じ Which one is "Ji" ぢ　

Elgin · Nov 29, 2003, 09:38

For some reason on my hiragana chart it says じ and ぢ = ji but isn't one di?　

SacredBlue · Nov 29, 2003, 09:40

Nope, they're actually both ji.

Elgin · Nov 29, 2003, 09:41

so how do I know which one to use?

SacredBlue · Nov 29, 2003, 09:45

I'd say stick to じ because I see that one used most. Either that or you'll just have to remember which one to use for which words.

Elgin · Nov 29, 2003, 09:47

I see, I'll ask my teacher too see if theres a way to find out witch one to use

SacredBlue · Nov 29, 2003, 09:54

Oh yea..Probably not a big problem unless you're trying to translate or read romaji.

Elizabeth · Nov 29, 2003, 11:39

Actually I believe the second one was given as "di" in an arachaic romanization system (Nihonshiki?) and that character is no longer used much if at all so it isn't really an issue. Where do you get these answers SacredBlue? ;)

SacredBlue · Nov 29, 2003, 11:50

Never been a fan of Romaji...but I only speak from experience because it's all I can trust. Of course I'm far from perfect

Oh and I have a few textbooks I looked at that also have ぢ listed as a ji syllable.

Mandylion · Nov 29, 2003, 12:47

I have had folks tell me the ち” sounds more like zi. But almost no one uses it anymore. Granted this exchange was at an enkai, so take it for what it is worth...

Elizabeth · Nov 29, 2003, 12:57

Only it is after all entered as "di" on a Japanese keyboard, SacredBlue, based on a former pronunciation/romanization scheme in the same way (I believe) that "wa" was once upon a time "ha" or "o" and "wo."

bakadesu · Dec 1, 2003, 11:02

I still see "wo" used as the d.o. marker.

The Kunrei system still does funny things like "tu," "si," "ti," etc.

Eisuke · Dec 1, 2003, 18:39

The character じ is most often used in kana writing. ぢ is used rarely. Like for example in the word ちぢむ which means to shrink.
I hope this information helped you.

Elizabeth · Dec 2, 2003, 01:54

The same situation comes up with with "zu"　（ず） as well, which can be taken from both "tsu" （つ）(the old fashioned way as in enpitsu and tsuzukeru (?) and some others I can't remember at the moment -- and which I don't even know how to display the kana for ;)) and "su”（す）.

Arashi · Dec 3, 2003, 14:56

Yeah, (づ) and (ぢ) are usually used either within a word that reduplicates the (つ) or (ち) sounds, also in a compound kanji word where the end of one character changes the beginning sound of the next.

Elizabeth · Dec 3, 2003, 16:11

Although they evidentally are not integral to too many kanji compounds anymore...and where is zuu (tentenつ) on the keyboard? ;)

Nov 29, 2003, 09:38	#1
Elgin Regular Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Posts: 736	じ Which one is "Ji" ぢ　 For some reason on my hiragana chart it says じ and ぢ = ji but isn't one di?

Nov 29, 2003, 11:39	#7
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,502	Actually I believe the second one was given as "di" in an arachaic romanization system (Nihonshiki?) and that character is no longer used much if at all so it isn't really an issue. Where do you get these answers SacredBlue? ;) __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Nov 29, 2003, 12:47	#9
Mandylion Omnipotence personified Join Date: Mar 15, 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,121	I have had folks tell me the ち” sounds more like zi. But almost no one uses it anymore. Granted this exchange was at an enkai, so take it for what it is worth... __________________ "It's a dn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." - Andrew Jackson**

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bakadesu Regular Member Join Date: Oct 14, 2003 Location: Russian-American Posts: 49	I still see "wo" used as the d.o. marker. The Kunrei system still does funny things like "tu," "si," "ti," etc. __________________ Kita, mita, katta!

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Nov 29, 2003, 09:40	#2
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	Nope, they're actually both ji.

Nov 29, 2003, 09:41	#3
Elgin Regular Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Posts: 736	so how do I know which one to use?

Nov 29, 2003, 09:45	#4
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	I'd say stick to じ because I see that one used most. Either that or you'll just have to remember which one to use for which words.

Nov 29, 2003, 09:47	#5
Elgin Regular Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Posts: 736	I see, I'll ask my teacher too see if theres a way to find out witch one to use

Nov 29, 2003, 09:54	#6
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	Oh yea..Probably not a big problem unless you're trying to translate or read romaji.

Nov 29, 2003, 11:50	#8
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	Never been a fan of Romaji...but I only speak from experience because it's all I can trust. Of course I'm far from perfect Oh and I have a few textbooks I looked at that also have ぢ listed as a ji syllable.

Nov 29, 2003, 12:57	#10
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,502	Only it is after all entered as "di" on a Japanese keyboard, SacredBlue, based on a former pronunciation/romanization scheme in the same way (I believe) that "wa" was once upon a time "ha" or "o" and "wo."

Dec 1, 2003, 18:39	#12
Eisuke Regular Member Join Date: Nov 28, 2003 Age: 24 Posts: 255	The character じ is most often used in kana writing. ぢ is used rarely. Like for example in the word ちぢむ which means to shrink. I hope this information helped you.

Dec 2, 2003, 01:54	#13
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,502	The same situation comes up with with "zu"　（ず） as well, which can be taken from both "tsu" （つ）(the old fashioned way as in enpitsu and tsuzukeru (?) and some others I can't remember at the moment -- and which I don't even know how to display the kana for ;)) and "su”（す）.

Dec 3, 2003, 14:56	#14
Arashi Regular Member Join Date: Nov 4, 2003 Posts: 35	Yeah, (づ) and (ぢ) are usually used either within a word that reduplicates the (つ) or (ち) sounds, also in a compound kanji word where the end of one character changes the beginning sound of the next.

Dec 3, 2003, 16:11	#15
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,502	Although they evidentally are not integral to too many kanji compounds anymore...and where is zuu (tentenつ) on the keyboard? ;)