17-year old murderer

cookie85 · Feb 15, 2005, 12:00

Another very sad news about young murderers in Japan...

A 17-year-old guy went into an elementary school in Osaka on Monday afternoon, and stabbed a male teacher to death and injured other two (a female teacher and a member of the staff).

http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/ge...20050215a1.htm

SneffeL · Feb 15, 2005, 12:33

Crap.. Wonder what actually cause him to stab three persons. With a 21cm knife, he meant business.

RockLee · Feb 15, 2005, 19:01

http://japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=327350

last week 3 boys killed a man.

ashuri2 · Feb 17, 2005, 13:46

that actually saddens me, cause he didn't seem to have a motive...maybe we'll never know why the guy did it?

Elizabeth · Feb 18, 2005, 10:06

Originally Posted by ashuri2

that actually saddens me, cause he didn't seem to have a motive...maybe we'll never know why the guy did it?

I don't think that part has been clarified yet, he apparently claimed it was anger over bullying while he was a student there, although the victims were chosen indiscriminately and the police are doubtful of that aspect of his testimony.

The saddest part is the teacher that was killed was the most unsuspecting victim and the one that actually asked the murderer (on the 1st floor) where he was going. The guy replied "Where's the staff lounge?" and on the way there with the teacher (he apparently claims it was because he was being taken in the opposite direction) proceeds to stab him in the back.

ashuri2 · Feb 19, 2005, 12:32

OMG, i feel so sorry for the family of the victims. they won't even have the closure of knowing why it was their family member the guy randomly stabbed...

**Ma Cherie** · Feb 20, 2005, 12:30

The world is a cesspool of corupption, isn't it. But at any rate, that was a cold-blooded act. I wonder what was going through that 17-year old boys mind.

Maciamo · Feb 22, 2005, 13:46

Here is the motive of the 17-year-old stabber :

OSAKA (Kyodo) A 17-year-old youth who stabbed three staff members, one fatally, at his former elementary school Monday in Neyagawa, Osaka Prefecture, was acting on a grudge against a teacher, according to investigative sources.

The teen said his sixth-grade homeroom teacher at Neyagawa Chuo Elementary School had failed to help him when he was bullied as a pupil there, the sources said Tuesday.

He was quoted as saying that he did not intend to kill anyone and that he "acted wrongly." The youth cannot be named because he is a minor.

Now what do you think. Did he make a reasonable choice by attacking his former teachers, or should he rather have turned his grudge to the bulliers ? The latter seems more logical.

The sources said that investigators are treating the teen's comments with skepticism; they think it is strange that he returned to the school five years after graduation to attack staff with no direct connection to the alleged bullying, the sources said.

Why would that be strange ? He didn't have the (physical) power to get his revenge when he was 12, and the psychological pain didn't abate with time. Haven't these people seen the Godfather ? "La vendetta" is something that take time to prepare, sometimes over 20 years (as French people say "la vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid").

The municipal board of education held an emergency meeting Tuesday morning to discuss ways to deal with potential emotional problems suffered by pupils and staff.

That's all well and good, but, with all the similar bullying and juvenile crime cases happening in Japan, why doesn't the Ministry of Education give guidelines or special trainings to the teachers to help children suffering from bullying ? It's even stranger in a country like Japan, where the teachers must strictly follow the curriculum and way of teaching imposed by the Ministry of Education. The responsibilty is both that of the teachers and the government, so if they get killed it just because they weren't able to do a good job in protecting some children from psychologically disturbing bullying. They are only harvesting the fruits they have let grow.

Eve · Feb 22, 2005, 16:04

You think 17 yr old is young there was a 13 yr old (I think) who killed his grandparents and lit the house on fire a couple of yrs ago. It was CNN a couple of days ago after the trial

isayhello · Feb 22, 2005, 17:56

When officers arrived at the scene, the youth was standing by a window in the staff room, holding the knife and smoking a cigarette. He did not resist when they ordered him to drop the weapon, they said.

Probably thought he was in a movie or something... I wonder why he did it? That teacher might have been a real mean, annoying person who had molested this student or something... ?

Last year, (I think) a small girl (13yearsold) killed some of her classmates. That time, Battle Royale got the blame...

ashuri2 · Feb 23, 2005, 05:12

....b.s. i love battle royale, and hate some people i know, but you don't see me killing them off one by one with various weapons.

RinoaRita · Mar 16, 2005, 01:48

Yeah, I think blaming the media is another way that people as a society shirk responisblity. For every kid that snaps because of watching violent movies/vid game, there are thousnads and thousands of kids who don't.

I'm also glad that Japan's gun control is much better than the US's...

imagine if they had easy access to guns

Shibuyaexpat · Mar 16, 2005, 15:30

Originally Posted by Maciamo

(as French people say "la vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid").

Actually, I think it was an Englishman that first penned that phrase for a Danish prince.

Xkavar · Mar 16, 2005, 16:06

Well. It's good to know that throughout the world, there are a few young people who can't channel their hatred of public school and all things related, into something else.

My condolences to everyone that was affected.

isayhello · Mar 16, 2005, 19:30

Originally Posted by ashuri2

....b.s. i love battle royale, and hate some people i know, but you don't see me killing them off one by one with various weapons.

I know, I love Battle Royale too - and soo far I haven't killed anyone

But some people, already having some mental illness, can get the wrong message for these movies.

I'm not fond of blaming the movies neither, but people tend to do that. What we can't explain we don't like, therefore we want to blame something that could be the cause - but most of the time isn't...

ashuri2 · Mar 17, 2005, 00:32

i love battle royale...maybe i should go out and kill someone.... @_@. not gonna happen. when kids snap, it's caused by a number of factors, not just one thing. that one thing might have just been the last snowflack on an avalanche- not much weight by itself, but in addition to everything else a disaster happens.

Apr 14, 2005, 21:22

yes oo i suddenly have the urge to slice someones *** open like nobu!....NOT!!!

PaulTB · Apr 14, 2005, 21:30

Originally Posted by Chiaki_Kuriyama_Fan

yes oo i suddenly have the urge to slice someones *** open like nobu!....NOT!!!

Obviously not everybody who watches / reads / plays something violent will immediately become violent. That doesn't say that there won't be a small but number of people who will, nor that a larger fraction won't be somewhat more aggressive.

There have been plenty of studies done on this and the results are pretty clear cut. That's not to say there never should be violence shown in TV, movies, games, whatever - but at the least age restrictions are there for a reason.

Apr 18, 2005, 21:10

:: slices pauls *** open :: I changed my mind....

PaulTB · Apr 18, 2005, 22:33

Originally Posted by Maciamo

Here is the motive of the 17-year-old stabber :

Some more stuff here http://blog.goo.ne.jp/hagukumukai7/e...a889ffab4a717a (a blog - so don't know how reliable it is).

Originally Posted by Maciamo

"The teen said his sixth-grade homeroom teacher at Neyagawa Chuo Elementary School had failed to help him when he was bullied as a pupil there, the sources said Tuesday."

Being bullied about wearing braces to correct his teeth.

Originally Posted by Maciamo

Now what do you think. Did he make a reasonable choice by attacking his former teachers, or should he rather have turned his grudge to the bulliers ? The latter seems more logical.

Well obviously neither choice is logical but if we leave that to one side then if the teacher knew about the situation and was neglecting it then you could say the teacher is more responsible because he was literally the person in a position of responsibility. The bullies being minors and the teacher being the relevant 'guardian' of all concerned. It was the teacher's job to keep things like that from getting out of hand. However it seems that was was not actually the case. The boy's mother sayd "At the time (he was being teased) we were grateful for the the teacher kindly offering guidance."

Why would that be strange ? He didn't have the (physical) power to get his revenge when he was 12, and the psychological pain didn't abate with time. Haven't these people seen the Godfather ? "La vendetta" is something that take time to prepare, sometimes over 20 years

If he's spent that much time preparing you'd think he could get the right guy. It's hardly 'Godfather' material.

The responsibilty is both that of the teachers and the government, so if they get killed it just because they weren't able to do a good job in protecting some children from psychologically disturbing bullying. They are only harvesting the fruits they have let grow.

What happened to the parents in your little equation? It seems he was a 'hikikomuri' who played TV games all the time and had little interation with other people. That didn't happen overnight.

tokyohoney · Aug 26, 2006, 03:35

and people say american kids are dangerous...

Feb 15, 2005, 12:00	#1
cookie85 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Posts: 16	17-year old murderer Another very sad news about young murderers in Japan... A 17-year-old guy went into an elementary school in Osaka on Monday afternoon, and stabbed a male teacher to death and injured other two (a female teacher and a member of the staff). http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/ge...20050215a1.htm

Feb 15, 2005, 19:01	#3
RockLee Hullu Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Location: Espoo Age: 26 Posts: 3,084	http://japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=327350 last week 3 boys killed a man. __________________ ~ Parempi hullu kuin tylsä - Better crazy than boring ~ http://www.fin-style.be/blog -> My Blog about Finland and other random thingies.

Feb 18, 2005, 10:06	#5
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,511	Originally Posted by ashuri2 that actually saddens me, cause he didn't seem to have a motive...maybe we'll never know why the guy did it? I don't think that part has been clarified yet, he apparently claimed it was anger over bullying while he was a student there, although the victims were chosen indiscriminately and the police are doubtful of that aspect of his testimony. The saddest part is the teacher that was killed was the most unsuspecting victim and the one that actually asked the murderer (on the 1st floor) where he was going. The guy replied "Where's the staff lounge?" and on the way there with the teacher (he apparently claims it was because he was being taken in the opposite direction) proceeds to stab him in the back. __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Feb 20, 2005, 12:30	#7
Ma Cherie Your Goddess is here Join Date: Mar 24, 2004 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 1,202	The world is a cesspool of corupption, isn't it. But at any rate, that was a cold-blooded act. I wonder what was going through that 17-year old boys mind. __________________ "Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot." The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)

Feb 22, 2005, 13:46	#8
Maciamo Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Jul 17, 2002 Location: Austrasia Posts: 6,647	Here is the motive of the 17-year-old stabber : OSAKA (Kyodo) A 17-year-old youth who stabbed three staff members, one fatally, at his former elementary school Monday in Neyagawa, Osaka Prefecture, was acting on a grudge against a teacher, according to investigative sources. The teen said his sixth-grade homeroom teacher at Neyagawa Chuo Elementary School had failed to help him when he was bullied as a pupil there, the sources said Tuesday. He was quoted as saying that he did not intend to kill anyone and that he "acted wrongly." The youth cannot be named because he is a minor. Now what do you think. Did he make a reasonable choice by attacking his former teachers, or should he rather have turned his grudge to the bulliers ? The latter seems more logical. The sources said that investigators are treating the teen's comments with skepticism; they think it is strange that he returned to the school five years after graduation to attack staff with no direct connection to the alleged bullying, the sources said. Why would that be strange ? He didn't have the (physical) power to get his revenge when he was 12, and the psychological pain didn't abate with time. Haven't these people seen the Godfather ? "La vendetta" is something that take time to prepare, sometimes over 20 years (as French people say "la vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid"). The municipal board of education held an emergency meeting Tuesday morning to discuss ways to deal with potential emotional problems suffered by pupils and staff. That's all well and good, but, with all the similar bullying and juvenile crime cases happening in Japan, why doesn't the Ministry of Education give guidelines or special trainings to the teachers to help children suffering from bullying ? It's even stranger in a country like Japan, where the teachers must strictly follow the curriculum and way of teaching imposed by the Ministry of Education. The responsibilty is both that of the teachers and the government, so if they get killed it just because they weren't able to do a good job in protecting some children from psychologically disturbing bullying. They are only harvesting the fruits they have let grow. __________________ Over 100 destinations in the Japan Sightseeing Guide + detailed Tokyo Guide and Kyoto Guide Eupedia : Your Guide to Europe in English Read the "Maciamo FAQ" "What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?", Winston Churchill.

Feb 15, 2005, 12:33	#2
SneffeL Junior Member Join Date: Jan 19, 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 17	Crap.. Wonder what actually cause him to stab three persons. With a 21cm knife, he meant business.

Feb 17, 2005, 13:46	#4
ashuri2 me gots isshooz... Join Date: Mar 28, 2004 Location: in my room. i live as little as possible.... Age: 22 Posts: 367	that actually saddens me, cause he didn't seem to have a motive...maybe we'll never know why the guy did it?

Feb 19, 2005, 12:32	#6
ashuri2 me gots isshooz... Join Date: Mar 28, 2004 Location: in my room. i live as little as possible.... Age: 22 Posts: 367	OMG, i feel so sorry for the family of the victims. they won't even have the closure of knowing why it was their family member the guy randomly stabbed...

Feb 22, 2005, 16:04	#9
Eve More than words Join Date: Nov 6, 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 417	You think 17 yr old is young there was a 13 yr old (I think) who killed his grandparents and lit the house on fire a couple of yrs ago. It was CNN a couple of days ago after the trial

Feb 22, 2005, 17:56	#10
isayhello MYV Join Date: Jan 25, 2005 Location: Miyavi-land Age: 22 Posts: 2,014	When officers arrived at the scene, the youth was standing by a window in the staff room, holding the knife and smoking a cigarette. He did not resist when they ordered him to drop the weapon, they said. Probably thought he was in a movie or something... I wonder why he did it? That teacher might have been a real mean, annoying person who had molested this student or something... ? Last year, (I think) a small girl (13yearsold) killed some of her classmates. That time, Battle Royale got the blame... __________________ For text signatures: 4 lines normal size, 8 lines small size and up to 90 characters per line. Empty lines are also counted. Font sizes above 2 are not allowed. For images in signatures: one image up to 300 pixels wide, 100 pixels tall and 20k in size If you do want to have text and an image, you can have a maximum of 2 normal lines (or 4 small lines) and one image (in a new line) up to 300 pixels wide, 60 pixels tall and 15k in size."

Feb 23, 2005, 05:12	#11
ashuri2 me gots isshooz... Join Date: Mar 28, 2004 Location: in my room. i live as little as possible.... Age: 22 Posts: 367	....b.s. i love battle royale, and hate some people i know, but you don't see me killing them off one by one with various weapons.

Mar 16, 2005, 01:48	#12
RinoaRita Oneechan Join Date: Feb 15, 2005 Location: nj Age: 25 Posts: 26	Yeah, I think blaming the media is another way that people as a society shirk responisblity. For every kid that snaps because of watching violent movies/vid game, there are thousnads and thousands of kids who don't. I'm also glad that Japan's gun control is much better than the US's... imagine if they had easy access to guns

Mar 16, 2005, 15:30	#13
Shibuyaexpat Regular Member Join Date: Jan 19, 2005 Location: SFO, but my heart's still in Tokyo Posts: 196	Originally Posted by Maciamo (as French people say "la vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid"). Actually, I think it was an Englishman that first penned that phrase for a Danish prince.

Mar 16, 2005, 16:06	#14
Xkavar wishing for a girlfriend Join Date: Jul 5, 2004 Location: Nevada Age: 27 Posts: 104	Well. It's good to know that throughout the world, there are a few young people who can't channel their hatred of public school and all things related, into something else. My condolences to everyone that was affected. __________________ I am not proud of why America was founded...But there is something, I'm not sure what, that makes me proud of what America wants to be.

Mar 16, 2005, 19:30	#15
isayhello MYV Join Date: Jan 25, 2005 Location: Miyavi-land Age: 22 Posts: 2,014	Originally Posted by ashuri2 ....b.s. i love battle royale, and hate some people i know, but you don't see me killing them off one by one with various weapons. I know, I love Battle Royale too - and soo far I haven't killed anyone But some people, already having some mental illness, can get the wrong message for these movies. I'm not fond of blaming the movies neither, but people tend to do that. What we can't explain we don't like, therefore we want to blame something that could be the cause - but most of the time isn't...

Mar 17, 2005, 00:32	#16
ashuri2 me gots isshooz... Join Date: Mar 28, 2004 Location: in my room. i live as little as possible.... Age: 22 Posts: 367	i love battle royale...maybe i should go out and kill someone.... @_@. not gonna happen. when kids snap, it's caused by a number of factors, not just one thing. that one thing might have just been the last snowflack on an avalanche- not much weight by itself, but in addition to everything else a disaster happens.

Apr 14, 2005, 21:22	#17
Chiaki_Kuriyama_Fan Guest Posts: n/a	yes oo i suddenly have the urge to slice someones *** open like nobu!....NOT!!!

Apr 14, 2005, 21:30	#18
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Chiaki_Kuriyama_Fan yes oo i suddenly have the urge to slice someones * open like nobu!....NOT!!! Obviously not everybody** who watches / reads / plays something violent will immediately become violent. That doesn't say that there won't be a small but number of people who will, nor that a larger fraction won't be somewhat more aggressive. There have been plenty of studies done on this and the results are pretty clear cut. That's not to say there never should be violence shown in TV, movies, games, whatever - but at the least age restrictions are there for a reason.

Apr 18, 2005, 21:10	#19
Chiaki_Kuriyama_Fan Guest Posts: n/a	:: slices pauls *** open :: I changed my mind....

Apr 18, 2005, 22:33	#20
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maciamo Here is the motive of the 17-year-old stabber : Some more stuff here http://blog.goo.ne.jp/hagukumukai7/e...a889ffab4a717a (a blog - so don't know how reliable it is). Originally Posted by Maciamo "The teen said his sixth-grade homeroom teacher at Neyagawa Chuo Elementary School had failed to help him when he was bullied as a pupil there, the sources said Tuesday." Being bullied about wearing braces to correct his teeth. Originally Posted by Maciamo Now what do you think. Did he make a reasonable choice by attacking his former teachers, or should he rather have turned his grudge to the bulliers ? The latter seems more logical. Well obviously neither choice is logical but if we leave that to one side then if the teacher knew about the situation and was neglecting it then you could say the teacher is more responsible because he was literally the person in a position of responsibility. The bullies being minors and the teacher being the relevant 'guardian' of all concerned. It was the teacher's job to keep things like that from getting out of hand. However it seems that was was not actually the case. The boy's mother sayd "At the time (he was being teased) we were grateful for the the teacher kindly offering guidance." Why would that be strange ? He didn't have the (physical) power to get his revenge when he was 12, and the psychological pain didn't abate with time. Haven't these people seen the Godfather ? "La vendetta" is something that take time to prepare, sometimes over 20 years If he's spent that much time preparing you'd think he could get the right guy. It's hardly 'Godfather' material. The responsibilty is both that of the teachers and the government, so if they get killed it just because they weren't able to do a good job in protecting some children from psychologically disturbing bullying. They are only harvesting the fruits they have let grow. What happened to the parents in your little equation? It seems he was a 'hikikomuri' who played TV games all the time and had little interation with other people. That didn't happen overnight. Last edited by PaulTB; Apr 19, 2005 at 17:49. Reason: Darn romaji spelling

Aug 26, 2006, 03:35	#21
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