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Johansson
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Neuroscience studies the practice of Buddhist meditation.
This is a long read. The research began, when neuroscientists found that the brain was plastic. It was malleable, even past the age of physical growth. Neuro-connections could be strengthened, new connections made, and even new tissues grown. The scientists then wondered, if the Buddhist practice of meditation would have a real impact on the brain, and the early research indicates meditations have a very positive impact on the brain, and well-being.
Excerpts taken from Daniel Goleman's book, Destructive Emotions: And How We Can Overcome Them.
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Chukchi Salmon
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Thank you Revenant. I enjoyed the reading very much. What a lifter ! I remember a song by a jazz singer;
"the greatest thing of all is to love and be loved in return." I think devotion to an inanimate object or activity is also very pacifying in the deep concentration. I was invited to a musician's place who gave all the quests one percussion instrument. Everybody started improvising, and the net effect was so very much healing; every beat of the gongs, the drum, and the bells together accompanied by his two-flutes was like deep therapy. I've known very few musicians, but they seem to have a certain childlike, uninhibited spontaneity that is quite healthy and healing. Perhaps that would be different from the Tibetan meditation, but I wonder that there might be a common chord because it was very peaceful and lively; it's hard to express in words becuase it was totally out of the ordinary day-to-day experience I am familiar with. Last edited by lexico; Aug 8, 2005 at 06:08. |
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Kami-sama
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A very nice read Revenant, and one that actually one just can't read, but must meditate on itself. I am also fascinated by this subject--the operation on the brain--and all the little things that can make it what it is. I have done meditation and yoga in the past, and have felt things 'move', so to speak. Happiness is really important (another whole field of study) and one key seems to be doing good things for others.
As far as I have looked into the subject of the brain (and that's not so far) I think the Limbric system is more largely responsible for emotion, but the hormones and their ability to be recepted (recepters play a big role, it seems) also have some impact. It's nice to see Lexico here. |
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Chukchi Salmon
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Originally Posted by Mars Man
Hi, Mars Man !
That is exactly how I felt ! I had only read this article; but it made me imagine the meditative states, the internal motions of the zen master (and those of the scientists curious to find out what made him tick); that itself was figuratively liberating and restful. I agree with your idea about helping others; and sometimes helping oneself when there was some serious self-neglect. There seems to be more than one identity or more than one level or layer of the self that is not fully revealed to us. Knowing those layers with greater certainty and detail would be great -- to be in touch with one's self (selves) was the Socratic lesson, cryptic as it may seem. |
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Interesting, indeed
Originally Posted by Mars Man
Don`t remember where i`ve read? i think Jung: first you feel blood pomping into your face then you realize that you are angry... but all the chemical changes in your blood occured and you have to eal with both - raving mind and burning body
![]() But aren`t some formations of Limbic system partly connected with cortex? Feelings usually being put on a level above emotions. So, if there is connection with the cortex then emotions can be governed? And strong feeling of love and caring can prevail? Sorry, i am not clear, not much into the subject
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Johansson
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The findings on meditation are very promising, and make a whole lot of sense. In another study, a group that had never meditated was to meditate once a day for one hour was set against a control group of people who had also never meditated, and weren't to meditate. As in the article, the ratio of left to right activity in the brain indicated the general level of happiness, and this is the ratio the brain will return to after say, a lottery winning, or the death of a family member.
Those who meditated once a day for one hour for two months, all showed a higher ratio of beneficial emotions, and a lower amount of the detrimental emotions. The control group generally showed no change in ratio. I am not well versed in the neurosciences, but from personal observation, I would say that the ability to change and maintain focus would make it possible to have some determination in the emotions one feels. I have focused on the idea of gratitude, and maintained that focus long enough to really feel that emotion. |
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Kami-sama
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Hi there lexico, my man (I hope I'm not being too presumptious in using that; if so, please do forgive me.) I think I can really hear where you're coming from there. Thanks for the consideration !!
I have not read so much of Jung, void,only his book on Memories, Dreams, and somthing. . . I think he did have a fair amount to add to the Freudian base, but at that time, the both of them were missing a whole lot of brain stuff that came out in the 90's (called the decade of the brain). Parts of their explanations no longer hold up. (.Dreaming Reality-How Dreaming Can Keep Us Sane, or Can Drive Us Mad; by Joe Griffin and Ivan Tyrell is a good read which covers some of that) I appreciate your comments there; if you have any other points, please turn me on to them ! If I may share what I have found out (without running ovefr to the book room), the lymbric system is said to consist of the amygdala, basal ganglia, hypothalamus, and the hippocampus. Associations are in the cortex and there would have to be connections within the whole organ, I would think. I'll look into that. But I do have one article that I will dig out later ( my filing system is REAL behind) on the discovery and theory of the role some certain cell types play in emotion building which are located in the pre-frontal cortex. And of course you do have things like serotonin, phenylethylamine (PEA), progesterone, vasopressin, dopamine, oxytocin, and others. To whatever degree the higher cognitive functions can surely control snyaptic receptors and inhibitors, I would think--kind the same as the placebo effect. But I'd love to do more research here too. I agree with what you seem to be hitting at Revenant with the idea of drawing up emotions; it seems to be very much the case. (for that reason, to keep the love alive, couples have to revisit those old restaurants, listen to those old songs of the dating years, etc.) Now these science mags I get and all these books, have not gone too much into the paranormal (which could evidence a bias in the science world--I'm against 'scientism') or the measuring of the brain through fMRI, so I would appreciate any good tips on information sources in that area. Thanks for listening. |
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Johansson
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Originally Posted by Mars Man
There is a bit here on brain imaging. It's even got a few videos of the fMRI in action. http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/emotion/
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Kami-sama
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Thank you very much Revenant for that link.
I checked it out and liked what I saw. I know that I'm late getting back to this subject, and I hope that all who drop in will forgive me for my slackness; I have been a bit busy in other areas. I have that article I had mentioned earlier, and post that within the next day or two. Please bear with me.
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Johansson
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Found this posted at another forum, thought it was fascinating myself.
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiol..._medidate.html
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wishing for a girlfriend
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Very interesting. I hope this pans out for the researchers and patients.
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LovePeaceHappiness
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I am late to this discussion, but find it very pertinent and interesting. On the large scale, how many "religions" in the history of the world focused on the "self", the study of one's own image, perception, and being?
I am suggesting names like... Bhuddism and Taoism and Jainism... possibly Hinduism. An even larger discussion might be... did any culture, past or present, believe in "knowledge" as the focus of religion? For example... Christianity... belief in Christ and living one's life in a loving, giving way... that is my opinion of the foundation of Christianity. Christianity was never focused on knowledge of one's "self". Knowledge of the Bible and the Life of Christ, and the Gospels is important, but knowledge of the sciences and even health sciences was not important to Christianity, of which I am a member. On the same note, I don't believe "prayer"of the Western religions is the same as "meditation" of the Eastern religions, though I could be wrong. I hope more forum members contribute their ideas to this interesting topic. Thank you. |
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idio(T)syncratic
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knowledge on science may seem unimportant to xtianity 'cause the religion remains to be conservative despite the changes it has undergone through the years.. i don't know anything much about neuroscience and i practically forgot my anatomy-physiology but concentrating on positive thoughts and compassion does has something to do with preventing depression. according to beck, pessimistic view of the world and negative views of the self are some of its causes.
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Kami-sama
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OH NO !!!! Here's one that I left hanging !! OK...so I didn't make in a day or two, or.....four months....I'm really, really sorry Revenant, my brother in deep discussion !! I'll do my best to make it up to you.
I'M SORRY !!!!
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Johansson
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Glad to have you in the thread again Mars Man. It would be great if you had any other neuroscience tidbits to give away.
Anyways, meditation has made it's way into a lot of magazines. It has been in Times magazine twice, both in the 'Happiness' issue and the 'How to sharpen the mind' issue. I have been listening to a lot of Buddhist podcasts, and am starting to get a much better idea of Buddhism and the reasons and how they incorporate Buddhism. If I ever get the chance, I am going to go on a meditation retreat somewhere, but have yet to decide which traditions meditations I want to get into. I do want to keep it simple, but become proficient at a few meditations. It seems if one got into a lot of traditions one's efforts would be fragmented. |
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Kami-sama
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Thank you ever so much Revenant chan !! You do have such a big heart, ready to forgive, and take a lot before showing the discomfort !!
Wow, so you've read both of those articles too, huh? I have been subscribed to TIME for two years now, along with SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, NEWSCIENTIST, and SCIENCE. With SCIENCE, there is a membership as well, and I can get a lot of extra info on line from AAAS too--the only drawback, actually, is that a fair amount of it is actually over my head, 'cause I just don't have the background in much of it. I do put out the effort to look things up, ask questions when I don't understand. (and have the time to do so...TIME, another weak point for me) So, so far I happy with it. Yes, I did have some info pulled out from my files, (I file everything useful) and ready to post, but somehow got sidetracked, and wow...then suddenly that long forgotten post popped up in front of me. THANK YOU !! Yes, I have some friends here that do do some meditating, & it seems to me too, that simple is best. I did do the nyamyohorengekyo...(if that's right, stuff once, but didn'T stick with it) Good luck to you !!
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LovePeaceHappiness
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As I mentioned on another website, in addition to the Hitachi research that is being done in this area....I just saw on C-Span 2, another American company developing "brain wave" products for the paralyzed...
Cyberkinetics Neurotechnology Systems, Inc http://www.cyberkineticsinc.com/content/index.jsp "BRAINGATE SYSTEM NAMED ONE OF "BIGGEST DISCOVERIES OF 2005" WIRED News' author, Leander Kahney, described the first BrainGate clinical trial volunteer, Matthew Nagle, as the "first neuro-cybernaut...the first paralyzed person to control an artificial hand by brain power alone." I bet this product could work with meditation studies, and be a help for Alzheimer's patients too, I imagine. |
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Kami-sama
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Originally Posted by EdZiomek
As far as I have seen it, yes, the concept of prayer in the Abrahamic 'faith-based' religions is different from that of the older great Eastern religions. They are directing, towards a 'person concept', requests for action, prases of admiration, and offerings of thanks. It does seem to be much more of communication than pure meditation.
I would like to point out a lot of tid-bits of information about the brain, neurology, and some interesting case histories, if that's o.k. with you Revenant. I'll wait for your reply. Catch you later !!
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Buddha learned his meditation from Hindus in India...
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Johansson
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I wish I had a particular article to post, but this was simply mentioned in a Science magazine article. Meditation proved to be just as refreshing for a sleepy person as a cup of coffee. I would completely agree, based completely on my own experience. I go through times when I get very little sleep (just can't fall asleep for some reason), and the next day can have me feeling horribly tired. I often on these kinds of days meditate on my breath during the five minute break, and I actually do feel refreshed. Just a tidbit to add to this thread.
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Johansson
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