high school girls, just around 15years, sell their body to middle aged men to get money" "i think the reason why junior high school or high school students wanna get money is to buy bland like Channel, Gucci,... crazy world" So if you think that's normal, then there is something seriously wrong with you too!
And by the way, I am very grateful for the moral education I received from my parents and my society. I absolutely don't consider it a bad fate!
And ideed I am in no position to decide about the morality of these girls, but I am in every position to show my opinion about it!
Yuka82
May 26, 2004, 03:51
there's limits. 16-17 year-old girls screwing random gaijin guys in front of a camera? no, there's something a little disturbing about that...sex is fine, but there should be limits to the exploitation if it
Hello! It's called Adult Entertainment. What do we expect? A bunch of good-looking guys and girls dancing and singing with church music? These are porn stars who are making money to pay their rents and electricity bills. They look young to you but they have to be 18+ in order to perform on TV and movie, last time I checked.
Ok I saw it too ...It's like this...ONLY women in the public...at the front some girls S***ng a couple o'guys d****....and the winner gets to **** the guy at the front and everyone GAPING like OHHHHH !!!..you get the pic ??
Relax! It's not like a group of Japanese high school students chasing foreigners down the street just to s**k their d**** and the others are gaspingng OHHH! YOU WISH!!!!!
Let me repeat myself - this is just adult entertainment, a very competitive industry in Japan. I am not saying porn is good or bad. But in order to survive in the industry, producers have to come up with outrageous stuff to attract viewers.
By the way, why are so many gaijins so fascinated by Japanese girls' sex lives?
Why are Japanese girls always protraited as inscrutable sex objects (e.g. eating burgers make them f**k more) in the English reads of Japan? BECAUSE SEX SELLS!
Finally, thank you for everybody's response(s) to this threads, inculding Mandylion and Wouter who started it. It's good to know other people's opinions.
dreamer
May 26, 2004, 03:57
Hum....let's stop arguing...everyone has is/her own point of view and if it continues it'll get out of control, so maybe we should all stop here?
kirei_na_me
May 26, 2004, 04:03
By the way, why are so many gaijins so fascinated by Japanese girls' sex lives?
Why are Japanese girls always protraited as inscrutable sex objects (e.g. eating burgers make them f**k more) in the English reads of Japan? BECAUSE SEX SELLS!
Good questions, Yuka! :cool:
Back to first topic : I have seen the video Wouter talked about. It can be found on several websites (I won't put link here, it is not the purpose).
Yes, it is TV show. Not so common, but I think that it is very close to kind of Chippendales show. Here women can touch man and more. About the girls, well, as it was said, Japanese girls look younger than they actually are, that's why you thought they are young girls. Even some look like that, I don't think that something like that can happen on Japanese TV. The girl who finally make love with one of the man won at JunKenPo game against other girls, and she really really looked Happy !!
Anyway, I found this video very funny (and ... interesting ^^). Girls are so crazy on this video that you can't hold laugh !
I know this kind of show exists in Paris, and undoubtly manywhere else, the only differense is that it is not shown on French TV ... unfortunatly :(
I agree with Wouter, this video is shocking !!!! BECAUSE man are only objects !!!!!!!!! haha. Ok, anyone to talk about the man/object condition on Porn videos ? :p
RockLee
May 26, 2004, 04:42
I think if it were Americans no one would have turned their heads :-) ....It's not only the Japanese who are this way :blush: (seen many sites with GIRLparties...men(strippers,pornstars) who f*** and women s*** their lollyp*p (yeah yeah even with whipped cream LOL :D ) :relief: ..... so let's not generalize here....pr0n is UNIVERSAL boys and girls!!!.... ^_^....stereotypes....GOD I HATE THEM !!!
kirei_na_me
May 26, 2004, 04:45
Yep, Rock. This goes on everywhere.
Golgo_13
May 26, 2004, 05:04
I think if it were Americans no one would have turned their heads :-) ....It's not only the Japanese who are this way :blush: (seen many sites with GIRLparties...men(strippers,pornstars) who f*** and women s*** their lollyp*p (yeah yeah even with whipped cream LOL :D ) :relief: ..... so let's not generalize here....pr0n is UNIVERSAL boys and girls!!!.... ^_^....stereotypes....GOD I HATE THEM !!!
Thank you Rock!
Go Rock! The Rock! Go Rock Lee! :box:
Wouter
May 26, 2004, 05:11
This is my first topic on this board and it's already going wrong.
My apologies to those I have offended, it was not my intention.
I just wanted to make a contribution to the board by starting what seemed to me an interesting and discussable topic.
Anyway, I don't consider Japanese girls only as sex objects, I respect them as much as anyone else.
This being said, I think it's maybe best to put an end to this unless we can discuss about it in a cultured way.
Lina Inverse
May 26, 2004, 05:23
I think if it were Americans no one would have turned their heads :-) ....It's not only the Japanese who are this way :blush: (seen many sites with GIRLparties...men(strippers,pornstars) who f*** and women s*** their lollyp*p (yeah yeah even with whipped cream LOL :D ) :relief: ..... so let's not generalize here....pr0n is UNIVERSAL boys and girls!!!.... ^_^....stereotypes....GOD I HATE THEM !!!
You rock, Rock! :bravo: :cool:
That's it exactly.
Buddha Smoker
May 26, 2004, 06:48
I think this topic has had enough unless it spirils in a less argumentive direction :wave:
mdchachi
May 26, 2004, 07:16
Well to summarize, that show was almost certainly porn, not regular TV (even though it may have looked like it). So it doesn't make much sense to even discuss it. We all know what happens on pornos.
Japanese TV (at least the free channels) never shows sex or nudity. Even in adds for shampoo, etc, they will always hide the sensitive areas, while they don't in Europe (at least not the breast). There is no porn at all (even late at night) on regular channels.
They do show breasts on Japanese late night tv. At least they used to. Don't tell me they stopped this wonderful tradition!
Buddha Smoker
May 26, 2004, 07:59
Well to summarize, that show was almost certainly porn, not regular TV (even though it may have looked like it). So it doesn't make much sense to even discuss it. We all know what happens on pornos.
They do show breasts on Japanese late night tv. At least they used to. Don't tell me they stopped this wonderful tradition!
Yep, I've officially seen it and it is not regular TV. They would never show something like that on TV :D so it's a porno movie/spoof...whatever.
And they still have the wonderful tradition still going on.....I just miss it :okashii: .....
ashuri2
May 27, 2004, 07:31
Yep, I've officially seen it and it is not regular TV. They would never show something like that on TV :D so it's a porno movie/spoof...whatever.
And they still have the wonderful tradition still going on.....I just miss it :okashii: .....
<lol> sigh...porn itself is usually funny, even when its serious, i can imagine a spoof... :blush:
justin
May 31, 2004, 12:29
I think I am the only person on Japan Forum who hasn't seen this video! Anyway, I think before anyone can judge another culture he or she should take a look at themselves. Your golden pillar of morality that you placed yourself and your culture can be just a cover for something you don't want everyone to see.
Buddha Smoker
May 31, 2004, 13:03
I think I am the only person on Japan Forum who hasn't seen this video! Anyway, I think before anyone can judge another culture he or she should take a look at themselves. Your golden pillar of morality that you placed yourself and your culture can be just a cover for something you don't want everyone to see.
True...very true. But, this is just a typical porno movie that you would find just about anywhere.
Keiichi
May 31, 2004, 13:15
I haven't seen it. :souka: :D
Buddha Smoker
May 31, 2004, 13:22
I haven't seen it. :souka: :D
If you want the link then PM me...I got it from someone else and will gladly pass it around. I would post the link but I don't want to offend anybody.
Mandylion
May 31, 2004, 13:30
I would post the link but I don't want to offend anybody.
Smart thinkin' :relief:
Keiichi
May 31, 2004, 14:30
Okay, I saw it. :souka: That's probably from a paid adult channel or a video. I highly doubt they'll show that stuff on broadcasted tv. Nothing really whacked happened. I wouldn't judge much from it.
Buddha Smoker
May 31, 2004, 15:18
Okay, I saw it. :souka: That's probably from a paid adult channel or a video. I highly doubt they'll show that stuff on broadcasted tv. Nothing really whacked happened. I wouldn't judge much from it.
Exactly, my point....it was nothing special
Yep! As it was said, it is just normal p0rn video ;) I found it funny though
Wouter
May 31, 2004, 18:57
yeah, I agree it was nothing special.
I was just shocked because I thought the girls were so young and because I thought it was broadcastezd on TV, but now it seems I was wrong.
So I don't care about it anymore...
Well I've found another "shocking" video about Japanese sex mania, if you're interested to see it, just let me know and I'll post the link.
Maybe dont post the link, it can be shocking for some. :p
Buddha Smoker
May 31, 2004, 21:45
yeah, I agree it was nothing special.
I was just shocked because I thought the girls were so young and because I thought it was broadcastezd on TV, but now it seems I was wrong.
So I don't care about it anymore...
Well I've found another "shocking" video about Japanese sex mania, if you're interested to see it, just let me know and I'll post the link.
Just PM the link....but if it is really gross or something then I'll pass.
Thanks for the link RL....maybe this stuff just doesn't shock me. This was set-up too but it looks a bit more believable. There are laws in Japan after all:D but the Japanese are more open with their sexuality compared to other countries.
Also, what's with all the porn talk? Porn is Porn is Porn...or something like that....I would think that everybody should expect just about anything from this stuff...after all, not all the people are the same :wave:
Lina Inverse
Jun 1, 2004, 10:06
yeah, I agree it was nothing special.
I was just shocked because I thought the girls were so young and because I thought it was broadcastezd on TV, but now it seems I was wrong.
So I don't care about it anymore...
Well I've found another "shocking" video about Japanese sex mania, if you're interested to see it, just let me know and I'll post the link.
Just PM me the link and I'll see.
I seriously doubt though that it's any shocking, just like the first was quite harmless as well.
This is my first topic on this board and it's already going wrong.
My apologies to those I have offended, it was not my intention.
I just wanted to make a contribution to the board by starting what seemed to me an interesting and discussable topic. Let me just tell you one thing : BRAVISSIMO !!! NO, this topic is NOT going wrong. And for a first intervention, it's a master one ! Look at all the uproar you have committed ! It's great because it's exactly what is expected from a topic. You got everybody boilling !! And don't worry about the so called "offended" ones, they will not remeber it the next day, that is if you have offended anyone. So, keep up the good work.
Anyway, I don't consider Japanese girls only as sex objects, I respect them as much as anyone else.This being said, I think it's maybe best to put an end to this unless we can discuss about it in a cultured way. Look, japanese girls are not more sex objects than european girls, black afro girls or Inuit virgins! We all know that, and I also know quiet a few asian males who are really trying to run around any blond swedish or german girls. That doesn't make blonds sex objects... OR? Maybe it's not a good one....
So ? are all the girls sex objects, without consideration of race, color and ethnical background ? Well, it's only in a man's mind. Surely woman has not being created to be considered as such. So, guys, beware of your thoughts.
Now for the real subject, I would just say that I have seen the "incriminated" video, accidentally a few days ago, but I am unable to remember where. If I have time I'll go look for it and I'll give it to everyone to see and appreciate(not like RAVEN who won't tell...LOLO) . I believe this is porno material, and I dont think it was on regular TV. As for the girls, I mean you do not know for sure that there was an audience. Do you ? That was one thing that striked me immediately. I thought it was fake audience.You can reproduce anything you want : put half a dozen actors in a room with a green or blue background then add an audience (of excited young girls , shot at a singer's arrival in a show place, anywhere in Japan) in the background later. This is done quiet easily with the right material. So maybe all that is just "phony". Yes the "lucky" girls that were in the action looked quiet young, but all that is the basic of all woman : look young. And that can be achieved soooooo easily on TV. For me they were all well paid porno "star" and did their job so well that you believed it was real.
Isn't that what movies are supposed to do ? Make you dream ? Or have nightmares, whichever comes first......
Nevertheless, it was an excellent topic, and most of the participants wished they had created this one !!!
Buddha Smoker
Jun 1, 2004, 19:20
Now for the real subject, I would just say that I have seen the "incriminated" video, accidentally a few days ago, but I am unable to remember where.
How can you accidently stumble onto something like that?...Just kidding :D
If you want the link then I have it from the person that PMed it to me..just let me know. I have two actually. :wave: :okashii:
If you want the link then I have it from the person that PMed it to me..just let me know. I have two actually. :wave: :okashii:
Be careful, Buddha Smoker ask you your credit card number before he gives you the link. If he says it is to unlock the link don't believe him !!
I have the free (less expensive) links ;) *j/k*
Lol, after that, no one will ask for them :D
I'll go look for it and I'll give it to everyone to see and appreciate(not like RAVEN who won't tell...LOLO) Who is this mean Raven who doesn't want to give the link to people requesting for it? :p :D :D
Buddha Smoker
Jun 1, 2004, 20:52
Be careful, Buddha Smoker ask you your credit card number before he gives you the link. If he says it is to unlock the link don't believe him !!
I have the free (less expensive) links ;) *j/k*
Lol, after that, no one will ask for them :D
Who is this mean Raven who doesn't want to give the link to people requesting for it? :p :D :D
I'll be careful :D Maybe Raven is your evil brother? :D
Also, sorry I haven't been online...I've been busy with everything, hopefully tomorrow or the next day. :wave:
Golgo_13
Jun 2, 2004, 03:42
Well I've found another "shocking" video about Japanese sex mania, if you're interested to see it, just let me know and I'll post the link.
NO thanks, we are not.
You can look at shocking sex videos from your own country.
Buddha Smoker
Jun 2, 2004, 10:01
NO thanks, we are not.
You can look at shocking sex videos from your own country.
This stuff doesn't need to be posted here...just PM or email. It is better that way...for all parties involved.
ashuri2
Jun 3, 2004, 08:00
wouldn't want this to become a therad for the posting of j-porn. <lol> :balloon:
I doubt that admin would allow any thread to become that. ;-)
Buddha Smoker
Jun 3, 2004, 08:26
wouldn't want this to become a therad for the posting of j-porn. <lol> :balloon:
I agree because once it starts then it doesn't stop and then the whole place will go down or turn into a porn site :D
kirei_na_me
Jun 3, 2004, 08:47
Yeah, I just had to move one of those earlier this morning. Too bad y'all missed it... :p
You're right. I really need access to high quality, free porn. j/k :D :D :D :D
Buddha Smoker
Jun 3, 2004, 14:49
You're right. I really need access to high quality, free porn. j/k :D :D :D :D
LOL..now that is funny...
someone mentioned about the age of the girls, now I dont know if its just me but picking ages is not my forte. I've been out on the street and had a classmate say 'hi' and she looked about 18 (only 16), but then again I'd never seen her out of the school uniform. Young women 17-24 are impossible for me to guess. But then again I've had people thinking I'm everything from 16 to 25 :D
Lina Inverse
Jun 4, 2004, 02:22
You're right. I really need access to high quality, free porn. j/k :D :D :D :D
PM me and ye shalt receive what thou seekest :D
I've seen the second video now as well, it's really funny as hell :D :D
It's even more interesting than the first one since it isn't in some secluded studio but in public places like a super market and a bus :bravo:
The girls are very cute as well :cool:
Go watch it if you haven't already! (I can provide the link to anyone interested)
ashuri2
Jun 4, 2004, 14:00
PM me and ye shalt receive what thou seekest :D
I've seen the second video now as well, it's really funny as hell :D :D
It's even more interesting than the first one since it isn't in some secluded studio but in public places like a super market and a bus :bravo:
The girls are very cute as well :cool:
Go watch it if you haven't already! (I can provide the link to anyone interested)
the second video was indeed interesting...to say the least :eek: but i was wondering how they managed to do those things in public *cough*. i doubt that kinda stuff would be randomly allowed on the streets...i think?
*i'm so confused*
Lina Inverse
Jun 5, 2004, 04:02
the second video was indeed interesting...to say the least :eek: but i was wondering how they managed to do those things in public *cough*. i doubt that kinda stuff would be randomly allowed on the streets...i think?
*i'm so confused*
Well, I think as long as they don't do it all the time, it will be tolerated.
btw: I've sent you the link for the first video as requested. Check your PM.
Buddha Smoker
Jun 5, 2004, 17:58
Well, I think as long as they don't do it all the time, it will be tolerated.
btw: I've sent you the link for the first video as requested. Check your PM.
It was still set-up...but more believable than the first. :D Trust me that stuff doesn't happen in public like that.
It was still set-up...but more believable than the first. :D Trust me that stuff doesn't happen in public like that.
Haha, I think so too. I am really really surprise that then were able to shot such a thing
ashuri2
Jun 6, 2004, 00:00
the first one wasn't nearly as bad as i thought it would be, the girls don't really look that young, and it's a game show- typical porn, i'm thinking. the second video was the one that raised my eyebrow, but only cause it was in public. i can see how they shot the supermarket one, by you know, renting the place or something, but they one on the subway? what'd they do, rent an entire car? hmmm...
Lina Inverse
Jun 6, 2004, 00:15
Well, probably they paid the owner of the supermarket and the cablecar company so they could film there... but the people's reactions seem rather genuine, and also they censored all the people's faces (except for the main actors) which they wouldn't have done if it would've been hired people.
Keiichi
Jun 6, 2004, 02:42
What about the possibiliy that this is an adult club that only women are allowed in with fictional stage sets?
The way I see the problem with little girls wanting to be like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and etc, its the same with these kids shooting people trying to be like what the rappers rap about and the videos they make. I honestly think it shouldn't be called the celebrities fault because of it.. Because the parents should play a bigger role in the upbringing of their offspring.
Parental influence can be bigger then any other influence presented to them.
Also in Japan, I never saw any tv shows like this but, everything is blurred and contrary to U.S. they sell blurred porn magazines/hentai in any store, just out on the shelfs like every other magazine, it isn't abnormal to see guys walking around or on trains looking at porn.
Buddha Smoker
Jun 6, 2004, 09:16
The way I see the problem with little girls wanting to be like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and etc, its the same with these kids shooting people trying to be like what the rappers rap about and the videos they make. I honestly think it shouldn't be called the celebrities fault because of it.. Because the parents should play a bigger role in the upbringing of their offspring.
Parental influence can be bigger then any other influence presented to them.
Also in Japan, I never saw any tv shows like this but, everything is blurred and contrary to U.S. they sell blurred porn magazines/hentai in any store, just out on the shelfs like every other magazine, it isn't abnormal to see guys walking around or on trains looking at porn.
Yes, you are right but the second one was set-up or something. Trust me it would not happen in Japan. :D
That must have been one heck of a shock for the people who were in the store when the people were doing their "thing." I haven't seen the video, but I bet a few people had to pick up their jaws from off the floor.
mycosmos
Jun 22, 2004, 15:39
Can someone send me a link for theese videos, because I cannot understand what yu are talking about...
Golgo_13
Jun 23, 2004, 04:45
Please send it to him by PM and not post those links here.
I haven't seen the videos yet (I already PMed for the links though) but I really need them, you make these seem so interesting...
Don't get me wrong, I DO like porn, but this time I'm moved by my curiosity.
See? That's what you get for censoring things...
Buddha Smoker
Jun 24, 2004, 13:07
I still had the PM from the person that sent me the link. I sent it to those that requested it, but if more want to see it then just PM me.
Buddha S. (the holder of porn :D )
Keiichi
Jun 24, 2004, 16:57
Same here, I have the PMed links too, I sent it to one person who asked for it, so I'm holding it too.
Back to first topic : I have seen the video Wouter talked about. It can be found on several websites (I won't put link here, it is not the purpose).
Yes, it is TV show. Not so common, but I think that it is very close to kind of Chippendales show. Here women can touch man and more. About the girls, well, as it was said, Japanese girls look younger than they actually are, that's why you thought they are young girls. Even some look like that, I don't think that something like that can happen on Japanese TV. The girl who finally make love with one of the man won at JunKenPo game against other girls, and she really really looked Happy !!
Anyway, I found this video very funny (and ... interesting ^^). Girls are so crazy on this video that you can't hold laugh !
I know this kind of show exists in Paris, and undoubtly manywhere else, the only differense is that it is not shown on French TV ... unfortunatly :(
I agree with Wouter, this video is shocking !!!! BECAUSE man are only objects !!!!!!!!! haha. Ok, anyone to talk about the man/object condition on Porn videos ? :p
You want perhaps spoken about the Moulin-Rouge?
Know that there is not any emission of television on our public chains which is pornographic. The Moulin-Rouge is reserved for a public informed and old of more than 18 years.
What do you know really France?
mycosmos
Jun 24, 2004, 23:02
Ok, I've seen both videos.
These are just porn movies.
I can say I wasn't shocked at all and that's why:
-I have seen Madonna naked in the streets in '90s
-I have seen a show in Italian TV, before 15 years, called "Tutti Frutti", where simple people were contest in stripping.
-I have seen people in Swedish Big Brother stripping and f***ing live, in front of the camera.
-I have seen a video in some US' strip club for women, where the customers (female between 20-45) where blowj****ing the stripper one after another.
-I have seen tourists from every nation f***ing in the streets of Greek islands.
-I have seen videos with group sex in the streets, just next to the Carnival parade in Rio-Brazil.
-I have seen public bjs in spingbreak in the US.
It is not any different with Japan.... Sex "paradox" are everywhere. When someone pays for something, there is someone how will shell it...Our civilization cannot overcome our basic instinct (with any variation of expression)!!!
I've finally seen both videos and I agree with Mycosmos.
Moreover, I've seen a lot of porn with exactly the same content (not that lot :$) but from different countries. Has anyone seen the Girls Gone Wild videos? They are quite the same thing.
And about the girls' ages, they don't look that young. In fact, they look totally "legal" to me (and quite good looking too btw).
Golgo_13
Jun 26, 2004, 05:52
Keep that **** off the forum
Keep that **** off the forum
I agree with you Golgo 13; Don't put THAT on this forum!
link
a battle royale porn spoof? haha. that sounds interesting to say the least.
You want perhaps spoken about the Moulin-Rouge?
Know that there is not any emission of television on our public chains which is pornographic. The Moulin-Rouge is reserved for a public informed and old of more than 18 years.
What do you know really France?
I don't understand your last sentence, but yes, I know France :p
I didn't meant to talk about Moulin-Rouge, because I don't know about it enough to talk about. It's a cabaret I think, so nothing with porn.
I was talking about something totaly different, and as I mentioned, close to Chippendales.
Sorry if what I said shocked you. :sorry: :-)
justin
Jun 29, 2004, 11:27
Who would have thought two videos would lead to such an active topic? I saw the frist video and I didn't find it shocking. I think people tend to over react to these things. As for the second video, send me the link and I'm probably going to say the same thing about it.
I don't understand your last sentence, but yes, I know France :p
I didn't meant to talk about Moulin-Rouge, because I don't know about it enough to talk about. It's a cabaret I think, so nothing with porn.
I was talking about something totaly different, and as I mentioned, close to Chippendales.
Sorry if what I said shocked you. :sorry: :-)
I forgive you.
I find damage to popularize the sex on TV.
The world must have skidded :( what do you understand about it?
Wo! what channel does this play on?
Lina Inverse
Jul 5, 2004, 05:57
Wo! what channel does this play on?
No idea... but I guess it's probably on some pay-per-view channel.
Sillage
Jul 6, 2004, 09:33
I think I have seen that video clip and I must say this...
I just love girls from japan, and after waching that clip I whanted to change place with the guys on stage :-) ,,,
And if people wanna have sex on tv, in public, on movies,,, on whatefer infront of whoever, let them do it, if you dont like it, do not look...
Easy rule,,,
Keep on rocking......... :disco:
Mandylion
Jul 6, 2004, 09:56
Folks!! Keep posting links to porn and see how fast we shut this thread down.
Thank you to the responsible people keeping this limited to PM.
Sillage
Jul 6, 2004, 09:57
Sorry,, just changit,,,
Mandylion
Jul 6, 2004, 10:21
Sillage - If you take the time to read the whole thread, you will see the posting of pron links has happened and has been dealt with several times already. I wasn't picking on you in particular. Sorry if it looked that way. Your post just had the misfortune of coming before mine. :bow:
Sillage
Jul 6, 2004, 12:27
None taken Mandylion, I understand your meaning and suport it.
I was reading the first 2 section of this thread I think, before posting my...
Oh well,, Time to sleep:sleep:
kewpie1
Jul 6, 2004, 14:03
"but I heard they always use some blur to hide the organs, contrary to the us "
Umm, kind of like the lovely pictures coming out of the Iraqi prisons?
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