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Chukchi Salmon
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Originally Posted by Jack-In-Box
Jack said it all.
Since there are supposedly only 1 Japanese out of 20 members, I may have to extend the question to "If you are not Japanese, or less Japanese than otherwise, what do you think the Japanese generalize about Americans ?" Of particular interest would be the case when you are American, but have little to do with the US, i.e. you are either Canadian, Mexican, or South American, the question would be adjusted, "Do you think the average Japanese could/would/should distinquish between a US American and a non-US American ? If so, in what way ?" To keep things simple, what are some Japanese racial stereotypes about US citizens ? And how is that different from stereotypes about non-US Americans, Europeans, Africans, Australians, Australians, and non-Japanese Asians ? original question was raised by Jack Refering to Non Japanese things as Japanese... . Last edited by lexico; Jun 26, 2005 at 10:30. |
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I can't have any sorts of generalization about Americans as so diverse the country is.
I understand where you are coming from, though; a lot of Japanese people may have narrow views on other countries not only America because a lot of them get informed by watching TV. |
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I think one generalization that the Japanese may have is that all Americans are Caucasion.
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Or that all Causcasians are American.
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Japanese Generalizations on Americans (that I've heard or come across personally):
- FAT (all caps intended to emphasize the frequency of this generalization) - White, and sometimes Black - All have guns - Love and/or support the current idiot in Office - Unaware of cultures/countries/histories outside that of the U.S. - Mono-lingual - Loud - Aggressive - Overly complaining - Open-hearted - Generous - Risk Taking (in a good way) |
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Originally Posted by Shibuyaexpat
the irony there is delicious! |
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I used to think most Americans are obnoxious, crazy, and talkative.
I remember it surprised me that there were some shy people here. I never imagined an American to be as shy as most Japanese. My parents in Japan still think all Americans got guns on streets. |
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Originally Posted by studyonline
I think the inverse of this also applies in Japan. I used to think that most Japanese are quiet and shy, but after having spent time in Japan, I found many instances to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by Shibuyaexpat
Big
on the first two. hahahahaha.Mono-lingual I have heard from many other countries. The fact of the matter is that, yes, the majority of american's don't speak another language. And it's a very easy explanation why. If we look at Europe, a given country is surrounded by three or four other countries that may - but probably not - speak a different language. In some cases, you only have to drive 6 hours or so to find yourself in a new country and a new language - sometimes even less time. But the US has a much bigger land mass. If we drive north to our friendly neighbor Canada we can still speak English there. Sure some of the populace speaks French as well, but in the territories that do (correct me if I'm wrong) both English and French are considered official languages. If we head south, we go into Latin America and the Caribbean. The main language there is Spanish - and yes we have many people who can speak spanish in the southern states that border these regions. However, the rest of the United States doesn't have a necessity to learn other languages. ALSO, and I think more importantly, less than 23% of American's have passports!! (Rep. Barbara Lee D-Calif., 06/23/05, http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=44946) Which means of course that less than 23% of our population can actually go abroad to other countries - the only country we can travel too without a passport is Canada, and I explained that earlier. I think that here lies the generalization about mono-lingual Americans. Those that do travel abroad make the effort to learn the language of the country they are visiting. Or if they visit many countries and can't become fluent in each language, they at least try to learn phrases and etiquette. Therefore, without the necessity to learn another language nor the incentive to learn for travel purposes there is sufficient explanation to satisfy the generalization of mono-lingual Americans. And sadly....the generalization isn't far from the truth. Last edited by lonesoullost3; Jul 7, 2005 at 23:59. |
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Christian...
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When I was still living in Japan, they kept telling me that Oregon was near Iowa...and they insisted that I had to drink coffee because I was an American....and that I must drink Amerikan cohee because it is a weak coffee and that I was American.
They still asked me for my blood type and what Chinese Astrological symbol I was born under...
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I think most of it has been said. The ones I hear most often are : fat, aggressive and own a gun.
It is also true that a very great number of Japanese automatically think that all white people are American. I has happened many times to me that people had had known for a while and who knew exactly where I was from still asked me (without thinking) "how do you do this in America ?" or similar questions that made it clear I was still an Amercian in their head. I remember someone who actually asked me 3 or 4 times in 2 years, and everytime I said that I didn't know as I was not American, but European. What I don't understand is that this person had been to the US and otherwise travelled quite a lot. So it's not a matter of ignorance, just the "wires that won't reconnect in their head", probably because they had associated white with American since the childhood. As for all American being white, it's a quite strange stereotype if you ask me. I would understand it for Europeans, Argentinians, Chileans or Australians, but not for the US, as only 77% of US citizens are white. Another stereotype, that is also shareed by many Europeans I think, is that the biggest proportion of whites in the US are of British descent. This is false. Only 8.7% of US citizens claim English ancestry and 1.7% Scottish. I had a look at the utterly fascinating Demographics of the United States on Wikipedia, and was amazed to see that the largest number of ancestry claimed in total were for the Germans (15.2%), then Irish (10.2%), then African American (8.8%). But more incredible is when we look at the ancestry with largest population per state or county. German ancestry is the highest in 23 states, and all big (though usually sparsely populated) ones. Would you believe that Italians are the majority in 4 states (NY, NJ, Connecticut and Rhode Island if I can see well on the map). Irish in 3 (Massachussets, New Hampshire and Delaware). Maybe it is less surprising that African American are the majority in 8 (southern) states (from Maryland to Louisiana) and Mexican in 4 (California, Arizona, the aptly named New Mexico, and Texas). That leaves us with only 3 states with English as the largest ancestry : Maine, Vermont (French come second in both states) and Utah (why Utah ?). Another common stereotypes shared by Europeans is that Americans are Christian. This appears to be true. In 1990, 88.3% of the Americans were Christian (about 1/3 Catholic and 2/3 Protestant). I was pleasantly surprised to see that it fell a bit to 79.8% in 2001, and that the number of Atheist/Agnostics increased from 8.4% to 15%. Atheist/Agnostics are now the 3rd largest "religious" group after Catholics and Baptists. In 2001 all non-Christian religions (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) accounted only for 5.2% of the US population (I didn't see "Jedi Knight" in the stats, although this is officially the 4th largest religious group in the UK, claiming 390,000 followers ).So 77% of Americans are white and 80% are Christian, and the percentage of both are decreasing every year. So there is a ground for stereotypes, but also a big margin of error.
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Originally Posted by lonesoullost3
Wow this is really amazing! Along this line, I wonder how many Americans have traveled outside their States? I thought I read somewhere that over half of high school grads can't find a specific State on the U.S. map. Sad.
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well, i have to admit to having similar stereotypes of american citizens
i think many people have guns many people are obese and many people are Christian...and i believe they are true and certainly compared with my country the first two statements are true regarding to being asked if i was american in japan of course i was but not half as many times as i was asked in europe if i were english but i dont take any offence and dont see any reason too regarding jedi knights...i believe there are also many in new zealnd but for some reason they werent included in the official count
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most americans cant distinguish japanese and chinese oriental..they cant tell such as music.. i think americans are sarcastic,over confident,egoistic and sometimes arrogant people,very impusive and greedy..womenizers with less or no sexual restraint..the first thing that usually comes to my mind when i see an american in my country is... "pervert" yes and thats something new for you..when in japan..the first place they would go probrably to a bar and a prostitution center...they wont leave japan without being there first..seen them a lot in bangkok too..white caucassions...
ah and yes americans do have guns in most of every homes..legalizing selling of arms.. they love guns.. used to read "soldier of fortune"..this megazine encourages to buy guns to hunt down and shoot illegal immigrants near the mexican border.. |
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Originally Posted by Warlock
Ummmmmmm.................I'm going to say this to you.
You know absolutly nothing. Okay darling, so take these pointless, ignorant generalizations and shove it. I'm not one to b****, but people like you make me want to. And by the way, I can distinguish a Chinese and Japanese person, espcially from their language, because I stuided Japanese (is that new for you darling, that an American studies another language?) I go to school with many ethinicities and therefore I have gained some knowladge. Have you gained any knowledge darling about other cultures, or are you blinded by idiotic stereotypes?
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sorry dear !but THATS not convincing at all..what about the rest dear...ever read "soldier of fortune"...
im happy for your common sense to distinguish chinese and japanese oriental.. ah yes i can also speak japanese too..kimi wa baka mono |
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Originally Posted by Warlock
What do you mean the "rest?" So to you all Americans are white? All Americans own guns, all of us are perverted? You can't clump us all together like that, besides judging from your previous post your just as ignorant as the Americans who know nothing about your culture.
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the fact is you caucassions are not american and so are the blacks and latins.. the true americans are the aztechs,mayans and red indians.. you are illegal immigrants from europe and slaves brought to america to constructs its illegal stronghold.. im tired of your old story of declaring yourselves americans make me bored and annoyed..
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Originally Posted by Warlock
Personal attacks don't fly here.
I personally do not know anyone that owns a gun. Also, I've run into the "100% of Americans are Bush supporters" misconception more times than I'd like to remember .
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Heimin
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maybe we should raid their homes like how the US occupation forces raid homes of iraqis...................do watcha like...
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I see that Warlock is from Malaysia, but there is little else on the public profile, like age or gender. I would like to think his (an assumption) comments are the product of youthful ethnocentrism and not real world experience.
I would argue against most of the original stereotypes we started with in this thread, but I actually fit many of them. (Burrrrrrrp.) Gots to go clean the guns....
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Originally Posted by Warlock
Instead of dragging the quality of debate here down with all of your red herrings and strawman fallacies, please take some time to learn how to argue/debate. Here is an excellent website:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html Come back when you've read it. |
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Chukchi Salmon
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Just before my boarding a plane for the US, a relative of mine told me something scary; that US police offiicers would shoot if I moved just a little when stopped for a minor traffic violation. Hence I was told to sit straight without the slightest move unless I was ready to die for nothing.
I was not the perfect driver, and wasn't familiar with the conventions there although I had studied the drivers' booklet. Once I didn't notice an ambulance behind me because I had the stereo on rather loud; which forced the ambulance to drive around my car while I stayed on my lane. A patrol car saw this and stopped me only after many concerted efforts; I was really slow in responding. Once I pulled over, the officer approached me and asked for my driver's license. I moved really slow not to surprise the patrol officer. Naturally he wondered why I was behaving with such caution, and I could only answer, "I...I don't want to get killed, Officer !" Hahaha... |
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Originally Posted by cicatriz esp
Oh haven't we all darling, haven't we all.
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