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    Nuts in Japanese food ?


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    Hello everyone !

    I'm going to Japan in a week ! I just can't wait !

    I have this question for you guys:
    I'm allergic to nuts (and peanuts). I've been wondering if there are a lot of Japanese foods that either have nuts of peanuts in them.. That includes foods that might have been fried in peanut oils.. I'd really like to sample as much as possible the Japanese cuisine and i'd be really sad to wind up eating McDonalds all the time there because that's the only thing i'm sure that doesn't contain nuts..

    And while we're at it, would anyone here know how to say in Japanese "I'm allergic to nuts, can i eat this ? "

    Thanks !
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    Mark San!

    Peanuts are not a food that is native to Japan or Japanese cuisine, so there is not a lot of it at all. You do not need to worry about it.

    "I'm allergic to nuts, can i eat this ?"

    is

    "Watashi wa peanuts no arerugi desu. Kore o taberaremasu ka?"

    (Pronounce peanuts just like in English.)

    What kinds of nuts are you allergic to?
    Tada yori, takai mono wa nai.
    "There is no such thing as a free lunch."
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    Nuts & nut oils are quite rare in Japanese foods. Do chestnuts count? That's the only one that is somewhat common (but primarily in desserts).

    You might want to carry something written. It will be difficult to verbally convey the seriousness of your allergy. Plus saying allergy in Japanese so that you will be understood will be difficult if you're not familiar with Japanese. arerugi is kind of a tongue twister if you can't speak the language.
    If nobody has come up with anything, I'll come back and write it down for you tomorrow. Right now I gotta jump in the ofuro and then go to bed!
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    My computer does not support writing in kanji. Can someone write that out in kanji, so he can print it right off the screen...?
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    I have a question also ..
    i will visit a japanese resturant so what do suggest me to eat??but not uncooked??

    and i am heiji the one who leaft the from from 4 months or more...
    i miss u
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    Wow ! Thanks Buntaro San!

    I'll print that out in 3-4 copies and have them plastified just to make sure i don't lose that precious sentence !

    Can pretty much everyone read Romanji ? If someone could write it down in Kanji, that would be really great. That way, i'd be totally foolproof, and that would make my trip a LOT more enjoyable knowing my chances of dying over there would be kept at a minimum

    Oh, and to answer your question, i'm mostly allergic to peanuts. Other nuts like cashews also make me sick (but not as violently as peanuts). Almonds seem to be ok though.. I guess i'll skip deserts over there (wich is no big problem, i'm used to doing this here also. We have nuts EVERYWHERE. You really have to be careful.

    p.s. I'm not sure if my computer can read Kanji fonts (maybe it does, i've installed some font packs last week..). Maybe a Jpeg would be better ? I'm not sure we can post images on this forum, but if not, i'd really appreciate it if someone could send one to mlepage@golemlabs.com.

    Domo Arigato in advance !
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    Buntaro's suggestion is understandable but not quite right. It says "I am a peanut allergy." May I suggest:

    私はナッツのアレルギがあります。
    Watashi wa nuts no arerugi ga arimasu.
    I have an allergy to nuts.

    これにピーナッツやナッツから出来た植物油などが入っていますか。
    kore ni peanuts ya nuts kara dekita shokubutsuyuu nado ga haitte imasu ka?
    Does this contain peanuts, nut-based vegetable oil, etc.?


    It's best to print it out in kana/kanji. Everybody can read romaji but usually 2 to 10 times slower than normal.

    If you need an image of the text, let me know.
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    Hi everybody!

    Regarding the "arerugi desu / ga arimasu / o motte imasu" debate, feel free to look at this thread

    http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread...7957#post57957

    The arerugi discussion starts about half-way down the page, and goes on for at least two pages.
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    Hi Markalark!

    I have a friend who is also VERY allergic to peanuts. It sounds funny, but it is actually very serious. I know how you feel.
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    What about sesame? That's pretty common in a lot of Japanese food.

    Also, when I went earlier this year I noticed walnuts in foods in ways that I'd never found in previous visits. If you are also allergic to walnuts you might want to mention that one as well. It doesn't occur alot, but I definitely noticed it where I'd just NEVER seen them in the past.
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    Originally Posted by Buntaro
    Hi everybody!

    Regarding the "arerugi desu / ga arimasu / o motte imasu" debate, feel free to look at this thread

    http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread...7957#post57957

    The arerugi discussion starts about half-way down the page, and goes on for at least two pages.
    That thread is too long so I'm not going to contribute there. To my (admittedly non-native) ear, the watashi ha X desu form is more commonly used when there is some interaction going on or it's in some context that everybody is aware of. Like,

    Hey, dude, what's your assignment on?
    I'm allergies.

    Did you order tea or coffee?
    I'm coffee.

    [You're a medical student at a conference and you're representing your specialty and go to introduce yourself to someone]
    I'm nut allergies.

    To just come out of the blue and say, "I'm nut allergies" sounds not quite as natural to me.
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    Well, as many of you know, I know not much about the Japanese language, but maybe the way they say it translates into "I am allergy". I say that, because the Japanese people I'm around have always said "I am allergy" instead of saying, "I'm allergic" or something like that. It has always been an ongoing joke with us.
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    Kirei_na_me San,

    Thanks for the info!
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    Sesame seeds are ok. I eat them all the time. Good thing too, since almost all the delicious sushi i've eaten has some in them.

    I think i read somewhere that Peanuts are a legume, not actually a nut. weird.

    Oh, and it seems that my computer IS able to read kanji after all. Ah, the marvels of technology Anyone could write down in kanji just the phrase "can i eat this?"

    Thanks for your help, you're all great !
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    Originally Posted by Buntaro
    Kirei_na_me San,

    Thanks for the info!
    You're welcome, but as den4 would say, "I know nothing!". I really don't.
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    Do you want to say "may I eat this?" Or are you going to be asking them to make a judgment as to whether or not you are able to eat something (based on your allergy)? Otherwise it won't make much sense -- the response would be how the heck should I know?
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    i see your point.

    It's just to folow up on the "i'm allergic to nuts" sign i'll be sporting around like a badge

    (ME) Hi ! i'm allergic to nuts !
    (Japanese guy) Great, good for you
    (Me) *Thinks to himself* Man i wish i could ask him if i can eat this

    But yeah, i just reread what you told me earlier, and it makes perfect sense. never mind No i just hope i'll understand his response to my statement and that he doesn't ask me to be more specific.

    (ME) Hi ! Are there Nuts in this ?
    (Japanese guy) What kind of nuts exactly are you talking about ?
    (Me) *stares blankly in space, points at sign* -Hi ! Are there Nuts in this ?
    (Japanese Guy) Man... this is going nowhere
    (ME) *dies of starvation within 3 days*



    Thanks again my friends !
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    Good luck. Maybe in a couple years this will be less of a danger:
    http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&id=252254
    Amazing that some people get so sick from peanut odors several feet away. What a nightmare.

    Article about food allergies in Japan:
    http://verlag.hanshuber.com/ezm/ACI/...I015050214.pdf
    Fortunately peanuts are on the mandatory labelling list. So if you buy anything in a convenience or grocery store it should state on the label whether or not it contains peanuts. (Of course it will be in Japanese, tho.)
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    I've been wondering. When Japanese food is fried (say like Tempura), are you guys using vegetable oil ? Sesame oil ? Peanut oil ?

    /last post about peanuts, i'll stop bugging you guys after this one
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    As far as I know, vegetable oil is used. I always use vegetable oil when frying tempura, karage, tonkatsu, etc. I'm pretty sure vegetable oil, not peanut oil, is normally used.

    **EDIT** Please forgive me, for I have sinned. Actually, sesame oil is used for some traditional Tokyo style tempura. Sesame oil has a very low smoking point, though, which made me think it was very undesirable for deep-frying.
    Last edited by kirei_na_me; Mar 24, 2004 at 04:13.
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    Here the list of commonly used oils in Japan in order of most-used to least. You'll notice that peanut oil doesn't make the top 9. But that doesn't mean it's not used. I would be especially wary of Chinese/SE Asian restaurants and certain dessert items.

    http://www.oil.or.jp/bn/html/2/tokushu2.html
    In case this link bites the dust, I'll list them here:
    • Rape Seed Oil (Canola)
    • Soybean Oil
    • Corn Oil
    • Rice Bran Oil
    • Safflower Oil
    • Sesame Oil
    • Cotton Seed Oil
    • Sunflower Oil
    • Olive Oil
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    Thanks a lot for posting that, mdchachi.
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    Smile A Note on the Language

    Buntaro's suggestion is understandable but not quite right. It says "I am a peanut allergy." May I suggest:
    私はナッツのアレルギがあります。
    Watashi wa nuts no arerugi ga arimasu.
    I have an allergy to nuts.
    これにピーナッツやナッツから出来た植物油などが入っていますか 。
    kore ni peanuts ya nuts kara dekita shokubutsuyuu nado ga haitte imasu ka?
    Does this contain peanuts, nut-based vegetable oil, etc.?
    It's best to print it out in kana/kanji. Everybody can read romaji but usually 2 to 10 times slower than normal.
    If you need an image of the text, let me know.
    mdchachiさん, I am also learning the language. Here is a note about your comment: 私はXです does not necessarily mean "I'm X". "は" is a reference particle, some say "topic particle", meaning something like "as for X", or, "in the case of X". The version you provided of the sentence is not wrong, but Buntaroさん's original version is not wrong either. I believe you could also simply say "ピーナツのアレルギーです(piinatsu/peanuts no arerugii desu) and it would still make sense and be easily understood.
    Japanese is very different in some ways than English, and it seems that equating word-for-word or phrase-for-phrase does not work well (as in the current example of "XはYです"="X is Y". Sometimes it works, but often it does not. Now, I've only been studying Japanese in-depth and pretty much nonstop for just over one year, but basically what I'm saying is, keep an open mind.
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    If you're interested in the topic marker, you don't need to revive the eight-years-dead thread. There are tons of threads discussing about the issue in the Learning Japanese section in this forum, just like the following ones.

    http://www.jref.com/forum/learning-j...ntences-46448/
    STILL confused about は and が; example sentences
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    mdchachi hasn't been here for a year and a half, anyway.
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