2 questions

SkaKid0911 · Jul 25, 2004, 11:43

Hey guys. I have 2 questions I was hoping someone could answer. The first is about adjective conjugation. Not to fit in with the sentence, like making it the adj. negative and stuff, but I mean -ier, -iest, etc. In particular, the adj. easier (易い). The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba (If you don't understand, I'm making a 'cause, effect/if, then' sentence. The conjugation I mean is like aruku, to walk, changes to arukeba.). The sentence I am trying to make is:
If it is easier, please write in Japanese.
So far I have: もし、易い-ier でけば（？）、日本語に書きます。
Please make any corrections and stuff. Thanks.

PaulTB · Jul 25, 2004, 12:12

Originally Posted by SkaKid0911

but I mean -ier, -iest, etc. In particular, the adj. easier (易い).

やすい, 超やすい, 超スーパーやすい

No seriously there is no -ier, -iest, etc. in Japanese. 超 can sometimes be used, but in general you get by with ＿＿より＿＿のほうが＿＿
or maybe いちばんやすい.

Originally Posted by SkaKid0911

The sentence I am trying to make is:
If it is easier, please write in Japanese.

Well I wouldn't start from there.

SkaKid0911 · Jul 25, 2004, 12:14

Thanks. I didn't know adjectives didn't have forms like that. What do you mean by "Well I wouldn't start from there"?

**NANGI** · Jul 25, 2004, 12:31

Konnichiwa SkaKid0911-san!

The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba (If you don't understand, I'm making a 'cause, effect/if, then' sentence. The conjugation I mean is like aruku, to walk, changes to arukeba.). The sentence I am trying to make is:
If it is easier, please write in Japanese.
So far I have: もし、易い-ier でけば（？）、日本語に書きます。
Please make any corrections and stuff. Thanks.

Japanese "-desu" means common sentence.
This problem is easy.
この問題は易しい。

And "-keba" means conditional clause.
This problem is easier than that.
この問題はあの問題より易しい。

Don't mix "-desu" and "-keba" as like "-dekeba".
If it is easier, please write in Japanese.
もしより易しければ、日本語で書いてください。

NANGI

SkaKid0911 · Jul 25, 2004, 12:36

Thank you very much, Nangi-san!
What does ければ mean? Thank you.

Keiichi · Jul 25, 2004, 12:45

ければ is the ば-form (if) for adjectives ending with i.
If easy: 易しければ
If good: よければ
If hard: 難しければ

SkaKid0911 · Jul 25, 2004, 12:48

Ahhh. So rather than conjugating the 'is' in "if it is easier", you have to conjugate the easier. Thank you!

PaulTB · Jul 25, 2004, 15:05

Originally Posted by SkaKid0911

What do you mean by "Well I wouldn't start from there"?

I mean I wouldn't start from "If it is easier, please write in Japanese." (I'm assuming this is to somebody Japanese). I'd start from "If you want to, feel free to write in Japanese." or something.

Belgarath · Jul 25, 2004, 17:00

Originally Posted by SkaKid0911

The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba

Well, "desu" is an abbrevation of "de arimasu", so you could say "de areba". I'm sure there is more to add to this, but I'll just leave it like this

Keiichi · Jul 25, 2004, 17:58

I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure.

PaulTB · Jul 25, 2004, 18:39

Originally Posted by Keiichi

I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure.

It is used - but mostly in written works and in narration.

SkaKid0911 · Jul 25, 2004, 21:19

Thank you very much everyone!

**Glenn** · Jul 27, 2004, 13:18

A couple of notes:

1) Japanese adjectives act more like verbs than they do adjectives in English. So in plain form the sentence "this is easy" would just be これは易しい.

2) The である copula is mostly used in writing nowadays, but it has its place in speech as well. It is used in relative clauses: あいつは俺が世界一だってことは知らんようだな, and when making the ば conditional: 新人であれば、きっと自己紹介してくださいね。

Mike Cash · Jul 27, 2004, 16:00

Originally Posted by Keiichi

I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure.

Read almost any Japanese book.

Jul 25, 2004, 11:43	#1
SkaKid0911 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 3, 2004 Age: 19 Posts: 163	2 questions Hey guys. I have 2 questions I was hoping someone could answer. The first is about adjective conjugation. Not to fit in with the sentence, like making it the adj. negative and stuff, but I mean -ier, -iest, etc. In particular, the adj. easier (易い). The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba (If you don't understand, I'm making a 'cause, effect/if, then' sentence. The conjugation I mean is like aruku, to walk, changes to arukeba.). The sentence I am trying to make is: If it is easier, please write in Japanese. So far I have: もし、易い-ier でけば（？）、日本語に書きます。 Please make any corrections and stuff. Thanks.

Jul 25, 2004, 12:12	#2
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by SkaKid0911 but I mean -ier, -iest, etc. In particular, the adj. easier (易い). やすい, 超やすい, 超スーパーやすい No seriously there is no -ier, -iest, etc. in Japanese. 超 can sometimes be used, but in general you get by with ＿＿より＿＿のほうが＿＿ or maybe いちばんやすい. Originally Posted by SkaKid0911 The sentence I am trying to make is: If it is easier, please write in Japanese. Well I wouldn't start from there.

Jul 25, 2004, 12:31	#4
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa SkaKid0911-san! The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba (If you don't understand, I'm making a 'cause, effect/if, then' sentence. The conjugation I mean is like aruku, to walk, changes to arukeba.). The sentence I am trying to make is: If it is easier, please write in Japanese. So far I have: もし、易い-ier でけば（？）、日本語に書きます。 Please make any corrections and stuff. Thanks. Japanese "-desu" means common sentence. This problem is easy. この問題は易しい。 And "-keba" means conditional clause. This problem is easier than that. この問題はあの問題より易しい。 Don't mix "-desu" and "-keba" as like "-dekeba". If it is easier, please write in Japanese. もしより易しければ、日本語で書いてください。 NANGI

Jul 25, 2004, 12:45	#6
Keiichi Hi Join Date: Mar 9, 2003 Posts: 818	ければ is the ば-form (if) for adjectives ending with i. If easy: 易しければ If good: よければ If hard: 難しければ __________________ K1

Jul 25, 2004, 15:05	#8
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by SkaKid0911 What do you mean by "Well I wouldn't start from there"? I mean I wouldn't start from "If it is easier, please write in Japanese." (I'm assuming this is to somebody Japanese). I'd start from "If you want to, feel free to write in Japanese." or something.

Jul 25, 2004, 12:14	#3
SkaKid0911 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 3, 2004 Age: 19 Posts: 163	Thanks. I didn't know adjectives didn't have forms like that. What do you mean by "Well I wouldn't start from there"?

Jul 25, 2004, 12:36	#5
SkaKid0911 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 3, 2004 Age: 19 Posts: 163	Thank you very much, Nangi-san! What does ければ mean? Thank you.

Jul 25, 2004, 12:48	#7
SkaKid0911 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 3, 2004 Age: 19 Posts: 163	Ahhh. So rather than conjugating the 'is' in "if it is easier", you have to conjugate the easier. Thank you!

Jul 25, 2004, 17:00	#9
Belgarath Junior Member Join Date: Jul 15, 2004 Age: 24 Posts: 11	Originally Posted by SkaKid0911 The next is how to conjugate desu with -keba Well, "desu" is an abbrevation of "de arimasu", so you could say "de areba". I'm sure there is more to add to this, but I'll just leave it like this

Jul 25, 2004, 17:58	#10
Keiichi Hi Join Date: Mar 9, 2003 Posts: 818	I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure.

Jul 25, 2004, 18:39	#11
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Keiichi I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure. It is used - but mostly in written works and in narration.

Jul 25, 2004, 21:19	#12
SkaKid0911 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 3, 2004 Age: 19 Posts: 163	Thank you very much everyone!

Jul 27, 2004, 13:18	#13
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	A couple of notes: 1) Japanese adjectives act more like verbs than they do adjectives in English. So in plain form the sentence "this is easy" would just be これは易しい. 2) The である copula is mostly used in writing nowadays, but it has its place in speech as well. It is used in relative clauses: あいつは俺が世界一だってことは知らんようだな, and when making the ば conditional: 新人であれば、きっと自己紹介してくださいね。 __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup Last edited by Glenn; Jul 27, 2004 at 16:57. Reason: spelling; I'm slipping

Jul 27, 2004, 16:00	#14
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Keiichi I don't think anyone using "de aru" these days where "desu" is suppose to be, and it's an old form, but I'm not sure. Read almost any Japanese book.

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