Working Question

guff · Sep 7, 2005, 17:10

I am sorry if this has been posted before, I am new so unfortunatly haven't had enough time to scour the forums. I am a graduate of Certificate IV in TESOL and have had expierence etaching study tours. I know it's a requirement by most schools that you need a degree. Is it possible to find work as an English Teacher in Japan without a degree? If I approach them and they can see I can speak english well, might they reconisider? I was just wondering if you are still able to work some way or another teaching English in a school or tutoring or some other way without a degree.

Thank you for reading my post and appreciate the replies

mr.sumo.snr · Sep 7, 2005, 18:09

I'm sure language schools would love to employ you, unfortunately the Japanese government sets the bar at three or four year college degree level. And even with those requirements the schools are swamped with applications. It's a buyers' market I'm afraid.

We repeat the same message many times in this forum: having a college degree will enable you to live and work in Japan for as long as you like, without getting married, without having to work illegally, and without getting into debt (at least not in Japan!). The same cannot be said about any other major industrialized nation I can think of.

mdchachi · Sep 11, 2005, 11:59

You need more than a college degree. You need a job offer too.

**Dutch Baka** · Sep 13, 2005, 06:50

for working in japan on a work visa, degrees are important.. BUT.. there are schools * most of them small ones* that could hire you, even you dont have a degree...

you are an ozie and ozie's can get a Working holiday visa to japan.. why dont you do that for a year.. save money...and look around for jobs, even it is a small company you can get your expierence, and maybe go to bigger schools. they dont need to sponser you in the beginning, because you have a WH visa, but if they like you, maybe they can sponser you, and you could stay.

there are always ways... i just dont say it is easy.

budd · Sep 14, 2005, 05:34

"BUT.. there are schools * most of them small ones* that could hire you, even you dont have a degree..."

sometimes they scandalous though
even one time be enough for me

duff_o_josh · Sep 14, 2005, 13:40

the one i work for is definitely shady. you can get a job even without tesol. it make take a long time but its possible. you also would have to already be in japan for that to happen. as for a visa without a degree, if you have three years teaching experience and are over the age of 23 you can get one, maybe... it is possible.

Index · Sep 14, 2005, 13:53

As dutch baka pointed out, you can get to Japan on a working holiday visa if you are Australian. A friend of mine without a degree did just that and found a teaching job with a small school. Obviously the pay was lower than for someone who had a degree, but the point is that it is quite possible to get employed this way. The school he worked for seemed honest and reputable too. A TESOL certificate is hardly required; though some places say they prefer if you have one, this is rare and I have never heard of it being a pre-requisite.

**Dutch Baka** · Sep 16, 2005, 23:17

the minimum salary is around 220.000 isnt? is this also with the small schools then? i worked in japan for a week with a 2.600 an hour.. * i was happy hahaha*

guff where are you? you post one time, but never come back

NovaTeacher · Sep 28, 2005, 10:04

Guff,
Make sure you do a lot of research before you come to Japan.
Things are expensive and time flies once you're are here.

Guff? you there?
Write another message and let everyone know you appreciate their help.

Ewok85 · Sep 28, 2005, 18:25

I've seen wages as low as 150,000 for people working part-time. Full time would be about 22 though.

**Dutch Baka** · Oct 1, 2005, 18:53

getting 150,000 for working part-time is not a shity salary if you ask me!!!! how is it in japan when you have 2 jobs? will there go off extra tax with the second job?

pipokun · Oct 1, 2005, 19:02

Originally Posted by dutch baka

getting 150,000 for working part-time is not a shity salary if you ask me!!!! how is it in japan when you have 2 jobs? will there go off extra tax with the second job?

it depends.

1,500,000 for your second job, the tax rate would go extremely high.
but 150,000 for it, the rate is the same as 10% for your income tax.

**Dutch Baka** · Oct 1, 2005, 19:51

Thanks Pipokun

Sep 7, 2005, 17:10	#1
guff Junior Member Join Date: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 1	Working Question I am sorry if this has been posted before, I am new so unfortunatly haven't had enough time to scour the forums. I am a graduate of Certificate IV in TESOL and have had expierence etaching study tours. I know it's a requirement by most schools that you need a degree. Is it possible to find work as an English Teacher in Japan without a degree? If I approach them and they can see I can speak english well, might they reconisider? I was just wondering if you are still able to work some way or another teaching English in a school or tutoring or some other way without a degree. Thank you for reading my post and appreciate the replies

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duff_o_josh okonomiyaki=bliss Join Date: Apr 2, 2004 Location: British Columbia Age: 25 Posts: 277	the one i work for is definitely shady. you can get a job even without tesol. it make take a long time but its possible. you also would have to already be in japan for that to happen. as for a visa without a degree, if you have three years teaching experience and are over the age of 23 you can get one, maybe... it is possible. __________________ ooo~

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Sep 7, 2005, 18:09	#2
mr.sumo.snr Gavin Gives Italian Ducks Join Date: Jul 19, 2004 Location: Iida CIty, Nagano Age: 43 Posts: 320	I'm sure language schools would love to employ you, unfortunately the Japanese government sets the bar at three or four year college degree level. And even with those requirements the schools are swamped with applications. It's a buyers' market I'm afraid. We repeat the same message many times in this forum: having a college degree will enable you to live and work in Japan for as long as you like, without getting married, without having to work illegally, and without getting into debt (at least not in Japan!). The same cannot be said about any other major industrialized nation I can think of.

Sep 11, 2005, 11:59	#3
mdchachi Taicho Join Date: Mar 6, 2003 Location: USA (Detroit area) Posts: 687	You need more than a college degree. You need a job offer too.

Sep 14, 2005, 13:53	#7
Index 目録 Join Date: Feb 26, 2005 Posts: 541	As dutch baka pointed out, you can get to Japan on a working holiday visa if you are Australian. A friend of mine without a degree did just that and found a teaching job with a small school. Obviously the pay was lower than for someone who had a degree, but the point is that it is quite possible to get employed this way. The school he worked for seemed honest and reputable too. A TESOL certificate is hardly required; though some places say they prefer if you have one, this is rare and I have never heard of it being a pre-requisite.

Sep 16, 2005, 23:17	#8
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	the minimum salary is around 220.000 isnt? is this also with the small schools then? i worked in japan for a week with a 2.600 an hour.. * i was happy hahaha* guff where are you? you post one time, but never come back

Sep 28, 2005, 18:25	#10
Ewok85 Cute and Furry Join Date: Nov 14, 2003 Location: Saitama/Tokyo Age: 24 Posts: 2,343	I've seen wages as low as 150,000 for people working part-time. Full time would be about 22 though.

Oct 1, 2005, 18:53	#11
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	getting 150,000 for working part-time is not a shity salary if you ask me!!!! how is it in japan when you have 2 jobs? will there go off extra tax with the second job?

Oct 1, 2005, 19:02	#12
pipokun Regular Member Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Posts: 2,499	Originally Posted by dutch baka getting 150,000 for working part-time is not a shity salary if you ask me!!!! how is it in japan when you have 2 jobs? will there go off extra tax with the second job? it depends. 1,500,000 for your second job, the tax rate would go extremely high. but 150,000 for it, the rate is the same as 10% for your income tax.

Oct 1, 2005, 19:51	#13
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	Thanks Pipokun

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