what are those weird Japanese expressions?

Maze · Jul 16, 2004, 01:06

Could someone help bme translating this sentence: 教務準備室であんな事やそんな事、ゆっくりたっぷりさしつさされつ.... It said to me some time ago by my Japanese friend and I tried to search for explanation of word: さしつさされつ, but I couldn't find it anywhere...
If someone could help, I'd very grateful... Thank you.

Elizabeth · Jul 16, 2004, 01:36

差しつ差されつ【さしつさされつ】 (adv,n) exchanging sake cups

Maze · Jul 16, 2004, 01:48

But what does the whole sentence mean?

PaulTB · Jul 16, 2004, 03:31

Originally Posted by Maze

But what does the whole sentence mean?

I can't tell who's getting up to stuff with who but's it's a definate ラブラブ関係

I think it'll be more fun for me if I let Elizabeth translate your sentence

/me runs away and hides.

Maze · Jul 16, 2004, 04:59

Eh? Why ラブラブ関係 ?

Golgo_13 · Jul 16, 2004, 06:38

I never understood why some people respond with an "Okage sama de" when I ask someone how his spouse or family member is. In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you."

"____ no okage de" roughly means "with so and so's help . . ."

I didn't do anything to make them well . . .

PaulTB · Jul 16, 2004, 07:00

Originally Posted by Maze

あんな事やそんな事

That's usually slang for various things that a couple might get up to together. Anything between a quick cuddle and stuff that maybe I shouldn't post on this board.

A slightly more explicit version is あんな事、そんな事、こんな事 - often heard in anime. (Put the first letter of each three bits together in order ...)

I can't say what it actually meant for certain without more context but, especially with the たっぷりゆっくり, it has a certain 'ring' to it.

================================================== =

Originally Posted by Golgo_13

I never understood why some people respond with an "Okage sama de" when I ask someone how his spouse or family member is. In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you."

"____ no okage de" roughly means "with so and so's help . . ."

I didn't do anything to make them well . . .

It's just the local version of "Thanks for asking."

But aren't you in the wrong thread?

Maze · Jul 16, 2004, 07:11

So, now I'm getting the idea what he was talking about.....

What should I do.......

Golgo_13 · Jul 16, 2004, 08:07

Originally Posted by Golgo_13

In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you."

"It's just the local version of 'Thanks for asking.' "

Thanks for reiterating what I'd already said.

The whole point was why they say it.

Elizabeth · Jul 16, 2004, 08:28

That's usually slang for various things that a couple might get up to together. Anything between a quick cuddle and stuff that maybe I shouldn't post on this board.

A slightly more explicit version is あんな事、そんな事、こんな事 - often heard in anime. (Put the first letter of each three bits together in order ...)

I have heard that about asoko and ano as well, standing for something only two people know about. Even to the point of being told those were their primary meanings and they were off limits in ordinary speech....

PaulTB · Jul 16, 2004, 11:55

Originally Posted by Golgo_13

The whole point was why they say it.

"Thanks for asking" is a culturally equivalent phrase commonly said in English and close in literal translation. If you can see 'why they say it' in English then there should be no mystery about why they say it in Japanese.

That was my whole point. Except for the one about you appearing from nowhere in the middle of a thread and posting something with no relation to the earlier posts.

Golgo_13 · Jul 16, 2004, 12:09

Originally Posted by PaulTB

"Thanks for asking" is a culturally equivalent phrase commonly said in English and close in literal translation. If you can see 'why they say it' in English then there should be no mystery about why they say it in Japanese..

I already know what the phrase means (this is the third time I'm saying this--keep counting). The meaning of "Thanks for asking" is NOT the problem. I already know why anyone in Japan or your country would say it.

The "mystery" is, I was wondering HOW the word "okage-sama" came to have such a meaning. NOT why they say it. Do you understand now? If you had read my post more carefully you would have.

Originally Posted by PaulTB

That was my whole point. Except for the one about you appearing from nowhere in the middle of a thread and posting something with no relation to the earlier posts.

Excuse me, professor.

The thread says "weird expressions," and I find it weird that "okage" is used in this context. Like I said, why would it be my "okage" if someone is doing well?

I don't give a sht about earlier posts. Since when has there been a rule about having to post only about matters relating to earlier posts?

Do yourself and me a favor. Don't waste any more of your time and expertise on my posts.

Elizabeth · Jul 16, 2004, 13:25

Apparently this particularly strange expression has its origins in the now minor meanings
of お陰、御蔭 as indebtedness, gratitude, and assistance in addition to shadow and shade which, with sama, developed into "thanks to you" or "because of you."
それでも直訳するとちょっと不自然と思います。多分それ自体に余り意味はありません。　

Elizabeth · Jul 16, 2004, 20:31

It said to me some time ago by my Japanese friend and I tried to search for explanation of word: さしつさされつ, but I couldn't find it anywhere...
If someone could help, I'd very grateful... Thank you.

This is one explanation I received on your initial question about the significance of exchanging sake in Japan. Clearly being metaphorical in a case like this, although I will try to translate later when I'm feeling more rested or if someone else can't beat me to it.

「差す」は、お酒をすすめるという意味があります。
日本独特の風習で、お酌をするという行為です。
「差しつ、差されつ」は二人で、互いにお酒を飲んでは相手にお酌し
また飲んではお酌されるという状況です。
この場合、その意味が転じて、二人きりで仲良く互いに何かをするという
意味でつかわれていると思います。

PaulTB · Jul 16, 2004, 20:45

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

This is one explanation I received on your initial question about the significance of exchanging sake in Japan. Clearly being metaphorical in a case like this

Why clearly being metaphorical? Can't they just be swigging a can of beer between them?

Maze · Jul 17, 2004, 03:09

So, should I assume, that my Japanese friend wanted to exchange cans of beer with me in more than friendly atmosphere....?

PaulTB · Jul 17, 2004, 05:55

Originally Posted by Maze

So, should I assume, that my Japanese friend wanted to exchange cans of beer with me in more than friendly atmosphere....?

Well I'm really not in a position to say. For a start I don't even know if you and your friend are of opposite gender

Depending on context he/she could well have been joking. And there's nothing at all definate in what's said - although I still think my interpretation is one of the possible ones.

Maze · Jul 17, 2004, 06:54

As a matter of fact - he's a boy...

And I'm a girl .......

PaulTB · Jul 17, 2004, 11:47

Originally Posted by Maze

As a matter of fact - he's a boy... And I'm a girl .......

ああいう関係と思わなかったんですか。

No seriously he could well have been joking, but if he wasn't then be cautious about slipping off together to any isolated rooms, ne.

Maze · Jul 17, 2004, 21:22

So maybe some suggestions how to respond to him... I feel

PaulTB · Jul 17, 2004, 21:32

Originally Posted by Maze

So maybe some suggestions how to respond to him... I feel

I don't think that's a question about the Japanese language any more.

I'm probably the last person on the planet to consult about matters of

Maze · Jul 18, 2004, 02:09

Thanks anyway

Looks like I'll have to deal with it on my own....

Elizabeth · Jul 18, 2004, 04:51

Originally Posted by Maze

Thanks anyway
Looks like I'll have to deal with it on my own....

And if you'd rather have something sent in Japanese we handle those as well.

**Glenn** · Jul 19, 2004, 15:24

Originally Posted by PaulTB

...For a start I don't even know if you and your friend are of opposite gender...

Does that matter all that much? What if they were both gay?

PaulTB · Jul 19, 2004, 15:30

Originally Posted by Glenn

Does that matter all that much? What if they were both gay?

It matters statistically.

Besides I think it provided enough of a hint to get the relevant information

... I wonder if Maze is ever going to come back to this thread and tell us how it turned out?

Jul 16, 2004, 01:06	#1
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	what are those weird Japanese expressions? Could someone help bme translating this sentence: 教務準備室であんな事やそんな事、ゆっくりたっぷりさしつさされつ.... It said to me some time ago by my Japanese friend and I tried to search for explanation of word: さしつさされつ, but I couldn't find it anywhere... If someone could help, I'd very grateful... Thank you.

Jul 16, 2004, 01:36	#2
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	差しつ差されつ【さしつさされつ】 (adv,n) exchanging sake cups __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Jul 16, 2004, 03:31	#4
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maze But what does the whole sentence mean? I can't tell who's getting up to stuff with who but's it's a definate ラブラブ関係 I think it'll be more fun for me if I let Elizabeth translate your sentence /me runs away and hides.

Jul 16, 2004, 07:00	#7
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maze あんな事やそんな事 That's usually slang for various things that a couple might get up to together. Anything between a quick cuddle and stuff that maybe I shouldn't post on this board. A slightly more explicit version is あんな事、そんな事、こんな事 - often heard in anime. (Put the first letter of each three bits together in order ...) I can't say what it actually meant for certain without more context but, especially with the たっぷりゆっくり, it has a certain 'ring' to it. ================================================== = Originally Posted by Golgo_13 I never understood why some people respond with an "Okage sama de" when I ask someone how his spouse or family member is. In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you." "____ no okage de" roughly means "with so and so's help . . ." I didn't do anything to make them well . . . It's just the local version of "Thanks for asking." But aren't you in the wrong thread?

Jul 16, 2004, 08:07	#9
Golgo_13 Koushaku Join Date: Nov 27, 2003 Location: KIX -> JFK -> LAX Posts: 1,402	Originally Posted by Golgo_13 In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you." "It's just the local version of 'Thanks for asking.' " Thanks for reiterating what I'd already said. The whole point was why they say it.

Jul 16, 2004, 01:48	#3
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	But what does the whole sentence mean?

Jul 16, 2004, 04:59	#5
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	Eh? Why ラブラブ関係 ?

Jul 16, 2004, 06:38	#6
Golgo_13 Koushaku Join Date: Nov 27, 2003 Location: KIX -> JFK -> LAX Posts: 1,402	I never understood why some people respond with an "Okage sama de" when I ask someone how his spouse or family member is. In that context it means "____ is fine. Thank you." "____ no okage de" roughly means "with so and so's help . . ." I didn't do anything to make them well . . .

Jul 16, 2004, 07:11	#8
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	So, now I'm getting the idea what he was talking about..... What should I do.......

Jul 16, 2004, 08:28	#10
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	That's usually slang for various things that a couple might get up to together. Anything between a quick cuddle and stuff that maybe I shouldn't post on this board. A slightly more explicit version is あんな事、そんな事、こんな事 - often heard in anime. (Put the first letter of each three bits together in order ...) I have heard that about asoko and ano as well, standing for something only two people know about. Even to the point of being told those were their primary meanings and they were off limits in ordinary speech....

Jul 16, 2004, 11:55	#11
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Golgo_13 The whole point was why they say it. "Thanks for asking" is a culturally equivalent phrase commonly said in English and close in literal translation. If you can see 'why they say it' in English then there should be no mystery about why they say it in Japanese. That was my whole point. Except for the one about you appearing from nowhere in the middle of a thread and posting something with no relation to the earlier posts.

Jul 16, 2004, 12:09	#12
Golgo_13 Koushaku Join Date: Nov 27, 2003 Location: KIX -> JFK -> LAX Posts: 1,402	Originally Posted by PaulTB "Thanks for asking" is a culturally equivalent phrase commonly said in English and close in literal translation. If you can see 'why they say it' in English then there should be no mystery about why they say it in Japanese.. I already know what the phrase means (this is the third time I'm saying this--keep counting). The meaning of "Thanks for asking" is NOT the problem. I already know why anyone in Japan or your country would say it. The "mystery" is, I was wondering HOW the word "okage-sama" came to have such a meaning. NOT why they say it. Do you understand now? If you had read my post more carefully you would have. Originally Posted by PaulTB That was my whole point. Except for the one about you appearing from nowhere in the middle of a thread and posting something with no relation to the earlier posts. Excuse me, professor. The thread says "weird expressions," and I find it weird that "okage" is used in this context. Like I said, why would it be my "okage" if someone is doing well? I don't give a sht about earlier posts. Since when has there been a rule about having to post only about matters relating to earlier posts? Do yourself and me a favor. Don't waste any more of your time and expertise on my posts.

Jul 16, 2004, 13:25	#13
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Apparently this particularly strange expression has its origins in the now minor meanings of お陰、御蔭 as indebtedness, gratitude, and assistance in addition to shadow and shade which, with sama, developed into "thanks to you" or "because of you." それでも直訳するとちょっと不自然と思います。多分それ自体に余り意味はありません。

Jul 16, 2004, 20:31	#14
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	It said to me some time ago by my Japanese friend and I tried to search for explanation of word: さしつさされつ, but I couldn't find it anywhere... If someone could help, I'd very grateful... Thank you. This is one explanation I received on your initial question about the significance of exchanging sake in Japan. Clearly being metaphorical in a case like this, although I will try to translate later when I'm feeling more rested or if someone else can't beat me to it. 「差す」は、お酒をすすめるという意味があります。日本独特の風習で、お酌をするという行為です。「差しつ、差されつ」は二人で、互いにお酒を飲んでは相手にお酌しまた飲んではお酌されるという状況です。この場合、その意味が転じて、二人きりで仲良く互いに何かをするという意味でつかわれていると思います。

Jul 16, 2004, 20:45	#15
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Elizabeth This is one explanation I received on your initial question about the significance of exchanging sake in Japan. Clearly being metaphorical in a case like this Why clearly being metaphorical? Can't they just be swigging a can of beer between them?

Jul 17, 2004, 03:09	#16
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	So, should I assume, that my Japanese friend wanted to exchange cans of beer with me in more than friendly atmosphere....?

Jul 17, 2004, 05:55	#17
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maze So, should I assume, that my Japanese friend wanted to exchange cans of beer with me in more than friendly atmosphere....? Well I'm really not in a position to say. For a start I don't even know if you and your friend are of opposite gender Depending on context he/she could well have been joking. And there's nothing at all definate in what's said - although I still think my interpretation is one of the possible ones.

Jul 17, 2004, 06:54	#18
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	As a matter of fact - he's a boy... And I'm a girl .......

Jul 17, 2004, 11:47	#19
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maze As a matter of fact - he's a boy... And I'm a girl ....... ああいう関係と思わなかったんですか。 No seriously he could well have been joking, but if he wasn't then be cautious about slipping off together to any isolated rooms, ne.

Jul 17, 2004, 21:22	#20
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	So maybe some suggestions how to respond to him... I feel

Jul 17, 2004, 21:32	#21
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maze So maybe some suggestions how to respond to him... I feel I don't think that's a question about the Japanese language any more. I'm probably the last person on the planet to consult about matters of

Jul 18, 2004, 02:09	#22
Maze Regular Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2004 Posts: 28	Thanks anyway Looks like I'll have to deal with it on my own....

Jul 18, 2004, 04:51	#23
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by Maze Thanks anyway Looks like I'll have to deal with it on my own.... And if you'd rather have something sent in Japanese we handle those as well.

Jul 19, 2004, 15:24	#24
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Originally Posted by PaulTB ...For a start I don't even know if you and your friend are of opposite gender... Does that matter all that much? What if they were both gay? __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jul 19, 2004, 15:30	#25
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Glenn Does that matter all that much? What if they were both gay? It matters statistically. Besides I think it provided enough of a hint to get the relevant information ... I wonder if Maze is ever going to come back to this thread and tell us how it turned out?

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