What do you think about Arab people ??

[scorpion da black]

Obviously you have a reason to hate them, Israel that is, because they did you nothing good, but thats just one aspect of it, while you suffered the consequences of their deeds, many did not, so i'd rather hear it from Your mouth than from someone who's like thousands of miles away complaining in a country that hasn't been in a conflict ever since the II. WW.
While you do have a reason to feel overhelming hatred towards them, we don't. In my opinion conflicts should be broken down to countries and not religions. So imo we should view it like X country waging a war with Y country, not X country that belongs to a certain religion and Y country that belongs to a different one. I hope a day will come when religion will be like a hobby or something, commonly practised, but at the same time restricted to moral and sacral issues.

thanks for your reply bro...
well that shows me how open minded you are..
yet if you remember some of my previous posts i was understanding enough to say that if peace was honestly achievable i would be ready to compromise and forget the past, forgive the sins...and move on..live side by side...

if peace is honestly a target worked to achieve...

[centrajapan]

I have been to UAE, Syria, Lebanon. In Scandinavia there are quite a few people from Morroco, Palestine, Iraq. Most Muslims are from Turkey, Bosnia and Pakistan though and they are not Arabs but from a Muslim culural background. What can I say? I went to school with them. Grew up with them. Some were my friends others I didn't have too much in common with. We watched football and at girls and talked trash.

Lebanon had a very Med feel to it. Very nice. I also visited a Palestinian refugee camp. I have never seen so many guns in my entire life. Syria was very different. Nice too but more different than what I am used to. More of a "different world"

It is easy to achieve peace in the Middle East. Israel pulls back to 1967 borders or merge Israel and Palestine into 1 country but Israel and USA don't want peace. They are fine with oppression and conflict management.

[scorpion da black]

centrajapan that is right... the US feeds the anger and hate instead of solving it.

i see how automatic weapons flod into my country ...there is almost two guns per person here. and it is mostly american .....

my family has weapons ...nearly every family in tripoli have a small arsenal in their house :P....and everyone past 12 knows how to use guns...

the fued will never die i think...
back in summer 2006 i was readying my AK47 because we all thought that battle would move forward and reach north...but luckly it stopped.

[Liver Shot]

I'm not going to touch the Israel-Palestine discussion anymore. I've made my opinion known, so I'm going to move on. I'm not a scholar on Middle East politics, and the probability of anyone else here being one is slim to none as well.

Back to what do you think of Arabs: well, I think they get a bad rap in a lot of places, much to my disgust. Most people who don't like Arabs have either: 1) met only one or two, and those one or two happened to be bad people or; 2) never met an Arab person in their entire life, and their entire knowledge of them is what the biased news media tells them to think. Ignorance breeds hatred, and their is A LOT of ignorance in this world.

Another, only peripherally related thing I'd like to add, is how annoying it is when I hear someone call any Muslim an Arab, especially if they are Pakistani. I hear that one all the time. Someone will refer to a Pakistani as "some Arab guy." I mean, wow... talk about having no idea about geography or anthropology.

In an attempt to lighten up this thread... what are some top travel destinations in the Middle East JREFers would like to visit? In no particular order, some places I must go before I croak are:

Beirut
Damascus
Baghdad
Cairo
Tel Aviv
Jerusalem
Istanbul
Sanaa

[scorpion da black]

great choices of visit liver shot

[RegDunlap]

I have nothing against Arab people. I've met some good ones, some bad ones, just like anyone else.

I am not a big fan of Arabic culture, to be honest. The emphasis on tribalism, that kind of thing. It tends to be pretty mysogynistic (sp) as well.

[pugtm]

I am not sure what people expected on this thread its not as if anyone will come out and say bad stuff even if god forbid they thought them. What were you expecting by starting a thread like this?

[Mars Man]

What were you expecting by starting a thread like this?

I think the first lines of the very first post, the OP①, as we usually call it (and the person who starts a thread), answer that question very well. Most unfortunately, too many didn't feel the need to give consideration to the spirit that can be seen in that OP, as quoted below :

Hi to all ...

I don't know why everybody thinks that arabic people are still useing Camels ?


or think that arabic people are dump !

SO ... as an arabic boy I want to make everybody understand us well

I Will Answer Any Thing That Anybody Ask About

There are a few on JREF who do not seem capable of expanding their horizons without some direct link back to the instability in the Middle East due to so many various things. This thread also, should have very little embedding in that regards towards trying to explain what they think of Arab peoples.

I, therefore, hope to look into educational processes that might help play a part in describing Arab peoples.

①　Arabic Boy has not been here since June of this year, it is important to take note of...some have failed on that point too.

[scorpion da black]

i wish people here will abide by the basics that mars man put here.

[包龙星]

I have four arabic friends studying in my university. They are very honesty and friendly. I was deeply touched by their strong faith of Muslim.Arab is a specialy part of human culture,so are we.

[Hezam]

I have four arabic friends studying in my university. They are very honesty and friendly. I was deeply touched by their strong faith of Muslim.Arab is a specialy part of human culture,so are we.

thank you very much dear 包龙星

as you know the attatchments between Arabs and Chinese are very old and very good than the western ...

Chinese are peaceful people and friendly ..

Before 10 years, Chinese handlers were in my country ( Yemen )..they were very friendly

I was talking to them in Arabic when I was 4 age and they answer me !!

They were able to speak Arabic ^^

thanks again

Hezam ^^

[Dakota]

I have no problem with Arabians, course some of the views they have i don’t agree with, treating women as lesser really isn't a thing i can get along with in many countries. I will ever go Egypt or turkey for sure with the horror stories you hear there. Especially in Egypt! you've got an armed security guard with you at all times and your not allowed to walk around with fewer than 3 people with you. Not much of a holiday or cultural experience i don’t think!
The whole 'evil Arab' thing has arisen now for the 9/11 and London bombings, personally i believe 9/11's and London bombings conspiracy theories, the government are evil in my opinion. American & British troops are just as bad as the Arabians both sides rape and murder for there own enjoyment but at the end of the day, its not to say the entire population of that countries like that, just the select individuals.
I don't stereotype and try me best not to judge, Arabians are the same as everyone else we're all human intelligence and things like that doesn’t differ to what nationality you are, its due to environmental factors. its the extremeists i dont like

[scorpion da black]

thanks for sharing Dakota
and what you view arabs by is fair,
but what rapes are you talking about??
would arabs rape their own people? the war is happening in Arabian lands and forign troops invading the country are theones who rape...kill etc...

not that i am saying there isnt extremists....they made our image ugly in the eyes of all the world...i hate them as well.
plus where did you hear horror stories about turkey and eygpt??
that is non sense...visit thos countries and have the time of your life...turkish and egyption happened to be some of the most hospatible people i ever met.

[Liver Shot]

I imagine she is talking about the rapes that happen in some Arab countries. There was a recent news story about a woman who was gang-raped by seven Saudi men which got HER in trouble with the law. She got in trouble for being raped, how insane! You can find the news story on the NY Times, or any other major newspaper. They won't let me post a link here, but you can find it on google easily. Type in "Saudi woman gang raped." I've unfortunately heard about these things happening in Muslim (non-Arab) countries as well, namely Pakistan.

As far as conspiracy theories about 9/11... those are all complete farces. They have been debunked and no credible sources are found to support such conspiracy theories.

[scorpion da black]

as i said i never said bad people dont exist...but we all hate criminlas.
when people refer to arabs they are refering to an entire race...not the criminals and terrorists and rapists from that race....unless, some one thinks the whole race is terrorists, rapists and criminals

[Liver Shot]

as i said i never said bad people dont exist...but we all hate criminlas.
when people refer to arabs they are refering to an entire race...not the criminals and terrorists and rapists from that race....unless, some one thinks the whole race is terrorists, rapists and criminals

I definitely agree with this. Anyone who stereotypes a whole race as bad (or good) is being very naive.

[scorpion da black]

thank you liver shot san

[Mavrek]

The Arabs are just like other humans,We see good and bad going along in every society.I will give Arabic people a plus point that they are more generous than the others.

[Chi65]

Depends, some yes, some no.
I made both experiences, but stick to the good ones in general.

But I am also with Liver Shot etc.:

". . . . Anyone who stereotypes a whole race as bad (or good) is being very naive."

[scorpion da black]

thank you mavrek...

i bet you can experience that first hand if you were my guest

[Elizabeth]

I don't like the common practice, as I understand it through the Western media, of homosexual sex between men in Saudi Arabia (and other Muslim-dominated countries) due to lack of normal, healthy access to females. Because there are no available women around I have heard Arab men turn to other males, usually boys, or effeminate men, to have sex. And I do think love reduced to violent domination probably is seen as some sort of accepted social norm. The core of their Arab masculinity in a hyper-masculine culture is centered into hurting other by violence and hate.

Vigilant restrictions on interactions between sexes may promote not only sexual frustration but a heavy sense of brotherhood superiority through lack of knowledge and understanding of others. But like I said, it's the news reports. I want to know the broader experience -- both the joy and the pain in the Arab heritage.

Big disclaimer : (This ISN"T a rant about 9/11 or terrorism ! Of course it doesn't logically follow that the relatively rare acts of violence against Americans are the primary release of that bottled-up sexual rage...Although a clan feeling may be a strong basis into which a cell mentality can spring. If you add the shame and secrecy of sexual relations between the male members of the clan, there is a solid group ripe for manipulation.)

[Jncocontrol]

I have nothing against them in general. I have heard that most Arab's have ill will against american's for whatever reason, I guess more then likly it's about the stereotypical stuff: Fat, smelly, Greedy, Ignorant, power-hungry american pigs. Or around those lines, Which kinda gets under my skins a bit.
But i personally don't have nothing against Arabians directly.

[Hezam]

I don't like the common practice, as I understand it through the Western media, of homosexual sex between men in Saudi Arabia (and other Muslim-dominated countries) due to lack of normal, healthy access to females. Because there are no available women around I have heard Arab men turn to other males, usually boys, or effeminate men, to have sex. And I do think love reduced to violent domination probably is seen as some sort of accepted social norm. The core of their Arab masculinity in a hyper-masculine culture is centered into hurting other by violence and hate.

Oh Lol ! It's not that no available women It's because the Dowry is too expensive here !!
Also men don't have sex with each other but it's kind of love relationship without sex,But Yes there are gay everywhere secretly...I saw many girly boys here,they look more handsome than women ! The Money makes men look like women ><

Vigilant restrictions on interactions between sexes may promote not only sexual frustration but a heavy sense of brotherhood superiority through lack of knowledge and understanding of others. But like I said, it's the news reports. I want to know the broader experience -- both the joy and the pain in the Arab heritage.

Well the problem is the expensive dowry,Gay here make relationship secretly,it's common here by the way !

Big disclaimer : (This ISN"T a rant about 9/11 or terrorism ! Of course it doesn't logically follow that the relatively rare acts of violence against Americans are the primary release of that bottled-up sexual rage...Although a clan feeling may be a strong basis into which a cell mentality can spring. If you add the shame and secrecy of sexual relations between the male members of the clan, there is a solid group ripe for manipulation.)

Yes,People here hate homosexual witch is considered a natural relationship in America so it's almost not about homosexual it self but as American behavior !

By the way in this during,a gay boy just walked in front of my door

I have nothing against them in general. I have heard that most Arab's have ill will against american's for whatever reason, I guess more then likly it's about the stereotypical stuff: Fat, smelly, Greedy, Ignorant, power-hungry american pigs. Or around those lines, Which kinda gets under my skins a bit.
But i personally don't have nothing against Arabians directly.

It's very good of you to think like that,The problem is political not about Americans as people.
If you visit Saudi Arabia or Yemen or any Arabic country people will welcome you warmly,Seriously people here says "We hate Americans" but if they met an american person they rush over to shake his hand and welcome him and they want to talk in any case
The hate is a natural result of the American politicy so don't take it seriously...
I wish i can meet American people and speak to them,But really the americans have that idea says "Arab hate Americans" so No,This is not true.
If anyone has a brother or father who came to Hail Rally in the last month please ask him about Saudi people

I am very angry that the American government is desroying the relationship between Arab-Muslims and the Westerners especially the American.

As i know,Americans people are lazy if it comes to "read about people-cultures"
Now they are trying to know about Chinese witch is not important as much as the middle east where America and europe get the oil..etc.

[RolandtheHeadless]

"Well the problem is the expensive dowry. . . ." - Hezam

I think you must mean bride price. A dowry is money or property that a bride brings to the marriage, as is or used to be the custom in some European countries. It's interesting that their and your customs are opposite.

Could it be that Arabs value women more than Europeans do after all? In Arabia you have to purchase a woman at a high price; the European fathers pay you to take their daughters off their hands. lol

"Yes,People here hate homosexual witch is considered a natural relationship in America so it's almost not about homosexual it self but as American behavior !"

America sometimes gets more blame or credit than it deserves. A good number of people in the US don't accept homosexuality as natural. Only a few of our states will recognize a homosexual marriage. Gays are not allowed to serve openly in our armed forces. Canada and European forces allow homosexuals to serve.

"By the way in this during,a gay boy just walked in front of my door"

Did you wink at him?

[Hezam]

the European fathers pay you to take their daughters off their hands. lol

huh ? really ? It's like in India,The woman pay to her husban's family and she buy everythings !! witch is the opposite here,the Man pay the woman and her father,the man work and buy everything,the woman grow up the children and does homeworks only...No need to work at all.
That's why women here are lazy,they go to shopping,visiting friends,go to gradens (places for families) and stay infront of the merror 24 hours =_=
Most families have Housemaids.

In Yemen,the man has to buy alot of gold for the woman,If he can't then "No girl dude" Lol
Here in Saudi Arabia the man has to buy a new house for his wife and him only + Car with driver + Housemaid. *sigh*

Did you wink at him?

By the way,If you wink at a girl here she will slap you by her shoe