Joyo Poster?

E-Arkham · Sep 23, 2005, 00:33

You know what I think might be a nice reference? A wall poster with all 1945 Joyo kanji, their main meaning in English, and both くんよみ and おんよみ. Perhaps the most common meaning and most common readings only, since even at wall size space might be tight. Or even limit it to the 1000 most common kanji.

Something like this on my office wall would be extremely handy. I tried google, eBay, etc. Anyone know if anyone makes these? Closest I can find are Japanese school kanji, arranged by grade per kanji and selling for a whopping $12 a piece (ouch)... Nevermind the fact that I don't have enough wall space for that many posters.

Kep

dc_johnson45 · Sep 23, 2005, 06:48

Originally Posted by E-Arkham

You know what I think might be a nice reference? A wall poster with all 1945 Joyo kanji, their main meaning in English, and both くんよみ and おんよみ. Perhaps the most common meaning and most common readings only, since even at wall size space might be tight. Or even limit it to the 1000 most common kanji.

Something like this on my office wall would be extremely handy. I tried google, eBay, etc. Anyone know if anyone makes these? Closest I can find are Japanese school kanji, arranged by grade per kanji and selling for a whopping $12 a piece (ouch)... Nevermind the fact that I don't have enough wall space for that many posters.

Kep

How the heck would you fit all that on a poster?!? Why not just buy the grade level posters (skip grade one) & just replace them as you learn them? Besides, it wouldn't be a great learning tool.... rather overwhelming I would think. And how would you find a particular kanji?

I don't mean to be overly critical, but there is probably a reason that no one makes one

E-Arkham · Sep 23, 2005, 07:19

Flooding myself with information is one of the best ways that I learn. I didn't even consider that it probably doesn't work for others. <g>

The idea is that as I walk into or out of the room, I glance at the poster, pick a handful and "replay" them in my head over and over as I refresh my tea, eat, read the newspaper, fiddle with projects in the workshop, etc, etc.

All of them could easily fit on a poster... the size constraint is mostly based on balancing how large each is/how easy to read at a distance.

Ah well. I'll probably just make my own anyway (maybe not poster sized, but many regular sheets, heh). That might be for the best since I'd have to review all of them as I print them out.

Kep

Gaijinian · Sep 23, 2005, 08:20

That'd be a big poster...

**lexico** · Sep 23, 2005, 15:42

Here's a touyou kanji jitai hyou and touyou kanji hyou. It also has the 常用, 教育, 人名, and comparison chart. I believe you can also download the big charts, too.

**epigene** · Sep 24, 2005, 00:00

Hope this one helps:

常用漢字表

Gaijinian · Sep 24, 2005, 06:20

This is random, but 常用漢字表 is fun to say.

E-Arkham · Sep 25, 2005, 00:44

I think those links will be quite helpful. ありがとうございます！

Kep

NovaTeacher · Sep 29, 2005, 07:29

I agree, if you don't have something grabbing your attention (like on your wall), it's easy to forget to study for days or weeks.

I have a chart on my wall which graphs my results for kanji tests.
This motivates me to test myself on new kanji, better my average score and most importantly just to continue the line on the graph.

ishnar · Oct 3, 2005, 19:46

try http://www.jbox.com/STUDYAIDS/

The very first item sounds like what you want.

Ishnar

E-Arkham · Oct 4, 2005, 03:18

Yeah, wow, that's perfect! ありがとう！

Kep

Vortex · Jan 16, 2009, 16:45

There's also this kanji poster with all 1945 joyo kanji at the website for White Rabbit Press. It looks big but really nice! And it has the ON and KUN readings too.

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 01:14

常用漢字表

Joyo Kanji omote? Or is it Joyo Kanji Hyo? I've also seen Joyo Kanji spelt

Somehow I can't find the actual character Kanji for them on Wikipedia.
Well never mind I found it; 要 I had to search yō...and the definition on Wiki is not close to the one given in my book. (book: main point, wiki: need)

**Mycernius** · Jan 17, 2009, 02:17

I've got that book as well. I have two really because I thought I lost one. I should really sort out my bookshelves.

nekojita · Jan 17, 2009, 02:32

Originally Posted by xtremevillan

要 I had to search yō...and the definition on Wiki is not close to the one given in my book. (book: main point, wiki: need)

There's a good reason for that:
必要 = necessary, needed, essential
要る = to need
but also
要因 = main factor, main cause
主要 = chief/principal/major/main, etc.

In this case:
肝要 "essential, vital".
(and sure enough, the English title of that book is "Essential Kanji")

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 05:16

If I may try to name them:
必要 = hitsuyo
要る = yosuru
I didn't learn the second kanji in your third example
主要 = shuyo?

Hm.

nekojita · Jan 17, 2009, 07:21

要る = iru (you're thinking perhaps of 要する)
要因 = youin

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 08:22

Ah, thanks very much. I was indeed thinking of that.

Toritoribe · Jan 17, 2009, 12:09

It already announced that 文化審議会[ぶんかしんぎかい: Council for Cultural Affairs] will reform 常用漢字[じょうようかんじ] next year, a tentative plan now - add 191 characters, delete 5.
So, New 常用漢字 will be 2131...

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 12:27

Oh god damn it!

**Glenn** · Jan 17, 2009, 12:35

Originally Posted by Toritoribe

It already announced that 文化審議会[ぶんかしんぎかい: Council for Cultural Affairs] will reform 常用漢字[じょうようかんじ] next year, a tentative plan now - add 191 characters, delete 5.
So, New 常用漢字 will be 2131...

Right on. They could probably do with adding more, too, if you ask me.

By the way, 要 can also be read かなめ, and means the main part or something along those lines.

例：空軍力がその国の軍事政策の要となっている。
れい：くうぐんりょくが　その　くにの　ぐんじせいさくの　かなめと　なっている。
Example: The focal point of that country's military policy is air force power. (must be Israel...)

Also, xtremevillan, I strongly urge you to make it a point to get the vowels right -- 必要 is hitsuyou/hitsuyô, 要する is yousuru/yôsuru, 主要 is shuyou/shuyô, etc.

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 12:40

I never did get those, with the extra vowels. I'll try to do that but it just looks weird...plus I always pronounce it wrong, I pronounce Mei as me and then an I, not a continuation of an e...but that's my error, lol.

Also come on! We already have to memorize 2000...now it's 2150!

**Glenn** · Jan 17, 2009, 12:51

I'm already at or beyond that anyway, so it doesn't bother me. Granted, I'm not going to claim that I've completely mastered them all (or any of them, really), but seeing things like 台頭 and wondering what the hell that's supposed to mean, finding out, and then wondering why the hell it's written that way is confusing, especially when it could have just been written 擡頭, like it was intended to be, and all I would have had to do was learn one more character with a meaning that makes sense in the compound. I'd also prefer 繁盛 to be written 繁昌, because it just makes more sense that way to me, if not from a meaning standpoint, then at least from a reading standpoint. I get the impression that these aren't isolated incidents because I remember running across a few other words like them, I just can't think of them atm. But perhaps I'm a bit biased.

Putrefaction · Jan 17, 2009, 12:53

I see dai, meaning a stand. The rest, I have no clue, except for the two suns meaning risk? (thank you RTK lol, from the ones that I did look at)

**Glenn** · Jan 17, 2009, 13:00

No, the two suns was "prosperous;" "risk" is eyes looking up at the sun: 冒.

Sep 23, 2005, 00:33	#1
E-Arkham Necromancer Join Date: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 22	Joyo Poster? You know what I think might be a nice reference? A wall poster with all 1945 Joyo kanji, their main meaning in English, and both くんよみ and おんよみ. Perhaps the most common meaning and most common readings only, since even at wall size space might be tight. Or even limit it to the 1000 most common kanji. Something like this on my office wall would be extremely handy. I tried google, eBay, etc. Anyone know if anyone makes these? Closest I can find are Japanese school kanji, arranged by grade per kanji and selling for a whopping $12 a piece (ouch)... Nevermind the fact that I don't have enough wall space for that many posters. Kep

Sep 23, 2005, 06:48	#2
dc_johnson45 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 1, 2005 Posts: 47	Originally Posted by E-Arkham You know what I think might be a nice reference? A wall poster with all 1945 Joyo kanji, their main meaning in English, and both くんよみ and おんよみ. Perhaps the most common meaning and most common readings only, since even at wall size space might be tight. Or even limit it to the 1000 most common kanji. Something like this on my office wall would be extremely handy. I tried google, eBay, etc. Anyone know if anyone makes these? Closest I can find are Japanese school kanji, arranged by grade per kanji and selling for a whopping $12 a piece (ouch)... Nevermind the fact that I don't have enough wall space for that many posters. Kep How the heck would you fit all that on a poster?!? Why not just buy the grade level posters (skip grade one) & just replace them as you learn them? Besides, it wouldn't be a great learning tool.... rather overwhelming I would think. And how would you find a particular kanji? I don't mean to be overly critical, but there is probably a reason that no one makes one

Sep 23, 2005, 08:20	#4
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	That'd be a big poster... __________________ これからも絶対頑張る～

Sep 24, 2005, 00:00	#6
epigene 不束者です Join Date: Nov 10, 2004 Location: 都下 Posts: 3,500 Blog Entries: 22	Hope this one helps: 常用漢字表 __________________ ✄ฺ--------- ｷ ---- ﾘ ---- ﾄ ---- ﾚ ---- ﾏ ---- ｾ ---- ﾝ --------

Sep 29, 2005, 07:29	#9
NovaTeacher Not Given Up Yet Join Date: Sep 28, 2005 Location: On a fold up chair Posts: 26	Study Methods and Techniques I agree, if you don't have something grabbing your attention (like on your wall), it's easy to forget to study for days or weeks. I have a chart on my wall which graphs my results for kanji tests. This motivates me to test myself on new kanji, better my average score and most importantly just to continue the line on the graph. __________________ I'm making a website about Nova. Please email me with any suggestions or contributions. http://au.geocities.com/japannovateachers/

Sep 23, 2005, 07:19	#3
E-Arkham Necromancer Join Date: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 22	Flooding myself with information is one of the best ways that I learn. I didn't even consider that it probably doesn't work for others. <g> The idea is that as I walk into or out of the room, I glance at the poster, pick a handful and "replay" them in my head over and over as I refresh my tea, eat, read the newspaper, fiddle with projects in the workshop, etc, etc. All of them could easily fit on a poster... the size constraint is mostly based on balancing how large each is/how easy to read at a distance. Ah well. I'll probably just make my own anyway (maybe not poster sized, but many regular sheets, heh). That might be for the best since I'd have to review all of them as I print them out. Kep

Sep 23, 2005, 15:42	#5
lexico Chukchi Salmon Join Date: Dec 22, 2004 Location: Sunny South Korea Posts: 2,223	Here's a touyou kanji jitai hyou and touyou kanji hyou. It also has the 常用, 教育, 人名, and comparison chart. I believe you can also download the big charts, too.

Sep 24, 2005, 06:20	#7
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	This is random, but 常用漢字表 is fun to say.

Sep 25, 2005, 00:44	#8
E-Arkham Necromancer Join Date: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 22	I think those links will be quite helpful. ありがとうございます！ Kep

Oct 3, 2005, 19:46	#10
ishnar Junior Member Join Date: Oct 3, 2005 Posts: 12	try http://www.jbox.com/STUDYAIDS/ The very first item sounds like what you want. Ishnar

Oct 4, 2005, 03:18	#11
E-Arkham Necromancer Join Date: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 22	Yeah, wow, that's perfect! ありがとう！ Kep

Jan 16, 2009, 16:45	#12
Vortex Registered User Join Date: Jan 16, 2009 Posts: 1	There's also this kanji poster with all 1945 joyo kanji at the website for White Rabbit Press. It looks big but really nice! And it has the ON and KUN readings too.

Jan 17, 2009, 01:14	#13
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	常用漢字表 Joyo Kanji omote? Or is it Joyo Kanji Hyo? I've also seen Joyo Kanji spelt Somehow I can't find the actual character Kanji for them on Wikipedia. Well never mind I found it; 要 I had to search yō...and the definition on Wiki is not close to the one given in my book. (book: main point, wiki: need)

Jan 17, 2009, 02:17	#14
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,229 Blog Entries: 2	I've got that book as well. I have two really because I thought I lost one. I should really sort out my bookshelves. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

Jan 17, 2009, 02:32	#15
nekojita Regular Member Join Date: Jan 14, 2009 Posts: 55	Originally Posted by xtremevillan 要 I had to search yō...and the definition on Wiki is not close to the one given in my book. (book: main point, wiki: need) There's a good reason for that: 必要 = necessary, needed, essential 要る = to need but also 要因 = main factor, main cause 主要 = chief/principal/major/main, etc. In this case: 肝要 "essential, vital". (and sure enough, the English title of that book is "Essential Kanji") Last edited by nekojita; Jan 17, 2009 at 02:34. Reason: eta actual word used on the book cover

Jan 17, 2009, 05:16	#16
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	If I may try to name them: 必要 = hitsuyo 要る = yosuru I didn't learn the second kanji in your third example 主要 = shuyo? Hm.

Jan 17, 2009, 07:21	#17
nekojita Regular Member Join Date: Jan 14, 2009 Posts: 55	要る = iru (you're thinking perhaps of 要する) 要因 = youin

Jan 17, 2009, 08:22	#18
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	Ah, thanks very much. I was indeed thinking of that.

Jan 17, 2009, 12:09	#19
Toritoribe 松葉解禁 Join Date: Feb 22, 2008 Posts: 1,252	It already announced that 文化審議会[ぶんかしんぎかい: Council for Cultural Affairs] will reform 常用漢字[じょうようかんじ] next year, a tentative plan now - add 191 characters, delete 5. So, New 常用漢字 will be 2131...

Jan 17, 2009, 12:27	#20
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	Oh god damn it!

Jan 17, 2009, 12:35	#21
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Originally Posted by Toritoribe It already announced that 文化審議会[ぶんかしんぎかい: Council for Cultural Affairs] will reform 常用漢字[じょうようかんじ] next year, a tentative plan now - add 191 characters, delete 5. So, New 常用漢字 will be 2131... Right on. They could probably do with adding more, too, if you ask me. By the way, 要 can also be read かなめ, and means the main part or something along those lines. 例：空軍力がその国の軍事政策の要となっている。れい：くうぐんりょくが　その　くにの　ぐんじせいさくの　かなめと　なっている。 Example: The focal point of that country's military policy is air force power. (must be Israel...) Also, xtremevillan, I strongly urge you to make it a point to get the vowels right -- 必要 is hitsuyou/hitsuyô, 要する is yousuru/yôsuru, 主要 is shuyou/shuyô, etc. __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jan 17, 2009, 12:40	#22
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	I never did get those, with the extra vowels. I'll try to do that but it just looks weird...plus I always pronounce it wrong, I pronounce Mei as me and then an I, not a continuation of an e...but that's my error, lol. Also come on! We already have to memorize 2000...now it's 2150!

Jan 17, 2009, 12:51	#23
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	I'm already at or beyond that anyway, so it doesn't bother me. Granted, I'm not going to claim that I've completely mastered them all (or any of them, really), but seeing things like 台頭 and wondering what the hell that's supposed to mean, finding out, and then wondering why the hell it's written that way is confusing, especially when it could have just been written 擡頭, like it was intended to be, and all I would have had to do was learn one more character with a meaning that makes sense in the compound. I'd also prefer 繁盛 to be written 繁昌, because it just makes more sense that way to me, if not from a meaning standpoint, then at least from a reading standpoint. I get the impression that these aren't isolated incidents because I remember running across a few other words like them, I just can't think of them atm. But perhaps I'm a bit biased.

Jan 17, 2009, 12:53	#24
Putrefaction 不幸中の幸い. . . がない. Join Date: Nov 7, 2008 Location: NY Posts: 692	I see dai, meaning a stand. The rest, I have no clue, except for the two suns meaning risk? (thank you RTK lol, from the ones that I did look at)

Jan 17, 2009, 13:00	#25
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	No, the two suns was "prosperous;" "risk" is eyes looking up at the sun: 冒.

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